I fucking love Norway... Norway needs to endorse Ron Paul in 2012!! Norway is my ancestors home place and I wish I lived in Norway, you guys got the best country in the world for sure!
as other people have stated...thank you from America!
The Ron Paul rEVOLution needs all the support we can get! If the rest of the world is sick and tired of America's foreign policy of intervention in your countries, join the Campaign for Liberty and help us in our fight to restore America.
Do you wish to stop America's corrupt international support of countries financially, militarily, and politically? Do you want our military bases off of your home lands? SUPPORT RON PAUL and his campaign!
Thank you so much for your support! You are so inspiring and such an important part of Ron Paul's Campaign for Liberty! Keep it up, we are all in this together!
This shows all over the world people are dedicated to the principles of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness! This is by no means an American issue only.
Though I'm not big fan of Ron Paul's foreign policy, yet I agree whole heartedly with his views on domestic policy, its nice to see international support for a US candidate.
TheCommenteer: Ron Paul has support from abroad much because of the current foreign policy of the US. From people who not only (as you?) think of the economic disaster this war has brought upon you (and the world), but because of the genocide that is taking place. That is something that do not only concern you my friend. If you are a RP fan, you should be proud of EVERY supporter he can get around the world.
Perhaps the US could be number 1, if Dr. Paul were elected. But now, the US wreaks so much mass murder, corruption & destruction in the world, that the time is nigh when you, & all the world, would be better off with y'all broken up.
Give peace there a last gasp, & "don't wait for spring, do it now." Write him in & watch incredible prosperity ~ after the last runoff.
Otherwise, have the REAL Uncle Sam move your productive classes here to Red Canaduh, before your country's spring bloodletting.
lykke til fra australia og new zealand! jeg var utvekkslingsstudent i norge i 91-92. sa fint a se dere feirer 4 juli med ron paul rally! norsken min er ikke sa god, men video-responsen der oppe er jo =) dan
Hans, your a good man. Im living in cebu city Philippines and would like to say hello to Soldon, and others i have met from your great country...Maribago Mactan. a small island...in a small world...thanks
I'm disturbed by everyone ignoring "the elephant in the living room". Ron Paul said long ago, he was worrying about expanding the war in Iran, but I don't see him organizing a strategy or his people to stop it. Nor Obama.
We are sleeping if we pursue abstract ideas of Liberty, instead of ACTING to preserve our welfare now. We also need to realize that when we stand up for justice for others (like no pre-emptive strike against Iran) we are actually preserving our own welfare as well.
Do you think the United States ever lived up to its lofty ideals upon which it was founded?
I was thinking about this the other day. From the beginning there was slavery, women subservient; as well as the killing off of indigenous people when they refused to leave the land they had for thousands of years...
What if there are, and have always been, many things kept secret by Washington, D.C., lest our desire of fighting-- ebb with the telling of the whole truth?
Not a problem. If we lived in Rome or many of the dynasties of China, which were horrible regimes, we'd still have moral choices.
Btw, the US did live up to most of the ideals upon which it was founded--they weren't that lofty, and did not include equality for women, etc. However, they were a vast improvement over the monarchy of the time.
It depends. Clearly, King Georges the third was more respectuous of the Indians'rights than the US. One major cause of the revolution (if not the major cause) was the King's dedication to preserve the Indians' rights to their land, preventing settlers from expanding on Indian lands. Later, Jackson discarded the supreme court ruling to keep expanding. But to the question: did the US regime entitled US citizens better than the British monarchy, the answer is definitively yes.
Using them or not, their rights to property were much more respected by the King (notice I wrote about respect of rights, not respect to people) than by the US. That was and still is the point.
You can claim that the King disrespected them as peoples but He respected their rights much more than the US. The US carried out the mass transfer of wealth and performed the ethnocides.
If you're talking about a purely technical point, you may be right, but your "respectful" King George was just playing off one people against another, as any authority is want to do while it tries to maintain it's power. But, since he was against the Americans, that makes George you hero. That is the logical conclusion of what you say.
Where is the logics in here? Could you exhibit it?
Actually, being an American implies respecting the rights of human beings. So it is hard to decipher how acknowledging the fact that King Georges was more respectuous of the Indians'rights than US citizens is being against America/Americans.
Exhibiting the major lines of a logical sequence is required. Casting a conclusion and claiming it is the logical one is not enough. That is the way it is.
