Bloomberg is closing schools and opening new ones in their places to get rid of the teachers he doesn't like. Sending teachers into EXCESS pool while class sizes are exploding. Now his principals who were once union members like the teachers help in his discrimination in the hiring process. Now he's planning to layoff excessed teachers who he forced into excess in the first place.
@griffin318 tenure does not give job security, it just guarantees due process. It's the beurocracy that backlogs the cases that keeps teachers from being fired.
@Poptartza Due process shouldn't take 8 years....which some of the people in the rubber have been there that long..and if you just look at the percentages of unioned teachers fired versus other professions....it is considerably lower....so unions do prevent bad teachers from getting fired....tenure in non-union states really doesn't do anything, but it in union states, it means our kids are losing out.
Ahh the joys of all the internal conterdictions of the progressive set up of society, comming crashing down on the professionals we need to be most effective if this small wall of civilization is to stand up against the real dark rivers that run deep in the human condition.
the trend for this type of punishment with out charges or a end to the time out in site for the teacher is a growing trend in NYS i know its picking up speed in rochester
World knows there's a lot of US school children who are spoilt & rule the roost. They learn this on the media & on the streets with peers. In education they have only learned 1 of the Rs "RIGHTS" & not "RESPONSIBILITY" . US education system is in the sh...t. You have schools where 60,000 have gone & only 20,000 graduate. It's not teachers fault who have to deliver what the education department sets for them to a majority of children who don't appreciate. US ranked 25 in Maths. A superpower????
Fact is kids act different than at school. At home they master getting around their parents with a sweet apple pie look . To all kids who any aspect to do with school is boring. The teacher's present with them all the time in front of their face unlike some parents & get the good bad & ugly from them. Parents always pull the same b..shit line "He is good boy. It must be you" to teachers. I've an idea. Show these parents what to teach & they take over. They will beg to give them back.
if i were a teacher, i'd have the entire classroom videoed from the second i came to work till after i left, copied to a RAID1 array and sent to archive for ever. oh, and a body mic.
WOW! This is very interesting. My sister teaches in the ATL school district and the best way to curtail some of these kids is to have the Parents get involved in the childs education and if they can't do anything with the teen, there is this program in some states called Child in Need of Supervision. These types of students end up working for McD, BK, Subway and Wal-Mart and anywhere else that doesn't require him/her to THINK!
Suppose a married teacher, and her boyfriend, commit fraud and perjury by becoming a "Domestic Partner" with her boyfriend, who knows that she is married? And they do this because she wants the boyfriend to enjoy medical benefits? Would she be fired right away, or be put in the Rubber Room? Would the boyfriend be arrested and charged with fraud and perjury? Thanks.
I have had a student threaten me. Of course there are bad teachers, but there are plenty of good teachers that get falsely accuse by savage students or vindictive administrators. When you are dealing with such a large entity like the NYCDOE, you have to have a hearing system set up. Tha is what the Rubber Room is suppose to be. It is the DOE's, not the Union's fault that teachers can laguish there for so long. The hearing process is so backlogged that it can take years of waiting.
The person that made allegations against me is married to a man who sells drugs three blocks away from our school. She even transported drugs for him to Fort Lee, NJ, where he rented a car to transport the narcotics. Everyone knew this at my workplace... but she was connected with the administration. I was exonerated of all allegations, but she is still married to the drug dealer.
This is the liberal education system of America. Liberals, and Unions, have taken over and dumbed down our children. They are only their to collect their paychecks and benefits.
Get your syntax and spelling problems fixed and then go TEACH! You might like it. Too bad it is not only our children that have been harmed by this system. I hope you do not have to work under a principal who is an alcoholic that shows up to work with a hang-over and then talks directly into your face at 8:00 a.m., or an assistant principal who goes into your employee file to steal critical personal information to empty your bank account or impersonate you.
