Theocratic War Strategy in action: JWs caught lying on film

[JustForFunFX]

My Father is a JW and my Mother. However I am not in fact I am Muslim. This book you speak of is guidance for Elders and how to act. Duh. No secret however it is not for every member of their congregation. It is for someone who is appointed as an Elder. Duh. All organizations have books that are given to people of certain status and not to others. Obviously my friend you are trying to create something of which is not there. Very sad really. Move on man with your life and get one. lol

[43vandre]

hey man your video is very interesting , i beg you to please send me by e-mail the link so that i can donwload in pdf format or something this custody packet , cause i think you opened my eyes to some thing i never imagined before ! PLEASE MAN I WILL BE WAITING I BEG YOU SEND ME THE LINK , THANKYOU VERYMUCH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[loveslittletoes]

Hello This video was at a hearing when I was fighting for custody of my 3 daughters who were being told to shun me. I obtained the video from the court. This is a common practice. The clerk will record it for you for a small fee and it's yours to keep. I had a friend post it because an attorney in another case needed it to show Theocratic War Strategy (perjury) in action at a hearing the next week. It is not staged.

[TheTense54]

Wow, that's just sad! People will lie about darn near anything.

[annointedEliakim]

Liars !

[jwawesome1]

pathetic. lol

[annointedEliakim]

This is very dangerous area and ihope all eldersare becoming aware that there eternal existance the very judgement that they have for so long directed at the unsespecting public all over the world is now bearing witness against them.God is no fool

[mrbarthoss]

I am always intrigued by posters that actually defend The Watchtower (I see that some do not identify themselves as Witnesses, which is dubious).

It reminds me of a quote: "People that eat sausage are people that have never visited a sausage factory," meaning:The more you learn about The Watchtower, the less likely you are to "join."

For those of us that lived through a JW lifestyle, we know it (mostly) comes down to adopting a manner of hatred, stupidity and misinformation.

[FatDenimDan]

Wow. That "Preparing for Chile Custody Cases" brochure you seem to have has to be the worst MS Paint job I've ever seen in my entire life. This vid = tremendous, monumental fail.

[mrbarthoss]

@FatDenimDan What, specifically, do you consider to be a failure about this video, aside from the critique of the poster's attempt at artwork?

I ask, because it appears that your comment is simply another "arrow from the fog" by a Watchtower apologist attacking someone that is attempting to bring hypocrisy of a religion to a public forum. There are thousands of people each day that view these videos that are seeking (genuine) truth.

[ironjohnlad]

its exposing that machinations of the WTBS. Its a brainwashing cult with many good people have been trapped. Its the brainwashing that does it ! Its amazing, and not just confined to the WTBTS !

[bababybwoo]

objection: leading the witness

[bababybwoo]

my computer says page not found when I go to read the elder book. I'm see that a lot. Unless my computer's broken, I think someone has erased all links.

[drmel46]

To those who think he's picking on the JW's, evidently you've never been affected by them. Trust me, I have, and they are a very evil and greedy organization! And I love this video!

[lishusc]

I think that this is so silly, why are you attacking these people? Why not does this on all religons, what is it about JWs that you people are doing all this? I'm sorry to tell you but there are lots of associations, churches and organiations have things that are not foe every one.

[utukkuxul]

"Why do you pick on us, why not attack others, why do you do this," yawn. I've answered these questions a thousand times.

If you can watch this video and go "Duh, I don't get the point," then you're not smart enough to watch my videos.

[lishusc]

Hate to tell you Dum-Dum you are not picking on "US" because I am not a JW, I just think that you are a waste of life to go attacking somones religion. Everyone believes in something and people have been trying to disprove Christianity since the beginning of time yet people still believe. As for not being smart enough, Imbecile, I am college educated. =0)

[utukkuxul]

You're "college educated" and yet you fail at simple capitalization, spelling, and sentence structure?

Who's the bigger "waste of life," someone who made some videos in their spare time trying to save people from a cult, or the retard running around finding those videos so that they can bitch and cry like a little girl about them?

But good luck with your non-wasteful, insightful webcam videos about your weight loss attempts. Good luck shedding those pounds you fat Black bitch.

