Democrats Moving to Ditch Pro-Life Amendment to PelosiCare

[brothersusan]

I wish the Babies that have been killed could Kill there Mothers.

It's Obvious, Libtards Are Bobbleheads. The Democrats are the 'COC' party. "The Culture of corruption." Don't be a Hypocrite Horse Face your a Hol too Deb!

[Shargrailar]

@brothersusan I agree! My take is a little different though.

I would have the doctor put the mother under for the "abortion" and labotomize her, keep her fed on iv til the baby is born, then euthanize the mother, some couple that cannot have their own kids would adopt the child.

This would stop repeat abortions by the same murdering mother and give dumb whores who use abortion as birth control some motivation to be responsible.

Abortion is murder of the defenseless.

[reginaDexant]

Democrats are socialist (like WESTERN Europe-Russia and Germany). They love to get rid of the useless eaters-the babies and old people and handicapped. I knew Stupac was a no good Papist Shill, a fake that was going to take the heat off congressional democrats so the most massive intrusion on the Americans Liberty and Private lives could pass. Why didn't he resign BEFORE he voted for the bill? Be ware of those wolves in sheep's clothing that say they are pro-life.

[omgisawboobies69]

@reginaDexant dude, im democat and i hate abortion

[postchevelle]

Then why don't you take your ass in the kitchen, bring me a beer, and keep your f#$%^ng mouth shut while I watch the game. How's that for mysogynistic?

[Piscivorus]

"We believe you just don't play politics with life."

Then why have you supported the wars in the middle east? Fucking liars! The Stupak amendment is stupid. Abortion is a major component of feminine health care, if the government is going to subsidize health care at all it has to subsidize abortions. Otherwise it's patently unfair and unjust.

[barbarianopinion]

Why does the phrase "patently unfair and unjust" even get entered into a conversation about taking money from workers to give to huge government agencies to piece meal out to buy votes for politicians?

What does "fair" have to do with any of this semi-criminal activity by these corrupt goons?

Shouldn't they just pay all of our expenses for us...and start buying us anything we don't feel like buying for ourselves? Let's be fair...give me everything I desire at your expense.

[soliloqy]

That makes no sense. I oppose the wars in the middle east, I oppose the patriot act, and abortion is not a major component of feminine health care. It is an elective procedure unless it comes to the life of the mother and that is a rare scenario. Even then they are cheap because most people who get them don't want it shown on their medical records so they pay cash and that forces prices down. Someone does not have a right to take someone elses money and pay for it.

[ObamasLipsAreMoving]

Debbie Wasserman Schultz knows nothing. Robert Lowry will be taking her place for Florida's US Congressional District 20 in 2010. lowryforcongress(.)com Wasserman-Schultz is finished. Be gone, Debbie, be gone!

[FebMarAprMayDec]

I don't believe that a collection of cells without any conscious thought is the same as a human being. I don't think others have the right to dictate their opinions on this matter to those of us who do not agree with them. A free society means you won't always agree with others, but it protects all of us from abrogation of our rights by others. You'll just have to get over yourselves and recognize you don't have a corner on "The Truth."

[retrorocket2]

If you don't believe I have a right to dictate my opinion then why are we stealing money from hard working people to pay for it. If someone with a gun (government with IRS) takes property (money) from someone under coercion - that is stealing.

This is not about national defense, common welfare, or economics. This is a political power grab for the only high-growth business segment of our economy.

[FebMarAprMayDec]

I was talking about women's reproductive rights. As I responded to you earlier, so much of our wealth is in the hands of a very few. This is not a feudal society where the lords set all the rules. Unfortunately, powerful special interests have influenced govt policy to the point that the historical hardworking "haves" have become the "have nots." This dichotomy is the widest it's been in about 100 years. We elect our government and y ou get to vote. Obviously you don't like the current admin.

[FebMarAprMayDec]

Trickle down economics simply does not work, and neither does allowing interest rates to go through the roof. We used to have laws against usury. It's not just the unemployed who don't have or can't afford insurance, it's the working poor, and now increasingly the middle class. Insurance cos are a growth industry because they get to charge whatever they want yet provide fewer benefits. Every year our benefits get cut. I've reported double-billing and the insurance cos just don't care.

[FebMarAprMayDec]

And not only have benefits been cut over and over again, just don't get sick. THEN you find out how little your insurance really covers. They find all sorts of ways to exclude costs so they don't have to pay. The medical model and how you pay for it needs a major overhaul. The pay-for-service medical model and fear of being sued means doctors order all sorts of tests that are not necessary. The money is not being taken from regular people. In fact we are taxed LESS than we have been for years.

[angelshoulders]

The issue I take with the Healthcare Reform is purely & simply the abortion on demand.I resent paying for the deaths of millions of living unborn human beings, citizens of our great country! I vehemently oppose abortion,yet my taxes are paying for them,seems the govt.has shoved their beliefs down our throats! I feel great compassion for the poor,those on welfare,but in my business I see 2 much abuse.Welfare is a trap.If you make a dime over,the govt takes hundreds of benefits away in 1 swoop.

[retrorocket2]

I remain amazed that liberals refuse to understand that no one is going to get their magic universal health care. There is no money to cover it. The famous Medicare program is broke. Medicaid is liberals screwing the states so the fed won't have to pay for it. It doesn't matter who provides the coverage if there is no money to pay for it. Equal insurance still does not mean equal care. Simply not enough money out there to it all. Libs remain amazingly stupid.