Sounds like you are an individual that has some severe problems, both work related and emotional. Most folks with a backbone would have left the situation you mentioned above. Sounds like you are a typical victim who can't defend themselves, so I'm pretty sure you're a liberal teacher (if you are actually a teacher?). Sorry for your bad luck and crappy job. Maybe you should go back to school and see if they have classes for common sense. Maybe then you will get out of that situation!
I actually left the situation and am happy to say it was the best decision ever; however, that does not make me blind to the imperative reality of mediocrity that permeates educational practice and policy. You have backbone(cliché) my fellow mammal, to tag people as "liberals"(cliché again) and diagnose them hastily. Common/good sense is not a common denominator of all societies -- and common is not necessarily "good sense" in the American context. Educate yourself before judging lightly
If you look up, you will see my comment and the one you left attacking me. The simple fact is that most teachers are liberal and the Teacher Unions that represent them donate 96% of their campaign donations to Democratic politicians. Liberal is not a "cliche." It's what has ruined our educational system since the liberal takeover in the 1960's. Facts are not "cliche."
Is this documentary anywhere near completion? I would love to see it, especially since I plan on going into the teaching field soon and with what is happening to the James Madison teachers in Brooklyn.
The doc is coming out this year. The principal editing has been done and the producers are now looking for venues to release it. Now, if you really love teaching, go for it. There are many problems with NYCDOE, but if you try not to have a critical mind... you might be safe. You are not allowed to have an opinion.
I'm one of the rubberroom teachers in the movie...after being exonerrated by the court and the Dept. of Ed. I was sent back to my school. The Principal did everything she could to force my to retire...which I did after my 55th birthday. The rubberroom experience was humiliating...we were all judged guilty until proven innocent...years from now the rubberroom will be abolished and considered cruel and inhuman punishment...
I was a dumb student. I did not understand WHY I was to even be in school until the last semester of the 8th grade. What it was for. I had fallen so far behind in elementary school that I had to catch up with my studies. I was still on the same problems and was stagnant in math. I finally finished with a 10th grade math level in math.
Teachers mean everything. I now work at Wal Mart as a cashier and I still on some days am not able to do my job
OK.....First off, I have heard of this before and I have studied "teacher abuse" specifically by administrators for the past four years. I have been a teacher myself and have since decided to pursue a legal career...with one of my majors being eduational law. And if it takes me the REST of my life, I WILL out these coward administrators and there will be justice.
The truth is that some teachers are unfit or abusive. I bet half of the teachers deserve to be there. If you think about it (minus the tax payer dollars being spent) Its perfect karma... cuz now they have to sit confined all day and deal with each-other. Evidently they are not very polite or innocent if they fight w/ each-other all day. In the big picture we all need to strive for balance in life, if your innocent sue NYC or take a hike, other wise why stick around marinating in the RR's.
Teachers are humans too. If you mess up at your job or someone accuses you of doing wrong, they don't send you to a "rubber room". Some people legitimately do wrong things on purpose, but thats when you fire someone, not force them into a closed off quarters for months on end.
I'm a student myself and everyday I see kids behaving out of line and the teachers do nothing. But what can they do, if they try anything effective they'll be sued for harassment. I wish teachers were more disciplinary, it may actually get a message through to the students. However this doesn't mean the teacher's always innocent. But as one man said, those who ARE guilty should be fired. Students abuse rights and take it out people they disagree with.
People like you are the people who get screwed over by the system. Like you say, I'm sure some of them are guilty as sin, but some of them are likely there on trumped up political charges. Folks like you suffer when teachers abuse their authority. But when you take away any authority a teacher has in the classroom it makes for an impossible educational situation. Everybody loses. You and your classmates, the teachers, everyone.
I'm in the rubber room. Going on ten months I still don't know what the specific charges are. I was put in the rubber room by a principal who was fired for having the worst school in the entire system, John G. Angelet, and is still in the system as an "Assistent Principal on loan" somewhere in East Harlem.
never been there... best thing is to get a job on Wall Street--no, they won't take you if you're a high school drop out but they will if your degree is from Harvard or Yale. George Bush graduated from both places but he didn't get sent to the rubber room. Should have though.
