@MikeGuerrios if you look at that match again, at the end sagat KO-ed to the very last hit of the metsu so if daigo only did a LP shoryu, sagat might have survived so he was right to do the ex version
I wish I could play on a level that these guys play at, but I'm not even close to what these guys can do. Kudos to those that can actually play this well.
just practice. like learning to walk. soon u can do things without really thinking. u think on how ur opponent move and u react to it. once at that level, it gets more fun.. takes some serious man hours though. i wish i put as many hours playing a guitar than videogames
The pros mostly play high tier characters b/c they do better against the rest of the cast. Sagat and Ryu are 2 of the best where as Vega is pretty low. There are some solid bison's out there though.
U may say he's low tier because u cant use him but 2 those who can like myself it's another story. I wouldn't say any character is low tier, it all depends on d user. i've prob been beaten by every character in the game online due to the fact that the user knows how 2 use his character...
But actually I'm yet 2 meet a FeiLong, C.Viper or El Fuerte user who can beat me...
It's a simple fact: High tiers compensate for skill to a certain extent, but yeah you can kick ass with whoever you want. So you lost to a Dan? Tsk tsk tsk.
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ah, tsk tsk tsk 2u.
Ur judgin Dan on his personal character (comic relief aka idiot) that's low level menality when playin a fightin game. If Dan was as useless as he seems, Capcom wouldn't put him in the game... I once met a Dan who suprisingly had over 7000 in ranked match, I managed 2 beat that one it was another Dan who got me that time...
Well if Ryu would be so overpowered as u say...why i watched sagat vs. ryu then instead of ryu vs. ryu?
and why was the last japanese final ken vs. dhalsim then? think before u post...this game is not imbalanced...street fighter is still the best balanced beat em up i know...
Well... all characters are NOT equalized, and Ryu, Sagat, Zangief are ridicously overpowered. All can be goods using smart and skill, but with same level, if you use one of that top tiers, you take advantage. Ryu have ALL: good crossover, best soryuken, fast hadoken,easy combo Ultra, good power/stamina,forward+medium punch,easy powered combos...and Capcom insert a shortcut for the soryuken!! OK Capcom, this is your RYUFIGHTER 4... it sucks.The online is soooo boring (ryu, ryu, ryu, ryu...)
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agreed dude! Ryu,Sagat and Zangief are ridicously overpowered.
You can land a 156416 hit combo in Zangief that will barely scratch him, if he grabs you, half of your hp is gone, this game is totally out of ballance!!!
And you are right about online plays (Ryu,Ryu,Ryu,Ryu,Ryu,Ryu,Ryu...) but i like to screw them good with M.Bison or Ken ;D
Have you even played the fucking game you thick mother fucker. He walks so mother fucking slow and the time it takes him to counter attack a move such as a shuriuken is mother fucking unbelievable.
Shut the fuck up you thick retarded cock sucking retarded mother fucking cunt.
You fucking noob i know he can dash, but guess what everybody else can dash also you retarded mother fucker and oh yeah everybody else dashes faster, so that does gave him a disadvantage you retarded mother fucking cunt licking cock sucking mother fucking ass shit eating son of a bitch.
And oh yeah, i do have the game, on ps3.
I bet your dad just one time gave you a quarter to play in the arcade and you lost to sagat.
I can say same thing about Vega, Balrog, Bison, Honda, Blanka. they don't have much things Ryu has, but it's pretty annoing when somebody pick em to spam theese punches all over the screen. They just sit and wait to jump or slide from the other side of the screen and after they knock you down they try to cross you or continue spamming theese attacks every time you stand up. Blanka is the champion of theese spammings. And online become really boring when i see (blanka blanka balrog balrog ..)
For the most part Ken's Shoryuken is better. You can use an ultra after Ryus but thats only if u have it ^^ And online u face many different people. and if u cant handle Ryu then don't play the game :3
So? I was arguing between Ken and Ryu because the person above me stated something completely false. Ryu's Shoryuken is in fact superior to Ken's. It does more damage and has better priority/frames. Especially on counter hit, it's MUCH better than Ken's Shoryuken.
You can't reason with some of the people on this page because they refuse to believe that some characters are simply BETTER than each other.
They think that Ryu is the same as Ken, Zangief is the same as Abel, and Sagat is the same as Sakura! Eveything is balanced in their mind, so what can you say?
Did I say Ryu is equal with anyone else? I said he's 2nd on the tier list.
Just because he's 2nd doesn't mean he's cheap or imbalanced. You keep saying that "everyone has to work twice as hard to beat Ryu" compared to how hard he has to work to beat them.
If that were true he wouldn't have TEN 50-50 matchups. Apparently you don't realize that means that the matchup is equally difficult for both players.
Everyone here but you seems to realize and accept the fact that Ryu is very good. But its like you just look at the tier list and go "omg Ryu is #2 he's so cheap!"
A 5-5 matchup means that with 2 equally skilled players they will each win 50% of the time (Ryu has 10 of these matchups) so stop whining and saying that he has to work half has hard to win.
U're one of those kids that wants every character to be equal. Thats never going to happen unless you give everyone the exact same moveset.
And to be honest, I can actually care less if you think that Ryu is "imba" or "broken" or "cheap"
Go on believing that for the rest of the time you play SF4, I can really care less. I'm done arguing with a whiner that thinks he is right and everyone (including players far better than himself) are wrong.
Ryu is effective, but his fireball is nowhere as fast as Sagat's.
And he is only A tier because of Daigo. Without Daigo's enormous BP contribution to Arcadia's Ryu tier ranking, he'd be somewhere between A and B. Go google it :)
Has anyone noticed with the exception of Diago that when there is a decent Ryu no one ever says "wow thats a good Ryu" "or what he did was awesome", same for Sagat being that everybody CAN DO and have seen the things that they both do over a 1000 times. When someone like Abel comes along and pulls of a flashy combo everybody becomes intrigued, if I do something good with able people send me messages congratulating me, not boasting, just making a point ;))
You should go check out the Korean champion who also mains Ryu. He pulls off combos i've yet to even see Daigo do granted he was unable to beat Daigo. You'd be surprised what you haven't seen done yet
yup poongko is starting to scare me.. korea has been coming up strong in almost every newer fighting game so far... (tk6 and blazblue) but cant deny that japan is still top...
Sagat isn't god tier. All you bitches just have to stop crying cuz it aint Sagat its just you. if you shit just take it cuz anyone who knows how to play can play wid anyone and still be as good as if they was playing with their favourite. So stop whing you little bitches.
Ken/Guile: Both ultra's and super's are stronger than Ryu's, not to mention Ken's shoryuken/hurricane kick are also stronger and have faster startup (go look at frame data).
Sagat/Zangief: Thats not a weakness its a balancing mechanism, if they had fast walking speed both would be incredibly imbalanced. Once Zangief gets close to you or gets a knockdown its simply a guessing game on how to not get dmgd.
Blanka: Only vulnerable if you have full super as Ryu, otherwise NO WAY to punish on block.
Ken: His flame Shoruken (one of his best moves leaves him wide open if whiffed/missed. His ultra lacks ways to combo into and has limited range.
Guile: Difficult time comboing into his Ultras, flash kick can oftens trades if timed incorrectly.
Vega: Can't combo into his Ultra, no cross up, lacks powerful moves
Sagat/Zangief/Dhalsim: There slow speed IS there weakness, no matter HOW you try to rephrase it, also becasue there size they are also a EASIER target.
Chunli/Akuma/Seth: Again, its called a balancing mechanism. Those characters are so fast, have such good dmg, and mobility around the stage that they need to have lower hp. Its funny how they each have a 50-50 matchup with "cheap" Ryu.
Abel: His ground game is good, and his ultra shuts down Ryu's fireball game completely.
