@doujindance Going through HDMI @ 720P or 1080P will always up convert and get 16:9 (WideScreen). If you try using a HDMI converter on a HighDef 4:3 TV you will get black bars on top. Its not unfair because through component I can do 4:3 (Full Screen). If you choose a HDMI setup you have no choice but 16:9. That is why its better to go the component route or straight RGB.
If you already have a complete set-up as you do, then scart would be the best way to draw video out of a saturn or for any retro system that can output rgb, I totally agree with you. If you don't as in my case s-video is good enough for me. I use scart for my genesis but s-video for all my other systems. S-video is good enough when your on a budget.lol. I had to upgrade after seeing your videos because those faint lines using composite just irked the hell of me.
@Paperclown Yes it does if you have a VGA output, like the sega dreamcast. With the Sega Genesis, SNES, Neo Geo, Sega Saturn, ETC... You will have to still purchase scart cables to draw RGB then get a video transcoder that converts RGB to VGA, then get a SGL 3000. The SGL 3000 is a very good product and better for going into a high def flat screen. I personally like just hooking directly to my CRT with this setup I am doing. It does suck dragging a CRT around. But I like the picture quality.
It's too bad nobody has come up with an upconverter that uses HQX. That way, you *could* have razor-sharp 720/1080. (Most emulators have HQ2X or HQ3X filtering; try it out to see what I mean.)
Man, I bet that I would just die if I could locate an awesome professional RGB display with true 15 kHz RGB inputs and a Super NES...nothing could top that.
@grizzlytomahawk Use the original snes it can already output s-video. You can use a computer monitor that is 15 khz compatible and mod a rgb to vga cable for whatever system you plan to use it with.
@grizzlytomahawk Keep your eyes open for a Commodore 1084S monitor. I rigged my Genesis with an RGB port for mine, and you wouldn't *believe* the picture quality. Also try searching for '15KHz RGB' on eBay.
Damnit, and to think I just bought a Model 2, if I would have known about this, I would have definitely bought a model 1 to avoid using the splitter, oh well I guess I could another down the line..
@SitarKnight You can also get a sega cd hook up and use the stereo out as well to avoid the splitter. But if you are like me and want to hook up more then a sega genesis, then get the splitter.
nice vid, I doubted the hdmi as well and wondered how in the hell are you going to convert some old technology that was created 20 years ago into something that is fairly new to us today.
will the cheaper sega scart to rgb do the same thing and perform as well as the 2100? as its half the price on ebay? also all my game outputs are on the single yellow video cable, so could i plug this into a scart converter then into the box (the cheaper sega scart to rgb box) and then would this all work ok on my 42 inch 100hz plasma in australia? as i noticed there are only 2 pins on the scart cable converter output from the yellow vid cable. are these 2 pins enough to convert to composite?
@voltz15 That thing looks awesome! It maybe better then my setup on a flatscreen. I am going to do more research on it. But having scanlines makes it all the better for old consoles. Thats why I love playing on a component CRT even though it looks great on a LCD.
There is a noticeable of difference between Component and RGB, however Component blows S-Video and Composite out'a the water, especially if you have a good Trinitron and cables that don't suck. I use that CVS converter and it does pretty well, does have some color bleeding on less expensive CRTs. But it does it's job fine for me til I get my Sony PVM RGB monitor. Great video, you owned that fag.
@1337JuiceLord Yeah My low end vega crt has faint lines but when I hook up my scart set-up to my high end vega crt it's crystal clear. Scart rgb to me looks like s-video and component on steroids. It's a steroid fusion of the two. Thank you phonedork for the info and inspiration.
Plus, because those Scart->HDMI's use a cheap Analogue to Digital converter (as you can see with the colours), you introduce frame lag. Might not be so important for casuals, but any decent fighting game or shmup fan will find it very irritating.
Great video, love to see intelligent people shoot down these self proclaimed "Guru's". !! +1
Great video. You just swayed me back to getting a SCART to RGB box such as the csy one mentioned. Only concern is whether it works on my US HDTV for the sega saturn's 240p mode. Have you had any problems on your tv or tvs?
@storino03 You can get the CVS version instead of the CSY 2100. I tested it out and the signal is awesome with the ability to tweek the Red, Green, and Blues. I got it for 49.99 on Ebay! I plan on making another video about it in the sometime future. I use the Saturn all the time with this setup. 240P to 480I functions well with this setup. Also I here some people are having issues on there TVs. I suggest to make sure your TV is 60HZ. That is what the Saturn runs as. I had issues on a 120HZ.
@storino03 Why don't you just go with a s-video set-up with your saturn? I use s-video and it looks really good. A s-video cable for saturn is what 10 bucks and your good to go. The amount of money you have to shell out just for the scart rgb set-up is pretty costly just to achieve marginal results.
@lyclan77 In my case I already own a CSY 2100 and a splitter. Purchasing a RGB Scart cable from Play Asia was only 3.99. So I just hook it in line with my 4 way splitter allowing me to play Sega Genesis, Neo Geo, SNES, and Sega Saturn. By the way it does look better then the S-video setup, so why not go with it.
ok im confused now... is RGB the same as scart??? also i live in USA so im not sure if i can do RGB maybe i am wrong... i have my sega genesis and saturn conected to my hdtv with av cables the basic yellow white red cables... whats the best way for me to upscale or have a better resolution? just wondering... also i can have 480p but thats with psp emulation wich is not bad... but my system is jelous cuz i have all the addons segacd32x lol
@mivecturbo Scart is not RGB. Not all scart systems have RGB. But the easiest way to draw RGB without modding your system is to draw the RGB signal from your RGB compatible game system with a scart cable that plugs into your system then out to a video transcoder like the CSY 2100 which then turns the RGB to Component (Red/Green/Blue). Make sure your flatscreen is 60 hertz! Sega-> Scart cable-> CSY2100->Component Cable-> TV. If you want the stereo sound you need a scart splitter with stereo out
I hear you on the RGB is better but what im asking is what is the difference between my 9 pin that plugs in the back of my Sega and at the other end it has the RCA plugs red white and yellow compared to those who mod the RCA plugs red white and yellow hopefully that helps.
@LoCoSHINOBI the connection I believe you are referring to is composite. Both RGB (red, green, blue) and composite yellow for video can be drawn from the 9 pin port on your genesis. But you need a scart cable to draw the RGB and then use a video transcoder like the CSY 2100 to convert it to component Red, Green, and Blue which is on back of most new TVs today. The difference of RGB is incredible. RGB blows those composite RCA leads away. Especially if you want your Sega on a flat screen LCD.
@LoCoSHINOBI the connection I believe you are referring to is composite. Both RGB (red, green, blue) and composite yellow for video can be drawn from the 9 pin port on your genesis. But you need a scart cable to draw the RGB and then use a video transcoder like the CSY 2100 to convert it to component Red, Green, and Blue which is on back of most new TVs today. The difference of RGB is incredible. RGB blows those composite RCA leads away. Especially if you want your Sega on a flat screen LCD.
