Lords Prayer in Proto-Celtic, Ancient British and Brythonic

[MadcapMan]

Fascinating, thanks very much.

[torhjelm]

Brythonic sounds like Elvish!

[CelticChrissy]

@torhjelm that makes sense considering that JRR Tolkien based Lord of the Rings off the Anglo Saxons,Vikings, Celts, and old English.

[LiliannahBudlidottir]

Speechless. Thank you for existing, your channel is unique. I represent the celtic suebian community Gallaecia and I'm totally sharing your videos over there. Subscribed (:

[RavenofDenmark]

Do you study old celtic languages? :b

[GloomyGonzales]

Funny thing. Proto-Celtic and Ancient British versions of the Lords Prayer (in Russian "Otche nash") sound like a bit tortured old Slavic language and both versions are much closer to modern Russian language than to modern English.

First string in old Slavic:

Otche nash, izhe esi na nebesi

[ScotsmanTillDeath]

WHY DONT WE SPEAK THESE LANGUAGES ANYMORE??

WHYYYYY??? :( :(

[faro0485]

@ScotsmanTillDeath /watch?v=yfflgF_H0kY -- this explains why for many languages.

[ScotsmanTillDeath]

@faro0485 You cunt i don't want to know about Islam. I wipe my ass with Quran. Burn in hell with your Pedophile prophet. P.S - I'd rather die than convert to Islam. Let alone learn the language of the goat fuckers. You should be ashamed of yourself. You think people will really convert like that? No wonder Islam is dying. More than 8,000,000 leaving the faith every year.

[faro0485]

@ScotsmanTillDeath I take it that you're a devil worshipper right?

[ScotsmanTillDeath]

@faro0485 Not at all, Its just muzzies like you fail epically. Islam is not the truth, the Quran is NOT the word of your god "Allah." Move on princess, nobody cares.

[faro0485]

@ScotsmanTillDeath You sound like a rabid devil worshipper. Profanities are on your tongue, sourced from your profane heart. If you're not that, then what are you other than a Scotsturningothersintowomen?

[ScotsmanTillDeath]

@faro0485 I am a man and i speak from what i believe. You are blinded and highly strung to assume such things. I pity your weakness.

[faro0485]

@ScotsmanTillDeath ܠܘܩܐ 6:45 ܓܒܪܐ ܛܒܐ ܡܢ ܤܝܡܬܐ ܛܒܬܐ ܕܒܠܒܗ ܡܦܩ ܛܒܬܐ ܘܓܒܪܐ ܒܝܫܐ ܡܢ ܤܝܡܬܐ ܒܝܫܬܐ ܕܒܠܒܗ ܡܦܩ ܒܝܫܬܐ ܡܢ ܬܘܬܪܝ ܠܒܐ ܓܝܪ ܡܡܠܠܢ ܤܦܘܬܐ

[ScotsmanTillDeath]

@faro0485 Cha b’e là na gaoithe là nan sgolb An làmb a bheir, ‘s i a gheibh Far an taine ‘n abhainn, ‘s ann as mò a fuaim Dùnan math innearach, màthair na ciste-mine. Alba Gu Brath! Islam Out Of Europe!

[faro0485]

@ScotsmanTillDeath ... What I posted was Luqa 6:45.

[LambChowder1]

@ScotsmanTillDeath would you listen to your dumb self? "fail epically" you're mixing the worst things in the world, unenlightened pointless prejudice with 4chan catchphrases. how is it so easy to fall into the dullards trap of blind prejudice.

[Stettina81]

I love this:) Fuck the haters. SHUT UP!

[sassylassy01]

Wow that was amazing and very well said. Forgive my lack of knowledge but which one is considered scot Gaelic and how does that translate to English. Is it the Lords Prayer? Ok yeah gotchya. All of your languages were amazing. Thank you for doing this video.

[SuperAbraham1234]

it doesn't matter whatever language you are speaking it doesn't matter what religion you are

[SuperAbraham1234]

what is the different between ancient british and brythonic?

[3tangle3]

i can speak welsh, but i admit welsh is at least a third to almost a half latinised due to roman influences (some retreating romano brits mingled with local welsh tribes casuing this they say)....gaelic is the least influenced by latin as no roman invasion to eire...did they invade isle of mann though?

[JorgeLorenzoSpain100]

"These tough smart folks(Basques) have survived not one Ice-age....but two!

Oh and the language is believed to be the oldest surviving language in the world (It may well be the last surviving voice from the original language of humanity!)"

The Basques are badasses and pioneers.....

[Dagvalda]

hang on... how the hell do we know what proto-celtic soudned like? let alone 'was'?