Thanks for your comment. I was aware of the history of the British and the Colonials vs. the Indians, but its a good point. Btw, wildly counter-stereotype, at one point some British colonial administrators were trying to encourage intermarriage(which the colonials were having none of). They also were trying to cease trade in alcohol to Natives, and also cheating them in trade.
Yes? Could you provide a quote? I am interesting in that.
All I did is providing a logical consequence to your oil scenario and asks you to provide a counter point. You never did.
As I already underlined, the rules of debate (rhetorics) were establised a long time ago in the Western world. But I suppose that your living in the real world renders you unable to stick to these rules...
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2012 ralley også? Jeg vil bli med.
turbofritz2 3 days ago
I fucking love Norway... Norway needs to endorse Ron Paul in 2012!! Norway is my ancestors home place and I wish I lived in Norway, you guys got the best country in the world for sure!
HerbalJah 1 week ago
Throw them out of the country. Ron Paul is against everything that makes us the best country in the world.
Niwram 5 months ago
@Niwram by making it the opposite of Norway that is. By rooting for Ron Paul, they are rooting against Norway. Savages
Niwram 5 months ago
blir d i 2012 og?
rolgorevene 6 months ago
Hey open spam and check out what I am posting also about the fuckers in Mexico
SergioMendendez 2 years ago
Wow. This is so cool. Glad to see people around the world are supportive of Ron Paul.
4lfclvr67 2 years ago
who cares about frosty Norway.
Tennessee44444 2 years ago
does it look frosty to you?
gunnarsom 2 years ago
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TREASON in America MUST STOP NOW!!!!
I pray all the time for peace but the Jews(AIPAC, Mossad, Zionists) controlling America want to continue the lies of George W Bush.
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I pray all the time for peace but the Jews(AIPAC, Mossad, Zionists) controlling America want to continue the lies of George W Bush.
How many more soldiers are going to die in the MiddleEast due to BayPoint School & its Direct connection to AIPAC?
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TREASON in America MUST STOP NOW!!!!
I pray all the time for peace but the Jews(AIPAC, Mossad, Zionists) controlling America want to continue the lies of George W Bush.
How many more soldiers are going to die in the MiddleEast due to BayPoint School & its Direct connection to AIPAC?
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TREASON in America MUST STOP NOW!!!!
I pray all the time for peace but the Jews(AIPAC, Mossad, Zionists) controlling America want to continue the lies of George W Bush.
How many more soldiers are going to die in the MiddleEast due to BayPoint School & its Direct connection to AIPAC?
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NYC is the smallest contingent of American Patriots following the word of Tom Heneghan.
TREASON in America MUST STOP NOW!!!!
I pray all the time for peace but the Jews(AIPAC, Mossad, Zionists) controlling America want to continue the lies of George W Bush.
How many more soldiers are going to die in the MiddleEast due to BayPoint School & its Direct connection to AIPAC?
Jeff Bootstraps Fisher
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NYC is the smallest contingent of American Patriots following the word of Tom Heneghan.
TREASON in America MUST STOP NOW!!!!
I pray all the time for peace but the Jews(AIPAC, Mossad, Zionists) controlling America want to continue the lies of George W Bush.
How many more soldiers are going to die in the MiddleEast due to BayPoint School & its Direct connection to AIPAC?
Jeff Bootstraps Fisher
LoveAmericaStyle 2 years ago
as other people have stated...thank you from America!
The Ron Paul rEVOLution needs all the support we can get! If the rest of the world is sick and tired of America's foreign policy of intervention in your countries, join the Campaign for Liberty and help us in our fight to restore America.
Do you wish to stop America's corrupt international support of countries financially, militarily, and politically? Do you want our military bases off of your home lands? SUPPORT RON PAUL and his campaign!
Kras3169 2 years ago
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TREASON in America MUST STOP NOW!!!!
I pray all the time for peace but the Jews(AIPAC, Mossad, Zionists) controlling America want to continue the lies of George W Bush.
How many more soldiers are going to die in the MiddleEast due to BayPoint School & its Direct connection to AIPAC?
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I pray all the time for peace but the Jews(AIPAC, Mossad, Zionists) controlling America want to continue the lies of George W Bush.
How many more soldiers are going to die in the MiddleEast due to BayPoint School & its Direct connection to AIPAC?
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LoveAmericaStyle 2 years ago
that's amazing
zwalrus1 2 years ago
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This is not just NYC
Its 25 major cites in America
NYC is the smallest contingent of American Patriots following the word of Tom Heneghan.
TREASON in America MUST STOP NOW!!!!
