Once again, the military has been using FMJs since WW2. They are not using FMJ and I believe that the .308 Winchester was not the original 'sniper' round. It was the .30-06 Springfield.
Militarys are banned from using hollow point ammo in warfare. They can only use full metal jacket ammo. Carlos Hathcock used a Winchester model 70 chambered in .30-06 Springfield full metal jacket ammo. An FMJ bullet would have gone through that PU scope and into the ballistics dummy and possibly through the whole head.
@Ratkill9000 lol though you said modern warfare and did not bother reading the rest buy yeah they were not allowed that's why ALL the surplus rounds are all FMJ
If theres one episode that irritated me it had to be the one of a bullet doing damange under water. In the tests they did they all used high power rifles where the rounds would discintergrate upon impact with the water but if they redid the test with the bullet loosing momentum instead of gaining vilocity the rounds would do damange under water to targets.
As a soviet firearms collector I must say, That better not have been an original PU scope on that Mosin nagnat 91/30 or I will personally hunt Adam and Jamie down and crush them!!!
The only thing I don't like about this is that the gel used is supposed to replicate muscle, when the shot is penetrating through the eye socket it would only come into contact with a few millimetres of thin muscle so it would have surely had a much deeper penetration on a human target.
Hmm.... so the story goes that Carlos Hathcock did the same thing, only from 300 yards away, and with no mention of any armor piercing ammunition. How is that exactly possible?
@xXJeReMiAhXx99 Retard? First of all the 30.06 features a .308 caliber bullet just like the 7.62 Nato does, only difference is that the 30.06 propels that bullet an extra 10-15 m/s. Secondly snipers DO NOT use armor piercing ammunition unless the enemy is hiding behind an armored shield, they shoot lead cored match grade ammunition, which does not penetrate more than the match grade HPBT used in that video, which btw isn't meant for shooting deer either!
@xXJeReMiAhXx99 The reason snipers don't use AP rounds on anything but very rare occasions, like when a target needs to be hit behind some sort of protective cover, is because AP rounds features inferior ballistics & accuracy compared to the regular lead cored M72 match ammunition. And back in the 60's when this shot supposedly took place there was no purpose made AP ammo for snipers, only standard AP rounds which weren't nearly as accurate as the M72 round, giving snipers no reason to use them.
@1775novten Yeah, I have to say that the whole story just seems silly to me now, and stupidly similar to the famously fabricated Zaitsev vs König story. I mean both stories are about these "heros" killing some supposed enemy supersniper who had been purposely sent out to kill them.
In short Zaitsev & Hathcock seem like two similar individuals who let their personal egos get away with them, making up stories like these to promote their own image, or allowing the propoganda ministry to do so.
@odin650 I would suggest buying the un-pleated uranium rounds in the first place. Or stick with the good old ruffles. Of course, if you are fashion-conscious and bold, you can risk it with velvet.
Carlos Hathcock was a formidable enemy to the Viet Cong. He has a 2000 $ price tag on his head. The sniper that was shot through the scope was a trained sniper who was probably sent to specifically deal with Hathcock. He shot him when he sees the scope reflection. It is true that he is lucky because the weather, humidity... in Vietnam was much more harsh.
Even if someone choose not to believe this.. Lets say that the chance of a bullet going through the scope is one in a million. The sniper who did this shot in real life (i believe it was Vietnam) may have been very lucky.. Or maybe the wind, angle or atmosphere had something to do with it. Mythbusters cant exactly copy the contitions that where present during the real shot: bullet trajectory, luck and so on..
@Necrotwilly I don't admit to being a gun expert, but I believe a .357 is a pistol round, while the .308 is fired from a rifle. The net result is that the .308 has a much higher muzzle velocity. As kinetic energy is proportional to the square of the velocity, this is what gives the .308 a bigger punch, despite being the smaller projectile.
@Chemicalpneumonia A bullet reaches maximum velocity as it leaves the barrel. As the propellant is no longer applying an accelerating force to the bullet it will not increase in velocity. From this point the only forces acting on it are gravity (which is acting perpendicular to the direction of travel and therefore doesn't affect its horizontal speed) and air resistance which slows it down.
They dont need BMG rounds, the problem with the last test was not the scope or the rifle but the ammo. It was all generic rifle rounds. A heavy cored round would of had no issues with getting through the orginal scope.
@AEsirProdigies and the way to win is by maiming. a dead soldier costs them a lot less than an injured soldier. once the other country runs out of money that tends to mean the country that is superior in soldier's and money tend to be the victors.
Only works on countries that take care of their soldiers. Todays battles usually aren't one big country against another, so while that still holds true, it's only true for one side.
@ImpotentGawd The object of sniping is to take out high priority targets...not to maim them, but to take them out. Depending on the mission objectives, maiming an enemy combative may be used to draw in more possible targets, but usually the sniper will usually take the kill shot rather than intentional maiming.
The problem with Mythbusters is that their displayed contempt for using a good scientific method likely for the sake of entertainment, means that they spread a LOT of misinformation.