Poor and from the Bronx doesn't have to be a life sentence, though.
I'm an assistant professor at Vandy, but I'd love to teach in the public schools. My BS in Civil Engineering is from Auburn, my MSCE is from Berkeley, and my PhD in Civil Engineering is from Vandy. I do probabilistic methods and optimization under uncertainty
The prospect of being set to a rubber room is scary as hell, though if that happened to me, I suppose I could move over to Wall Street and tell NYCDOE to screw themselves.
I think it's the forced lack of control in the school systems. The kids have gotten out of hand and they have learned that there is NOTHING a teacher can do to truly enforce discipline and order in a classroom full of kids not willing to learn. And with those kids... IMHO I blame their parents.
Some of those people are guilty as sin. They should be fired. Some of those people are there as a result of a political witch hunt or a student who retaliated against a teacher who did something they might not have liked.
I first thought, my God is this going on in PA too. The way it was told was the poor teachers. Give them jobs that do not involve kids or expidite their cases through hearings. The web site said 65 million a year is wasted in salaries for teachers in this rubber room. Imagine what could be done with that money. Truely. If they did not have such a strong union why else would they have they benifit of months to years in a holding area at full pay. This should be egg on someone's face. But WHO???
It's not literally a room made of rubber. I think they call it that because a rubber room is slang for an insane asylum, and thats pretty much what these people are in!
Disappointing. This paints the teachers as victims & seems to put all of the blame on the students.
In my experience in 1st & 2nd grade in the NYC public school system, I was treated like crap by teachers & students simply because my family were immigrants & poor. I'm white, but that didn't stop my 2nd grade teacher from slamming me into a closet because I played with other kids who were deaf, minorities or just girls. I was "out of control".
Sorry, I've got a feeling that isn't the point here though. From my understanding the movie doesn't argue against firing teaching but against putting them in what resembles holding cells for 7 hours a day - on full salary, true - partly without even telling them why.
As the commentator above says: incompetent/abusive teachers should be fired. Full stop. This KGB-esque institution is a waste of resources and in my eyes unconstitutional. "Guilty until proven innocent" at its finest...
I also heard this on NPR; it was spellbinding. How twisted that an educ. system treats its teachers like cons -- giving no reason for removal + failing to adjudicate or bring closure. Sick + the $ paying them could be better spent!
The vid. said edu. is all about the form, all about the test. So Bush's No Child Left Behind = stifle the joy of learning & numb students into oblivion. The drop out rate makes sense; there's nothing there 4 kids.
so thats where our tax money is going lol. seriosly though, it sounds like a scientific experiment. i look forward to the movie, it sounds like one of my favorite books, Lord of The Flys
I would agree with FiveBoPro. Really strange comment made by dolphin812000. Why would the words 'malevolence/rowdy/uncontrollable' even come to one's mind? It's just kids dancing and having fun -- not at all presented in a pejorative manner -- a very good thing indeed.! Dolphin's interpretation of some kids dancing as a 'malevolent' or 'uncontrollable' depiction probably says a lot about dolphin's mindset/viewpoint, but doesn't very accurately describe the beginning of this clip, IMHO.
The student is not used to symbolize "rowdy uncontrollable youth" but that's an interesting interpretation on your part. He says, "this is the home of the crump dancing" cut to shots of NYC. He is introducing the setting of the film.
@dolphin812000 Crump dancing.Limited career market. Teachers main am is to give these kids hope. I tutor students in in English in Macau which is a Special Administrative Republic of China & has the same if not more democracy than the US. The children here can do with a little more confidence but they are respectful to teachers. Their confidence grows with knowledge.They think what to say before opening their trap.
I know someone in the rubber room. There should be a full investigation why so many teachers are out there. They are not all child molesters. Many should not even be there and are being abused by the school system terribly. The school system has to be investigated thoroughly. I've been told stories why some of the teachers are there that shouldn't be and told how kids are being made to make statements against the teachers that aren't true either. There is a serious problem and lying going on.
