Roman Catholic Women Priests: Prostration of Bishops before Altar

[0276boy]

The essential matter for the sacrament of Orders in a "vir"...a male. (Check Canon Law if you doubt me.) Therefore these "ordinations" are INVALID. All who take part are excommunicated and any "sacraments" are null and void and sinful. (Canon 1024)

[Gorbachenko]

Who are these dumb ass old broads?

[hopxman]

what absurdity. those whohave led these women to believe this is true have sinned against the Holy Spirit. But................lesbians will be lesbians!

[PZMedic]

ThePope has taught that it is not within the church's power to ordain women. Even if they wanted to it is beyond thier power to do so. If the Pope himself were to ordain them it would be an invalid ordination as the Holy Spirit would not participate. Sadly these women and thier supporters are deluding themselves and risking thier souls for an imagined ordination.

[streets2apostle]

Ecumenical Council law OVERRULES any one Bishop's decree or any one Church's Canon, for the Holy Spirit spoke directly through all the Bishops of the one holy Catholic & Apostolic Church. It just so happens that Ecumenical Council of Chalcedon Canon #15 states: "No woman under 40 years of age is to be ordained a deacon, and then only after close scrutiny." Hmmm, sounds like an ordination into holy orders to me, what about anyone else?

[SuperPricil]

You can never be happy with Roman Catholic Church ,and The Orthodox Church. These are relions religion mixed with politics. James 4:4 You adulterous people, don’t you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.

[streets2apostle]

Dr. Ludwig Ott,(1952), Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma. p. 456. "Every validly consecrated Bishop, including heretical, schismatic, simonistic, or excommunicated Bishops, can validly dispense the Sacrament of Order, provided that he has the requisite intention, & follows the essential external rite (set. Certa). Cf. D 855, 860; CIC 2372." That is the OFFICIAL RCC stance on what is considered a valid ordination!

[streets2apostle]

Dominic Prummer, O.P., Handbook of Moral Theology, "The Minister of Valid Ordination", p. 383.

The Ordinary Minister is every consecrated bishop & no one else. (Council of Trent. Sess 23, c. 7.) Therefore even a schismatic Bishop or one who has been degraded or one who has been declared irregular etc, may ordain validly provided that his own consecration was valid & that he uses the essential matter & form."

[streets2apostle]

Dominic Prummer, O.P., Handbook of Moral Theology, "The Minister of Valid Ordination", p. 383.

The Ordinary Minister is every consecrated bishop & no one else. (Council of Trent. Sess 23, c. 7.) Therefore even a schismatic Bishop or one who has been degraded or one who has been declared irregular etc, may ordain validly provided that his own consecration was valid & that he uses the essential matter & form." Thats the OFFICIAL stance of the RCC, therefore female ordinations are valid.

[SuperPricil]

Galatians 6:5 For each one should carry his own load.

Romans 14:12 So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God.

[streets2apostle]

@SuperPricil Hypocrisy should NOT effect the very order of the Church. That is not a personal issue.

[SuperPricil]

@streets2apostle What do you want to do ? If you think that it is God's will that women be priests or bishops, go to the pope or the cardinals ! than explain what is your problem. I tried to explain that scripturally for a woman to take the lead in the churchi is wrong.

2 Thessalonians 1 :7,8 the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

[streets2apostle]

@SuperPricil Believe me, when the opportunity presents itself, & the audience is finally granted, we will speak in an Ecumenical Council meeting concerning this issue & others. The Orthodox Church Bishops are also genrally against it, however are more open to discussing this subject. Pope JP II had no right to try to close the issue without an Ecumenical Meeting or even a Roman Synod of Bishops, but he did it anyway.

[streets2apostle]

@SuperPricil Believe me, when the opportunity presents itself, & the audience is finally granted, we will speak in an Ecumenical Council meeting concerning this issue & others. The Orthodox Church Bishops are also genrally against it, however are more open to discussing this subject. Pope JP II had no right to try to close the issue without an Ecumenical Meeting or even a Roman Synod of Bishops, but he did it anyway.

[streets2apostle]

@SuperPricil When your "private sin" has altered the very order and structure of the Church, we all end up carrying the load!

