testing large Milkovic 2 stage oscillator Video 7

[LiamXaoh]

Get the output to drive the input. When that doesn't work take to it with a gas torch.  A few evenings in night school would convince most people this is a joke.

[RHEAD100]

@LiamXaoh It is obvious you have not seen my latest videos of this machine. this video is 2 years old.

Twent two and a half inch pounds of force runs the machine while it is putting out 360 inch pounds of work .

I'll bet , you are one of those people that miss quote the laws of the coservation of energy You can not creat energy from nothing is only (1/3) part of the law. Without the other 2/3s it is a miss quote.

[LiamXaoh]

@RHEAD100 - if your device puts out more energy than is input then logically you should be able to gear it to self run. In all those years you haven't done that. Now why is that? Simply put it uses more energy in than out. End of debate.

[krazeekooladam]

AWESOME!!!!!

[yv6eda]

Hello, what if you change the chains on the weigh for bars, with some kind of latch; in this way, the weigh will be up an inch or so on any cycle.

Sorry about my English...

Good job.

[shortyskaraoke]

It seems that those thin boards under the counter weight are flexing and bouncing around absorbing some of the energy. You may wanna try putting something solid with no give under there. Maybe a rubber mat. Also try putting a heavy spring under the counter weight. like a car spring. something to return the energy back to the swinging weight. Just a thought. ;-) Love the design. keep up the good work

[marcjtdc]

it's actually getting a lot of energy from the downward motion of the weight it's lifting.

[RHEAD100]

Could you go into a little more detail please because I do not see what you are saying.

And , did you watch my videos #3 & #4

[marcjtdc]

the weight is being lifted, yes, but when it is falling this energy is being transfered back to the pendulum. let's see this do something useful like spin a flywheel to turn a generator. interesting though!

[PhenixReviewz]

@RHEAD100 what he means is when the yellow weight goes back down, its weight gives the balance a little power ''boost'' to help it go left and right

[RHEAD100]

Thanks for commenting on my video.

BUT; From your comment, it is obvious that you did not watch my first three videos of this machine.

[marcjtdc]

i did. i admire your creativity and persistence. show us this doing a real task. get something done.  it reminds me of a seesaw.

[causevskinikola]

I need your opinion on my new video of spring oscilator.I thing that it shows over unity. Thanks Nikola.

[RHEAD100]

I watched both of yopur videos And left a coment.

Plus subscribed to your site to hopfully see more and exciting developments.

[svetievboris]

Hi Raymond,

I watched some of your videos and thought of sharing two ideas with you.

First of all, I was wondering if it's possible to use opposing magnets to keep the pendulum oscillating once it reaches the necessary swing acceleration. This way you wouldn't even need the "finger push" to keep it running once you build it's energy up.

[RHEAD100]

That is a posobilety.

Thanks for the input, Boris

[g11690102]

yes it is possible to power this with magnets and from a distance. not sure how far you can space them from each other than it can be measured in yards. i doubt it will run itself but it would require very little input . and yes this type of machine could assist in lifting large blocks, moving large blocks and most important cut the blocks. stop pushing the weight and start turning the wheel. the distance of 10 degrees is shorter at the center than it is at 4 feet away. timing is key too.

[eckyspondoolie]

@svetievboris Good reply I was thinking the same idea. LOL

Hinge the pendulum and make the bottom swing in an oval track with magnets all around thus pushing the pendulum always around this thin oval shape. with a set of strong magnes fixed in position doing all the work.

[waseatenbyagrue]

There is no mystery here. Yes, it seems easy to pick up the 80 pound weight, but that is because you have a counterweight. Imagine a teeter totter with equal weights. Same thing.

But there is no magic. When the 80 lb weight drops, the fall is dampened by the counterweight, so you cannot measure energy the same way you would if that weight was free-falling.

There is no energy gain here.

[datzfast]

suppose the weight hitting the board was stamping coins. it would be hard to argue that the flip of the fingertips could stamp a coin, but i think it could do it. so ,maybe it could be measured. or maybe youd like to place your hand under the weight and i will place mine on the pendulum and let him push it and we will see who's hand got the damage.