@LoCoSHINOBI the connection I believe you are referring to is composite. Both RGB (red, green, blue) and composite yellow for video can be drawn from the 9 pin port on your genesis. But you need a scart cable to draw the RGB and then use a video transcoder like the CSY 2100 to convert it to component Red, Green, and Blue which is on back of most new TVs today. The difference of RGB is incredible. RGB blows those composite RCA leads away. Especially if you want your Sega on a flat screen LCD.
i have a 56in samsung DLP (2004 model) has rgb and hdmi (reference it)
when i play n64 or snes games, they show stripes in the color. they appear even when selecting 4:3 mode. now i plan to mod my n64 to do the rgb mod. will your solution let the big screen show flat colors (without the stripes) don't care about blockyness, pixels are pixels, but those stripes just piss me off.
I'm so glad that European televisions have RGB Scart inputs so there is no need for a converter. But for American people this is the best way to hook up your 16-bit SEGA console. Great video! very informative.
I'm so happy that European televisions have scart inputs so we don't need converters. But for American people this is the best way to hook up your 16-bit SEGA system. Much better than s-video.
How do you think these set ups compare to a proper line doubler like the XRGB-3? Prices have changed a lot in the last year and I was able to pick up a SCART to HDMI for about $45 plus the genesis cord from Europe for $20, I am a little worried that the quality won't be very good.
ok hd dus not meen better picture if you play a dvd useing upconvert it dus not make it beter just enhances the volor and sharpness. also when 720 first was develuped it was not digital it was produced on a analog chip. and the hd model of the sega can do 720 but you have to add some citvutes and solder leades to the video chip. this was the plan of the sega that got left behing and since thay allready hade the chips that just used them.
i know this video is over a year old, but when comparing the pictures, did it cross your mind that maybe the color calibration on the TV or the camera, hell even the compression with the video codec, and then finally the final conversion to Flash video done by you tube, might of effected the images? im not saying the rest of the information is right, but going off of just the images alone once you think about the path they took from his setup to you finally viewing the image, it seems silly.
Little random note for you. RGB and Component are almost completely different. SCART RGB sends Red, Green, Blue, and a Composite SYNC (combined Horizontal and Vertical Sync). While Component sends, Difference from Red, Difference from Blue, and Composite Sync. (Your TV estimates the Green signal) The reason component is so different, is because that is how the video signal on DVDs are encoded.
YO PHONEDORK, I'M REAL HAPPY FOR YOU, AND IMMA LET YOU FINISH, BUT YOUR VIDEO'S SOUND QUALITY IS THE WORST OF ALL TIME! OF ALL TIME!
Sorry man, someone had to say it. I agree with you, and I personally have been fighting tooth and nail to keep analog a viable alternative. I was playing my 360 on a CRT computer monitor at true 720p, and the picture quality was FAR batter than ANY high def tv I've ever seen. My crt HD TV is better than any other HDTV I've ever seen picture quality-wise. ANALOGFTW
@alexreffand Well of course a CRT computer monitor would be better! LCDs, OLEDs, and Plasmas can't come close to the color reproduction of even a 20-year-old CRT.
@alexreffand Thanks for pointing that out! LOL! Actually I was working in Albuquerque 2 years ago when I was recording this. I had a room mate and him and his girlfriend never seemed to work. So when I was recoding this I did not want them to hear me through the walls. It would have been pretty embarrassing if I got caught talking loud into the mic about sega video adapters and shit! LOL!
@alexreffand Then you my friend, are blind. CRT is shit compared to today's technology. First of all, how can your TV have the best quality you've ever seen, when 720p isn't even full HD? I'll admit, Digital and Analog may not have much difference visually, but it's the sound that REALLY sets them apart. Digital sound is way clearer, richer, and can support over 8 audio channels via hdmi. Analog will go out of fashion very soon.
@Ninjadude973 For your information, 1280x720 is indeed "full hd" RESOLUTION is different than QUALITY, though depending on the size of the screen it is a factor. also, fuck yo HDMI nigga. I've been using stereo RCA to connect my xbox to my 7.1 surround sound system. Sounds dumb, right? Well here's the scary part: I've been getting better surround sound than I did with an optical connection. And I don't mean the back plays the same crap as the front, I mean I can hear footsteps behind me.
@yTubeBlowsBigBalls It does not filter it. It softens it much the same way a program like photoshop can soften the skin in order to take out imperfections in the skin. The sega genesis is a pixel based system and the pixels are the blueprints not imperfections. I can do the same thing by dropping down the sharpness to soften the pixels and bump up the contrast and color. This will give the same effect, but it will not be the true resolution of the system. But if you like it better then so be it.
What's your opinion on the XRGB-3? Is it the best converter around for handling analog sources? Do you approve converting SCART-to-VGA as being preferable to Component Video if your TV has both? I heard VGA is the highest form of pure analogue with more bandwidth and color. Is it better than Component for say the Genesis or Saturn?
Can anyone assist me in attach all of my older consoles Saturn,Dream cast,and Genesis.I've purchased SCART switch with GRB port,but how do you use this switch? It's the automatic switch,I've attach Dream cast SCART to TV monitor port,and RGB cable to the ports of the switch,that went to the RGB port to my SONY 55''rear projector TV. The video was N/G I hear audio,but video was N/G. I attach to the other SCART port ,but no video.This is my 1st time using SCART cables.
Well interesting enough, I made a test that someone said it works:
- WIth my Nintendo Wii, I ran my SEGA Genesis Emulator (Component);
- I ran up Sonic 2 as mentioned in 2-player, and it's true: in RGB mode, the game works with interlaced; but as soon as the stage ends and it goes into the results menu, it blacks out; then when it comes back to Act 2, it comes back once again.
Conclusion is indeed, my TV won't take 240p which sucks but I don't want VGA. What do?
@mrchinosofexodar Go with RGB to HDMI if your TV cannot except 240P. Its not as good but a good enough substitute. Or get a older TV or even a CRT TV with component. You can get them cheap now on Craig's List. I did and I love it!
@phonedork I need input..this my 1st time using SCART cables.I'm trying to attach all of my old school console to my HD Sony rear projection TV. I received The SCART automatic switch,and I attached Dream cast SCART cable to the TV monitor port of the switch,and attach RGB cable from the switch to the TV.Then attach the audio cable from the switch to the tv.The video wasn't GOOD,but the audio was no issue?? Do I need to purchase RGB cables,to feed from monitor port of the switch to the TV?? thank
Dude, you freaking owned Ftard. Thanks for the vids cuz it's inspiring me to go the scart rgb route but I'm on an upgrade budget and just wondering if a converter such as the csy 2100 is necessary? Would a scart to component adapter work also or would there be video issues?
Well, the Mega Drive can actually output "480i" ....well, up to 512i. Because your NTSC telly's are so low res, it got stanardised as 480 lines (Most games have a black border here in europe.) Its just one register bit you have to set, and then you have interlace. But i heard only 2 or 3 games use this mode. One is Sonic 2 in 2 player splitscreen.
