Obama calls an unwanted pregnancy a "punishment"? I visited the Notre Dame campus once in 1987 and went to a Fighting Irish game. It was so much fun. The campus was very beautiful and I never forgot that experience. I don't know how many names were on the petition, but I would have gladly signed mine. He should never have been invited there. I cringed when I heard the news. I will never understand why NDU allowed his presence. That was a low point...
Something similar is happening in Latinamerica catholic universities invite pro choice latins an USA and europeans . Mexico almost 92% is catholic almost all thepeople says no to abortion,is legal in Mexico City,What´s next in their plans Brazil, Argentina, All Africa. Why not CatholicUnivertsities teach about the dignityof human life, the spiirutality, the love of our Lord Jesus to al the humanity, the Church Social Doctrine that gives us an alternative to the problems of the world and peace
I can't believe Notre Dame went through with it. What is wrong with the world? More importantly, what is wrong with the Catholics in power in America?
I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied My Name.
Spent a few months in the last 2 years travelling America,East coast,West and Chicago,People are really friendly, helpfull and Polite,but really you guys read too much into Political views and Religon,Obama seems like an Intelligent guy but he should have respected the view and traditions of Notre Dame!i wont be surprised if his popularity ratings drop! hope you all work things out because it is still a great country............Irish guy living in Austria.
Nortre Dame is a microcosm of the Catholic church as a whole; most are nominal, some are die-hard dissenters, and a small minority are serious catholics. But the big dif is that Jesus never promised that hell would not prevail over His college or university, that promise only applies to his Church.
nightowl, by your logic, if "bad parenting" produces miserable kids...are we to KILL the kids of bad parents...because they might "hate their lives" later on??? This is the most backwards reasoning i've ever heard! Blaming the parents is not the solution. You sound like YOU wish YOUR parents aborted YOU. geez! Quality of life is dictated from the inside out, not from the outside in. You have to be born again of water and Holy Spirit to have access to this liberating reality!
People are not seeing the real problem, but believe me, before Obama is through this country will not be as we know it now. Mr. Voris is on target, and there are other things Obama is doing that will be detrimental to our country. All that voted for him will rue the day they supported him. Just watch and see!!
"I just don't see how a woman I've never met and have no connection to whatsoever getting an abortion affects me or anyone else besides her."
your taxes could have been put to better use. responsible, hard-working americans pay taxes to help irresponsible kill their accident babies?! just one of many disgusting things that our taxes go to. maybe you don't pay taxes so you don't care. but i do, and i do care. it's vile and outrageous.
...who were "mistakes" if you will and became successful and not hate their lives. What are the chances of that though. If you're only argument against mine is religion related, don't bother because I don't buy it. Unless God told us DIRECTLY that abortion is wrong, I'm only going to think of the general affect abortion will have on society.
>> Unless God told us DIRECTLY that abortion is wrong
"Thou shalt not murder" applies to children in the womb.
>> I'm only going to think of the general affect abortion will have on society.
If you watch our show The Cost of Abortion (available at a very easy to guess website!) you will see abortion has cost 37 TRILLION DOLLARS in the US alone.
High. Most PEOPLE do not "hate their lives". Your entire post assumes people born into poverty will always live horendous lives and should simply be culled.
That is arrogant, elitist, horrible class-rhetoric. I would abandon that train of thought if I were you.
A child that is born to parents who are unable to take care of it: how is the quality of his/her life? Why make the child suffer his/her whole life because of the parent's mistake? That child will be the product of bad parenting, poorly taken care of, raised in a poor environment. And that is one of the reasons why we have bad kids in our society: Kids who are not properly raised by their unwilling parents. Of course, there may be examples of children
anyway....I was just wondering if you by any chance were there at the ND joker fest today? Some people from my church went to cheer "yes we can" along with their graduates. But that's not the kind of perspective I'm interested in. Anyway. I'm looking forward to some brand new reports from you. I guess I better subscribe to you.
I got to yell at the TV today for the first time in my life today when I heard el presidente say : "How does each of us remain firm in our principles, and fight for what we consider right, without, as Father John said, demonizing those with just as strongly held convictions on the other side?" ...Demonizing? I'm sorry, but he's demonizing himself by serving the wrong master and the Holy Spirit will help real Christians discern the presence of the demonic. Don't you think?
I just don't see how a woman I've never met and have no connection to whatsoever getting an abortion affects me or anyone else besides her. Would you rather a woman suffer through a long, unwanted pregnancy and then be forced to care for a child she does not love for years? Or face the difficult decision of having to put the child up for adoption? None of these options are desirable outcomes.
Of course they are not. But they are MORE desirable than KILLING HER OWN CHILD.
Babies in the womb can feel pain, respond to stimuli. They are human as you or I. It is simply not acceptable to kill them.
I believe in an earlier post someone cited the figures concerning abortions; a tiny fraction are carried out because of rape, incest or health reasons. Most are just simply because people didn't take care and now regret a having sex.
by your reasoning, people should murder those through whom they experience hardship and pain. spare us your one-sided, unbalanced, heartless compassion. my mother attempted to abort me. i love her. i understand the fears she was going through at the time. but nothing, short of her own life being in imminent danger, could justify her quality of life trumping my life. considering murder as an "option" for a desirable outcome is as upside down as one's thinking can get.
Abortions do not kill people unless the woman who is getting the procedure dies. A fetus is not a person.
Also, I would appreciate it if you posted the entire text comments being left. I understand you need to screen the arguments because of the volatile nature of the question at hand, and i respect your right to disregard inflammatory remarks, but picking and choosing what you post from the respectable comments is wrong.
>> picking and choosing what you post from the respectable comments is wrong.
Good job I didn't do that, huh?
>> A fetus is not a person.
Modern biological science and logic disagree with you. At what point does a fetus become a person?
Bear in mind abortion is legal up until the very moment of birth.
The argument "this is not a person" was the argument used by slavers on blacks and Nazis on Jews. It is unsustainable and illogical; there is nothing to commend it.
a fetus is not a person? wow...what an ignorant thing to say. as i mentioned in another post, my mother attempted to abort me. how dare you say that i was not a person while in my mother's womb. i found this quote online.....don't know who wrote it...but it is so perfectly true...."In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony." ,,,,,hmmmm, that one statement effectively reveals the hypocrisy of the pro-choice stance.
Apologies to blueflyer if he is upset by the fact I left this horrible post from StarryKid in here, but I thought it was important we all see the face of the liberal left here.
I have deleted literally hundreds of messages of this sort - personal attacks, lies, threats of violence. I am leaving this ONE in here as an example of what these so-called "pro-choice" people are.
They are simply vile people. We need to understand and remember that, and continue to fight against them
no problem...but thank you. i'm used to that kind of response. a number of years ago, on another message board, two women were posting back and forth as to how compassionate they both were for being pro-choice. their presumptive premise was that any child facing a birth into poverty or abuse would welcome and prefer the opportunity not to be born. they felt they were in fact, doing it a favor by supporting its demise.
I have one big question: How does a woman getting an abortion affect someone who is totally uninvolved? Unless you are that woman or the man who got her pregnant, I don't see why someone else's choice makes such a big difference.
he was very open about his position and guess what?? he was elected. so why dont u religious people worry about the poor, hungry, and widows and orphans
>> why dont u religious people worry about the poor, hungry, and widows and orphans
We do - who is poorer than a child who doesn't even own a life? Who is hungrier than the child who never had a chance to suckle?
Widows and orphans have lost family - so have those who murder their own children in the womb.
We care about EVERYONE. What have you done today to protect any of the classes you describe? Or are they just used as weapons to attempt to discredit us?
still obama was open about his position and won the election. dont be a sore loser. and let me rephrase what aobut the poor, hungry, widows and children who ARE AWARE OF THEIR existance. once u relig fix homelessness then you can worry about cells that have the potential to be humans.
Life beings at conception. Answer me this; if it does not, when does it? And if a fetus is not a human, what is it?
And if it is not a human, is it okay for someone to go up and abort a fetus in someone else's body? After all - it's not human? Could I morally murder the child you conceived without your permission?
Well, looks like this petition was pretty unsuccessful. Not that surprising, considering that there are less and less "real" catholics nowadays according to your standards (the whole "Christian only in name" thing).
Honestly I don't care whether presidents receive honorary degrees or whatnot - it's all just PR as far as I'm concerned.
Here's one I know you've heard before, but when men can have babies, then you can tell us what we can and can not do with our bodies. From the sounds of it you miss the days when a woman's place was in the kitchen, popping out babies and had no say in her life what so ever.
>> when men can have babies, then you can tell us what we can and can not do with our bodies.
We aren't telling you what you can do with your own bodies - we are telling you what you can't do to the body of another human being living inside you.
Telling us what we can do with anything involving our bodies is still telling us what we can and can not do. Twist the words any way you'd like, they still come out the same.
>> Telling us what we can do with anything involving our bodies is still telling us what we can and can not do.