"Ken/Ryu ust to be on par with each other but now they had made Ryu 5 times better than him."
Lol this proves you have no idea what you're talking about.
Blanka: Has limited combos, difficult to combo into his Ultra, Beast roll can be punished by numerous fighters if blocked provided they have HALF an ultra. Every Blanka users ALWAYS does about a 100 beast rolls a match.
Abel: No Safe Anti air, really poor long distance game, relies on chasing fighter across the arena, I should know I use Abel ;)
Chunli/Akuma/Seth/Sakura etc: Low HP, YES you are correct they have good speed great moves, but if the slip up once or twice, they PAY THE PRICE...
cont....Which means to play Seth Akuma Chunli etc means that there is a level of SKILL IS NEEDED, you can't just pick up those characters and start owning the place up.
Ryu: ..........um....
What level of skill is needed to play Ryu?!!?!? even the most retarded can turn Ryu into a worthy opponent, simple. I could use Sagat and Ryu and kick ass, but it would mean nothing since they have serious advantages over the rest of the cast.
Great - well these are tournaments and people are playing to win. If theres a player whos incredibly good, but plays vega who isnt as good as ryu than its too bad. If hes so incredibly skilled then by your logic he should be the best player if he switches to noobie sagat -he wouldnt be as good, since vega suits him,hes gonna have a hard time with vega, but if hes the best player - he can do Ok with vega. Who cares who has an advantage, in tournaments it doesnt matter, just play so ur the best...
Ok you would be awesome with em and who cares. Everything takes skill, with ryu might be really simple, does it mean you dont need skill with him? No, you just need more of the basic skills, with ryu its more about timing,prediction and simple things. Just do the simple stuff, nothing complicated, just get your timing better and learn to react fast to certain scenarios, also read your opponent so you know what he does. He doesnt need as many skills, and complex skills, but he needs more of them.
Crying?? Nah mate, just stating the facts I only argue when I know I'm right, besides YOU responded to me first.
But in regards to the Ken/Ryu scenario this is the ONLY thing I agree with what you wrote. Fair enough Ken has HAD his time to shine, he has been on top for a decade, but damn they didn't have to make the comparison between Ken/Ryu so vast in Ryu's favor.
Ryu HAS combos outside of the corner, he doesn't NEED to have supa dupa fantastic combos to win a match don't you get it. Plus he has his Super/Ultra which are EASILY comboed.
If Ryu is on par with everybody else WHY is he second tier, he is ONLY beaten by SAGAT because he is OP, he even beat Zangief for godsake. You believing everybody is on PAR with Ryu is a joke. The only fighters who inflict more damage than Ryu is sagat/Zangief and probably a couple of bosses, nothing to shout about
So then, by your logic, a Ryu should ALWAYS place #1 or #2 in a tournament.
Did a Ryu win the Japanese National Tournament? No. A Dhalsim did, no Ryu player even made it to the Quarter-Finals.
Did a Ryu win the American National Tournament? No a Rufus did. Again, no Ryu in the finals.
I'm not arguing with you by saying that Ryu is bad in this game. He's very good but, he's not unbeatable, or cheap, or "broken." This game is FAR more balanced than 3rdStrike or any other SF game. Stop crying.
There you go again rambling I wrote Ryu has NO WEAKNESSES, I didn't come out and write Ryu was unstoppable or even the best character (even though he is second in the tier league), you haven't dispproved what I'm writing. And for info Diago RYU beat IYO Dhalsim, the national Japanese champion.
Lol its definitely just you. You probably jump too much on Ryu and get absolutely hammered by him. Thats not Ryu being overpowered, thats you playing right into his strengths.
Im not wasting my time with another character; Im still trying to get to G1 (Im @ 7,400 GP) and yes I play Ryu.
He may be simple to learn but is difficult to master. Ryu doesn't excel at any one thing, he has no good combos outside of the corner, doesnt deal big dmg with any of his moves, isnt super fast etc.
To Razaman: I know you play Ryu LOL thats the reason why you can't take you rose tinted spectacles of. Ryu is a beginners character and the easiest to master being that he has the MOST complete skill set, YOU CAN'T play any other characters because it actually means you have to....THINK!! lol.
You have no logical argument and you can't refute what I'm writing dude. The things you mentioned AREN'T WEAKNESSES, being balanced is NOT a weakness..errr duh! Just accept it.
From razman: "Lol its definitely just you. You probably jump too much on Ryu and get absolutely hammered by him. Thats not Ryu being overpowered, thats you playing right into his strengths."
This is a silly comment if you consistently jump on ANY fighter you get hammered (obviously) Ken and Sagat proably being the worst about it, not JUST with Ryu.
Ryu has his weaknesses, hence he's #2 not #1. His biggest one being that he has to work hard for his damage. Look at how hard Daigo was working at the beginning of that first round, and then look how Sagat evens it up with basically two Tiger Uppercuts and a HK.
There's no doubt that Ryu is very good but he DOES have his weaknesses just like everyone else. And I don't see why you're complaining about Ken/Ryu being so far apart. In 3S Ken was far ahead of Ryu, get used to it.
RYU doesn't have any inherent weaknesses. OK, Dhalsim SLoooww...thats a weakness....Akuma takes as much damage as he dishes out thats a weakness, we could right through the 25 characters (even Sagat), but I hope by now you get my point. The difference between Sagat n Ryu is that one is strong the other quick and agile, but with their move set they are both capable of shutting down any character within seconds.
Its kind of amusing that it reminds me of the Capcom game Megaman lol where all the bosses Megaman faced had great strengths BUT they all had a chink in their armor just like the characters in ST4. But in this situation RYU IS Megaman, he can beat everyone, but everyone else has to work twice as hard to beat him, the only one who probably DOESN'T have to is Sagat.
Your stupid, because you fail to realise that some characters are BETTER than others, its only an idiot who would compare SAKURA to SAGAT! There are (cheap) characters who have very limited weaknesses etc , RYU is one of them.
I never said Sagat isn't better, in fact, Sagat is considered the best character in the game. He isn't S-tier for no reason. However, despite him being ranked the highest tiered character, he has no SERIOUS advantageous match-ups. The tier system works such that even though a tier system does exist, lower tiered characters have an easier time beating higher tiered characters than in games such as Third Strike. In sfiv, the match-ups are pretty much 5's and 6's across the board.
I'm PRETTY sure Zangief can deal more damage than Sagat in one special move. If you want to talk about who's the STRONGEST, then there are a few characters that do beat Sagat. However, Sagat has high combo possibilities, easy Ultra setups, a defensive and offensive game, above average defense and solid damage output.
However, contrary to popular belief, he is NOT overpowered or broken. If he was, he'd be dominating in tournaments in japan, but not one Sagat player has won yet.
Sagat does have serious advantageous in match ups:
He has longer reach
Above average health
Packs a serious amount of damage
Great Ultra...etc
List is endless, same for RYU, your right lower tiered character CAN beat higher ones. But because of the power higher tier characters posses, they take less time and less SKILL to master.
Someone like Diago wouldn't walk into a Tournament with Rose, he has an easier time with RYU who has limited weaknesses.
