@rozeboosje I think that would be a very good outcome where the belief in 'god' became irrelevant, then ppl would stop wars and conflicts and threats of annihilations of countries or putting down women because of their belief in an archaic 'club' that ppl started about 2,000 years ago.
@2ube2ube Oh, that "club" has been going for a LOT longer than 2,000 years. It started when Glurgh the Caveman looked at his stone hand-axe, and the tree he was about to fell, and he got the crazy notion that just like he created that hand-axe, something "out there" created that tree. And so the insanity started.
I have grown up in a socialist state, it was not founded on 'good intentions' but simply the need for the poor to have basic rights and a decent standard of living.Socialism here has been deliberately subverted by those who proclaim good intentions for the many when really it means a return to the old system of the priviliged living off the backs of the needy.If socialism or communism has any failing then it is because they are not able to protect themselves against the corruption that they end
@stratocaster539 I think all ideologies suffer from this problem. Some of the ideas that underlie any particular ideology may not even be all that bad. But then the adherents start thinking that reality should be subordinate to the ideology. That if reality does not fit the ideology, that the ideology CAN'T be wrong and reality MUST be shoehorned into fitting the ideology. And that's when the proverbial hits the ventilator.
Only one ever so slight flaw in the entire argument .. THERE HAS NEVER BEEN AN ATHEIST STATE !! Apart from that slight fallacy - nice try !!
But how do theists explain the HUNDREDS of religiously initiated wars that have killed (in todays terms), the population of the planet nearly TWICE OVER !! 10 - 14 BILLION equivalent religious murders !!
How do theists explain why they are so over represented in jails ?
And let's ignore the complete absence of evidence for any deity !!
the thing people dont want to understand about what he wants, is that he doesnt want to kill religion... he just wants to show people that not everything religion and the books and the religious leaders say is correct or moral, because several times, they are not...
The speaker discusses failed 'atheist' states, while also failing to mention that the states he mentioned were all *communist*. Pure socialism never succeeds in large groups, and communism is pure socialism. There are quite successful modern secular states rooted in free enterprise.
@Gilbertus1986 Tehnically agnosticism is an epistemologial question that does not answer whether or not you think there is a god.
Most people are agnostic. We don't know. As an atheist, I live my life as if there is no God, and I think that certain Gods cannot exist, and Gods in general do not exist.
@TheAtheologian There is no such thing as an atheist agnostic. Since atheism automatically denies theism, whereas agnosticism means that both atheism and theism is in doubt.
@Gilbertus1986 Descartes demonstrated the impossibility of doubting doubt (atheism of course being a rejection of a proposition, i.e. doubt). Agnosticism is the stance "I don't know" on a wider perspective than even jsut the God question. All the atheists I know are agnostic. But they still live their lives as there is no God, as I pointed out in the post you responded to.
Atheism means you live you don't think there is a God. This means "I don't know" fits perfectly.
@Gilbertus1986 [There is no such thing as an atheist agnostic] A demon called Enumok told me that your soul will be taken to hell unless you give me all your money. Since you will not give me your money, and since you can´t prove that Enumok does not exist, you are an "AEnumokist" agnostic. You deny the the truth of my claim, but can´t prove that I´m not telling the truth.
@Gilbertus1986 I want to get rid of murder and robbery, do my intentions make my ethical judgement of murder and robbery biased or is my ethical judgement of murder and robbery making my intentions biased?
@MrJohnnyrace every deconversion story is a tale of hope. But I'm ok with people choosing to remain ignorant as long as it remains their personal choice and they don't expect others to pretend they buy into the BS, and they don't subvert the education of our children. Try to do either and they will find me in staunch opposition. If they mind their own business though, I'm happy to mind my own in turn.
@MrJohnnyrace well, I don't wish to generalize, but if you're talking about those religious people who do present "arguments" like the one put forward by the asker in this video then ... Yes indeed.
"Why does Daniel Dennett think Atheism is such a great idea if past experiences with regimes that tried to force it upon the population led to oppression and they failed miserably?"
Because Knowing the difference between Fascism, Communism, and Atheism is really hard.
Wll in fact, Stalin´s attempt was somewhat effective. Estonia (I hope I´m right) and the Czech Republic) are among the top atheist countries. They used to have a stalinistic regime. Just like the Romania, which is really religious. The point is it doesn´t prove shit :)
How they miss all the evidence that could prove their case is a mystery to me.
