i believe he still has almost if not all his memories from the worlds he's been trough, just that they've been "sealed" away (kind of like his memories from the first loop/s). He did know he felt personal grief from Alternative 5, but until he linked those memories to something, he didn't know why, which is exactly what happened in the ending: he cried of joy when he saw everybody alive, but didn't know why. Also since Kasumi seems to know what happened in the BETA world, he could also remember
@dougarr Takeru stops being a pussy and Yuuko helps him go back to his world where he will have another chance to save it and end his role as a causality conductor.
@sushlet Yeah, that ending was one of the most unsatisfying yet logically reasonable ending ever. Man, I was so pissed and raging at the end. But then the theme of Muv-Alternative always comes back to me. "Shit happens in life, deal with it bitch"
@gbatemper123 Interesting. I felt the ending was indeed a bit lukewarm, but it did fit in with the story's overall bittersweet mood. It did imply that he didn't lose everything he achieved; and perhaps the ending where he forgets all those painful experiences and lives a happy life is actually his reward for saving Sumika and the other world. They definitely left it very open for interpretation.
@sushlet Yeah, their wouldn't be any other way then to make him forget the majority of the memories otherwise, how would a BETA fighting war veteran with the mind and body of steel adjust back to normal everyday highschool life.
It would've been quiet interesting for Age to release a sequel to Alternative, (Which will never happen), but that is pretty much Altered Fable (Which clearly states it is not related to Alternative)
I honestly, would've liked a ending were Takeru stayed.
That was like the pointless argument ever, and just over some TSF armor. TSF is designed to be extremely mobile. I can understand ZeroRequiemGX's argument in trying to make the armor extremely strong, but that's what they did when they first made the TSF against BETA invasion. Those TSFs died off quickly because they couldn't react to laser classes.
Noticed something: when you see Meiya the beginning of the OP in my version of the game....she has the super-exposed, and ripped pilot suit.....this one....nope.
@snowravenrp Its the differences between the all ages and adult version. Other small notable differences such as black shades covering gruesome scene (Head Chop scene)
@StopEnjoyingThings Ok this is getting long i'm done debating with people who takes this games Anime Logic to a whole new level, all i can say is that this is a game, deal with it, the creator can do as he pleases with it so i wouldn't even be surprised even if they suddenly add in a transformer somewhere around there.
even the main protagonist noticed one of this games biggest most biggest failure to be added to the plot, he asked why the Russians can build freakin moon bases but can't even catch the stuff that's being lunched by the BETAS, sure maybe its expensive like what cap. izumi said but still its a GAME deal with it, they even have retenal technology which beats our LCD screen up today, as i said before its a GAME, No further Logic.
@ZeroRequiemGX Ummm. I'm pretty sure they mentioned that first of all. The stuff that's being launched by Beta goes out very fast, and it's very random. BETA are also on the moon, mars, so it would be quite hard to track it down without being shot by the laser classes, if not, it may even pass other Beta infiltrated planets.
@gbatemper123 Dude i know what you mean but just how wide do you think the distances between planets are?, they can't just shoot you like that, even at operation chicken drop they can only shoot you when you have reach the center of the atmosphere, they can't really shoot you in outer space unless they where already there riding a ship, and lastly they can try and predict the area of the said launch because they are only sending it in one planet,( AKA ) the creators planet.
@ZeroRequiemGX Okay fine, let's say they predict the area of the said launch. However, the launch time is totally random, as we do not understand the BETA that much. It would be very difficult to track the Launched stuff by the beta, let alone catch up to it. The BETA can perform interstellar flight. How the hell would we track it? I doubt the Alternative world has the technology for it.
@gbatemper123 And it also seems like the "creator" is fairly ignorant and will create biological weapons such as BETA without considering the havoc it would create. I mean, what kind of sentient advanced alien species that can create Bio-weapons and interstellar flight not know carbon life forms exist? I mean if they have interstellar flight, you think they would find one at one point. Either it's a plot hole, or the creator has some kind of autocratic government .
@gbatemper123 Judging from what the Superior BETA just said it would seem that the Creator is only one being or should I say One Giant being, kinda like in Starship Troopers where the Bugs have only one Queen so meaning they have the knowledge but lack the understanding to use it wisely, or its either that or the creator is just Evil and Dumb.