[GodslaveRocks]

I hear some similarity between the Brythonic and Irish (Gaeilge). It's slight, but you can tell a possible link somewhere between the two languages.

[ManlnCognito]

Sounds better in old Anglo saxon

[AwakeningMessengers]

Sorry to disappoint, but the Basque are not related to the Celts. the Bask (Euskara) speak a language unrelated to any other European language. Whereas, the Celtic, Romance, Slavic, Germanic and Hellenic (among others) languages all derive from Proto-Indo-European of the Caucasus tribes that came into Europe. Basque people are interestingly unrelated to anyone else in Europe, and are thought to be descendants of pre-Caucasian Europe.

[Falscaidh]

@AwakeningMessengers... linguistically true but all the latest D.N.A. results show that the Irish overwhelmingly are linked directly to the Basque country.

[ManInControI]

Fuck the Celt's...Anglo Saxons al the way

[samluke8121]

@ManInControI The "Celts" of England(Britons) are the native people of this land. You are not a real patriot of England if you say "fuck the Celts". As a matter a fact the modern English have more ancient British("Celtic") and neolithic blood in them then Anglo Saxon blood.

[luwullewa]

@LordAsriel1

Really enjoyed listening to this and other uploads. Good work, keep it up.

The Brythonic language is so important, historically, ancestrally and culturally.

[luwullewa]

@GODBLESSAMERICA71

To which God do you refer?

[Highbrowser]

The last one sounds very much like Tolkien's elven language. At least this wasn't done with an ominous reverb effect like the last two old english versions. That was sort of creepy. :-)

[Skopuningurin]

That is intersesting.. How dod you learn that?

I'm from the Faroe Isladns my self. Here we have a language which as come from old norse.

I'm amazed by what you read. Cool

[GODBLESSAMERICA71]

@Skopuningurin What do you care? You heathens dont respect God or his innocent creatures the pilot whales that you butcher in cold blood why would you pretend to respect God and want to say his prayer?

[Skopuningurin]

@GODBLESSAMERICA71

If I belive in God or not, is none of your buisness.

[GODBLESSAMERICA71]

@Skopuningurin You coward. Did you think your psychopath brother and friends would scare me? If your man enough to kill baby pilot whales in cold blood you should be man enough to defend yourself. You cry baby sissy little girl.

[Skopuningurin]

@GODBLESSAMERICA71

Wauw.

Jeg har politianmeldt dig. Bare så du ved det.

[AwakeningMessengers]

@GODBLESSAMERICA71 Calling someone a heathen and claiming that they're pretending to respect God, is in itself, ungodly. What a hypocrite. And, if you knew anything about anything, you'd know that linguists quite often use the Pater Noster (The Lord's Prayer) as a tool for comparative language, because of its consistency and widespread use across the globe.

[GODBLESSAMERICA71]

@AwakeningMessengers I could care less what you think or who does what consistently. My message was directed at that little weasel skopungrin. And only he knows why. Get lost and drop dead. Wierdo.

[thallassocracy]

You suggest that your Early Brythonic is ca. 300 - 600 AD. But Pais Dinogad is before 600 and is much closer to Middle Welsh than you suggest. (Specifically, [father] is already [tad].

I think one needs to be careful with reconstructed languages, especially when one is following such a notorious tall tale teller as Tolkien.

[MiracleKD18]

Why is Brythonic so different than the others?

[teacher5628]

Thank you! I'm teaching the history of English right now and this was exactly what I needed.

[navysealguy]

@teacher5628 It's insane how much the language has changed.

[KateFan]

This may be a dumb question but how do you know this is how the languages were written and sounded? Because as far as I know they were never written down and they're no longer spoken.

[MaBu888]

Those languages are EXTREMELY beautiful. The last one was like Sindarin from Lord of the Rings to my nonexpert ears.

[archer1949]

@MaBu888 Brythonic is also the language of King Arthur! Or, at least the language spoken by the Romano-British during the time King Arthur is usually placed in.

[MaBu888]

@archer1949

Thank you!

[MaBu888]

@archer1949

Archer sounds like Arthur without the h. Artur :)

[KateFan]

@MaBu888 well Tolkien DID base Sindarin on Welsh

[MaBu888]

@KateFan

I knew that about Sindarin.

The pronunciation of lost languages can be deduced by the certain specific sound change laws or tendencies specific to different sounds. A very

[JackHighlander]

do we really know the pronunciation of 3000 year old languages?

[MaBu888]

@JackHighlander

We have a really good idea of how many languages were pronounced, quite generally, about 2000 BC or even before that. We know this about even seemingly (or really) un-written languages, such as Proto-IndoEuropean. We know that the same sound that is in as w was pronounced as w in Latin around the time before the second half of the Roman Empire. Comparative phonology has come up with many theoretically valid assumptions about it all. Use nonlinear thought like the linguiests.