@54321Adela [shrug] - yes, but so are many Scandinavian countries in which religion was never oppressed. It just slowly faded away. Holland, too. And of course the Russian Orthodox Church is far from dead. But fair enough, your main point is valid: "it doesn't prove shit". Quite :-)
@rozeboosje Yeah, but my point was Stalinism could have somewhat affected nations under it´s influencein their religiosity which Scandinavian countries never were (I hope you know that) :) But agreed.
I love the annotation at the beginning... It really goes to show how many people merely read the titles of videos and then comment a reply, before even watching the video at all.
How is China a failed state? Its the richest nation in the world and succesful in every possible way. 500 million people taken out of poverty in less than a generation is quite an achievement. Still some human rights issue, but they are improving..
@crocfme No, what asker meant is that the communist "experiment" of trying to impose Atheism on the population failed. He wasn't talking about China specifically or anything other than that specific aspect of it.
@crocfme China´s govmt. succeded in making millions dying of starvation during the Great Leap Foward; future policies only tried to bring things back to the former state of affairs. By "Succesful in every possible way" you shall mean also in human rights record and free speech, I guess.
We've all got skeletons in the closet; In Australia the British exterminated the Tasmanians and all-but wiped out the mainland Aboriginies. The White Europeans practised a policy of genocide against the native Americans. Europe, Russia etc.: all have behaved diabolically at varios points in their past.
China has a bit further to go than most in human rights, but it is moving forward, like we did.(Are)
@Burdell22000 To be fair though china has about a billion people -- no country is able to provide welfare for a billion people -- so of course millions are going to be dying of starvation.
It's easy for country like the US which dont have anywhere close to the population of china to provide healthcare and welfare for everyone
@crocfme I would contend that it is the moral religiousity of other countries that have put pressure on China to correct their gross humanitarian violations. The ethic of life having value is a religious concept even while religious people don't always adhere to it.
Hmm the comments on this vid say allot about you Roze.
I have seen comments made by you on other vids and you take incoherence to a whole new level.
You can't force a disbelief on someone just as you cant force a belief on someone. The mind just doesn't work that way. You can create legislation till the cows come home but the mind stands alone, uncontested and if it chooses, defiant.
@stramster1 Before I do block you, please tell me do you seriously think that I am taking a position in this video, ANY position at all? And especially a position *against* my hero Daniel Dennett? What on EARTH would give you that idea?!
@stramster1 No? Pride's too hard to swallow, darling? Ok. Blocked. Have a very nice life indeed. You won't get the chance here, sweetheart, but perhaps you might consider actually trying to comprehend what you read on the next person's channel. You don't like the way I run this channel? Tough titty. I interact with my audience. I try to respond to *everyone*. And that means that I can't allow myself to be drawn into pointless arguments with the terminally stupid. And yes, that means YOU. Blocked
Your video description shows how much you don't get it. Daniel Dennett isn't promoting "forced atheism". He's promoting free thinking, which he and many others believe usually lead to secularism.
@dookdawg214 Oh SWEET blistering JEEBUS. My face hurts I'm palming it so hard. Dude. Are you *serious*? You really don't get the format of this series? *sigh*
@dookdawg214 An hour later and no "oh dear. I really screwed up here"? No "if only I had bothered to actually *watch* the video I would have understood that the title is a paraphrasing of the question, and the video contains Daniel Dennett's answer? No "I should really have read the video description before embarrassing myself with my stupid comment"? Ok. Blocked.
@cookeladoo And I'm not sure how that relates to this video. Yes, Daniel Dennett mentions Apartheid, but *not* as an example of an "atheist" regime, but as an example of something that people thought was a good idea when it clearly wasn't.
@JinxOz because I don't think it's your place to judge the comments made by others. Only I get to decide what is SPAM, and what is or isn't welcome on this channel. Any other questions?
Is that teh argument that mao, stalin and hitler were atheists who forced atheism on the populace? If so, that guy is a moron. I can't even be bothered explaining it anymore..
@daemonowner That's exactly what it was, and I dare say that despite his exceedingly polite answer the phrase "oh would you ever just PISS OFF" may have flashed through the professor's mind ... :-)
@MomoTheBellyDancer Hi Momo. Just to let you know that I have one very clear channel policy: irritating assholes get blocked, and if they then come back with a sock account not only will I block that account too, but I will remove the whole conversation. I'm only telling you this because you responded to a troll's comment, out of courtesy as you may be wondering what's happening.