[FebMarAprMayDec]

If you read the health care bill, there is expected to be a net savings after changes to Medicaid and increased taxes on the wealthy. I find it insulting that you'd rather attack people you don't agree with than choose to respectfully disagree. Do you know anyone who doesn't have or can't get health care? If not, you might want to educate yourself about the problem. Even if you're insured, you're probably underinsured. Wait till you have to use your plan for something serious.

[retrorocket2]

OK, so let's read this 2000 page abomination. But first, which health care bill should we read. There are no less than five on the table.

Among other things this legislation would:

I take it from your 'wealthy" comment that you don't work, are young, or simply uninformed. Here is how you become an enemy of the democrats.

1. Serve for 21 years and retire

2. Work two jobs but live on 1 income

3. Save money for 41 years

= Social Democrat "wealthy"

so how stupid is that?

[FebMarAprMayDec]

I would like to ask you again to be respectful of those you disagree with. I am over 50, have an advanced degree, and have worked in professional management positions almost my whole life. My spouse and I have well over a mil in retirement assets, and will be paying for private college costs for two children on our own. Most people would consider us wealthy. The top 3% of the population control most of the wealth in this country. The middle class doesn't catch a break. That's most people.

[retrorocket2]

Not buying it at all. I am over 60. Didn't have time for an advanced degree but have worked up to and including president/CEO. I deal with operational costs for small businesses as a board director.

You personal accomplishments are to be respected but what constitutional provision allows the federal government to steal my property and give it to other without regard for my efforts.

I am the middle class. I don't want to catch a break. I want to work hard and make a break.

[FebMarAprMayDec]

While not at the executive level, I have worked in senior management and in start ups, so I know a few things about how businesses work. All this money was earned by living below our means. The targets for tax increases are well above at least what 97% of people in the US earn. People filing jointly who make over $350K a year will pay more and the tax is graduated. People who work hard should be able to make a living wage. 1 in 4 working people in Houston are uninsured yet 88% of them have jobs.

[USAPatriot1966]

Russkie: Many women will die rather than go thru unwanted pregnancies?

Help me with this please: You are saying, women will kill themselves rather than take on the responsobility. Where do you get that. I think your fishing! PROOVE ME WRONG!

[FebMarAprMayDec]

I'm sorry, but you should read your history. Many women had illegal abortions before it was legal and ended up very sick with infections, perforations of the uterine wall, massive blood loss, etc, and a percentage of those ended up dying because of it. Why is it your business to decide what others do with their own bodies?

[USAPatriot1966]

It is my business where my tax dollars go. I do not want going to abortions. Women want abortions it is up to them to pay for it. Do not expect my tax dollars to pay for it. I am not outlawing abortions. I am just want a restriction to where tax money is spent.

[FebMarAprMayDec]

Well, then I don't want my tax dollars to pay for Viagra or any other reproductive costs for you. Too bad if you're impotent or infertile. Or what if your child has a serious illness that costs millions. What if I don't want to pay for that? See how silly this is? Everybody has their own ideas and priorities. A just and fair society tries to support the basic needs of all their members even though each individual wouldn't necessarily support the same priorities.

[USAPatriot1966]

You said: "A just and fair society tries to support the basic needs of all their members"

May i suggest you go to Cuba, North Korea, Venezualla or some socialist country.

We have been fair and just all these years- AND YOU SLIMEY FILTHY LIBS WANT MORE!!!

Don't Tread on ME!

GO SOMEWHERE ELSE....See if they give a shit about you there!

[FebMarAprMayDec]

It's too bad you can't be civil. I'm not talking about socialism - don't be silly. I said just and you can hardly call those societies just. I am an individual, not a label, and certainly not slimey. It's a matter of priorities. You are still paying for the health care of the ininsured - it's just not so obvious. If people could buy affordable basic care, then there'd be less serious illness and hence lower costs. You are also probably underinsured. Just don't get sick or you'll find out.

[USAPatriot1966]

Give me a reason to be civil. Here is something that should be the highest on your list. LIBERTY!

Never allow the government this much control. Once liberties are lost they are never given back.

Look up eugenics, euthanasia, forced vaccinations. All to be introduced by your government through HELLcare!

[FebMarAprMayDec]

You certainly make a good pt. I completely agree with you about limiting government control. I don't see health care as a conflicting issue in the way you do, though. I'm more concerned about balancing the vast power and wealth of special interests vs people's civil liberties. Stuff like the overreach of Homeland Security, former VP Cheney's refusal to follow FOIA which was set up to keep elected officials accountable, rich corp entities (such as insurance companies) bleeding people dry etc.

[USAPatriot1966]

Sadly capitalism is dead as we walked into corporate fascism. I heard Wells Fargo is now bankrupt, Dubai is unable to pay its bond holders and I figured Obama put off the troop announcement until 1 Dec as everyone is droppping the dollar. This healthcare debate has been a smokescreen so these elites and politicians can steall all the remaining wealth. We will be under complete control with use of the RFID as well.

[FebMarAprMayDec]

These are definitely scary times. I was hoping that the Dems would create some balance by putting needed controls in place, but it seems that too many of them are also controlled by special interest groups. I'm still hoping we can get some balance and that we demand more accountability from our elected officials and business leaders.

I guess I see health care reform as necessary. I know too many people who are in bad shape with the current situation through absolutely no fault of their own.

[USAPatriot1966]

If it was for care I would be for it.

Think they have problems now just wait until the government gets involved. It will destroy the system. The dollar is collapsing. THAT MEANS THERE WILL BE NO MONEY, no economy, no tax base, no jobs, no trade. We are in so much debt now. But you keep hanging in there and believe your politicians and messiah.