Yes. We are telling you it is immoral to murder. The law says it is immoral for a man to rape a woman - is that someone telling men what they cannot do with their bodies?
Yes, it is - but it is also telling men what they cannot do to someone else.
You may not murder your own child. Her life is not your own. Keep your hands off it.
You can't even compare rape and abortion, they are two totally different things.
God gave us free will, we are allowed to make our own choices. If we make the wrongs ones then I'm sure we'll hear about it, but here on Earth we are the ones in charge of our lives, what we do and what we do not do. When my judgment comes I'll take whatever happens, until that time, why don't you save judgment for somebody way more qualified than you?
>> You can't even compare rape and abortion, they are two totally different things
Rape is illegal, abortion is not. They are both grotesque violations of the dignity of the human person.
Explain why, based on your comment "nobody has the right to tell anybody what they can or can not do with any part of their body" why a woman has a right to tell a man he can't rape her.
I say she has that right; because I respect her dignity as a human person. Why do you say she has that right?
>> why don't you save judgment for somebody way more qualified than you?
I did not come up with the idea abortion is wrong on my own; God makes it clear it is evil and wrong. And many other people, vastly more educated than I, have also said as much.
Women who have HAD abortions regret them more often than not. Abortions kill thousands of mothers each and every year.
You are right - you are in charge of what you do. That doesn't mean whatever you do is right. It means you do evil.
>> God also made it clear that we should "judge not",
Oh, this old chestnut. You will find more verses in the Bible which say we should judge correctly. And, the verses which say do not judge say "let you are judged yourself". You've been very judgmental of me and mine.
So, I was warned by God about people like you.
Your arguments are getting desperate and irrelevant. Try to stay on topic.
Rape is not just a "violation of the dignity of the human person", the deed itself is done out of anger, abortion is not something done out of anger. Ask any woman who has had an abortion if she was angry when she made the decision. That is the difference.
So, if I violated the dignity of a human person NOT out of anger (such as killing someone because I thought they were unhappy, despite the fact they didn't want to be killed) that would be okay?
Or if someone raped someone not out of anger, but because he thought she would enjoy it? Would that be acceptable?
And many abortions ARE carried out in anger - anger and rage against the fact a woman's actions have consequences she doesn't like.
>> So if someone thinks that having an abortion shouldn't be illegal, they're in favor of death.
Obviously - given the fact abortion involves killing (that is "death") and anyone who doesn't think it should be illegal is "in favor" of it by definition.
Well done, you get a star.
>> I don't see how any progress can be made on this debate
This isn't a debate - debate would imply your side had some valid arguments.
Abortion is genocide. Although I agree, there should be effort made towards giving the child to another family, but sometimes there is no other option. Where is your proof that Obama would support abortion at anytime? - such as in the last 3 months of pregnancy for example?
too many people use religion as a reason to dictate their beliefs...well not everyone is christian and not everyone thinks abortion is immoral thats y this is a free country..it seems like one side always try to tell the other side their opinion is wrong well you know what i don't see it that way its what each individual believes
He is not supporting Abortion as murder, and Obama is most definitely not the antichrist, I hate it how CATHOLICS seem to think that their views are the do all and end all. He is supporting Abortion for reasons such as rape, or people who physically, mentally or financially are not able to have a child. I think its disgusting how you seem to think you have the right to claim someone is a murderer for that reason.
I wish you people would learn what Obama actually believes in.
>> He is supporting Abortion for reasons such as rape, or people who physically, mentally or financially are not able to have a child.
Check his record - he has CONSISTENLY supported abortion at ANY time for ANY reason. Not just for rape, incest, and health of the mother. ANY reason, at ANY time.
He supports genocide. He thinks it's okay for a woman to arrange to have her child killed right up to the moment it is being born.
Wow - so we are supposed to respect Obama's views, but aren't allowed to air our own? Grow up and come back when you are sober.
It doesn't matter if not everyone is a Christian - killing babies in the womb is WRONG. It is wrong if you are Christian, Muslim, Pagan, Jew, atheist or worship the FSM.
Murder is not nice. It is what Obama supports. Draw your own conclusions.
God Himself has given human beings a choice....He has laid out the consequesnces of life and death( in termes of lifestyle0....WHO ARE YOU AS A HUMAN BEING TO DENY SOMEONE THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE...IF A WOMAN DECIDES TO HAVE AN ABORTION, SHE WILL ANSWER TO GOD...NOT MAN BESIDES..IF YOU FORNICATE AND ABORT, THE FORNICATOR AND THE ONE WHO HAS AN ABORTION ARE BOTH CONSIDERED SINNERS BY GOD
>> WHO ARE YOU AS A HUMAN BEING TO DENY SOMEONE THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE
Do you apply this logic to murderers of people OUTSIDE the womb, too? I mean, who is the government to decide a person can't come around to your house and shoot you and your family dead?
If a man decides to murder someone, he will answer to God, right? So why have anti-murder laws?
>> THE FORNICATOR AND THE ONE WHO HAS AN ABORTION ARE BOTH CONSIDERED SINNERS BY GOD
Notre Dame is no longer a Catholic University. Not when it honors a man who supports such a pagan, hateful practice such as abortion. This senseless genocide must stop.
are you that shallow that you have to protest obamas speach b/c one issue? its not a critical issue such as the economy or the wars we are but abortion. abortion might be a bad thing but its not the #1 reason why he should be protested.
I am strongly against abortion. It's not a woman's life to terminate...it's God's! Abortion should only be used if a woman was raped, other than that...don't have sex, if you don't want to get pregnant, and then not be able to take care of the baby. Women are being selfish when they do this.
Im not suprised over Obama's welcome at this university. What was more alarming to me was the great numbers of Catholics who voted for him, in full knowing they risked ex communication under cannons 751 and 1364, in their Catachism.
I am a Mormon and I support the conservative Catholic pro-life and tradistional marriage positions. Catholics stood by and defended Mormons when fighting for tradistional marriage in California. All Mormons should stand up for Catholics and Pope Benedict's spiritual revelations concerning these important moral issues and denounce Obama's visit to Notre Dame.
How can you say Barack Obama is anti-christian? He went to church his whole life and still does. If he was anti-christian he wouldn't attended a christian church. If you don't want him to speak at ND that is understandable, but to claim that he is anti-christian is just embarrassing.
>> He went to church his whole life and still does.
A Church which preaches NOTHING related to Christianity.
>> to claim that he is anti-christian is just embarrassing.
He is opposed to basic Christian principles. He is not a Christian man - he just claims to be for various benefits. Christopher Hitchens is of the opinion he is an atheist - I am too.
Hear, hear! Very well said and I commend you for your efforts. Mr, Obama should be ashamed. Is there no end to his repulsive acts? It is bad enough that our tax dollars are funding abortions. Now, he is going to be awarded for these acts? And, by a Catholic school no less! This man needs our prayers for guidance....as does Notre Dame.
At this point in time, President Obama's "words of wisdom" are not welcome at any insitution of higher learning in this country. He has, however, received several requests to speak at the University of Havana. Maybe he'll take Nancy "my nose is growing" Pelosi with him.
I'm a Protestant but I agree with the Catholics on this. God bless Dr. Keyes for what he and these wonderful people are doing. We all need to stand together as Christians in a Non-Denominational way to have God's Word in the Name of Jesus be Christ (Who IS the LIVING WORD) be known to those lost half of Americans. To plant the seed of Life into their hearts in hopes that they will accept Christ who will take it from there to help bring The United States back to a STRONG Nation! God Bless.
Awesome Video-Well said!!!!! Its simple! Its a Catholic School ,he is anti-Catholic,what a stupid, stupid idea to have him there......I hope they do the right thing...
about give or take 1% of all abortions are because of rape or incest. 6% Are because of health complications to the mother. And 93% are for "social" issues (i.e. the child is unwanted or inconvenient). 52% of women obtaining abortions in the U.S. are younger than 25: Women aged 20-24 obtain 32% of all abortions.
Married women account for 18.4% of all abortions and divorced women obtain 9.4%.
>> So are they going to allow anyone who voted in favor of the Iraq war to speak? They certainly don't speak for all Catholics.
Support of the Iraq war is not a doctrinally-defined evil action. The Iraq war and abortion are NOT the same "level", even IF the Iraq war was a doctrinally-defined evil (which it is not).
Individual Catholics may support the war or not as their conscience informs them. Abortion is not open to debate.
Congratulations on a well put together defense of Catholic teaching vis-a-vis the Notre Dame Obama controversy. Ever though of running for President? God Bless
i signed the petition and i have been praying the rosary .....i am a catholic and i am against the evil of abortion and obama is a killer of the unborn babies...lets not stop fighting the pro choice people..am just wondering how many of these aborted babies may have been excellent leaders of different countries of the world..maybe this world is a much better place to live in...and what would have happened if obama was aborted by his mother?????