@Speiraz That's a big job but I'll see what I can do and I'll PM you if I get around to it. Or I might transcribe it and just put it in the video description. Again I'll PM you if I get around to doing that.
I'm pretty sure that Jesus guy started with the best of intentions too. But look at christianity now, that has been one failing on-going theist experiment. Tsk tsk the things power does to our good intetions. Power has never been neither "gentle" nor "humane".
Actually, no government had "removal of religion" as a goal. Ever. Destruction of a specific religion (ask a Muslim about the Jews) or against a religious organization (ask Stalin about the Russian Orthadox Church, who kicked him out when he was a seminary student), yes. But none was trying to "eradicate" religion and set up an "Atheist" state. The example of Mao is a particularly stupid one. As I said, the "state" wanted all non Han (Chinese) religions kicked out, but not religion itself.
I don't know of any atheists that aren't for secularism. It was secularism that was denied, was destroyed by these so called "atheist regimes". To claim that atheism is inherently anti-secular as those regimes were is just patently false. It's like claiming that we should abolish women's rights because of the feminists that want to rid the world of the male gender.
@dookiecheez Yes, like I point out to dangerouslytalented below, it's the ideological position (e.g. "communism") that led to the prosecution, not the simple non-belief in a god, which, ultimately, is all that Atheism is. These folks didn't set out to create Atheistic regimes, they set out to create, say, a Communist regime and as religion was a threat to their own authority they could not tolerate it and that is what led for those regimes to incorporate "atheism". But that's all.
@666xDevilmanx666 Ok retard, you obviously don't have the mental capacity to understand that the title refers to the gist of the question that was asked, and that this video contains Daniel Dennett's response to that question. I'm sorry that such subtleties are too difficult for you to grasp, but I have one channel policy and that is that the terminally stupid are not welcome here. Have a nice life. You're blocked.
@RobertSeattle "How do you tell an Atheist is speaking the truth? His lips don't move. :-)"
:::TRANSLATION::::
"We can't prove EVOLUTION wrong, & we can't prove the EXISTENCE OF GOD, so we'll just make childish jokes to make us feel better while we sit here & HOPE we're right."
@RobertSeattle Geez Robert, you're such an intellectual. With all these atheist idiots who responded to you I'm schocked you didn't came up with a thoughtful reply? Come on, someone with a channel as interesting as yours must have the capacity to come back and pwn them all them atheist morons. Watcha waiting for? :-)
The regimes that tried to force it upon the population were trying to force it upon the population not for any rationalist ideas, but to rid themselves of any opposition.
@dangerouslytalented They tried to enforce an ideology that, just like religious fundamentalism, couldn't tolerate an alternative source of authority. To a communist regime, a religious organisation that claims to have a moral code to offer is a rival authority and it must be eradicated. With force if necessary. Atheism at its root, the mere refusal to believe in any "gods", does, in my opinion, not come into that picture.
@rozeboosje sadly you seem to be unable to understand the difference between "of rid themselves of any opposition" and "enforce an ideology onto someone else".
@dangerouslytalented Marxist regimes attempted to replace religion with fanatic ideology grounded in disastrously irrational views of history and human nature. These movements also adopted the tropes and methods of Christianity and Islam, demanding absolute faith in leaders and doctrine, excommunicating or killing dissenters, and promoting international Jihad to bring all to Communism. Far from being Atheist, Marxist regimes are classic Theocracies, as Hitchens observed of North Korea.
The Religion experiment has been around for several thousand years and has clearly failed. It is now time to try the Atheist era
jontibloom 3 weeks ago
@jontibloom We should even move beyond that into the diatheistic era where belief in "god"s has become as irrelevant as it should be.
rozeboosje 3 weeks ago
@rozeboosje I think that would be a very good outcome where the belief in 'god' became irrelevant, then ppl would stop wars and conflicts and threats of annihilations of countries or putting down women because of their belief in an archaic 'club' that ppl started about 2,000 years ago.