@NickoliKalashnikov47 KAR 98s are longer and thinner, they are bolt actions and you can hear that, the M1 is a shoter alittle fatter semi-automatic rifle that shoots a 30-06 round, hell in a small compact figure
Use the same scope that they used at the time -__- Modern scopes have more lenses, which can stop the bullet. The ones in the old days had only a few.
@maxbie123 There was no so to say .50 caliber rifles back then, the largest you would normally go was 30.06 (slightly larger then .308) in Vietnam, you were not shooting from mountain to mountain, so you did not need such a large round. Troop did however experiment with attaching scopes to the vehicle mounted .50 cal M2 machine gun which was somewhat effective.
@XxCr33dB3ASTXx Nope, Hathcock did it with a Browning machine gun cutomised to semi automatic fire. He fitted it with a sniper scope and used it as a sniper weapon. he was a good part of the reason why the military adopted .50 sniper rifles though. And the round used was the same, the .50 BMG, but it was not a Barrett.
If those guys really wanted to disprove someone, pick on that British Sniper who took out two enemy machine gunners from over a mile and a half...one shot each! These were confirmed and the funny part was that the guy didn't know that he had broken a distance record for confirmed kill until he was injured and sent home. Snipers are not trophy hunters, they are trained technicians with hundreds of hours of training to do what they do best.
@TheBadhaggis He was from Canada. It wasn't one shot each. It took him 10 shots to even hit the guy. It wasn't over a mile and a half. It was 1.26 miles. Just a little fyi to add to your information you got wrong there big guy...
@TheBadhaggis you forgot to mention that the first kill was concealed behind a bush , he saw the barrel of the ak sticking out the side, guessed where he was , and fired, reports from the infantry which where pinned down by this guy later said that the exit wound had taken half of his head off. I know who youre talking about ;)
lol sounds like a soldier wanted to show off a bit. fuck marines fuck army fuck all that shit ur putting ur lives on the line coz someone tels u 2. shows ur nothin but a puppet on a string. keep fightin for fuck all and die, i dont give a shit, have fun riskin ur neck to invade someone elses country, ive seen countless videos of western troops bashing innocent people for "fun". fuck the "army" -bunch of brats with guns. Aim at yourselves before you pull your next trigger
@SHortstuFF911 Someone's been baking in the Australian sun too long. You think your country doesn't have an army? Your country is one of our (USA) best allies you hippie fucktard.
@SHortstuFF911 Each military members lifes a life too many times more meaningful than somebodies who speaks like you do. To fight for a country you love is not to be a puppet but a leader. An example. Every profession has its blemishes. Media only portrays the unusual stories, the rare stories. stories about the amazing job men and women do everyday is not as interesting news. So wherever you are, know that the U.S. military makes more of a difference in the world than any other country.
Oh god....fine dude ill be WAY MORE SPECIFIC with your pea size brain.......when im refering to the hollow points being illegal in wartime im refering to the US MILITARY (Gunny Hathcock USMC) Not civies or police you idiot. Therefore back to my original statement if your going to recreate a historical sniper's kill shot.....you better get EVERYTHING right......down to the size, shape, weight, and type of bullet used!
Pretty sure "The Original" shot by Hathcock DID NOT use hollow points! geeze! if you guys are gonna represent a military hero! better F-ing do a little research and make it as accurate as possible! HOLLOW POINTS???? really? Ever heard of the Full Metal Jacket?!?!?!? Pretty sure you cannot use a hollow point round ->Geneva Conventions?!?!?!<-
No, the military can not _legally_ use a hollow point round, they're way too effective. It also isn't banned by the Geneva Convention, that had some human rights laws yes, but nothing about hollow points. Hell, even Wikipedia doesn't list Geneva Conventions as to reasons why they're illegal for military usage so if you'd done even a little research using a biased reference you would know better.
@FraggingBard LMAO you obviously dont know what the hell youre blabbin about. Had to research Wikipedia of all places?!?! lol if you notice the question marks after i reference the geneva conventions thats was to spark inside the brains of who ever was reading my post to research themselve because of my uncertainty. but either way the answer is that hollow points are illegal in wartime enviroment. and they werent accuate in the account of Gunny's kill shot through the charlies scope. period
Fuck tard, your comment is full of question marks, the only spark that would go off is why the fuck you're commenting on this page. You haven't the slightest amount of knowledge concerning the subject matter, you don't even get that last part right. Hollow points aren't illegal in a wartime environment, only for military use. Lots of police and civvies have them, no western defense force does. They noted that the inaccuracy in the vid, unless you think the rifle is fine?
Just take a moment to think, there is no-one on here who will argue in favor of hollow points in this experiment, it's one of the stupidest thing I've seen on Mythbusters. Both from an accuracy point of view and also that hollow points are designed to fragment so you're going to end up with bits everywhere and none in the person. Stop thinking it's a slur on one of the decent snipers. Then go read a book.
@FraggingBard It really doesnt matter what the you think. Your not even here in the states or ever been affiiated with the US Military in any way. I have more right being a US Marine myself to argue this episodes validity than you will ever have.
You better not be in the Marines, I heard they were recruiting below what they wanted, but damn..
Hollow points. In. This. Experiment. Is. Stupid.