I pray all the time for peace but the Jews(AIPAC, Mossad, Zionists) controlling America want to continue the lies of George W Bush.
How many more soldiers are going to die in the MiddleEast due to BayPoint School & its Direct connection to AIPAC?
Jeff Bootstraps Fisher
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NYC is the smallest contingent of American Patriots following the word of Tom Heneghan.
TREASON in America MUST STOP NOW!!!!
I pray all the time for peace but the Jews(AIPAC, Mossad, Zionists) controlling America want to continue the lies of George W Bush.
How many more soldiers are going to die in the MiddleEast due to BayPoint School & its Direct connection to AIPAC?
Jeff Bootstraps Fisher
LoveAmericaStyle 2 years ago
why ? norway has nothing to do with usa. losers take a brake from work.
bykashka75 2 years ago
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I pray all the time for peace but the Jews(AIPAC, Mossad, Zionists) controlling America want to continue the lies of George W Bush.
How many more soldiers are going to die in the MiddleEast due to BayPoint School & its Direct connection to AIPAC?
Jeff Bootstraps Fisher
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I pray all the time for peace but the Jews(AIPAC, Mossad, Zionists) controlling America want to continue the lies of George W Bush.
How many more soldiers are going to die in the MiddleEast due to BayPoint School & its Direct connection to AIPAC?
Jeff Bootstraps Fisher
LoveAmericaStyle 2 years ago
Its nice to see that Norwegians have a good head on their shoulders.
EvanMonster 2 years ago
great!!!! Norway RULES!
Dollarisdead09 2 years ago 4
Hope 2009 sees another July 4th celebration in Norway.
bbburton 2 years ago 4
GREAT WORK!
SaveEurope82 2 years ago 2
thank you from America
ForTehNguyen 2 years ago 3
Thank You Hans.
houseofthemoon 3 years ago 2
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ladalang 3 years ago
Thanks you!
gdibble 3 years ago 2
You guys are incredible! Keep up the good work!
mikelunz 3 years ago 2
You are awesome, Hans! Thanks for the great work. We love you in the U.S.!
OKMC5 3 years ago 3
Go Hans.
efectomariposa93 3 years ago 3
Thank you so much for your support! You are so inspiring and such an important part of Ron Paul's Campaign for Liberty! Keep it up, we are all in this together!
nzalud2 3 years ago 2
This shows all over the world people are dedicated to the principles of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness! This is by no means an American issue only.
Let us run the campaign for liberty!
0PsycoDad0 3 years ago 4
Though I'm not big fan of Ron Paul's foreign policy, yet I agree whole heartedly with his views on domestic policy, its nice to see international support for a US candidate.
TheAntiV 3 years ago 3
This comment has received too many negative votes show
I don't enjoy seeing foreigners meddling in our campaigns, though it does show who is No. 1.
theCommenteer 3 years ago
Meddling? All they are doing is showing their support for him. Its not like they are manipulating election results.
TheAntiV 3 years ago 7
TheCommenteer: Ron Paul has support from abroad much because of the current foreign policy of the US. From people who not only (as you?) think of the economic disaster this war has brought upon you (and the world), but because of the genocide that is taking place. That is something that do not only concern you my friend. If you are a RP fan, you should be proud of EVERY supporter he can get around the world.
efectomariposa93 3 years ago 3
I understand why he has support everywhere but in America. I do understand.
theCommenteer 3 years ago
Perhaps the US could be number 1, if Dr. Paul were elected. But now, the US wreaks so much mass murder, corruption & destruction in the world, that the time is nigh when you, & all the world, would be better off with y'all broken up.
Give peace there a last gasp, & "don't wait for spring, do it now." Write him in & watch incredible prosperity ~ after the last runoff.
Otherwise, have the REAL Uncle Sam move your productive classes here to Red Canaduh, before your country's spring bloodletting.
Bestmountjoy 3 years ago
lykke til fra australia og new zealand! jeg var utvekkslingsstudent i norge i 91-92. sa fint a se dere feirer 4 juli med ron paul rally! norsken min er ikke sa god, men video-responsen der oppe er jo =) dan
relapsemedia 3 years ago
Cool - good Norwegian!
farmanntv 3 years ago
tusen takk! ha det paa badet gammel skjokolade!
relapsemedia 3 years ago
Canada here,.. we love Ron Paul to. Wright him in
BillysSoloProject 3 years ago
this guy is more american than many americans.
795144 3 years ago 2
Thanks Hans! I needed that!
rgaskey 3 years ago
Ron Paul is influencing the world. We will have a libertarian world, hopefully.
