There could be a creator, an invisible, uninteractive, powerless creator. Unlikely but unknowable. It's not about who's definition is what.. It's fact. No one can know, but you either believe in a god or gods or you don't.
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I actually used to consider myself an agnostic due to just lack of proof. But then I saw a good number of other atheists state that to be an atheist means you merely dont have a positive belief in a creator, but you DO have a positive belief all man made religions and their man made gods ARE false (which mirrored my thoughts exactly). That seemed to suit me pretty good and thus i got off the fence and declared atheism :D NO ONE knows if therer IS a real creator or not, no evidence either way.
@shkotay Actually "no evidence either way" is incorrect and I need to rephrase that. The current evidence says no. We cannot prove a negative, but we can show through science that for now there is zero evidence for a creator aside from some old incorrect religious books.
@AkumosBDF "Atheists generally deny a God while agnostics generally just admit we lack the knowledge to figure it out either way."
Atheists don't deny a god. We don't believe in a god.
Also, If you lacked knowledge of something, it would make sense to also not to believe it. That's what the Burden of Proof is and that's how we as humans deal with all other existence claims.
@AkumosBDF To deny a god means you reject that god, say as one would reject zeus or christian god, implying it exists and you are turning away from it. No one knows if a real creator exists or not, but the evidence says no for now. But we can be as close to absolute certainty possible that all religions and their gods are false. It isnt denying something that exists, we are saying religious gods dont exist for all practical intents and purposes. It was never about absolute denial of a creator.
@devious21 It's a double negative in that 2 negatives are in the statement, but they don't negate one another. I was making a comparative reference. If they "don't" (believe god doesn't exist). You can't just chop up the quote willy nilly and apply your own logic; not believing god doesn't exist doesn't mean that you do believe he does, it implied neutrality.
@devious21 And belief or disbelief isn't what Agnosticism is about anyways, it's about being certain that the nature of reality is too complex to be certain of anything at all.
Strictly by definition, theism/atheism would be a statement of belief, while gnosticism/agnosticism is a statement of knowledge. Of course there's no person on this planet that believes something without thinking they're right. I am arguably agnostic in the sense that I do not claim to have universal knowledge of - anything really, but that doesn't mean I do have actual doubts about me being right.
Oh and, before you mention it, I know she said she'd address this (semantics of atheism/agnosticism) in a follow up video, I just don't take that as a reason to actually refrain from commenting about it. I know that's not actually what most "agnostics" mean when they say they're agnostic, but I personally prefer the dictionary version.
@greekpanther1 Well not saying god doesn't exist doesn't imply Atheism. By definition it's the rejection of belief in deities; god is a deity, so if the end result is they don't believe god doesn't exist, they are closer to Agnostic than Atheist.
@steviesama all atheism is, is the disbelief in a god and by that i declare my self an atheist the reason being is simply; you dont believe something unless there is evidence, the current stance is always not to believe. If u asked me to put a figure on my atheism i would say im around 98% sure god doesnt exist, im not asserting absolute certainty because no one can.
@greekpanther1 I pasted the actual definition "atheism", there's not really a need to explain it, it's all in the definition. By definition an Atheist 100% believes there is no god, the uncertainty is left to Agnosticism. In the end you can label yourself with whatever you like, it's not like belief that god does or doesn't exist is fact or is provable, so of course if evidence came along proving or disproving either, it'd be hard for anyone to deny it, atheist or not.
@steviesama "By definition an Atheist 100% believes there is no god"
Saying someone believes something 100%, implies certainty. If you believe something with complete certainty, you KNOW it and then your back at knowledge.
If I claim a flying panda exists, you don't have to know with CERTAINTY that it doesn't exist to NOT BELIEVE in it.
Not believing in it is all that Atheism is. It doesn't imply certainty (which would be gnostic atheism).
@devious21 Individual certainty, has nothing to do with objective certainty. An individual believing 100% that there is no god is the same as someone saying they believe 100% that the Earth is flat; it has nothing to do with knowledge, it just means the person has 0% doubt, but obviously they can still be wrong; certainty isn't knowledge, it's just a strong conviction that the something is the case.
@devious21 Ran out of space -- and again I'm talking about subjective certainty an individual asserts, not objective certainty which is often a constituent in the realm of mathematics.
@steviesama "and again I'm talking about subjective certainty an individual asserts, not objective certainty which is often a constituent in the realm of mathematics."
Good, we are on the same page.
It doesn't take "subjective certainty an individual asserts" to not believe something. Implying all Atheists KNOW (subjective certainty an individual asserts) there is no god, is incorrect.
@greekpanther1 An agnostic person would only be certain that no one can be certain. "Agnostic- A person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God."
I don't watch Dexter. Im sorry, but I can't help but to believe that atheism is indeed a type of theism and it is arrogantly conclusive. Our understanding of this consciousness is not enough claim a cosmological certainty. How can you be by definition an athiest/theist and still be open to a "valid" philosophy?
@jaguarblack1 Atheism is not a type of Theism, the 'A' which Atheism is prefixed with means "without", so it's "without theism". Just like an asexual creature means a creature "without sex".
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I agree with your self definition and some would say it is close minded. But Matt Dillihunty expressed Atheism and Agnosticism in the same way you stated renders it useless. Agnosticism simply isn't useful to employ as a proposition on belief in god. Either you don't know and lean one way or the other on belief, and if you don't know and don't care then it is more helpful to just claim Agnostic Apatheism.
@cbilljones No, actually you pulled that out of your ass. In no way is that "fundemental to the theology." appealing to emotion in an argument is a sign of ignorance and weakness, so I guess you're right, that suits you just fine. But if there is something about killing babies, please give me an example, I'm curious now.
You can be an agnostic theist. An agnostic theist is someone who believes i a god/gods but believes his/her/its nature is unknowable. That's what separates agnosticism from atheism.