The 'Bush got one, too' - argument doesn't stick if only because a) his degree & speech were in May 2001, well before even 9/11/01 and
b) even if it were wrong to give GWB the dergee (presonally I oppose honorary degrees in principle, give an award if you must instead), two wrongs don't make one right.
This just can't be allowed to happen at Notre Dame.
What happened at Georgetown last week was reprehensible and they will endure the consequences of Catholics in the form of applications and donations.
If Obama is "honored" at Notre Dame, the Institution will officially go on record as having the most Pro-Choice, Pro-Infanticide President in History speak to a body of predmominent Catholics.
If it does happen, ND will gravely tarnish its Catholic image and face unthinkable results.
I disagree as well. You cannot call yourself a faithful Catholic while supporting Omaba's endeavors. We must pray that he change his position on several critical matters.
As a Boston College Alum, I support your protest against the incumbent Administration at ND, spiritually and politically. When the undergrad Dem Club of BC hosted the terrorist Bill Ayers to speak, it sparked outrage here where Alums threatened to suspend donations. The Jesuits eventually forced the Bill Ayers to speak off campus and distanced itself from it. ND should continue the pressue and I pray that other Academic Institutions will join in the fight-BC, G'town, Fordham, Marquette, Gonzaga.
The Catechism of St. Pius X has to say on the topic of capital punishment:
3 Q. Are there cases in which it is lawful to kill?
A. It is lawful to kill when fighting in a just war; when carrying out by order of the Supreme Authority a sentence of death in punishment of a crime; and, finally, in cases of necessary and lawful defense of one's own life against an unjust aggressor.
Abortion is no where near the same. A baby is innocent.. criminals... not so.
As a Jew, I gladly signed the petition, and I urge every Cathothlic Christian to resist with all your strength in allowing that baby murdering con-artist (HUSSEIN Obama) to speak on your campus! And I pray that if he does in fact speak at commencement (God forbid), that those thousands of you that have threatened to withdraw your financial support to ND follow through and do so.
Im not saying that i dont understand how you feel.But certain people who have latched on to this debate such as gingrich, are being very hypocritical.And did not PM Lester Pearson speak at notre dame.wasnt he pro abort while he was speaking?
U PEOPLE R SICK.HE IS OUR PRES.notre dame invited him.he didnt invite himself.Bush was invited also.Bush is for the death penalty.The Church is against the death penalty.The pope is vs the penalty.nobody complained bc he was our president
Maybe Notre Dame students could assemble a giant Rosary prayer sit-in during the Commencement speech to pray for Obama's "road to Damacus" conversion...I think this would make a greater public statement than just demonstrating in protest in the usual matter. Imagine how the secular media would report the great prayer conversion sit-in...And maybe by the Grace of God, Mr. Obama may be affective by such prayer to convert his mind and heart towards supporting life at all stages...
Good Idea, but I am afraid the damage will be done. An honorary degree will be given and ND is making a statement that is now supporting abortion. The Church should disavow ND as a Catholic institution immediately! In that way when they use this to further their cause and divide and weaken the Church, at least we as Catholics can say ND is not a Catholic University because of this. This is a big big win for the culture of death. As acamdemics they must know what they are doing.
My blood is boiling with anger from this ND scandal. This priest, Father Jenkins, is not adhering to church teaching and is being arrogant and disobedient to God and to The Catholic Church.
Obama is a politician with an agenda. Let him have a change of heart, then give him a honorary degree. ND is handing them a powerful weapon. Does ND understand this or politics and what this arguement is about. Would ND allow someone to play basketball on the football team. The reality is that he is not changing on this position that would prohibit him from getting renominated. This is a pro abortion statement made by the intellects of ND.
What about the fact that George W. Bush spoke at the 2001 ND commencement although he supported death penalty, which is against the church's teachings? I myself am a Catholic and was accepted to ND this year, but I have no problem with Obama at the commencement. I think Obama at the commencement podium should not be seen as a Democratic politician but as the President of the U.S. ND and other Catholics should forget about the political differences for at least one day.
>> he supported death penalty, which is against the church's teachings
The death penalty is NOT against the Church's teachings - individual Catholics are permitted to accept is as necessary or not. Abortion is not, however, the same sort of thing.
>> ND and other Catholics should forget about the political differences
It's not political differences - it's murdering children in their mothers' wombs. Objecting to him isn't because he's a socialist; it's cause he supports abortion.
The death penalty is NOT against the Church's teachings - individual Catholics are permitted to accept is as necessary or not. Abortion is not, however, the same sort of thing.
so the killing of a criminal is different from the killing of an unborn baby?
Jesus was considered a criminal. I thought it was the churches position that Life is to be respected in either case. And of course a unborn baby is completely innocent, but there have been criminals put to death that were innocent. Where does it say in catholic cat. that capital punishment is ok?
Well everyone with any sense knows Obama is spiritually sick, he is advancing the "Culture of Death" through his beliefs that are turning into policy. Obama complains about water boarding as torture, and yet he is in favor of killing the unborn in any way that is legal, disgusting! Thanks for your response. Btw, how can I get a CCC booklet?
You can find an online copy by googling "Catechism of the Catholic Church". You can also buy a copy of the book at any bookstore - Amazon will have a copy, I am sure.
>> Catholics should be equally opposed to the death penalty and abortion.
No they should not. Abortion is an intrinsic evil which can NEVER be allowed. Captial punishment is allowed in certain situations.
In any case; Obama supports abortion, embryonic stem-cell research, the death penalty, homosexuality etc. etc. - he is the most anti-Catholic president we have every had.
shut yo mouf italianleprkon! I don't expect you to understand the difference b/t innocent babies and guilty murderers, but I do expect you to know the facts: According to the Bureau of Justice statics, 37 people were executed in the US last year. Contrast that number with the 1.2 million fetuses slaughtered. Now, if you look at the sheer numbers here, and disregard the difference b/t innocents and murderers, you'll realize that abortion is a much bigger issue.
We have 40 days to organize! Where are our Bishops? Where are our voices? Has the Church caved in on the most tangible moral issue of all time? The Church should disavow any allegiance with this institution. We can support and build a real great institution. This one act will empty the pews and it is what this administration desires. Notre Dame is putting a man's color over character and pop culture over philosopy, theology and morality.
LOL! I used the same Hitler analogy the other day! "Sure he killed innocent Jews, but he created a number of social programs which put out of work Germans to work..." Great minds think alike : )
Many of those Germans built excellent ovens and very modern shower facilities - in JUST the same way as many Americans are employed in the abortion industry today!
Ouch : ) I would have said "nice shiney cars" for the sake of eccumenism : ) Then again, Catholics were the first victims of the holocaust so I guess we can joke a bit. Hey, I would suggest sending an email to Father Z's blog on wdtprs dot c0m as the topic is being discussed at length there as well. You would definitely get a highly favourable response.
I hope God tears down Notre Dame brick by brick if Obama is allowed to attend. Take away its catholic status and let Jenkins and his cohorts join Obama's evil cult for they don't represent any part of the true faith. To sully and defile Our Blessed Mother in such a way with the presence of that evil man is unpardonable.
To allow this President, or any President, or any person, to address your body, who holds such pro abortion views, is unbelievable.
The whole abortion issue is equally unbelievable. The fact that our legislators have ruled that it is ok for a woman to "choose" to kill her baby should be unthinkable.
It reads this way: GOD, Country, Notre Dame. GOD is listed FIRST, Country is second. I believe when you have someone committed to the Culture of Death receive an honor and speak to our graduates solely because he is the President you have messed up the order and put Country first. That's not the way it goes...GOD is always first!
Shame on Obama AND shame on the Notre Dame school officials for inviting him in the first place! I can't believe the complete arrogance of Obama defenders (ppl and the media) who question if these Catholics are Catholic enough to say they don't agree with Obama. These same ppl didn't ask if the 'tourists" (or whatever Obama wants to call 'em) at Guantanamo Bay are real Muslims and need the Koran and if they were real Muslims and needed a special diet.
obama has only seen two babies he wouldn't abort. He would love to get Catholics on board for the killing of little babies. GOD may judge this country for the murder of millions of babiesw. Maybe not?
Well spoken Michael!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Reasons and words justifying this will be forgotten immediately, but the action and degree will always endure and used as a tool.
Amen to what was said by Michael Voris! Very well said! Add to that the pre-med students at ND who may end up being FORCED to perform abortions due to Obama's support of removing conscience rights of health care providers. Rescinding the invite is the only way to keep peace with alumni, Catholics, the Church and God.
Rubbish. He said that "no God condones the taking of innocent life" and the proceeds to vote for policies which allow people to kill babies in the womb, and leave other infants to die AFTER THEY HAVE BEEN BORN.
>> it is impossible for abortion to harm the child. the fetus has no nerve endings.