[FebMarAprMayDec]

Why do you think the government will destroy the system? What do you mean exactly by the system? What inherently is in this system that you would expect such an outcome? What is it for if not for care?

I'm an athiest, so there ain't no messiah in my life. The dollar may drop lower against other currencies, but it won't collapse. What data do you look at that leads you to that conclusion?

[USAPatriot1966]

I have a blog and the link is in my profile. I wrote the Absolute Truth to American HealthcareReform. I am limited here.

Why do you people think that government is the answer? They will have free reign of the printing presses and uneding legislation. Private business will be unable to comp[ete. What enticement do they have with out some profit?

What countries with nationalized h/c ever contributed? We dominate in R&D

watch?v=muMko_uErXE&feature=re­lated

[FebMarAprMayDec]

Ok, I'll look at your blog. Government does not run the printing presses. Look at Murdoch. It's business interests. Also, why do you think there's no profit to be made? They are raking in obscene amounts of money for the top executives. A little control injected would allow plenty of profit without price gouging. We don't dominate in R&D anymore. We need a better-educated populace that can create wealth and make better decisions based on knowledge. Education is the best protector of freedom.

[USAPatriot1966]

Fiat money is no good the dollar is on its last days. We may get the NAU currency but that will be expensive for the average citizen to own. The RFID will replace fiat currency as it will be taxed, surcharged and the government will know who has what.

Just get prepared if your not already.

[FebMarAprMayDec]

And why do you think the dollar is on its last legs? We are still a very wealthy country and that's not going to change in a short period of time. Do you know that if you have a bed, a dresser, a refrigerator, and a roof over your head you are wealthier than 75% of the world's population? Part of Obama's plan is to get a more historically stable distribution of wealth. Right now 3% of the population has most of the wealth in this country. That's more extreme than it's been since probably 1890s.

[USAPatriot1966]

Obama, Geithner, Bernanke and the bankers on Wall Street have been ripping us off. They are out to crash the dollar and put in place a neo marxist agenda of a one world government. Don't be fooled as to he cares about you and is concerned. He is only looking out for the bankers, the political elite, his thugs and what benefits him.

[FebMarAprMayDec]

OK, a little more reading on your part with a more open mind would tell you that your conspiracy ideas are not supported by facts. Bankers have been greedy, yes, and government laissez-faire has helped them along. I understand that Pres Obama, Geithner, and Bernacke may come under suspicion, but I do think they are fighting for us because they are principled men. There are probably forces with weatlhy backing that are hard to overcome. We need more transparency and more ethical people looking on

[USAPatriot1966]

The only principle people whom I found are Ron Paul, Peter Schiff & Gerald Celente and thay all say we have to stop this madness of printing money, pay off the debt and get out of these wars, stop the promises of redistribution of wealth and get back into total free markets.

[FebMarAprMayDec]

Yes, we should pay off the debt, but if it's not done gradually it will completely stall the economy. Totally free markets mean no controls or government oversight at all. That's what's led to usury and other abuses in our society today. It's BALANCE that's needed. It's easy for people to say what they would do when they aren't actually faced with the decision themselves. Nothing is as simple as you make it sound. I'm not sure what should be done about the wars. I want insider info to decide.

[USAPatriot1966]

Dubai default threat rattles world stocks...

Dollar hits 14-year low against yen, Gold breaks $1,195 ounce, China and the civilization shift.

See a Tsunami coming?

[FebMarAprMayDec]

Actually I don't see anything like a tsunami. Are these economic indicators troubling? Sure. We are not in a position of strength at the moment, but these things go in cycles. The dollar will strengthen again, the price of gold will eventually crash, and China will continue to strengthen economically because of their cheaper labor, huge population entering the middle class, etc. That just means the US has to focus on research and education to stay ahead of the curve. We must invest in ourselves.

[USAPatriot1966]

Our debt is over 72 trillion. We can nit and will not sustain this amount of debt, Our empire is on its last days. Me I am buying more bullets, flour, toilet papper,and rice. Thats my investment.

[FebMarAprMayDec]

We are not an empire and we are not on our last days. We are more likely to be wiped out by global illness or by massive changes in our ability to sustain life on this planet due to massive environmental pressures. And believe me, it will affect the poorest and most low-lying countries first. That debt load is not sustainable, but can be reduced substantially by changes in economic policy.

[USAPatriot1966]

We are a western empire. Our dollar had dominated and our military has been spread throughout the world. I don't give a damn about the environment. Now it is being used to spread the wealth and will be used to dismantle our remaining manufacturing base.

China will find other places to expand and will make demands we can not adhere to. The dollar will crash and our wealth is being stripped away systematically and strategically

[FebMarAprMayDec]

I suppose I could accept your definition of an empire. How can you not care about the environment? It's what keeps us all alive. The ocean was soaking up a lot of carbon, but as it warms it's ability to absorb it is slowing down. New technology can add jobs. I also think the gov't should be considering a carbon tax instead of cap and trade because taxing carbon use would affect other countries as much as us. The idea is that we can reduce our carbon output but we just shift the output to China.

[FebMarAprMayDec]

There's just no evidence for what you are saying. Why would crashing the dollar lead to one world government? How would any of those people benefit from that? And what governments around the world would ever let ours take over? It's simply not possible. I'm also looking at the web sites you are listing. That infowars site is full of made up lies. Why do you think it's true just because someone puts up a site and says so? There is no legtitimate data to back up what this guy is saying.

[USAPatriot1966]

Look at the nations debt? We are printing money and that causes inflation and devalues our dollar. Gold is expected to hit 2,000 an ounce all foreign debt holders are dropping the dollar over the weekend. The markets are being manipulated.

