@Twistednerver And Dylan was a shoddy Guthrie imitator...sure he could muster all the sneer of guthrie but none of the humor. Sure rainy day women is kind of funny and positively fourth street....but where's Dylans' Car song? Where's Dylan's Why oh Why?
@terrible714 All his best songs are pretty straight forward 'like a rolling stone' 'maggies farm' 'lay lady lay.' Dylan got by on a painfully obvious woody guthrie impersonation and I think, personally, 90% of the dylan canon doesn't compare to the simple beauty of 'Vincent' by Don Mclean.
Lovely, I can't stop listening to it. Perhaps 'RIP' is somewhat misdirected but I guess it is more for those of us who are still here. I love all the sixties sentiment but I can't stop wondering why there are so few voices now when there is so much to be yelling about. Nothing seems to be drowning out those guns...
Phil did more for this country then they let on ~as always its a lonely place to be. He should have gotten a medal for peace...."this world was never meant for anyone as beautiful as you".
@waxedlips I learned about him from a PBS Documentary in the long running and amazing series American Masters-the same way Guthrie became more than a couple verses in my schoolboy songbook. Kudos to PBS for being the only thing worth a damn on tv, culturally, but that's another argument. I'm learning a Phil song every week from now on. Gotta pick up this guys flag and get this shit out to the kids..wish I knew about him in college woulda been a great retort to 'greatness of dylan.'
@changeling46 It portrayed some of it. But of course it couldn't really communicate what he must have been going through. I, who was a fan of his when he was alive, is focused on his music again. It depresses me further that he is gone, but he still inspires me.
young age younger then 18 and my grandma (53) exposed me to Ochs hes a true folk singing its such a shame hes dead now wish he was still alive his music inspires me RIP Phil Ochs
I can only imagine the one dislike for this video was an accident, I wasn't born in the 60's so I just found his music & I am very glad I did. His wit and soulfulness are impeccable.
To me, this song captures a big part of the difference between the '60s and now. We did what we did because we knew that *now* was the only time *we* had when *we* could try to make a difference.
So often now, it looks to me as though everyone wants someone else to do it, some other time. As long as so many of us keep waiting for someone else, sometime else, while we do something else, the people corrupted by power will stay in power, and nothing will change except to get worse.
@LordGroundhog I agree. :) I try to talk to people about being more active politically, but yeah... I'm only 26yrs, but my dad (he's 64) exposed me to Ochs when I was 16yrs and have loved him since, he's not the reason I am active in politics (that would be b/c of my mom, also 64, we would talk politics since I was like 8yrs... lol), but he definitely an inspiration, wherever you stand on the spectrum, he is an inspiration. :) If you believe in something, take action!
I have been told I am so right wing I make Rush Limbaugh look liberal, but i have never drunk the "War is the answer to every political problem" Kool-Aid so common among my bretheren. I truly feel sorry for anyone who can't enjoy the simple beauty in the truth in so much folk music. Phil was one of the best and this is my personal favorite. Such a tragedy that he chose to end his life much too soon.
had the good fortune to see Phil sing this song at a Greenpeace benefit. There he stood, by himself in Elvis's gold jacket crooning tunes in his awesome style while people yelled for "Rock". I loved his set..
Absolute one of Phil Och's most beautiful songs (and that's saying a lot). I wish he and his songs were more remembered (and not just the overtly political ones!)
paragtime - why don't you crawl into a hole and die you fascist government pig-cunt. You are an oxygen-thief not fit to be mentioned in the same sentence as dog shit.
This version is doubly a Phil Ochs song in the same sense that any song sung by Johnny Cash becomes a Johnny Cash song no matter who the writer. All other versions pale in comparison.
Thanks for info and comments. I really like this and do not remember hearing it before but i bet i have. It really rings a bell and touches nerves for me. I remember this from certain times.
There are plenty of versions of this very thoughtful song which are more musical, including one that closes the weekly folk music radio show over WFMT in Chicago.
That version I believe to be the best. However, all that being said, it is always good to hear from the direct source. Phil Ochs placed himself in American history with this song. It took commitment and bravery to "do the right thing" back in the early days of the US civil rights movement.
@paragtime the libertarians and conservatives have been going on about succession and overthrowing the government for the last 3 years. Talk about being a traitor.