Chainedorlo 3 years ago
Hello from Sioux City, Iowa.
Thanks for that bit of inspiration, Hans!
treadwayca 3 years ago 2
Cool!
Make sure you rally in Sioux City! Send photos!
farmanntv 3 years ago
you guys are awesome!
Eric21ND 3 years ago 2
hans for pres!
blargen3141 3 years ago
How one man can make the difference.
0PsycoDad0 3 years ago
stupid question...
vadh09 3 years ago
seen any questionmark?
0PsycoDad0 3 years ago
Sorry,,, I realized that after I saw posted the comment. My bad.
vadh09 3 years ago
Hans, your a good man. Im living in cebu city Philippines and would like to say hello to Soldon, and others i have met from your great country...Maribago Mactan. a small island...in a small world...thanks
guitmarc54 3 years ago
Hi there!
I have been to Mactan, gone scuba diving.
I stayed at the Shangri La resort - beautiful place!
farmanntv 3 years ago
But, seriously, Hans, are we Americans supposed to be rallying or rioting, now?
theCommenteer 3 years ago
Rally as much as possible.
Consider rioting based on where you are yourself.
farmanntv 3 years ago
Great job, Hans! :)
BagOfEyebrows 3 years ago
Hey Hans,
What are people in Norway saying about the EU leaders trying to push forward even after the Irish referendum ?
ShiekYerbooty 3 years ago 2
I am working hard to keep Norway outside the EU. Have been for 10 years.
I think we will actually win this one. The EU will collapse before Norway has another election.
farmanntv 3 years ago
I hope you're right my friend, best of luck, and keep up the great work !
ShiekYerbooty 3 years ago 2
I know the EU was forced on to some of the countries. But why do fell it will collapse?
Their connection to the dollar and the fact our (U.S.) economy is about to take a big shit.
This would be a good video to do for you. Explain the EU and why it will fail.
Thanks
wbradd3797 3 years ago
My other question is why do you celebrate American Independence day in Norway?
wbradd3797 3 years ago
The American expats are organizing it. Friends of the US join in.
farmanntv 3 years ago
ron paul is an idea
blargen3141 3 years ago 2
Way to go there my friends.
Thank you! We love you guys!!
fr33domlib3rty 3 years ago 4
Im glad to see the ideas of Libertarianism and Ron Paul being exposed around the world.
shiffty1032231 3 years ago 2
Technically he´s a conservative so am I. What a weird world we live in..
0PsycoDad0 3 years ago
I'm disturbed by everyone ignoring "the elephant in the living room". Ron Paul said long ago, he was worrying about expanding the war in Iran, but I don't see him organizing a strategy or his people to stop it. Nor Obama.
We are sleeping if we pursue abstract ideas of Liberty, instead of ACTING to preserve our welfare now. We also need to realize that when we stand up for justice for others (like no pre-emptive strike against Iran) we are actually preserving our own welfare as well.
givebirthathome 3 years ago 2
Do you think the United States ever lived up to its lofty ideals upon which it was founded?
I was thinking about this the other day. From the beginning there was slavery, women subservient; as well as the killing off of indigenous people when they refused to leave the land they had for thousands of years...
What if there are, and have always been, many things kept secret by Washington, D.C., lest our desire of fighting-- ebb with the telling of the whole truth?
greatbroad 3 years ago
Not a problem. If we lived in Rome or many of the dynasties of China, which were horrible regimes, we'd still have moral choices.
Btw, the US did live up to most of the ideals upon which it was founded--they weren't that lofty, and did not include equality for women, etc. However, they were a vast improvement over the monarchy of the time.
givebirthathome 3 years ago
It depends. Clearly, King Georges the third was more respectuous of the Indians'rights than the US. One major cause of the revolution (if not the major cause) was the King's dedication to preserve the Indians' rights to their land, preventing settlers from expanding on Indian lands. Later, Jackson discarded the supreme court ruling to keep expanding. But to the question: did the US regime entitled US citizens better than the British monarchy, the answer is definitively yes.
TheCZMan 3 years ago
Nobody respected the indians. King George used them to help contain his subjects.
theCommenteer 3 years ago
Using them or not, their rights to property were much more respected by the King (notice I wrote about respect of rights, not respect to people) than by the US. That was and still is the point.
You can claim that the King disrespected them as peoples but He respected their rights much more than the US. The US carried out the mass transfer of wealth and performed the ethnocides.