2ube2ube 2 weeks ago
@2ube2ube Oh, that "club" has been going for a LOT longer than 2,000 years. It started when Glurgh the Caveman looked at his stone hand-axe, and the tree he was about to fell, and he got the crazy notion that just like he created that hand-axe, something "out there" created that tree. And so the insanity started.
rozeboosje 2 weeks ago
Yeah it was the wrong video. Comment removed.
micmac274 1 month ago
@micmac274 No worries.
rozeboosje 1 month ago
Comment removed
micmac274 1 month ago
@micmac274 I get a strong impression that you didn't actually intend to post that comment on this video [grin]
rozeboosje 1 month ago
I have grown up in a socialist state, it was not founded on 'good intentions' but simply the need for the poor to have basic rights and a decent standard of living.Socialism here has been deliberately subverted by those who proclaim good intentions for the many when really it means a return to the old system of the priviliged living off the backs of the needy.If socialism or communism has any failing then it is because they are not able to protect themselves against the corruption that they end
stratocaster539 1 month ago
@stratocaster539 I think all ideologies suffer from this problem. Some of the ideas that underlie any particular ideology may not even be all that bad. But then the adherents start thinking that reality should be subordinate to the ideology. That if reality does not fit the ideology, that the ideology CAN'T be wrong and reality MUST be shoehorned into fitting the ideology. And that's when the proverbial hits the ventilator.
rozeboosje 1 month ago
@rozeboosje yes, very good point.I suppose ideology becomes a slave to dogma.
stratocaster539 1 month ago
Only one ever so slight flaw in the entire argument .. THERE HAS NEVER BEEN AN ATHEIST STATE !! Apart from that slight fallacy - nice try !!
But how do theists explain the HUNDREDS of religiously initiated wars that have killed (in todays terms), the population of the planet nearly TWICE OVER !! 10 - 14 BILLION equivalent religious murders !!
How do theists explain why they are so over represented in jails ?
And let's ignore the complete absence of evidence for any deity !!
AetheismRules 1 month ago
@AetheismRules Why are you asking ME? I didn't ask the question. I just posted this to share the Professor's excellent response to it.
rozeboosje 1 month ago
the thing people dont want to understand about what he wants, is that he doesnt want to kill religion... he just wants to show people that not everything religion and the books and the religious leaders say is correct or moral, because several times, they are not...
KoManekiNekoChan 3 months ago
@KoManekiNekoChan Exactly
rozeboosje 3 months ago
The speaker discusses failed 'atheist' states, while also failing to mention that the states he mentioned were all *communist*. Pure socialism never succeeds in large groups, and communism is pure socialism. There are quite successful modern secular states rooted in free enterprise.
eventhisidistaken 4 months ago
@eventhisidistaken Exactly, and it's a pity the professor didn't mention that.
rozeboosje 4 months ago
So the scientist guy still admits that he wants to get rid of Religion.... Doesn't that mean that he is biased via his own intentions / worldview..
Gilbertus1986 5 months ago
@Gilbertus1986 Who isn't?
rozeboosje 5 months ago
@rozeboosje
Lol touche'
(I could say agnostics, since we sit on the fence for the most part)
Gilbertus1986 5 months ago
@Gilbertus1986 Even they do. And even we, diatheists.
rozeboosje 5 months ago
@Gilbertus1986 Tehnically agnosticism is an epistemologial question that does not answer whether or not you think there is a god.
Most people are agnostic. We don't know. As an atheist, I live my life as if there is no God, and I think that certain Gods cannot exist, and Gods in general do not exist.
But I still don't know.
TheAtheologian 4 months ago
@TheAtheologian There is no such thing as an atheist agnostic. Since atheism automatically denies theism, whereas agnosticism means that both atheism and theism is in doubt.
Gilbertus1986 3 months ago
@Gilbertus1986 Descartes demonstrated the impossibility of doubting doubt (atheism of course being a rejection of a proposition, i.e. doubt). Agnosticism is the stance "I don't know" on a wider perspective than even jsut the God question. All the atheists I know are agnostic. But they still live their lives as there is no God, as I pointed out in the post you responded to.
Atheism means you live you don't think there is a God. This means "I don't know" fits perfectly.
TheAtheologian 3 months ago
@Gilbertus1986 [There is no such thing as an atheist agnostic] A demon called Enumok told me that your soul will be taken to hell unless you give me all your money. Since you will not give me your money, and since you can´t prove that Enumok does not exist, you are an "AEnumokist" agnostic. You deny the the truth of my claim, but can´t prove that I´m not telling the truth.
lfzadra 3 months ago
@Gilbertus1986 I want to get rid of murder and robbery, do my intentions make my ethical judgement of murder and robbery biased or is my ethical judgement of murder and robbery making my intentions biased?