2 points i) The fetus does have nerve ending, abortion can be carried out legally in this country at any & all times of the pregnancy (up to & including birth). That is simply a lie & scientifically not true. You'e a liar or ignorant.
ii) If we are to judge whether it's ok to kill based on whether someone feels it, what's wrong with me drugging you & chopping you into small pieces? You won't feel a thing!
I think he should be allowed as it might help the pro life cause and he would be an inspiring speaker to the students.
Also I believe Obama has nothing but admiration for the Catholic faith.
He believes in God, family, and love He would never do or say anything to belittle the faith, only praise it.
On a personal note I do not see abortion as the same as slavery, child porn, KKK or Hitler because it is impossible for abortion to harm the child. the fetus has no nerve endings.
Naturekid567, you said it is impossible to harm the child in an abortion? That's complete garbage, it terminates the life of the child, if that isn't incontrovertible evidence that it does harm the child, I don't know what is.
Naturekid567, please watch the Silent Scream video made by a former abotionist. Just google pro-life and silent scream. You will see a baby open it's mouth as the murder weapon touches it.
Obama calls an unwanted pregnancy a "punishment"? I visited the Notre Dame campus once in 1987 and went to a Fighting Irish game. It was so much fun. The campus was very beautiful and I never forgot that experience. I don't know how many names were on the petition, but I would have gladly signed mine. He should never have been invited there. I cringed when I heard the news. I will never understand why NDU allowed his presence. That was a low point...
KyrieEleison46 1 year ago
NO OBAMA
Followerofchrist15 2 years ago
Something similar is happening in Latinamerica catholic universities invite pro choice latins an USA and europeans . Mexico almost 92% is catholic almost all thepeople says no to abortion,is legal in Mexico City,What´s next in their plans Brazil, Argentina, All Africa. Why not CatholicUnivertsities teach about the dignityof human life, the spiirutality, the love of our Lord Jesus to al the humanity, the Church Social Doctrine that gives us an alternative to the problems of the world and peace
alfredmigable 2 years ago
I can't believe Notre Dame went through with it. What is wrong with the world? More importantly, what is wrong with the Catholics in power in America?
DeathToTheseWalls 2 years ago
I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied My Name.
Revelation 3:8
unashamedevangelist 2 years ago
Nobama
DeathToTheseWalls 2 years ago
Spent a few months in the last 2 years travelling America,East coast,West and Chicago,People are really friendly, helpfull and Polite,but really you guys read too much into Political views and Religon,Obama seems like an Intelligent guy but he should have respected the view and traditions of Notre Dame!i wont be surprised if his popularity ratings drop! hope you all work things out because it is still a great country............Irish guy living in Austria.
johnpaul25x 2 years ago
Q: Would a secular liberal university allow a pro-life conservative speak at a graduation? Why or why not?
GhostOfHillHouse 2 years ago
Nortre Dame is a microcosm of the Catholic church as a whole; most are nominal, some are die-hard dissenters, and a small minority are serious catholics. But the big dif is that Jesus never promised that hell would not prevail over His college or university, that promise only applies to his Church.
GhostOfHillHouse 2 years ago
Laus Deo.
No Obama.
m3a3t 2 years ago
Excelent message. Too bad it did not work.
ArtisanTony 2 years ago
nightowl, by your logic, if "bad parenting" produces miserable kids...are we to KILL the kids of bad parents...because they might "hate their lives" later on??? This is the most backwards reasoning i've ever heard! Blaming the parents is not the solution. You sound like YOU wish YOUR parents aborted YOU. geez! Quality of life is dictated from the inside out, not from the outside in. You have to be born again of water and Holy Spirit to have access to this liberating reality!
margottelint 2 years ago
This is awesome! They should definitely uninvite him.
larrymyclown 2 years ago
People are not seeing the real problem, but believe me, before Obama is through this country will not be as we know it now. Mr. Voris is on target, and there are other things Obama is doing that will be detrimental to our country. All that voted for him will rue the day they supported him. Just watch and see!!
bronze971 2 years ago
Would Jesus say okay to abortion?
Snotra 2 years ago
joe:
"I just don't see how a woman I've never met and have no connection to whatsoever getting an abortion affects me or anyone else besides her."
your taxes could have been put to better use. responsible, hard-working americans pay taxes to help irresponsible kill their accident babies?! just one of many disgusting things that our taxes go to. maybe you don't pay taxes so you don't care. but i do, and i do care. it's vile and outrageous.
Jdub9349 2 years ago
...who were "mistakes" if you will and became successful and not hate their lives. What are the chances of that though. If you're only argument against mine is religion related, don't bother because I don't buy it. Unless God told us DIRECTLY that abortion is wrong, I'm only going to think of the general affect abortion will have on society.
Nightowl889512 2 years ago
>> Unless God told us DIRECTLY that abortion is wrong
"Thou shalt not murder" applies to children in the womb.
>> I'm only going to think of the general affect abortion will have on society.
If you watch our show The Cost of Abortion (available at a very easy to guess website!) you will see abortion has cost 37 TRILLION DOLLARS in the US alone.
RealCatholicTV 2 years ago
>> What are the chances of that though.
High. Most PEOPLE do not "hate their lives". Your entire post assumes people born into poverty will always live horendous lives and should simply be culled.
That is arrogant, elitist, horrible class-rhetoric. I would abandon that train of thought if I were you.
RealCatholicTV 2 years ago
I'm gonna put religion aside on this one.
A child that is born to parents who are unable to take care of it: how is the quality of his/her life? Why make the child suffer his/her whole life because of the parent's mistake? That child will be the product of bad parenting, poorly taken care of, raised in a poor environment. And that is one of the reasons why we have bad kids in our society: Kids who are not properly raised by their unwilling parents. Of course, there may be examples of children
Nightowl889512 2 years ago
>> Why make the child suffer his/her whole life because of the parent's mistake?
Why kill the child before he is even born for the same reason?
Why don't we just kill every single child born below the poverty line by that same argument?
Hey! Barack Obama was born to a single mother, and he was born in relative poverty! Guess, according to you, we should have aborted him too?
We do not have the right to terminate a life before it can be lived.
RealCatholicTV 2 years ago
anyway....I was just wondering if you by any chance were there at the ND joker fest today? Some people from my church went to cheer "yes we can" along with their graduates. But that's not the kind of perspective I'm interested in. Anyway. I'm looking forward to some brand new reports from you. I guess I better subscribe to you.
God bless,
margottelint
margottelint 2 years ago
God provided humans with a very clear, obvious, violent, and easy to understand point at which life begins: its called birth.
historicaljoe 2 years ago
>> its called birth
So, a child born at 8 mnths (prematurely) is a person and deserving of human rights, but a child aborted at 9 months still in the womb is not?
That is a stupid and idiotic argument. The LOCATION of a human being determines his or her rights?
RealCatholicTV 2 years ago
I got to yell at the TV today for the first time in my life today when I heard el presidente say : "How does each of us remain firm in our principles, and fight for what we consider right, without, as Father John said, demonizing those with just as strongly held convictions on the other side?" ...Demonizing? I'm sorry, but he's demonizing himself by serving the wrong master and the Holy Spirit will help real Christians discern the presence of the demonic. Don't you think?
margottelint 2 years ago
I just don't see how a woman I've never met and have no connection to whatsoever getting an abortion affects me or anyone else besides her. Would you rather a woman suffer through a long, unwanted pregnancy and then be forced to care for a child she does not love for years? Or face the difficult decision of having to put the child up for adoption? None of these options are desirable outcomes.
historicaljoe 2 years ago
>> None of these options are desirable outcomes.
Of course they are not. But they are MORE desirable than KILLING HER OWN CHILD.
Babies in the womb can feel pain, respond to stimuli. They are human as you or I. It is simply not acceptable to kill them.
I believe in an earlier post someone cited the figures concerning abortions; a tiny fraction are carried out because of rape, incest or health reasons. Most are just simply because people didn't take care and now regret a having sex.
RealCatholicTV 2 years ago
by your reasoning, people should murder those through whom they experience hardship and pain. spare us your one-sided, unbalanced, heartless compassion. my mother attempted to abort me. i love her. i understand the fears she was going through at the time. but nothing, short of her own life being in imminent danger, could justify her quality of life trumping my life. considering murder as an "option" for a desirable outcome is as upside down as one's thinking can get.
blueflyer135 2 years ago
Abortions do not kill people unless the woman who is getting the procedure dies. A fetus is not a person.
Also, I would appreciate it if you posted the entire text comments being left. I understand you need to screen the arguments because of the volatile nature of the question at hand, and i respect your right to disregard inflammatory remarks, but picking and choosing what you post from the respectable comments is wrong.
historicaljoe 2 years ago
>> picking and choosing what you post from the respectable comments is wrong.
Good job I didn't do that, huh?
>> A fetus is not a person.
Modern biological science and logic disagree with you. At what point does a fetus become a person?
Bear in mind abortion is legal up until the very moment of birth.