Um, Ryu has many weaknesses. Having played him for about 3 months straight now, i can tell you that he has a lot more weaknesses than someone like Bison or Balrog or Blanka. He has no "invincible" move, like Rufus' EX Messiah kick or Balrogs EX Head Butt, or Blankas EX ball. Sure he can juggle very easily with an EX fireball, his super or his ultra, but you have to get them into a juggle, so there's still effort involved. If you're playing against a scrub and you have Rufus, all you need is EX.
ok if you want to talk about cheapness for connecting ultras, if you jump in on abel and he gets his down hard bunch in, he just has to hit you once with his quarter circle foward punch thing and then the ultra is guaranteed, and considering how much damage it does id say that pretty cheap. sagat has to either get you with the forward hard kick or do a shoryuken while youre jumping in, which even if you hit him and he doesnt get to cancel he can still get the ultra, and rufus has like a million
ways of comboing into his ultra, are u kidding me? and yes sure all those moves can be blocked, im just saying that those moves can all go through ultras and supers, and can pretty much go through any other attack. as in, they cant be interupted. what moves does ryu have which can do that? sure hes a pretty well balanced character, but thats his weakness. he doesnt even have any good poking moves for gods sake, other than his down medium kick, which does like no damage anyway so sry but hes weak
No matter what you write Ryu is a top tier character. Ryu light/medium punch kick are block stuns/string and used to set up combos. Rufus (who has weak long distance game) and most of the other characters still have TO GET to Ryu, Ryu doesn't HAVE to do shit except throw fireballs and counter with light dragon punches. His Supers/ultra and Krazy easy to connect, and he has one of the best cross ups in the game. He DOESN'T have any vulnerabilities, while everbody else does.
what i meant was hes a well balanced character, and thats his weakness because hes not especially good at any one thing, for example, hes not good at poking, his anti air is ok, his ultra, unless its combo'd into doesnt do as much damage as most others. the only good things about him is his range game is the second best in the game (after sagat) and his super is very easy to get a hit with. other than that he has average defense, average offense, and average speed. get what i mean?
He doesn't HAVE to be super dupa fantastic at any one thing, because he doesn't NEED to be. But since you mentioned it his Ultra/supers are his power points. He has ALL the tools in the game to beat anyone, he has an answer for everything and no weakness which explains why his top tier and kens NOT. Hes a silly character. Ken/Ryu ust to be on par with each other but now they had made Ryu 5 times better than him.
Sagat/Zangieg: Zangief's backhand = across the screen quickly and negate hado's. Sagat's attacks are uber high dmg.
Blanka: cball actually drops him back pretty far when blocked, not to mention his electricity defense does decent damage protects from back side attacks and easy to initiate.
Akuma = huge move arsenal, air fireball, huge dmg ultra.
Abel = over head kick and roll are excellent long range counters.
Mechjoo: So what? whats this list meant to mean, I never wrote that other characters don't have strengths!! I wrote they ALL HAVE weaknesses for the 50th time, whilst Ryu DOESN'T. Jeezzz
Super takes of quarter of health and Insanly easy to combo, hardly his weakpoint.
At least SEVEN yes seven different ways perhaps even more ways to combo into his Ultra.
Hes a silly cheap character who takes little to no skill to master, he is used to draw in rookies being the host of the game. He also has an unfair advantage **cough - no weakness - cough** over the rest which is why Diago uses him! Case closed!
MrVietStuRR: Yes Ryu Is cheap, hell yeah!!! he is a beginners character and the EASIEST to master, his learning curve is a flat line. Obviously someone like Diago has alot of experience under his belt so he knows how to fight different opponents, but how far would he get if he choose someone like Rose!?!? I mean considering the game sooo well balanced as everyone loves to point out he wouldn't have a problem...would he??
Ok, we are obviously going round in circles, you haven't named ONE concrete weakness. He is second in the tier ranking and is ONLY beaten by sagat becasue Sagat is Over powered and the BEST character.
Lol to master... every character is pretty much the same hard to master (by what you mean as "mastering" that is. Theres more to fighting games than just combos/ultras damage, health, whatever - it needs skills - timing, prediction, experience etc... Its not about the character, its about the players skill..
Ryu suits daigo, and its his choice. Im pretty sure he played other characters in sf2 mainly -ken and balrog, and he was VERY good with them aswell.
Im not saying it is perfectly balanced. He would obviously not be as good, because he preffers ryu, just as sagat players preffer sagat and wouldnt be as good with ryu, zangief players wouldnt be as good with ryu etc etc.
If he really tryed he would be good enough to have decent placings at tournamens. If he magicly played vega from the beggining and really liked his style and was as good with him as he is with ryu, he would probably be one of the best players in the world,
or he would very good, and would place well at tournaments. But he wouldnt be the best player, because vega arent good enough characters for that. But yes, he would be VERY good and would in my opinion be in top 20 players.
Hes a gifted player, and concidered the best player, being the best player overall and of ryu - a popular character, that does mean something.
All pro tournament players play the character their best with, bot the ones that they like for fun.
If you think I'm writing cod shite then I propose a challenge to, your obviously a Ryu fan, so take a step back and choose a different character (no NOT Sagat) without making a dive for the top tier fighters, be adventurous and choose someone like Gen/Abel or Rose etc. Now play a decent Ryu above 4500 BP (you'll find alot of them since they don't know who else to be) , not a scrub who does random uppercuts all day. See what you find and come back, if you can't find a problem then maybe its me
u know if sagat and zangief have good speed it'll be imbalanced right?
so why are u considering negations that contribute to balance as weaknesses?
anyway u really do sound like u know a lot.
"even though there are 1000 viewpoints that go against mine. I would stand by my opinion and not even consider the credibility and skill level of others."
u've got a point but mastering sagat is probably harder than any character in street fighter except bison. He might have power but timing his attacks is everything because once u use attack wid tiger uppercut or knee and it is blocked u best say ur prayers cuz dats the deadliest mistake u can make. Abel is also cheap with his roll where he just rolls past you and u cant do nothing about it. if u wanna say ur really good master Zangief, bison, rose or el fuerte
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Daigo uses the easiest character to master, he has no mind games id love to see him face of with murderninja on psn. he'll get smoked for jokes. he has no skill i'll beat him with my eyes closed.
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I don't know why sab3rm4str99 is getting thumbs down, hes right Ryu is a beginners character and takes very little skill to master, plus he has no weaknesses. This is why Diago uses him.
I most likely understand more than you. I've been playing street fighter since number . I can beat daigo in my sleep. I've been practising combos which once started will only end once the players KOed and trust me if u wanna play me my psn is z451_i. on ps3 but if ur connection is weak u'll get kicked.
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I don't understand why a lot of people complain about Sagat when Ryu is the second cheapest character in the game. They're both practically identical save Sagat being just a little bit better.
All Daigo ever does is throw hadoukens. And the best way to counter a hadouken spammer is become one. (E.g. Sagat.)
It's practically the 1st cheapest vs the 2nd cheapest. And I'm kinda rooting for the 1st cheapest on this one.
they took parrys out to be more like SFII and the reason alot of pros "spam" hadoukens is because it controls horizontal space and this game is all about controlling space
Nope I was never that good to parry effective ,Im actually better in SF4 than SF3 (more like 2).
I just recognize that parrying a 18 hit super requires mad skill , getting rewarded with a 50% consuming life bar attack for getting hit is unreasonable to me.
Parrying Chun's SA2 isn't that hard, it's 17 hits mid screen on shotos and losing for most of the match as a result of poor decisions and coming back by guessing properly against a technique that in any other situation is staple is arguably unfair the Chun player. Honestly I think every fighting game has it's share of bullshit.
Ono didn't like the route SF was going with SF3. he felt it was much too technical with parrying so he took it out in favor of Focus/Saving Attacks. they work almost in a similar way, but it's much less dependable than parrying. i personally agree with Ono's decision because just knowing how to parry then pull off a quick strong combo was all SF3 was about most of the time. but in SF4 it's back to its SF2 roots with raw fighting.
Nice finish. o.o
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mtlaw007 2 years ago
light SRK would have probally traded with sagats m punch.
has any videos of daigo shows he uses light srk into ultra? coz i havent seen any!
jonnyjai1314 2 years ago
ken SRK is best for recovery
jonnyjai1314 2 years ago
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4:00, why didn't he just LP Dragon Punch. He could have saved the meter by not FADC-ing and got the same outcome.