[waseatenbyagrue]

I think that you will find that while the push does not require much force, the force does have to be spread over a longer time. So this is equivalent to someone having a finger in a vice, and the other person turning the vice using a very large handle. Not much force required, but alot of pain caused. Same with your proposed experiment, but still no magic energy gain.

[Nabo00o]

You're right, there is not mystery here if you understand what is going on.

The secret of this system lies in the dynamics between the ongoing oscillation of the pendulum and the load.

But you can easily prove that the power exerted on the pendulum itself which is (F * D)/T is less then the repeatedly lifting of the opposite weight.

Do you really think that you could push 80 punds (36Kg) with only your fingers that many times without even feeling exhausted? P out versus P in is not equal.

[lookatthewholething]

I agree with you but probably to make it decisive, the system would have to be broken down into sections or formulas for each part of it. As far as I can see the angular momentum of the weight and the lever arm formulas should only be needed. If a ratcheting effect was used at the fulcrum and the right arm was longer then this could explain how they lifted the pyramid blocks. Just a thought. My wife tells me I'm wrong all the time so feel free.

[shubus]

Yah! Well no one has built a self-runner yet. No one can.

[Techstuf]

The BIG question is: "do you believe you are seeing a man input as much energy as is required to lift an 80LB weight to a height of 3 inches, twice. The answer seems obvious. Of course, there are numerous ways to increase efficiency via dynamic leverage.

TS

[vietarc]

It's obvious that this thing produce much more output than in. I can give you the max force when the pendulum hit 90 degree. I assumeed that the length of the pendulum radius is 2 m or 6 feet. I say the pendulum potential is 4.4ft . mgh=1/2mv^2 when it hit 90, so speed is 4.5x2 , square root that and you get 3feet/sec . The force is v^2/r x 140 is about 8/6 x 140= 219 pounds roughly, You said needs 280 so my calculation is not exact measurement. Yes, the centrifugal force is....

[vietarc]

able to put out twice the force of gravity weight, but as a pulse force. I've prove that the work done by centrifugal force is twice the work of potential, but I had too many fight with mainstream science that slowly exhaust my will. People like you amaze me with the spirit. Unselfish desire will make the world better, thank you for the video. If you need me to calculate, just tell me the exact parameters.

[RHEAD100]

Thanks; You ARE the man I have been looking for.

I will get together as much info as possible and send it to you.

AGAIN; Thanks

[vietarc]

I'm sorry, the last calculation didn't take the gravity weight into account, so the force is well over 300 pounds and enough to lift up. According to the calculation, you can reduce the pendulum by half length and still get the same lift..

[djancak]

"It's obvious that this thing produce much more output than in"

are you suggesting that this machine is capable of powering itself?

[vietarc]

Yes, but the feedback design(mechanically) is not easy. Bessler spent most of journey to make a feedback design. We do not have to go that route but rather use electrical motor-generator to achieve it.

[ABthehammer]

Greetings RHEAD100 Hook it up to an old fashion water pump and measure how much water it is pumping out. But to help your math you have to add the length of you swinging pendulum into the math for the leverage you are getting in the swing.

[astroshima1]

Sooner or later somebody will have to put this system to do some useful work and then it will need to measure that work! Sooner the better!

[RHEAD100]

I will see what I can come up with.

Thanks

[astroshima1]

Yes but we haven't seen that kind of experiment (or measurements) yet!

For your last proposition and as I sugessted before we need a lifter mounted at left (lever) side that will lift some weight that is independent of that whole system! That way is possible to measure real energy (or work) output and not energy that is just stored in the system.

Alternative is to mount water pump or electric generator at left side and to measure potential energy of pumped water or generated electric power.

[astroshima1]

"Measuring" how high or how many times left side weight can be lifted is equivalent to "measuring" how high and how many times a single pendulum itself can be lifted by a single pendulum stroke. I agree that is more times then input stroke but that is not measuring output energy because no energy is extracted from that pendulum or from this similar two stage system.