Ochs was simply pointing out what he saw the government doing that he disapproved of, and clearly, many others agreed. But unlike the Christian Coalition, they weren't forming militias. They were playing guitar with groups of people in festivals.
I wouldn't call him Dylan with a voice. Dylan wrote hypnotic complex lyrics (in the beginning) by the time Nashville Skyline came out he lost it.IMHO
terrible714 1 week ago
@terrible714 Dylan wrote word exercises that people assumed where hypnotic complex lyrics.
Twistednerver 5 days ago
@Twistednerver And Dylan was a shoddy Guthrie imitator...sure he could muster all the sneer of guthrie but none of the humor. Sure rainy day women is kind of funny and positively fourth street....but where's Dylans' Car song? Where's Dylan's Why oh Why?
Twistednerver 5 days ago
@terrible714 All his best songs are pretty straight forward 'like a rolling stone' 'maggies farm' 'lay lady lay.' Dylan got by on a painfully obvious woody guthrie impersonation and I think, personally, 90% of the dylan canon doesn't compare to the simple beauty of 'Vincent' by Don Mclean.
Twistednerver 5 days ago
he had to sing, he was dyan with a voice
guido1365 1 week ago
Lovely, I can't stop listening to it. Perhaps 'RIP' is somewhat misdirected but I guess it is more for those of us who are still here. I love all the sixties sentiment but I can't stop wondering why there are so few voices now when there is so much to be yelling about. Nothing seems to be drowning out those guns...
muljo836 1 week ago
Phil did more for this country then they let on ~as always its a lonely place to be. He should have gotten a medal for peace...."this world was never meant for anyone as beautiful as you".
waxedlips 2 weeks ago
@waxedlips I learned about him from a PBS Documentary in the long running and amazing series American Masters-the same way Guthrie became more than a couple verses in my schoolboy songbook. Kudos to PBS for being the only thing worth a damn on tv, culturally, but that's another argument. I'm learning a Phil song every week from now on. Gotta pick up this guys flag and get this shit out to the kids..wish I knew about him in college woulda been a great retort to 'greatness of dylan.'
Twistednerver 5 days ago
Amazing
kdfaller 2 weeks ago
lovley
guido1365 3 weeks ago
magnificent film'
vivascargill1 3 weeks ago
Wonderful....
jeffreydebra1 4 weeks ago
I've not seen the PBS video but doubt it portrayed the whole time or the pain he suffered.
Depression is not pretty
changeling46 1 month ago
@changeling46 It portrayed some of it. But of course it couldn't really communicate what he must have been going through. I, who was a fan of his when he was alive, is focused on his music again. It depresses me further that he is gone, but he still inspires me.
HerodotustheElder 3 weeks ago
We need more Phil Ochs, types (no one can compare to Phil) at this time in our country. Phil, you're sorely missed!
jsbach15 1 month ago
young age younger then 18 and my grandma (53) exposed me to Ochs hes a true folk singing its such a shame hes dead now wish he was still alive his music inspires me RIP Phil Ochs
kiara12365 1 month ago
Ochs would roll in his grave over the Republican fascism predominant these days,Soylentra anti Obama ads especially!
HairykinAngel 1 month ago
1 person dislikes life.
hapom89 1 month ago
Shit, I first heard Outside A Small Circle of friends a year ago. I really got into Phil Ochs music from the messages behind them. Rest In Peace.
TravisManicci 1 month ago
I can only imagine the one dislike for this video was an accident, I wasn't born in the 60's so I just found his music & I am very glad I did. His wit and soulfulness are impeccable.
MrQwertyqwerty12345 1 month ago
To me, this song captures a big part of the difference between the '60s and now. We did what we did because we knew that *now* was the only time *we* had when *we* could try to make a difference.
So often now, it looks to me as though everyone wants someone else to do it, some other time. As long as so many of us keep waiting for someone else, sometime else, while we do something else, the people corrupted by power will stay in power, and nothing will change except to get worse.