I never disagreed with you, I merely pointed out you looked like a complete idiot saying they're banned completely by the Geneva Convention. No-one is going to take you seriously if you say that, and you agree with me when you think Wiki is a dodgy reference, but they didn't even get that wrong. Don't talk stupid, it looks bad
@FraggingBard i hope i dont loose any sleep knowing no one will take me seriously oh god and especially not you. excuse me while i go blow my brains out now.
@kodeykinder20 Hey dude. With what that other guy is saying on hollow points, your right. it's not banned by the Geneva Convention...but Western Nation's don't use them because of the way it wound's them. This isn't a recent thing to not use them. The British had hollow point made for their .303s (though not specifically asking for hollow point) and when they tested it, the Brits cancelled it and went back to ball. If that makes sense all up.
And You use Boat Tail Hollow Points because of its external ballistics i.e. what the bullet does in flight. Basically its a more accurate round. AA11 is the ammo we use. It's 175 grain Long Range Ammo. It is not armor piercing.
I dont care what mythbusters says. I went to the Marine Scout Sniper School In Kaneohe Bay Marine Corp Base, One of the first people we learned about was Carlos Hathcock. Gunny Hathcock did not need to make up a story like this. He Had 93 Confirmed Kills and almost twice that in probables. If He said it went down the scope, it went down the scope. Period.
I dont care what mythbusters says. I went to the Marine Scout Sniper School In Kaneohe Bay Marine Corp Base, One of the first people we learned about was Carlos Hathcock. Gunny Hathcock did not need to make up a story like this. He Had 93 Confirmed Kills and almost twice that in probables. If He said it went down the scope, it went down the scope. Period.
@HSGoat I'm glad my comment had you take a look at him. He was a great man and really the father of the american sniper program. My step dad met him when I was very young and from what he told me he was the most polite and humble man you could meet. He really is an American hero and his experiences and teachings are saving lives even today.
@TheBadhaggis Thanks bro. But most people have a serious misconception about snipers even those in the service. We were taught to be as professional and knowledgeable as possible to dispel rumors and myths. We aren't ninja's or assassins and sniping goes so far beyond just shooting someone at 1000 yards. To me the more people know about a great man and sniper like Gunny Hathcock the better, and if they learn a little about snipers along the way thats just gravy. Thanks Again!!!
@arnie240 i don't know bro, the facts speak otherwise..unless you or your sniper school comes with complete evidence that that actually happened..I won't believe bullshit and rumours..You were the one who said that "he didn't need to make up a story like that"; therefore, you don't know FOR SURE if he did or didn't..so TOUCHE! ;)
Don't let any Marines hear you bad mouthing Hathcock...especially Scout Snipers! Number one, those guys do look gay! Number two, none of our snipers ever used hollow point ammunition. Number three, I could give a damn if you think I sound "ignorant"! Finally, no sniper ever took a shot from less than twenty feet from his target. Besides, holllowpoints are meant to expand and fragment on impact...isn't this bantering fun?...ha!
Use AWM sniper
tonsiot1 1 week ago
Once again, the military has been using FMJs since WW2. They are not using FMJ and I believe that the .308 Winchester was not the original 'sniper' round. It was the .30-06 Springfield.
TheXBOXHAT 2 weeks ago
@TheXBOXHAT
Oh wait for the last one they did use .30-06 and armor piercing NVM
TheXBOXHAT 2 weeks ago
Militarys are banned from using hollow point ammo in warfare. They can only use full metal jacket ammo. Carlos Hathcock used a Winchester model 70 chambered in .30-06 Springfield full metal jacket ammo. An FMJ bullet would have gone through that PU scope and into the ballistics dummy and possibly through the whole head.
Ratkill9000 3 weeks ago
@Ratkill9000 the 5.56x45 acts like a hollow point but they still use it
MrDip02 2 weeks ago
@Ratkill9000 lol though you said modern warfare and did not bother reading the rest buy yeah they were not allowed that's why ALL the surplus rounds are all FMJ
MrDip02 2 weeks ago
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Ratkill9000 3 weeks ago
why didnt they just use a barrett 50 cal
fishingwiththenerd 3 weeks ago
If theres one episode that irritated me it had to be the one of a bullet doing damange under water. In the tests they did they all used high power rifles where the rounds would discintergrate upon impact with the water but if they redid the test with the bullet loosing momentum instead of gaining vilocity the rounds would do damange under water to targets.
MrRedeyedJedi 3 weeks ago
the Myth busters people are dumbasses!
jat5889 3 weeks ago
Sniper's a good job mate!
nincritzu 1 month ago
youtube.com/watch?v=9As6AMGifSY
Youaresofullofshite 1 month ago
use a .50 cal. the bullet wouldnt even fit down a scope
crazyj872 1 month ago
@crazyj872 You could fit that down the barrel!
fenwayI0 4 weeks ago
Thats funny
OverdozeMusicGroup 1 month ago
or you could just believe the marine ex-sniper that did it in real life...
andrewjb96 1 month ago
As a soviet firearms collector I must say, That better not have been an original PU scope on that Mosin nagnat 91/30 or I will personally hunt Adam and Jamie down and crush them!!!
