CES 2007 Taser International

[AspiringPotato]

I have a question? Can't rapist and muggers also use tasers?

[coachola]

@AspiringPotato Yes, along with guns, knives, and whatever else they need to. A weapon is a tool which can be used either to harm or to protect.

[FotisMylonas]

i didnt say govrment, because this leaves all the people out of the picture, as if the goverment would magically solve the problems by laws or anything and we would sit in our sofas doing nothing at all, staying the same.

instead, i said socities, which brings you, me the goverment neighborhoud countries and anyone else inside the picture.

it is only then, that not using any kind of weapons, or armour, will become common sense, not utopia.

but we have to accept foundamental changes for it.

[coachola]

Yes, but my point is that your expectations that weapons will eventually be unneeded is unrealistic. Society is a very thin fabric which can easily be broken. Look at the chaos during Hurricane Katrina, or third world countries where there's not enough to eat. The only way there can be pure peace is when everyone has enough of everything, which is by definition a utopia. Economic interdependence works too, where fighting is bad for business. Even then people will still try to take what's yours.

[FotisMylonas]

yes you are right, when you talk about the absolute, you are talking about utopias.

only im not talking about the absolute, im just talking about eleminating as much as possible from all the causes and the reasons that create problems that need to be solved by tasers.

if i find a medicine that would stop the cancer cells from multiplying, it doesnt mean i dealt with the things that actually create cancer in the first place

[coachola]

Yes, I agree that violence is terrible, and it's our responsibility to address the root causes of it. However, in terms of security we need to react to the world as it is, not how we think it should be. Hope for a different place does not eliminate very real threats against you now. Everyone isn't as reasonable as you. They won't take your generosity as an act of kindness, but as a showing of weakness, which they will exploit. We need to have a gun in one hand and an aid packet in the other.

[FotisMylonas]

finding a way for being violent without killing the victim, is not social progress, only technical. it is cheaper and simple for societies to develop tasers than developing solutions, paying some people do the dirty job using the big social "achievment": tasers. this wont prevent attacks, it will only give you a chance of defending yourself. belive it or not, i feel safer finding ways of preventing attacks,otherwise they will always happen and you may not have the chance to even use it

[coachola]

I'm not even sure what your argument is. I don't think that anybody disagrees that violence is bad and improved living standards are good. However, social progress takes LOTS of time and is undefined in terms of what needs to be achieved. Even with this, violence will always exist. I think we need to have a strong police/military WHILE trying to make progress. Your points involve nothing but rhetoric, and your criticism of TASERs does not reflect reality either in the US or anywhere else.

[FotisMylonas]

Im really sorry i was only rhetoric, lets also be dramatic, lets play the scene you are describing:

One day Society told coachola: "Oh please choachola, i know i did wrong, im gonna fix it now, but can you please help me meanwhile?" And so the superman-spiderman-batman-iron man-cow boy choachola, responded to the call of society and developed the taser. Meanwhile, some society members, expressed their concerns, but coachola shoot them all down: just "rhetoric points" and unreal critism he said.

[FotisMylonas]

societies should make a choice on where they want money to be invested:

mass controll by fear and tasers or creating the conditions where weapons and guns would not be needed

violence will bring more violence and terror

[coachola]

So to summarize your argument, it's as if a government has two possible bills to sign: one where we buy lots of guns and create fear, or another where we create a complete violenceless utopia. Unfortunately, this isn't the case. Weapons are a response to conflict, which is a response to scarcity. There isn't enough to go around, so people fight for it (which is obviously an over-simplification). The TASER is designed to SAVE lives. It's use shows a societal progression, not the opposite.

[Flickyhecky]

I've never been tasered either, i'm just annoyed that Tom Smith and his brother invented the evil device just because two of their friends were murdered, looks like they have a grudge against society and are taking it out on the whole world!

[coachola]

That's one perspective on it, but I see things differently. I believe the reason the Taser was invented was to save lives. Before they were available, citizens could either carry a knife or a gun, or very ineffective pepper spray against armed assailants. This way, it's possible to defend yourself without having to take another's life. For LE applications, I agree that tasers can be used too indescriminately. However, the argument there should be about departmental use of force policies.

[Flickyhecky]

I'd love to taser the bloke who invented these evil things, i'd kill the bastard!

Seeing all these video's on You Tube, we have enough evidence to sue the ass off "Taser International"

[coachola]

That's quite ironic, a liberal threatening to kill someone who invented less lethal devices. You guys who disparage the taser all live in a fantasy land. They're not supposed to be used whimsically, but that's not an argument about the device itself being flawed.

I've never been tasered, and I've never given a police officer a reason to taser me. So guess what, if you've been on the receiving end, screw you, you probably deserved it. It doesn't exactly happen by accident.

[Brent376]

Love the C2. My wife has a pink one and I have a black one. We take it everywhere.

[jason74ftchip]

People killers !!!!

[joshtopcop]

If you ban Tasers they go back to guns Cock Head!

[coachola]

Banning tasers isn't going to do anything. Police find them quite effective given the alternative. A cop buddy had to use a bean-bag shotgun on someone who had a knife and wouldn't back down. In lieu of that, it's the baton or worse. Aramjames, if you're ever been threatened, you might change your opinion. The debate should rest with use of force policy. But if you threaten a cop and happen to have an accident while being tasered you just got what you paid for.

[coachola]

I'd love to carry my Sig around, but unfortunately, I live in CA. Even though I'm a B (soon to be A) class shooter in IPSC, there's no chance I can get a permit in the city I live in. Besides, if you can get away without killing someone, all the better.

I just got my C2 and it rocks!

[aramjames1]

Ban Tasers now! 293 deaths and counting is too many. When the first cops dies after taking a Taser blast in a controled demo setting --you will all wish you would have listened to those who say tasers are deadly.

Many cops have already been injured --even under the tightly controlled setting of the demos--on a mat with spotters, etc. Ask yourself why TI's Rick Smith isn't talking about this!!!

[zamerock]

kk i no the tazer is bad but its better thean shooting over 10000 copes have usede it and if they did not have it they would shot them so it dos help

[DocWithers]

What happens if there are multiple attackers? I still prefer a 45cal beretta.

[chango714]

same here.

[Brent376]

I also have a gun but I like the Taser. If you have multiple attackers you can use the Drive stun mode. Lets say you have hit the first attacker with the taser cartiridge. If the second attacker is stupid enough to aproach you after that you shove the end of the gun into the attackers throat or pelvic triangle. The first attacker would still be down and the second attacker would now also be affected. This product is far better than pepper spray.

[FlyingAce1717]

2 bad theres no such thing. theres 9mm and 40sw berettas. my 357mag should put some sense into ur head.

[DocWithers]

Beretta Model 8045 Cougar .45 ACP DA Semiautomatic

Look it up smartass.

[FlyingAce1717]

sry bro lol. when ppo say beretta they refer to the model 92fs series. if u think about ALL berettas, theres 22s-50cals. anyway, 45acp sucks (low mag/power). get a 357mag

[tomu64]

German cops are still not allowed to use the taser, I hope they will be allowed to use it in future days.

[bbzzggffrr]

Holy shit! You can leave it turned on for 30 seconds and run away. Damn a poor thief after such shock therapy doesn't need cops anymore. I bet he will even crap his pants after 15 seconds:)

[Brent376]

Yup my wife and I have one. Hope I never need to use it but I would not hestitate to use it on an attacker to protect my family or myself.

[vaporlock]

Great for us fearful americans...

[MokomaSusi]

Those tasers are used around the world.

[chango714]

Stop making us look like pussies!!bitch..we use real guns.

[kerplunk1796]

good video