[SuperPricil]

God has ordained that only men are to serve in positions of spiritual teaching authority in the church. This is not because men are necessarily better teachers, or because women are inferior or less intelligent (which is not the case). It is simply the way God designed the church to function. Women are encouraged to teach other women (Titus 2:3-5). The Bible also does not restrict women from teaching children.But she should be restricted from is teaching or having spiritual authority over men.

[streets2apostle]

Getting back to Deaconess Phoebe, the RCC gave her the Feast day of Sept 3rd, yet they outright deny females the rightful ordination to the Deaconate office. Interesting.....

[SuperPricil]

I think that you are confused .This does not mean that Junia she "was" apostle, as has been sometimes supposed.There is no account of she has been appointed as such.The correct rendition of the Greek text places her as well known to the Apostles rather than prominent among the Apostles. That translation would indicate that the pair were not apostles, but that she enjoyed a high reputation among the apostles.They were not only well known to St. Paul, but also to the rest of the apostles.

[streets2apostle]

@SuperPricil Tell that to the Orthodox Church who collectively and unanimously regard both her & Adronicus as Apostles who planted the Church of Pannonia. Your translation is argued by some of the best Bishops and Theologians, & finds itself in the minority of Orthodox tradition, a tradition that the Roman Catholic Church stems from & admits to share. She worked the Ministry of an Apostle & she was mentioned as being in the Roman Church. Thats hard to argue against!

[adipricil]

There are several scripture which indicates that in the New Testament a woman in the presence of men cannot take the lead in the house of God . Why they don't want to read the bible and apply it ?

I Timothy 3:2. A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

I Timothy 3:12. Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.

I Timothy Chapter 2: 12 etc.etc

[streets2apostle]

@adipricil There is a problem with your use of those Scriptures. 1) It was the same Apostle Paul who saluted Apostle Junia. The Bishopric received its authority from the Apostles of the Lord. Orthodox Christianity recognizes a female Apostle, & therefore, should potentially recognize a female Bishop; 2) the same Apostle Paul you quoted for the office of the Deacon sent out Phebe, a female Deacon. The funniest part is that both references are found in his letter to the Church of Rome!

[SuperPricil]

@streets2apostle I said what the bible teaches , In the presence of christian men a woman cannot take the lead in the house of God. why ? Paul said that .1 Corinthians 11:3: “While every man has Christ for his Head, woman’s head is man, as Christ’s Head is God.” (NEB) Paul was divinely inspired to write: “A woman must be a learner, listening quietly and with due submission. I do not permit a woman to be a teacher, nor must woman domineer over man.”—1 Timothy 2:11, 12, and 1 Timothy 2:8

[streets2apostle]

@SuperPricil You say what the Bible says, but you do not teach what the Bible teaches. One scripture cannot contradict the other; one verse cannot create an entire doctrine. If Paul never respected a female in leadership, then Paul is a double minded man. Paul knew about Prophetess Deborah, who was leader of Israel; Paul saluted Junia, who was an Apostle, Paul addressed "the house of Chloe" (1st Corinthians 1), a female leader of a Congregation in Corinth. Are these people females, or not?

[SuperPricil]

@streets2apostle Discussing the headship arrangement in the Christian church , the apostle Paul explained that if a woman prays or prophesies in the congregation, occupying a position God has assigned to the man, she should have on a head covering. In temporarily doing these things because no dedicated male Christian is present to do them, even though she may have long hair, the woman should not argue that her long hair is sufficient to denote her subjection. 1Co 11:5-16;

[streets2apostle]

@SuperPricil You added to the Epistle of Paul. He never mentioned nor even indicated that such was "In temporarily doing these things because no dedicated male Christian is present to do them". God's anointed Ministry does not have a "temp-agency". This verse also does not hinder a female from ordination or even speaking. She is allowed to prophetically minister, which means to "edify, exhort, and comfort" the Church. This is what Bishops, Priests, & Deacons do all the time!

[SuperPricil]

@streets2apostle Titus 1:5-9 Poul used Episcopos the masculin noun Strong's G1985 .

a) a man charged with the duty of seeing that things to be done by others are done rightly, any curator, guardian or superintendent b) the superintendent, elder, or overseer of a Christian church.

