Inostrancevia & Gorgonops Tribute

[KCNofear]

muy bueno

[titodelibero]

Hideously fugly looking mutt... e_O'

[Raphael041]

the inostrancevia is featured in dino crisis 2, cool!!

[gckbowers411]

The gorgonopsid in primeval is Gorgonops longifrons.

[dinox3raptor]

@gckbowers411 When I make this vid I didn't know about it

[Tom101229]

From 324 to 250 million years ago, the world was dominated by the Therapsids. 250 to 65 million years ago, it was dominated by the Dinosaurs.

Both are warm blooded and both are ancestors of modern day warm blooded animals, Mammals and Birds. The Legacy continues.

[solnegrolunaroja]

I took my cat with me at the laptop and said "Look! Your grand^10-father!

[Tom101229]

It is your grandfather too.

[solnegrolunaroja]

@Tom101229 It's amazing, isn't? There are many obvious features we share with all mammals, the teeth, in example. Our skeleton still reflects many of that ancient carachteristics. Some people wrongfully think we are very different from the animals that sorrounds us :)

[Tom101229]

To a point they are right. We appear like we've evolved thousands of years faster than anything else on this planet. So many changes occurred so rapidly that they don't make any sense. Mostly changes in our posture and in our intellect.

Homo Erectus is 2/3rds the brain mass of modern day humans but 1/1000th the intellect.

Those are some major changes.

We are clearly terrestrial and we are clearly primates. But... we appear similar to the difference between a modern bird and a dinosaur.

[Tom101229]

The amount of difference between a Hawk or an Owl and a Tyrannosaurus appears to be the same between Humans and Chimps. In fact, it has recently been found out that we are 98% genetically related to them, though we are still most closely related to them. There are many junk DNA strands (which we call junk, which aren't junk since they involve the structure of our mentality and behavior) that makes us more different than we currently think.

[Tom101229]

It has been recently been found out that we are not 98% related to them as previous thought. Sorry about that.

[Tom101229]

There are three factors that could explain this.

1) Humans are extremely mutative, but it still doesn't really explain these huge changes.

2) Humans might have been exposed in our early evolution to intense radiation, which could cause massive mutations, but it would affect other life forms. The evidence is missing to support it.

3) We could in fact be hybrids with extraterrestrials. The evidence is also lacking, but it could be supported if we found extraterrestrials near our planet.

[Tom101229]

The reason why I say this is because Humans are semi-sentient beings. We share sentient features and primitive features (like the animals on this planet). It is supports us still being relative to the animals that dwell here and even evolving from their ancestors. But... the differences are too great for it to just be that case. Something else must have been involved. But of course they too are products of evolution. However, what you must know is solo sentience cannot occur on its own.

[Tom101229]

Solo Sentience cannot occur on its own on our planet because natural selection would never favor it. It takes many careful steps of evolution to bring forth sentience and without natural selection to favor those changes, they simply will not occur and won't occur unless other animals are also becoming sentient.

But humans are the only animals that are semi-sentients. Semi-self-conscious. That is not to say other animals aren't conscious, chimps will try to care for their babies if they died.

[Tom101229]

Many animals do demonstrate grief and sadness like humans. But they don't demonstrate our intellect nor our understanding of the world around us. Most of them have the intellect of a two year old or less. Only the smartest animals have shown to have an intellect higher than a baby, cats, dogs or wolves, foxes, greater apes, certain monkeys, parrots, octopuses, dolphins, but even they aren't even close to our intellect. The smartest dolphin has the intellect of a 7 year old, everything is less.

[solnegrolunaroja]

@Tom101229 You certainly pointed out some very important issues about evolution. I agree with you. Even been very extraordinary in terms of evolution, it's clear we are still very close, biologically, to the rest of the animals of this planet. I had a conversation with a PhD candidate about the fast evolution of some specific features like flying and intelligence. It seems that some characteristics are rapidly selected, they respond to a zero tolerance logic like "work- doesn't work"...

[solnegrolunaroja]

@Tom101229 That's why it's very difficult

to find intermediate fossil forms, this features are under a high evolutionary

press. There is an example of this

conceerning primitive flying insects. There is a fossil

of a three pair winged insect that rapidly

dissapear in the register and is replaced by

the standard scheme we know today in insects.

Perhaps that's why our intelligence did

"jump" in relative terms, it's a logic of "all or nothing"

[prjerry7]

@solnegrolunaroja Evolutions unpredictable. Today, the troubled polar bears have been registered making ofspring with the grizzleys. Our intelligence about 10,000 years ago got to the currenct point, problem solving & tool making seems like the motive for that change, still were the same, though our technology's very different today, its due to the nature of expodential expansion technology has thanks to our problem solving ability.

Evolution eliminates slowly, catastrophese eliminate quickly

[solnegrolunaroja]

@prjerry7 That's an interesting point. Some years ago nobody thought catastrophes had such an important role. Certainly, we must add it to the evolutionary pressure, they are more important than we thought previously! Extinction always rise adaptive radiation, so we could explain "short" term developments like flying. 10 years ago, many scientists thought the evolutionary pressures from ecology would have been enough. By the way, thanks for taking the time to reply such an old post! :)

[pinjimandvakito]

gorgonopsid

[dinox3raptor]

Yes, Inostrancevia is gorgonopside