If someone asks you your views on God, it deserves more of an explanation than "I'm an Atheist." I usually only hear this from kids under the age of 18. This response tells me that this person most likely went to Wikipedia and typed in atheism and started living their life based on what they read, not that they came to the conclusion themselves, because if they did, they would tell me their somewhat unique view of the matter. Labels in this context generally express ignorance in my opinion.
@HereComesThatIndian "because if they did, they would tell me their somewhat unique view of the matter"
Are you expecting them to delve into their life story and tell you what it was like on their road to realizing they don't believe in any of the gods? I'm sure they would, if you ask but it seems presumptuous that you should just expect they open up to you like that.
Pretend you just met me. You ask, "What are your views on God?".
@HereComesThatIndian maybe their is no unique view. I simply wasnt brainwashed as a child, thus im an atheist. Any one who isnt an atheist is the epitome of ignorance and arrogance, thus your whole post is laughable.
@cbilljones So you're saying that every atheist or agnostic or whatever all believe in the same exact thing and there are is no unique theology based on personal experience? I can't agree with that, or your latter statement. I don't know who you think you are to make an assertion like that.
@HereComesThatIndian Theology based on personnel experience? I think you mean delusion or mental illness. If you think your drugged out hallucinations are evidence for god you have serious issues.
@cbilljones No, I do mean what I said. Did anybody say anything about drugs or mental illness? You're not making much sense, but what I get from your comment is that you didn't base your beliefs or disbelief on personal experience, so either you're being an atheist as a fad or claiming a label for the sake of having one. Give me a good reason why I'm wrong.
@cbilljones No, that's called being a human. I had a personal experience yesterday. When I turned the keys to my car, the car started. So based on that, I believe that next time I do that, the same result will occur. That's called empirical knowledge; virtual knowledge based off experience, as opposed to ideal knowledge, i.e. something you read in a book or a web site. Your comment tells me you believe everything you are told or you read without confirming it for yourself.
@cbilljones hahahahahahah! What!? None! I never said anything about that, you like to put words in people's mouths don't you? I don't believe in a god because I have no faith or empirical evidence to support me doing so, but if I did, I would rebuttal by saying that god doesn't kill babies, people kill babies. Quit trying to win your argument by appealing to emotions and make valid points like a goddamned adult.
@HereComesThatIndian no, the god of muslims, jewish and christians murders babies - its fundamental to the theolgy. There is simply no evidence to support this god or any other. And i will appeal to peoples emotions if i want.
thats my point , yesterday we believed earth was the center of the universe - then the sun was the center of the universe - now its unknown to science what the center revolves around if anything at all. So i agree , you base your view on the knowledge we have today. That means your athiest or religious views could possibly change based on scientific discovery!
1. definitions of words drift in meaning, so that one word comes to mean different things. Okay, but let's avoid Tower of Babel type confusion . . . but wait, you address this. . . .
2. words mean definite things, i.e. atheism is not exactly the same thing as agnosticism.. Okay, but the definitions of words also drift. . . .
The solution: Each person using an ambiguous given term ought to say what he/she mean by that given term.
My take on it is that atheism is the lack of acceptance of a theological claim, and theism requires acceptance of said claim. If you are unsure if a theological claim is correct, and have not yet accepted it as true... wouldn't you by default be an atheist until/if you decided to accept said claim?
@Ryakki: Correct. Anyone who does not accept the theistic claim and is not unsure about it is an atheist. Which is the default position from birth on.
Philosophical discourse, as well as everyday speech, frequently uses terminology in a way which is intended to be uniquely denotative, meaning a perfect one to one correspondence between singularly distinct concepts and singularly distinct words to denote them.
I think that many atheists are what might be most accurately described as "epistemologically agnostic, pragmatically atheistic".
You don't need evidence to be an atheist. The reason is that atheism is not a claim or belief, it's the lack of belief, or the lack of acceptance of a claim. Disbelieving in an absolutely extraordinary group of claims with a complete lack of credibility or evidence in a sea of similar but exclusive claims... is just being reasonable.
Someone tells you there's an intangible pink unicorn living in your living room, with no evidence whatsoever, you don't need evidence to disbelieve.
@Ryakki your brain side-stepped my point , my point was that your Claim to be an athiest or religious person is only based on your experience in your life thus far. Every year man gets smarter and smarter! What if scientist discover that there is a Creator and that everything is matterned after him? Would you then be athiest or change your views? As long as human continue to gain knowledge of creation , how can you make up your mind?
What if scientists discover that a three headed dragon wearing a tuxedo created the universe as a party trick to impress his friends? It could happen, obviously. Does that make it rational to live your life as if that's the absolute truth of the universe? Of course not, it would be absolutely ridiculous to do so.
The only rational course of action is to base your world view on the evidence and science that currently exists. To base your world view on fantasy is madness.
My point is that we never know what tomorrow brings. Did you think you would be where you are when you were a child? If a child was being beaten in public , would you speak up ? only til the events have happened can we know the answers! So if this pretty woman had the worst day of her life thus far and was at the edge of braking down and had no where else to turn to , she might very well start praying to God. She might not! Evidence is the only proof of her claim that she wont pray to God!
she doesnt know what she would do in a moment of weakness- ive heard men claim to be so tough and in there mind they are but when confrontation arises theyre fear takes over and they back down. Ive seen men who thought they can control there anger in certain times and they snap without warning. We dont know ourselves as much as we think! Many athiest have turn to religion and viseversa in moments of weakness and trouble, many christians turn against God when they never thought they would.
Just be agnostic theist and belive in the holy dice. Believing in holy dice does not need any evidence as it is a belief that the dice will not been thrown until after your death.
Thus, every idea is possible but you can not know until you die. The holy dice exist in your mind and therefore exist as an methaphorical object.