Ahh, forget about the iScan pro, forgot that the Genny is 240p not 480i. You'll only need it if your TV has problems with 240p signals if if you want to use the Scanline generator. You could use the GBS-8220 board as well.
If the Gen natively outputs to 220 X 224 resolution and the CYP SCART to component outputs to 480p isn't that also upconverting?
I am looking for a non-Emulation solution to connect my SD systems to an HDTV. I know a CRT is the "best" option, but I don't have room for two large TVs in my livingroom. The SCART RGB, from what I can tell removes the terrible artifacting and vertical lines from the output. I found cables for the GEN, SNES, Neo-Geo.
@videogameobsession The sega does output up to 480i. Most games only do 220x224. It will only output what ever your game unit outputs. So if the game outputs 220x224 then that is what you will get going through the component analog inputs (RGB). No matter what input the master unit or game unit produces with a HDMI converter, it will up convert to 1080I DIGITAL. Component is a analog signal. It will draw what ever analog signal it gets and outputs the same. Hope that helps..
@phonedork: Thanks for the reply. I wasn't thinking about the component being analog. I guess that makes more sense.
So the SCART to HDMI device probably has poor A2D internal conversion. I have been talking to pcenginesales on eBay, who sells actually builds and sells SCART RGB cables for the Gen/SMS/NeoGeo/PCEngine, and she bought an SCART to HDMI converter instead of component so I figured it was superior.
Your videos are excellent and really make me want to upgrade as many of my cons...
CONT. consoles as possible. I am new to SCART/RGB and converters though and want to make sure it's worth all of the money/work.
I loved the difference RF to composite gave me (SMS/NES/TG16), then again with composite to S-video(SNES/PSX,SAT/N64), and with S-video to component (PS2,Xbox,GC,Wii). So I guess I'm hoping for similar results with a jump to SCART.
SD looks so poor on my LCD HD. I am tempted to just emulate the older stuff on my Xbox, but I love real hardware.
@videogameobsession Oh trust me this shit can get expensive. But its sooooo awesome to play old video game systems with excellent video quality on a high def TV!!!!
@phonedork Hehe.. Yeah, I know. I have quite a lot tied up in games as it is. I've been collecting since the Colecovision days.
The thing is I'd like to have as many systems work like this as possible. I haven't been able to find any SCART cables for the TG16, 3DO, Jaguar, and I hear the US N64 system doesn't carry a true RGB signal either.
I also wish there was an easier way to get RGB from a NES other than hacking the PPU out of a Playchoice 10 or Vs. board. Sounds a bit complicated to me.
@videogameobsession Not all games come out 480I. Yes most games if not 98% of them are 220x224. Sonic 2 is 480I in 2 player mode. The device I use can go up to 480I through the component output but will also output 220x224 if that is the output coming from the sega.
I use videocomponent cable on my nintendo wii to conect to my full hd plasma tv. Do you think that the image can get any better converting to hdmi or something similar?
@grison7 I really think you're fine for doing component unless you find out you're having an issue with input lag, then I would consider hdmi as it will most likely upscan the image to 720p, 1080p, but don't expect it to make that big of a deal on your image improving.
If you want to make sure the image looks correctly, the majority of Wii games are 480p, so stick with a transcoder that at least upscans to 1080p or the image gets "borked".
I connect my Genesis with HDMI and it doesnt look blurry period. like you show in this video Its very clear, sharp and colorful. so yeah why are those HDMI shots so blurry?
Hey Dork. I was just looking over this video again and trying to figure out aside from 1985's hookup if he had the details set too sharp. With all the testing I've done on different hookup and settings, having a cable which transfers at too fine a detail can make every pixel show too sharp and un-natural. Another thing I noticed were the ghosting effect in his text which again isn't supposed to be part of the video detail, you can also get this when turning sharpness up too much. :P
Please keep in mind that I am only trying to show people who dont know how to get higher video quality on the retro game systems. You geeks out there who do nothing but argue or state things you obviously do not know very well should just shut up! If you know something better then do it. So far I have not seen anything that is better. So keep negative comments to your selves, and let the people who find this video useful put it to use.
I hate trying to help the community and getting my hand slapped by stupid busters who got nothing better to do then to say this setup is not that good or try to point out a mistake and not realize that they are not correct. I have people post many positive comments. So obviously they are happy, and I am happy to help them. Pictures and videos show my proof.
HDMI is way superior to component. You prevent the RGB-to-YPbPr-to-RGB conversion and stay RGB all the time (HDMI is capable of both, digital RGB and digital component). You also prevent the analog-to-digital-to-analog-to-digital conversion when hooking up the component converter to your HDTV as HDMI would equal just 1x analog to digital.
However, the component converter is what I would recommend for an good old CRT SDTV with component in. No doubt about it.
@Christuserloeser You are right that HDMI is superior to component. But not when the genesis cannot take full advantage of its clarity. The genesis produces typically 240P to max 480I which converts better to component. Through HDMI it will be 720P and higher. CRT looks the best through this setup, but dont think it doesnt look great on a flat screen. Look at my second video. Cheers!
@phonedork 1. The CSY2100 component converter is the better solution for a CRT, not the HDMI converter/upscaler. 2. The HDMI converter/upscaler is the better solution for an HDTV.
The CSY2100 keeps the original 240p resolution intact while converting the colors to a different video signal which your TV has to decode back (TVs work with RGB internally). There's also the analog to digital to analog conversion. Again, great for CRTs but a digital RGB signal at 720p via HDMI is preferable for HDTVs.
@Christuserloeser Your statement at saying that the component converter is better for CRT and the HDMI is better for HDTV does not make since! The pictures in comparison on this video show the CSY2100 kicking the HDMI converter's ass with retro hardware. The CSY 2100 decodes the video signal before it inputs the TV. Matching red, green, and blue from RGB to component.
@phonedork Also you must have noticed that my comparisons show my setup on a HDTV VS HDMI on HDTV. So what your saying is nothing. HDMI is better then component technically....but not for converting lower RES retro hardware such as the Sega Genesis, SUPERNES, SMS, and so on. If you like the HDMI setup on your TV then thats ok. I said on the video that it still is a good solution. BUT IT IS NOT BETTER THEN MY SETUP! I really dont think the HDMI solution is better then s-video mods.
@Christuserloeser The whole component converter is better only on the CRT does not make since. Look at the pictures! HDMI looses and there both running on a HDTV. The CSY 2100 decodes the analog red, green, and blue RGB before the TV inputs it. It comes in analog and comes out analog. The HDMI comes in analog and comes out with a blurry digital conversion. This video exploits that running retro hardware through the CSY2100 is better through my setup then HDMI converters.
I don't know if the Pal consoles we have here in England are different but all I have is one cable for my Sega Genesis/mega drive witch outputs RGB through a scart cable without any fancy converters. It also has stereo sound for the mk1 Genesis/mega drive as it has a cable that reaches round and plugs into the headphone jack at the front of the console. It works extremely well on my modern HD TV and the colours are vibrant and the picture sharp.
@phonedork Not so lucky. We have to do a conversion via s video on the N64 (my personal favourite console) Where as you can modify your N64s to easily output RGB. I think it's the same for the SNES as well.
