Choy Lee Fut vs Xing Yi sparring experiment

[jenkem23]

wheres the hsing i?

[igcoyote]

This video should be called: Fighting like a woman vs fighting like a clueless moron.

[Tianshanwarrior]

man your comment made me laugh

[Twycross]

bleh

[Clfguardian26]

Thai have some nasty tricks, my favorite is the clinch into several Knee's and finish with a smashing elbow. They also have amazing footwork and powerful hands.

[Clfguardian26]

Not bad. I Prefer Gwa choy to make him react and then Cheong choy to close the gap/Test the distance needed and then Clinch couple knees followed by a Takedown, a quick Jump to guard, slip pass his guard if he has one and Submission with paint the floor or arm-bar, hopefully he doesn't bite me LOL. And to answer your question yes I added BJJ into my fighting style. Now I have CLF/Hung Ga and BJJ along with JKD Concepts.

[chlifa]

That is a bad "experiment"! Because of 2 factors:

1st: The guy in red gloves seems to be a beginner and he is doing more boxing than useing CLF technics! CLF includes very agressive kicks and knee technics.

2nd: The guy in black has finger-free gloves and that is definitivly unfair because CLF has a lot of grabling technics (kam'na for example) so he can't use none of the real technis.

Remember not the style is important but the human who practice a style.

[macmus98]

1. We haven't got lower body armour, so kicks are not allowed.

2. Gloves restrict what you can do for sure. No arguments there from me.

[clffreak]

CLFDevil, weren't you supposed to post some clips on clf tactics and strategies? can't wait to see you in action. regards

[thedoubtfuls]

Watching this just fortifies my opinion that gloves really handicap the Xingyi practitioner. I can't really see the power delivery, bridging, chinna and grappling techniques that are a part of Xingyi as I know it, at least. I think, if gloves, best to stick with western boxing.

[macmus98]

Good comment. The techniques of modern western boxing have evolved from the original barehand origins into techniques specifically for use with gloves, so its no surprise that they're the best choice when fighting with gloves on. Conversely, Western Boxing won't be much use to you if you have to fight on a battlefield with a spear!

[macmus98]

From a XingYi perspective it does restrict what you can do, however you can adapt the XingYi to work with gloves on, and it's worth trying it out and experimenting, I think. While the gloves definitely get in the way a lot, I've found Bear and Horse both work well with gloves on, for example.

[thedoubtfuls]

Fair enough. Maybe someone will one day make a pair of gloves that work better for xingyi, like a padded curve at the chopping part of the hand. Anyway, keep training and have fun!

[randyds5]

i see you like "pi chuan"

[macmus98]

Yes, I do :)

[macmus98]

Thanks brother, I noticed that too. It's mainly me (black) that is sticking my arm out. I'm doing it when I'm restrict myself to only using XY 5E techs, which this was my first go at, I don't tend to do it in CLF-only mode (see 5.32 onwards).

Even though it's a fault it's actually a lot harder to counter than you think when sparring with resistance. Me, I'd grab it and pull using Lop Sao, rather than use charp choy to slip it - they'd just step back. It's hard to grab with gloves on though.

[clffreak]

good big sao!!!

[macmus98]

Thanks :)

I like the combo videos you posted that you're teaching your wife - I'm always messing around with different combos like that myself.

[macmus98]

Hi all,

One comment I've received a lot on this video in email is "not following up enough" after a hit - it's a fair comment, and yes there should be more following up - I agree.... but at the same time we're not trying to kill each other, just spar, and after each heavy hit we're checking to make sure the other person is ok, and not "out on their feet" , rather than following up - those punches hurt - especially that last one - BIG SAO!

G (in Black)

[macmus98]

Thanks, yes, I agree! After watching the video Red said the same thing - he's going to work on his combos a lot - at the moment it's just too much wild swinging. They're far too easy to avoid and most of them are not on target anyway. Like you say - they need to be set up.

That one I do (I'm Black) at the end that hits the target well, has a subtle (ok, slightly subtle :) ) set up involving the left arm as a distraction first.

Thanks for the comments!

G