@gbatemper123 Dude have you forgotten that they already have the technology to make there own spaceships as was shown in alternative 5, + they have Yuuko Sensei! which is pretty much the smartest person in the whole world as she have proven her works to be perfect either it be Giant robots or making A Space Time Quantum Portal for Takeru to use, she's like the Alternative version of Yuuko from XXX Holic, only she specialises on Science rather than Magic.
@ZeroRequiemGX Yeah but Yuuko sensei at the time is way too busy trying to complete alternative 4. And even that plan itself is risky, who is to say that "the creator" does not give a shit about the human race?
@gbatemper123 Its Yuuko where talking about here, don't underestimate here powerful mind that can even tell if Takeru is having Sex with Sumika by just looking at the Binary board LOL!, She even made the MX3 on just a whim because she thought it would be interesting plus it would help her project, She can easily capture one of those pods if we just give her a reason too.
God there armor Sucks! in terms in defense no wonder there easy to kill, but I gotta admit there hot! I mean this is definitely an ero game no wonder they can't animate it, anyways somebody here knows where to get an english sub version of this game cause I'm currently downloading the extra and UL of muv luv so why not try the alternative as well, just PM me you guys! Thanks!
@ZeroRequiemGX this armor does not sucks in defense. What is more, this suit boost a pilots power, has high shock-absorption, and it can display images (plug suit information and about piloted mecha) on pilots retina.
You should read ML:E, ML:U and ML:A. Note: ML:A is AWESOME.
@silvk1000 Dude! I already know all that, and I already read everything that has the title Muv Luv out there including the Hentai manga one's, what i'm basically saying is that there armor sucks in terms of actual defence , yeah sure they can repel normal attacks such as being hit with a pipe or collapsing buildings which is awesome by the way but what i'm saying is that there not BETA proof!, one bite from the infantry type one's is enough to rip them apart, what they need is like Iron mans.
@ZeroRequiemGX And I guess you think that a beta's teeth is the same as humans, and I bet its jaws are as strong as a humans?.. Cause that's what you seem to be believing?.. You forget that they are aliens, composed on completely different materials then humans.
Sorry for replying to a old comment like that, but as I was just at my 3rd playthrough of muvluv I couldn't ignore a comment like that.
@geenius3ab Dude I know what i said especially since i already finished this game a long time ago, I mean they can practically bite off anything they can get there Mouths on but what I'm referring to is what they really need is an Iron Man Armor mean C'mon its a lot more better to have an Armor like that on you once the BETAS finally Chews off your TSF's hull casing and you find yourself exposed to the outside, I mean look at what the Superior did to Meiya when it got attached to her.
@ZeroRequiemGX For some reason I think that it would be a severe inconvenience, and it would be hella expensive, and in a world like that it would be impractical, as the betas could still easily kill them, stomp, chew, lazor their asses.. They have ejecting tools to get away, and once the betas chew through, even with a suit like that they would be dead. And the happening with meiya would have happened in the iron man suit as well.
@geenius3ab yeah right like having a bunch of TSFs while having soo little amount of pilots isn't already a big waste of money, and besides all i'm saying is additional armor, which pretty much would at least withstand a full bite from a tank class i mean have you even seen what iron man's armor can do, that thing is amazing, and also the tentacles that got Meiya wasn't that strong because they were little so iron can still protect her body, the big ones were the most dangerous ones. poor Tama.
@ZeroRequiemGX The things on Meiya could have gone through ANY connecting place of the metal... And a full bite from a tank class?.. Who are you kidding?.. Didn't you understand that the BETAs were made from different materials then humans, and if you think they would have convenient materials like that they wouldn't use it on TSFs?.. Trying to mix marvelverse and this together is already in bad taste.
Don't try to evaluate things by your own standards, without considering the BETA.
@geenius3ab Dude I fully understand the BETA but what i'm trying to say is Make a Fucking Armor made with the hardest materials, namely how about making use of the Destroyer Class's Club like Arms, there supposedly as hard a a Diamond, that's what i'm saying, Recycle them as they try to Recycle us, and as for Meiya's case if the Armor doesn't stop the small Tentacles then at least it will prevent more of them from entering her, and also The Scientist there are both stupid and smart.
Your right!, Nothing could have stopped the The Tentacles!, This is a Fictional GAME that was originally a HENTAI One so even if they did change the Genre the Doujin Logic of Japanese Girls + Tentacles = Tentacle Rape will always apply no matter what armor she wears.