@chinitosoccer1 Yes component can carry digital and analog. But the sega genesis outputs a analog signal. Your tv we receive it in a analog signal. Thats not exactly true about high def tv on old consoles. It looks fantastic on a flat screen like this. Look at my second video. I guarantee that if you ran your game on a AV on a CRT or even S-video on a CRT, this setup will still look WAY better even on a flat screen LCD. HDMI is something alot more then component. My way is just a option.
@phonedork All consumer level component is analog. So no, it doesn't carry both analog or digital. But it doesn't need to or designed to. Where all the HDMI comparison pics in the video from fucktard?
@malducci Gamecube runs with a 480P digital signal through component as well as Nintendo WII. So yes, digital transmission can be inputed through a component cable if the TV can except progressive 480P through component. Both my 42 inch LCD and my Hi Def CRT can output digital through component. But this setup I did is totally analog.
@phonedork Yes, the signal coming from the digital port on the GC is... digital, but it's not component or anything such. There's a small chip in the component cable for the GC that converts the digital signal to *analog component. There is no digital consumer component. It's ALL analog signal for component cables and output.
@GregoryPunzo I dont know, maybe you can find out for me. I will assume it would probably be similar to this set up. Some TV sets seem to use vga, so that maybe a good option.
I would really love to see me SNES in 15 kHz RGB, but the Commodore 1084 monitor I but does not work upon arrival. Would a XRGB upscanner unit be a better option if I can't obtain a real analog RGB display?
I heard the XRGB works good. I imagine it would act the same as the HDMI setup since it will try to up convert. Dont quite know. I am sure it will look good.
Are you referring to a scart to component cable without the adapter that converts the signal? The easiest way is to have a model 1 or CDX and use there existing stereo port to draw sound. Then it would go like this... sega scart cable--> CSY 2100 or other adapter---> then component cable----> TV
I found mine on Ebay. I am sure if you look hard enough you will find one or something similar. But I cannot promise you it will work as good because I have not tried it on anything but the CSY 2100.
You will still need a VIDEO TRANSCODER to change the RGB to component output we use in the states. It would be just European RGB to European RGB through component leads.
Do you see what I mean? The signal has to be decoded. That is why you need the CSY 2100. or something of that nature. Hope this helps.
As soon as that streets of rage song started playing, I was 6 years old again in my living room beating the shit out of it.
MrPrestonWeezer 2 hours ago
Original ratio 4:3. HDMI ratio 16:9. I think unfair.
doujindance 2 weeks ago
@doujindance Going through HDMI @ 720P or 1080P will always up convert and get 16:9 (WideScreen). If you try using a HDMI converter on a HighDef 4:3 TV you will get black bars on top. Its not unfair because through component I can do 4:3 (Full Screen). If you choose a HDMI setup you have no choice but 16:9. That is why its better to go the component route or straight RGB.
phonedork 2 weeks ago
If you already have a complete set-up as you do, then scart would be the best way to draw video out of a saturn or for any retro system that can output rgb, I totally agree with you. If you don't as in my case s-video is good enough for me. I use scart for my genesis but s-video for all my other systems. S-video is good enough when your on a budget.lol. I had to upgrade after seeing your videos because those faint lines using composite just irked the hell of me.
lyclan77 4 weeks ago
the popular choice this last year was the SLG3000 .. it's affordable and allows the user to incorporate scanlines
Paperclown 1 month ago
@Paperclown Yes it does if you have a VGA output, like the sega dreamcast. With the Sega Genesis, SNES, Neo Geo, Sega Saturn, ETC... You will have to still purchase scart cables to draw RGB then get a video transcoder that converts RGB to VGA, then get a SGL 3000. The SGL 3000 is a very good product and better for going into a high def flat screen. I personally like just hooking directly to my CRT with this setup I am doing. It does suck dragging a CRT around. But I like the picture quality.
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It's too bad nobody has come up with an upconverter that uses HQX. That way, you *could* have razor-sharp 720/1080. (Most emulators have HQ2X or HQ3X filtering; try it out to see what I mean.)
DeadlyDad 1 month ago
Man, I bet that I would just die if I could locate an awesome professional RGB display with true 15 kHz RGB inputs and a Super NES...nothing could top that.
grizzlytomahawk 2 months ago
@grizzlytomahawk Use the original snes it can already output s-video. You can use a computer monitor that is 15 khz compatible and mod a rgb to vga cable for whatever system you plan to use it with.
lyclan77 2 months ago
@grizzlytomahawk Keep your eyes open for a Commodore 1084S monitor. I rigged my Genesis with an RGB port for mine, and you wouldn't *believe* the picture quality. Also try searching for '15KHz RGB' on eBay.
DeadlyDad 1 month ago
definately lol
damek666 3 months ago
lol. just get an emulator.
TheEgg185 3 months ago
Damnit, and to think I just bought a Model 2, if I would have known about this, I would have definitely bought a model 1 to avoid using the splitter, oh well I guess I could another down the line..
SitarKnight 3 months ago
@SitarKnight You can also get a sega cd hook up and use the stereo out as well to avoid the splitter. But if you are like me and want to hook up more then a sega genesis, then get the splitter.
phonedork 3 months ago
@phonedork Awesome! Thanks for the info :)
SitarKnight 2 months ago
@SitarKnight Your welcome!!!
phonedork 2 months ago
nice vid, I doubted the hdmi as well and wondered how in the hell are you going to convert some old technology that was created 20 years ago into something that is fairly new to us today.
ranpo677 3 months ago
will the cheaper sega scart to rgb do the same thing and perform as well as the 2100? as its half the price on ebay? also all my game outputs are on the single yellow video cable, so could i plug this into a scart converter then into the box (the cheaper sega scart to rgb box) and then would this all work ok on my 42 inch 100hz plasma in australia? as i noticed there are only 2 pins on the scart cable converter output from the yellow vid cable. are these 2 pins enough to convert to composite?
malvinasbasher 3 months ago
@malvinasbasher Yes!!! It performs just as good. Plus you can open it up and tweak the RGB. It maybe better as well as cheaper!
phonedork 2 months ago
Have you looked up anything regarding the SLG3000 yet? I keep wondering how well it would work with this thing.
voltz15 4 months ago
@voltz15 That thing looks awesome! It maybe better then my setup on a flatscreen. I am going to do more research on it. But having scanlines makes it all the better for old consoles. Thats why I love playing on a component CRT even though it looks great on a LCD.
phonedork 3 months ago
There is a noticeable of difference between Component and RGB, however Component blows S-Video and Composite out'a the water, especially if you have a good Trinitron and cables that don't suck. I use that CVS converter and it does pretty well, does have some color bleeding on less expensive CRTs. But it does it's job fine for me til I get my Sony PVM RGB monitor. Great video, you owned that fag.