[MaBu888]

@JackHighlander

English: will (used to mean want). The same word was in Gaulish as VELOR in the Latin alphabet, in Greek transliteration it was ουελορ or ουελωρ - I want. In Latin it was VOLO. ου - in Greek from the 6th century onward it was pronounced like an oo sound. The Greeks tried to simulate the sound that the Gauls pronounced highly likely as a w sound. That's how historical and comparative phonology has figured out the pronunciation of many ancient languages to 90 % accuracy.

[Bjowolf2]

@MaBu888

Yes, thought so - "vil" (= will ) still has the "want"-sense in the Scandinavian languages - usually ( as in "a will" ).

Very interesting - did the same sort of shift happen to the meaning of "shall" / "skal" from ca. "have to" or "must" - and to "can" / "kan" (be able to) in some cases?

Ie. "Jeg [yaigh!] vil synge" = I want to sing - NOT "I will /am going to sing" etc.

[MaBu888]

@Bjowolf2

Also, German has "Ich will" for I want, too. Volo pronomines quos utebo cum Gallico verbo velor.

[Bjowolf2]

@MaBu888

Ah, yes - we are similar in that fashion, although the

verb is "zu wollen" = "to will" - which of course is directly

related to the Latin "volo". So that meaning (want) seems

to have been the original one, I take it?

Ah, I am afraid my Latin is a bit rusty LOL

Something about it being the same verb as the Celtic or Gaelic

verb "velor"?

[MaBu888]

@Bjowolf2

While your Latin may be rusty, you got it right. To be precise, I expressed the desire (volo) to find out the Celtic personal pronoun for I.

The common root of vil, will, volo, welor, is a Proto-Indo-European word probably of complete awesomeness. Looking it up now. Welos or wolos. Means pleasing. "Tu hesi welos pru med" - Proto-Indo-European pick-up line.

[Bjowolf2]

@MaBu888

Aha, I was very puzzled about what that pronoun thing was

doing in there ROFL.

I see - yes, if you have a really goood word, why would you want to change

it?. It's fascinating to see how little some words change over time -

as if they have reached some sort of optimum form in relation to their

frequency of use and importance.

[MaBu888]

@Bjowolf2

"Tu es desiderabilis mihi" - Proto-Indo-European pick-up line in Latin.

[Bjowolf2]

@MaBu888

Haha, I can make out that one via various languages

That may come in handy if I some day date a Roman woman

or a female medical student.

"Du er til-trækkende (' to-dragging' / ie. attractive) for mig" /

"Du tiltrækker mig".

[MaBu888]

@JackHighlander

There are certain principles to how a language's grammar changes and how pronunciation may simplify or get more complex, depending on whether the grammar simplifies or gets more complex (there is an inverse correlation). Latin's grammar is more difficult than that of Vulgar Latin and the Romance languages. The same can be said about Gaulish compared to e.g. Welsh, 'Proto-Celtic' to Gaulish (Gaulish's pronunciation has been made certain through deductions like I just wrote).

[MaBu888]

@JackHighlander

Therefore Gaulish (which came from ProtoCeltic, spoken a milliennium or less before that) has the Latin alphabet transliterated word VELOR pronounced as [welor], the Greek transliteration is ουελορ.

[MaBu888]

@JackHighlander

Besides the inverse correlation thing, we have evidence in the form of inscriptions and sometimes books of said languages. Historical and comparative phonology are good enough at deducing the more or less accurate pronunciation of a word in a certain language spoken at a time and place where no literature remains. The common principles that make the IndoEuropean languages what they are, can be used to deduce the pronunciation of a mother tongue, even without using literature.

[MaBu888]

@JackHighlander

To further illustrate the inverse correlation: Latin's phonology is demonstrably less complex than that of Italian or French (its descendants), but its grammar is more complex.

[eerie777]

Great job!

[MaBu888]

I will try my own version of Proto-Celtic with better tonality and better vowel length. I might do a god job.

[MaBu888]

The last one is like Sindarin Elvish. All is extremely epic. I am no christian but I know that the one exists.

[JackHighlander]

@MaBu888 who is the one?

[MaBu888]

@JackHighlander

Whom is also called or evoked as God and he in the flesh as well.

[MaBu888]

@zephranna01

Yeah, and they knew magic, and transmuted their physical bodies into higher dimensions like many saints, sages, and avatars, such as Jesus, ect.

[WatchingEngland]

wernt the anceint britons basques ?

[PaganWarrior100]

@WatchingEngland

No, the ancient Britons were not Basques, they were related to Basques. Celts and Basques are blood brothers, according to genetics. There was lots of different Celtic tribes who had a similar ethnic background. Some of the Celts who lived in Gaul were of Germanic ancestry.