Of course Obama is for redistribution of wealth all suppresive leaders dream of a Utopia. ie, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and he is very well educated in their tyranical ideals.

[FebMarAprMayDec]

Yes, we are undergoing inflationary policies to try to stabilize the economy. It's a tight walk. Gold always goes up in these times. Congrats to those who time it right and make a bundle. If you read the Wall St Journal or BBC or other international publications, it's a very complex system, but not a conspiracy. Distribution of wealth doesn't mean a crazy utopia or rejection of open markets, it just means the spread between the rich, the middle class, and the poor is not this extreme.

[USAPatriot1966]

I wish i had your outlook. I do not read those papers. I look to other news sources. Infowars, federaljack, patrioticresistance, drudgerepot, huffingtonpost. All say different. gues it is how one absorbs or forsees the warning signs. I talk to others and they see a very bleak & dark future.

[FebMarAprMayDec]

I'm not saying there aren't bad things happening, but if you only talk to people who want to see a conspiracy behind every bush, then they will look at the data selectively to "prove" their point. If you all talk to each other, then you just reinforce a "truth" that is simply not real. People say whatever they want and whatever they think and just because they say it they (and others) think that makes it true. Science (and reason) require facts, not wild charges.

[FebMarAprMayDec]

Some of these sites are more legitimate than others. The drugereport is conservative but tends to stick to facts. The Huffington Post is well-respected. But infowars is really nutty. And FOX is not trustworthy either. Climate change IS real and people who claim otherwise are not understanding the science, nor do they understand science's limitations for precise prediction. Patriotic Resistance is nutty too. We are NOT a Christian nation, but a secular one. Do your research, people!

[USAPatriot1966]

Huffinton Post is liberal trash. The drudgereport is also trash as it does not seek the truth. You want to know what need to be in the headlines right now? The TUNGSTEN FOUND IN 400 OZ GOLD BARS. The Chinese and other asian nations ARE PISSED as the US sold gold bars containing tungsten. They are ridding the dollar and all bonds. THE ONLY WAY OUT IS TO CREATE A WAR and control the pipeline via Pakastan.

[FebMarAprMayDec]

There's no truth to these crazy rumors. That's the problem with the internet. Any nut can post anything and anybody else who wants to believe it can pronounce it the truth. China needs us - we are a huge market for them. Find me a legitimate source that supports this wild claim.

[retrorocket2]

Works for me. Life sucks at its very best. Just when did that lifeless conscious bag of cells become a child worth millions? That is what confuses me to the core. There is no ethical standard that supports some magic moment of consciousness that transfers that type of moral value onto a "collection of cells without conscious thought".

This ain't about religion. This is pure logic within a proffered argument for a specific position.

[retrorocket2]

I guess I am hung up on that word illegal. We began birth control, sex education, and morality training in the 50's when I was in school under the misnomer of health education. Yet, teen pregnancy shot up. Women decided, after one decision, that the decision to have unprotected sex with a man they did not want to have a child with was a bad idea. So, they want someone else to be responsible for their lack of responsibility. Is the sequence right?

[FebMarAprMayDec]

I beg to differ. We've done a lousy job of educating youth about sex and sexually transmitted diseases. When I was growing up nothing specific was discussed. A study reported this week found that adults don't discuss condom use until kids are 17, yet by that time 40% have already had sexual intercourse. Research shows that kids who are informed about sex and birth control wait, on the average, at least a year longer than their peers to have sex, and they are much more likely to use protection.

[FebMarAprMayDec]

There were much bigger changes going on in the 60s that swept the country and the world which affected youth's opinion about sex. Unwed mothers, once heavily stigmatized, were sent away to keep it secret. Others would seek out illegal abortions and some of these women & girls died. I'm not at all for single parenting as a life-style choice or for having sex at an early age, and certainly not irresponsible sex ever.

[FebMarAprMayDec]

Insurance companies don't have to cover the cost of contraceptives. How's that for stupid? Even with the excellent plans I always had through work (including several Fortune 100 companies), the cost of birth control was not covered. So, insurance won't pay to protect those who are sexually active, yet they also won't help them if they are in a bind. Which is cheaper - paying for birth control or paying for live births or abortions?

[Dubyaify]

Wanting to give away a country to the poor is suspicious too. I will not imprison my kids in debt that won't even address the issue, but just be spent on some useless project. Where are the jobs. We got false reports on job creation in several states right now. The stimulus is supposed to "keep" unemployment below or at 8%. What is it now? 10.2% and rising. So either we can have everyone on healtcare and jobless, or have jobs. Which do you prefer?

[russkie69]

Free abortions for all women, on demand, without apology! Any man who tries to pronounce on this topic is a bit of a hypocrite, don't you think? Since only women are faced with the biological burden, they should have the final say over what happens inside their own bodies! Wealthy girls will get preferment, waivers, or whatever loophole is left for them. Working class and poor will have to fend for themselves. Whatever it takes. Many women will die rather than go thru unwanted pregnancies!

[Dubyaify]

And did you know that how enrollment will go, more people will pay the tax, develop a condition, then enroll in the government plan. So this bill will make more people become uninsured should they decide to pay the tax rather than enroll. It goes the same for businesses.

[Dubyaify]

Well Smartassawhip, your question makes absolutely no sense, and I have seen that question in exact form from many different people so shut up. An act of terrorism on this country cannot be compared to some people who are not so well off and can't afford health insurance to be taken care of and be comfortable in their poor status. Benjamin Franklin said that you have to make these types of people feel uncomfortable in their situation so they will do something about it, not cradle to grave care.