1337JuiceLord 4 months ago
@1337JuiceLord Yeah My low end vega crt has faint lines but when I hook up my scart set-up to my high end vega crt it's crystal clear. Scart rgb to me looks like s-video and component on steroids. It's a steroid fusion of the two. Thank you phonedork for the info and inspiration.
lyclan77 2 months ago
@lyclan77 Your welcome!
phonedork 2 months ago
Plus, because those Scart->HDMI's use a cheap Analogue to Digital converter (as you can see with the colours), you introduce frame lag. Might not be so important for casuals, but any decent fighting game or shmup fan will find it very irritating.
Great video, love to see intelligent people shoot down these self proclaimed "Guru's". !! +1
AphexDash 4 months ago
You win by using Rocket Knight Adventures and Sparkster BGM alone...regardless of the fact that your shit blows his away. :)
cutejoshie 4 months ago
Great video. You just swayed me back to getting a SCART to RGB box such as the csy one mentioned. Only concern is whether it works on my US HDTV for the sega saturn's 240p mode. Have you had any problems on your tv or tvs?
storino03 4 months ago
@storino03 You can get the CVS version instead of the CSY 2100. I tested it out and the signal is awesome with the ability to tweek the Red, Green, and Blues. I got it for 49.99 on Ebay! I plan on making another video about it in the sometime future. I use the Saturn all the time with this setup. 240P to 480I functions well with this setup. Also I here some people are having issues on there TVs. I suggest to make sure your TV is 60HZ. That is what the Saturn runs as. I had issues on a 120HZ.
phonedork 4 months ago
@storino03 Why don't you just go with a s-video set-up with your saturn? I use s-video and it looks really good. A s-video cable for saturn is what 10 bucks and your good to go. The amount of money you have to shell out just for the scart rgb set-up is pretty costly just to achieve marginal results.
lyclan77 2 months ago
@lyclan77 In my case I already own a CSY 2100 and a splitter. Purchasing a RGB Scart cable from Play Asia was only 3.99. So I just hook it in line with my 4 way splitter allowing me to play Sega Genesis, Neo Geo, SNES, and Sega Saturn. By the way it does look better then the S-video setup, so why not go with it.
phonedork 1 month ago
ok im confused now... is RGB the same as scart??? also i live in USA so im not sure if i can do RGB maybe i am wrong... i have my sega genesis and saturn conected to my hdtv with av cables the basic yellow white red cables... whats the best way for me to upscale or have a better resolution? just wondering... also i can have 480p but thats with psp emulation wich is not bad... but my system is jelous cuz i have all the addons segacd32x lol
mivecturbo 5 months ago
@mivecturbo Scart is not RGB. Not all scart systems have RGB. But the easiest way to draw RGB without modding your system is to draw the RGB signal from your RGB compatible game system with a scart cable that plugs into your system then out to a video transcoder like the CSY 2100 which then turns the RGB to Component (Red/Green/Blue). Make sure your flatscreen is 60 hertz! Sega-> Scart cable-> CSY2100->Component Cable-> TV. If you want the stereo sound you need a scart splitter with stereo out
phonedork 5 months ago
Respond to this video... Also watch my seond video. It shows my whole setup with the scart splitter.
phonedork 5 months ago
Cool then thanks.
LoCoSHINOBI 5 months ago
I hear you on the RGB is better but what im asking is what is the difference between my 9 pin that plugs in the back of my Sega and at the other end it has the RCA plugs red white and yellow compared to those who mod the RCA plugs red white and yellow hopefully that helps.
LoCoSHINOBI 5 months ago
@LoCoSHINOBI the connection I believe you are referring to is composite. Both RGB (red, green, blue) and composite yellow for video can be drawn from the 9 pin port on your genesis. But you need a scart cable to draw the RGB and then use a video transcoder like the CSY 2100 to convert it to component Red, Green, and Blue which is on back of most new TVs today. The difference of RGB is incredible. RGB blows those composite RCA leads away. Especially if you want your Sega on a flat screen LCD.
phonedork 5 months ago
@LoCoSHINOBI the connection I believe you are referring to is composite. Both RGB (red, green, blue) and composite yellow for video can be drawn from the 9 pin port on your genesis. But you need a scart cable to draw the RGB and then use a video transcoder like the CSY 2100 to convert it to component Red, Green, and Blue which is on back of most new TVs today. The difference of RGB is incredible. RGB blows those composite RCA leads away. Especially if you want your Sega on a flat screen LCD.
phonedork 5 months ago
@LoCoSHINOBI the connection I believe you are referring to is composite. Both RGB (red, green, blue) and composite yellow for video can be drawn from the 9 pin port on your genesis. But you need a scart cable to draw the RGB and then use a video transcoder like the CSY 2100 to convert it to component Red, Green, and Blue which is on back of most new TVs today. The difference of RGB is incredible. RGB blows those composite RCA leads away. Especially if you want your Sega on a flat screen LCD.
phonedork 5 months ago
Phonedork even if i get s video out that 9 pin jack on my sega genesis model 2 is it the same as if it was mod with RCA jacks?
LoCoSHINOBI 5 months ago
@LoCoSHINOBI I am not sure quite what you mean. Are you trying to get RGB or S-video? The RGB route is better.
phonedork 5 months ago
This video made me laugh like a nigga
4shizzlez 6 months ago
quesssstion for phonedork
i have a 56in samsung DLP (2004 model) has rgb and hdmi (reference it)
when i play n64 or snes games, they show stripes in the color. they appear even when selecting 4:3 mode. now i plan to mod my n64 to do the rgb mod. will your solution let the big screen show flat colors (without the stripes) don't care about blockyness, pixels are pixels, but those stripes just piss me off.
GarySpatzScam 6 months ago
I'm so glad that European televisions have RGB Scart inputs so there is no need for a converter. But for American people this is the best way to hook up your 16-bit SEGA console. Great video! very informative.
sonicpelaaja 7 months ago
I'm so happy that European televisions have scart inputs so we don't need converters. But for American people this is the best way to hook up your 16-bit SEGA system. Much better than s-video.
sonicpelaaja 7 months ago
You may know a thing about video but god damn learn to record audio without exploding my ears
boneawl 7 months ago
It's been ages since I've heard anything from 1985productions. I know he whined and closed his account, kinda makes you wonder what happened to him?
voltz15 7 months ago
you can'T even read manning in the rf signal its just a rainbow like illusion
sandreasmaniac 7 months ago
jesus fucking cris does the sound get louder near the end
SNESosT 7 months ago
How do you think these set ups compare to a proper line doubler like the XRGB-3? Prices have changed a lot in the last year and I was able to pick up a SCART to HDMI for about $45 plus the genesis cord from Europe for $20, I am a little worried that the quality won't be very good.