[Jeulax]

"But good luck with your non-wasteful, insightful webcam videos about your weight loss attempts. Good luck shedding those pounds"

lmao!! That much I can agree with, it is quite funny, however, " Black bitch."

You don't think that's racist ? It doesn't matter what color a person is, she's a B!

[Jeulax]

Funny you should feel that way since Jehovah's witnesses are notorious for juding other religions. One would think they could handle it coming back at them. You get back what you put out in life.

[SisterChristianJW]

"and people have been trying to disprove Christianity since the beginning of time"..... thank God for the Spanish Inquisition, the Conquistadors, and missionaries who proved to the heathens that Christianity was real by killing and torturing anyone who rejected it.

[Jeulax]

Here's a little advice on the weight loss. Follow the Bible's rules on not being a glutton, drink more water instead of soft drinks, eat less meats, try one meat meal a day, don't over do it. Keep away from sweets. Try going to the gym more often , don't spend all your time in the kh; it's not like you haven't heard it all before. THE END IS COMING, YOU BETTER OBEY US, REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED TO THOSE WHO DISOBEYED MOSES!

[sunshineuk1965]

@lishusc You seem to have some misunderstandings about Jehovah's Witnesses. Feel free to contact me via my FORUM just click on the link on my channel.

[Templehatchet]

I want to barf. I have experienced the same double talk over the years. They tell you to not take their word but to do your own research and when you ask the hard questions that they cant answer. Instead evade the facts and change the subject or give a convaluded response that makes no sense. What a scam.

[livingtgender]

There are many points of view to do with Jehovah's Witnesses and that can also be said of many other faiths. Any person that reads the bible will see the part in the bible God gives all people free will to live there lives and have there own views of all the world faiths that also means Jehovah's Witnesses too. In the end God is the judge.

[livingtgender]

Thank you for your reply and your points of view. As for as the book: ''Jehovah's Witnesses Proclaimers Of God's Kingdom'' not being for the public that is not the case any JW would be more then happy to get a copy of the proclaimers book. To the point the public library near to me has a copy of that book and many other wtbts books for the public to read and use. Thank you for taking the time out of your day to talk with me.

[livingtgender]

The elders book: ''Pay attention to yourselves and to all the flock'' is not a secret from non elder Jw's, there is a photo of the elders book in the book: ''Jehovah's Witnesses Proclaimers of God's kingdom'' on page: 232. If it truly was a secret it would not be in this book: ''Jehovah's Witnesses Proclaimers of God's kingdom'' which all Jw's and the public can get a copy of.

[utukkuxul]

And that's why they lie about it and don't allow the regulars to read it, because it's not secret at all, right?

[propagandatechniques]

They do not give the proclaimers book to the public. It is ordered through the congregation for congregation members only.

The books contents are concealed from the nominal members. The information cannot be obtained from the CD Rom library.

I knew of one case where an elder had the book and he didn't even know how to read. It creates a granfalloon - an imagined community among the elders. That, coupled with "closed door" discussions in elder meetings and you have a secret society.

[propagandatechniques]

When I say book, I'm referring to the elder handbook.

[propagandatechniques]

Yes, I'm on a witchhunt. I served for 15 years in this cult and didn't know about this book for the first 12 years. I was not what some would call a fringe member. I was "reaching out" more than anybody in my hall. I had that book ripped out of my hands when I was leafing through it at an elder's home. WTH do you call that?

[spitwats]

Hahaha it's funny cuz every1 is all confused n don't know what's true, u know every single religion in da world have secret publications n techniques to attract people none of them let the followers think 4 themself, but so far JWs R da friendliest n da ones dat make more sense, what's true n what's not? Well we will find out in the end but I rather believe in something than nothing, u know have an idea where my life is going.

[propagandatechniques]

Lol! It's ok they're a secret society under freemason architecture as long as they're nice to me, lol! Did it ever occur to you they are programmed to recruit you into their cult/? Of course they're nice to you! They aren't mean until you're under their spell completely. Then the psychological thumbscrews begin getting turned. It's always funny to hear the opinions of fringe members or ones raised around it. They have no idea what really goes on once you're fully recruited.