[astroshima1]

I am particularly interested in first of two (possible) measurement scenarios Where input Energy is calculated by the same formula and where experimenter does just a single lift of pendulum weight.

Other measurements with constant oscillations could come later...after this simple ones...

[Nabo00o]

If you have oscillated it for half an hour, than you KNOW that the energy put into it in order to get it in speed is not important, i.e the resistance in the pendulum itself and in the air would have killed it of by then.

The main point is looking at energy put in by you versus the the energy going out at the other end, or simple by the pendulum's increase and decrease of weight.

[astroshima1]

My suggestion is about measuring input and output energy (see both my posts that are separated because of youtube length limitations)... And one can do a single lift up to max height (or amplitude) of pendulum (and measure that height or height differential to eliminate input energy loss)...

[Nabo00o]

Well, that isn't too bad of a test really, as the only normal potential energy you can get from gravity is by increasing height.

So you have it there, a very easy test to do.

Take a weight equal to that of the pendulum, than see how high you can make it move, in relation to the pendulum. If higher, and if several times, than you must agree that there is something to this.

[datzfast]

if the raised weight is equal the the weight of the pendulum you damper the system

and destroy the marriage of the 2 mechanical systems. Why would you want to do this. It would defeat the purpose of the machine. I think you knew this when you suggested it.

[astroshima1]

Can you make a series of experiments (+ measurements) and related videos with Extracting the work (Energy) from that system?

For example to put some lifter (crane, ... sorry for my poor English) below this large weight at lever side ... and to measure Output Work (= Output Energy) by formula E= m*g*h (m - lifted mass, h - height that this mass has been lifted by the lifter)

...

[josephrea]

Could make a pile driver by using a split swinging weight and adding an adjustable length control so the driving weight can follow the pole down. Good for building docks and bridges in the third world.

[WarzSchoolchild]

Bravo! Ray, Good Work!

Forwarded to:- Prof.Ian Fells, & Prof. Walter Lewin. With compliments from the UK's. R.M.P.T.A. & D.A.M.P.T. (Forwarded to the R.M.P.T.A. Honorary Colonel)

[RHEAD100]

This vedio ran in slow motion !/2 speed shows, without any dought. The machine can not only run itself. But can do it mechanicaly. While tirning a generator or pumping water. And not use any of the electricity or water to keep it running.

If you can not down load it here. Let me know and I will make a one minute video and email it to you. That goes for every one of my subscribers as well.

[WarzSchoolchild]

Demolition contractors seldom use cast iron wrecker balls, with high scrap values, a lot are being lost. Their weight is 4 to 5 tons. A good idea to contact scrap merchants, and offer to buy them, and save them freight costs into the bargain.

A 'qualified' engineer would need to vet the design! and instalation! This is good "Suck-it-and-see" Science. A Veljko Milkovic pendulum, is a noteworthy counter-example to the claim that potential energy is unavailable from centipetal acceleration.

[Nabo00o]

You got it man! The power conversion ratio is everything.

I thought about that for some time earlier and came to the conclusion that the less you allow the pendulum to move the hinge (on the pendulum side), the less energy it will lose, but that does not mean that it will lose the pressure it creates. So, as you figured out, to make this machine as 'over efficient' as possible, you must restain the pendulum as much as you can, an at the same time collect some of the motion it creates :)

[RHEAD100]

Thanks; The machine is ajustable in so many ways. You almost have to figure out what kind of job you want it to do and build it acordingly.

[Nabo00o]

Yes, of course as long as it is able to put out work you should try to maximize the ratio further, as it will only increase its power in versus power out efficiency. Do you agree that this design is really the totally opposite to any normal motor or generator, be it mechanical or electrical? Because normally the drag on the motor should increase when you add more resistance to it, in this case however, its seems to increase its output as you add resistance to it. Funny concept :)

[RHEAD100]

Funny concept :)

Very Funny; As in strainge. The more you try to stop it the easyer it is to operate. This machine is truly a conunbrum. HAHA can't spell phynominom.