[streets2apostle]

@SuperPricil Peter also used a feminine term for the Bishopric that Matthias took over. Whether the term is in the masculine or feminine matters not. Leadership isnt gender-empowered, its Holy Spirit empowered, according to Acts 20:28. You never addressed the truth that St. Junia is regarded as an Apostle in both the Orthodox & RCC. You know very well that a Bishops authority is from the Apostles. Therefore, since her Apostolic authority is sure, a female's episcopal authority is unquestionable.

[SuperPricil]

@streets2apostle If you say that a female's episcopal authority is unquestionable than Galatians 6:5 For we are each responsible for our own conduct.

Romans 14:12 So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God.

[streets2apostle]

@SuperPricil You robbed the meaning of my statement, & you know it. Keep it in proper context, for going outside of the conversation's context will not win your point.

[SuperPricil]

@streets2apostle That Junia was an apostle it is in your context, but it is not my.

King James Bible

Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellow-prisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

Of note among the apostles.Well and favorably known to the apostles.it by no means implies that they were apostles All that the expression fairly implies is, that they were known to the other apostles; that they were regarded by them .

[streets2apostle]

@SuperPricil Interesting that I too read the KJV, & alot of those scholars that say that Junia was an Apostle do as well. The NT wasnt writtne in KJ English, it was in Greek. You have taken the literal words but missed the context behind them (AGAIN).

[SuperPricil]

@streets2apostle Some of the scholars! not as you mentioned a lot of those say that Junia or Junias was an Apostle. Interesting! I didn't know that the NT was written in the koine greek and not in English professor streets2apostle.

This means that we must throw away the KJV since the words and the translations are not correct.

Than which Bible is reliable?

[streets2apostle]

@SuperPricil Foolishness alone drives one to say such a thing! One's translation may be off due to them being finite, however "the letter killeth but the Spirit gives life". It is the Spirit of the Word of God that is relevant. If one lacks the Holy Ghost, then toss the book out as well, for it does you no good! If one has the Holy Ghost, then He will guide you to all truth, book or no book.

[SuperPricil]

@streets2apostle The Holy Spirit teach that , the one who is an elder, deacon, bishop, or overseer is instructed to be male . There were deaconesses, so there can be female elders and pastors?. He is the husband of one wife, responsible, able to "exhort in sound doctrine and to refute those who contradict" (Titus 1:9). We see no command for the overseers to be women.The created order of God that Paul references (Gen. 1-2; 1 Tim. 2:12-14). This are scriptural fact that you should teach .

[streets2apostle]

@SuperPricil 1) You said "the one who is an elder, deacon, bishop, or overseer is instructed to be male", but continued on to say "There were deaconesses..." You contradicted yourself. Because of that exception alone, there is enough reason to question why women cant be Pastors & Bishops;

[streets2apostle]

@SuperPricil You put more stock into the Book of God rather than the God of the Book. You arrogantly & sarcastically speak about Koine Greek, but probably dont realize how many flaws there are in teachings due to cultural differences. The verse dealing with Junia was not improperly translated, it is misunderstood. Once again, I spoke of CONTEXT, not translation. By the way, as the head of my Church, I do in fact teach other Bishops on this subject & others, so please spare me the sarcasm.

[SuperPricil]

@streets2apostle

Conclusion

God's word clearly tells us that the elder is to be the husband of one wife. A woman cannot qualify for this position by virtue of her being female. Whether anyone likes it or not is irrelevant to the fact that this is what the Bible teaches.

[streets2apostle]

@SuperPricil 2) The book of Numbers describes the Nazarite vow starting off by saying "male & female", but continues on to describe it by saying "he". This is due to the general understanding of when one says "man", quite often it includes both male & female. This is found also in Genesis 1:26-28 & Genesis 5:1-2. There is much revelation that you have missed, due to lack of understanding concerning context.

[SuperPricil]

@streets2apostle The Greek word for “deacon” is DIAKONOUS. It refers to one who “serves.” It comes from the root word “DIAKONOS.” This person is a servant of the church under the direction of the elders. It is important to remember that the elders, who are also called overseers, have the responsibility for directing the affairs of the church (1 Tim. 5:17; Heb. 13:17; 1 Pet. 5:1-2). So a deacon is one who serves the Lord Jesus by supporting the elders.