The thing of it is, if the teachers are abusing kids or cheating or standardized tests, both causes for license revokation, they should be sent home without pay while the case is being adjudicated.
Anything short of those types of allegations is pure horse manure, and teachers should NOT be put in 'detention."
Bravo, Phil. The NYC Schools are run illogically and poorly and many of the principals are bureaucrats who enforce rules simply because they don't have the guts to be fair. Not to say the kids are any picnic, either, but the whole system needs revamping.
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75% of them are there for "inappropriate" touching of students. These teachers are like catholic priests that were caught molesting boys. The church at first just didn't know what to do with them. These teacher molesters need to be FIRED and their teaching credentials REVOKED. They need to go to real prison.
Naw, I DOUBT it. Where'd you get those facts, dude? Prove it. Of course, anyone who is guilty of real crimes should be arrested but I HIGHLY doubt that 75% of them are put in the rubber room for this so-called inappropriate touching. You don't even cite your name, so there goes your credibility.
Ah man, looking at trying to teach those kids...seems like that rubber room would be a purgatory far more pleasant than the hell of that classroom...total waste. On many levels. Great story on This American Life.
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TracieFrediawd904 2 months ago
Bloomberg is closing schools and opening new ones in their places to get rid of the teachers he doesn't like. Sending teachers into EXCESS pool while class sizes are exploding. Now his principals who were once union members like the teachers help in his discrimination in the hiring process. Now he's planning to layoff excessed teachers who he forced into excess in the first place.
Skilbeard 5 months ago
did this come out?
nottinmatterz2day 9 months ago
where can I get this doc?
zuzieqz 1 year ago
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The rubber rooms exist because of the Teachers Unions.... you can't fire them because of the contracts.
Thank you Teachers Unions for destroying the USA!
griffin318 1 year ago
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The rubber rooms exist because of the Teachers Unions.... you can't fire them because of the contracts.
Thank you Teachers Unions for destroying the USA!
griffin318 1 year ago
The rubber rooms exist because of the Teachers Unions.... you can't fire them because of the contracts.
Thank you Teachers Unions and shitty parents for destroying the USA!
griffin318 1 year ago
The rubber rooms exist because of the Teachers Unions.... you can't fire them because of the contracts.
Thank you Teachers Unions and shitty parents for destroying America!
griffin318 1 year ago
@griffin318 tenure does not give job security, it just guarantees due process. It's the beurocracy that backlogs the cases that keeps teachers from being fired.
Poptartza 10 months ago
@Poptartza Due process shouldn't take 8 years....which some of the people in the rubber have been there that long..and if you just look at the percentages of unioned teachers fired versus other professions....it is considerably lower....so unions do prevent bad teachers from getting fired....tenure in non-union states really doesn't do anything, but it in union states, it means our kids are losing out.
agricolaregs 9 months ago
Ahh the joys of all the internal conterdictions of the progressive set up of society, comming crashing down on the professionals we need to be most effective if this small wall of civilization is to stand up against the real dark rivers that run deep in the human condition.
EasyEs 1 year ago
the trend for this type of punishment with out charges or a end to the time out in site for the teacher is a growing trend in NYS i know its picking up speed in rochester
barhauptig 1 year ago
World knows there's a lot of US school children who are spoilt & rule the roost. They learn this on the media & on the streets with peers. In education they have only learned 1 of the Rs "RIGHTS" & not "RESPONSIBILITY" . US education system is in the sh...t. You have schools where 60,000 have gone & only 20,000 graduate. It's not teachers fault who have to deliver what the education department sets for them to a majority of children who don't appreciate. US ranked 25 in Maths. A superpower????
robinhood2be 1 year ago
Fact is kids act different than at school. At home they master getting around their parents with a sweet apple pie look . To all kids who any aspect to do with school is boring. The teacher's present with them all the time in front of their face unlike some parents & get the good bad & ugly from them. Parents always pull the same b..shit line "He is good boy. It must be you" to teachers. I've an idea. Show these parents what to teach & they take over. They will beg to give them back.