[russkie69]

Ben Franklin said that? "These types..." If it were comfortable, it wouldn't be poverty! Your logic, just like your quote is specious. People are dying because of such callous attitudes rooted in medieval theology. God will curse the unjust with sickness and poverty! Have Americans grown so cynical? Didn't your buddy Jesus say that you would be judged by how you treat the worst among you - the poor and downtrodden? What happened with all that?

[Smartassawhip]

LET'S SEE: If Al Qaeda killed ~3,000 people in one incident on 9/11 and the Republicans are fighting tooth and nail against healtchare so that 44,000 or so excess Americans will die needlessly EVERY YEAR, then WHO ARE THE WORSE TERRORISTS?

[JoeVotes]

If we focus the Health Care Bill, i.e. PelosiCare, debate on abortion, then we on the Rught will lose. We need to focus on the lose of Freedoms and Liberty in this Bill. Manditory purchasing of insurance or go to jail? A 2.5% tax on AGI if you don;t have it at tax time? excise taxes on wheelchairs and pacemakers? Common, if we play the single issue game(abortion) we lose. Fight across the entire front, not this one narrow battle. That's what they want you to do.

[no123body]

who is this yenta? ohh of course, these people are the biggest bunch of douchebags, by hook or by crook these freaks will do what they want.

[no123body]

yenta

[computerpurple]

No to goverment paying for abortion.

[CarryANationIII]

John Boehner is a torture loving fanatic who takes bribes. The fact this shameless whore pretends to be a Christian is astounding.

[172677]

All you moralists need to realize one very important thing. Abortion is legal.

This bill will have to do away with the anti-abortion message before it passes the Senate. If it is allowed to pass, it will never survive a Constitutional challenge.

You cannot deny anyone medical treatment based on a moral or religious point of view.

As long as the procedure is legal, it MUST be covered - by any gov't sponsored or regulated insurance entity.

So, get over it......

[2010GOP]

172677:

That's easy for you to say that abortion should be covered --- since you're obviously pro-choice

I'm sure though, you'd be outraged & defend Muslims if we made them pay for Govt subsidized sausage & bacon

[172677]

It's not that abortion "should" be covered....it WILL be covered. It is a legal medical procedure.. Pro-anything is beside the point. It's the law.

I'm not sure what point your sorry analogy is supposed to prove but, it makes no sense for sure.

[2010GOP]

172677:

WOW --- you're clueless. Perhaps you should look up the "Hyde Amendment" which has been in place for years -- No Federal Funding for Abortions

Pro-Lifers simply wanted an amendment in the health care bill to reiterate that.

Clueless Much? No wonder the analogy went over your head

[172677]

Perhaps you don't know that the Hyde Amendment is over 35 years old and is under review... Perhaps you don't know that many States use public funds for abortions after being challenged in state Supreme Courts...and more are being challenged. Of course, it's the wingnut states who protest....

It's nobodys business what goes on between and doctor and a patient; not the government, the state or anyone. And, nobody can force a woman to bear a child....period.

[2010GOP]

172677:

It's NOT "just" between a woman & her doctor. There's another person involved who has their own heartbeat, DNA, etc.

-Scott Peterson was charged with a double homicide. Was that unjust?

-Assisted suicide is illegal in 49 states. Should people in Oregon be pissed that the health care bill won't cover it?

-Law enforcement will stop people from committing suicide. Are you outraged since it's "their" body?

[172677]

It certainly is just between a woman and her doctor-.and the decision is ONLY made by the woman. It is HER body and hers alone.

You boobs and your fake morality are idiots.You think that somehow you have the right to tell a woman what she can and cannot do to her body. You're wrong.

Lacy Peterson didn't make the decision..which was hers...her husband murdered her....it wasn't his right to do so.

Abortion is legal, suicide is not.

And, if you have no uterus, you have no say about it

[2010GOP]

172677:

It is not HER body and hers alone. There is a SEPARATE BODY, with it's OWN HEARTBEAT, and OWN DNA

The baby in Lacy Peterson's uterus was 1/2 her husband's

You missed the point. WHY is suicide illegal? Isn't that telling someone what they can do with "their" body

I have a uterus in which 4 healthy, beautiful children were snuggled into for 9 months. It wasn't MY foot that kicked my stomach --- It wasn't MY heartbeat I heard in my stomach

[172677]

I'm happy for your uterus..

You are confusing conception - the joining of male and female sperm and egg bringing both DNA together...with that fertilized egg actually being kept inutero until birth. The best thing to do is not let them come together in the first place....

However, once the fertilized egg is attached to the woman's uterus, it is part of HER body only..and only SHE can make decision concerning her body.

This isn't an argument, it's the law.

[MrEmesis]

172677: You said "if you have no uterus, you have no say about it."

I say "Until women can reproduce asexually, the man plays an active role in the development of the child or the termination of it's birth."

I sure noticed that after a baby is born, the woman certainly wants a pay check from the sperm donor. Relinquish the male from any responsibility regarding the child and I'll dismiss your sexist statement.

[172677]

Well, after the child is born...at the womans behest, then the "sperm donor" must help to support it. Best way to avoid that is keep it in your pants, bub.

The only "active role" a man plays in the process is sex...that's it. He has no say about what happens afterward. He is not involved physically in any way.

And, you can bet if men gave birth....we wouldn't be having this discussion.

[MrEmesis]

172677: Wrong:The womans behest relies on the courts. Just because it's called labor doesn't mean you have to do anything other than spread your legs or prop your ass in the air to get pregnant and you certainly don't have to have a masters degree.