Mrgoodnyt 1 month ago 22
@Mrgoodnyt nope that was full on original im sure
MrDip02 2 weeks ago
epic fail! hollow points expand as they travel through shit
TheJimsterJim 1 month ago
I believe hathcocks story because it can b done it was replicated by Steve Richert USMC ret. It was a moment where everything was right! For hathcock
Schulz223 1 month ago
of course there's no bullet left, they fired a hollow point bullet which is made specifically to break apart on impact.
sammicseeyou 1 month ago
they didnt use the right scope it was a world war two soviet made PU scope so the failure of the first try was a lack of information
hangoverkid2 2 months ago
try an anti tank rifle
TAddicMinecraft 2 months ago
The only thing I don't like about this is that the gel used is supposed to replicate muscle, when the shot is penetrating through the eye socket it would only come into contact with a few millimetres of thin muscle so it would have surely had a much deeper penetration on a human target.
CagBagGaming 2 months ago
That's why when I go sniping, I wear a steel eye patch..... oh wait.
staphinfection 2 months ago in playlist Season 5
how it was undamaged if it got glass all over it you would die from that!
slovenedudebmwlover 2 months ago
Slowmoguys + mythbusters=AWESOME
Exemplify818 2 months ago
Hmm.... so the story goes that Carlos Hathcock did the same thing, only from 300 yards away, and with no mention of any armor piercing ammunition. How is that exactly possible?
bellator11 3 months ago
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xXJeReMiAhXx99 3 months ago
@xXJeReMiAhXx99 Retard? First of all the 30.06 features a .308 caliber bullet just like the 7.62 Nato does, only difference is that the 30.06 propels that bullet an extra 10-15 m/s. Secondly snipers DO NOT use armor piercing ammunition unless the enemy is hiding behind an armored shield, they shoot lead cored match grade ammunition, which does not penetrate more than the match grade HPBT used in that video, which btw isn't meant for shooting deer either!
Guess we know who the real retard is now
bellator11 3 months ago
@xXJeReMiAhXx99 The reason snipers don't use AP rounds on anything but very rare occasions, like when a target needs to be hit behind some sort of protective cover, is because AP rounds features inferior ballistics & accuracy compared to the regular lead cored M72 match ammunition. And back in the 60's when this shot supposedly took place there was no purpose made AP ammo for snipers, only standard AP rounds which weren't nearly as accurate as the M72 round, giving snipers no reason to use them.
bellator11 3 months ago
@bellator11 Not likely.
1775novten 2 months ago
@1775novten What exactly ?
bellator11 2 months ago
@bellator11 The Hathcock story. Made for a damn good book though.
1775novten 2 months ago
@1775novten True.
bellator11 2 months ago
@bellator11 I have to admit that I feel a little let down, but regardless, I still think he was a badass sniper.
1775novten 2 months ago
@1775novten Yeah, I have to say that the whole story just seems silly to me now, and stupidly similar to the famously fabricated Zaitsev vs König story. I mean both stories are about these "heros" killing some supposed enemy supersniper who had been purposely sent out to kill them.
In short Zaitsev & Hathcock seem like two similar individuals who let their personal egos get away with them, making up stories like these to promote their own image, or allowing the propoganda ministry to do so.
bellator11 2 months ago
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xXning3nXx 3 months ago
Why oh why would they use hollow point >.<, u wanna make a hole? use full metal jacket, you want a soft target explosion, use hollow point
Ptro001 3 months ago 47
@Ptro001 snipers use hollowpoints, for the damage they inflict-so for the myth to be accurate, they gotta use hollows.
EskimoChild169 1 month ago
@EskimoChild169 Hatchcock used FMJ
LineDoggie 1 month ago
@Ptro001 They used different types.
252Dazz252 1 week ago
So they ruined like 4 PU scopes?
sam8404 4 months ago
Well people finally start to refer from TF2. Used to be COD all the time.
hamtetutu 4 months ago
If you want to REALLY mess something up, use depleated urainium rounds.
odin650 5 months ago
@odin650 I would suggest buying the un-pleated uranium rounds in the first place. Or stick with the good old ruffles. Of course, if you are fashion-conscious and bold, you can risk it with velvet.
ayebraine 3 months ago
BE POLITE
BE EFFICIENT
BabyPaulaPolestar 5 months ago
poor mosin
zehnsechz 5 months ago
Rotational speed decrease slower than foward momentum, bullet is more stable at a distance. Also jaw must be considerd in this.
Axbent 5 months ago
Would have given the sniper a hell of a case of scope eye.
BlackSGMan 5 months ago
Ouch.
eltonthj 5 months ago
Carlos Hathcock was a formidable enemy to the Viet Cong. He has a 2000 $ price tag on his head. The sniper that was shot through the scope was a trained sniper who was probably sent to specifically deal with Hathcock. He shot him when he sees the scope reflection. It is true that he is lucky because the weather, humidity... in Vietnam was much more harsh.
ndcpro1998 5 months ago
@ndcpro1998 it was actully over a 10000$ bounty in him and his partner so if u want the facts i can get them my grandpa served with him
snipermaster10001 5 months ago
"that's a plausible myth" uh actually no its not it actually happened
TheNikedubs 5 months ago
Even if someone choose not to believe this.. Lets say that the chance of a bullet going through the scope is one in a million. The sniper who did this shot in real life (i believe it was Vietnam) may have been very lucky.. Or maybe the wind, angle or atmosphere had something to do with it. Mythbusters cant exactly copy the contitions that where present during the real shot: bullet trajectory, luck and so on..