robinhood2be 1 year ago
typical teachers....nothing but bloodsuckers
gopconservative78 1 year ago
if i were a teacher, i'd have the entire classroom videoed from the second i came to work till after i left, copied to a RAID1 array and sent to archive for ever. oh, and a body mic.
jbgandhi2 1 year ago
We don't have enough dollars to educate our children, yet we're paying for teachers to sit and do nothing all day.
Marge15270 1 year ago
WOW! This is very interesting. My sister teaches in the ATL school district and the best way to curtail some of these kids is to have the Parents get involved in the childs education and if they can't do anything with the teen, there is this program in some states called Child in Need of Supervision. These types of students end up working for McD, BK, Subway and Wal-Mart and anywhere else that doesn't require him/her to THINK!
thetenthframe 1 year ago
Suppose a married teacher, and her boyfriend, commit fraud and perjury by becoming a "Domestic Partner" with her boyfriend, who knows that she is married? And they do this because she wants the boyfriend to enjoy medical benefits? Would she be fired right away, or be put in the Rubber Room? Would the boyfriend be arrested and charged with fraud and perjury? Thanks.
foodstooge 1 year ago
I have had a student threaten me. Of course there are bad teachers, but there are plenty of good teachers that get falsely accuse by savage students or vindictive administrators. When you are dealing with such a large entity like the NYCDOE, you have to have a hearing system set up. Tha is what the Rubber Room is suppose to be. It is the DOE's, not the Union's fault that teachers can laguish there for so long. The hearing process is so backlogged that it can take years of waiting.
TheRealTimfromPA 2 years ago
The person that made allegations against me is married to a man who sells drugs three blocks away from our school. She even transported drugs for him to Fort Lee, NJ, where he rented a car to transport the narcotics. Everyone knew this at my workplace... but she was connected with the administration. I was exonerated of all allegations, but she is still married to the drug dealer.
39Phoenixrising 2 years ago
This is the liberal education system of America. Liberals, and Unions, have taken over and dumbed down our children. They are only their to collect their paychecks and benefits.
NCMan28025 2 years ago
Get your syntax and spelling problems fixed and then go TEACH! You might like it. Too bad it is not only our children that have been harmed by this system. I hope you do not have to work under a principal who is an alcoholic that shows up to work with a hang-over and then talks directly into your face at 8:00 a.m., or an assistant principal who goes into your employee file to steal critical personal information to empty your bank account or impersonate you.
39Phoenixrising 2 years ago
Sounds like you are an individual that has some severe problems, both work related and emotional. Most folks with a backbone would have left the situation you mentioned above. Sounds like you are a typical victim who can't defend themselves, so I'm pretty sure you're a liberal teacher (if you are actually a teacher?). Sorry for your bad luck and crappy job. Maybe you should go back to school and see if they have classes for common sense. Maybe then you will get out of that situation!
NCMan28025 2 years ago
I actually left the situation and am happy to say it was the best decision ever; however, that does not make me blind to the imperative reality of mediocrity that permeates educational practice and policy. You have backbone(cliché) my fellow mammal, to tag people as "liberals"(cliché again) and diagnose them hastily. Common/good sense is not a common denominator of all societies -- and common is not necessarily "good sense" in the American context. Educate yourself before judging lightly
39Phoenixrising 2 years ago
If you look up, you will see my comment and the one you left attacking me. The simple fact is that most teachers are liberal and the Teacher Unions that represent them donate 96% of their campaign donations to Democratic politicians. Liberal is not a "cliche." It's what has ruined our educational system since the liberal takeover in the 1960's. Facts are not "cliche."
NCMan28025 2 years ago
looks to me like NYC is just another third world liberal ghetto city. It's too late for NYC so who cares what happens there.