Okay, at around 1:52, she starts saying "words change over time"....sure they do...but Atheist/Theist and Agnostic/Gnostic are not words that have changed recently, and they're not going to change anytime soon, sorry.
She even stated that Agnosticism is about being undecided as weather there is a god (which according to her is a valid definition). In many dictionaries, it is about the nature of god being unknown or unknowable. So why can`t I be an agnostic (don`t know) atheist (don`t believe)? And yes, some people think the existence of god is knowable simply using logic (which would be Gnosticism).
It doesn't matter what someone thinks a definition should be. For Linguistics, if two groups of people use certain word with different meanings in mind, both are equally valid. You cannot prescribe how a word should be defined. For many people, atheism is a lack of belief in god. Who is she to say this is wrong? Did she create language? ...
@MrDaniiG I think she is Czechoslovakian, though I could be mistaken. I remember her saying in some video that she did move to either England or America, though. Her involvement with the Reason Rally would brace up this as well.
Well, that makes sense. I got into a huge argument with someone claiming to be an atheist simply because I couldn't follow what it meant. Worse still, when I tried to get clarification on what it meant, I got a set of answers that were contradictory. It's impossible to know if you are or are not something when you can't understand the definition.
The only sad person.are.those that actually etched Dexter since that already exposes a mental challenge for.that audience. Aren't you in fet life? Wouldn't be surprised "would-be Christian".
Yes, I have had these kinds of conversations about imaginary butt-elves, only replace the imaginary butt-elves with god, fairies, giant fire-breathing Ms. Pac Man, and the Zsadlfkjasdiagrb (a term I made up as a comparison of the vagueness and incoherence of the term god). I wish I didn't have these conversations with people who say I can't claim to know that these things, whatever they are, don't exist, but stupid for some reason seems to find its way to my videos...
@TheBarkingAtheist All hail Zsadlfkjasdiagrb! For he is the sun that transforms into the Eden that never ends. All hail Zsadlfkjasdiagrb for he is the headless king that wears the broken crown. All hail Zsadlfkjasdiagrb he still owes me 5000 dollars if you see him could you tell him...I kind of need that back.
This is pointless splitting hairs. You either believe a proposition (you're convinced it's true) or you don't (you are not convinced it's true). When that proposition is "God exists", the former are theists and the latter atheists.
Evangelicals, Unitarians and liberal "cafeteria" Christians are all still Christians, regardless of how strongly they believe. They still fall in the "I believe" category. Similarly, any position on the "I don't believe" category is an atheist position.
@XordLenu Sure, it's two different things. Gnostics is about knowledge, theism is about belief. As a believer, I'm an atheist. As a know-er, I'm gnostic. Thus; I believe there are no gods and I know there are no gods. ;)
You don't have to claim your belief or disbelief of gods, just claim your stance on knowledge of the existence of gods; agnostic.
First of all, you're misunderstanding your own system. A "gnostic/agnostic" according to YOUR system involves the question of whether something can be logically known about god. Many religious sects believe that knowledge of god can be logically proven, yet individual members of said religion can still feel doubts and be uncertain of God's existence. Secondly, Criss isn't using YOUR system. She doesn't care about how you define atheist or agnostic, she defines them differently.
@XordLenu The basis of communication is that we agree on definitions. If I define red as a blue and left as a right, we just can't talk. Changing definitions is wrong. We've already agreed on the meaning of the words atheist and agnostic. Make up a new word and define it if you will.
Most people I've met have already defined atheist as an active disbelief in god, and agnosticism as something in the middle. If changing definitions is wrong, isn't changing them back equally as wrong? You'd bet start speaking in Old English if you don't feel that way.
You are pretty and smart, and the Santa Claus thing is a good idea, I think i will write my problems to him,he was always nice to me :) And you are right there arent any butt elves, they are living in forest, not in butt. Anyway atheist will rule the world, as it is written, so I advise to every agnostic to call themself atheist, because the day is coming, but maybe Im a bit out of topic hukk
gnostic atheists(the thing you claimed to be since you are atheist and apparently not agnostic)would never say something like:if there is a valid enough proof i will become agnostic.the whole concept of gnostic is that there is no fucking IF.
in conclusion unless your a fucking agnostic atheist.
@DIVAD291 "gnostic atheists would never say something like:if there is a valid enough proof i will become agnostic.the whole concept of gnostic is that there is no fucking IF."
A Gnostic Atheists claims the highest amount of certainty in his belief. He is certain of it and holds it as KNOWLEDGE.
This is not the same as being closed minded. If an Atheist met Jesus tomorrow, you think he would tell Jesus "I know you don't exist"? Of course not. Today with our current information, there is no IF.
@devious21 allright...what is the difference between agnostic and gnostic atheists now?
agnostic: i dont think god exist but he could.
gnostic:i REALLY dont think god exist but he could.
a gnostic just cant say there could be a valid enough proof.
real gnostic: i dont think god exist and its impossible that he exist.
he would say(instead of if there is a valid enough proof)there is no valid enough proof and there wont be any ever.gnostic=closed minded wheter you like it or not.
@tacobandit So the difference in the philosophical approach is that God's miracles are unscheduled? How does this make belief in God more acceptable? Or do you want to try and keep disproving a negative based on a standard that is set by an imaginary being?
@AndroBubbles I think you're losing sight of my point. My point is that we can obtain knowledge that Santa doesn't exist much more easily than we can obtain knowledge that some sort of non-intervening God exists. Nowhere did I talk about acceptability or believability. I don't believe in God so why would I? But I have knowledge of Santa's non-existence. God on the other hand, I can't say that I do, nor that it matters.
@steverock85 "This is why agnostic can stand alone and what this is all about. You don't have to make a proposition that there is no god or there is a god."
Again, that's not how belief works. If you don't believe something, you disbelieve it. Those are the same thing.
