@masterknaster Yes good in some situations , clearly not so superior or you would see it used in the cage alot more im mma ..... ohh and its KUK SOOL WON lolll ....... and to the uploader whats up with diffrent sound levels on each vid ?
@whatugundo the guy was talking about self defense and not MMA, you don't need Krav Maga in MMA obviously but maybe you should READ before responding. And OOOOOHHH NOOOOO I MADE A MISTAKE WRITING A FUCKING KOREAN NAME!!!! THE WORLD WILL END!!!! Jeez fucking youtube warriors. And also you could at least show some apreciation for the uploader and not just criticise him.
@masterknaster THATS WHY I SAID IN SOME SITUATIONS IT IS GOOD are you that dumb ??? really ? i said its not that superior as its not used in the most hard to master sport mma where you can use a RANGE of diffrent styles as many as you can learn .... youtube warrior ?? what the fuck your a lost kid ... i just corrected you ?? SORRY BOSS and it wernt the spelling it was the fail .... neway carry on going on like the master of all martial arts and when you get floored 1 day remeber this :D
@whatugundo The mma comparison is just wrong. Of course you're not going to see Krav Maga techniques because they focus on striking vital points and 90% of the techniques are illegal in the SPORT of MMA. Self defense techniques focus on real life events and not a 3 round fight against an opponent you know. MMA techniques don't work as well in self defense where you are dealing with weapons.
having watched several of FQ videos, I think there's a tendency. If the system in question is a sport where people routinely fight to win, and fight people from other clubs and countries, the presenters get destroyed. See judo, taekwondo, kyokushin. No contest.
But if the system is "street" or "real", with no international competitions, you can't really tell the difference between the trained guys and the presenters. See Krav Maga, Wing Chun, etc.
i like when leung ting said, jimmy do good combination, but is not wing chun hahahhahahahahahahahahaha, with that combination he win hahahhahaa, two guy with one week of training!!!!!, i love the wing chun
I dont get this video at all. Why couldnt the big guy use his boxing or grappling?
Hes not a wing chun man so why is he forced to fight like one? Its like telling the wing chun guy to fight like a boxer and penalise him if he uses wing chun techniqies. They just wanted the boxers to lose.
Maybe I should watch part 1? It does nothing for wing chun though does it?
Its basically showing that wing chun cant beat boxing techniques or deal with grappling/clinching.
@SkemeKOS They are there to learn wing chun. not to beat up ppl from other styles. This is the final test to see if they actually learned any wing chun
I don't understand the comments about how bad Wing Chun is? I don't see ANY WC in this video. Fight Quest was a cool show and they beat and lost to guys that did different styles. What's the point of this if the guy that's supposed to be doing WC isn't doing any? Get anyone in the ring or a contest and claim they fight a certain style and see if they actually use it. If they do, and they are any good at it, then crituque what is good or bad about that style.
@tgreer0120 point is if these guys went to roy jones Jr's camp and learned boxing then sparred at the end they would get knocked out in 20 seconds..... where as here the chunners show how bad the art is. watch other episodes where they do bjj, jodo etc and get owned....
@snaketattoo13, there's no point to what you're saying, other than that you get your opinion based on one FQ episode, youtube videos of frauds claiming they do WC, and conjecture. The fact you believe that the study of WC will result in someone automatically losing, shows your bias and ignorance. You should realize if someone sucks at a style or in general, that guy sucks, not necessarily the art they claim to be skilled in. Those guys were not, and the fact you don't know that doesn't help you.
Anyway, the second I see someone use a term like "chunners" & automatically acts derogatory about people that study styles you personally don't like & just start churning out generic nonsense & blanket statements, it's probably time to tune you out. I'm fine with debating and I love everything about martial arts. There are really good people out there, and more really bad one's. Unless you're legitimately studied with someone that knew what they were doing, then you have no true or valid point.
all chunners can make all the excuses they want. but put jimmy and douggy in with roy jones jr or any boxer and they would get their asses kicked. Here they pound on thses pathetic chunners. Bull shit about adapting and street figting. if u get ur ass handed ilke this with gloves and head gear it would only be worse on the street....
martial arts are about self defense and if u notice part of the training showed how short fast wc punches were effective in a confrontation of multiple people
if WC was put in a cage or ring it would have to adapt to that environment which isnt accurate self defense bc they would modify the purpose of the art and have to watch take downs ( i think this is why bruce lee left and took the knowledge of it)
i am not a WC practitioner just a mma/kickboxing/judo/ and now getting into hapkido
@v4nce01 "if WC was put in a cage or ring it would have to adapt to that environment which isnt accurate self defense bc they would modify the purpose of the art and have to watch take downs"
Oh, are take downs illegal in a street fight? I did not know that... I'll bet all BJJ and Wrestling techniques are illegal in a REAL street fight too, right?
on a side note i took lessons with a pro boxer to help my stand up and he told me he used to intimidate his opponents with short straight punches (pretty much exact WC style) more like a combo jab - cross- angle to the left or right and do 4 short straight punches and on the way out throw a left hook. try it on the bag then do it when sparring.......
For stand up fighting like this, a Muay Thai fighter would knock this easily out. The constant pressure is not really a great move as you never know if you are walking into a fist as you see in this video.
@minasz don't compare one style of martial art to another. centuries of pain, blood, sweats have been spend upon them. its not the style its the artist you fool.
@yusha33 Im not comparing styles, I dont believe in styles...My comment is based on fact. If you would be a fighter you would understand me...SO you r not. So the fool is really you...
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! These guys they are fighting must be begginers or the amatuer champions....I see nothing put punching and impropper use of energy...No defensive what so ever....No root...maybe a little root...no tung sau..bung saus..nothing put chain punching...horrible....no wonder people don't take it seriously...this would not work in any ring or perhaps reality either...
Also consider this - Imho opinion WC is about your enemy not knowing you are able to fight. There are no rules, no right or wrong. When a fight is no longer avoidable you swarm your enemy with attacks. And I'm positive that going from 0 - 100 with knees, elbows, fists etc will shock most opponents completely. And THAT'S what makes it effective. In a match your opponents know you can fight - thus removing the element of surprise, and also that which makes it work at it's best.
I do love Wing Chun. But to all of you commenting on the Jimmy fight I'll give you credit for your point. Wing Chun is - in my oppinion - limited when it comes to competition. On the other hand, all types of styles or sports has got their own rules. And for this fight the rules was to use WC tecniques or punches - and he lost for not using it. Easy as one two three. He used the philosophy of it perfectly though. Full out relentless attack.
@bradontrann@snaketattoo13 Chinkyfag here. Brandon's right. This being a "sports" style competition, the analogy of judo is accurate. That's cuz it's a competition and every competition's got different rules. That Jimmy was awesome at that was undeniable. Thing is, the rules worked against him and in all honesty he was fighting a newb. It's true that Jimmy's use of WC philosophy in the fight was really good. @dimitrismad best defense is a good offense, go look at Krav Maga, great for women.
@Brandontrann Haha. No. If douggy and Jimmy went to Roy jones jar's training camp jones would never say. "don't hit me with that stuff Ur kicking my ass". He would grainy them. And if they did something else he would knock them out bad. These fucking chimneys get lost and their asses handed to them
isnt it funny how chunner say they dont do mma cause of all the rules that inhibit them... watch this video.. they deduct points from jimmy when he starts using boxing and beating the crap out of the chunner. They dont want him to use boxing. they want to inhibit what works.
lmfao..
i can guarantee if these chunners went into Pacquio's camp he would not say "don't use wc cause its beating me" He would just knock them the fuck out
If someone gets owned how can he be the winner? If wing chun is ideal for women self defense how can it be aggresive? As far as I can see the only person using the principals and stategy of wing chun was the Big american guy (Jim).
also i appologize for the enormous egos that alot of wc practioners have, its also a problem in my country too. i am not well liked in wc circles here because of my modern thinking but i am the only one that proved its worth in open competiton. i just try to be humble and learn what i can from people who are like minded and pass on what i have learned thus far. there is no top or bottom to martial arts its a constant journey to understand oneself. i enjoyed our conversation. peace
i do agree that boztepe and cheung both where ridiculous both spouting insults at one another, then boztepe attacks him at a seminar (not a fan of either) and completely disrespects the whole affair....silly and immature. but i disagree with your views wc tho but thats ok with me. all systems are limited by the practioners likes and dislikes....like religion they all are well meaning and perfect in their own way but is tainted by human misunderstanding. pro fighting is another ballgame. peace
@rashaile Yes all arts r limited. That's why mixing arts is preferable. Taking the strengths from several and combining is far better. But chunners refuse. They blindly say "we have ground fighting". No compared to bjj the r rudimentary and simplistic. They know nothing of ground. Not what they know or train.