FilipKunc 5 months ago
Quick! Someone tell the Swedes their experiment failed!
MomoTheBellyDancer 5 months ago
@MomoTheBellyDancer [grin]
rozeboosje 5 months ago
There is a very big difference between a communist state and an atheist state
youbetzler 6 months ago
@youbetzler Of course. And I think the professor does a pretty good job explaining things to asker.
rozeboosje 6 months ago
@rozeboosje Not really, they can overlap too.
dna1987 6 months ago
@dna1987 Nobody's denying that.
rozeboosje 6 months ago
@MrJohnnyrace Yup. Like I said: staunch opposition. Unyielding, even ;-)
rozeboosje 6 months ago
@MrJohnnyrace every deconversion story is a tale of hope. But I'm ok with people choosing to remain ignorant as long as it remains their personal choice and they don't expect others to pretend they buy into the BS, and they don't subvert the education of our children. Try to do either and they will find me in staunch opposition. If they mind their own business though, I'm happy to mind my own in turn.
rozeboosje 6 months ago
@MrJohnnyrace not necessarily. It could just be ignorance, in which case it can be cured by education.
rozeboosje 6 months ago
@MrJohnnyrace well, I don't wish to generalize, but if you're talking about those religious people who do present "arguments" like the one put forward by the asker in this video then ... Yes indeed.
rozeboosje 6 months ago
"Why does Daniel Dennett think Atheism is such a great idea if past experiences with regimes that tried to force it upon the population led to oppression and they failed miserably?"
Because Knowing the difference between Fascism, Communism, and Atheism is really hard.
dotmadhack 7 months ago
@dotmadhack apparently it is for some ... ;-)
rozeboosje 7 months ago
cool, that old guy is the worlds best ventriliquist
SANHEDRIN666 9 months ago
@SANHEDRIN666 and [gasp] HE doesn't blink ONCE O_o
rozeboosje 8 months ago
Wll in fact, Stalin´s attempt was somewhat effective. Estonia (I hope I´m right) and the Czech Republic) are among the top atheist countries. They used to have a stalinistic regime. Just like the Romania, which is really religious. The point is it doesn´t prove shit :)
How they miss all the evidence that could prove their case is a mystery to me.
54321Adela 10 months ago
@54321Adela [shrug] - yes, but so are many Scandinavian countries in which religion was never oppressed. It just slowly faded away. Holland, too. And of course the Russian Orthodox Church is far from dead. But fair enough, your main point is valid: "it doesn't prove shit". Quite :-)
rozeboosje 10 months ago
@rozeboosje Yeah, but my point was Stalinism could have somewhat affected nations under it´s influencein their religiosity which Scandinavian countries never were (I hope you know that) :) But agreed.
54321Adela 10 months ago
I love the annotation at the beginning... It really goes to show how many people merely read the titles of videos and then comment a reply, before even watching the video at all.
TheCycadsAreAudible 11 months ago
@TheCycadsAreAudible And kudos to you, sir or madam, for rising above the rabble :-)
rozeboosje 11 months ago
@rozeboosje :-)
TheCycadsAreAudible 11 months ago
How is China a failed state? Its the richest nation in the world and succesful in every possible way. 500 million people taken out of poverty in less than a generation is quite an achievement. Still some human rights issue, but they are improving..
crocfme 1 year ago
@crocfme No, what asker meant is that the communist "experiment" of trying to impose Atheism on the population failed. He wasn't talking about China specifically or anything other than that specific aspect of it.
rozeboosje 1 year ago
@crocfme China´s govmt. succeded in making millions dying of starvation during the Great Leap Foward; future policies only tried to bring things back to the former state of affairs. By "Succesful in every possible way" you shall mean also in human rights record and free speech, I guess.
Burdell22000 1 year ago
@Burdell22000
We've all got skeletons in the closet; In Australia the British exterminated the Tasmanians and all-but wiped out the mainland Aboriginies. The White Europeans practised a policy of genocide against the native Americans. Europe, Russia etc.: all have behaved diabolically at varios points in their past.
China has a bit further to go than most in human rights, but it is moving forward, like we did.(Are)
crocfme 1 year ago
@Burdell22000 To be fair though china has about a billion people -- no country is able to provide welfare for a billion people -- so of course millions are going to be dying of starvation.
