Afghanistan and UK Healthcare I - Tony Benn

[michaelkeeble1]

ask why 7/7 happend in uk and 9/11 i think its coz us and the usa boss country about and pis them why us to countrys ask your selfs that !!!!!!!!

[dancupid]

American TV presenters can read from an autocue! Well done American - you know how to read.

[strepsil08]

What about helping the people of Afganistan? Don't they deserve a chance at democracy and freedom from corrupt, stone age dictatorships? Benn and his anti interventionist cohorts are hopelessly myopic.

[ourhandsaretied]

@strepsil08

If the coalition force exports their imperialistic government to these parts of the world, then they won't be getting either freedom or democracy. It is you being miopic, not realising that having an elected dictatorship where there is an election (controlled by propaganda press) every 5 years, and in between those years the 'elected representatives' can do what they like is NOT democracy; it is totalitarianism. Incidentally, I'm no supporter of what these paces have at the moment.

[strepsil08]

@ourhandsaretied The Karzai regime is hideously corrupt and hopelessly illberal, but the unfortunate truth is that in order to preserve the values of liberalism, secularism and democracy confronting the taliban was 100% just and necessary. What makes me sick is when "leftists" like Mr. Benn, supposedly stand for equality and tolerance and yet make excuses for regimes that are the complete anithesis for everything the left is supposed to stand for! Misanthropic idiots like you are no better.

[strepsil08]

What about helping the people of Afganistan? Don't they deserve a chance at democracy and freedom from corrupt, stone age dictatorships? Benn means well but is hopelessly myopic.

[Dendiol]

@strepsil08 The Afghan people can exercise their right to self-determinism and decide their own path. It is not the job of the West to dictate what is the right model for a country to follow.

[strepsil08]

@Dendiol Just how exactly were the Afghan people supposed to exercise their right to self-determination while suffering under the jack-boot of a hideous, totalitarian, fascist movement that turned Afghanistan into a camp and training ground for their equally sadistic partners Al qaeda, and who WE were foolish enough to put their in the first place. But hey you're right, we should have just let the buggers rot, it's nothing to do with us, anything's better than America right?

[Dendiol]

@strepsil08 The Afghan people were largely supportive of the Taliban, as seen in polls released before the October 2001 invasion. And I am of the belief that if the US, UK and NATO allies were not contantly killing civilians and invading other countries, Al Qaeda would be far less willing to attack the West. Indeed, Bin Laden set it up in response to US military presence in Saudi Arabia. History shows us America has been far from perfect especially in foreign policy decisions.

[strepsil08]

@Dendiol Of course polls taken pre 2001 would show support for the Taliban. The oppressive, totalitarian nature of the regime meant that the Afghan people were unlikely to declare open opposition in the form of a poll, simply through fear for their lives. This makes any poll conducted pre-invasion inaccurate and not at all reflective of Afghan public opinion. A recent, reliable poll conducted by Nato showed that a mere 6% of Afgans would be supportive of a Taliban government.

[Dendiol]

@strepsil08 I would love for the Afghan people to live in freedom and if possible in a democracy where they decide their own course. However, in removing the Taliban, tyranny has moved to the corrupt elite that still exists in Afghanistan. The war looks fruitless at the moment as it appears unlikely that the Afghan police can ever take over effectively from the foreign military presence. Therefore, we have to ask ourselves - can our Afghan mission ever fully succeed. Unfortunately I have doubts.

[Dendiol]

@strepsil08 Thanks for the debate anyway - you're one of the few intelligent Youtube commenters.

[strepsil08]

@Dendiol As for your point about Al Qaeda, one look at their manifestos or propoganda videos would reveal that they are driven by an ideology that is geared towards hatred of our way of life ie; democracy, pluralism, liberalism and secularism, and little to do with American foreign policy.

[Dendiol]

@strepsil08 I'm not surprised Al Qaeda are against "our way of life" as this has been forced upon them by Western powers under the guise of 'development and stability'. The Afghan people are still under the corrupt and undemocratic regime of Karzai, hardly progressive. This regime is supported by the coalition forces, who did nothing to prevent vote rigging in the election despite the obvious desire to create a fully functioning democracy.

[Threepwoodist]

@Dendiol and they wont, no country has successfully defeated Afghanistan., and they wont. How do you educate and create a democracy on a nation that is based on medievil banditry.

[Dendiol]

@Threepwoodist Agreed. We are naive to think that we can make Afghanistan an outpost of liberal democracy. It's just not feasible or realistic, and we need to reassess what our troops are still dying for.

[Threepwoodist]

@Dendiol Definitely.

[EbsNhexz]

@Dendiol Your right. I think the main problem that Afghanistan has faces is that it has hosted wars on and off for centuries.Its impossible to build up a stable infrastructure when you are being repeatedly invaded.

[tinotrivino]

Obama.. yes.. another rupperport puppet!

[sinwow33]

lmao this is a war of necessity. If it is necessary to bully a country, if it is necessary to be an imperialist force, if it is necessary to kill hundreds of thousand of innocent people. Let us not forget that it was the Americans who trained these people, sold them weapons and gave them intelligence.