This is one place chunners fail. Belief they r experts in all. When they r experts in none.
@snaketattoo13 i'll let u in on a little secret....not all of us who study wc have this attitude. years back i added kali stick fighting drills into my syllabus and i also have a background in a few mat arts (aikido and ju jitsu) so i have long blended those into "my" wc because evolution is a must. i used to have sparring matches years back with other stylists as well as tough street fighters and learned back then the value of "cross training. as a martial artist we need to explore all avenues
@snaketattoo13 a poster stated the 'real' history of wc and u scoffed at him saying it was invented soley by a woman. that is incorrect, it was actually invented by a few masters of their time (and yes a woman was one of em) to combat all exsisting kf systems of that time in order to achieve freedom from an oppressive regime. so in actuality wc is a product of mixing and has evolved and still will evolve. its just that not all practioners stay on the path of evolution but thats not wc fault.
it is unfortunate that alot of modern day martial artist have forgotton martial code and end up in "dick measuring contests" spouting out which is weak and inferior to their own system or style. arguing over MA is like arguing over world languages, each of us will express ourself differently from another. no one and nothing is absolute, each of us have something to contribute to this world wether you except this or not. this is life on the real. one day we wont need to fight anymore. peace
@rashaile but if you want to be the best fighter u can be u dont train in wc.. correct. i mean be honest.. it is so limited it rediculous.. so rigid and refusing to move forward..
look at boztepe and cheung fighting each other.. i mean first of absolutely no honor but second they both lost complete composure in the fight and fought like chunners.. horrible...?
its so sad to see the amount of animosity that is started when "debating" martial art styles and "masters". MA is supposed to be self defence or self improvement, it was never intended to be a sport but time changes some things. i myself am a WC teacher and more than a few of my students found themselves in a real life altercation. they "defended" themselves without injury and subdued their attackers without over doing it. my point is i dont teach people to pro fighters but to be citizens.
Ah it makes so Much sense. These guys did not try or they would have.... Lmfao. Yup so they held back and made themselves and wc look shit. Lmfao. That makes sense. So these guys r so much better they just wanted to look stupid
Oh and when boztepe and cheung fought for real they also agree to look like shit.
Snake, you truly dont know shit and you truly have no life if you reply to 3 of my comments on different videos that dont even relate to you.
Steven Jennum, obviously you dont know, is the niNjutsu fighter who won UFC 3.
I've spoken to real life Kung fu fighters and they know Jason Delucia is a fake. There were alot of people who wanted to make a quick buck in the old UFC.
Apparantly, the loser Jason is a 5 ancestors master....which is impossible because no one taught thatat the time in the US
And snake, i gave you the link to see the matches live but obviously, you're to inbred to accept being wrong for the 1,000,000th time in a single video lmfao.
Seriously, how can someone spend 1,000,000 comments into one video alone and several thousands more into others.
Seriously, get a life you freak. Everyone already hates you clown!
@hazza3 Wait. Jenum the cop. Hahaha. The stand in alternate. Hahaha. Ur such a loser.
Of course kf losers say Felicia was fake. Cause he got his ass kicked. But the invitation was open to anyone. The other kf were chicken shit. Arm chair masters.
Funny in brazil vale tudo has been going since the 1930's. I be willing to bet not a sing kf ever won in over 70 years. What a joke
Snake, you dont even know the real history of UFC. They added more rules because it was to violent. People wanted it banned. There were several fakes who also joined.
Guess what, a Ninja won UFC aswell.
In Kung fu tournaments, they used no protective gear or referees. UFC did use referees and protective gear.
The safest Kung Fu sport is Sanda and thats more violent than Muay Thai.
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@hazza3 No goof. Ufc did not add rules. U fucking bafoon. In order for it to be sanctioned and allowed in other states the athletic commissions got involved and implemented rules. Ufc or zufa now had to abide or got tits up. They did not want the rules.
No early ufc did not require any gear. Don't talk as if u know. No gear bitch. No gloves. No mouth pieces.
And no ninja won ufc u delusion fantasy bitch. Unless ur talking ninja rua. But he was not a kf bitch.
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@hazza3 But prove me wrong. Give me the name of a ninja that won ufc. I love idiots like u who spout shit. See this is where u punk out bitch. Since it did not happen u can name one. U will either run away.... Again. Or u will tell me "oh it's true. It is really true. IBM but it's not my job to show u". Fuck u bitch. If u say it prove it.
U fucking loser. Run. But don't come back with more excuses.
@hazza3 ur an idiot LOL. u watch too many kung fu movies it seems..sanda is nowhere near as violent as muay thai. not to mention MT is a waterd down version of Muay Boran. sanda is a shitty excuse for kung fu imo
@hazza3 Hahahaha. U don't watch films. U fucking lying tool. U keep referring me to films to make reference to ones speed and power. Ur opinion is clearly influenced by movies.
@hazza3 i see, but so does muay thai in actual thailand. and i rly hope ur not referring to me when u say "unlike some ppl u have a life" cuz i wud laugh pretty hard if thats wat u were aiming for lol.
@mspark89 Nah haha, that snake guy. He's been here for 2 years saying the same old insults when he gets owned.
Yeah Muay Thai Chaiya, they use the hemp rope instead of western gloves to fight. Or no gloves.
but its deemed an unsafe sport and one that is frowned on by many promoters. Sanda is the next most dangerous because they use no protective gear or they do use it but its only 2 or 4Oz gear(small enough to peel skin off)
Leung Ting has lost his mind. Why does he set up these fights and make his students fight a boxer under boxing rules? That's like making a gunslinger fight a Samurai after first taking his bullets away from him. Stupid!. This goes against everything Wing Tsun/Chun or whatever is supposed to be about. What a shameful and embarrassing display.
WTF? They switched person on Jimmy? Notice how the 1st guy who fought Jimmy is the tougher guy with a tank top, but as soon the break is over Jimmy has to fight someone with a T-shirt? WTF Man! WTF! They are completely different persons. That guy which look tough with the tank top should be ashame of himself, seriously. Very unmanly. >_< Where's the Naruto spirit?
Too many different styles just tend to crowd the mind. Those who do best in WC and any sport for that matter are those who can react without thinking in an effective manner. Mui Thai, WC, Western boxing, kickboxing, the idea is that you build your reflexes to go for the openings without a second thought.
This is a poor example of WC because when a train is hurtling in your direction, there's no way to stop it. Dough eventually started reseting the centerline, but the guy in red forgot..
@TubeandYouJ You really think so? Show me a person
All martial arts developed at some point....You think Wing Chun or Kung Fu fell out of the sky and has been in the same form ever since? These moves had to develop and evolve at some point and I think only the ultra-conservative people would have suggested these things crowded the minds of those who were expanding the MA.
Crowding the mind? I want to see evidence for that.
@Icannottolerateit Yes. Wc and Kung Fu have not evolved in a very long time. One of the things lee detested. Rigid and inflexible. For that it has been left behind. Needs to admit it short comings. Swallow pride. Go get beaten, again, in mma and learn.
Nope wc and kf absolutely fail to challenge themselves and that's why it's now so clearly inferior it relies on demos and choreography for polarity. Lord knows it ain't by defeating others
@snaketattoo13 That is why a kung fu master will not be a world champion fighter. They may be very flashy and they may be able to dominate the untrained fighter but that is about as far as it goes.