[streets2apostle]

@SuperPricil The RCC restricts women from serving in a Deaconate office that was once open to them even in Rome! Hypocrisy and heresy!

[streets2apostle]

@SuperPricil No matter what scripture you use, you still have to get around the fact that St. Junia is an Apostle, & therefore, a female's episcopal position is only a matter of "if she is called by the Holy Spirit", which does not include questioning her gender.

[SuperPricil]

@streets2apostle The apostle Paul instructed to the women to “keep quiet in the meetings.” Why? One reason, he wrote, is so that things would be done “in a proper and orderly way.” (1 Corinthians 14:34, 40, For the church to run smoothly, God has assigned the role of teaching to one group.; it is granted only to those men who truly qualify.—1 Timothy 3:1-7; Titus 1:5-9.

This does not diminish the role of women in declaring the Good News. Psalm 68:11 Titus 2:3, 4

[streets2apostle]

@SuperPricil The proper Greek word used by Paul in 1 Timothy 2 would mean "to usurp", & that means to wrongfully & forcefully take authority. A woman ordained as head over the Lord's Church does not usurp authority, it is given. More RCC Bishops have been guilty of such than females. A Bishop or a Priest in the RCC is ordained by God through His servants the Bishops. If females usurped authority, then that means they were self-appointed, not by Catacomb ordination like these ladies.

[pleistonax]

terrible blasphemy!!!! Kyrie eleison!

[bt804d]

HERESY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mulg1]

An OUTRAGE.

[WeepingStellaMaris]

Not Catholic...at all. Not even Nody Ody.

[finian4558]

...prostration is the actual method of worship practiced by jews. Dont forget, even Jesus, who was considered a Jew, prostrated when he worshipped his God. All these were forgotten when Paul marketed a modified version of Christianty to the Romans which explains why we see the latest fashion trends at church services. However, newly-ordained bishops still prostrate (unfortunately to the Pope when it should be to the lord) to this day.

[choirboy526]

this is very similar to the druid rituals.

Women and men Circling a table.

[MTheChequeGuy]

God have mercy? If you take away the gender of the Lord, Jesus Christ ceases to exist and all faith in the one Trinity is void.

[kpman]

What a sad parody of the true Church

[FilipEffatha]

@kpman

One of the painfully movie i've found... I even do not see "Love to priesthood" in this. I think this woman do this, becous they want it ...

[FilipEffatha]

@kpman

One of the painfully movie i've found... I even do not see "Love to priesthood" in this. I think this woman do this, becous they want it ...

They true sing "Lord have mercy!"

Lord have mercy on it !

[royalregiment]

This is not part of the Roman Catholic Church, but part of anther "New-Reformed-Christian" founded by these women themselves.

[satchieA]

@royalregiment

Precisely true!!!!!!

[SAYYOURROSARY]

@royalregiment This is in SanFransisco AT THE NOVUS 0RDO (new order /different religion) parish

The have "Gay messes .! " They have a AIDS memorial IN THE "church" The Bishop "hands" out bread

to homos dressed like "Nuns" (men in drag homos are welcome ) Don't act the B16 don't know about it .

I know "Mike Voris" thinks most the Bihops are "bad" (he won't ever say hertics ) and the "p0Pe" just can't DO anything .....wrong and must have no clue . He knows I wrote him !

[royalregiment]

These ordinations are not valid under the succession of the Catholic Church. There have been teh excommunication "Latae Sentiae," which is an "automatic excommunication" for the following resaons: 1)Men are only allowed to be insuccesion witht eh order of Priesthood and Bishops. 2)Only the Representative from teh vatican or the Pope, his holiness himself is allowed to promote bishops of a particular diocese.

[satchieA]

@royalregiment

And the payment is HELL!!!!

[royalregiment]

These group of women have been excommunicated by the Pope, which is the Vicar of Christ and Head of his Church on Earth, The Holy and Apostolic Catholic Church.

[rbroeski]

What a beautiful and moving offering of total self by these courageous women. They are called and they have responded.