Chemicalpneumonia 6 months ago
@Chemicalpneumonia or maybe the original story itself is a myth...ever think of that?
Putaspellonyou 6 months ago
@Chemicalpneumonia It's the legendary Carlos Hathcock man
ndcpro1998 6 months ago
@ndcpro1998 Yeah! thats the name.
Chemicalpneumonia 5 months ago
They should have done it from a greater distance to get more power in the hit
Necrotwilly 6 months ago
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gusset25 6 months ago
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gusset25 6 months ago
@Necrotwilly : Physics fail
gusset25 6 months ago
@Necrotwilly uh... is that possible?
ChickenWolfGaming 6 months ago
@Necrotwilly Sorry mate, but physics 101 says that the kinetic energy of the bullet decreases with distance due to air resistance.
spackle42 6 months ago
@spackle42 Well, a .308 impact at a 1000 yards has more power than a .357 and point blank. And ofc there are weather conditions and such...
Necrotwilly 6 months ago
@Necrotwilly I don't admit to being a gun expert, but I believe a .357 is a pistol round, while the .308 is fired from a rifle. The net result is that the .308 has a much higher muzzle velocity. As kinetic energy is proportional to the square of the velocity, this is what gives the .308 a bigger punch, despite being the smaller projectile.
spackle42 6 months ago
@spackle42 But the bullet hits the scope without even getting the time to get to its maximum speed..
?
Chemicalpneumonia 5 months ago
@Chemicalpneumonia A bullet reaches maximum velocity as it leaves the barrel. As the propellant is no longer applying an accelerating force to the bullet it will not increase in velocity. From this point the only forces acting on it are gravity (which is acting perpendicular to the direction of travel and therefore doesn't affect its horizontal speed) and air resistance which slows it down.
spackle42 5 months ago
just ge t a rocket launcher if u wanna finish him!
MegaRocketLaunch 6 months ago
Haha stupid story proven wrong. Wanna search a real sniper? Simo Hayha!
LiveJoyDivision 6 months ago
split his wig
TheLucKyMilkMan423 6 months ago
snipin's a good job mate. I guarantee you won't go hungry
MrWillsauce 6 months ago 7
Seach up "Steve Reichert shot through sniper scope" He did it...
JRRacing64 6 months ago
Saving Private Ryan ?
Georder 6 months ago 21
@Georder NO, its shaving Ryans privates....
fmpanic000 1 month ago
hey dumb ass, real snipers (not police) DON'T USE HOLLOW POINTS!!
AchilliesWar 6 months ago
@AchilliesWar As far as i know, police snipers don't either... Usually soft point or FMJ.
ryansilversimpson 6 months ago
@ryansilversimpson
I think as whole they don't. However I have heard of specific departments that do use them.
AchilliesWar 6 months ago
@AchilliesWar that's why they changed the ammo and rifle.... -.-
LiveJoyDivision 6 months ago
it's obvious that this sniper did something wrong.
theanghv 6 months ago
try .50 cal XD
megvagyimmartizenyol 7 months ago 70
@megvagyimmartizenyol did he quickscope?
Roksonixx 6 months ago
@megvagyimmartizenyol
They dont need BMG rounds, the problem with the last test was not the scope or the rifle but the ammo. It was all generic rifle rounds. A heavy cored round would of had no issues with getting through the orginal scope.
Lokivoid 3 months ago
@Lokivoid thts why i said use a .50 cal, i was talking about the bullet, that would have went through anything :D
megvagyimmartizenyol 3 months ago
@megvagyimmartizenyol The things head would come off :D
smothdude 2 months ago
@smothdude they have superglue, dont they? :D
megvagyimmartizenyol 2 months ago
@megvagyimmartizenyol :P
smothdude 2 months ago
itsnt he suppoed to be a mile and a half away while shooting at the scope. lol
the14u36 7 months ago 3
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ThaGVPSon 7 months ago
Try using a .50 cal or a .48 bullet
ReconSniperGuy 7 months ago
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icedbannanas 7 months ago
the object of war is not to kill but to maim
ImpotentGawd 7 months ago
@ImpotentGawd The object of war is to win.
AEsirProdigies 7 months ago
@AEsirProdigies and the way to win is by maiming. a dead soldier costs them a lot less than an injured soldier. once the other country runs out of money that tends to mean the country that is superior in soldier's and money tend to be the victors.
ImpotentGawd 7 months ago
@ImpotentGawd If you kill them all, there's no need to maim.
AEsirProdigies 7 months ago
@AEsirProdigies sigh not going to argue with someone who doesn't know war
ImpotentGawd 7 months ago
@ImpotentGawd
Only works on countries that take care of their soldiers. Todays battles usually aren't one big country against another, so while that still holds true, it's only true for one side.