ChannelAmsterdam 2 years ago
Is this documentary anywhere near completion? I would love to see it, especially since I plan on going into the teaching field soon and with what is happening to the James Madison teachers in Brooklyn.
idonttan 2 years ago
The doc is coming out this year. The principal editing has been done and the producers are now looking for venues to release it. Now, if you really love teaching, go for it. There are many problems with NYCDOE, but if you try not to have a critical mind... you might be safe. You are not allowed to have an opinion.
39Phoenixrising 2 years ago
I'm one of the rubberroom teachers in the movie...after being exonerrated by the court and the Dept. of Ed. I was sent back to my school. The Principal did everything she could to force my to retire...which I did after my 55th birthday. The rubberroom experience was humiliating...we were all judged guilty until proven innocent...years from now the rubberroom will be abolished and considered cruel and inhuman punishment...
prchmc 2 years ago 2
As another rubberroom teacher, i really hope you're correct. Anyone who is okay with this needs to be fired.
jallenundat 2 years ago
That day will come. They are trying to find a way to eliminate this disgusting practice without looking stupid.
39Phoenixrising 2 years ago
when were these rooms made?
kitkatkitchen 2 years ago
bloomberg = boss tweed
Teabo1129 2 years ago
so the rubber room is only in new york???
megaboxxx 2 years ago
I was a dumb student. I did not understand WHY I was to even be in school until the last semester of the 8th grade. What it was for. I had fallen so far behind in elementary school that I had to catch up with my studies. I was still on the same problems and was stagnant in math. I finally finished with a 10th grade math level in math.
Teachers mean everything. I now work at Wal Mart as a cashier and I still on some days am not able to do my job
IT is IMPORTANT. WAKE UP TEACH!!
karlajordan2012 2 years ago 7
OK.....First off, I have heard of this before and I have studied "teacher abuse" specifically by administrators for the past four years. I have been a teacher myself and have since decided to pursue a legal career...with one of my majors being eduational law. And if it takes me the REST of my life, I WILL out these coward administrators and there will be justice.
coolchick2123 2 years ago 6
The truth is that some teachers are unfit or abusive. I bet half of the teachers deserve to be there. If you think about it (minus the tax payer dollars being spent) Its perfect karma... cuz now they have to sit confined all day and deal with each-other. Evidently they are not very polite or innocent if they fight w/ each-other all day. In the big picture we all need to strive for balance in life, if your innocent sue NYC or take a hike, other wise why stick around marinating in the RR's.
cosmicku 2 years ago
Teachers are humans too. If you mess up at your job or someone accuses you of doing wrong, they don't send you to a "rubber room". Some people legitimately do wrong things on purpose, but thats when you fire someone, not force them into a closed off quarters for months on end.
addiktion13 2 years ago 3
I'm a student myself and everyday I see kids behaving out of line and the teachers do nothing. But what can they do, if they try anything effective they'll be sued for harassment. I wish teachers were more disciplinary, it may actually get a message through to the students. However this doesn't mean the teacher's always innocent. But as one man said, those who ARE guilty should be fired. Students abuse rights and take it out people they disagree with.
glassesfreak 2 years ago
People like you are the people who get screwed over by the system. Like you say, I'm sure some of them are guilty as sin, but some of them are likely there on trumped up political charges. Folks like you suffer when teachers abuse their authority. But when you take away any authority a teacher has in the classroom it makes for an impossible educational situation. Everybody loses. You and your classmates, the teachers, everyone.
mpmcd81 2 years ago
I'm in the rubber room. Going on ten months I still don't know what the specific charges are. I was put in the rubber room by a principal who was fired for having the worst school in the entire system, John G. Angelet, and is still in the system as an "Assistent Principal on loan" somewhere in East Harlem.
riolove58 2 years ago 10
@riolove58 10 months!?!? They put me in on some gossip for 2 months here in Newark. Our principal put SEVEN teachers in there last year.