Right: I do agree, men should learn to avoid some women as many are gold diggers and whores. I thank God I'm a man every time I see a pregnant woman.

Right: If men gave birth, we wouldn't be having this discussion. We'd be having a different one.

[172677]

Here's this.

If you don't want to be called "Daddy"....wrap it or keep it zipped. You are as responsible as a woman for an unwanted pregnancy.....laws of nature then kick in and you are no longer physically involved.

You are, however, just as responsible for support as the woman is....it was a mutual agreement to play vatican roulette.

[retrorocket2]

"if you have no uterus, you have no say..."

If it is her body, and her choice, why didn't she exercise that choice during VOLUNTARY - CONSENSUAL SEX as opposed to asking the kid up the block to pay for it. I have no problem with people exercising their right to their body. Just don't make me fiscally liable for their poor decisions.

[172677]

Why didn't "the kid up the block" use a condum?

Last I looked, it took 2 to make a baby, moron.

If you don't want to be called Daddy...wrap that rascal or abstain..

[retrorocket2]

Legal: So is smoking yet we ban that practice by law in many places

Legal doesn't mean we have to fund it.

I like your logic though. Owning a gun is legal so I am asking for federal funds to buy my new Barrett .50 caliber rifle.

Frankly, I don't care if all liberals have abortions. I won't force my morality on you if you reciprocate (that means don't force your beliefs on me).

[172677]

Nobody is forcing beliefs on you...and this isn't about beliefs.

It's about medical care....

And, a government cannot pick and chose who to serve... If it's a government sponsored health plan. ALL citizens are entitle to the same level of care. You cannot exclude people or procedures for any reason....moral or otherwise.

If you don't want an abortion, don't have one..your choice.

If you don't have a uterus, your opinion doesn't count anyway.

[2010GOP]

172677:

You can't exclude people or procedures for any reason, moral or otherwise?

Really? How nice of us to care so deeply for the depressed flat-chested girl, she's been depressed for a while --- we must fund her new titties. Depression is a medical condition, right?

[172677]

Currently, most insurance plans don't pay for elective cosmetic surgery...I wouldn't expect that to change.

It's not about cosmetic surgery...it's about a woman's body and the decisions she can make about the medical procedures she and her doctor chose.

It's not a Constitutionally protect "moral" issue....it's Constitutionally protected privacy...and the law...and keeping government and churches and others out of all wombs except their own.

[2010GOP]

172677: WRONG

There are many "elective" cosmetic surgeries that insurance companies pay for. Breast reduction, lap-band, breast enhancement for "both" breasts after a lump is removed from one, scars, etc. ---- those are "elective"; they have nothing to do with health

And....some insurance companies will not pay for an abortion either

You say keep Govt out of abortions? How is that possible when Govt's money is from "me", thus "I" have a say --- yet you're claiming I do not

[172677]

Hey, dumass..reconstruction surgery after cancer is NOT elective....

Or did you miss the part about "elective" not being paid. No insurance company is going to pay for a boob job, liposuction, chin implants, etc......

Once you turn your money over to the Govt through your taxes, you have no more say about it.....except at the ballot box.

You moral or religious issues no longer applies. The U.S. isn't a Theocracy. If you want that, move to Iran.

[2010GOP]

172677:

You're wrong. Reconstruction after cancer "is" elective. No one says you have to do it to save your life

Once I turn my money over to Govt. That's right...MY money, thus "I" can have an opinion on what it should or should not pay for.

John Jay, 1st Chief Justice, U.S. Supreme Court

"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select & prefer Christians for their rulers"

[172677]

Breast reconstuction is a very common surgical procedure performed during mastectomy and/or lumectomy. Insurance must cover it....have you never heard of the WHCRA passed in 1998???

I doubt it.

As for John Jay, he was a respected jurist and very active in his lifetime. Fortunately, our Constitution protects us from others who hold similar views that christianity and christians are the end-all, be-all..

Jefferson and others were very wise. Kept religion out of our freedom documents.

[2010GOP]

172677:

WHCRA mandates coverage for certain types of reconstruction, symmetrical requirement, etc. -- many women get a full-fledged "boob-job". As I said, lap-bands, scars, reductions, etc. are also covered by some

Just as "some" insurers pay for abortions -- some do not, and no, it's not "illegal" to refuse abortion coverage

Jefferson kept religion out? That's odd. He mandated we have only "Christian" chaplains in the military, supported no business on the Sabbath, etc.

[172677]

It IS illegal to deny abortion if government sponsored insurance is used. AND, it's up to EACH insurance company to make that decision for it's own company.

As for Jefferson, you would need to read his letters in order to gain insight to how he, Adams, Franklin and others thought about religion in general and christianity specifically.

And the BS about the military is silly. Read the book "Thomas Jefferson on Politics and Government"..

You are preaching to a scholar here my friend.,.

[2010GOP]

172677:

You talk in complete circles. There are Ins companies, today, who deny coverage for abortions.

Therefore, since the American people are funding a policy with "our" money, we have a right to "our" opinion -- just like an ins company.

Earlier, you said insurance had to pay for it -- because it was "legal". I just proved to you it does not

[172677]

What I SAID, moron, is that private insurance companies can do what they wish, deny what they wish, cover or not cover who they wish...that is their prerogative.

Insurance paid or subsidized by the government cannot pick and choose. It is PUBLIC money, paid for by taxpayers, including those seeking abortion, and they cannot pick and choose.