P3pperjam 8 months ago
ok hd dus not meen better picture if you play a dvd useing upconvert it dus not make it beter just enhances the volor and sharpness. also when 720 first was develuped it was not digital it was produced on a analog chip. and the hd model of the sega can do 720 but you have to add some citvutes and solder leades to the video chip. this was the plan of the sega that got left behing and since thay allready hade the chips that just used them.
vorkev1 8 months ago
I admit it. I'm a n00b. My model 1 genesis has just an RF output. How do I get RF to SCART to Y-U-V? Is there an RF to SCART adapter?
america1superbest 8 months ago
i know this video is over a year old, but when comparing the pictures, did it cross your mind that maybe the color calibration on the TV or the camera, hell even the compression with the video codec, and then finally the final conversion to Flash video done by you tube, might of effected the images? im not saying the rest of the information is right, but going off of just the images alone once you think about the path they took from his setup to you finally viewing the image, it seems silly.
codenamegamma 8 months ago
Cool
danfrontman 9 months ago
General Chaos!
thelken 10 months ago
@thelken Hell Yea!!!! One of the best games I ever played!
phonedork 10 months ago
Little random note for you. RGB and Component are almost completely different. SCART RGB sends Red, Green, Blue, and a Composite SYNC (combined Horizontal and Vertical Sync). While Component sends, Difference from Red, Difference from Blue, and Composite Sync. (Your TV estimates the Green signal) The reason component is so different, is because that is how the video signal on DVDs are encoded.
Dant2142 10 months ago
does it work 4 xbox 360
bfbc2fanclub 10 months ago
The video says 320x224, yet the description says 220x224. Which is it?
cheaterdragon1 10 months ago
YO PHONEDORK, I'M REAL HAPPY FOR YOU, AND IMMA LET YOU FINISH, BUT YOUR VIDEO'S SOUND QUALITY IS THE WORST OF ALL TIME! OF ALL TIME!
Sorry man, someone had to say it. I agree with you, and I personally have been fighting tooth and nail to keep analog a viable alternative. I was playing my 360 on a CRT computer monitor at true 720p, and the picture quality was FAR batter than ANY high def tv I've ever seen. My crt HD TV is better than any other HDTV I've ever seen picture quality-wise. ANALOGFTW
alexreffand 11 months ago
@alexreffand Well of course a CRT computer monitor would be better! LCDs, OLEDs, and Plasmas can't come close to the color reproduction of even a 20-year-old CRT.
Dant2142 10 months ago
@alexreffand Thanks for pointing that out! LOL! Actually I was working in Albuquerque 2 years ago when I was recording this. I had a room mate and him and his girlfriend never seemed to work. So when I was recoding this I did not want them to hear me through the walls. It would have been pretty embarrassing if I got caught talking loud into the mic about sega video adapters and shit! LOL!
phonedork 10 months ago
@phonedork lol, totally understandable. It's all cool.
alexreffand 10 months ago
@alexreffand Then you my friend, are blind. CRT is shit compared to today's technology. First of all, how can your TV have the best quality you've ever seen, when 720p isn't even full HD? I'll admit, Digital and Analog may not have much difference visually, but it's the sound that REALLY sets them apart. Digital sound is way clearer, richer, and can support over 8 audio channels via hdmi. Analog will go out of fashion very soon.
Ninjadude973 7 months ago
@Ninjadude973 For your information, 1280x720 is indeed "full hd" RESOLUTION is different than QUALITY, though depending on the size of the screen it is a factor. also, fuck yo HDMI nigga. I've been using stereo RCA to connect my xbox to my 7.1 surround sound system. Sounds dumb, right? Well here's the scary part: I've been getting better surround sound than I did with an optical connection. And I don't mean the back plays the same crap as the front, I mean I can hear footsteps behind me.
alexreffand 7 months ago
Yo, at least if you use HDMI it filters the harsh pixelated colours.
yTubeBlowsBigBalls 11 months ago
@yTubeBlowsBigBalls It does not filter it. It softens it much the same way a program like photoshop can soften the skin in order to take out imperfections in the skin. The sega genesis is a pixel based system and the pixels are the blueprints not imperfections. I can do the same thing by dropping down the sharpness to soften the pixels and bump up the contrast and color. This will give the same effect, but it will not be the true resolution of the system. But if you like it better then so be it.
phonedork 10 months ago 5
Your video is fucking hilarious. XD
What's your opinion on the XRGB-3? Is it the best converter around for handling analog sources? Do you approve converting SCART-to-VGA as being preferable to Component Video if your TV has both? I heard VGA is the highest form of pure analogue with more bandwidth and color. Is it better than Component for say the Genesis or Saturn?
Wallcrawler 11 months ago
Can anyone assist me in attach all of my older consoles Saturn,Dream cast,and Genesis.I've purchased SCART switch with GRB port,but how do you use this switch? It's the automatic switch,I've attach Dream cast SCART to TV monitor port,and RGB cable to the ports of the switch,that went to the RGB port to my SONY 55''rear projector TV. The video was N/G I hear audio,but video was N/G. I attach to the other SCART port ,but no video.This is my 1st time using SCART cables.
TBwellss 11 months ago
Well interesting enough, I made a test that someone said it works:
- WIth my Nintendo Wii, I ran my SEGA Genesis Emulator (Component);
- I ran up Sonic 2 as mentioned in 2-player, and it's true: in RGB mode, the game works with interlaced; but as soon as the stage ends and it goes into the results menu, it blacks out; then when it comes back to Act 2, it comes back once again.
Conclusion is indeed, my TV won't take 240p which sucks but I don't want VGA. What do?
mrchinosofexodar 11 months ago
@mrchinosofexodar Go with RGB to HDMI if your TV cannot except 240P. Its not as good but a good enough substitute. Or get a older TV or even a CRT TV with component. You can get them cheap now on Craig's List. I did and I love it!
phonedork 11 months ago
@phonedork I need input..this my 1st time using SCART cables.I'm trying to attach all of my old school console to my HD Sony rear projection TV. I received The SCART automatic switch,and I attached Dream cast SCART cable to the TV monitor port of the switch,and attach RGB cable from the switch to the TV.Then attach the audio cable from the switch to the tv.The video wasn't GOOD,but the audio was no issue?? Do I need to purchase RGB cables,to feed from monitor port of the switch to the TV?? thank
TBwellss 11 months ago
See, unfortunately, it seems I need my signal to be upconverted...
My Sanyo LCD won't take the signal while the Sanyo CRT will!
mrchinosofexodar 11 months ago
Dude, you freaking owned Ftard. Thanks for the vids cuz it's inspiring me to go the scart rgb route but I'm on an upgrade budget and just wondering if a converter such as the csy 2100 is necessary? Would a scart to component adapter work also or would there be video issues?
lyclan77 1 year ago
Middle finger at the end.. XD I don't know you or that other guy, but you sir fucking powned him. lol
Ostnizdasht206 1 year ago
Streets of Rage music FTW
Ostnizdasht206 1 year ago
Hey
I finally got all my parts to run RGB to my tv like you showed on your videos. I must say thanks! It looks sweet! I appreciate your help!
thanks
Jim
demonseed2 1 year ago
Well, the Mega Drive can actually output "480i" ....well, up to 512i. Because your NTSC telly's are so low res, it got stanardised as 480 lines (Most games have a black border here in europe.) Its just one register bit you have to set, and then you have interlace. But i heard only 2 or 3 games use this mode. One is Sonic 2 in 2 player splitscreen.