You can't not be a Theist and also not not be a Theist. You're just back at Theism again. Also, Atheism isn't "making a proposition". It's rejecting the proposition of Theists.
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Viracocha711 20 hours ago
There could be a creator, an invisible, uninteractive, powerless creator. Unlikely but unknowable. It's not about who's definition is what.. It's fact. No one can know, but you either believe in a god or gods or you don't.
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thissailorja 1 day ago
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BIGSTRO64 2 days ago
You said that your position is not dogmatic. I pray that God will reveal himself to you. It's really not that complicated
MeInHim 2 days ago
I actually used to consider myself an agnostic due to just lack of proof. But then I saw a good number of other atheists state that to be an atheist means you merely dont have a positive belief in a creator, but you DO have a positive belief all man made religions and their man made gods ARE false (which mirrored my thoughts exactly). That seemed to suit me pretty good and thus i got off the fence and declared atheism :D NO ONE knows if therer IS a real creator or not, no evidence either way.
shkotay 2 days ago
@shkotay Actually "no evidence either way" is incorrect and I need to rephrase that. The current evidence says no. We cannot prove a negative, but we can show through science that for now there is zero evidence for a creator aside from some old incorrect religious books.
shkotay 2 days ago
Actually Butt Elves would explain a lot.
danbizi 2 days ago
Agnostic Atheist... it reminds of a Jewish Atheist... that is kind of like Catholic Atheist or Muslim Atheist.... idiots
SuperMatthewspencer 2 days ago
@SuperMatthewspencer Well said! Haha... ;3
TheAlternativeDrug 2 days ago
Atheists generally deny a God while agnostics generally just admit we lack the knowledge to figure it out either way.
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@AkumosBDF "Atheists generally deny a God while agnostics generally just admit we lack the knowledge to figure it out either way."
Atheists don't deny a god. We don't believe in a god.
Also, If you lacked knowledge of something, it would make sense to also not to believe it. That's what the Burden of Proof is and that's how we as humans deal with all other existence claims.
devious21 3 days ago
@AkumosBDF To deny a god means you reject that god, say as one would reject zeus or christian god, implying it exists and you are turning away from it. No one knows if a real creator exists or not, but the evidence says no for now. But we can be as close to absolute certainty possible that all religions and their gods are false. It isnt denying something that exists, we are saying religious gods dont exist for all practical intents and purposes. It was never about absolute denial of a creator.
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@devious21 It's a double negative in that 2 negatives are in the statement, but they don't negate one another. I was making a comparative reference. If they "don't" (believe god doesn't exist). You can't just chop up the quote willy nilly and apply your own logic; not believing god doesn't exist doesn't mean that you do believe he does, it implied neutrality.
steviesama 3 days ago
@devious21 And belief or disbelief isn't what Agnosticism is about anyways, it's about being certain that the nature of reality is too complex to be certain of anything at all.
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@steviesama agnostics are just too pussy to deal with the question
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steviesama 3 days ago
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Melbourne619 5 days ago
So, whatever. When they say that why are you even understanding? God is love and whenever I say that when atheists are stupid.
RandomDrone79 5 days ago
LOL. That's definitely the difference between Agnosticism and Atheism to me. Agnostics aren't sure, and Atheists appear to know without a doubt.
steviesama 5 days ago
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Strictly by definition, theism/atheism would be a statement of belief, while gnosticism/agnosticism is a statement of knowledge. Of course there's no person on this planet that believes something without thinking they're right. I am arguably agnostic in the sense that I do not claim to have universal knowledge of - anything really, but that doesn't mean I do have actual doubts about me being right.
narutofan9999 5 days ago
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Oh and, before you mention it, I know she said she'd address this (semantics of atheism/agnosticism) in a follow up video, I just don't take that as a reason to actually refrain from commenting about it. I know that's not actually what most "agnostics" mean when they say they're agnostic, but I personally prefer the dictionary version.
narutofan9999 5 days ago
@steviesama lol every single atheist ive met never say god doesnt exist.
greekpanther1 4 days ago
@greekpanther1 Well not saying god doesn't exist doesn't imply Atheism. By definition it's the rejection of belief in deities; god is a deity, so if the end result is they don't believe god doesn't exist, they are closer to Agnostic than Atheist.
steviesama 4 days ago
@steviesama all atheism is, is the disbelief in a god and by that i declare my self an atheist the reason being is simply; you dont believe something unless there is evidence, the current stance is always not to believe. If u asked me to put a figure on my atheism i would say im around 98% sure god doesnt exist, im not asserting absolute certainty because no one can.
greekpanther1 4 days ago
@greekpanther1 I pasted the actual definition "atheism", there's not really a need to explain it, it's all in the definition. By definition an Atheist 100% believes there is no god, the uncertainty is left to Agnosticism. In the end you can label yourself with whatever you like, it's not like belief that god does or doesn't exist is fact or is provable, so of course if evidence came along proving or disproving either, it'd be hard for anyone to deny it, atheist or not.
steviesama 3 days ago
@steviesama "By definition an Atheist 100% believes there is no god"
Saying someone believes something 100%, implies certainty. If you believe something with complete certainty, you KNOW it and then your back at knowledge.
If I claim a flying panda exists, you don't have to know with CERTAINTY that it doesn't exist to NOT BELIEVE in it.
Not believing in it is all that Atheism is. It doesn't imply certainty (which would be gnostic atheism).
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@devious21 Individual certainty, has nothing to do with objective certainty. An individual believing 100% that there is no god is the same as someone saying they believe 100% that the Earth is flat; it has nothing to do with knowledge, it just means the person has 0% doubt, but obviously they can still be wrong; certainty isn't knowledge, it's just a strong conviction that the something is the case.
steviesama 3 days ago
@devious21 Ran out of space -- and again I'm talking about subjective certainty an individual asserts, not objective certainty which is often a constituent in the realm of mathematics.
steviesama 3 days ago
@steviesama "and again I'm talking about subjective certainty an individual asserts, not objective certainty which is often a constituent in the realm of mathematics."