[JorgeLorenzoSpain100]

funny how many people are in denial cos they thought all along they were mostly anglo saxons lol science is not biased like those self hatin morons

[PaganWarrior100]

@JorgeLorenzoSpain100 It's not for sure that English people are not Anglo-Saxons. The DNA tests also suggest that all peoples in North-West Europe descend from the same genetic stock who survived the Ice Age in the Basque country.

[LLanidloesywddar]

nice ork mate, where did you get the grammar from?

[Bhilithinn]

Wow. I have to say this was impressive. Where did you find your information on the languages? I would love to learn more.

[EnglishWatcher]

good video and very interesting to lison to our old language

thank you for uploading it

[Bonzibuddy4ever]

Thanks for the video this was very interesting.

[doggeanie]

thanks for this, it was good work, and as you say, it is nice giving us something 99 per cent of us know, with the different versions, so that we can hear the language as well as understand the significance. Thanks so much.

[HoundofOdin]

This is an insult to Proto-Celtic. The Proto-Celtic people weren't Christians, and saying "The Lord's Prayer" in Proto-Celtic is just a big "fuck you" to the language and to the Proto-Celts themselves.

[LordAsriel1]

I understand what you're saying, but I didn't mean anything religious by chosing to translate the lords prayer specifically. Its just a text that most people know and so they might be able to understand the languages better. Plus I could easily find it in Welsh, Gaelic and Indo-European, making the translation easier.

[CataDanna]

Your work is admirable, without doubt. The translation in Proto Celtic may be a way to make this language understood (if starting from the hypothesys that people know "Our Father" and may compare the Proto Celtic translation to other languages they know).

On the other hand it is true that, it still shocks a little to see this translation into a language which did no longer exist when Christ was born. It is like translating an article in information technology in Latin.

(No offense!!).

[drstrangeman]

was that the whole prayer? or just parts of it put into other old languages?

[SharkanKuthoshqea]

@LordAsriel1 You could always use Article 1 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. It's also well known and it's often used to sample different languages. It's a lot less ambiguous so you are less likely to make some people angry. Either you've made a great vid, well done ^^

[Enderschoice]

@HoundofOdin The Klingons aren't Christian. Guess what language the bible has also been translated in? Go cry to your mum and stop whinging, mate.

[HoundofOdin]

The Klingons aren't real, the Proto-Celts were. Simply taking cultural views into consideration isn't whining. Respect what the people who spoke the language would have thought. I wouldn't say a prayer to a Celtic god in Hebrew because that would probably piss off the Hebrews.

[Enderschoice]

@HoundofOdin You wouldn't say a prayer to God in proto-celt or Klingon? I would if I knew them. Besides, whether you're a ravaging Celt or a proud Klingon warrior aiming to get your murdered fiance into Sto-vo-kar, I doubt you care much what others do with your language.

[HoundofOdin]

That depends on the language and culture in question. If the people wouldn't be pissed at me for praying to my god in their language, then I would. If it would offend them then I wouldn't do it.

[Enderschoice]

@HoundofOdin And so Proto-Celts, if some of them WERE Christians, wouldn't pray to God in Proto-Celtic even if that was the only language they spoke so as not to offend their friends? I suppose Arabic Christians have to learn English to pray to Jesus, too.

[HoundofOdin]

I really don't want to get into this. Respect cultural ideas and beliefs. If it would piss off the general population, then don't do it. That's a good rule for almost any situation.

[Enderschoice]

@HoundofOdin How is translating the Lord's Prayer into Proto-celtic and the bible into Klingon "pissing off the general population?" A) Proto-celtics probably didn't care. B) Klingons don't either. C) It's a good way to learn things.

[MattMystrieo]

@HoundofOdin Why have you specifically picked the Celts? The Anglo-Saxons were not originally Christians either. And secondly. Are you retarded? How does saying a prayer (just a piece of text) in one language, claim that the people who spoke that langauge were all followers of that specific religion?

[mouthforwar17]

@HoundofOdin youre right. its the same as saying it in old norse. its a slap in the face to this ancient culture

[billymagfhloinn]

@HoundofOdin Are you sure you're not being a pagan fundamentalist here? The religions are all made up anyway, Christian, Celtic or otherwise.

[SenatorGrimshaw]

@HoundofOdin my God, you're a faggot.

[HoundofOdin]

No, I'm not a homosexual. You're a bigot who thinks calling someone gay is an insult though.

[SenatorGrimshaw]

@HoundofOdin ......hahahaha okay White Knight

[HoundofOdin]

White Knight? No. Just a regular guy.