FraggingBard 7 months ago
@ImpotentGawd The object of sniping is to take out high priority targets...not to maim them, but to take them out. Depending on the mission objectives, maiming an enemy combative may be used to draw in more possible targets, but usually the sniper will usually take the kill shot rather than intentional maiming.
TheBadhaggis 7 months ago
@TheBadhaggis lol war's object is to maim but there are always necessary casualties
ImpotentGawd 7 months ago
ive seen a test on this by a military guy with the right specs and it worked this mythbusters episode is a false fail
marinenick100 7 months ago
@marinenick100 Carlos Hathcock used a 30.06 Winchester Model 70 shooting M2 AP ball.
You're exactly right.
But I've also shot through far longer scopes than the PPU one they shot with M2 Ball.
Turboguy3 7 months ago
The problem with Mythbusters is that their displayed contempt for using a good scientific method likely for the sake of entertainment, means that they spread a LOT of misinformation.
unrealtrip 7 months ago
If I recall they revisited and revised their opinion on this myth, confirming it.
maxbie123 8 months ago
The dummy had a Mosin Nagant during the last shot!!!!!! And I believe Jamie used a Mauser Kar 98 to make the last shot
NickoliKalashnikov47 8 months ago
@NickoliKalashnikov47 it was an M1 Grand....
sniperpistol50 8 months ago
@sniperpistol50 Oh. Well i couldn't see it very well. Garands and 98's kinda look the same
NickoliKalashnikov47 8 months ago
@NickoliKalashnikov47 KAR 98s are longer and thinner, they are bolt actions and you can hear that, the M1 is a shoter alittle fatter semi-automatic rifle that shoots a 30-06 round, hell in a small compact figure
sniperpistol50 7 months ago
use an intervention
joaokke 8 months ago
Try the .700 Nitro express
Mandragara 8 months ago
@Mandragara Overkill much
PWNifaction 8 months ago
@Mandragara Yeah I would like to see them try to attempt that
craveninfidence 8 months ago
Use the same scope that they used at the time -__- Modern scopes have more lenses, which can stop the bullet. The ones in the old days had only a few.
iEatYourCereal07 8 months ago
was it a Barret 50. Cal
XxCr33dB3ASTXx 8 months ago
@XxCr33dB3ASTXx The event they were testing came from vietnam, a while before the 50 cal would be designed.
maxbie123 8 months ago
@maxbie123 There was no so to say .50 caliber rifles back then, the largest you would normally go was 30.06 (slightly larger then .308) in Vietnam, you were not shooting from mountain to mountain, so you did not need such a large round. Troop did however experiment with attaching scopes to the vehicle mounted .50 cal M2 machine gun which was somewhat effective.
GunsOfThePhoenix 8 months ago
@XxCr33dB3ASTXx Nope, Hathcock did it with a Browning machine gun cutomised to semi automatic fire. He fitted it with a sniper scope and used it as a sniper weapon. he was a good part of the reason why the military adopted .50 sniper rifles though. And the round used was the same, the .50 BMG, but it was not a Barrett.
Ragnarok8807 7 months ago
If those guys really wanted to disprove someone, pick on that British Sniper who took out two enemy machine gunners from over a mile and a half...one shot each! These were confirmed and the funny part was that the guy didn't know that he had broken a distance record for confirmed kill until he was injured and sent home. Snipers are not trophy hunters, they are trained technicians with hundreds of hours of training to do what they do best.
TheBadhaggis 8 months ago 114
@TheBadhaggis Better yet, the soldier who shot through a concrete wall, a mile a way killing two people.
hazza3 7 months ago
@TheBadhaggis Oh you idiot ...
daiiani 7 months ago
@TheBadhaggis did he quickscope?
Roksonixx 6 months ago
@Roksonixx No, but he did 360.
potatocats 5 months ago
@potatocats lmfao
Roksonixx 5 months ago
@TheBadhaggis He was from Canada. It wasn't one shot each. It took him 10 shots to even hit the guy. It wasn't over a mile and a half. It was 1.26 miles. Just a little fyi to add to your information you got wrong there big guy...
UrEpitaph 4 months ago
@UrEpitaph its been broken
conservative717 3 months ago
@TheBadhaggis most people dont relise the effprt and the factors for a shot like that , even the corolis effect might come into play
headshots9826 4 months ago
@headshots9826
Wow looks like someone knows how to play video games
FuckingFuckersFuck 4 months ago
@FuckingFuckersFuck indeed i do
headshots9826 4 months ago
@TheBadhaggis Why would they try to disprove it if it's confirmed?
ThemasterDood 4 months ago
@TheBadhaggis you forgot to mention that the first kill was concealed behind a bush , he saw the barrel of the ak sticking out the side, guessed where he was , and fired, reports from the infantry which where pinned down by this guy later said that the exit wound had taken half of his head off. I know who youre talking about ;)
PhatPorcupine 3 months ago
Why did they use a hollow point if they wanted penetration....... gigity...