Are you deliberately ignoring the difference between private and public insurance to make your argument..or are you not able to grasp the difference

[2010GOP]

172677:

What you don't seem to understand, moron, is that funding for the Govt plan comes from "We The People" & yet you're against the "people" having an opinion on abortion coverage

It's not "picking & choosing" -- Blanket Policy -- No Abortions covered. Originally, you said it must be covered because abortions are legal. I proved that False

I obviously do understand the difference between private & public. If someone wants abortion coverage, they can buy their own "private" plan

[172677]

No, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND. Any facility, program, plan that accepts Federal funds cannot discriminate in any way.....and that includes abortion.

As long as it is a legal procedure, GOVERNMENT insurance MUST cover it....

Good grief....you are thick. I have a feeling you have no spacial perception at all and are totally unable to grasp the finer points of anything.

You know what you read, but are unable to THINK on the subject as a whole.

I'm done here........

[2010GOP]

172677: YOU ARE AN IDIOT

It is you who needs to develop thinking skills

I ask again: If a 20 year old is "depressed" due to her flat-chest, should "we the people" buy her some new titties??

Depression is a medical condition isn't it?

New titties are "legal", aren't they?

Wouldn't we be discriminating?

[2010GOP]

172677:

"Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other" - John Adams

"We have staked the future of American civilization upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God" - James Madison

"I am a Christian, in the only sense he wished any one to be; sincerely attached to his doctrines, in preference to all others" - Thomas Jefferson

[172677]

History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.-Jefferson

Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.-Jefferson.

"The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or a Mohammedan nation." -- Treaty of Tripoli-made law by John Adams 1797

[2010GOP]

172677: Once again, you have it wrong

The vast majority of our founders were Protestant; disagreeing w/the Church of England --- Difference in fundamental beliefs just as they hold today

Protestants believe salvation is not obtained by being forced to attend church & partake in rituals -- it comes from the heart

And your quotes from Jefferson about Christianity not being part of common-law, etc -- that is precisely what I'm explaining. There are no laws "forcing" you to attend church

[2010GOP]

Treaty of Tripoli

It's important not to chop the sentence, omit a semi-colon & ignore key words

"As the Govt of the U.S. is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the law, religion or tranquility of Musselmen"

Note the word "Govt" of the U.S. & read all of it

"The ecclesiastical establishments of Europe which serve to support tyrannical Govts are not the Christian religion but abuses & corruptions of it" - Noah Webster

[retrorocket2]

I don't have a uterus but it is my wallet your dainty little pointed fingers are reaching into to steal my property.

Money is property. I earned it through exchange of effort. Now the Marxist democrat (capitals are right) want to take what I earn, save, and build to pay for someone's else behavior.

If you don't want a daddy, then only date men with vasectomies. Problem solved. Again, a decision exercised to preclude a "problem" bag of irrelevant cells. Is that what your mother thought?

[172677]

I suppose you could say the same thing about the morbidly obese or those who indulge in reckless behavior like smoking, drunk driving, erratic driving, mountain climbing, scuba diving, etc.

No complaints about that, I suppose.

If you don't want to be called a Daddy, abstain or wrap it up, bub.

Once it's a done deal, you are in it for life....

[daeclipse03]

doesn't surprise you does it Mr. Boehner? We haven't learned that we can't trust the democrats and this administration by now?? I was thinking wouldn't it have been easier to keep the language in there and use those Democrats that are against abortion to just kill this bill completely?!? The fights not over we have alot more work ahead of us.

[ObamaEqualsStupid]

Another tuna crotched jew liberal working to kill babies.

[WolfSyndrome]

liberals are tuna fucking jews?

[ObamaEqualsStupid]

sounds about right.

[MrClipper23]

You claim the moral high ground on the abortion issue, but you fall from it when you make racist comments like this. You select certain issues to act morally righteous about, and then sin in every area you don't speak publicly about.

You suck.

[jfkjrlover]

Working to keep the choice available and accessible to women who want an abortion, actually.

[ObamaEqualsStupid]

It's a non issue with me, but anything that can delay this bill and push it closer to election time is going to make it harder to pass.

[jfkjrlover]

Which you want only because you're selfish and want to protect your profits, the uninsured be damned. So sad that soulless, self-centered people like you exist in such high numbers.

[ObamaEqualsStupid]

I have a novel idea for the uninsured, get a fucking job. Loser.

[jfkjrlover]

Or you could grow a conscience and start caring about the less fortunate.

[ObamaEqualsStupid]

I sleep easy knowing that every time I send my hundreds of thousands of dollars to the gvt in taxes every year, some of that trickles down to low life losers like you. =)

[FebMarAprMayDec]

Can you people all be civilized? Being rude is not a substitute for a discussion.

It's not just the unemployed who don't have insurance, it's lots and lots of people both middle-class and poor who can't afford or don't have coverage for various reasons, including preexisting conditions. And with the economy the way it is, thousands of the unemployed would be working if they could find a job. 1 in 4 people in Houston are uninsured yet 88% of them are working. It's easy to blame, but not nice.

[ObamaEqualsStupid]

blah blah blah you moron, get a life.

[FebMarAprMayDec]

And how brave would you be if you actually had to talk to me face to face? What are you so angry about? You must feel powerless in your life. People who insult others do it because they feel powerless or aren't smart enough to present a reasoned opinion. Have you considered counseling? I feel sorry for you.

[ObamaEqualsStupid]

Oh, you're the guy who wants to beat people up over the internet! Nice . . .now you've convicted my theory that you are a total sociopath! You should google 'how to accept criticism like an adult'. Want to meet face to face, hop in your queer hybrid and haul it on out to NJ! Let me know when you arrive!