Good, we are on the same page.
It doesn't take "subjective certainty an individual asserts" to not believe something. Implying all Atheists KNOW (subjective certainty an individual asserts) there is no god, is incorrect.
devious21 3 days ago
@devious21 That's the problem then, you are assuming I was implying that, when it's really just how you interpreted it.
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@steviesama "That's the problem then, you are assuming I was implying that, when it's really just how you interpreted it."
That's how I interpreted the "Atheists are 100% sure there is no god" comment.
Okay so let's be clear. When we say "Know" we are talking about an individual's subjective certainty.
Would you agree that Atheists do not believe in any gods OR do you think Atheism has to mean they "Know" there are no gods.
Do you recognize the difference between non-belief and knowledge?
devious21 2 days ago
@steviesama agnostic when asked would probably say they are 50% sure.
greekpanther1 4 days ago
@greekpanther1 An agnostic person would only be certain that no one can be certain. "Agnostic- A person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God."
steviesama 3 days ago
I'm a Libertarian...
gerry2345 6 days ago
I don't watch Dexter. Im sorry, but I can't help but to believe that atheism is indeed a type of theism and it is arrogantly conclusive. Our understanding of this consciousness is not enough claim a cosmological certainty. How can you be by definition an athiest/theist and still be open to a "valid" philosophy?
jaguarblack1 6 days ago
@jaguarblack1
"Im sorry, but I can't help but to believe that atheism is indeed a type of theism"
You just made my day.
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@jaguarblack1 Atheism is not a type of Theism, the 'A' which Atheism is prefixed with means "without", so it's "without theism". Just like an asexual creature means a creature "without sex".
steviesama 3 days ago
He an actor and it will be in the script, its just work...
rommelfcc 6 days ago
I find your physical and mental beauty very attractive ;)
D3VILB3RT 6 days ago
I can't believe you think Dexter is a prick. He's a lot more stand-up than most people I know. Also, an agnostic is a lazy man's atheist.
Snakepliskinist 6 days ago
Thank you - I hate it too when people redefine language just to get out of an illogical position.
lorax2013 6 days ago
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42lynchmob 1 week ago
I agree with your self definition and some would say it is close minded. But Matt Dillihunty expressed Atheism and Agnosticism in the same way you stated renders it useless. Agnosticism simply isn't useful to employ as a proposition on belief in god. Either you don't know and lean one way or the other on belief, and if you don't know and don't care then it is more helpful to just claim Agnostic Apatheism.
bulletbikesyke69 1 week ago
@cbilljones No, actually you pulled that out of your ass. In no way is that "fundemental to the theology." appealing to emotion in an argument is a sign of ignorance and weakness, so I guess you're right, that suits you just fine. But if there is something about killing babies, please give me an example, I'm curious now.
HereComesThatIndian 1 week ago
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ACULADRYLAND 1 week ago
You can be an agnostic theist. An agnostic theist is someone who believes i a god/gods but believes his/her/its nature is unknowable. That's what separates agnosticism from atheism.
fuzzwarmy 2 weeks ago
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TearsOfWar1 2 weeks ago
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misterkel10 2 weeks ago
If someone asks you your views on God, it deserves more of an explanation than "I'm an Atheist." I usually only hear this from kids under the age of 18. This response tells me that this person most likely went to Wikipedia and typed in atheism and started living their life based on what they read, not that they came to the conclusion themselves, because if they did, they would tell me their somewhat unique view of the matter. Labels in this context generally express ignorance in my opinion.
HereComesThatIndian 2 weeks ago
@HereComesThatIndian "If someone asks you your views on God, it deserves more of an explanation than "I'm an Atheist.""
Why? If they don't believe in any of the god claims, what extra views do you expect them to have?
You're right in that Atheism isn't a very specific label. It's simply the answer to one question - "Do you believe in a god or gods?"
I'm not sure how holding that position is somehow indicative of ignorance.
devious21 2 weeks ago
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@HereComesThatIndian "because if they did, they would tell me their somewhat unique view of the matter"
Are you expecting them to delve into their life story and tell you what it was like on their road to realizing they don't believe in any of the gods? I'm sure they would, if you ask but it seems presumptuous that you should just expect they open up to you like that.
Pretend you just met me. You ask, "What are your views on God?".
I say "I'm an Atheist".
What else do you want to know?
devious21 2 weeks ago
@HereComesThatIndian maybe their is no unique view. I simply wasnt brainwashed as a child, thus im an atheist. Any one who isnt an atheist is the epitome of ignorance and arrogance, thus your whole post is laughable.
cbilljones 2 weeks ago
@cbilljones So you're saying that every atheist or agnostic or whatever all believe in the same exact thing and there are is no unique theology based on personal experience? I can't agree with that, or your latter statement. I don't know who you think you are to make an assertion like that.
HereComesThatIndian 2 weeks ago
@HereComesThatIndian Theology based on personnel experience? I think you mean delusion or mental illness. If you think your drugged out hallucinations are evidence for god you have serious issues.
cbilljones 2 weeks ago
@cbilljones No, I do mean what I said. Did anybody say anything about drugs or mental illness? You're not making much sense, but what I get from your comment is that you didn't base your beliefs or disbelief on personal experience, so either you're being an atheist as a fad or claiming a label for the sake of having one. Give me a good reason why I'm wrong.
HereComesThatIndian 2 weeks ago
@HereComesThatIndian because you base your beliefs on personnel experience, thats batshit crazy dude.
cbilljones 2 weeks ago
@cbilljones No, that's called being a human. I had a personal experience yesterday. When I turned the keys to my car, the car started. So based on that, I believe that next time I do that, the same result will occur. That's called empirical knowledge; virtual knowledge based off experience, as opposed to ideal knowledge, i.e. something you read in a book or a web site. Your comment tells me you believe everything you are told or you read without confirming it for yourself.