Of course if one is not learning the MA simply to be the best fighter that is acceptable too.
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@hazza3 It's funny. In early ufc almost no rules. Kf got destroyed. Then when commissions added rules kf, after knowing they can't win started saying things like"big difference between ring and street". Fucking funny thing was they lose with no rules or with so they make excuses.
Guys, the point is Wing Chun's effectiveness lies in the bursting and relaxation. The reason why its not utlised in MMA and UFC is because both bursting and relaxation is found in other martial arts, though its effective against normal people. Wing Chun fighters tends to lose to trained fighters in arts like muai tai, sanshou and freestyle karate for this very reason.
F.Q is a joke, in every style they train they just throw some random punches and win=S It's like every american action movie ever made. They don't even use WC or WT in this! No techniq what so ever! you can't compete in WC or WT!
indeed if you put 5 full trained guys against one he'll lose
but all the arts will prepare you for a fight against "normal" people
i was working as a security and i know what i'm talking about
if you are well prepared and you have a fight on the street against some jerks who want to robbbb you what ever you CAN kick their ass if you know how to
@snaketattoo13 PERFECT!! then you should know how to kick multiple asses
or dint you learn it?? was it just take out gun and start shooting everyone???probably not...so what would you do if there are 3 guys trying to "hurt"
you or someone else??? call the cops??? and please dont say that there are no ways
@dekker88 3 guys. Haha. Create distance. And ur fucking right. If I'm in uniform and I feel a threat of serious bodily harm or death from 3 attackers. I will shoot them.
@dekker88 Give me 2 other guys against anyone in the world. We will esily beat them. Wc being the easiest. Just one go high from side. One go low from back and the other throw strikes to keep distracted from from front. Take chunner down. And like a turtle on back. If he tries to do finger grabs then fair game. I will do same back. Times three guys of course. Easy
Exactly. People can talk all they want about training to beat multiple attackers but in reality, no art can guarantee that. Its completely moronic to assume that just cos your art claims it can do it, you really can.
The people who can beat multple guys are mostly tough street fighers who also do mauy thai, boxing etc. I know a few. It simply comes down to being tough and aggressive.
@womblewandering It also comes down to the skill of the attacker. More specifically the lack of skill. Give me 2 decent fighters and no one will beat them. That's life.
Also, i can name several street fighters who can beat multiple guys. Charles bronson the infamous prisoner who is a nutter. The famous uk gangsters THE KRAYS who ruled london in 60s. The krays did not do wc at all. They were renowned boxers who eventually became gangsters. Tyson another famous street fighter who does boxing.
To be a good street fighter, you have to be good with your fists which is your most basic tool. If one cant even master that then forget the rest lol
@dekker88 so it is used to "fight fast and effective against more than one enemy", but cannot cope with one guy throwing boxing punches? I don't get the sense of Wing Chun indeed ...
@sieuminh again the fight they show at the end is rubbish!!
1. they have ruels in this fight!!!!!!!! no art, system ! what ever! that is based on fighting without rules can be used in a fight WITH rules
have you ever seen a krav maga guy or ninjitsu fighter in a mma fight and being succesful??? NO because it is senseless as the fight at the end of this video! and if you take a closer look at the guy who is fighting doug you'll see that he is a slow and poor fighter.
ok guys get this straight wc is an art... they dont like to experiment with it they like it that way... its like a suicide.. why? cause u just want to be confident yourself to win.. anyway im a fan of manny pacman.. respect to all arts of fighting...
@freders1720 Ur right. Don't experiment. Don't see what really works. Just believe and surround urself with other chunners to feed of. And that is fucking suicide.
if the wing chun punch was trully effective it would be seen in boxing or MMA? Why is it that 99.99999 % of all MMA fighters learn boxing as their main punshing art instead of wing chun? Probably because wing chun doesn't work. wing chun is a joke.
@sergiomex1234 To say the least, you're very close minded.
I don't mind you having an opinion but calling Wing Chun, or any other martial art, a "Joke" and that it doesn't work is taking it a bit far. Just because things arn't used or do not seem useful in one thing, does not mean it is in another.
At the end of the day, it all comes down to the fighter and what he prefers.
if these guys are training for REAL street fightings why does it matter if its wing chun punches or boxing? in a real fight is someone gonna say "stop its not fair you are using boxing punches" ? HAHAHA get real. i love wing chun buyt this video is a joke and they are not training to fight they are training like its a game. I seen nothing but two guys throwing wiuld punches. no head movement....no slipping or weaving...no hooks..this was a joke
@ming746 Haha. Good point. But it's the chunners that make excuses. Boxers go into mma and get beat. But they try. Chunners r the ones saying "we r deadly the rules only stop us. It's a world wide conspiracy to prevent wc. Wc is best as long as u fight the way we want". Fucking joke
@snaketattoo13 boxers only lose in MMA because they fight under MMA rules. If the MMA guy got in the ring under boxing rules the boxer would win easy. Both are warriors and should be respected but the rules of the bought is what decides who wins. under boxing rules floyd mayweather would make fun of and destroy any MMA guy..under MMA rules any MMA guy would destroy mayweather...as far thw the wing chun guys go....i like wing chun but the guys in this video are idiots
@ming746 No shit Sherlock. Boxers r far away the best strikers with hands. Make chunners look like amatures. But in mma u can do what u want. Boxers have trouble with takedowns. When any style allowed, even wc, boxes can't dealbwith mma fighters. Nor can chunners. That's my point.
@ming746 Yes if only punching boxers win easy. But if u can use any style they don't. In mma it does not say u can't punch. U can strike any way u want. Point is only being able to punch leaves a weak link. Just like wc. Except their stupid strikes r less effective the boxers. And still no ground game
@raymondwong3 i dont think the teachers would be able to keep up with the stamina of the younger fighters. the teacher is respected as a vast well of knowledge that the student comes to "drink" from.
@raymondwong3 The "masters" suck to. U don't think these 25 year old guys who have lived this shit from Birth r not as good as they can be at this crap? Guys like gsp r not even 30 and 100X better then all these clowns including the "masters".
Nah, Joe wouldnt lie about that. In conbat magazine he said Bruce Lee would always say if i say im the best you will think im boasting and if i say im not you'll know im lying.
Joe said Lee said it more than once as far as i remember.
Rowan ur lying again. How do u know what lee told Lewis. Keep making shit up. But u can certainly find where Lewis said he taught lee that lee's kicks were weak. And u can see where Norris agreed. But nowhere can u find lee talking to Lewis and saying lee was best. See that is a lie. Unless u were there. Again ur a proven liar
Lee told Joe Lewis Bruce lee was the best fighter. Joe never diagreed. Lee told Lewis if he said he wasnt the best fighter, Joe would know he was lying.
i checked it out and Joe Lewis never said any bad stuff about bruce when he was alive. ONly said Lee was by far the greatest and most intelligent fighter he ever worked out with. Also said no one could nail Lee with a punch.
@rowanatkin Wow I looked it up elsworth never said that. Lewis said "lee was not a fighter". When lee was alive Lewis showed him in person he was not great. Lewis told lee he had weak kicks. Lee knew Lewis was better and right and learned from his master. No lee was not the best fighter. Probaly good but not the best. Not even close. No one ever said he was. Show us where to find elseworth or anyone saying lee was the "best fighter". I bet u can't source it!
I saw many of these series before in the discovery channel, and I can't say they are the best or truly representative. When they spar, they almost always revert to punches, and it almost always looks like a boxing match. Besides, let's face it, 5 days of training.. takes more than five days to learn a style, and years to not have to think about it, so I wouldn't be hasty and jump to conclusions from this Production.
@groovyome Remember, a tool is only as good as the person using it. That said, someone with many tools has a greater chance to prevail over a person with one. There are also factors like how good someone is with their tools.