The argument "this is not a person" was the argument used by slavers on blacks and Nazis on Jews. It is unsustainable and illogical; there is nothing to commend it.
RealCatholicTV 2 years ago
a fetus is not a person? wow...what an ignorant thing to say. as i mentioned in another post, my mother attempted to abort me. how dare you say that i was not a person while in my mother's womb. i found this quote online.....don't know who wrote it...but it is so perfectly true...."In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony." ,,,,,hmmmm, that one statement effectively reveals the hypocrisy of the pro-choice stance.
blueflyer135 2 years ago
blueflyer135 (10 hours ago)
a fetus is not a person? wow...what an ignorant thing to say. as i mentioned in another post, my mother attempted to abort me.
***
I wish your mother would have succeeded!
StarryKid06 2 years ago
Apologies to blueflyer if he is upset by the fact I left this horrible post from StarryKid in here, but I thought it was important we all see the face of the liberal left here.
I have deleted literally hundreds of messages of this sort - personal attacks, lies, threats of violence. I am leaving this ONE in here as an example of what these so-called "pro-choice" people are.
They are simply vile people. We need to understand and remember that, and continue to fight against them
RealCatholicTV 2 years ago
no problem...but thank you. i'm used to that kind of response. a number of years ago, on another message board, two women were posting back and forth as to how compassionate they both were for being pro-choice. their presumptive premise was that any child facing a birth into poverty or abuse would welcome and prefer the opportunity not to be born. they felt they were in fact, doing it a favor by supporting its demise.
blueflyer135 2 years ago
I have one big question: How does a woman getting an abortion affect someone who is totally uninvolved? Unless you are that woman or the man who got her pregnant, I don't see why someone else's choice makes such a big difference.
historicaljoe 2 years ago
>> Unless you are that woman or the man who got her pregnant, I don't see why someone else's choice makes such a big difference.
It's murder of a human being. Your question is basically saying no society should prevent murder because it doesn't touch anyone but the killer.
Abortions kill people.
RealCatholicTV 2 years ago
he was very open about his position and guess what?? he was elected. so why dont u religious people worry about the poor, hungry, and widows and orphans
badjer1785 2 years ago
>> why dont u religious people worry about the poor, hungry, and widows and orphans
We do - who is poorer than a child who doesn't even own a life? Who is hungrier than the child who never had a chance to suckle?
Widows and orphans have lost family - so have those who murder their own children in the womb.
We care about EVERYONE. What have you done today to protect any of the classes you describe? Or are they just used as weapons to attempt to discredit us?
Try again. Try harder.
RealCatholicTV 2 years ago
still obama was open about his position and won the election. dont be a sore loser. and let me rephrase what aobut the poor, hungry, widows and children who ARE AWARE OF THEIR existance. once u relig fix homelessness then you can worry about cells that have the potential to be humans.
badjer1785 2 years ago
>> cells that have the potential to be humans.
Life beings at conception. Answer me this; if it does not, when does it? And if a fetus is not a human, what is it?
And if it is not a human, is it okay for someone to go up and abort a fetus in someone else's body? After all - it's not human? Could I morally murder the child you conceived without your permission?
RealCatholicTV 2 years ago
Well, looks like this petition was pretty unsuccessful. Not that surprising, considering that there are less and less "real" catholics nowadays according to your standards (the whole "Christian only in name" thing).
Honestly I don't care whether presidents receive honorary degrees or whatnot - it's all just PR as far as I'm concerned.
maian330 2 years ago
>> there are less and less "real" catholics nowadays according to your standards (the whole "Christian only in name" thing).
Very true - there aren't many real Christians left. It is a shame indeed - especially for the Christians in name only, as they risk damnation.
>> Honestly I don't care whether presidents receive honorary degrees or whatnot
Apathy is fashionable today, I hear.
RealCatholicTV 2 years ago
Here's one I know you've heard before, but when men can have babies, then you can tell us what we can and can not do with our bodies. From the sounds of it you miss the days when a woman's place was in the kitchen, popping out babies and had no say in her life what so ever.
MuppetsRfUN 2 years ago
>> when men can have babies, then you can tell us what we can and can not do with our bodies.
We aren't telling you what you can do with your own bodies - we are telling you what you can't do to the body of another human being living inside you.
You can't murder them. It is immoral.
RealCatholicTV 2 years ago
Telling us what we can do with anything involving our bodies is still telling us what we can and can not do. Twist the words any way you'd like, they still come out the same.
MuppetsRfUN 2 years ago
>> Telling us what we can do with anything involving our bodies is still telling us what we can and can not do.
Yes. We are telling you it is immoral to murder. The law says it is immoral for a man to rape a woman - is that someone telling men what they cannot do with their bodies?
Yes, it is - but it is also telling men what they cannot do to someone else.
You may not murder your own child. Her life is not your own. Keep your hands off it.
RealCatholicTV 2 years ago
>> when men can have babies, then you can tell us what we can and can not do with our bodies.
Shall I get a woman (who can have babies) to tell you what you may and may not do? Would that argument convince you?
RealCatholicTV 2 years ago
No, it really would not because nobody has the right to tell anybody what they can or can not do with any part of their body, inside or outside.
MuppetsRfUN 2 years ago
>> nobody has the right to tell anybody what they can or can not do with any part of their body
So it is perfectly acceptable for a man to put part of his body inside a woman against her will?
RealCatholicTV 2 years ago
You can't even compare rape and abortion, they are two totally different things.
God gave us free will, we are allowed to make our own choices. If we make the wrongs ones then I'm sure we'll hear about it, but here on Earth we are the ones in charge of our lives, what we do and what we do not do. When my judgment comes I'll take whatever happens, until that time, why don't you save judgment for somebody way more qualified than you?
MuppetsRfUN 2 years ago
>> You can't even compare rape and abortion, they are two totally different things
Rape is illegal, abortion is not. They are both grotesque violations of the dignity of the human person.
Explain why, based on your comment "nobody has the right to tell anybody what they can or can not do with any part of their body" why a woman has a right to tell a man he can't rape her.
I say she has that right; because I respect her dignity as a human person. Why do you say she has that right?
RealCatholicTV 2 years ago
>> why don't you save judgment for somebody way more qualified than you?
I did not come up with the idea abortion is wrong on my own; God makes it clear it is evil and wrong. And many other people, vastly more educated than I, have also said as much.
Women who have HAD abortions regret them more often than not. Abortions kill thousands of mothers each and every year.
You are right - you are in charge of what you do. That doesn't mean whatever you do is right. It means you do evil.
RealCatholicTV 2 years ago
God also made it clear that we should "judge not", you seem perfectly happen to judge everybody who does not agree with you.
MuppetsRfUN 2 years ago
>> God also made it clear that we should "judge not",
Oh, this old chestnut. You will find more verses in the Bible which say we should judge correctly. And, the verses which say do not judge say "let you are judged yourself". You've been very judgmental of me and mine.
So, I was warned by God about people like you.
Your arguments are getting desperate and irrelevant. Try to stay on topic.
RealCatholicTV 2 years ago
Rape is not just a "violation of the dignity of the human person", the deed itself is done out of anger, abortion is not something done out of anger. Ask any woman who has had an abortion if she was angry when she made the decision. That is the difference.
MuppetsRfUN 2 years ago
>> the deed itself is done out of anger
So, if I violated the dignity of a human person NOT out of anger (such as killing someone because I thought they were unhappy, despite the fact they didn't want to be killed) that would be okay?
Or if someone raped someone not out of anger, but because he thought she would enjoy it? Would that be acceptable?
And many abortions ARE carried out in anger - anger and rage against the fact a woman's actions have consequences she doesn't like.
RealCatholicTV 2 years ago
"Obama's anti-life, pro-death policies" LOL! So if someone thinks that having an abortion shouldn't be illegal, they're in favor of death.
Given the current state of things, I don't see how any progress can be made on this debate.
velcroboy60000 2 years ago
>> So if someone thinks that having an abortion shouldn't be illegal, they're in favor of death.
Obviously - given the fact abortion involves killing (that is "death") and anyone who doesn't think it should be illegal is "in favor" of it by definition.
Well done, you get a star.
>> I don't see how any progress can be made on this debate
This isn't a debate - debate would imply your side had some valid arguments.
RealCatholicTV 2 years ago
Womens' right
aliownzu 2 years ago
>> Womens' right
You do realize half the babies aborted are women, right? What about THEIR "womens' right"? The rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?
RealCatholicTV 2 years ago
Abortion is genocide. Although I agree, there should be effort made towards giving the child to another family, but sometimes there is no other option. Where is your proof that Obama would support abortion at anytime? - such as in the last 3 months of pregnancy for example?
joshgriffiths 2 years ago
>> Where is your proof that Obama would support abortion at anytime? - such as in the last 3 months of pregnancy for example?
Google "Obama abortion voting record" - it's not hard to find. The man supports partial birth abortion.