Ptro001 8 months ago
I think US soliders should get scope armor (made from overlapping scopes haha) :D
TheRealGeriBoss 8 months ago
They should do it with a cal. 50 !!
zorrogoes17 8 months ago
Awww... that poor Mosin Nagant :(
Coolbill34 8 months ago
Meanwhile In The Parallel Universe, Chuck Norris:WHERE DID THIS BULLET CAME FROM? >: (
fareezharis 8 months ago
Im here just for the commercials.
heyzeus39 8 months ago
lol sounds like a soldier wanted to show off a bit. fuck marines fuck army fuck all that shit ur putting ur lives on the line coz someone tels u 2. shows ur nothin but a puppet on a string. keep fightin for fuck all and die, i dont give a shit, have fun riskin ur neck to invade someone elses country, ive seen countless videos of western troops bashing innocent people for "fun". fuck the "army" -bunch of brats with guns. Aim at yourselves before you pull your next trigger
SHortstuFF911 9 months ago
@SHortstuFF911 Someone's been baking in the Australian sun too long. You think your country doesn't have an army? Your country is one of our (USA) best allies you hippie fucktard.
robs104 9 months ago
@SHortstuFF911 Each military members lifes a life too many times more meaningful than somebodies who speaks like you do. To fight for a country you love is not to be a puppet but a leader. An example. Every profession has its blemishes. Media only portrays the unusual stories, the rare stories. stories about the amazing job men and women do everyday is not as interesting news. So wherever you are, know that the U.S. military makes more of a difference in the world than any other country.
DevildogRay1 8 months ago
Oh god....fine dude ill be WAY MORE SPECIFIC with your pea size brain.......when im refering to the hollow points being illegal in wartime im refering to the US MILITARY (Gunny Hathcock USMC) Not civies or police you idiot. Therefore back to my original statement if your going to recreate a historical sniper's kill shot.....you better get EVERYTHING right......down to the size, shape, weight, and type of bullet used!
kodeykinder20 9 months ago
Pretty sure "The Original" shot by Hathcock DID NOT use hollow points! geeze! if you guys are gonna represent a military hero! better F-ing do a little research and make it as accurate as possible! HOLLOW POINTS???? really? Ever heard of the Full Metal Jacket?!?!?!? Pretty sure you cannot use a hollow point round ->Geneva Conventions?!?!?!<-
kodeykinder20 9 months ago
@kodeykinder20
No, the military can not _legally_ use a hollow point round, they're way too effective. It also isn't banned by the Geneva Convention, that had some human rights laws yes, but nothing about hollow points. Hell, even Wikipedia doesn't list Geneva Conventions as to reasons why they're illegal for military usage so if you'd done even a little research using a biased reference you would know better.
FraggingBard 9 months ago
@FraggingBard LMAO you obviously dont know what the hell youre blabbin about. Had to research Wikipedia of all places?!?! lol if you notice the question marks after i reference the geneva conventions thats was to spark inside the brains of who ever was reading my post to research themselve because of my uncertainty. but either way the answer is that hollow points are illegal in wartime enviroment. and they werent accuate in the account of Gunny's kill shot through the charlies scope. period
kodeykinder20 9 months ago
@kodeykinder20
Fuck tard, your comment is full of question marks, the only spark that would go off is why the fuck you're commenting on this page. You haven't the slightest amount of knowledge concerning the subject matter, you don't even get that last part right. Hollow points aren't illegal in a wartime environment, only for military use. Lots of police and civvies have them, no western defense force does. They noted that the inaccuracy in the vid, unless you think the rifle is fine?
FraggingBard 9 months ago
@kodeykinder20
Just take a moment to think, there is no-one on here who will argue in favor of hollow points in this experiment, it's one of the stupidest thing I've seen on Mythbusters. Both from an accuracy point of view and also that hollow points are designed to fragment so you're going to end up with bits everywhere and none in the person. Stop thinking it's a slur on one of the decent snipers. Then go read a book.
FraggingBard 9 months ago
@FraggingBard It really doesnt matter what the you think. Your not even here in the states or ever been affiiated with the US Military in any way. I have more right being a US Marine myself to argue this episodes validity than you will ever have.
kodeykinder20 9 months ago
@kodeykinder20
You better not be in the Marines, I heard they were recruiting below what they wanted, but damn..
Hollow points. In. This. Experiment. Is. Stupid.
I never disagreed with you, I merely pointed out you looked like a complete idiot saying they're banned completely by the Geneva Convention. No-one is going to take you seriously if you say that, and you agree with me when you think Wiki is a dodgy reference, but they didn't even get that wrong. Don't talk stupid, it looks bad
FraggingBard 9 months ago
@FraggingBard i hope i dont loose any sleep knowing no one will take me seriously oh god and especially not you. excuse me while i go blow my brains out now.
kodeykinder20 9 months ago
@kodeykinder20 Hey dude. With what that other guy is saying on hollow points, your right. it's not banned by the Geneva Convention...but Western Nation's don't use them because of the way it wound's them. This isn't a recent thing to not use them. The British had hollow point made for their .303s (though not specifically asking for hollow point) and when they tested it, the Brits cancelled it and went back to ball. If that makes sense all up.
Basically we just don't use them.