@Chainer0 Someone who has many tools usually has no good tools. One who perfects a tool and can implement it has more success. That is why wc masters like boztepe and chung suck in real fights
@Chainer0 They were both masters. Chung considered one of the best. Trained with lee under yip. Boztepe self proclaimed master and well sought after instructor. Both sucked shit when in real fight.
definitely agreed. a spar should not be counted by style but rather effective striking and control. but since it is a sport you are still limited to those moves. like you can't kick in a boxing match. the rules are tighter but you get my point.
to be restricted in one style is like trying to fight with one arm.
heh. Could have been fun getting you in trouble, but really, I could care less. Its really sad, if its true, that someone who is supposed to be of a higher caliber of morality, acts like a common thug... and wastes time playing internet badboy instead of taking care of real business. Hats off the the real heros, who take their job seriously, and act like grown men.
@xiaou2 So let me get this straight it's ok for u to act like a mental patient with delusional thoughts of cospiracies and high level killer criminal organizations. But I as a cop can't say the truth that no one ever said lee was the best fighter? Ya u make sense.
@snaketattoo13 - Idiot. There is no such thing as the Best fighter. He was one of the top fighters for his day, and certainly better than the MMA guys you suck up too. But compared to the more ancient Chinese fighters, he wasnt too comparable. The only mental patient here is you. BTW - Get off your daddys computer before you get him into trouble.
@xiaou2 Oh lee was so great? Really name one real fighter he beat? Not in movies either. Hahaha. U can't By the way I don't even use a computer. But if it makes u feel better u can make immature childish remarks
I bet ur such a delusional idiot u believe in deth touches etc. Right
leung ting just got his ass kicked by two guys who trained 1 week only
safet215 3 weeks ago
jimmy's not using wing chun! boooooooooo
iankillerbeebriones 3 weeks ago
He won because of "better wing chun form" ROFL.
Apparently, if you get your teeth knocked out you are a winner in wing chun as long as you do your silly kung fu moves. hahahhahaa
hnti 4 weeks ago
@Trannization wing chun is pretty good (dont let youtube fighters tell you otherwise)
The you have kajukenbo, krav maga (my personal favorite) and less known arts like jeet kune do or kook wool son.
masterknaster 1 month ago
@masterknaster Yes good in some situations , clearly not so superior or you would see it used in the cage alot more im mma ..... ohh and its KUK SOOL WON lolll ....... and to the uploader whats up with diffrent sound levels on each vid ?
whatugundo 1 month ago
@whatugundo the guy was talking about self defense and not MMA, you don't need Krav Maga in MMA obviously but maybe you should READ before responding. And OOOOOHHH NOOOOO I MADE A MISTAKE WRITING A FUCKING KOREAN NAME!!!! THE WORLD WILL END!!!! Jeez fucking youtube warriors. And also you could at least show some apreciation for the uploader and not just criticise him.
masterknaster 1 month ago
@masterknaster THATS WHY I SAID IN SOME SITUATIONS IT IS GOOD are you that dumb ??? really ? i said its not that superior as its not used in the most hard to master sport mma where you can use a RANGE of diffrent styles as many as you can learn .... youtube warrior ?? what the fuck your a lost kid ... i just corrected you ?? SORRY BOSS and it wernt the spelling it was the fail .... neway carry on going on like the master of all martial arts and when you get floored 1 day remeber this :D
whatugundo 1 month ago
@whatugundo The mma comparison is just wrong. Of course you're not going to see Krav Maga techniques because they focus on striking vital points and 90% of the techniques are illegal in the SPORT of MMA. Self defense techniques focus on real life events and not a 3 round fight against an opponent you know. MMA techniques don't work as well in self defense where you are dealing with weapons.
masterknaster 1 month ago 2
The fights are staged (especially the first one).
MisterLovahLovah 1 month ago
where's the wooden dummy part ? i used to watch some clips about this episode that i can't find here .
internetmaster1 1 month ago
what do u guys think is the most effective martial arts for everyday encounters. do you wing chun would be one of the top ones?
Trannization 1 month ago
having watched several of FQ videos, I think there's a tendency. If the system in question is a sport where people routinely fight to win, and fight people from other clubs and countries, the presenters get destroyed. See judo, taekwondo, kyokushin. No contest.
But if the system is "street" or "real", with no international competitions, you can't really tell the difference between the trained guys and the presenters. See Krav Maga, Wing Chun, etc.
With all due respect, something is amiss there
ennot 1 month ago
i like when leung ting said, jimmy do good combination, but is not wing chun hahahhahahahahahahahahaha, with that combination he win hahahhahaa, two guy with one week of training!!!!!, i love the wing chun
negvich 2 months ago
why is everyone hating on the fight it is based on wing chun so u have to use it its like going inot a boxing match and then using muay thai
tanma87 2 months ago
they're having a wing chun sparring match
not an international martial arts match
so yeah the big guy had to use wing chun, which he didn't and made him look bad
btw the master in human weapon for wing chun was more skillful then these masters
then again, there are different branches of wing chun thus different styles ughh -_-'
francys1426 3 months ago
I dont get this video at all. Why couldnt the big guy use his boxing or grappling?
Hes not a wing chun man so why is he forced to fight like one? Its like telling the wing chun guy to fight like a boxer and penalise him if he uses wing chun techniqies. They just wanted the boxers to lose.
Maybe I should watch part 1? It does nothing for wing chun though does it?
Its basically showing that wing chun cant beat boxing techniques or deal with grappling/clinching.
I love wing chun, but come on...
SkemeKOS 3 months ago
@SkemeKOS They are there to learn wing chun. not to beat up ppl from other styles. This is the final test to see if they actually learned any wing chun
veshkeat 3 months ago
@veshkeat
Yeah I know. I watched it from the start immediately after I wrote my last comment. Great show.
SkemeKOS 3 months ago
@SkemeKOS cause the fight was highly based on style
tanma87 2 months ago
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@Parazyne it is based on a true story so it is real.
xwete95 4 months ago
I don't understand the comments about how bad Wing Chun is? I don't see ANY WC in this video. Fight Quest was a cool show and they beat and lost to guys that did different styles. What's the point of this if the guy that's supposed to be doing WC isn't doing any? Get anyone in the ring or a contest and claim they fight a certain style and see if they actually use it. If they do, and they are any good at it, then crituque what is good or bad about that style.
tgreer0120 6 months ago
@tgreer0120 point is if these guys went to roy jones Jr's camp and learned boxing then sparred at the end they would get knocked out in 20 seconds..... where as here the chunners show how bad the art is. watch other episodes where they do bjj, jodo etc and get owned....
wc sucks..
snaketattoo13 6 months ago
@snaketattoo13, there's no point to what you're saying, other than that you get your opinion based on one FQ episode, youtube videos of frauds claiming they do WC, and conjecture. The fact you believe that the study of WC will result in someone automatically losing, shows your bias and ignorance. You should realize if someone sucks at a style or in general, that guy sucks, not necessarily the art they claim to be skilled in. Those guys were not, and the fact you don't know that doesn't help you.
tgreer0120 6 months ago
Anyway, the second I see someone use a term like "chunners" & automatically acts derogatory about people that study styles you personally don't like & just start churning out generic nonsense & blanket statements, it's probably time to tune you out. I'm fine with debating and I love everything about martial arts. There are really good people out there, and more really bad one's. Unless you're legitimately studied with someone that knew what they were doing, then you have no true or valid point.
tgreer0120 6 months ago
and i like how the pathetic wc fools hold the chunner's hand up as if he won.. hahahahahaahahahahah what a fucking joke
snaketattoo13 7 months ago
all chunners can make all the excuses they want. but put jimmy and douggy in with roy jones jr or any boxer and they would get their asses kicked. Here they pound on thses pathetic chunners. Bull shit about adapting and street figting. if u get ur ass handed ilke this with gloves and head gear it would only be worse on the street....
snaketattoo13 7 months ago
the chunners got their fucking asses kicked
snaketattoo13 7 months ago
martial arts are about self defense and if u notice part of the training showed how short fast wc punches were effective in a confrontation of multiple people
if WC was put in a cage or ring it would have to adapt to that environment which isnt accurate self defense bc they would modify the purpose of the art and have to watch take downs ( i think this is why bruce lee left and took the knowledge of it)
i am not a WC practitioner just a mma/kickboxing/judo/ and now getting into hapkido
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@v4nce01 "if WC was put in a cage or ring it would have to adapt to that environment which isnt accurate self defense bc they would modify the purpose of the art and have to watch take downs"
Oh, are take downs illegal in a street fight? I did not know that... I'll bet all BJJ and Wrestling techniques are illegal in a REAL street fight too, right?