HereComesThatIndian 2 weeks ago
@HereComesThatIndian and what emperical evidence do you have supporting a god that likes to kill babies?
cbilljones 2 weeks ago
@cbilljones hahahahahahah! What!? None! I never said anything about that, you like to put words in people's mouths don't you? I don't believe in a god because I have no faith or empirical evidence to support me doing so, but if I did, I would rebuttal by saying that god doesn't kill babies, people kill babies. Quit trying to win your argument by appealing to emotions and make valid points like a goddamned adult.
HereComesThatIndian 1 week ago
@HereComesThatIndian no, the god of muslims, jewish and christians murders babies - its fundamental to the theolgy. There is simply no evidence to support this god or any other. And i will appeal to peoples emotions if i want.
cbilljones 1 week ago
@HereComesThatIndian sorry, i meant anyone who isnt agnostic, not anyone isnt an atheist.
cbilljones 2 weeks ago
thats my point , yesterday we believed earth was the center of the universe - then the sun was the center of the universe - now its unknown to science what the center revolves around if anything at all. So i agree , you base your view on the knowledge we have today. That means your athiest or religious views could possibly change based on scientific discovery!
paleface8 2 weeks ago
You go two ways:
1. definitions of words drift in meaning, so that one word comes to mean different things. Okay, but let's avoid Tower of Babel type confusion . . . but wait, you address this. . . .
2. words mean definite things, i.e. atheism is not exactly the same thing as agnosticism.. Okay, but the definitions of words also drift. . . .
The solution: Each person using an ambiguous given term ought to say what he/she mean by that given term.
Okay, you eventually do that.
Inannalu 2 weeks ago
My take on it is that atheism is the lack of acceptance of a theological claim, and theism requires acceptance of said claim. If you are unsure if a theological claim is correct, and have not yet accepted it as true... wouldn't you by default be an atheist until/if you decided to accept said claim?
Ryakki 2 weeks ago
@Ryakki: Correct. Anyone who does not accept the theistic claim and is not unsure about it is an atheist. Which is the default position from birth on.
MsHyde1 2 weeks ago
@Ryakki:
Or in other word: if theistic claims would not exist the default position wouldn't even need a lable and definition.
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Anamnesia 3 weeks ago
Atheism isn't a view.
Thatonedude917 3 weeks ago
My error, below.
What I was thinking of was that most atheists are:
Ontologically agnostic, Epistemologically empiricist, behaviorally pragmatically atheistic.
Inannalu 3 weeks ago
Philosophical discourse, as well as everyday speech, frequently uses terminology in a way which is intended to be uniquely denotative, meaning a perfect one to one correspondence between singularly distinct concepts and singularly distinct words to denote them.
I think that many atheists are what might be most accurately described as "epistemologically agnostic, pragmatically atheistic".
Inannalu 3 weeks ago
so you need evidence to know your an athiest and evidence to known you arent an athiest
paleface8 3 weeks ago
@paleface8
You don't need evidence to be an atheist. The reason is that atheism is not a claim or belief, it's the lack of belief, or the lack of acceptance of a claim. Disbelieving in an absolutely extraordinary group of claims with a complete lack of credibility or evidence in a sea of similar but exclusive claims... is just being reasonable.
Someone tells you there's an intangible pink unicorn living in your living room, with no evidence whatsoever, you don't need evidence to disbelieve.
Ryakki 2 weeks ago
@Ryakki your brain side-stepped my point , my point was that your Claim to be an athiest or religious person is only based on your experience in your life thus far. Every year man gets smarter and smarter! What if scientist discover that there is a Creator and that everything is matterned after him? Would you then be athiest or change your views? As long as human continue to gain knowledge of creation , how can you make up your mind?
paleface8 2 weeks ago
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What if scientists discover that a three headed dragon wearing a tuxedo created the universe as a party trick to impress his friends? It could happen, obviously. Does that make it rational to live your life as if that's the absolute truth of the universe? Of course not, it would be absolutely ridiculous to do so.
The only rational course of action is to base your world view on the evidence and science that currently exists. To base your world view on fantasy is madness.
Ryakki 2 weeks ago
My point is that we never know what tomorrow brings. Did you think you would be where you are when you were a child? If a child was being beaten in public , would you speak up ? only til the events have happened can we know the answers! So if this pretty woman had the worst day of her life thus far and was at the edge of braking down and had no where else to turn to , she might very well start praying to God. She might not! Evidence is the only proof of her claim that she wont pray to God!
paleface8 3 weeks ago
she doesnt know what she would do in a moment of weakness- ive heard men claim to be so tough and in there mind they are but when confrontation arises theyre fear takes over and they back down. Ive seen men who thought they can control there anger in certain times and they snap without warning. We dont know ourselves as much as we think! Many athiest have turn to religion and viseversa in moments of weakness and trouble, many christians turn against God when they never thought they would.
paleface8 3 weeks ago
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DemangoProductions 3 weeks ago
There are three kinds of agnostic I am Apathetic agnosticism
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WNYmathGuy 3 weeks ago
Solution.
Just be agnostic theist and belive in the holy dice. Believing in holy dice does not need any evidence as it is a belief that the dice will not been thrown until after your death.
Thus, every idea is possible but you can not know until you die. The holy dice exist in your mind and therefore exist as an methaphorical object.
The end.
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@steverock85 "Believing in holy dice does not need any evidence as it is a belief that the dice will not been thrown until after your death."
You'd be believing in it now, so the fact that it may or may not happen until after you're dead is irrelevant.