MikeGuerrios 2 years ago
more damage and a confirm. l. SRK probably wouldn't have popped him in the air enough
Mafamaticks 2 years ago 2
@MikeGuerrios if you look at that match again, at the end sagat KO-ed to the very last hit of the metsu so if daigo only did a LP shoryu, sagat might have survived so he was right to do the ex version
KingdomLordz 2 years ago
because it's a noob move (for me)
swordzzzzz 2 years ago
I liked the end, he he guard damage was enough so quickly used everything.
Killcycle1989 2 years ago
I wish I could play on a level that these guys play at, but I'm not even close to what these guys can do. Kudos to those that can actually play this well.
Tension027 2 years ago
just practice. like learning to walk. soon u can do things without really thinking. u think on how ur opponent move and u react to it. once at that level, it gets more fun.. takes some serious man hours though. i wish i put as many hours playing a guitar than videogames
X0UKI 2 years ago 3
Wish I could play this game in the arcades instead of freakin' Xbox live. How come I see very few people in these competitions use Vega or Bison?
exitar33 2 years ago
The pros mostly play high tier characters b/c they do better against the rest of the cast. Sagat and Ryu are 2 of the best where as Vega is pretty low. There are some solid bison's out there though.
Toya3816 2 years ago
Hope u mean vega as in japan vega and not rest of d world vega, vega is not low at all sonny jim...
Chuckwunoso 2 years ago
Vega = Claw, Bison = Dictator
Toya3816 2 years ago
tsk tsk tsk
U may say he's low tier because u cant use him but 2 those who can like myself it's another story. I wouldn't say any character is low tier, it all depends on d user. i've prob been beaten by every character in the game online due to the fact that the user knows how 2 use his character...
But actually I'm yet 2 meet a FeiLong, C.Viper or El Fuerte user who can beat me...
Chuckwunoso 2 years ago
It's a simple fact: High tiers compensate for skill to a certain extent, but yeah you can kick ass with whoever you want. So you lost to a Dan? Tsk tsk tsk.
Toya3816 2 years ago
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ah, tsk tsk tsk 2u.
Ur judgin Dan on his personal character (comic relief aka idiot) that's low level menality when playin a fightin game. If Dan was as useless as he seems, Capcom wouldn't put him in the game... I once met a Dan who suprisingly had over 7000 in ranked match, I managed 2 beat that one it was another Dan who got me that time...
Chuckwunoso 2 years ago
Dagger G plays Guile though.
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KillaHitman 2 years ago
i say daigo pulled this one out of his ass just like the one with justin wong. no denying his freaking good at it
misterchango 2 years ago
The crossup at 3:44 was crazy haha.
illyillyill 2 years ago
sry i gave you a thumb down, i mistaked the buttons
misticalform 2 years ago
@misticalform you sir, are a prick
elweydeallado 1 year ago
some people are forgetting they have different dash speeds as well.
Nvoy123 2 years ago
Well if Ryu would be so overpowered as u say...why i watched sagat vs. ryu then instead of ryu vs. ryu?
and why was the last japanese final ken vs. dhalsim then? think before u post...this game is not imbalanced...street fighter is still the best balanced beat em up i know...
IMB4L4ND 2 years ago
haha youre all a group of retards.
and on a side note at the end if he used his ultra he woulda gone thru that super and won.
Itsallover57 2 years ago
he was in block stun
timothylhm 2 years ago
Well... all characters are NOT equalized, and Ryu, Sagat, Zangief are ridicously overpowered. All can be goods using smart and skill, but with same level, if you use one of that top tiers, you take advantage. Ryu have ALL: good crossover, best soryuken, fast hadoken,easy combo Ultra, good power/stamina,forward+medium punch,easy powered combos...and Capcom insert a shortcut for the soryuken!! OK Capcom, this is your RYUFIGHTER 4... it sucks.The online is soooo boring (ryu, ryu, ryu, ryu...)
tigreIII 2 years ago
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agreed dude! Ryu,Sagat and Zangief are ridicously overpowered.
You can land a 156416 hit combo in Zangief that will barely scratch him, if he grabs you, half of your hp is gone, this game is totally out of ballance!!!
And you are right about online plays (Ryu,Ryu,Ryu,Ryu,Ryu,Ryu,Ryu...) but i like to screw them good with M.Bison or Ken ;D
zeh0the0don 2 years ago
Are you mentally retarded.
Zangief and Sagat are over powered my ass.
They maybe stronger than the rest but the damage they take is equal to the rest and their power is also balanced out with their speed.
It'll take a retard to not know how to get away from zangief and sagat, it takes him the piss to counter attack or move away from an attack.
You retarded thick fuck.
sab3rm4st3r99 2 years ago 2
ur fucking blind or just gay?
Sagat , slow?? just deep in your ass!
and yes, Gief need far more hit to get KO'd.
Im not sayng its hard to beat them, im so used to do it, but Sagat's leg its almost as wide as Dahlsin's arms, and he is also a fireball spammer
so
Stronger+4 meter legs+fireball sapammer = OVERPOWERED
zeh0the0don 2 years ago
Suck my dick you retarded other fucker.
Have you even played the fucking game you thick mother fucker. He walks so mother fucking slow and the time it takes him to counter attack a move such as a shuriuken is mother fucking unbelievable.
You thick cock sucker.
sab3rm4st3r99 2 years ago 2
are u fucking gay?
U WALK IN THIS GAME
AUHAUHAUHAUAHUAHAUHA FUCKING NOOB!!!!
fucking noob,Have you even played the fucking game you thick mother fucker?
Do You Know the "dash"????
retarded bitch, it doesn't matter if he "walks slow" idiot fucker, HE CAN DASH YOU MATHEFUCKER!!
You thick cock sucker.
now shut up
zeh0the0don 2 years ago
Shut the fuck up you thick retarded cock sucking retarded mother fucking cunt.
You fucking noob i know he can dash, but guess what everybody else can dash also you retarded mother fucker and oh yeah everybody else dashes faster, so that does gave him a disadvantage you retarded mother fucking cunt licking cock sucking mother fucking ass shit eating son of a bitch.
And oh yeah, i do have the game, on ps3.
I bet your dad just one time gave you a quarter to play in the arcade and you lost to sagat.
sab3rm4st3r99 2 years ago 2
This comment has received too many negative votes show
"but guess what everybody else can dash also"
UAHAUHUAHUAHAUHAUHAUHAUHA
you are a genius!
you discovered that everybody can dash!
so, Sagat fucked you and you liked it?
ur gay man, for real man, ur dont even like girls, hahaha
zeh0the0don 2 years ago
please spare us your noob comments
darknessredefine 2 years ago 2
both sagat and zangief have more vitality than almost every other character, so no you're incorrect. Zangief having the most vitality of any fighter.
Mysterio467 2 years ago
Thats the thing with zangief. He may have alot of vitality but its easy to get hits on him and avoid him because his so slow.
Thick bastard.
sab3rm4st3r99 2 years ago
I can say same thing about Vega, Balrog, Bison, Honda, Blanka. they don't have much things Ryu has, but it's pretty annoing when somebody pick em to spam theese punches all over the screen. They just sit and wait to jump or slide from the other side of the screen and after they knock you down they try to cross you or continue spamming theese attacks every time you stand up. Blanka is the champion of theese spammings. And online become really boring when i see (blanka blanka balrog balrog ..)
zverye 2 years ago
For the most part Ken's Shoryuken is better. You can use an ultra after Ryus but thats only if u have it ^^ And online u face many different people. and if u cant handle Ryu then don't play the game :3
RumbleFighterAkira 2 years ago
No actually, Ryu's Shoryuken is better in this game. It does more damage.