Ljenkins9000 7 months ago
on a side note i took lessons with a pro boxer to help my stand up and he told me he used to intimidate his opponents with short straight punches (pretty much exact WC style) more like a combo jab - cross- angle to the left or right and do 4 short straight punches and on the way out throw a left hook. try it on the bag then do it when sparring.......
v4nce01 7 months ago
wing chun is garbage and loses again.
AlleNamenSindWeg 8 months ago
I rly rly doubt the red headed guy is a wing chun fighter... this is only boxing...
banheden 9 months ago
Jimmy is a goof.
rickyfalcon 9 months ago
@rickyfalcon
LOL!
Babylonthegreat 9 months ago
For stand up fighting like this, a Muay Thai fighter would knock this easily out. The constant pressure is not really a great move as you never know if you are walking into a fist as you see in this video.
minasz 10 months ago
@minasz don't compare one style of martial art to another. centuries of pain, blood, sweats have been spend upon them. its not the style its the artist you fool.
yusha33 9 months ago
@yusha33 Im not comparing styles, I dont believe in styles...My comment is based on fact. If you would be a fighter you would understand me...SO you r not. So the fool is really you...
minasz 9 months ago
Very good Wing Kid in the School Yard Chun people....good lord.
matreyia 10 months ago
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dzhang1991 10 months ago
"Good, Good, Doug, Good, good, 1234, good, 34 doug, good, good , good, good"
STFU with the good
VxNeoBladexV 10 months ago 2
@VxNeoBladexV Exactly what I was thinking! xD
maysonseyebrow 8 months ago
So...the rules here are that you have to use wing chun more to win...?
I thought the rules of a fight were to kick the other guy's ass...
twobitmage 10 months ago
The guy in the white shirt needs to shut up during the fight. "good Doug" "Good doug".... shut up!!
gt198gtr 11 months ago
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! These guys they are fighting must be begginers or the amatuer champions....I see nothing put punching and impropper use of energy...No defensive what so ever....No root...maybe a little root...no tung sau..bung saus..nothing put chain punching...horrible....no wonder people don't take it seriously...this would not work in any ring or perhaps reality either...
kikme420 11 months ago
time to learn wing chun
thebtran1 1 year ago
Also consider this - Imho opinion WC is about your enemy not knowing you are able to fight. There are no rules, no right or wrong. When a fight is no longer avoidable you swarm your enemy with attacks. And I'm positive that going from 0 - 100 with knees, elbows, fists etc will shock most opponents completely. And THAT'S what makes it effective. In a match your opponents know you can fight - thus removing the element of surprise, and also that which makes it work at it's best.
Best regards,
/M
Mattiasgbg 1 year ago
@Mattiasgbg Watch the movie "Ip Man"
xwete95 1 year ago 2
I do love Wing Chun. But to all of you commenting on the Jimmy fight I'll give you credit for your point. Wing Chun is - in my oppinion - limited when it comes to competition. On the other hand, all types of styles or sports has got their own rules. And for this fight the rules was to use WC tecniques or punches - and he lost for not using it. Easy as one two three. He used the philosophy of it perfectly though. Full out relentless attack.
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Mattiasgbg 1 year ago
@bradontrann @snaketattoo13 Chinkyfag here. Brandon's right. This being a "sports" style competition, the analogy of judo is accurate. That's cuz it's a competition and every competition's got different rules. That Jimmy was awesome at that was undeniable. Thing is, the rules worked against him and in all honesty he was fighting a newb. It's true that Jimmy's use of WC philosophy in the fight was really good. @dimitrismad best defense is a good offense, go look at Krav Maga, great for women.
bigdaddy843 1 year ago
@Brandontrann Haha. No. If douggy and Jimmy went to Roy jones jar's training camp jones would never say. "don't hit me with that stuff Ur kicking my ass". He would grainy them. And if they did something else he would knock them out bad. These fucking chimneys get lost and their asses handed to them
snaketattoo13 1 year ago
isnt it funny how chunner say they dont do mma cause of all the rules that inhibit them... watch this video.. they deduct points from jimmy when he starts using boxing and beating the crap out of the chunner. They dont want him to use boxing. they want to inhibit what works.
lmfao..
i can guarantee if these chunners went into Pacquio's camp he would not say "don't use wc cause its beating me" He would just knock them the fuck out
snaketattoo13 1 year ago
If someone gets owned how can he be the winner? If wing chun is ideal for women self defense how can it be aggresive? As far as I can see the only person using the principals and stategy of wing chun was the Big american guy (Jim).
Respect to all.
dimitrismad 1 year ago
also i appologize for the enormous egos that alot of wc practioners have, its also a problem in my country too. i am not well liked in wc circles here because of my modern thinking but i am the only one that proved its worth in open competiton. i just try to be humble and learn what i can from people who are like minded and pass on what i have learned thus far. there is no top or bottom to martial arts its a constant journey to understand oneself. i enjoyed our conversation. peace
rashaile 1 year ago
i do agree that boztepe and cheung both where ridiculous both spouting insults at one another, then boztepe attacks him at a seminar (not a fan of either) and completely disrespects the whole affair....silly and immature. but i disagree with your views wc tho but thats ok with me. all systems are limited by the practioners likes and dislikes....like religion they all are well meaning and perfect in their own way but is tainted by human misunderstanding. pro fighting is another ballgame. peace
rashaile 1 year ago
@rashaile Yes all arts r limited. That's why mixing arts is preferable. Taking the strengths from several and combining is far better. But chunners refuse. They blindly say "we have ground fighting". No compared to bjj the r rudimentary and simplistic. They know nothing of ground. Not what they know or train.
This is one place chunners fail. Belief they r experts in all. When they r experts in none.
Absolutely fatal
snaketattoo13 1 year ago
@snaketattoo13 i'll let u in on a little secret....not all of us who study wc have this attitude. years back i added kali stick fighting drills into my syllabus and i also have a background in a few mat arts (aikido and ju jitsu) so i have long blended those into "my" wc because evolution is a must. i used to have sparring matches years back with other stylists as well as tough street fighters and learned back then the value of "cross training. as a martial artist we need to explore all avenues
rashaile 1 year ago
@rashaile well sir, if you implement all those I commend you for it. Mixing arts is the way to go....
snaketattoo13 1 year ago
@snaketattoo13 a poster stated the 'real' history of wc and u scoffed at him saying it was invented soley by a woman. that is incorrect, it was actually invented by a few masters of their time (and yes a woman was one of em) to combat all exsisting kf systems of that time in order to achieve freedom from an oppressive regime. so in actuality wc is a product of mixing and has evolved and still will evolve. its just that not all practioners stay on the path of evolution but thats not wc fault.
rashaile 1 year ago
it is unfortunate that alot of modern day martial artist have forgotton martial code and end up in "dick measuring contests" spouting out which is weak and inferior to their own system or style. arguing over MA is like arguing over world languages, each of us will express ourself differently from another. no one and nothing is absolute, each of us have something to contribute to this world wether you except this or not. this is life on the real. one day we wont need to fight anymore. peace
rashaile 1 year ago 2
@rashaile but if you want to be the best fighter u can be u dont train in wc.. correct. i mean be honest.. it is so limited it rediculous.. so rigid and refusing to move forward..
look at boztepe and cheung fighting each other.. i mean first of absolutely no honor but second they both lost complete composure in the fight and fought like chunners.. horrible...?
am i wrong?
snaketattoo13 1 year ago
its so sad to see the amount of animosity that is started when "debating" martial art styles and "masters". MA is supposed to be self defence or self improvement, it was never intended to be a sport but time changes some things. i myself am a WC teacher and more than a few of my students found themselves in a real life altercation. they "defended" themselves without injury and subdued their attackers without over doing it. my point is i dont teach people to pro fighters but to be citizens.
rashaile 1 year ago
Ah it makes so Much sense. These guys did not try or they would have.... Lmfao. Yup so they held back and made themselves and wc look shit. Lmfao. That makes sense. So these guys r so much better they just wanted to look stupid
Oh and when boztepe and cheung fought for real they also agree to look like shit.