It's easy for country like the US which dont have anywhere close to the population of china to provide healthcare and welfare for everyone
badpanda84 10 months ago
@crocfme I would contend that it is the moral religiousity of other countries that have put pressure on China to correct their gross humanitarian violations. The ethic of life having value is a religious concept even while religious people don't always adhere to it.
bowingeast 9 months ago
growing up should not be forcded its a slow painfull process
fallbread 1 year ago
@fallbread When you're 44 it certainly doesn't seem slow anymore. Long ago, maybe. LOL
rozeboosje 1 year ago
@rozeboosje so true so true:)
fallbread 1 year ago
Ahh...the comment section sometimes can be filled with such intellectual gems, it makes me giggle like a little school girl ;-P
AbdultheImpailler 1 year ago
@AbdultheImpailler I just want to weep for humanity XD
rozeboosje 1 year ago
how the heck did anyone not get this?
Good vid Rosie.
Don't pay any attention to the folks who couldn't bother to watch it before commenting.
DeathofSpeech 1 year ago
@DeathofSpeech I'll pay them as much attention as it takes to block them, and then I'll be delighted to forget they ever existed :-)
rozeboosje 1 year ago
Hmm the comments on this vid say allot about you Roze.
I have seen comments made by you on other vids and you take incoherence to a whole new level.
You can't force a disbelief on someone just as you cant force a belief on someone. The mind just doesn't work that way. You can create legislation till the cows come home but the mind stands alone, uncontested and if it chooses, defiant.
Please block me too as I am done with you.
Dennett was named 2004 Humanist of the Year. ♥☺♥
stramster1 1 year ago
@stramster1 Before I do block you, please tell me do you seriously think that I am taking a position in this video, ANY position at all? And especially a position *against* my hero Daniel Dennett? What on EARTH would give you that idea?!
rozeboosje 1 year ago
@stramster1 No? Pride's too hard to swallow, darling? Ok. Blocked. Have a very nice life indeed. You won't get the chance here, sweetheart, but perhaps you might consider actually trying to comprehend what you read on the next person's channel. You don't like the way I run this channel? Tough titty. I interact with my audience. I try to respond to *everyone*. And that means that I can't allow myself to be drawn into pointless arguments with the terminally stupid. And yes, that means YOU. Blocked
rozeboosje 1 year ago
Your video description shows how much you don't get it. Daniel Dennett isn't promoting "forced atheism". He's promoting free thinking, which he and many others believe usually lead to secularism.
dookdawg214 1 year ago
@dookdawg214 Oh SWEET blistering JEEBUS. My face hurts I'm palming it so hard. Dude. Are you *serious*? You really don't get the format of this series? *sigh*
rozeboosje 1 year ago
@dookdawg214 An hour later and no "oh dear. I really screwed up here"? No "if only I had bothered to actually *watch* the video I would have understood that the title is a paraphrasing of the question, and the video contains Daniel Dennett's answer? No "I should really have read the video description before embarrassing myself with my stupid comment"? Ok. Blocked.
rozeboosje 1 year ago
For what it is worth, the Apartheid regime was every thing but secular. It was actually very much christian based.
cookeladoo 1 year ago
@cookeladoo And I'm not sure how that relates to this video. Yes, Daniel Dennett mentions Apartheid, but *not* as an example of an "atheist" regime, but as an example of something that people thought was a good idea when it clearly wasn't.
rozeboosje 1 year ago
Interesting. Hey uploader, why did you disable thumbs up/down button?
JinxOz 1 year ago
@JinxOz because I don't think it's your place to judge the comments made by others. Only I get to decide what is SPAM, and what is or isn't welcome on this channel. Any other questions?
rozeboosje 1 year ago
Is that teh argument that mao, stalin and hitler were atheists who forced atheism on the populace? If so, that guy is a moron. I can't even be bothered explaining it anymore..
daemonowner 1 year ago
@daemonowner That's exactly what it was, and I dare say that despite his exceedingly polite answer the phrase "oh would you ever just PISS OFF" may have flashed through the professor's mind ... :-)
rozeboosje 1 year ago
@MomoTheBellyDancer Hi Momo. Just to let you know that I have one very clear channel policy: irritating assholes get blocked, and if they then come back with a sock account not only will I block that account too, but I will remove the whole conversation. I'm only telling you this because you responded to a troll's comment, out of courtesy as you may be wondering what's happening.
rozeboosje 1 year ago
@rozeboosje Aaarrgh. Apologies, MomoTheBellyDancer, I did not mean to delete your comment as well.
rozeboosje 1 year ago
I don't understand what they are saying.. make subtitles please.