RealCatholicTV 2 years ago
too many people use religion as a reason to dictate their beliefs...well not everyone is christian and not everyone thinks abortion is immoral thats y this is a free country..it seems like one side always try to tell the other side their opinion is wrong well you know what i don't see it that way its what each individual believes
mest5621 2 years ago
Trust someone who can't find the SHIFT key to use a childish argument.
>> well not everyone is christian and not everyone thinks abortion is immoral thats y this is a free country
So, if it's a free country, why can't I own slaves? Seriously - you might not like it, but "thats y this is a free country", right?
YOU don't have to own slaves. But if I want to, I can? Right? That seems to be what you are suggesting.
RealCatholicTV 2 years ago
He is not supporting Abortion as murder, and Obama is most definitely not the antichrist, I hate it how CATHOLICS seem to think that their views are the do all and end all. He is supporting Abortion for reasons such as rape, or people who physically, mentally or financially are not able to have a child. I think its disgusting how you seem to think you have the right to claim someone is a murderer for that reason.
joshgriffiths 2 years ago
I wish you people would learn what Obama actually believes in.
>> He is supporting Abortion for reasons such as rape, or people who physically, mentally or financially are not able to have a child.
Check his record - he has CONSISTENLY supported abortion at ANY time for ANY reason. Not just for rape, incest, and health of the mother. ANY reason, at ANY time.
He supports genocide. He thinks it's okay for a woman to arrange to have her child killed right up to the moment it is being born.
RealCatholicTV 2 years ago
THEN GIVE IT TO ODOPTION. there are tons of heterosexual couples that arn't able to have children that want them.
asidic31indy 2 years ago 3
Have you ever thought that not everyone in the United States is Christian? The government is separated from the church for a reason. Just shut up.
anabob92 2 years ago
>> Just shut up.
Wow - so we are supposed to respect Obama's views, but aren't allowed to air our own? Grow up and come back when you are sober.
It doesn't matter if not everyone is a Christian - killing babies in the womb is WRONG. It is wrong if you are Christian, Muslim, Pagan, Jew, atheist or worship the FSM.
Murder is not nice. It is what Obama supports. Draw your own conclusions.
RealCatholicTV 2 years ago
God Himself has given human beings a choice....He has laid out the consequesnces of life and death( in termes of lifestyle0....WHO ARE YOU AS A HUMAN BEING TO DENY SOMEONE THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE...IF A WOMAN DECIDES TO HAVE AN ABORTION, SHE WILL ANSWER TO GOD...NOT MAN BESIDES..IF YOU FORNICATE AND ABORT, THE FORNICATOR AND THE ONE WHO HAS AN ABORTION ARE BOTH CONSIDERED SINNERS BY GOD
Msbea345 2 years ago
>> WHO ARE YOU AS A HUMAN BEING TO DENY SOMEONE THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE
Do you apply this logic to murderers of people OUTSIDE the womb, too? I mean, who is the government to decide a person can't come around to your house and shoot you and your family dead?
If a man decides to murder someone, he will answer to God, right? So why have anti-murder laws?
>> THE FORNICATOR AND THE ONE WHO HAS AN ABORTION ARE BOTH CONSIDERED SINNERS BY GOD
Yes, well done. Your point?
RealCatholicTV 2 years ago
Notre Dame is no longer a Catholic University. Not when it honors a man who supports such a pagan, hateful practice such as abortion. This senseless genocide must stop.
JerryBentham 2 years ago
are you that shallow that you have to protest obamas speach b/c one issue? its not a critical issue such as the economy or the wars we are but abortion. abortion might be a bad thing but its not the #1 reason why he should be protested.
evb4mvp 2 years ago
>> its not a critical issue
4000 Americans murdered by their mothers EACH AND EVERY DAY isn't "critical"?
Come back when you are sober.
RealCatholicTV 2 years ago
Do you think it would be a more "critical issue" if were your life that was at stake?
arslp 2 years ago
I am strongly against abortion. It's not a woman's life to terminate...it's God's! Abortion should only be used if a woman was raped, other than that...don't have sex, if you don't want to get pregnant, and then not be able to take care of the baby. Women are being selfish when they do this.
firestream93 2 years ago
>> Abortion should only be used if a woman was raped
It is wrong to punish a son or daughter for the crime of the father - would it be acceptable to kill you if your father did something wrong?
So why murder a child in the womb?
RealCatholicTV 2 years ago
Im not suprised over Obama's welcome at this university. What was more alarming to me was the great numbers of Catholics who voted for him, in full knowing they risked ex communication under cannons 751 and 1364, in their Catachism.
Snotra 2 years ago 2
>> knowing they risked ex communication under cannons 751 and 1364, in their Catachism.
I just wish the Bishops DID excommunicate people!
RealCatholicTV 2 years ago
I am a Mormon and I support the conservative Catholic pro-life and tradistional marriage positions. Catholics stood by and defended Mormons when fighting for tradistional marriage in California. All Mormons should stand up for Catholics and Pope Benedict's spiritual revelations concerning these important moral issues and denounce Obama's visit to Notre Dame.
EscapeNewJersey 2 years ago 4
@EscapeNewJersey Amen!
777ChiRho 1 year ago
Very good comparisons, Mr. Michael Voris! You're a real Catholic! God bless you!
guatay 2 years ago 2
Stand UP!!!! KEEP HIM OUT!!
Dude, you have very compelling arguments and near perfect delivery. Thanks for posting
byrdbassist 2 years ago 2
AND obama consistantly removes Christian iconography from sight wherever he speaks. He seems like an antichrist to me.
caveatemp 2 years ago 2
>> He seems like an antichrist to me.
He is certainly opposed to Christianity - I do not know if that makes him THE Antichrist, but he is certainly anti-Christian
RealCatholicTV 2 years ago
exactly. There are so many antichrists. Obama is sure in the limelight right now.
caveatemp 2 years ago 4
DAMN RIGHT!!!!
byrdbassist 2 years ago 3
How can you say Barack Obama is anti-christian? He went to church his whole life and still does. If he was anti-christian he wouldn't attended a christian church. If you don't want him to speak at ND that is understandable, but to claim that he is anti-christian is just embarrassing.
auzzyb 2 years ago
>> He went to church his whole life and still does.
A Church which preaches NOTHING related to Christianity.
>> to claim that he is anti-christian is just embarrassing.
He is opposed to basic Christian principles. He is not a Christian man - he just claims to be for various benefits. Christopher Hitchens is of the opinion he is an atheist - I am too.
RealCatholicTV 2 years ago
He's a hypocrite. It's not enough to say you're Christian; you have to actually follow what Jesus taught (i.e. no infanticide).
JerryBentham 2 years ago
>> you have to actually follow what Jesus taught (i.e. no infanticide).
And no gay "marriage", no stem-cell research, no sexual immorality . . .
There are a whole BUNCH of things President Obama supports which are anti-Christian.
Including the laws he is shoving through which make it illegal to even read the Bible out loud. Free speech something you have heard of, Barack?
RealCatholicTV 2 years ago
A very good point, and one the media doesn't seem to bring up often enough.
beaglenuts55 2 years ago 3
Powerful. This man is articulate and totally correct. Thanks for posting.
philosophy7575 2 years ago 2
how can this school call themselves catholic and have this scum of a man Obama make a speech there?? they are not catholics
newtnice 2 years ago 3
Hear, hear! Very well said and I commend you for your efforts. Mr, Obama should be ashamed. Is there no end to his repulsive acts? It is bad enough that our tax dollars are funding abortions. Now, he is going to be awarded for these acts? And, by a Catholic school no less! This man needs our prayers for guidance....as does Notre Dame.
meuhelper 2 years ago
this is just the beginning of his devisive actions. watch and see.
BBQkrewe 2 years ago
Come on people and the students of Notre Dame
Let your voices be heard. It is time to take a stand for Christ- no matter how unpopular.
Remember- Jesus stepped on alot of toes.
Rlucz 2 years ago 2
At this point in time, President Obama's "words of wisdom" are not welcome at any insitution of higher learning in this country. He has, however, received several requests to speak at the University of Havana. Maybe he'll take Nancy "my nose is growing" Pelosi with him.
beaglenuts55 2 years ago
I'm a Protestant but I agree with the Catholics on this. God bless Dr. Keyes for what he and these wonderful people are doing. We all need to stand together as Christians in a Non-Denominational way to have God's Word in the Name of Jesus be Christ (Who IS the LIVING WORD) be known to those lost half of Americans. To plant the seed of Life into their hearts in hopes that they will accept Christ who will take it from there to help bring The United States back to a STRONG Nation! God Bless.
rchlovn 2 years ago
it is not Father Jenkins, he should be plain and simple Mr. Jenkins.
mellydad 2 years ago 3
obama should get booed off stage!
coloradosecurityman 2 years ago 5
Awesome Video-Well said!!!!! Its simple! Its a Catholic School ,he is anti-Catholic,what a stupid, stupid idea to have him there......I hope they do the right thing...