PhenomAJ 1 year ago
never been there... best thing is to get a job on Wall Street--no, they won't take you if you're a high school drop out but they will if your degree is from Harvard or Yale. George Bush graduated from both places but he didn't get sent to the rubber room. Should have though.
Poor and from the Bronx doesn't have to be a life sentence, though.
haitch76 3 years ago 2
I'm an assistant professor at Vandy, but I'd love to teach in the public schools. My BS in Civil Engineering is from Auburn, my MSCE is from Berkeley, and my PhD in Civil Engineering is from Vandy. I do probabilistic methods and optimization under uncertainty
The prospect of being set to a rubber room is scary as hell, though if that happened to me, I suppose I could move over to Wall Street and tell NYCDOE to screw themselves.
mpmcd81 2 years ago 2
I think it's the forced lack of control in the school systems. The kids have gotten out of hand and they have learned that there is NOTHING a teacher can do to truly enforce discipline and order in a classroom full of kids not willing to learn. And with those kids... IMHO I blame their parents.
rdmedia 3 years ago 2
See folks, that's the message people get from this trailer. It's the "kids" who are somehow "animals" and the teachers are the "victims."
JackSzwergold 3 years ago
Some of those people are guilty as sin. They should be fired. Some of those people are there as a result of a political witch hunt or a student who retaliated against a teacher who did something they might not have liked.
mpmcd81 2 years ago
I first thought, my God is this going on in PA too. The way it was told was the poor teachers. Give them jobs that do not involve kids or expidite their cases through hearings. The web site said 65 million a year is wasted in salaries for teachers in this rubber room. Imagine what could be done with that money. Truely. If they did not have such a strong union why else would they have they benifit of months to years in a holding area at full pay. This should be egg on someone's face. But WHO???
lil73mouse 3 years ago
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39Phoenixrising 2 years ago
Are these problems unique to NYC or are they faced in all big cities?
How do other places handle these situations?
Why rubber?
silverfoxcondor46 3 years ago
It's not literally a room made of rubber. I think they call it that because a rubber room is slang for an insane asylum, and thats pretty much what these people are in!
kriquit 2 years ago
now it makes sense...thanks
silverfoxcondor46 2 years ago
Disappointing. This paints the teachers as victims & seems to put all of the blame on the students.
In my experience in 1st & 2nd grade in the NYC public school system, I was treated like crap by teachers & students simply because my family were immigrants & poor. I'm white, but that didn't stop my 2nd grade teacher from slamming me into a closet because I played with other kids who were deaf, minorities or just girls. I was "out of control".
A lot more teachers deserve to be fired.
JackSzwergold 3 years ago
Sorry, I've got a feeling that isn't the point here though. From my understanding the movie doesn't argue against firing teaching but against putting them in what resembles holding cells for 7 hours a day - on full salary, true - partly without even telling them why.
As the commentator above says: incompetent/abusive teachers should be fired. Full stop. This KGB-esque institution is a waste of resources and in my eyes unconstitutional. "Guilty until proven innocent" at its finest...
crimsonsmirk 3 years ago
How are you going to prove "incompetence" when the reality is principals have unlimited power and do not have to be accountable to anybody.
This is the crux of the problem with education; there is a massive abuse of power, and teachers are powerless to do anything about it.
susannreno 2 years ago 3
I also heard this on NPR; it was spellbinding. How twisted that an educ. system treats its teachers like cons -- giving no reason for removal + failing to adjudicate or bring closure. Sick + the $ paying them could be better spent!
The vid. said edu. is all about the form, all about the test. So Bush's No Child Left Behind = stifle the joy of learning & numb students into oblivion. The drop out rate makes sense; there's nothing there 4 kids.