[poconoporker]

If you can see me now, I have a very big smile. =)

[LuciousVBogeymanProd]

small correction. The guy in propogandatechniques said he was a MINISTERIAL SERVANT not an Elder. Great vid apostabud!!

[utukkuxul]

There is already an annotation on the video that notes this.

[WWZenaDo]

"It's like your checkbook" - ONLY!! A person's 'checkbook' doesn't [SECRETLY] address issues that will impact (allegedly) their 'everlasting' life, standing within the congregation and before the bible's 'god'; and have a direct effect on their emotional, mental, and supposedly their 'spiritual' health and well-being...

Gotta love that two-faced double standard!!

[clnmyjts]

I wouldn`t mind making contact with X J.W. as long as they haven`t picked up another religion to believe in...LOL

One thing the J.W. taught me was if you pull together alot can get done.

We really are in a battle for human right and freedom as a people in America and around the world.

If X J.W. would look at it in this way and pull together instead of crying all the time their world can change for the better.

The org. D.F. people just to keep them apart and fighting with life..

[Badlydrawnwitness]

Damn that was so funny. I love your videos keep em coming.

[Iamsawitness]

lying, deceiving and withholding the truth are all signs of being part of Gods visible organization. Surely, this false prophet cult of lying old men IS the only true religion..

[middleman777]

Great video bro! That's 5 stars for you.

Blessings...

[sldeyo]

this video was so good I got to go and get a biscuit to sop up the juice. lol!

sub,fave and share.

[utukkuxul]

Thanks!

[BELTED007]

Great Video!

[utukkuxul]

Thank you!

[ah0386]

I came across a copy of this Elder's handbook, that belonged to my father. I was a child at the time, so I lost interest real quick.

Of course my parents found out and I was told to never look at this book book again, since it was above my "spiritual understanding".

Now looking back, it's almost laughable and sad. That "mature" adults, some how can manipulate the flock and not realize the future implications of what their families or friends would think of them when they find out the truth.

[ah0386]

Bravo! Big fucking handclap!!!!

Several times I've seen this happen. One example included a personal matter that I felt the need to address the elders (I look back in disgust & wonder why?).

Unbeknownst to me, the matter was sent to Brooklyn and everything was secretive with 2 elders having opposite views on the subject!

I couldn't read the letter from Brooklyn or have any of the notes from the meeting, only the decision that was made.

[propagandatechniques]

Can you make a video explaining in detail what actually happened? If you get the story out there, people will have enough well rounded information to make a determination if this cult is for them or not.

[ah0386]

Good point! I do have enough material to start a series of videos of my past experiences dealing with this cult.

I need to do my part.

[utukkuxul]

I look forward to seeing them.

[amathenia123]

I experienced this first hand -- at the St. Louis Historian museum the film "Knocking" was shown along with a panel discussion that contained the STL City Overseer as a panelist.

A member of the audience was very distraught that his daughter had become a Jehovah's Witness and how this had caused family grief. This man tearfully asked the Overseer why she couldn't even send her mother a card on Mother's day.

The overseer lied and said celebrating Mother's day is a conscience matter.

[propagandatechniques]

Isn't that something? You're supposed to believe that in spite of the fact this person advanced to overseer status within the congregation, he doesn't know that celebrating Mother's Day is a no-no?

*** jv chap. 14 p. 199 They Are No Part of the World ***

Jehovahs Witnesses have good times with their families and friends. But they do not participate in holidays and celebrations that are linked with pagan gods (as is true of such holidays as Easter, New Years Day, May Day, and Mothers Day).

[utukkuxul]

How the hell is Mother's Day linked to Pagan holidays? It's a Hallmark holiday, not a Pagan holiday, so far as I know. Which means to me, I still find it stupid, personally, just a way for greeting card companies to drain some more cash, but there's a difference between foolish and immoral. I find it silly, but not "pagan" or immoral.