Speiraz 1 year ago
@Speiraz That's a big job but I'll see what I can do and I'll PM you if I get around to it. Or I might transcribe it and just put it in the video description. Again I'll PM you if I get around to doing that.
rozeboosje 1 year ago
why do the video comments have nothing to do what is being said in the video...
AtheistKharm 1 year ago
@AtheistKharm Red Herrings and strawmen are my beset guess.
crazyinsane500 1 year ago
@AtheistKharm Good question ;-)
rozeboosje 1 year ago
I'm pretty sure that Jesus guy started with the best of intentions too. But look at christianity now, that has been one failing on-going theist experiment. Tsk tsk the things power does to our good intetions. Power has never been neither "gentle" nor "humane".
kirindechu 1 year ago
@kirindechu That's similar to the point I made to dangerouslytalented :-)
rozeboosje 1 year ago
i failed to hear what the fuck is goin on
greatkeyboardwarrior 1 year ago
@greatkeyboardwarrior I'm afraid the sound quality is what it is.
rozeboosje 1 year ago
Actually, no government had "removal of religion" as a goal. Ever. Destruction of a specific religion (ask a Muslim about the Jews) or against a religious organization (ask Stalin about the Russian Orthadox Church, who kicked him out when he was a seminary student), yes. But none was trying to "eradicate" religion and set up an "Atheist" state. The example of Mao is a particularly stupid one. As I said, the "state" wanted all non Han (Chinese) religions kicked out, but not religion itself.
RyuDarragh 1 year ago
@RyuDarragh Yes, see what I said to dangerouslytalented
rozeboosje 1 year ago
I don't know of any atheists that aren't for secularism. It was secularism that was denied, was destroyed by these so called "atheist regimes". To claim that atheism is inherently anti-secular as those regimes were is just patently false. It's like claiming that we should abolish women's rights because of the feminists that want to rid the world of the male gender.
dookiecheez 1 year ago
@dookiecheez Yes, like I point out to dangerouslytalented below, it's the ideological position (e.g. "communism") that led to the prosecution, not the simple non-belief in a god, which, ultimately, is all that Atheism is. These folks didn't set out to create Atheistic regimes, they set out to create, say, a Communist regime and as religion was a threat to their own authority they could not tolerate it and that is what led for those regimes to incorporate "atheism". But that's all.
rozeboosje 1 year ago
How do you tell an Atheist is speaking the truth? His lips don't move. :-)
RobertSeattle 1 year ago
@RobertSeattle
Why did the atheist cross the road?
To rape an old lady because he has no concept of morality.
Sarahon06 1 year ago
@Sarahon06 Wow, you are right. Golly Gee, what time is it?
It's Rape time.
Zuul030 1 year ago
@Sarahon06 "Why did the atheist cross the road?
To rape an old lady because he has no concept of morality"
You wanna know what's funnier than that?
Morons who (((NEED))) a SKY DADDY to tell them what's WRONG & RIGHT, because they're too fucking STUPID to figure it out on their own.
Morals ARE NOT God Given.
Only an IDIOT would believe it's ok to murder, rape, molest, & destroy just because there are no "consequenses".
They're ARE, idiot. Society Falls IF you break those rules.
666xDevilmanx666 1 year ago
@666xDevilmanx666
lol
Pro tip: Check the persons channel page before replying to their comments. ;)
Sarahon06 1 year ago
@Sarahon06 I KNEW I was on a Christian channel.
Doesn't change the FACT of the points I made.
Thanks.
666xDevilmanx666 1 year ago
@666xDevilmanx666
So you went to my channel and gathered from it that I was a Christian?
Sarahon06 1 year ago
@Sarahon06 Or mine, for that matter XD
rozeboosje 1 year ago
@Sarahon06 I came HERE...to this Christian Channel.
I don't go looking at people's "Profile" Channels unless I find them interesting. Sorry.
666xDevilmanx666 1 year ago
@666xDevilmanx666 *lulzapoppin*
rozeboosje 1 year ago
@Sarahon06 [snicker] - happens to me *all* the time.
rozeboosje 1 year ago
@666xDevilmanx666 You're new here, aren't you? [benign papal smile and a wave]
rozeboosje 1 year ago
@rozeboosje New here?