Nerrmal 2 years ago 2
Please pray the rosary on the 17th in reparation against the sin that Fr Jenkins and his cohorts have committed against Our Lord.
clairemarie0109 2 years ago
about give or take 1% of all abortions are because of rape or incest. 6% Are because of health complications to the mother. And 93% are for "social" issues (i.e. the child is unwanted or inconvenient). 52% of women obtaining abortions in the U.S. are younger than 25: Women aged 20-24 obtain 32% of all abortions.
Married women account for 18.4% of all abortions and divorced women obtain 9.4%.
Josh200067 2 years ago 2
Excellant!
redrock52 2 years ago
So are they going to allow anyone who voted in favor of the Iraq war to speak? They certainly don't speak for all Catholics.
visugeek 2 years ago
>> So are they going to allow anyone who voted in favor of the Iraq war to speak? They certainly don't speak for all Catholics.
Support of the Iraq war is not a doctrinally-defined evil action. The Iraq war and abortion are NOT the same "level", even IF the Iraq war was a doctrinally-defined evil (which it is not).
Individual Catholics may support the war or not as their conscience informs them. Abortion is not open to debate.
RealCatholicTV 2 years ago
Congratulations on a well put together defense of Catholic teaching vis-a-vis the Notre Dame Obama controversy. Ever though of running for President? God Bless
utff313 2 years ago
i signed the petition and i have been praying the rosary .....i am a catholic and i am against the evil of abortion and obama is a killer of the unborn babies...lets not stop fighting the pro choice people..am just wondering how many of these aborted babies may have been excellent leaders of different countries of the world..maybe this world is a much better place to live in...and what would have happened if obama was aborted by his mother?????
benhur2127 2 years ago
President Obama represents the culture of
of Death not Life. The Catholic Church represents
Life. President Obama has no business being at
at the Catholic University of Notre Dame.
The president of Notre Dame Rev. John I Jenkins,
CSC is an absolute IDIOT!!!! Fire the IDIOT!!!
Where are the US Bishops? Stand up and be men!!!
Pro Bikers For Life
TUpshur 2 years ago
Thank you so much for the enlightened video, you are a Great American !
I truly hope that Obama will NOT be allowed on Notre Dame property.
They may force their way in with the left media behind but please stand your ground !
The only thing left to do if this happens is to rally all the students to:
1) TURN THEIR BACKS TO THE PRESIDENT AT COMMENCMENT. MAJOR STATEMENT TO THE MEDIA DRONES.
2) BOO the President. LOUDLY !
I am behind you 150% on this.
Good Luck !
Just00truth 2 years ago
stand up in defense for the silent cries of the unbourn
cob4128 2 years ago 4
notre dame is a Disgrace, and so is obama.
ryen1992 2 years ago 2
I am not a Democrat or Republican I'm a Roman Catholic and and I'm Pro Life, No to obama for anything and No to notre dame.
ryen1992 2 years ago 2
Laus Iesu.
cavdi 2 years ago
Obama, begone !
cavdi 2 years ago
The 'Bush got one, too' - argument doesn't stick if only because a) his degree & speech were in May 2001, well before even 9/11/01 and
b) even if it were wrong to give GWB the dergee (presonally I oppose honorary degrees in principle, give an award if you must instead), two wrongs don't make one right.
Obama Bought The Presidency
PeterHaroldErikson 2 years ago
This just can't be allowed to happen at Notre Dame.
What happened at Georgetown last week was reprehensible and they will endure the consequences of Catholics in the form of applications and donations.
If Obama is "honored" at Notre Dame, the Institution will officially go on record as having the most Pro-Choice, Pro-Infanticide President in History speak to a body of predmominent Catholics.
If it does happen, ND will gravely tarnish its Catholic image and face unthinkable results.
rosterchange 2 years ago 2
331,125 have signed the petition so far... and counting
XSC3 2 years ago
I support President Barack Obama speaking at the Notre Dame Commencement.
Callen259 2 years ago
>> I support President Barack Obama speaking at the Notre Dame Commencement.
Well, that's just fine. But the Church, the Bishops, the pope, faithful Catholics, Jesus Christ, God, 4000 aborted babies a day all disagree with you.
Sure that's your final answer? Wanna 'phone a friend?
RealCatholicTV 2 years ago
I disagree as well. You cannot call yourself a faithful Catholic while supporting Omaba's endeavors. We must pray that he change his position on several critical matters.
SeptemberCatholic18 2 years ago
As a Boston College Alum, I support your protest against the incumbent Administration at ND, spiritually and politically. When the undergrad Dem Club of BC hosted the terrorist Bill Ayers to speak, it sparked outrage here where Alums threatened to suspend donations. The Jesuits eventually forced the Bill Ayers to speak off campus and distanced itself from it. ND should continue the pressue and I pray that other Academic Institutions will join in the fight-BC, G'town, Fordham, Marquette, Gonzaga.
BCEagles2010 2 years ago 5
Of course it is different.
The Catechism of St. Pius X has to say on the topic of capital punishment:
3 Q. Are there cases in which it is lawful to kill?
A. It is lawful to kill when fighting in a just war; when carrying out by order of the Supreme Authority a sentence of death in punishment of a crime; and, finally, in cases of necessary and lawful defense of one's own life against an unjust aggressor.
Abortion is no where near the same. A baby is innocent.. criminals... not so.
cunaboy213 2 years ago 3
I praying to Our Lord for Jenkins to be fired - he is useless - no spiritual leader at all. Get rid ASAP.
clairemarie0109 2 years ago
God bless the catholic faith! May the Lord Jesus watch over the church always!!
RockyBalboa211 2 years ago
As a Jew, I gladly signed the petition, and I urge every Cathothlic Christian to resist with all your strength in allowing that baby murdering con-artist (HUSSEIN Obama) to speak on your campus! And I pray that if he does in fact speak at commencement (God forbid), that those thousands of you that have threatened to withdraw your financial support to ND follow through and do so.
njmhk 2 years ago 3
Im not saying that i dont understand how you feel.But certain people who have latched on to this debate such as gingrich, are being very hypocritical.And did not PM Lester Pearson speak at notre dame.wasnt he pro abort while he was speaking?
mitchstrongjr 2 years ago
>> And did not PM Lester Pearson speak at notre dame.wasnt he pro abort while he was speaking?
He may very well have been - which simply means that it was wrong to invite him AS WELL. It does not mean that it is right to invite Obama.
RealCatholicTV 2 years ago
Good for you. Sign the petition.
ocampomaster 2 years ago
dear notre dame alumni,
send no more contributions.
it will no longer be a catholic institution of higher learning.
your money speaks louder than your words or
faith.
you have been betrayed.
TinasAwesome2 2 years ago
U PEOPLE R SICK.HE IS OUR PRES.notre dame invited him.he didnt invite himself.Bush was invited also.Bush is for the death penalty.The Church is against the death penalty.The pope is vs the penalty.nobody complained bc he was our president
mitchstrongjr 2 years ago
>> U PEOPLE R SICK.
Wow - the people who COMPLAIN about 4000 babies A DAY being killed by their own mothers.
>> The Church is against the death penalty.
No, she is not - not doctrinally and definitively. She is, however, opposed to abortion.
In any case - more babies are killed by abortion in one day than in the whole history of the USA by the death penalty.
RealCatholicTV 2 years ago
Maybe Notre Dame students could assemble a giant Rosary prayer sit-in during the Commencement speech to pray for Obama's "road to Damacus" conversion...I think this would make a greater public statement than just demonstrating in protest in the usual matter. Imagine how the secular media would report the great prayer conversion sit-in...And maybe by the Grace of God, Mr. Obama may be affective by such prayer to convert his mind and heart towards supporting life at all stages...
jimbol51 2 years ago
Good Idea, but I am afraid the damage will be done. An honorary degree will be given and ND is making a statement that is now supporting abortion. The Church should disavow ND as a Catholic institution immediately! In that way when they use this to further their cause and divide and weaken the Church, at least we as Catholics can say ND is not a Catholic University because of this. This is a big big win for the culture of death. As acamdemics they must know what they are doing.
mellydad 2 years ago
the catholic students, if obama does speak, should all turn thier backs to him. is'nt tha t what obama did to the catholic voters that voted for him.
selrod55 2 years ago
Sadly, those who voted for him are CINOs - Catholics In Name Only - and support his murderous, genocidal agenda.