LordGroundhog 1 month ago
@LordGroundhog I agree. :) I try to talk to people about being more active politically, but yeah... I'm only 26yrs, but my dad (he's 64) exposed me to Ochs when I was 16yrs and have loved him since, he's not the reason I am active in politics (that would be b/c of my mom, also 64, we would talk politics since I was like 8yrs... lol), but he definitely an inspiration, wherever you stand on the spectrum, he is an inspiration. :) If you believe in something, take action!
thewordthatpierces 1 month ago
I have been told I am so right wing I make Rush Limbaugh look liberal, but i have never drunk the "War is the answer to every political problem" Kool-Aid so common among my bretheren. I truly feel sorry for anyone who can't enjoy the simple beauty in the truth in so much folk music. Phil was one of the best and this is my personal favorite. Such a tragedy that he chose to end his life much too soon.
micropickletwo 1 month ago
Love you, mate. Always will.
paullavan2011 2 months ago
had the good fortune to see Phil sing this song at a Greenpeace benefit. There he stood, by himself in Elvis's gold jacket crooning tunes in his awesome style while people yelled for "Rock". I loved his set..
drosshoughland 2 months ago
to The Seg..
yeah, you got it..I have no energy for what is happening now, time to check out
changeling46 3 months ago
can't be singing louder than the guns when im gone.
TheSarahfran 3 months ago
If someone realizes that their country is in the wrong, is "traitor" really such a dishonorable title?
NYanarchy08 3 months ago 3
@NYanarchy08 if someone realizes their country is in the wrong, they're a PATRIOT.
TheSarahfran 3 months ago
Love this song so much!
discussislam 4 months ago
Absolute one of Phil Och's most beautiful songs (and that's saying a lot). I wish he and his songs were more remembered (and not just the overtly political ones!)
GoodNoteDJ 4 months ago 3
paragtime - why don't you crawl into a hole and die you fascist government pig-cunt. You are an oxygen-thief not fit to be mentioned in the same sentence as dog shit.
paullavan2011 4 months ago
I love him.
holden415 4 months ago
The saddest song I ever heard.
greggh 4 months ago 2
Traitor? He was touching he heart of this country. I lived through those years of passion and hope for better ways of of living.
TulleDeChasse 5 months ago 3
This song always brings tears to my eyes. Phil was a great man. What a tragedy he had to leave us so soon. Rest in peace, friend.
bigno53 5 months ago 2
changeling46, I agree. To me:
It was like the world was starting to move around the sun.
And the next morning, it was standing still again.
Some say it’s still moving. But, I haven’t felt it, since the 60’s.
Just an old man saying it, while I’m here!
peace
TheSeg1 5 months ago 14
My favorite folk singer from the 60's. I lived it and when he died it was such a blow. He had so much to say and he said it so well. RIP Phil.
msandisue 5 months ago 14
@msandisue
me too
pokemonrock27ya 2 months ago
hes not some egotistical shred miester
COMMUNISTPHILOSOPHY 6 months ago
he foretold his own suicide/death
You had to be there guys....it was a long time ago in a world far away.
Just another old lady.
changeling46 6 months ago 5
@changeling46 suicide??? are we sure for that?
nick40nick40 6 months ago
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AnnieLeeKennan 6 months ago 3
This version is doubly a Phil Ochs song in the same sense that any song sung by Johnny Cash becomes a Johnny Cash song no matter who the writer. All other versions pale in comparison.
Aguathuna1 6 months ago 2
Thanks for info and comments. I really like this and do not remember hearing it before but i bet i have. It really rings a bell and touches nerves for me. I remember this from certain times.
TheChuckjarvis 9 months ago
There are plenty of versions of this very thoughtful song which are more musical, including one that closes the weekly folk music radio show over WFMT in Chicago.
That version I believe to be the best. However, all that being said, it is always good to hear from the direct source. Phil Ochs placed himself in American history with this song. It took commitment and bravery to "do the right thing" back in the early days of the US civil rights movement.
serenaspeace22 9 months ago 4
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@serenaspeace22 civil rights?..his big thing was the overthrow of the government....he hated libs for not being far enough left..he was a traitor..
paragtime 5 months ago
@paragtime the libertarians and conservatives have been going on about succession and overthrowing the government for the last 3 years. Talk about being a traitor.
Ochs was simply pointing out what he saw the government doing that he disapproved of, and clearly, many others agreed. But unlike the Christian Coalition, they weren't forming militias. They were playing guitar with groups of people in festivals.
A0220R 4 months ago 3
@paragtime That's crazy. Phil Ochs was a great man.
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