Ya, 1st time to your video.
I'm sorry....did I make a mistake thinking this is an Atheist Bashing video...hmmm don't know how I could have made that mistake with the Title.
Then all I see are Atheist jokes, so yeah...you got me there.
Color me confused...but I was just here to "listen" to your video.
Don't worry...wont make that mistake again....I'll go check out serious videos that actually mean something.
666xDevilmanx666 1 year ago
@666xDevilmanx666 Ok retard, you obviously don't have the mental capacity to understand that the title refers to the gist of the question that was asked, and that this video contains Daniel Dennett's response to that question. I'm sorry that such subtleties are too difficult for you to grasp, but I have one channel policy and that is that the terminally stupid are not welcome here. Have a nice life. You're blocked.
rozeboosje 1 year ago
@Sarahon06 ROFL
rozeboosje 1 year ago
@RobertSeattle "How do you tell an Atheist is speaking the truth? His lips don't move. :-)"
:::TRANSLATION::::
"We can't prove EVOLUTION wrong, & we can't prove the EXISTENCE OF GOD, so we'll just make childish jokes to make us feel better while we sit here & HOPE we're right."
666xDevilmanx666 1 year ago
@RobertSeattle LOL
rozeboosje 1 year ago
@RobertSeattle Gee whiz, Robert, I think subtlety isn't your responders' strong point. Am I the only one who gets your joke? [giggles]
rozeboosje 1 year ago
@rozeboosje Well, no. I think Sarahon got it, too :-)
rozeboosje 1 year ago
@RobertSeattle Geez Robert, you're such an intellectual. With all these atheist idiots who responded to you I'm schocked you didn't came up with a thoughtful reply? Come on, someone with a channel as interesting as yours must have the capacity to come back and pwn them all them atheist morons. Watcha waiting for? :-)
Knr911 1 year ago
The road to Hell (even for atheists) is paved with good intentions.
cosmicskydaddy 1 year ago
@cosmicskydaddy Quite, though their "hell" is more of an internall affair XD
rozeboosje 1 year ago
@rozeboosje internaLL <--- LOL
rozeboosje 1 year ago
@rozeboosje ROFL
cosmicskydaddy 1 year ago
Shit, i do read lips, it's a photo! no lips no hear...
Oshyoga 1 year ago
@Oshyoga Sorry! Next vid, moving lips.
rozeboosje 1 year ago
@rozeboosje Yoooheeey! Thanks
Oshyoga 1 year ago
couldn't have said it better myself.
gothatfunk 1 year ago
@gothatfunk He has quite a way with words.
rozeboosje 1 year ago
is that you asking the question?
Antistar211 1 year ago
@Antistar211 Er.... the asker starts by saying "I'm a lapsed Atheist". You can rest assured that that term does not apply to me.
rozeboosje 1 year ago
The regimes that tried to force it upon the population were trying to force it upon the population not for any rationalist ideas, but to rid themselves of any opposition.
dangerouslytalented 1 year ago 3
@dangerouslytalented They tried to enforce an ideology that, just like religious fundamentalism, couldn't tolerate an alternative source of authority. To a communist regime, a religious organisation that claims to have a moral code to offer is a rival authority and it must be eradicated. With force if necessary. Atheism at its root, the mere refusal to believe in any "gods", does, in my opinion, not come into that picture.
rozeboosje 1 year ago
@rozeboosje sadly you seem to be unable to understand the difference between "of rid themselves of any opposition" and "enforce an ideology onto someone else".
mihaimoldo 5 months ago
@mihaimoldo sadly I don't engage Trolls
rozeboosje 5 months ago
@dangerouslytalented Marxist regimes attempted to replace religion with fanatic ideology grounded in disastrously irrational views of history and human nature. These movements also adopted the tropes and methods of Christianity and Islam, demanding absolute faith in leaders and doctrine, excommunicating or killing dissenters, and promoting international Jihad to bring all to Communism. Far from being Atheist, Marxist regimes are classic Theocracies, as Hitchens observed of North Korea.
Hottides 1 year ago
@dangerouslytalented Bingo.
vysehrad 1 year ago
@dangerouslytalented this is a fact that many proponents of the Stalin argument conveniently ignore
stoltobot 6 months ago