[propagandatechniques]

I'm sure these bastards will find a way to tie it in to paganism, but yet it's okay to splatter a watchtower icon, the very same image worn by Artemis of Ephesus on top of her head all across their magazines. The Mother's Day thing is just their way of isolating the unsuspecting victims even further from society as a whole. I cannot stand these bastards. If I am not the number one enemy of these sons of bitches, that, of course being the handlers over this operation, I really don't know who is.

[utukkuxul]

Well they pull out a Bible quote to explain why they use the Watchtower, so it would be difficult to convince them of its Pagan origins. But I've asked in other videos why they're allowed to exchange wedding rings, which are Pagan as well, and was only told that the ban on Pagan stuff is only applicable to celebrations and not objects.

[utukkuxul]

I asked why they banned wearing crosses, then, and got some sort of doubletalk bullshit response. I also asked for a WT source that stated the ban didn't applied only to celebrations and did not apply to objects. They requested "time to research it" and after a few weeks I realized they were never going to respond at all.

[utukkuxul]

Of course I also made my Blood Transfusion Challenge for a JW who said that less people died from transfusions than from not getting them. He said he would respond to my challenge "in a few days" and it's now been a couple months. I even wrote him again and reminded him and he said he'd get back to me. So far not a single JW has even attempted my challenge.

[propagandatechniques]

The answer I always got was that the wedding ring wasn't used specifically in worship. Then I was told the wheel was invented by a pagan. Should we ban the use of the wheel? I never did find verification if the wheel inventor was really pagan or not. The WTS itself was invented by a pagan - Russell.

Believe it or not, I've had several JWs get staggered when seeing the Artemis image. That's why I have it as my avatar now. I was subscribing to the JWs videos and it would appear on their channel.

[utukkuxul]

Well chances are since 99% of the population was Pagan in prehistorical times it was a Pagan of some type. The difference is that wedding rings are used both as a tradition and ritualistically - wheels are not. There is no tradition concerning wheels, but wedding rings are traditional - a Pagan tradition - and also ritualistic. It would be difficult to deny that that was a fact.

Another point I make is playing cards and dice have their origins in divination, yet they have no ban on them.

[ICheruBI]

That was done well, thanks for that :) oh and thanks to propagandatechniques too

[propagandatechniques]

You're welcome! =)

[tedduncumbe]

Very interesting. In my congregation (Kendal Parkside, England), we (the rank-and-file) were well aware of secret elder books (some of my mates were sons of elders).

We just didn't think that was strange in any way, which is in itself so strange!

You can see the guys toward the end of the vid realising as the conversation goes on how dodgy this practice is perceived as being in the real world.

Thing is, being seen as strange by 'worldly' folk just strengthens their faith.

[utukkuxul]

On one hand I wouldn't think it was strange, but then I ask myself: what do they need to know that normal members shouldn't know? If it's how to government, shepherd, etc, why shouldn't they be able to read it? We can read law books, right? One JW claimed that the book is nothing more than Watchtower articles collected in one place - if so, then why not allow normal members to read it?

[tedduncumbe]

Absolutely. It frightens me to think back at how we just accepted the most insane shit. The WT brainwashing robs you of your most basic right: not only freedom of speech but freedom of thought!

[utukkuxul]

According to the WT, just THINKING they are wrong on a subject makes you an apostate. Even if you never mention you doubt or disagreement to others, just holding a contrary opinion in your own mind makes you an apostate.

So yes, as you said, they rob you completely of freedom of thought.

[clnmyjts]

Ha..ha..I never knew about this book...

There are Elder meeting at the end of most every district covention..

I have heard elder`s wife`s complain about the meetings going on for 3 or 4 hours.

In my 15 years in the org.NOT once did a elder ever discuse with me what the meetings where about..

I even ask a few times..and got the answer; congergation needs..

Most of my friends in the org..where elders or a ministerial servant

So, it a suprise to me that I didn`t know of this book...

[utukkuxul]

What's funny is I was friends with this guy who used to be a JW, was raised in it like I was. He didn't carry on any sort of agenda against them, just didn't believe what they did anymore. Anyway, when I first found out that certain things were going on, he told me "The elders always did act like they were hiding something."