Hope great changes come from this video!
loveisthevehicle 3 years ago
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dahnbi 3 years ago
so thats where our tax money is going lol. seriosly though, it sounds like a scientific experiment. i look forward to the movie, it sounds like one of my favorite books, Lord of The Flys
justj0sh1ng 3 years ago
I would agree with FiveBoPro. Really strange comment made by dolphin812000. Why would the words 'malevolence/rowdy/uncontrollable' even come to one's mind? It's just kids dancing and having fun -- not at all presented in a pejorative manner -- a very good thing indeed.! Dolphin's interpretation of some kids dancing as a 'malevolent' or 'uncontrollable' depiction probably says a lot about dolphin's mindset/viewpoint, but doesn't very accurately describe the beginning of this clip, IMHO.
tech5400 3 years ago
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dolphin812000 3 years ago
The student is not used to symbolize "rowdy uncontrollable youth" but that's an interesting interpretation on your part. He says, "this is the home of the crump dancing" cut to shots of NYC. He is introducing the setting of the film.
FiveBoPro 3 years ago
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dolphin812000 3 years ago
@dolphin812000 Crump dancing.Limited career market. Teachers main am is to give these kids hope. I tutor students in in English in Macau which is a Special Administrative Republic of China & has the same if not more democracy than the US. The children here can do with a little more confidence but they are respectful to teachers. Their confidence grows with knowledge.They think what to say before opening their trap.
robinhood2be 1 year ago
I know someone in the rubber room. There should be a full investigation why so many teachers are out there. They are not all child molesters. Many should not even be there and are being abused by the school system terribly. The school system has to be investigated thoroughly. I've been told stories why some of the teachers are there that shouldn't be and told how kids are being made to make statements against the teachers that aren't true either. There is a serious problem and lying going on.
barbarac102 3 years ago
The thing of it is, if the teachers are abusing kids or cheating or standardized tests, both causes for license revokation, they should be sent home without pay while the case is being adjudicated.
Anything short of those types of allegations is pure horse manure, and teachers should NOT be put in 'detention."
susannreno 3 years ago
what's the holdup? Sheesh. Release the dang movie already.
dafeltre 3 years ago
Bravo, Phil. The NYC Schools are run illogically and poorly and many of the principals are bureaucrats who enforce rules simply because they don't have the guts to be fair. Not to say the kids are any picnic, either, but the whole system needs revamping.
gerryvisco 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
75% of them are there for "inappropriate" touching of students. These teachers are like catholic priests that were caught molesting boys. The church at first just didn't know what to do with them. These teacher molesters need to be FIRED and their teaching credentials REVOKED. They need to go to real prison.
cointoast 3 years ago
Naw, I DOUBT it. Where'd you get those facts, dude? Prove it. Of course, anyone who is guilty of real crimes should be arrested but I HIGHLY doubt that 75% of them are put in the rubber room for this so-called inappropriate touching. You don't even cite your name, so there goes your credibility.
gerryvisco 3 years ago
I just heard the story on This American Life. When does the movie come out, or is it out already?
freestiec 3 years ago
I agree that the schools have created their own problem. I'm writing a book about my experiences in the schools.
Bill Cosby wasn't really fair when he lashed out at Black parents. There's a lot of Black Principals who are setting a bad example for the kids.
MondoBeno 3 years ago
Ah man, looking at trying to teach those kids...seems like that rubber room would be a purgatory far more pleasant than the hell of that classroom...total waste. On many levels. Great story on This American Life.
fortunatelizzy 4 years ago
I don't think this was a very effective trailer. The interview(s) on This American Life presented the story in a clearer and more sympathetic way.
This just makes all the accused teachers look crazy.
peapodfontaine 4 years ago
You are wrong and obviously threatened by reality. ha ha!
gerryvisco 3 years ago
Ah gerryvisco - I see they have wireless in the rubber room now.
peapodfontaine 3 years ago
Good going with the wireless. Also demand Dom Perignon, personal trainers, and a new big screen HD plasma TV screen with multiple remote controls.
gerryvisco 3 years ago
'WHACK'
HK83IE 4 years ago
wow i was dancing so wack in this documentary..lol..you should see me now...check out my videos..lol
will2krazy 4 years ago
'WHACK' not wack
HK83IE 4 years ago