I could believe that I might be reincarnated and return as Elvis after I die, but I don't because there is no evidence to believe in that.
Something being possible isn't enough justification to be believable.
devious21 3 weeks ago
Okay, at around 1:52, she starts saying "words change over time"....sure they do...but Atheist/Theist and Agnostic/Gnostic are not words that have changed recently, and they're not going to change anytime soon, sorry.
rrpjdisc 3 weeks ago
Wanna know what is funny?
There are Agnostic Theists, too.
Anyway, if you are not an Agnostic Atheist, then you are a Gnostic Atheist! :P
(Hey, you are the one that said it! I just used the term that means what you said! ;-)
AlphaLinkX 3 weeks ago
She even stated that Agnosticism is about being undecided as weather there is a god (which according to her is a valid definition). In many dictionaries, it is about the nature of god being unknown or unknowable. So why can`t I be an agnostic (don`t know) atheist (don`t believe)? And yes, some people think the existence of god is knowable simply using logic (which would be Gnosticism).
upepe 3 weeks ago
It doesn't matter what someone thinks a definition should be. For Linguistics, if two groups of people use certain word with different meanings in mind, both are equally valid. You cannot prescribe how a word should be defined. For many people, atheism is a lack of belief in god. Who is she to say this is wrong? Did she create language? ...
upepe 3 weeks ago
Is she Russian?
MrDaniiG 3 weeks ago
@MrDaniiG I think she is Czechoslovakian, though I could be mistaken. I remember her saying in some video that she did move to either England or America, though. Her involvement with the Reason Rally would brace up this as well.
AlphaLinkX 3 weeks ago
Well, that makes sense. I got into a huge argument with someone claiming to be an atheist simply because I couldn't follow what it meant. Worse still, when I tried to get clarification on what it meant, I got a set of answers that were contradictory. It's impossible to know if you are or are not something when you can't understand the definition.
KuraIthys 3 weeks ago
I dunno... I'm pretty agnostic about butt-elves...
godlovespigs 4 weeks ago
The only sad person.are.those that actually etched Dexter since that already exposes a mental challenge for.that audience. Aren't you in fet life? Wouldn't be surprised "would-be Christian".
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bhavvv 4 weeks ago
Yes, I have had these kinds of conversations about imaginary butt-elves, only replace the imaginary butt-elves with god, fairies, giant fire-breathing Ms. Pac Man, and the Zsadlfkjasdiagrb (a term I made up as a comparison of the vagueness and incoherence of the term god). I wish I didn't have these conversations with people who say I can't claim to know that these things, whatever they are, don't exist, but stupid for some reason seems to find its way to my videos...
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@TheBarkingAtheist All hail Zsadlfkjasdiagrb! For he is the sun that transforms into the Eden that never ends. All hail Zsadlfkjasdiagrb for he is the headless king that wears the broken crown. All hail Zsadlfkjasdiagrb he still owes me 5000 dollars if you see him could you tell him...I kind of need that back.
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Unworshipediety 4 weeks ago
@Unworshipediety I prefer the Necrotelecomnon written by Abdul the I get these headaches sometimes. He also wrote Abdul's book of cat stories too!
VinnyMonster1 4 weeks ago
@VinnyMonster1 I can't fault excellence in in your reading. I'll have to give the Necrotelecomnon a reading then...once the headaches are gone.
Unworshipediety 3 weeks ago
You are correct, theist, atheist and agnostic are all mutually exclusive.
You just don't quite understand why.
I just explained why on this video by BionicDance that concerns you.
Agnosticism Again
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residentatheist 1 month ago
@residentatheist
She understands why you think they're different. She disagrees
XordLenu 1 month ago
This is pointless splitting hairs. You either believe a proposition (you're convinced it's true) or you don't (you are not convinced it's true). When that proposition is "God exists", the former are theists and the latter atheists.
Evangelicals, Unitarians and liberal "cafeteria" Christians are all still Christians, regardless of how strongly they believe. They still fall in the "I believe" category. Similarly, any position on the "I don't believe" category is an atheist position.
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"When that proposition is "God exists", the former are theists and the latter atheists."
Maybe to you
XordLenu 1 month ago
Invisible undetectable but elves, oh that's gold
Socika14 1 month ago
It is OK to be a gnostic atheist.
matthewtaylorbrown 1 month ago
@matthewtaylorbrown
And its ok to just be an atheist, or just be an agnostic
XordLenu 1 month ago
@XordLenu Sure, it's two different things. Gnostics is about knowledge, theism is about belief. As a believer, I'm an atheist. As a know-er, I'm gnostic. Thus; I believe there are no gods and I know there are no gods. ;)
You don't have to claim your belief or disbelief of gods, just claim your stance on knowledge of the existence of gods; agnostic.
matthewtaylorbrown 1 month ago
Are the invisible undetectable elves living up my ass agnostic about me?.......MMMMMMMMMMMMMM?
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speedpachymon 1 month ago
You are wrong. Seriously. Google it.
grahrarog 1 month ago
@grahrarog
If you're not going to take the effort of forming an argument, why even bother posting?
XordLenu 1 month ago
@XordLenu Good point.
She keeps poisoning the well (0:37 - 0:55, 1:35 - 1:40)
She also says things like:
"i don't want to know what you think"
Great. Continue living in ignorance.
Her basic claim is, that she is SURE that there is no god. Wich makes her GNOSTIC atheist. As opposed to agnostic atheist, who is not absolutely sure.
These are two different questions. (a)theism - is weather you believe there is god, (a)gnosticism is weather you know.
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grahrarog 1 month ago
@grahrarog
First of all, you're misunderstanding your own system. A "gnostic/agnostic" according to YOUR system involves the question of whether something can be logically known about god. Many religious sects believe that knowledge of god can be logically proven, yet individual members of said religion can still feel doubts and be uncertain of God's existence. Secondly, Criss isn't using YOUR system. She doesn't care about how you define atheist or agnostic, she defines them differently.