But if this was real then I could say the opposite.
@geenius3ab They could have just develop a freaking Satellite Cannon and Hit the Hives from outer space, I bet even the laser class would be devastated by it, and also there already using the BETAS Substances so why not use there Corpse as well, there made of both Organic and Raw Minerals so just separate some of it and add it to there Armor, and as for your question on why would they wouldn't use it on there TSF's is because the materials are rare and can only be made into Human Armors not TSFs
i believe he still has almost if not all his memories from the worlds he's been trough, just that they've been "sealed" away (kind of like his memories from the first loop/s). He did know he felt personal grief from Alternative 5, but until he linked those memories to something, he didn't know why, which is exactly what happened in the ending: he cried of joy when he saw everybody alive, but didn't know why. Also since Kasumi seems to know what happened in the BETA world, he could also remember
Killmekos2 6 days ago in playlist jap
yeah . i was thinking about the PTSD when he goes insane ...... and after that what happens ?
i hope they continue soon with the manga .
dougarr 1 month ago
@dougarr Takeru stops being a pussy and Yuuko helps him go back to his world where he will have another chance to save it and end his role as a causality conductor.
sushlet 1 month ago
@sushlet Yeah, that ending was one of the most unsatisfying yet logically reasonable ending ever. Man, I was so pissed and raging at the end. But then the theme of Muv-Alternative always comes back to me. "Shit happens in life, deal with it bitch"
gbatemper123 1 week ago
@gbatemper123 Interesting. I felt the ending was indeed a bit lukewarm, but it did fit in with the story's overall bittersweet mood. It did imply that he didn't lose everything he achieved; and perhaps the ending where he forgets all those painful experiences and lives a happy life is actually his reward for saving Sumika and the other world. They definitely left it very open for interpretation.
sushlet 1 week ago
@sushlet Yeah, their wouldn't be any other way then to make him forget the majority of the memories otherwise, how would a BETA fighting war veteran with the mind and body of steel adjust back to normal everyday highschool life.
It would've been quiet interesting for Age to release a sequel to Alternative, (Which will never happen), but that is pretty much Altered Fable (Which clearly states it is not related to Alternative)
I honestly, would've liked a ending were Takeru stayed.
gbatemper123 1 week ago
so, in the manga Takeru goes insane or what ?
Thanks. Bye.
dougarr 1 month ago
@dougarr The manga is pretty much the same as the visual novel.
The manga right now is in the PTSD arc. A FYI, it gets WORSE for Takeru, up to the point where he is slapped his ass back to sanity.
gbatemper123 1 month ago
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GrievousCommander 2 months ago
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GrievousCommander 2 months ago
That was like the pointless argument ever, and just over some TSF armor. TSF is designed to be extremely mobile. I can understand ZeroRequiemGX's argument in trying to make the armor extremely strong, but that's what they did when they first made the TSF against BETA invasion. Those TSFs died off quickly because they couldn't react to laser classes.
geniusxtra 3 months ago
@geniusxtra Correction!, Those TSFs didn't just died because of the Laser Classes,
1st-The Pilots where inexperienced and was still new to the system (Mostly Jet Fighter Pilots)
2nd- There where Too many BETAs
3rd- The Pilots where Scared (Sadly its the truth)
4th- Compared to the latest TSF's Armor, those armors where a lot weaker.
5th- There TSFs where old models who still moved a lot more like a wind up Robot rather than the latest once.
So far they already develop a strong yet light armor
ZeroRequiemRX 2 months ago
Noticed something: when you see Meiya the beginning of the OP in my version of the game....she has the super-exposed, and ripped pilot suit.....this one....nope.
snowravenrp 4 months ago
@snowravenrp Its the differences between the all ages and adult version. Other small notable differences such as black shades covering gruesome scene (Head Chop scene)
gbatemper123 3 months ago
*takes popcorn and reads*
thunderMystical 6 months ago 10
@StopEnjoyingThings Ok this is getting long i'm done debating with people who takes this games Anime Logic to a whole new level, all i can say is that this is a game, deal with it, the creator can do as he pleases with it so i wouldn't even be surprised even if they suddenly add in a transformer somewhere around there.