[lithfrasir]

At the end of the day you have to ask yourself whether you want a society of compassion which recognises that peoples lives should not be left at the mercy of the free market OR a society (or non society) of selfish individuals many of whom proclaim their "right wing Christian" values one moment & turn a blind eye to the poor the next.

[TheChadley1000]

I bet that conservative has used the NHS a handful of times in his life! You can bet your bottom dollar he has private healthcare, which his wannabe aristocratic family pay for. I hope David Cameron gave him what for after this!!! Especially as the NHS gave excellent care to his daughter.

[TheChadley1000]

I bet that conservative has used the NHS a handful of times in his life! You can bet your bottom dollar he has private healthcare, which his wannabe aristocratic family pay for. I hope David Cameron gave him what for after this!!! Especially as the NHS gave excellent care to his daughter.

[wind4watts]

If that posh Tory guy at the end had his way working people would be where he would like them LIVING IN THE DIRT!.

[TheChadley1000]

@wind4watts And the irony is, its usually the working class who vote for the conservatives, because of their traditional values.

[ourhandsaretied]

@TheChadley1000

Only those working classes who believe everything they read in the newspapers would rather suffer under conservative governments than take what is theirs.

I speak as a working class person myself who is anything other than brainwashed by capitalist propaganda.

[wind4watts]

What exactly are our troops there for?, the terrorists who attacked the tower were motivated by thousands of Israei murders of Palestinian Civilians-kids and US $30 Billion a year that pays for it, the CIA guy told the inquiry this openly in Washinton on it's last day!,I BET THAT WASN'T SHOWN ON US TV THOUGH!.!.

[mofi500]

The hysteria and scare-mongering of people over there astounds. It's like McCarthyism all over again.

The USA deserves better and it is totally unjust that so many people have no medial cover.

The general health of a population should always come before the needs to expand military influence.

[kadaveri]

When I listened to Obama speak at the beginning of this video all I could think was "how would Bush have put this differently?"

[ourhandsaretied]

@kadaveri

Lol he would have probably said he was 'happified' at something :P

[ProsperityGlobal]

The NHS is not perfect, but it is alot better than the "Free-Market" US system.

[911ness]

I find it's hilarious how the US criticizes the Canadian, UK, French, and many other nations' health care systems yet they're the ones with thousands going into medical bankruptcy. THINK!! Why does the US spend almost twice as much on health care and still suffer?? And as a Canadian, I can tell you first hand that this system is a blessing. Me and my family/friends.. we've all received wonderful treatments and haven't had to wait ages.. thats a myth!

[wind4watts]

@911ness WELL SAID THE RIGHT WINGERS CALL EVERY SYSTEM but ask Brits Canadians what THEY think we support it 100%, we have a new £250 Million N.H.S. Hospital just a few Miles away.

[ourhandsaretied]

@wind4watts

There was a really funny bit in one of my videos on american anti-healthcare protesters saying that in Cuba's system, you have to wait a month for toilet roll- these people are literally mad!!

[challinorrj]

Hannan: the true face of Tory politics past present and future. Perhaps the Orwellian billboards of Cameron's mug peering out at us should be coupled with Hannan's.

[eponymousdrums]

That guy at the end, what a prick.

[brett18uk]

That's the UK Conservative's for ya!

[PhoenixIreland]

@brett18uk Whats hillarious about it is, "we've lived with this mistake for 60 years"...so if its that bad and unpopular why hasn't the NHS been abolished?

[bigsteelguy]

If we can come up with money to kill people, we can come up with money to help people

Quote from Tony Benn

[ednuttah]

@bigsteelguy "All war is a failure of Democracy, nothing more nothing less" Tony Benn.

[MaleAdaptor]

Obama wants to make me puke.

[catalyst8]

It is utterly infantile how so many US citizens fail to grasp such a basic concept. Insurance companies are in the business of making money, not looking out for people's well being. Their only genuine concern is making a profit, which is why nearly 50 million US citizens have no health cover whatsoever. That's five times the population of Sweden. Quite astonishing, especially for a country which insists it has 'justice for all' - evidently that's a lie.

[Dendiol]

@catalyst8 100% agreed. Many Americans are fearful of the control and power of federal government, yet they fail to see the power and might of the healthcare industry over their lives and money.

[ourhandsaretied]

@catalyst8

I couldn't agree with you more

I'm british and incidentally i have done a video on that dan hannan video. I laugh out loud about how he says that the poor having healthcare when otherwise they wouldn't have has actually made people iller XD lmfao!

[Threepwoodist]

@catalyst8 it's because the majority of Americans are ignorant retards.

[fxnooodle]

@catalyst8 insurance company does not generate any profit moron

[leizuoer]

@fxnooodle Are you out of your mind, or trolling? Insurance companies are some of the most profitable companies in the world! They exist to generate profit to be shared among their shareholders. When you leave the healthcare of an entire country in insurance companies hands, they will ruthlessly dump every single man, woman and child who cannot afford their exorbitant prices. That's why the US has the worst healthcare "system" among all advanced nations. Cuba's people get better care!

[leizuoer]

@catalyst8 Good points. However, I also think that it could be a case of "those who shout loudest win the day". In other words, many more people than you might imagine actually do support public healtcare in the US. When you ask people individually on the street there, you get a much higher level of support for public healthcare than you get from watching reports on the US media, particularly Fox News.