RealCatholicTV 2 years ago
My blood is boiling with anger from this ND scandal. This priest, Father Jenkins, is not adhering to church teaching and is being arrogant and disobedient to God and to The Catholic Church.
salahuddinyusuf 2 years ago 5
Obama is a politician with an agenda. Let him have a change of heart, then give him a honorary degree. ND is handing them a powerful weapon. Does ND understand this or politics and what this arguement is about. Would ND allow someone to play basketball on the football team. The reality is that he is not changing on this position that would prohibit him from getting renominated. This is a pro abortion statement made by the intellects of ND.
mellydad 2 years ago 4
What about the fact that George W. Bush spoke at the 2001 ND commencement although he supported death penalty, which is against the church's teachings? I myself am a Catholic and was accepted to ND this year, but I have no problem with Obama at the commencement. I think Obama at the commencement podium should not be seen as a Democratic politician but as the President of the U.S. ND and other Catholics should forget about the political differences for at least one day.
ascendant979 2 years ago
>> he supported death penalty, which is against the church's teachings
The death penalty is NOT against the Church's teachings - individual Catholics are permitted to accept is as necessary or not. Abortion is not, however, the same sort of thing.
>> ND and other Catholics should forget about the political differences
It's not political differences - it's murdering children in their mothers' wombs. Objecting to him isn't because he's a socialist; it's cause he supports abortion.
RealCatholicTV 2 years ago
The death penalty is NOT against the Church's teachings - individual Catholics are permitted to accept is as necessary or not. Abortion is not, however, the same sort of thing.
so the killing of a criminal is different from the killing of an unborn baby?
Callen259 2 years ago
>> so the killing of a criminal is different from the killing of an unborn baby?
Yes - a baby is innocent. A criminal is not.
RealCatholicTV 2 years ago
Jesus was considered a criminal. I thought it was the churches position that Life is to be respected in either case. And of course a unborn baby is completely innocent, but there have been criminals put to death that were innocent. Where does it say in catholic cat. that capital punishment is ok?
icimblind 2 years ago 4
>> I thought it was the churches position that Life is to be respected in either case.
The Church allows for capital punishment in limited cases. pp 2266 and onwards in the CCC.
But there are 4000 babies aborted a day in the USA, which is more than the total number of capital punishments carried out in the USA in 200 years.
Also; I don't notice Obama calling to cancel the death penalty? I missed that in his fatuous, self-serving platform.
RealCatholicTV 2 years ago
Well everyone with any sense knows Obama is spiritually sick, he is advancing the "Culture of Death" through his beliefs that are turning into policy. Obama complains about water boarding as torture, and yet he is in favor of killing the unborn in any way that is legal, disgusting! Thanks for your response. Btw, how can I get a CCC booklet?
icimblind 2 years ago
You can find an online copy by googling "Catechism of the Catholic Church". You can also buy a copy of the book at any bookstore - Amazon will have a copy, I am sure.
RealCatholicTV 2 years ago
Thank you, and thank you Mike for creating this video. You are a branch that remains in the True Vine!
Peace
icimblind 2 years ago
I think icimblind is trying to point out hypocritical protesters. Catholics should be equally opposed to the death penalty and abortion.
italianleprkon 2 years ago
>> Catholics should be equally opposed to the death penalty and abortion.
No they should not. Abortion is an intrinsic evil which can NEVER be allowed. Captial punishment is allowed in certain situations.
In any case; Obama supports abortion, embryonic stem-cell research, the death penalty, homosexuality etc. etc. - he is the most anti-Catholic president we have every had.
RealCatholicTV 2 years ago
shut yo mouf italianleprkon! I don't expect you to understand the difference b/t innocent babies and guilty murderers, but I do expect you to know the facts: According to the Bureau of Justice statics, 37 people were executed in the US last year. Contrast that number with the 1.2 million fetuses slaughtered. Now, if you look at the sheer numbers here, and disregard the difference b/t innocents and murderers, you'll realize that abortion is a much bigger issue.
kosimpson 2 years ago
>> shut yo mouf italianleprkon!
That is not very charitable kosimpson; such angry outbursts are not suitable for a Catholic. Your points are correct, but we should always be polite.
RealCatholicTV 2 years ago
We have 40 days to organize! Where are our Bishops? Where are our voices? Has the Church caved in on the most tangible moral issue of all time? The Church should disavow any allegiance with this institution. We can support and build a real great institution. This one act will empty the pews and it is what this administration desires. Notre Dame is putting a man's color over character and pop culture over philosopy, theology and morality.
mellydad 2 years ago 4
LOL! I used the same Hitler analogy the other day! "Sure he killed innocent Jews, but he created a number of social programs which put out of work Germans to work..." Great minds think alike : )
capone70 2 years ago 5
Many of those Germans built excellent ovens and very modern shower facilities - in JUST the same way as many Americans are employed in the abortion industry today!
RealCatholicTV 2 years ago
Ouch : ) I would have said "nice shiney cars" for the sake of eccumenism : ) Then again, Catholics were the first victims of the holocaust so I guess we can joke a bit. Hey, I would suggest sending an email to Father Z's blog on wdtprs dot c0m as the topic is being discussed at length there as well. You would definitely get a highly favourable response.
capone70 2 years ago
>> I would have said "nice shiney cars"
I could so make a comment about Obama interfering in private companies by ordering the firing of Rick Wagoner here, but I won't.
Sadly, this is the least of his socialist-murder policies. Firing CEOs is one thing, but he is hell-bent on killing future workers!
RealCatholicTV 2 years ago
I hope God tears down Notre Dame brick by brick if Obama is allowed to attend. Take away its catholic status and let Jenkins and his cohorts join Obama's evil cult for they don't represent any part of the true faith. To sully and defile Our Blessed Mother in such a way with the presence of that evil man is unpardonable.
clairemarie0109 2 years ago 2
Notre Dame........
What were you thinking?
To allow this President, or any President, or any person, to address your body, who holds such pro abortion views, is unbelievable.
The whole abortion issue is equally unbelievable. The fact that our legislators have ruled that it is ok for a woman to "choose" to kill her baby should be unthinkable.
Indeed, it is unthinkable......
that life has such little value.
bobbytiger 2 years ago 3
Please let Fr. Jenkins know this:
It reads this way: GOD, Country, Notre Dame. GOD is listed FIRST, Country is second. I believe when you have someone committed to the Culture of Death receive an honor and speak to our graduates solely because he is the President you have messed up the order and put Country first. That's not the way it goes...GOD is always first!
franklinjefferson 2 years ago 3
Shame on Obama AND shame on the Notre Dame school officials for inviting him in the first place! I can't believe the complete arrogance of Obama defenders (ppl and the media) who question if these Catholics are Catholic enough to say they don't agree with Obama. These same ppl didn't ask if the 'tourists" (or whatever Obama wants to call 'em) at Guantanamo Bay are real Muslims and need the Koran and if they were real Muslims and needed a special diet.
AbuGrabIt 2 years ago
obama has only seen two babies he wouldn't abort. He would love to get Catholics on board for the killing of little babies. GOD may judge this country for the murder of millions of babiesw. Maybe not?
5158307 2 years ago 3
Well spoken Michael!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Reasons and words justifying this will be forgotten immediately, but the action and degree will always endure and used as a tool.
mellydad 2 years ago 3
Amen to what was said by Michael Voris! Very well said! Add to that the pre-med students at ND who may end up being FORCED to perform abortions due to Obama's support of removing conscience rights of health care providers. Rescinding the invite is the only way to keep peace with alumni, Catholics, the Church and God.
franklinjefferson 2 years ago 2
>> He believes in God, family, and love
Rubbish. He said that "no God condones the taking of innocent life" and the proceeds to vote for policies which allow people to kill babies in the womb, and leave other infants to die AFTER THEY HAVE BEEN BORN.
RealCatholicTV 2 years ago
>> it is impossible for abortion to harm the child. the fetus has no nerve endings.
2 points i) The fetus does have nerve ending, abortion can be carried out legally in this country at any & all times of the pregnancy (up to & including birth). That is simply a lie & scientifically not true. You'e a liar or ignorant.
ii) If we are to judge whether it's ok to kill based on whether someone feels it, what's wrong with me drugging you & chopping you into small pieces? You won't feel a thing!
RealCatholicTV 2 years ago
I think he should be allowed as it might help the pro life cause and he would be an inspiring speaker to the students.
Also I believe Obama has nothing but admiration for the Catholic faith.
He believes in God, family, and love He would never do or say anything to belittle the faith, only praise it.
On a personal note I do not see abortion as the same as slavery, child porn, KKK or Hitler because it is impossible for abortion to harm the child. the fetus has no nerve endings.
naturekid567 2 years ago
Naturekid567, you said it is impossible to harm the child in an abortion? That's complete garbage, it terminates the life of the child, if that isn't incontrovertible evidence that it does harm the child, I don't know what is.
johnny7782 2 years ago 3
Naturekid567, please watch the Silent Scream video made by a former abotionist. Just google pro-life and silent scream. You will see a baby open it's mouth as the murder weapon touches it.
franklinjefferson 2 years ago 3
>>Naturekid567, please watch the Silent Scream video
I already told him to do this. His response was (and I quote from a PM to me);
"I still fail to see how abortion=murder or is wrong to permit Even after reading about the procedures used."
So, he doesn't care about human suffering.
RealCatholicTV 2 years ago