ZeroRequiemGX 7 months ago
@StopEnjoyingThings Huh? haven't you played this game before?
even the main protagonist noticed one of this games biggest most biggest failure to be added to the plot, he asked why the Russians can build freakin moon bases but can't even catch the stuff that's being lunched by the BETAS, sure maybe its expensive like what cap. izumi said but still its a GAME deal with it, they even have retenal technology which beats our LCD screen up today, as i said before its a GAME, No further Logic.
ZeroRequiemGX 7 months ago
@ZeroRequiemGX Ummm. I'm pretty sure they mentioned that first of all. The stuff that's being launched by Beta goes out very fast, and it's very random. BETA are also on the moon, mars, so it would be quite hard to track it down without being shot by the laser classes, if not, it may even pass other Beta infiltrated planets.
gbatemper123 4 months ago
@gbatemper123 Dude i know what you mean but just how wide do you think the distances between planets are?, they can't just shoot you like that, even at operation chicken drop they can only shoot you when you have reach the center of the atmosphere, they can't really shoot you in outer space unless they where already there riding a ship, and lastly they can try and predict the area of the said launch because they are only sending it in one planet,( AKA ) the creators planet.
ZeroRequiemGX 4 months ago
@ZeroRequiemGX Okay fine, let's say they predict the area of the said launch. However, the launch time is totally random, as we do not understand the BETA that much. It would be very difficult to track the Launched stuff by the beta, let alone catch up to it. The BETA can perform interstellar flight. How the hell would we track it? I doubt the Alternative world has the technology for it.
gbatemper123 4 months ago
@gbatemper123 And it also seems like the "creator" is fairly ignorant and will create biological weapons such as BETA without considering the havoc it would create. I mean, what kind of sentient advanced alien species that can create Bio-weapons and interstellar flight not know carbon life forms exist? I mean if they have interstellar flight, you think they would find one at one point. Either it's a plot hole, or the creator has some kind of autocratic government .
gbatemper123 4 months ago
@gbatemper123 Judging from what the Superior BETA just said it would seem that the Creator is only one being or should I say One Giant being, kinda like in Starship Troopers where the Bugs have only one Queen so meaning they have the knowledge but lack the understanding to use it wisely, or its either that or the creator is just Evil and Dumb.
ZeroRequiemGX 4 months ago
@gbatemper123 Dude have you forgotten that they already have the technology to make there own spaceships as was shown in alternative 5, + they have Yuuko Sensei! which is pretty much the smartest person in the whole world as she have proven her works to be perfect either it be Giant robots or making A Space Time Quantum Portal for Takeru to use, she's like the Alternative version of Yuuko from XXX Holic, only she specialises on Science rather than Magic.
ZeroRequiemGX 4 months ago
@ZeroRequiemGX Yeah but Yuuko sensei at the time is way too busy trying to complete alternative 4. And even that plan itself is risky, who is to say that "the creator" does not give a shit about the human race?
gbatemper123 4 months ago
@gbatemper123 Its Yuuko where talking about here, don't underestimate here powerful mind that can even tell if Takeru is having Sex with Sumika by just looking at the Binary board LOL!, She even made the MX3 on just a whim because she thought it would be interesting plus it would help her project, She can easily capture one of those pods if we just give her a reason too.
ZeroRequiemGX 4 months ago
God there armor Sucks! in terms in defense no wonder there easy to kill, but I gotta admit there hot! I mean this is definitely an ero game no wonder they can't animate it, anyways somebody here knows where to get an english sub version of this game cause I'm currently downloading the extra and UL of muv luv so why not try the alternative as well, just PM me you guys! Thanks!
ZeroRequiemGX 1 year ago
@ZeroRequiemGX this armor does not sucks in defense. What is more, this suit boost a pilots power, has high shock-absorption, and it can display images (plug suit information and about piloted mecha) on pilots retina.
You should read ML:E, ML:U and ML:A. Note: ML:A is AWESOME.
silvk1000 11 months ago
@silvk1000 Dude! I already know all that, and I already read everything that has the title Muv Luv out there including the Hentai manga one's, what i'm basically saying is that there armor sucks in terms of actual defence , yeah sure they can repel normal attacks such as being hit with a pipe or collapsing buildings which is awesome by the way but what i'm saying is that there not BETA proof!, one bite from the infantry type one's is enough to rip them apart, what they need is like Iron mans.