A2ZOMG 2 years ago
@A2ZOMG i think seth's one is better.
swordzzzzz 2 years ago
So? I was arguing between Ken and Ryu because the person above me stated something completely false. Ryu's Shoryuken is in fact superior to Ken's. It does more damage and has better priority/frames. Especially on counter hit, it's MUCH better than Ken's Shoryuken.
A2ZOMG 2 years ago
Ken's f. SRK is good in combos, but that's about it. For the most part his SRK is worse than Ryu's when it comes down to zoning.
Mafamaticks 2 years ago
Are their any pros that play as Guile?
T3sbestplayer 2 years ago
Daigo play as Guile sometimes(in older ST like SFII).But besides him i dont remember no one.
But Guile rocks anyway
zeh0the0don 2 years ago
Ryu is Tier A, because he can link his Ultras very well, yes Daigo plays him very well, but it overall it he didn't move Ryu up to Tier A.
Was very impressed with Daigo Hadokens with Dragon's Tiger shots, kept with them very well even at close range.
Billybobhorn 2 years ago
getting angry over a game.......wow
OgamiRei 2 years ago
You can't reason with some of the people on this page because they refuse to believe that some characters are simply BETTER than each other.
They think that Ryu is the same as Ken, Zangief is the same as Abel, and Sagat is the same as Sakura! Eveything is balanced in their mind, so what can you say?
KiddDynamite270 2 years ago 3
Did I say Ryu is equal with anyone else? I said he's 2nd on the tier list.
Just because he's 2nd doesn't mean he's cheap or imbalanced. You keep saying that "everyone has to work twice as hard to beat Ryu" compared to how hard he has to work to beat them.
If that were true he wouldn't have TEN 50-50 matchups. Apparently you don't realize that means that the matchup is equally difficult for both players.
TheRazaman 2 years ago
Everyone here but you seems to realize and accept the fact that Ryu is very good. But its like you just look at the tier list and go "omg Ryu is #2 he's so cheap!"
A 5-5 matchup means that with 2 equally skilled players they will each win 50% of the time (Ryu has 10 of these matchups) so stop whining and saying that he has to work half has hard to win.
U're one of those kids that wants every character to be equal. Thats never going to happen unless you give everyone the exact same moveset.
TheRazaman 2 years ago
And to be honest, I can actually care less if you think that Ryu is "imba" or "broken" or "cheap"
Go on believing that for the rest of the time you play SF4, I can really care less. I'm done arguing with a whiner that thinks he is right and everyone (including players far better than himself) are wrong.
Enjoy!
TheRazaman 2 years ago
Ryu is effective, but his fireball is nowhere as fast as Sagat's.
And he is only A tier because of Daigo. Without Daigo's enormous BP contribution to Arcadia's Ryu tier ranking, he'd be somewhere between A and B. Go google it :)
ocping 2 years ago
I agree with ocping, there are more people who can play sagat better in my area, Ryu is a tier better because of DAIGO
You mentioned about Abel? go look for Shiro's video
When everyone can play a Ryu decently, it takes more skill for ppl like Daigo to take Ryu to next level
hiei6706 2 years ago
Has anyone noticed with the exception of Diago that when there is a decent Ryu no one ever says "wow thats a good Ryu" "or what he did was awesome", same for Sagat being that everybody CAN DO and have seen the things that they both do over a 1000 times. When someone like Abel comes along and pulls of a flashy combo everybody becomes intrigued, if I do something good with able people send me messages congratulating me, not boasting, just making a point ;))
KiddDynamite270 2 years ago
You should go check out the Korean champion who also mains Ryu. He pulls off combos i've yet to even see Daigo do granted he was unable to beat Daigo. You'd be surprised what you haven't seen done yet
Noraa3903 2 years ago 2
You're talking about Poongko. He is very fun to watch. With practise and patience, he will be the best.
thejackel55 2 years ago
yup poongko is starting to scare me.. korea has been coming up strong in almost every newer fighting game so far... (tk6 and blazblue) but cant deny that japan is still top...
KillaHitman 2 years ago
Sagat sounds like a bitch in this game
chingvang559 2 years ago
Sagat isn't god tier. All you bitches just have to stop crying cuz it aint Sagat its just you. if you shit just take it cuz anyone who knows how to play can play wid anyone and still be as good as if they was playing with their favourite. So stop whing you little bitches.
sab3rm4st3r99 2 years ago
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AlphaQSilly 2 years ago
You're incredibly argumentative aren't you. Not only that but you just keep ignoring what other people say and forget what you have said.
Let's reflect shall we
"Ken/Guile: Difficult to connect there Ultra plus can't be combo'd
Sagat/Zangief: Slow walking speed
Blanka: Cannon roll leaves him vulnerable once blocked.
Chunli/Akuma/Seth etc: Low Stamina
Abel: No anti air move/long distance game"
Ken/Guile: Both can combo their ultra, so wrong there.
(post 1 of 4 or 5; stupid character count)
TheRazaman 2 years ago
Ken/Guile: Both ultra's and super's are stronger than Ryu's, not to mention Ken's shoryuken/hurricane kick are also stronger and have faster startup (go look at frame data).
Sagat/Zangief: Thats not a weakness its a balancing mechanism, if they had fast walking speed both would be incredibly imbalanced. Once Zangief gets close to you or gets a knockdown its simply a guessing game on how to not get dmgd.
Blanka: Only vulnerable if you have full super as Ryu, otherwise NO WAY to punish on block.
TheRazaman 2 years ago
Weaknesses
Ken: His flame Shoruken (one of his best moves leaves him wide open if whiffed/missed. His ultra lacks ways to combo into and has limited range.
Guile: Difficult time comboing into his Ultras, flash kick can oftens trades if timed incorrectly.
Vega: Can't combo into his Ultra, no cross up, lacks powerful moves
Sagat/Zangief/Dhalsim: There slow speed IS there weakness, no matter HOW you try to rephrase it, also becasue there size they are also a EASIER target.
KiddDynamite270 2 years ago
Chunli/Akuma/Seth: Again, its called a balancing mechanism. Those characters are so fast, have such good dmg, and mobility around the stage that they need to have lower hp. Its funny how they each have a 50-50 matchup with "cheap" Ryu.
Abel: His ground game is good, and his ultra shuts down Ryu's fireball game completely.
"Ken/Ryu ust to be on par with each other but now they had made Ryu 5 times better than him."
Lol this proves you have no idea what you're talking about.
(One more post)
TheRazaman 2 years ago
Blanka: Has limited combos, difficult to combo into his Ultra, Beast roll can be punished by numerous fighters if blocked provided they have HALF an ultra. Every Blanka users ALWAYS does about a 100 beast rolls a match.
Abel: No Safe Anti air, really poor long distance game, relies on chasing fighter across the arena, I should know I use Abel ;)
Chunli/Akuma/Seth/Sakura etc: Low HP, YES you are correct they have good speed great moves, but if the slip up once or twice, they PAY THE PRICE...
KiddDynamite270 2 years ago
cont....Which means to play Seth Akuma Chunli etc means that there is a level of SKILL IS NEEDED, you can't just pick up those characters and start owning the place up.
Ryu: ..........um....
What level of skill is needed to play Ryu?!!?!? even the most retarded can turn Ryu into a worthy opponent, simple. I could use Sagat and Ryu and kick ass, but it would mean nothing since they have serious advantages over the rest of the cast.