AmstradExin 1 year ago
So you're using a 15Khz RGB to Y Pb Pr converter?
zedrein18 1 year ago
I LIKE THE ROCKET KNIGHT MUSIC
RenegadeFury 1 year ago
So if I tried running this on a 40" HD tv would the picture look effed up?
Bloodthr0e 1 year ago
Phonedork -- you should track down an iScan pro line-doubler, it's deinterlacing is probably much better than what your TV does.
You could also run the signal from the iScan to the upcoming SLG3000 if you want scanlines.
SGGG2 1 year ago
@SGGG2
Ahh, forget about the iScan pro, forgot that the Genny is 240p not 480i. You'll only need it if your TV has problems with 240p signals if if you want to use the Scanline generator. You could use the GBS-8220 board as well.
SGGG2 1 year ago
If the Gen natively outputs to 220 X 224 resolution and the CYP SCART to component outputs to 480p isn't that also upconverting?
I am looking for a non-Emulation solution to connect my SD systems to an HDTV. I know a CRT is the "best" option, but I don't have room for two large TVs in my livingroom. The SCART RGB, from what I can tell removes the terrible artifacting and vertical lines from the output. I found cables for the GEN, SNES, Neo-Geo.
videogameobsession 1 year ago
@videogameobsession The sega does output up to 480i. Most games only do 220x224. It will only output what ever your game unit outputs. So if the game outputs 220x224 then that is what you will get going through the component analog inputs (RGB). No matter what input the master unit or game unit produces with a HDMI converter, it will up convert to 1080I DIGITAL. Component is a analog signal. It will draw what ever analog signal it gets and outputs the same. Hope that helps..
phonedork 1 year ago
@phonedork: Thanks for the reply. I wasn't thinking about the component being analog. I guess that makes more sense.
So the SCART to HDMI device probably has poor A2D internal conversion. I have been talking to pcenginesales on eBay, who sells actually builds and sells SCART RGB cables for the Gen/SMS/NeoGeo/PCEngine, and she bought an SCART to HDMI converter instead of component so I figured it was superior.
Your videos are excellent and really make me want to upgrade as many of my cons...
videogameobsession 1 year ago
CONT. consoles as possible. I am new to SCART/RGB and converters though and want to make sure it's worth all of the money/work.
I loved the difference RF to composite gave me (SMS/NES/TG16), then again with composite to S-video(SNES/PSX,SAT/N64), and with S-video to component (PS2,Xbox,GC,Wii). So I guess I'm hoping for similar results with a jump to SCART.
SD looks so poor on my LCD HD. I am tempted to just emulate the older stuff on my Xbox, but I love real hardware.
How about the N64?
videogameobsession 1 year ago
@videogameobsession Oh trust me this shit can get expensive. But its sooooo awesome to play old video game systems with excellent video quality on a high def TV!!!!
phonedork 1 year ago
@phonedork Hehe.. Yeah, I know. I have quite a lot tied up in games as it is. I've been collecting since the Colecovision days.
The thing is I'd like to have as many systems work like this as possible. I haven't been able to find any SCART cables for the TG16, 3DO, Jaguar, and I hear the US N64 system doesn't carry a true RGB signal either.
I also wish there was an easier way to get RGB from a NES other than hacking the PPU out of a Playchoice 10 or Vs. board. Sounds a bit complicated to me.
videogameobsession 1 year ago
@videogameobsession Also the CSY 2100 only outputs to a MAX of 480I, not 480P.
phonedork 1 year ago
@videogameobsession Not all games come out 480I. Yes most games if not 98% of them are 220x224. Sonic 2 is 480I in 2 player mode. The device I use can go up to 480I through the component output but will also output 220x224 if that is the output coming from the sega.
phonedork 1 year ago
I wonder if there's a switch inside the SCART to HDMI converter so it doesn't upconvert and just change the signal.
mattsprinter 1 year ago
@mattsprinter I think you'd have to crack one open and find out yourself.
voltz15 1 year ago
@mattsprinter My guess is no, since HDMI only excepts Hi DEF digital signals.
phonedork 1 year ago
I use videocomponent cable on my nintendo wii to conect to my full hd plasma tv. Do you think that the image can get any better converting to hdmi or something similar?
grison7 1 year ago
@grison7 I really think you're fine for doing component unless you find out you're having an issue with input lag, then I would consider hdmi as it will most likely upscan the image to 720p, 1080p, but don't expect it to make that big of a deal on your image improving.
If you want to make sure the image looks correctly, the majority of Wii games are 480p, so stick with a transcoder that at least upscans to 1080p or the image gets "borked".
voltz15 1 year ago
i thought genesis was 240p?
mirabilis 1 year ago
@mirabilis It is, but HDTV's read it as 480 anyway.
voltz15 1 year ago
@voltz15 my hdtv (philips 32pfl9632) says 240p when i use my snes on it. and when i play some virtual console games on the wii. :)
mirabilis 1 year ago
@mirabilis Well that's a shock.
voltz15 1 year ago
these vids are so badass, they make me want to blow my money on all of this stuff.
xDethax 1 year ago
LOL Man you're funny! The other guy just don't get it!
bertinouellet 1 year ago
Is this what you do on your spare time? Get a life
bobellison123 1 year ago
Thumbs up for Sparkster music.
RenegadeFury 1 year ago
I connect my Genesis with HDMI and it doesnt look blurry period. like you show in this video Its very clear, sharp and colorful. so yeah why are those HDMI shots so blurry?
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robfletcher2 1 year ago
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robfletcher2 1 year ago
The LCD TV will still have to upconvert the signal to display it, so you're really comparing the RGB to HDMI converter's scaler to your TV's scaler.
shaurz 1 year ago
Hey Dork. I was just looking over this video again and trying to figure out aside from 1985's hookup if he had the details set too sharp. With all the testing I've done on different hookup and settings, having a cable which transfers at too fine a detail can make every pixel show too sharp and un-natural. Another thing I noticed were the ghosting effect in his text which again isn't supposed to be part of the video detail, you can also get this when turning sharpness up too much. :P
voltz15 1 year ago
@voltz15 pause at 3:27 and look left, there's where the ghosting clearly shows.
voltz15 1 year ago
Please keep in mind that I am only trying to show people who dont know how to get higher video quality on the retro game systems. You geeks out there who do nothing but argue or state things you obviously do not know very well should just shut up! If you know something better then do it. So far I have not seen anything that is better. So keep negative comments to your selves, and let the people who find this video useful put it to use.
phonedork 1 year ago
I hate trying to help the community and getting my hand slapped by stupid busters who got nothing better to do then to say this setup is not that good or try to point out a mistake and not realize that they are not correct. I have people post many positive comments. So obviously they are happy, and I am happy to help them. Pictures and videos show my proof.
phonedork 1 year ago
HDMI is way superior to component. You prevent the RGB-to-YPbPr-to-RGB conversion and stay RGB all the time (HDMI is capable of both, digital RGB and digital component). You also prevent the analog-to-digital-to-analog-to-digital conversion when hooking up the component converter to your HDTV as HDMI would equal just 1x analog to digital.
However, the component converter is what I would recommend for an good old CRT SDTV with component in. No doubt about it.