TheCZMan 3 years ago
If you're talking about a purely technical point, you may be right, but your "respectful" King George was just playing off one people against another, as any authority is want to do while it tries to maintain it's power. But, since he was against the Americans, that makes George you hero. That is the logical conclusion of what you say.
theCommenteer 3 years ago
Where is the logics in here? Could you exhibit it?
Actually, being an American implies respecting the rights of human beings. So it is hard to decipher how acknowledging the fact that King Georges was more respectuous of the Indians'rights than US citizens is being against America/Americans.
If you could tell...
TheCZMan 3 years ago
Hey, you said it, not me.
theCommenteer 3 years ago
I say somewhere that the King was against Americans? Where? I said somewhere that someone being against Americans would be my hero? Where?
TheCZMan 3 years ago
It's the logical conclusion of what you say, so you said it.
theCommenteer 3 years ago
Show it, describe the thought process that leads to this conclusion.
TheCZMan 3 years ago
But, to logically follow what you say, it isn't necessary to describe the thought process. I can just say you said it.
theCommenteer 3 years ago
Exhibiting the major lines of a logical sequence is required. Casting a conclusion and claiming it is the logical one is not enough. That is the way it is.
TheCZMan 3 years ago
Thanks for your comment. I was aware of the history of the British and the Colonials vs. the Indians, but its a good point. Btw, wildly counter-stereotype, at one point some British colonial administrators were trying to encourage intermarriage(which the colonials were having none of). They also were trying to cease trade in alcohol to Natives, and also cheating them in trade.
givebirthathome 3 years ago
But you said it was ok to just make up stuff the other guy says.
theCommenteer 3 years ago
Yes? Could you provide a quote? I am interesting in that.
All I did is providing a logical consequence to your oil scenario and asks you to provide a counter point. You never did.
As I already underlined, the rules of debate (rhetorics) were establised a long time ago in the Western world. But I suppose that your living in the real world renders you unable to stick to these rules...
TheCZMan 3 years ago
I don't need a quote, because it follows from the logic of what you said.
theCommenteer 3 years ago
What follows from the logics of what I said?
TheCZMan 3 years ago
That I can say that you said anything I want.
theCommenteer 3 years ago
Well said, very well said.
farmanntv 3 years ago
Thank you!
theCommenteer 3 years ago
Nothing worthwhile a thanks. Nobody should be thanked for speaking the truth. Which I did.
TheCZMan 3 years ago
They're celebrating Ron Paul in fucking Norway but not here in fucking America.
American's think Ron Paul is awesome or a nut-job. The majority support the former rather than the latter.
I wanna move to Norway right about now...
Truth0rDeath 3 years ago 2
Thanks for the comment, but there are not many Ron Paul supporters here either.
There are a few though, and they rally.
farmanntv 3 years ago
thank you Hans
and of course 5 stars for you and your enthusiasm and effort.
EditHistory 3 years ago
The world wants Ron Paul
Want proof?
whowouldtheworldelect . com
LumpyRevolution 3 years ago 2
The world can have Ron Paul.
theCommenteer 3 years ago
Great to see you Hans! With Liberty from Houston, Texas (Behind enemy lines of the Evil Empire)
latinguyhou 3 years ago
Rally is cool.
theCommenteer 3 years ago
Yes - rally as much as possible.
Especially on September 1 and 2 in Minneapolis at the GOP convention.
Rally for Ron Paul!
farmanntv 3 years ago
youtube prevents me from posting anything with the address of the blog
smartbandwidth 3 years ago
Cool! Thanks for posting it!
farmanntv 3 years ago
smartbandwidth: You have to modify the links a bit, to get them to post. Remove the guff at the start, and put the occasional space into your hyperlinks. You need to put one after the dot and before the COM/NET/ORG. Sometimes one is required later in the link at a similar looking place. Always copy your text before pressing "Post Comment", in case it bounces you to "Discard" only, and doesn't allow you to copy it at that point.
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lastnymleft 3 years ago
thefreedomfellowship.blogspot. com/2008/06/july-4-th-ron-paul-rally-in-oslo-norway.html
lastnymleft 3 years ago
thanks for the tip - I will try it!
smartbandwidth 3 years ago
posted over at thefreedomfellowship blog
smartbandwidth 3 years ago
thanks hans!
smartbandwidth 3 years ago
Awesome!
miracleneeded 3 years ago
Please rate and comment this video.
We REALLY did this today June 29 2008, yes twothousandeight.
farmanntv 3 years ago