KiddDynamite270 2 years ago
Great - well these are tournaments and people are playing to win. If theres a player whos incredibly good, but plays vega who isnt as good as ryu than its too bad. If hes so incredibly skilled then by your logic he should be the best player if he switches to noobie sagat -he wouldnt be as good, since vega suits him,hes gonna have a hard time with vega, but if hes the best player - he can do Ok with vega. Who cares who has an advantage, in tournaments it doesnt matter, just play so ur the best...
dezp 2 years ago
Ok you would be awesome with em and who cares. Everything takes skill, with ryu might be really simple, does it mean you dont need skill with him? No, you just need more of the basic skills, with ryu its more about timing,prediction and simple things. Just do the simple stuff, nothing complicated, just get your timing better and learn to react fast to certain scenarios, also read your opponent so you know what he does. He doesnt need as many skills, and complex skills, but he needs more of them.
dezp 2 years ago
Ken and Ryu have NEVER been on par with each other in ANY of the games, clearly you're a fanboy of the cartoons/movies.
In 3rd Strike Ken is one of the top 3 characters in the game (and who Daigo used; Chunli and Yun above him) whereas Ryu is in Middle Tier.
In SF4 its reversed. Ryu is one of the top characters in the game and Ken is in Middle Tier.
The only time they've been "close" is in Super Turbo, but both were irrelevant in high level play because they weren't good.
STOP CRYING!
TheRazaman 2 years ago
^ Ryu can be used at high level play in ST. Didn't Daigo get 1st at evo two years in a row.
AlphaQSilly 2 years ago
Crying?? Nah mate, just stating the facts I only argue when I know I'm right, besides YOU responded to me first.
But in regards to the Ken/Ryu scenario this is the ONLY thing I agree with what you wrote. Fair enough Ken has HAD his time to shine, he has been on top for a decade, but damn they didn't have to make the comparison between Ken/Ryu so vast in Ryu's favor.
KiddDynamite270 2 years ago
Up to 50 posts and counting TheRazaman and you STILL can't name me one of Ryu's weakenesses, I won't hold my breath. LOL Take your time buddy.
KiddDynamite270 2 years ago
Not being able to do damage as easily as other ppl is a disadvantage. Not having good combos outside of the corner is a disadvantage.
You keep saying that Ryu has "serious advantages" over the rest of the cast. Yet if you look at any tier list he has MANY 50-50 matchups.
I guess you just know better than the entire SF4 community and all the high level players. You win.
TheRazaman 2 years ago
Ryu HAS combos outside of the corner, he doesn't NEED to have supa dupa fantastic combos to win a match don't you get it. Plus he has his Super/Ultra which are EASILY comboed.
If Ryu is on par with everybody else WHY is he second tier, he is ONLY beaten by SAGAT because he is OP, he even beat Zangief for godsake. You believing everybody is on PAR with Ryu is a joke. The only fighters who inflict more damage than Ryu is sagat/Zangief and probably a couple of bosses, nothing to shout about
KiddDynamite270 2 years ago
KiddDynamite, u're retardd. stfu kid.
all characters have their strengths and weaknesses. If daigo wanted to, he could probably play just as well with Sakura or even Dan.
faggot.
HwarangOfFaith 2 years ago
Are you some kind of dumb scrub? (rhetorical) Do you know what tiers are?
chasington89 2 years ago
Nah, tier-crying nubs like u are the real scrub. I'd bitch slap u silly with dan when u can use sagat.
HwarangOfFaith 2 years ago
So then, by your logic, a Ryu should ALWAYS place #1 or #2 in a tournament.
Did a Ryu win the Japanese National Tournament? No. A Dhalsim did, no Ryu player even made it to the Quarter-Finals.
Did a Ryu win the American National Tournament? No a Rufus did. Again, no Ryu in the finals.
I'm not arguing with you by saying that Ryu is bad in this game. He's very good but, he's not unbeatable, or cheap, or "broken." This game is FAR more balanced than 3rdStrike or any other SF game. Stop crying.
TheRazaman 2 years ago
There you go again rambling I wrote Ryu has NO WEAKNESSES, I didn't come out and write Ryu was unstoppable or even the best character (even though he is second in the tier league), you haven't dispproved what I'm writing. And for info Diago RYU beat IYO Dhalsim, the national Japanese champion.
KiddDynamite270 2 years ago
Lol its definitely just you. You probably jump too much on Ryu and get absolutely hammered by him. Thats not Ryu being overpowered, thats you playing right into his strengths.
Im not wasting my time with another character; Im still trying to get to G1 (Im @ 7,400 GP) and yes I play Ryu.
He may be simple to learn but is difficult to master. Ryu doesn't excel at any one thing, he has no good combos outside of the corner, doesnt deal big dmg with any of his moves, isnt super fast etc.
MINDGAMES!
TheRazaman 2 years ago
To Razaman: I know you play Ryu LOL thats the reason why you can't take you rose tinted spectacles of. Ryu is a beginners character and the easiest to master being that he has the MOST complete skill set, YOU CAN'T play any other characters because it actually means you have to....THINK!! lol.
You have no logical argument and you can't refute what I'm writing dude. The things you mentioned AREN'T WEAKNESSES, being balanced is NOT a weakness..errr duh! Just accept it.
KiddDynamite270 2 years ago
From razman: "Lol its definitely just you. You probably jump too much on Ryu and get absolutely hammered by him. Thats not Ryu being overpowered, thats you playing right into his strengths."
This is a silly comment if you consistently jump on ANY fighter you get hammered (obviously) Ken and Sagat proably being the worst about it, not JUST with Ryu.
KiddDynamite270 2 years ago
It's pretty ridiculous how much harder Ryu has to work for the same damage. Good match though, learned some things.
Legit253 2 years ago
Sagat is Ryu's rival and visa versa!
Nvoy123 2 years ago
@ KiddDynamite270
Ryu has his weaknesses, hence he's #2 not #1. His biggest one being that he has to work hard for his damage. Look at how hard Daigo was working at the beginning of that first round, and then look how Sagat evens it up with basically two Tiger Uppercuts and a HK.
There's no doubt that Ryu is very good but he DOES have his weaknesses just like everyone else. And I don't see why you're complaining about Ken/Ryu being so far apart. In 3S Ken was far ahead of Ryu, get used to it.
TheRazaman 2 years ago
RYU doesn't have any inherent weaknesses. OK, Dhalsim SLoooww...thats a weakness....Akuma takes as much damage as he dishes out thats a weakness, we could right through the 25 characters (even Sagat), but I hope by now you get my point. The difference between Sagat n Ryu is that one is strong the other quick and agile, but with their move set they are both capable of shutting down any character within seconds.
KiddDynamite270 2 years ago
Its kind of amusing that it reminds me of the Capcom game Megaman lol where all the bosses Megaman faced had great strengths BUT they all had a chink in their armor just like the characters in ST4. But in this situation RYU IS Megaman, he can beat everyone, but everyone else has to work twice as hard to beat him, the only one who probably DOESN'T have to is Sagat.
KiddDynamite270 2 years ago
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SGxONE 2 years ago
lovely
Fayejealousy 2 years ago
Havent we all learn, it doesnt matter if you are playing with Ryu, Sagat, or even Dan. If you are with them or cheap, they all can be deadly weapons
marchingeagle01 2 years ago
TRUE.
sab3rm4st3r99 2 years ago
I wan't to see what Diago really has, master someone like Abel, then he really have his work cut out for him.
KiddDynamite270 2 years ago
You're stupid. There's no such thing as a cheap character in SF4. If you can't beat them, then that's your fault.
Balmung102 2 years ago
Your stupid, because you fail to realise that some characters are BETTER than others, its only an idiot who would compare SAKURA to SAGAT! There are (cheap) characters who have very limited weaknesses etc , RYU is one of them.
KiddDynamite270 2 years ago
I never said Sagat isn't better, in fact, Sagat is considered the best character in the game. He isn't S-tier for no reason. However, despite him being ranked the highest tiered character, he has no SERIOUS advantageous match-ups. The tier system works such that even though a tier system does exist, lower tiered characters have an easier time beating higher tiered characters than in games such as Third Strike. In sfiv, the match-ups are pretty much 5's and 6's across the board.
Balmung102 2 years ago
hes not the Best character but the strongest...