Christuserloeser 1 year ago
@Christuserloeser You are right that HDMI is superior to component. But not when the genesis cannot take full advantage of its clarity. The genesis produces typically 240P to max 480I which converts better to component. Through HDMI it will be 720P and higher. CRT looks the best through this setup, but dont think it doesnt look great on a flat screen. Look at my second video. Cheers!
phonedork 1 year ago
@phonedork 1. The CSY2100 component converter is the better solution for a CRT, not the HDMI converter/upscaler. 2. The HDMI converter/upscaler is the better solution for an HDTV.
The CSY2100 keeps the original 240p resolution intact while converting the colors to a different video signal which your TV has to decode back (TVs work with RGB internally). There's also the analog to digital to analog conversion. Again, great for CRTs but a digital RGB signal at 720p via HDMI is preferable for HDTVs.
Christuserloeser 1 year ago
@Christuserloeser Your statement at saying that the component converter is better for CRT and the HDMI is better for HDTV does not make since! The pictures in comparison on this video show the CSY2100 kicking the HDMI converter's ass with retro hardware. The CSY 2100 decodes the video signal before it inputs the TV. Matching red, green, and blue from RGB to component.
phonedork 1 year ago
@phonedork Also you must have noticed that my comparisons show my setup on a HDTV VS HDMI on HDTV. So what your saying is nothing. HDMI is better then component technically....but not for converting lower RES retro hardware such as the Sega Genesis, SUPERNES, SMS, and so on. If you like the HDMI setup on your TV then thats ok. I said on the video that it still is a good solution. BUT IT IS NOT BETTER THEN MY SETUP! I really dont think the HDMI solution is better then s-video mods.
phonedork 1 year ago
@Christuserloeser The whole component converter is better only on the CRT does not make since. Look at the pictures! HDMI looses and there both running on a HDTV. The CSY 2100 decodes the analog red, green, and blue RGB before the TV inputs it. It comes in analog and comes out analog. The HDMI comes in analog and comes out with a blurry digital conversion. This video exploits that running retro hardware through the CSY2100 is better through my setup then HDMI converters.
phonedork 1 year ago
so what cables would i need to buy for a sega genesis 2?
minhxminh 1 year ago
I don't know if the Pal consoles we have here in England are different but all I have is one cable for my Sega Genesis/mega drive witch outputs RGB through a scart cable without any fancy converters. It also has stereo sound for the mk1 Genesis/mega drive as it has a cable that reaches round and plugs into the headphone jack at the front of the console. It works extremely well on my modern HD TV and the colours are vibrant and the picture sharp.
KeyToTime 1 year ago
@KeyToTime You are lucky my friend! America has to do the conversion thing. Cheers!!
phonedork 1 year ago
@phonedork Not so lucky. We have to do a conversion via s video on the N64 (my personal favourite console) Where as you can modify your N64s to easily output RGB. I think it's the same for the SNES as well.
KeyToTime 1 year ago
1985productions obviously went with the RF to compare with the HDMI because S-Video was too bad-ass for him.
RkivUnderground 1 year ago
I thought component can carry both analg and digital signals, HDMI is just a component cable + HD audio in one single cable/conector.
Anyways, old consoles look like crap in HD displays regardless of what cable you use, CRT's are the best for old school gaming
chinitosoccer1 1 year ago
@chinitosoccer1 Yes component can carry digital and analog. But the sega genesis outputs a analog signal. Your tv we receive it in a analog signal. Thats not exactly true about high def tv on old consoles. It looks fantastic on a flat screen like this. Look at my second video. I guarantee that if you ran your game on a AV on a CRT or even S-video on a CRT, this setup will still look WAY better even on a flat screen LCD. HDMI is something alot more then component. My way is just a option.
phonedork 1 year ago
@phonedork All consumer level component is analog. So no, it doesn't carry both analog or digital. But it doesn't need to or designed to. Where all the HDMI comparison pics in the video from fucktard?
malducci 1 year ago
@malducci Gamecube runs with a 480P digital signal through component as well as Nintendo WII. So yes, digital transmission can be inputed through a component cable if the TV can except progressive 480P through component. Both my 42 inch LCD and my Hi Def CRT can output digital through component. But this setup I did is totally analog.
phonedork 1 year ago
@phonedork Yes, the signal coming from the digital port on the GC is... digital, but it's not component or anything such. There's a small chip in the component cable for the GC that converts the digital signal to *analog component. There is no digital consumer component. It's ALL analog signal for component cables and output.
malducci 1 year ago
@malducci Yup your right!
phonedork 1 year ago
for snes wouldn't a vga adapter would be better? they have n64/gamecube/snes vga adapters now
GregoryPunzo 1 year ago
@GregoryPunzo I dont know, maybe you can find out for me. I will assume it would probably be similar to this set up. Some TV sets seem to use vga, so that maybe a good option.
phonedork 1 year ago
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GregoryPunzo 1 year ago
The CDX, sega genesis 2, megadrive 2, and 32X use the same scart cable.
phonedork 2 years ago
I would really love to see me SNES in 15 kHz RGB, but the Commodore 1084 monitor I but does not work upon arrival. Would a XRGB upscanner unit be a better option if I can't obtain a real analog RGB display?
zedrein18 2 years ago
I heard the XRGB works good. I imagine it would act the same as the HDMI setup since it will try to up convert. Dont quite know. I am sure it will look good.
phonedork 2 years ago
YUP, I think if you type it in ebay it brings it up if ya need a clearer picture of what im talking about.
I do see that your way is the easiest, just wondering if this cable would display anything or would it even work at all?
Seems like you know this stuff more in depth than i do, so just needed to get get input
thx
Gladiator214 2 years ago
Are you referring to a scart to component cable without the adapter that converts the signal? The easiest way is to have a model 1 or CDX and use there existing stereo port to draw sound. Then it would go like this... sega scart cable--> CSY 2100 or other adapter---> then component cable----> TV
phonedork 2 years ago
Do you have any idea where I can find the CYS 2100? There were dozens on ebay when I checked last year, but I can't find it anywhere anymore.
Ehal256 2 years ago
I found mine on Ebay. I am sure if you look hard enough you will find one or something similar. But I cannot promise you it will work as good because I have not tried it on anything but the CSY 2100.
phonedork 2 years ago
hey phonedork,
quick question bro, would this setup work, cuz it would use less wires as well:
Step 1 is easy: by SCART cables for sega system.
Step 2: buy a scart Female to Female adapter:
Step 3: buy a SCART to Component cable:
This setup would look like this. (game system > SCART cable > Female to Female adapter > SCART to Component cable > TV)
PLease help
Gladiator214 2 years ago
You will still need a VIDEO TRANSCODER to change the RGB to component output we use in the states. It would be just European RGB to European RGB through component leads.
Do you see what I mean? The signal has to be decoded. That is why you need the CSY 2100. or something of that nature. Hope this helps.
phonedork 2 years ago
I went to play asia and they had they sega saturn scart. I use it with the CYS 2100 and it works great. I dont even use s-video anymore.
phonedork 2 years ago