TheRabEars 8 months ago
And You use Boat Tail Hollow Points because of its external ballistics i.e. what the bullet does in flight. Basically its a more accurate round. AA11 is the ammo we use. It's 175 grain Long Range Ammo. It is not armor piercing.
arnie240 9 months ago
@arnie240 say it brother!
kodeykinder20 9 months ago
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I dont care what mythbusters says. I went to the Marine Scout Sniper School In Kaneohe Bay Marine Corp Base, One of the first people we learned about was Carlos Hathcock. Gunny Hathcock did not need to make up a story like this. He Had 93 Confirmed Kills and almost twice that in probables. If He said it went down the scope, it went down the scope. Period.
arnie240 9 months ago
I dont care what mythbusters says. I went to the Marine Scout Sniper School In Kaneohe Bay Marine Corp Base, One of the first people we learned about was Carlos Hathcock. Gunny Hathcock did not need to make up a story like this. He Had 93 Confirmed Kills and almost twice that in probables. If He said it went down the scope, it went down the scope. Period.
arnie240 9 months ago 74
@arnie240 Who cares? It could've be a misconception.
SniperViper1000 9 months ago
@arnie240 OORAH Marine! Well said.
DeathCultAssassin 9 months ago
@arnie240 that guy was unbelieveable...ive heard the most amazing stories about him..
ThleTruth 8 months ago
@arnie240 Your comment made me look after Carlos Hathcock. (Never heard of him before) Wow this guy was impressive.
HSGoat 8 months ago
@HSGoat now google Simo Hayha, swedish sniper.
TheTrilbyWill 8 months ago
@HSGoat I'm glad my comment had you take a look at him. He was a great man and really the father of the american sniper program. My step dad met him when I was very young and from what he told me he was the most polite and humble man you could meet. He really is an American hero and his experiences and teachings are saving lives even today.
arnie240 8 months ago
@arnie240 Don't ever try to explain sniping to a civilian...they just don't comprehend anything about the artform.
TheBadhaggis 8 months ago
@TheBadhaggis Thanks bro. But most people have a serious misconception about snipers even those in the service. We were taught to be as professional and knowledgeable as possible to dispel rumors and myths. We aren't ninja's or assassins and sniping goes so far beyond just shooting someone at 1000 yards. To me the more people know about a great man and sniper like Gunny Hathcock the better, and if they learn a little about snipers along the way thats just gravy. Thanks Again!!!
arnie240 8 months ago
@arnie240 Don't ever try to explain sniping to a civilian...they just don't comprehend anything about the art form.
TheBadhaggis 8 months ago
@arnie240 that's a real cool story bro, tell it again.
PureZOOKS 8 months ago
@arnie240 They re-visited it and said it's possible :)
shiv595 8 months ago
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@arnie240 I'm jesus. I don't need to prove it with evidence. Believe what I say. See how retarded you look?
PCgeekist 8 months ago
@arnie240 Don't forget the amount of snipers Simo Hayha ganked (with over four times as many confirmed kills). It can be done.
Rensune 8 months ago
@arnie240
also including that hes taken out 2 snipers, a whole platoon in a rice patty, and made the longest kill show at the time which was over a mile.
sniperpistol50 8 months ago
@arnie240 Even Hathcock said it was a fluke. I seriously doubt he could do it again, at least not deliberately.
Ragnarok8807 7 months ago
@arnie240 i agree they did the test whether you can split an arrow with another arrow the said busted but i have seen it happen
kudell95 7 months ago
@arnie240 But they said it was plausible.
SwordPengy8 7 months ago
@arnie240 i don't know bro, the facts speak otherwise..unless you or your sniper school comes with complete evidence that that actually happened..I won't believe bullshit and rumours..You were the one who said that "he didn't need to make up a story like that"; therefore, you don't know FOR SURE if he did or didn't..so TOUCHE! ;)
TwoPlusFourIsSe7en 7 months ago
@arnie240 Aye, and I hear Hathcock didn't even aim. It was purely reflexes.
This man deserves to be in the Chuck Norris's Hall of Badass.
CrabTastingMan 6 months ago
you guys need to do more research on sniper myths Harthcock shot through a pu scope with a regular bullet not armor pearsing.
twig2501 9 months ago
40 people got shoot through a scope
BallisticNinja10 9 months ago
why would you use a hollow point for this test? that's just plain ridiculous ;)
Sarthex 9 months ago
@Sarthex Can you read the comment which is two comments below yours?
57worldwide 9 months ago
That is more like it. Solid core bullet . 303, 308 or 3006 all throw about the same weight.
Alexmcgruer3 9 months ago
ha the dummies hair fell off :)
AAAHHHCUMMON 9 months ago
Don't let any Marines hear you bad mouthing Hathcock...especially Scout Snipers! Number one, those guys do look gay! Number two, none of our snipers ever used hollow point ammunition. Number three, I could give a damn if you think I sound "ignorant"! Finally, no sniper ever took a shot from less than twenty feet from his target. Besides, holllowpoints are meant to expand and fragment on impact...isn't this bantering fun?...ha!
TheBadhaggis 9 months ago