Garudanime 2 years ago
I'm PRETTY sure Zangief can deal more damage than Sagat in one special move. If you want to talk about who's the STRONGEST, then there are a few characters that do beat Sagat. However, Sagat has high combo possibilities, easy Ultra setups, a defensive and offensive game, above average defense and solid damage output.
However, contrary to popular belief, he is NOT overpowered or broken. If he was, he'd be dominating in tournaments in japan, but not one Sagat player has won yet.
Balmung102 2 years ago
Sagat does have serious advantageous in match ups:
He has longer reach
Above average health
Packs a serious amount of damage
Great Ultra...etc
List is endless, same for RYU, your right lower tiered character CAN beat higher ones. But because of the power higher tier characters posses, they take less time and less SKILL to master.
Someone like Diago wouldn't walk into a Tournament with Rose, he has an easier time with RYU who has limited weaknesses.
KiddDynamite270 2 years ago
what do you think of akuma?
uKzLuXaFleX 2 years ago
Um, Ryu has many weaknesses. Having played him for about 3 months straight now, i can tell you that he has a lot more weaknesses than someone like Bison or Balrog or Blanka. He has no "invincible" move, like Rufus' EX Messiah kick or Balrogs EX Head Butt, or Blankas EX ball. Sure he can juggle very easily with an EX fireball, his super or his ultra, but you have to get them into a juggle, so there's still effort involved. If you're playing against a scrub and you have Rufus, all you need is EX.
PapaLeGrand 2 years ago
From papa: Um, Ryu has many weaknesses
I disagree Ryu has NO weaknesses while everybody else DOES.
Ken/Guile: Difficult to connect there Ultra plus can't be combo'd
Sagat/Zangief: Slow walking speed
Blanka: Cannon roll leaves him vulnerable once blocked.
Chunli/Akuma/Seth etc: Low Stamina
Abel: No anti air move/long distance game
Etc.. I didn't write that he CAN'T be beaten, but theres nothing he can't get himself out off, all of those EX moves you mentioned can be blocked.
KiddDynamite270 2 years ago
Ryu doesn't need a so called invincible EX move... being that he has a about 50 ways to connect his ultra/super lol ...cheap....
KiddDynamite270 2 years ago
ok if you want to talk about cheapness for connecting ultras, if you jump in on abel and he gets his down hard bunch in, he just has to hit you once with his quarter circle foward punch thing and then the ultra is guaranteed, and considering how much damage it does id say that pretty cheap. sagat has to either get you with the forward hard kick or do a shoryuken while youre jumping in, which even if you hit him and he doesnt get to cancel he can still get the ultra, and rufus has like a million
PapaLeGrand 2 years ago
ways of comboing into his ultra, are u kidding me? and yes sure all those moves can be blocked, im just saying that those moves can all go through ultras and supers, and can pretty much go through any other attack. as in, they cant be interupted. what moves does ryu have which can do that? sure hes a pretty well balanced character, but thats his weakness. he doesnt even have any good poking moves for gods sake, other than his down medium kick, which does like no damage anyway so sry but hes weak
PapaLeGrand 2 years ago
No matter what you write Ryu is a top tier character. Ryu light/medium punch kick are block stuns/string and used to set up combos. Rufus (who has weak long distance game) and most of the other characters still have TO GET to Ryu, Ryu doesn't HAVE to do shit except throw fireballs and counter with light dragon punches. His Supers/ultra and Krazy easy to connect, and he has one of the best cross ups in the game. He DOESN'T have any vulnerabilities, while everbody else does.
KiddDynamite270 2 years ago
From Papalegrand: "sure hes a pretty well balanced character, but thats his weakness"
What???!?! hes a well balanced character, and THATS his weakness?? I don't know if you meant that as a joke!! So I'm not going to elaborate on that.
KiddDynamite270 2 years ago
what i meant was hes a well balanced character, and thats his weakness because hes not especially good at any one thing, for example, hes not good at poking, his anti air is ok, his ultra, unless its combo'd into doesnt do as much damage as most others. the only good things about him is his range game is the second best in the game (after sagat) and his super is very easy to get a hit with. other than that he has average defense, average offense, and average speed. get what i mean?
PapaLeGrand 2 years ago
He doesn't HAVE to be super dupa fantastic at any one thing, because he doesn't NEED to be. But since you mentioned it his Ultra/supers are his power points. He has ALL the tools in the game to beat anyone, he has an answer for everything and no weakness which explains why his top tier and kens NOT. Hes a silly character. Ken/Ryu ust to be on par with each other but now they had made Ryu 5 times better than him.
KiddDynamite270 2 years ago
Ken: dpunch, ex cancel, to ultra
Sagat/Zangieg: Zangief's backhand = across the screen quickly and negate hado's. Sagat's attacks are uber high dmg.
Blanka: cball actually drops him back pretty far when blocked, not to mention his electricity defense does decent damage protects from back side attacks and easy to initiate.
Akuma = huge move arsenal, air fireball, huge dmg ultra.
Abel = over head kick and roll are excellent long range counters.
Mechjoo 2 years ago
Mechjoo: So what? whats this list meant to mean, I never wrote that other characters don't have strengths!! I wrote they ALL HAVE weaknesses for the 50th time, whilst Ryu DOESN'T. Jeezzz
KiddDynamite270 2 years ago
Ryu doesn't have an ex armor uppercut, his super while easy to combo isn't particularly powerful. His Ultra has an insanely long recovery period.
Mechjoo 2 years ago
He does have a EX armor uppercut lol
Super takes of quarter of health and Insanly easy to combo, hardly his weakpoint.
At least SEVEN yes seven different ways perhaps even more ways to combo into his Ultra.
Hes a silly cheap character who takes little to no skill to master, he is used to draw in rookies being the host of the game. He also has an unfair advantage **cough - no weakness - cough** over the rest which is why Diago uses him! Case closed!
KiddDynamite270 2 years ago
If you think ryu is cheap, then you must think sagat is overpowered
AxRankedxSniper 2 years ago
lol... Cheap?
and your trying to say daigo uses him cause hes easy to master and to draw in rookies? LOLLLL
have you seen the people hes beat? there crazy
MrVietStuRR 2 years ago
MrVietStuRR: Yes Ryu Is cheap, hell yeah!!! he is a beginners character and the EASIEST to master, his learning curve is a flat line. Obviously someone like Diago has alot of experience under his belt so he knows how to fight different opponents, but how far would he get if he choose someone like Rose!?!? I mean considering the game sooo well balanced as everyone loves to point out he wouldn't have a problem...would he??
KiddDynamite270 2 years ago
KiddDynamite, Ryu has his weaknesses, you're just being stubborn.
He has MANY 5-5 matchups; go look at the April 2009 Tier List on eventhubs. Type "sf4 tier list" into Google and its the first link you'll find.
If everyone had to "work twice as hard" to beat Ryu he would have all 7-3 matchups, whereas he only has one against lolDan.
This game is very well balanced (MUCH better than any other SF game), you're just bad at fighting Ryu.
TheRazaman 2 years ago
Ok, we are obviously going round in circles, you haven't named ONE concrete weakness. He is second in the tier ranking and is ONLY beaten by sagat becasue Sagat is Over powered and the BEST character.
KiddDynamite270 2 years ago
Lol to master... every character is pretty much the same hard to master (by what you mean as "mastering" that is. Theres more to fighting games than just combos/ultras damage, health, whatever - it needs skills - timing, prediction, experience etc... Its not about the character, its about the players skill..
Ryu suits daigo, and its his choice. Im pretty sure he played other characters in sf2 mainly -ken and balrog, and he was VERY good with them aswell.
Ryu is solid - little pros and no cons.
dezp 2 years ago
I mean he has little pros,and little cons... but say compared to some he might be weak, or have poor crossups.. whatever... natters compared to who.
