At 1:51 the video claims the IRA 'captured and killed' JJ 'Ginger' O'Connell in the Four Courts leaving Collins with 'no option' but to start the civil war. The truth is O'Connell wasn't killed by the IRA in 1922, he died in 1944, 20 years later.
@winter7night This is a short video I created myself, Ciaran O'Callaghan. The title is the same and it was created in 2009. The pictures are all taken for the cork multitext project which I had permission to use and the music is Lux Athena by Clint Mansell.
really good work, i wonder why the government of Ireland act of 1920 is not generally remembered when talking about partition... it was fairly impossible to get the 32 county from the start...
I agree great video. Just one point: Partition was decided by the Government of Ireland Act 1920 prior to the Treaty negotiations. It was never really on the table hence the very few references to it in the Dail debates. You're quite correct; the Oath was the major issue. DeValera was later to prove himself how right the claim of Collins that the Treaty gave Ireland the "freedom to achieve freedom" was. DeValera abolished the oath, brought in a new constitution and the Republic was achieved.
@padraigomairtin you're correct in saying that it was already decided previously, but dev's followers would have seen the treaty as making this permanent.. a rather thin argument, but there ya go.
@lynottlives I agree but this was long after the event. Northern Ireland was barely mentioned in the Dail debates. The big usses were the oath and the King of England as head of state and it is these two issues that led to civil war not partition.
Well done, short and to the point. Great choice of music and photographs with a clear voice over.
I worked as a tour guide in Kilmainham Jail in 2008 and there above all other places is the tragedy of the Civil War brought into focus. No matter how many times I did the tour, the place where Irish men executed Irish men always caught me and choked me as I passed by the wall on my way into the courtyard where the Leaders were executed in 1916.
the irish people did not ratify the treaty, all the treaty did was make a provision for a 26 county general election.
cucueire 1 month ago
At 1:51 the video claims the IRA 'captured and killed' JJ 'Ginger' O'Connell in the Four Courts leaving Collins with 'no option' but to start the civil war. The truth is O'Connell wasn't killed by the IRA in 1922, he died in 1944, 20 years later.
TomBarry192I 4 months ago
pleasepleaseplease! do you by any chance have the source of this vid? Title, direction, year.. that sort of stuff? I really need it.
winter7night 1 year ago
@winter7night This is a short video I created myself, Ciaran O'Callaghan. The title is the same and it was created in 2009. The pictures are all taken for the cork multitext project which I had permission to use and the music is Lux Athena by Clint Mansell.
cally982 1 year ago
@cally982 Thanks a lot! You just saved my research :)
winter7night 1 year ago
really good work, i wonder why the government of Ireland act of 1920 is not generally remembered when talking about partition... it was fairly impossible to get the 32 county from the start...
miss communication, its all it was...
almery1916 1 year ago
I agree great video. Just one point: Partition was decided by the Government of Ireland Act 1920 prior to the Treaty negotiations. It was never really on the table hence the very few references to it in the Dail debates. You're quite correct; the Oath was the major issue. DeValera was later to prove himself how right the claim of Collins that the Treaty gave Ireland the "freedom to achieve freedom" was. DeValera abolished the oath, brought in a new constitution and the Republic was achieved.
padraigomairtin 2 years ago
@padraigomairtin you're correct in saying that it was already decided previously, but dev's followers would have seen the treaty as making this permanent.. a rather thin argument, but there ya go.
lynottlives 1 year ago
@lynottlives I agree but this was long after the event. Northern Ireland was barely mentioned in the Dail debates. The big usses were the oath and the King of England as head of state and it is these two issues that led to civil war not partition.
padraigomairtin 1 year ago
@padraigomairtin oh yeah, no you're right.
lynottlives 1 year ago
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TomBarry192I 4 months ago
Well done, short and to the point. Great choice of music and photographs with a clear voice over.
I worked as a tour guide in Kilmainham Jail in 2008 and there above all other places is the tragedy of the Civil War brought into focus. No matter how many times I did the tour, the place where Irish men executed Irish men always caught me and choked me as I passed by the wall on my way into the courtyard where the Leaders were executed in 1916.
gerrycooley 2 years ago