Fuck off chunner. More excuses
snaketattoo13 1 year ago
Snake, you truly dont know shit and you truly have no life if you reply to 3 of my comments on different videos that dont even relate to you.
Steven Jennum, obviously you dont know, is the niNjutsu fighter who won UFC 3.
I've spoken to real life Kung fu fighters and they know Jason Delucia is a fake. There were alot of people who wanted to make a quick buck in the old UFC.
Apparantly, the loser Jason is a 5 ancestors master....which is impossible because no one taught thatat the time in the US
hazza3 1 year ago
You love idiots who spout their mouths? well obviously you love yourself then because a fagot who knows nothing like you can never be wrong lmfao.
Get a life you 40 year old freak.
hazza3 1 year ago
And snake, i gave you the link to see the matches live but obviously, you're to inbred to accept being wrong for the 1,000,000th time in a single video lmfao.
Seriously, how can someone spend 1,000,000 comments into one video alone and several thousands more into others.
Seriously, get a life you freak. Everyone already hates you clown!
hazza3 1 year ago
@hazza3 Wait. Jenum the cop. Hahaha. The stand in alternate. Hahaha. Ur such a loser.
Of course kf losers say Felicia was fake. Cause he got his ass kicked. But the invitation was open to anyone. The other kf were chicken shit. Arm chair masters.
Funny in brazil vale tudo has been going since the 1930's. I be willing to bet not a sing kf ever won in over 70 years. What a joke
snaketattoo13 1 year ago
Snake, you dont even know the real history of UFC. They added more rules because it was to violent. People wanted it banned. There were several fakes who also joined.
Guess what, a Ninja won UFC aswell.
In Kung fu tournaments, they used no protective gear or referees. UFC did use referees and protective gear.
The safest Kung Fu sport is Sanda and thats more violent than Muay Thai.
hazza3 1 year ago 2
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@hazza3 No goof. Ufc did not add rules. U fucking bafoon. In order for it to be sanctioned and allowed in other states the athletic commissions got involved and implemented rules. Ufc or zufa now had to abide or got tits up. They did not want the rules.
No early ufc did not require any gear. Don't talk as if u know. No gear bitch. No gloves. No mouth pieces.
And no ninja won ufc u delusion fantasy bitch. Unless ur talking ninja rua. But he was not a kf bitch.
Try Jason delucia hmm lost
snaketattoo13 1 year ago
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@hazza3 But prove me wrong. Give me the name of a ninja that won ufc. I love idiots like u who spout shit. See this is where u punk out bitch. Since it did not happen u can name one. U will either run away.... Again. Or u will tell me "oh it's true. It is really true. IBM but it's not my job to show u". Fuck u bitch. If u say it prove it.
U fucking loser. Run. But don't come back with more excuses.
snaketattoo13 1 year ago
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@hazza3 Bitch. Did u get knocked out or run away in ur huge new Zealand mma match.
Lmfao.
snaketattoo13 1 year ago
@hazza3 ur an idiot LOL. u watch too many kung fu movies it seems..sanda is nowhere near as violent as muay thai. not to mention MT is a waterd down version of Muay Boran. sanda is a shitty excuse for kung fu imo
mspark89 1 year ago
@mspark89 Nope, i dont watch many films. Unlike some people i have a life.
Sanda compared to most modern sports is far more violent because it uses less rules.
The only other kickboxing sport that is, unfortunately becoming to dangerous to allow is Muay Thai Caiya.
hazza3 1 year ago
@hazza3 Hahahaha. U don't watch films. U fucking lying tool. U keep referring me to films to make reference to ones speed and power. Ur opinion is clearly influenced by movies.
Ur an idiot
snaketattoo13 1 year ago
@hazza3 i see, but so does muay thai in actual thailand. and i rly hope ur not referring to me when u say "unlike some ppl u have a life" cuz i wud laugh pretty hard if thats wat u were aiming for lol.
mspark89 1 year ago
@mspark89 Nah haha, that snake guy. He's been here for 2 years saying the same old insults when he gets owned.
Yeah Muay Thai Chaiya, they use the hemp rope instead of western gloves to fight. Or no gloves.
but its deemed an unsafe sport and one that is frowned on by many promoters. Sanda is the next most dangerous because they use no protective gear or they do use it but its only 2 or 4Oz gear(small enough to peel skin off)
hazza3 1 year ago
Leung Ting has lost his mind. Why does he set up these fights and make his students fight a boxer under boxing rules? That's like making a gunslinger fight a Samurai after first taking his bullets away from him. Stupid!. This goes against everything Wing Tsun/Chun or whatever is supposed to be about. What a shameful and embarrassing display.
theprettyturtles 1 year ago
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dynamho 1 year ago
BOTH did awesome..
They must be proud after learning this for 5 days only.
towerguarder 1 year ago
The Wing Chung fighter does not seems that high level.
MrPccm 1 year ago
WTF? They switched person on Jimmy? Notice how the 1st guy who fought Jimmy is the tougher guy with a tank top, but as soon the break is over Jimmy has to fight someone with a T-shirt? WTF Man! WTF! They are completely different persons. That guy which look tough with the tank top should be ashame of himself, seriously. Very unmanly. >_< Where's the Naruto spirit?
nchang227 1 year ago
Too many different styles just tend to crowd the mind. Those who do best in WC and any sport for that matter are those who can react without thinking in an effective manner. Mui Thai, WC, Western boxing, kickboxing, the idea is that you build your reflexes to go for the openings without a second thought.
This is a poor example of WC because when a train is hurtling in your direction, there's no way to stop it. Dough eventually started reseting the centerline, but the guy in red forgot..
TubeandYouJ 1 year ago
@TubeandYouJ You really think so? Show me a person
All martial arts developed at some point....You think Wing Chun or Kung Fu fell out of the sky and has been in the same form ever since? These moves had to develop and evolve at some point and I think only the ultra-conservative people would have suggested these things crowded the minds of those who were expanding the MA.
Crowding the mind? I want to see evidence for that.
Icannottolerateit 1 year ago
@Icannottolerateit Yes. Wc and Kung Fu have not evolved in a very long time. One of the things lee detested. Rigid and inflexible. For that it has been left behind. Needs to admit it short comings. Swallow pride. Go get beaten, again, in mma and learn.
Nope wc and kf absolutely fail to challenge themselves and that's why it's now so clearly inferior it relies on demos and choreography for polarity. Lord knows it ain't by defeating others
snaketattoo13 1 year ago
@snaketattoo13 That is why a kung fu master will not be a world champion fighter. They may be very flashy and they may be able to dominate the untrained fighter but that is about as far as it goes.
Of course if one is not learning the MA simply to be the best fighter that is acceptable too.
Icannottolerateit 1 year ago
@Icannottolerateit I agree with u. To be the beat fighter u do not just train kf.
snaketattoo13 1 year ago
@Icannottolerateit Big difference between tournament fighting and self defense fighting.
In tournaments, you fight in divisions, weight classes and rules.
In self defense, it doesnt matter.Those flashy moves are also very effective when used right.
Not all KF uses flashy moves. Look at Sanda, Qin Na and Hung Gar. Hell, when peopel want a more legal and aggressive sport, they fight Sanda rules.
hazza3 1 year ago
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@hazza3 Hey how'd ur fight go ass. Bet u lost!
snaketattoo13 1 year ago
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@hazza3 It's funny. In early ufc almost no rules. Kf got destroyed. Then when commissions added rules kf, after knowing they can't win started saying things like"big difference between ring and street". Fucking funny thing was they lose with no rules or with so they make excuses.