The game is pretty balanced, besides sagat who is just way too good.
dezp 2 years ago
Dezp: Ok in that case Diago should be able to win any tournament with Dan or Vega. Considering its a well balanced game right???
KiddDynamite270 2 years ago
Im not saying it is perfectly balanced. He would obviously not be as good, because he preffers ryu, just as sagat players preffer sagat and wouldnt be as good with ryu, zangief players wouldnt be as good with ryu etc etc.
If he really tryed he would be good enough to have decent placings at tournamens. If he magicly played vega from the beggining and really liked his style and was as good with him as he is with ryu, he would probably be one of the best players in the world,
dezp 2 years ago
or he would very good, and would place well at tournaments. But he wouldnt be the best player, because vega arent good enough characters for that. But yes, he would be VERY good and would in my opinion be in top 20 players.
Hes a gifted player, and concidered the best player, being the best player overall and of ryu - a popular character, that does mean something.
All pro tournament players play the character their best with, bot the ones that they like for fun.
dezp 2 years ago
If you think I'm writing cod shite then I propose a challenge to, your obviously a Ryu fan, so take a step back and choose a different character (no NOT Sagat) without making a dive for the top tier fighters, be adventurous and choose someone like Gen/Abel or Rose etc. Now play a decent Ryu above 4500 BP (you'll find alot of them since they don't know who else to be) , not a scrub who does random uppercuts all day. See what you find and come back, if you can't find a problem then maybe its me
KiddDynamite270 2 years ago
go look up Kindevu playing rufus beasting on like 4 sagats
MrVietStuRR 2 years ago
errrm ok on weaknesses
u know if sagat and zangief have good speed it'll be imbalanced right?
so why are u considering negations that contribute to balance as weaknesses?
anyway u really do sound like u know a lot.
"even though there are 1000 viewpoints that go against mine. I would stand by my opinion and not even consider the credibility and skill level of others."
haha, whatever makes you happy but
i sure hope you can back that up.
=)
timothylhm 2 years ago
u've got a point but mastering sagat is probably harder than any character in street fighter except bison. He might have power but timing his attacks is everything because once u use attack wid tiger uppercut or knee and it is blocked u best say ur prayers cuz dats the deadliest mistake u can make. Abel is also cheap with his roll where he just rolls past you and u cant do nothing about it. if u wanna say ur really good master Zangief, bison, rose or el fuerte
sab3rm4st3r99 2 years ago
you can actually punish abel's roll. throw the moment he passes you. even his ex roll can't escape a throw.
DaveyDave808 2 years ago
Ryu and Sagat are both cheap characters fit for amatuers, the only difference between the two is that one is faster and the other is more powerful.
KiddDynamite270 2 years ago
If u get wat i mean reply back.
sab3rm4st3r99 2 years ago
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Daigo uses the easiest character to master, he has no mind games id love to see him face of with murderninja on psn. he'll get smoked for jokes. he has no skill i'll beat him with my eyes closed.
sab3rm4st3r99 2 years ago
there's more to using the easiest character. you got set-ups, karas, wake-ups, zoning, it's all strategy, which i don't think you understand.
rmnhn 2 years ago 3
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I don't know why sab3rm4str99 is getting thumbs down, hes right Ryu is a beginners character and takes very little skill to master, plus he has no weaknesses. This is why Diago uses him.
KiddDynamite270 2 years ago
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From rmnhn: got set-ups, karas, wake-ups, zoning, it's all strategy
All of those doesn't take much effort from using Ryu/Sagat its not rocket science!!
KiddDynamite270 2 years ago
I most likely understand more than you. I've been playing street fighter since number . I can beat daigo in my sleep. I've been practising combos which once started will only end once the players KOed and trust me if u wanna play me my psn is z451_i. on ps3 but if ur connection is weak u'll get kicked.
sab3rm4st3r99 2 years ago
probably one of the most ignorant thing ive seen someone say in a while.
sageosaka 2 years ago 3
right....
NinjaStixx 2 years ago
LOL at 2:32-2:35 that happened with me once but for much longer.
DullOriginal 2 years ago
Unlike most spammers daigo hadoukens a lot so he can get close to the other player and keep pressure on them
AxRankedxSniper 2 years ago 6
The only thing I have to say is he should have done a Shoryuken at 1:27 when Sagat was flying towards the wall.
abtragedy 2 years ago
it wouldnt have juggled him. he'd have to use an ex shoryuken and he didn't have enough meter to ex.
burnerman007 2 years ago
daigo is 1 of the best around in SF4...
Dpacpro 2 years ago
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I don't understand why a lot of people complain about Sagat when Ryu is the second cheapest character in the game. They're both practically identical save Sagat being just a little bit better.
All Daigo ever does is throw hadoukens. And the best way to counter a hadouken spammer is become one. (E.g. Sagat.)
It's practically the 1st cheapest vs the 2nd cheapest. And I'm kinda rooting for the 1st cheapest on this one.
asdfedc 2 years ago
the fuck are yew talking about scrub
n00bzauce 2 years ago 3
daigo doesnt spam hadoukens
hes zoning and controlling his spacing
it looks like spamming to your eyes but hes planning his moves and setting the other guy up for his combos and mind games
Dasol 2 years ago 6
hahaha. no. anyone will tell you the same thing. not even worth explaning.
themeinyouandi 2 years ago
A little bit better? Sagat is god tier and can basically juggle all night with your ass with a single error and end with an ultra.
About that "spamming" you obviously don't know what your are talking about.
shinuza 2 years ago 2
they took parrys out to be more like SFII and the reason alot of pros "spam" hadoukens is because it controls horizontal space and this game is all about controlling space
lewdreukiss 3 years ago 6
To be honest I don't like the fact that it was possible to parry an 18 hit super and kill your opponent with almost full of their HP bar left.
Seems unreasonable to me. Raw fighting is more legit anyways.
Focus > parry.
TheGosu 3 years ago
You still have the revenge gauge wich awards getting hit.
Parrring a 18 hit super required skill.
ravenTJ1979 2 years ago
Are you a 3rd strike player who can't play SF4 because it's too slow/no parrying and it's new?
Trust me I'm a melee fan but I love brawl aswell.
TheGosu 2 years ago
he has a point and ur just deflecting...good job buddy.
huuuuuumpy 2 years ago
Nope I was never that good to parry effective ,Im actually better in SF4 than SF3 (more like 2).
I just recognize that parrying a 18 hit super requires mad skill , getting rewarded with a 50% consuming life bar attack for getting hit is unreasonable to me.
ravenTJ1979 2 years ago
Parrying Chun's SA2 isn't that hard, it's 17 hits mid screen on shotos and losing for most of the match as a result of poor decisions and coming back by guessing properly against a technique that in any other situation is staple is arguably unfair the Chun player. Honestly I think every fighting game has it's share of bullshit.
RaishinX 2 years ago
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what the hell is with the spamming of hadukens n all that...is that what SF4 is all about?? seriously tho because i say SF:3rd strike is tops
also can u parry in SF4?
MrNaughtyHands 3 years ago
Ono didn't like the route SF was going with SF3. he felt it was much too technical with parrying so he took it out in favor of Focus/Saving Attacks. they work almost in a similar way, but it's much less dependable than parrying. i personally agree with Ono's decision because just knowing how to parry then pull off a quick strong combo was all SF3 was about most of the time. but in SF4 it's back to its SF2 roots with raw fighting.
WhySoSeriuss 3 years ago 2
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spam happy match there
twistedkatana1 3 years ago
no he isn't/he worked just as hard as the sagat player did/no they don't
Japhro77 3 years ago 6
sagat too damn strong/daigo had to work extra hard to win/capcom need to fix him
claxtizle 3 years ago