ZeroRequiemGX 11 months ago
@ZeroRequiemGX And I guess you think that a beta's teeth is the same as humans, and I bet its jaws are as strong as a humans?.. Cause that's what you seem to be believing?.. You forget that they are aliens, composed on completely different materials then humans.
Sorry for replying to a old comment like that, but as I was just at my 3rd playthrough of muvluv I couldn't ignore a comment like that.
geenius3ab 8 months ago
@geenius3ab Dude I know what i said especially since i already finished this game a long time ago, I mean they can practically bite off anything they can get there Mouths on but what I'm referring to is what they really need is an Iron Man Armor mean C'mon its a lot more better to have an Armor like that on you once the BETAS finally Chews off your TSF's hull casing and you find yourself exposed to the outside, I mean look at what the Superior did to Meiya when it got attached to her.
ZeroRequiemGX 8 months ago
@ZeroRequiemGX For some reason I think that it would be a severe inconvenience, and it would be hella expensive, and in a world like that it would be impractical, as the betas could still easily kill them, stomp, chew, lazor their asses.. They have ejecting tools to get away, and once the betas chew through, even with a suit like that they would be dead. And the happening with meiya would have happened in the iron man suit as well.
geenius3ab 8 months ago
@geenius3ab yeah right like having a bunch of TSFs while having soo little amount of pilots isn't already a big waste of money, and besides all i'm saying is additional armor, which pretty much would at least withstand a full bite from a tank class i mean have you even seen what iron man's armor can do, that thing is amazing, and also the tentacles that got Meiya wasn't that strong because they were little so iron can still protect her body, the big ones were the most dangerous ones. poor Tama.
ZeroRequiemGX 8 months ago
@ZeroRequiemGX The things on Meiya could have gone through ANY connecting place of the metal... And a full bite from a tank class?.. Who are you kidding?.. Didn't you understand that the BETAs were made from different materials then humans, and if you think they would have convenient materials like that they wouldn't use it on TSFs?.. Trying to mix marvelverse and this together is already in bad taste.
Don't try to evaluate things by your own standards, without considering the BETA.
geenius3ab 8 months ago
@geenius3ab Dude I fully understand the BETA but what i'm trying to say is Make a Fucking Armor made with the hardest materials, namely how about making use of the Destroyer Class's Club like Arms, there supposedly as hard a a Diamond, that's what i'm saying, Recycle them as they try to Recycle us, and as for Meiya's case if the Armor doesn't stop the small Tentacles then at least it will prevent more of them from entering her, and also The Scientist there are both stupid and smart.
ZeroRequiemGX 8 months ago
@ZeroRequiemGX Ummm... Do you know how people give form to a diamond?... It is absurdly hard work, and it's the HARDEST material..
Do you know that they don't have laser beams?.. And do you know what happened when they tried to drop from outer space?..
And even the iron man suit would be gone with 1 *chomp* from the soldier class.
Nothing could have stopped the tentacle..
Yes take random substances and mix em together.. For fucks sake, things don't go like that... Think a bit..
geenius3ab 8 months ago
@geenius3ab Dude I know what your trying to say and also I'm not ignorant to such facts!
But your forgetting something here boy, Its A Freaking Science Fiction Game!
Normal logic Doesn't Do Shit here,and also how the fuck can they even make Giant Robots in the early 90?
No matter what kind of Smart ass scientist they got there its still impossible!
So let me ask you back,
Are You Thinking about what were debating here?
cause I sure am..
THIS IS A GAME!
No offence, i'm not a jerk so Sayonara!
ZeroRequiemGX 8 months ago
@geenius3ab Oh! and one last thing!
Your right!, Nothing could have stopped the The Tentacles!, This is a Fictional GAME that was originally a HENTAI One so even if they did change the Genre the Doujin Logic of Japanese Girls + Tentacles = Tentacle Rape will always apply no matter what armor she wears.
But if this was real then I could say the opposite.
ZeroRequiemGX 8 months ago
@geenius3ab They could have just develop a freaking Satellite Cannon and Hit the Hives from outer space, I bet even the laser class would be devastated by it, and also there already using the BETAS Substances so why not use there Corpse as well, there made of both Organic and Raw Minerals so just separate some of it and add it to there Armor, and as for your question on why would they wouldn't use it on there TSF's is because the materials are rare and can only be made into Human Armors not TSFs
ZeroRequiemGX 8 months ago