I love it
snaketattoo13 1 year ago
Guys, the point is Wing Chun's effectiveness lies in the bursting and relaxation. The reason why its not utlised in MMA and UFC is because both bursting and relaxation is found in other martial arts, though its effective against normal people. Wing Chun fighters tends to lose to trained fighters in arts like muai tai, sanshou and freestyle karate for this very reason.
Lukeclout 1 year ago
@Lukeclout I agree. Good point
snaketattoo13 1 year ago
F.Q is a joke, in every style they train they just throw some random punches and win=S It's like every american action movie ever made. They don't even use WC or WT in this! No techniq what so ever! you can't compete in WC or WT!
tric87 1 year ago
@tric87
its hard to master a style or a fight system in 5 days or a week
and also the size and power matters a lot
so the American have a better advantage with their body
DevilD07 1 year ago
@tric87 funny then that these Wing Chun masters couldn't use their "proper techniques" to overcome some random punches?
sieuminh 1 year ago
@sieuminh Yeah, that was kind of dissappointing... looked like two untrained people fighting.
martjalartistvannabe 1 year ago
Jimmy spent 5 days learning wing chun and ended up using boxing LOLLOLOLL
c3m3nth3ad 1 year ago
@c3m3nth3ad And jimmy beat the shit out of a chunner who's been doing it fir over 29 yrs. Haha
snaketattoo13 1 year ago
guys you haven'T understooood the sense of wc
it's not a sport where you can do sparring wc doesn't have any rules
thats why you never see wc or krav maga e.g. in mma fights what ever!
look it the other way round have you ever seen a hip throw or a double leg td in a street fight with like 4-5 guys ?? no because it would be stupi
d i dont like wc but i see the sense of it
and this system is to fight fast and effective against more than one enemy
dekker88 1 year ago
@dekker88 Actually movies r nice. No art is effective against multiple people. Sorry.
snaketattoo13 1 year ago
@snaketattoo13
sorry for that but you are wrong
indeed if you put 5 full trained guys against one he'll lose
but all the arts will prepare you for a fight against "normal" people
i was working as a security and i know what i'm talking about
if you are well prepared and you have a fight on the street against some jerks who want to robbbb you what ever you CAN kick their ass if you know how to
dekker88 1 year ago
@dekker88 Wow security. And so
Often in security people attack people in masses at wal mart.
snaketattoo13 1 year ago
@dekker88 And I've been a cop for almost 18 years. Ur point?
snaketattoo13 1 year ago
@snaketattoo13 PERFECT!! then you should know how to kick multiple asses
or dint you learn it?? was it just take out gun and start shooting everyone???probably not...so what would you do if there are 3 guys trying to "hurt"
you or someone else??? call the cops??? and please dont say that there are no ways
dekker88 1 year ago
@dekker88 I learn and teach multiple attacker senarios. But in real situation harder then in training
snaketattoo13 1 year ago
@dekker88 3 guys. Haha. Create distance. And ur fucking right. If I'm in uniform and I feel a threat of serious bodily harm or death from 3 attackers. I will shoot them.
snaketattoo13 1 year ago
@dekker88 Give me 2 other guys against anyone in the world. We will esily beat them. Wc being the easiest. Just one go high from side. One go low from back and the other throw strikes to keep distracted from from front. Take chunner down. And like a turtle on back. If he tries to do finger grabs then fair game. I will do same back. Times three guys of course. Easy
snaketattoo13 1 year ago
@snaketattoo13
Exactly. People can talk all they want about training to beat multiple attackers but in reality, no art can guarantee that. Its completely moronic to assume that just cos your art claims it can do it, you really can.
The people who can beat multple guys are mostly tough street fighers who also do mauy thai, boxing etc. I know a few. It simply comes down to being tough and aggressive.
womblewandering 1 year ago
@womblewandering It also comes down to the skill of the attacker. More specifically the lack of skill. Give me 2 decent fighters and no one will beat them. That's life.
snaketattoo13 1 year ago
@snaketattoo13
Also, i can name several street fighters who can beat multiple guys. Charles bronson the infamous prisoner who is a nutter. The famous uk gangsters THE KRAYS who ruled london in 60s. The krays did not do wc at all. They were renowned boxers who eventually became gangsters. Tyson another famous street fighter who does boxing.
To be a good street fighter, you have to be good with your fists which is your most basic tool. If one cant even master that then forget the rest lol
womblewandering 1 year ago
@dekker88 so it is used to "fight fast and effective against more than one enemy", but cannot cope with one guy throwing boxing punches? I don't get the sense of Wing Chun indeed ...
sieuminh 1 year ago
@sieuminh again the fight they show at the end is rubbish!!
1. they have ruels in this fight!!!!!!!! no art, system ! what ever! that is based on fighting without rules can be used in a fight WITH rules
have you ever seen a krav maga guy or ninjitsu fighter in a mma fight and being succesful??? NO because it is senseless as the fight at the end of this video! and if you take a closer look at the guy who is fighting doug you'll see that he is a slow and poor fighter.
dekker88 1 year ago
ok guys get this straight wc is an art... they dont like to experiment with it they like it that way... its like a suicide.. why? cause u just want to be confident yourself to win.. anyway im a fan of manny pacman.. respect to all arts of fighting...
freders1720 1 year ago
@freders1720 Ur right. Don't experiment. Don't see what really works. Just believe and surround urself with other chunners to feed of. And that is fucking suicide.
snaketattoo13 1 year ago
if the wing chun punch was trully effective it would be seen in boxing or MMA? Why is it that 99.99999 % of all MMA fighters learn boxing as their main punshing art instead of wing chun? Probably because wing chun doesn't work. wing chun is a joke.
sergiomex1234 1 year ago
@sergiomex1234 U r right. But chunners close their eyes and make excuses instead of embracing the limitations and moving forward
snaketattoo13 1 year ago
@sergiomex1234 To say the least, you're very close minded.
I don't mind you having an opinion but calling Wing Chun, or any other martial art, a "Joke" and that it doesn't work is taking it a bit far. Just because things arn't used or do not seem useful in one thing, does not mean it is in another.
At the end of the day, it all comes down to the fighter and what he prefers.
LeonLok 1 year ago
@sergiomex1234 Dont forget wing chun was initially invented by a women to fend off aggressors. Its not a art form nor a boxing martial arts.
websaint 1 year ago
@websaint It's not an evolving form when idiots can't admit they lack in certain areas. Like ground. Or good striking
snaketattoo13 1 year ago
@sergiomex1234 the reason is simple, becos MMA fighters need power more than anything else to KO opponents ..
simazhongda 1 year ago
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sergiomex1234 1 year ago
if these guys are training for REAL street fightings why does it matter if its wing chun punches or boxing? in a real fight is someone gonna say "stop its not fair you are using boxing punches" ? HAHAHA get real. i love wing chun buyt this video is a joke and they are not training to fight they are training like its a game. I seen nothing but two guys throwing wiuld punches. no head movement....no slipping or weaving...no hooks..this was a joke
ming746 1 year ago
@ming746 Haha. Good point. But it's the chunners that make excuses. Boxers go into mma and get beat. But they try. Chunners r the ones saying "we r deadly the rules only stop us. It's a world wide conspiracy to prevent wc. Wc is best as long as u fight the way we want". Fucking joke
snaketattoo13 1 year ago
@snaketattoo13 boxers only lose in MMA because they fight under MMA rules. If the MMA guy got in the ring under boxing rules the boxer would win easy. Both are warriors and should be respected but the rules of the bought is what decides who wins. under boxing rules floyd mayweather would make fun of and destroy any MMA guy..under MMA rules any MMA guy would destroy mayweather...as far thw the wing chun guys go....i like wing chun but the guys in this video are idiots
ming746 1 year ago
@ming746 No shit Sherlock. Boxers r far away the best strikers with hands. Make chunners look like amatures. But in mma u can do what u want. Boxers have trouble with takedowns. When any style allowed, even wc, boxes can't dealbwith mma fighters. Nor can chunners. That's my point.
snaketattoo13 1 year ago
@ming746 Yes if only punching boxers win easy. But if u can use any style they don't. In mma it does not say u can't punch. U can strike any way u want. Point is only being able to punch leaves a weak link. Just like wc. Except their stupid strikes r less effective the boxers. And still no ground game
snaketattoo13 1 year ago
@spitfirelina Ya. What's ur point?