XordLenu 1 month ago
@XordLenu The basis of communication is that we agree on definitions. If I define red as a blue and left as a right, we just can't talk. Changing definitions is wrong. We've already agreed on the meaning of the words atheist and agnostic. Make up a new word and define it if you will.
grahrarog 3 weeks ago
@grahrarog
Most people I've met have already defined atheist as an active disbelief in god, and agnosticism as something in the middle. If changing definitions is wrong, isn't changing them back equally as wrong? You'd bet start speaking in Old English if you don't feel that way.
XordLenu 3 weeks ago
Thank You ....Will You Marrie Me???PLZ
kcebretto 1 month ago
But invisible, undetectable butt elves could be God.
JaypeeMurphy 1 month ago
You're the most disgusting female I have ever seen
2hatelibs1 1 month ago
"Butt-elves" lol
Quierame407 1 month ago in playlist Watch Later
Invisible undetectable elves living up your ass. Ha ha ha
nash984954 1 month ago
Their, not there.
nash984954 1 month ago
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Good for you Christina, You tell'em. Don't take any of there BS.
nash984954 1 month ago
Good for you Christina, You tell'em. Don't take any of there BS.
nash984954 1 month ago
You are pretty and smart, and the Santa Claus thing is a good idea, I think i will write my problems to him,he was always nice to me :) And you are right there arent any butt elves, they are living in forest, not in butt. Anyway atheist will rule the world, as it is written, so I advise to every agnostic to call themself atheist, because the day is coming, but maybe Im a bit out of topic hukk
gyuszuru 1 month ago
gnostic atheists(the thing you claimed to be since you are atheist and apparently not agnostic)would never say something like:if there is a valid enough proof i will become agnostic.the whole concept of gnostic is that there is no fucking IF.
in conclusion unless your a fucking agnostic atheist.
DIVAD291 1 month ago
@DIVAD291 "gnostic atheists would never say something like:if there is a valid enough proof i will become agnostic.the whole concept of gnostic is that there is no fucking IF."
A Gnostic Atheists claims the highest amount of certainty in his belief. He is certain of it and holds it as KNOWLEDGE.
This is not the same as being closed minded. If an Atheist met Jesus tomorrow, you think he would tell Jesus "I know you don't exist"? Of course not. Today with our current information, there is no IF.
devious21 1 month ago
@devious21 allright...what is the difference between agnostic and gnostic atheists now?
agnostic: i dont think god exist but he could.
gnostic:i REALLY dont think god exist but he could.
a gnostic just cant say there could be a valid enough proof.
real gnostic: i dont think god exist and its impossible that he exist.
he would say(instead of if there is a valid enough proof)there is no valid enough proof and there wont be any ever.gnostic=closed minded wheter you like it or not.
DIVAD291 1 month ago
@DIVAD291 "allright...what is the difference between agnostic and gnostic atheists now?"
First let's drop the idea of impossibility.
Second, it's important to understand how belief and knowledge operate. Knowledge is a degree of belief approaching certainty.
Atheism is not having belief in gods. This could be considered "belief" as long as it's understood there is no burden of proof.
Gnostic Atheism is that position that "no gods" is knowledge or certainty and carries a Burden of Proof.
devious21 1 month ago
@DIVAD291 I when we talk about "Knowledge or Certainty", we are talking about a person's knowledge not like objective or absolute truth or anything.
devious21 1 month ago
im 5 minutes in the video and im still waiting for her to make a point.
DIVAD291 1 month ago
hey, fuck, fuck shit, and shit you are cool. NOT! you sure are an annoying slut arent you
PotentialSeffectS 1 month ago
2:18
Yeah, that's pretty much the point. You're either a theist or an atheist. There's no middle ground it's a binary system.
bersaba 1 month ago
@tacobandit So the difference in the philosophical approach is that God's miracles are unscheduled? How does this make belief in God more acceptable? Or do you want to try and keep disproving a negative based on a standard that is set by an imaginary being?
AndroBubbles 1 month ago
@AndroBubbles I think you're losing sight of my point. My point is that we can obtain knowledge that Santa doesn't exist much more easily than we can obtain knowledge that some sort of non-intervening God exists. Nowhere did I talk about acceptability or believability. I don't believe in God so why would I? But I have knowledge of Santa's non-existence. God on the other hand, I can't say that I do, nor that it matters.
tacobandit 1 month ago
I'm sorry, but atheist and agnostic are not subsets of each other. They answer two different questions.
atnorman369 1 month ago
she looks like the aly from aly and aj
xJessiGirlProx 1 month ago
I'm a great fan of yours, but I don't watch Dexter.
I'm off to scout the internet for some episo- DAMN IT SOPA! NOOOOOOOO!
Somuchnonsense 1 month ago
there is no god but that doesnt mean that im an athiest it just means i chose to look at what there is.
archie977 1 month ago
@archie977 "there is no god but that doesnt mean that im an athiest"
If you believe the statement "there is no god" or disbelieve the statement "there is a god"(both mean the same thing) - Then you are an Atheist.
devious21 1 month ago
@devious21
"If you believe the statement "there is no god" or disbelieve the statement "there is a god"(both mean the same thing) - Then you are an Atheist."
I agree.
This is why agnostic can stand alone and what this is all about. You don't have to make a proposition that there is no god or there is a god.
steverock85 1 month ago
@steverock85 "This is why agnostic can stand alone and what this is all about. You don't have to make a proposition that there is no god or there is a god."
Again, that's not how belief works. If you don't believe something, you disbelieve it. Those are the same thing.
You can't not be a Theist and also not not be a Theist. You're just back at Theism again. Also, Atheism isn't "making a proposition". It's rejecting the proposition of Theists.
devious21 1 month ago