[FebMarAprMayDec]

This from the guy who is calling everyone names and insults, including ethnic slurs? You miss the point of what I'm saying. It's not me who's hiding behind anonymity. It's you. I asked you to be civil and you are calling me names. I'd be happy to debate differences of opinion with someone who can be rational and stick to ideas rather than resort to childish name-calling. Please look up the word "projection," and while you're at it, you should look up the meaning of "sociopath" too.

[ObamaEqualsStupid]

Now you're a PhD, amongst, I'm sure, a mass of other fine achievements in your noble life. Get a life bro, like I said, blah blah blah...that's all I hear from you. Love the 138 posts you put up though, I wonder how many times you write lovey dovey e-mails to all of the girls who have dumped your pathetic ass? It's a pattern, I see it in your kind all of the time. Take my advice and google 'how to handle criticism like an adult'. For you, I want you to do it for you. Change, yes you can!

[FebMarAprMayDec]

Again, look up the word "projection." I don't feel criticized by you because that would require taking you seriously. You obviously feel criticized by me. All your anger is really interesting. Who are you really mad at? Yourself? Your parents? Your station in life? I wonder what happened to you in your life. If you are uneducated and feel resentful toward people who work(ed) hard to learn, that's really sad.

And by the way, I'm sorry to disabuse you of the notion, but I'm actually a woman.

[ObamaEqualsStupid]

I'm just wondering what sort of time horizon you're working with on making something out of your life. Sooner, hopefully, rather than later, the revelation that your douchebag irony and witty clever banter is what has gotten you to where you are in life...reflect....

Your attempt to converse in a manner similar to Howard Stern interviewing a rebellious eighteen year old stripper is amusing, although reeking of a pathetic, something out of a community college psychology prerequisite course.

[ObamaEqualsStupid]

I am going to take a juvenile stab here though. Are you pushing for abortion legislation to somehow justify your slutty behavior as a youngster and the babies that you murdered?

Just checking..... =)

[FebMarAprMayDec]

You can look up mysogynistic too.

I feel sorry for you. You have no idea who you are talking to, and you just look foolish. There's a name for the people who exhibit the kind of behavior you do on the internet - trolls. It's been fun but these silly rants of yours have gotten tiresome and boring. Sayonara.

[ObamaEqualsStupid]

Ah, the classic mechanism of placation over reality. My rants aren't silly....they are true, and you let your brain trivialize disturbing actualities. You can label the sadness of your life as my 'silly rants', just line them up with your 'silly abortions' and Obama's 'silly deficit' and 'silly Conservatives'

....now go listen to some new age tunes, burn some incense, flip through your new yoga magazine.....Anything to get your mind off of the ugly reality you have made your life.

[retrorocket2]

I am only trying to keep my paycheck. Don't have profits in my house only income and expenses. Now how is it that liberals only think companies pay taxes?

Besides those nasty evil profits are used to:

**Pay stockholders (teachers, union members, cab drivers, state employees)

** Create new jobs for teachers, union members, etc)

** Pay taxes to marxists in congress of all denominations

** Deposit in banks to support new mortgages

** Deposit in treasury bills/bond

[JASONZx6R]

God obama, pelosi and the rest of thoes scum are such lying peices of garbage. Evrything the GOP said was going to happen..the very things the lib dems denouced as "evil repub lies" is happening. im pro choice and i dont want this in the bill. I dont want nor will EVER want any part of this facist bill. Stop obama before its too late.

[SarahHirz]

Liberals lie because when they tell the truth, not that many people want what they are peddling. Why Americans can't seem to figure this out amazes me.

I look forward to working to unseat this member in next year's election.

[Auggie56]

It must be true, liberal women are ugly.

[JohnRhysMusician]

This woman really is a tough case. I don't know how you can be so stupid and ignorant.

[MrMindfucker]

A drunk man once told that their was only three kinds of jobs left in this nation.

A) Fucker's!

B)Server's!

C)Gabber's!

The rest are Subservient Global Slaves!

[MrMindfucker]

Check out what they do to white farmer's in south africa!

YT video's!

I guess the democrat's have offspring that are GAY,Having sex changes and multilating thier testicles with hammer's and vices. Other than this,I can't understand why anyone would want to pay for killing babies using a national goverment backed health care plan?????

[azcardzfan2005]

welcome to the soviet states of America. libtarded fuckheads!!

[noiwudnttrip]

Voting for that amendment was a good strategy. The thing still needs to die in the Senate though. Even if it was still intact after it emerged from committee, I certainly wouldn't want to put any hope in the pro-abortion folks in the House deciding not to pass it on their so-called principles. They will be content with growing the federal bureaucracy and fight for federal funding of abortion another day.

[wheetypeedy]

MURDER by Bureaucracy

[TABaker99]

Makes you wonder the question asked?

The missing commentary.

A Congressman needs at least a minute.

A Democrat will spens at least 2 Minutes

17 Seconds Can't Keep a Republicans Attention. They have to shorten this to have it make sense to them.

[Txman1996]

No, we didn't need three hours, a goon, and a teleprompter to get the point.

[jjrglobal]

Well you called that one Mr Boehner.

[lukeedwardsimmons]

Pro-death members, more like it. She isn't for choice, she wants as many abortions as possible whenever, wherever they can!

[azcardzfan2005]

that's right. want to bring death culture to America. liberalism is a mental disorder!

[rungy07]

Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail ?

I'll take jail...and make it a life sentence please...

[USoSilly2Me]

Preferably a room with a window. At least it's Federal Prison. We can still have access to the Internet.