snaketattoo13 1 year ago
i want to see the masters fight lol, the kids fighting are prolly new at this so it make em look good : (
raymondwong3 1 year ago
@raymondwong3 i dont think the teachers would be able to keep up with the stamina of the younger fighters. the teacher is respected as a vast well of knowledge that the student comes to "drink" from.
v33punk 1 year ago
@v33punk true but based on technique man,, u should see my sifu its insane
DotaHelm 1 year ago
@DotaHelm i hear you, bro! mteacher is half my size but man!!!
v33punk 1 year ago
@raymondwong3 The "masters" suck to. U don't think these 25 year old guys who have lived this shit from Birth r not as good as they can be at this crap? Guys like gsp r not even 30 and 100X better then all these clowns including the "masters".
snaketattoo13 1 year ago
Long Punches, lol(boxing rules!)... bow
VicJones01 1 year ago
@VicJones01 Getting knocked the fuck out. That's wc
snaketattoo13 1 year ago
@snaketattoo13,
Joe never even said it once if i recollect correctly. The triad on the ETD set did though and got a beating for his troubles.
Whereas Bruce Lee said Bruce lee was the best to Joe countless times.
rowanatkin 1 year ago
@rowanatkin See ur a lying piece of shit fanboy. U can't even admit what Lewis said.
Joe Lewis "lee was not a fighter". Now swear on ur mothers life u have notread that ever before. Weather Lewis said it before or after lee died.
snaketattoo13 1 year ago
Nah, Joe wouldnt lie about that. In conbat magazine he said Bruce Lee would always say if i say im the best you will think im boasting and if i say im not you'll know im lying.
Joe said Lee said it more than once as far as i remember.
rowanatkin 1 year ago
@rowanatkin Tell me how many times did Lewis say "lee was not a fighter?"
snaketattoo13 1 year ago
Rowan ur lying again. How do u know what lee told Lewis. Keep making shit up. But u can certainly find where Lewis said he taught lee that lee's kicks were weak. And u can see where Norris agreed. But nowhere can u find lee talking to Lewis and saying lee was best. See that is a lie. Unless u were there. Again ur a proven liar
snaketattoo13 1 year ago
Lee told Joe Lewis Bruce lee was the best fighter. Joe never diagreed. Lee told Lewis if he said he wasnt the best fighter, Joe would know he was lying.
rowanatkin 1 year ago
Snake,
i checked it out and Joe Lewis never said any bad stuff about bruce when he was alive. ONly said Lee was by far the greatest and most intelligent fighter he ever worked out with. Also said no one could nail Lee with a punch.
rowanatkin 1 year ago
@rowanatkin Ur a liar. When lee first met Lewis Joe showed him
how bad his kicks were. To the actors fucking face! In the face! Lee submissively accepted the critisiam and humbly worked on improving.
Further Lewis never ever and I mean ever said lee was the greatest fight. Ever!
Ur such a lying sack of shit.
snaketattoo13 1 year ago
Bruce Lee was the greatest fighter who ever lived in the people who knew hims opinions.
Skip Elsworth said he was the best fighter who ever lived as did James Demile. Bob bremner said he would put lee against anyone even today.
rowanatkin 1 year ago
@rowanatkin Wow I looked it up elsworth never said that. Lewis said "lee was not a fighter". When lee was alive Lewis showed him in person he was not great. Lewis told lee he had weak kicks. Lee knew Lewis was better and right and learned from his master. No lee was not the best fighter. Probaly good but not the best. Not even close. No one ever said he was. Show us where to find elseworth or anyone saying lee was the "best fighter". I bet u can't source it!
snaketattoo13 1 year ago
I saw many of these series before in the discovery channel, and I can't say they are the best or truly representative. When they spar, they almost always revert to punches, and it almost always looks like a boxing match. Besides, let's face it, 5 days of training.. takes more than five days to learn a style, and years to not have to think about it, so I wouldn't be hasty and jump to conclusions from this Production.
spiritfool 1 year ago
it seem to me wing chun is so weak because doug and jimmy obviously fucked both of theose wing hcun champions up.. such disgrace
groovyome 1 year ago
@groovyome Remember, a tool is only as good as the person using it. That said, someone with many tools has a greater chance to prevail over a person with one. There are also factors like how good someone is with their tools.
Chainer0 1 year ago
@Chainer0 Someone who has many tools usually has no good tools. One who perfects a tool and can implement it has more success. That is why wc masters like boztepe and chung suck in real fights
snaketattoo13 1 year ago
@snaketattoo13 MOTHER FUCKER I HATE YOU
dooooooer 1 year ago
@dooooooer U hate me? Hahaha. U little bitch. U going to cry faggot fanboy? Ur such a little bitch. What r u 12 yrs old. Haha
u little bitch loser.
snaketattoo13 1 year ago
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Chainer0 1 year ago
@snaketattoo13 True and I'd douched on that but I was going with the assumption that neither had mastery of their tools.
(spelling error on the previous post).
Chainer0 1 year ago
@Chainer0 They were both masters. Chung considered one of the best. Trained with lee under yip. Boztepe self proclaimed master and well sought after instructor. Both sucked shit when in real fight.
snaketattoo13 1 year ago
@snaketattoo13 ...okay. We're talking about two different things.
Chainer0 1 year ago
I dunno... boxing seems more effective.
Tenchijk 1 year ago
@Tenchijk cause 1 punch is really hard in boxing, here 1 punch is weak, but u do like 10 per second
cosminso1230 1 year ago
4:48 ~ "But he's STILL throwing those long punches..."
So what? Shouldn't he? You mean he's being graded for his use of Wing Chun which he has only been learning for a week?
I assumed this match was to simulate a FIGHT, and not just sparring according to one style.
Clearly the boxers win against Leung TIng's system.
In the old days, such matches would've brought about Leung Ting's school closure.
DizzyDerwish 1 year ago
@DizzyDerwish
definitely agreed. a spar should not be counted by style but rather effective striking and control. but since it is a sport you are still limited to those moves. like you can't kick in a boxing match. the rules are tighter but you get my point.
to be restricted in one style is like trying to fight with one arm.
danielyeh 1 year ago
dont you think that they would be so annoyed by some guy yelling GOOD DOUG YEAA FOLLOW UP DOUG
nickyepyep 1 year ago
real wing chun would be different without the head gear someone will get blinded
hwtse1 1 year ago
@hwtse1 Or they would fall asleep from boredom
snaketattoo13 1 year ago
Hahahaha. I love it. Just watching an ma show. They were slaming Kung Fu so bad. How it is such a joke and not real. I fucking love it
snaketattoo13 1 year ago
heh. Could have been fun getting you in trouble, but really, I could care less. Its really sad, if its true, that someone who is supposed to be of a higher caliber of morality, acts like a common thug... and wastes time playing internet badboy instead of taking care of real business. Hats off the the real heros, who take their job seriously, and act like grown men.
xiaou2 1 year ago
@xiaou2 See I told u. Nice excuse! Hahaha.
How would get me in trouble?
snaketattoo13 1 year ago
@xiaou2 So let me get this straight it's ok for u to act like a mental patient with delusional thoughts of cospiracies and high level killer criminal organizations. But I as a cop can't say the truth that no one ever said lee was the best fighter? Ya u make sense.
snaketattoo13 1 year ago
@snaketattoo13 - Idiot. There is no such thing as the Best fighter. He was one of the top fighters for his day, and certainly better than the MMA guys you suck up too. But compared to the more ancient Chinese fighters, he wasnt too comparable. The only mental patient here is you. BTW - Get off your daddys computer before you get him into trouble.
xiaou2 1 year ago
@xiaou2 Oh lee was so great? Really name one real fighter he beat? Not in movies either. Hahaha. U can't By the way I don't even use a computer. But if it makes u feel better u can make immature childish remarks
I bet ur such a delusional idiot u believe in deth touches etc. Right
snaketattoo13 1 year ago