He was a member back when the allegations of hidden images in the books was first going around.

[clnmyjts]

alleged of hidden images in the books was first going around...

When I seen the video about the hidden images I had to dig out my book and look at it..

The one that shocked me was the hand of the angel in their pubication of the book; Revelation and it grand climax at hand, ( the hand looked evil )

I have that book and you can tell this was not a accident that it was printed looking evil..I wonder who in the art department at bethel was behind this stuff..

[clnmyjts]

P.S. If you know anything about printing on a business scale It would not be possible for something like that to have been a accident..

The print setter would of looked the print image over with a magnifying glass before it`s release to the printing press.

Plus, the pressman should be watching the press pictures for flaws in the printing.

No doubt someone is behind this little trick..

What`s funny is they encourage looking at the pic. in the mag. for comments. at the W.T. study.

[utukkuxul]

Thanks!

[exjw44288]

Good video, but the first guy that PropagandaTechniques spoke to wasn't an eldr. He was a ministerial servant.

[utukkuxul]

Okay, my mistake. If nothing else it only emphasises the point though: he was asked point blank if there were any materials he didn't have access to and he said no.

[propagandatechniques]

The difference between the elder and ministerial servant is that the ministerial servant sincerely did not seem to realize he was lying. He was going through severe cognitive dissonance which caused me to really feel sorry for him. The elder on the other hand deserves to be whipped for his blatant lies. I think even the ministerial servant saw momentarily that the elder was lying but then quickly dismissed it. That's going to haunt the ministerial servant until the day he exits.

[utukkuxul]

It seems possible to me that the first person genuinely may not have known about the book at all. Despite the claim that it's "not secret," a lot of ex-JWs, even some speaking here, have said they never heard of it, and the elder assumed you had been a "former elder," which strongly implies they're the only ones that have seen it.

Because it's like a checkbook... LOL

[propagandatechniques]

Lol! Yes, good points. But think about this - the ministerial servant first said "not that I know of" in part 1 when asked about any books. Then in part 3 he said, "I know they have certain books..." so he wasn't being forthright either. Plus, he's guilty by association anyway. Watch where I annotated parts one and three so you'll see what I mean.

[utukkuxul]

Good annotations, I'm adding similar ones here.

[TimKilgore]

This is probably the most powerful JW video on youtube right now. First off as you know Christians will say "Liars will not inherit God's Kingdom" AND the scripture "By their fruits you will know them". I don't think there's any real excuse when seeing this or any JW that will be able to say that they will not lie when something paints their organization in a negative light.

[utukkuxul]

Thanks for the compliment, it means a lot to me.

As for any "real" excuse, I agree, but I also assure you 99% of JWs who watch this will make excuses all the same. They will say "maybe that overseer had never seen that book before!" or "those two elders don't consider that book a secret so they misunderstood the question!" or somesuch nonsense.

[TimKilgore]

The first excuse I'm sure has been used, except for the fact that the custody case is actually advertised in the Kingdom Ministry. It has been several times. Even rank and file know about the book. The elder would not have reacted the way he did if he didn't consider the book a secret. I'm sure you're right that those excuses will be attempted, but they don't hold water.

[utukkuxul]

hahah most of their excuses don't hold water except in their own minds. I wasn't aware of how common knowledge the book was though.

[propagandatechniques]

The word "privy" means secret. I'm going to annotate the original to point that out to the viewers.

Also, could you please make your annotations longer in length by dragging the right annotation device to like ten or fifteen seconds so the annotations can be read easier? Thanks. Best video I've seen exposing the evil intelligence behind this cult yet. If I ever doubt the stand I'm taking against this bunch, I will reflect on how they put words in children of broken homes' mouths. (not boring)

[utukkuxul]

Yes I'll make the annotations longer.

"Not boring," yeah also "I learn the value of an education." They encourage people NOT to get an education, then they have kids saying they're taught they SHOULD get one! All to help the JW parent gain custody of a child!

[utukkuxul]

hahahaha hit-n-run JW. Someone 1 starred the video without commenting. i.e. a JW saw it, was offended, couldn't think of a defense, 1 starred it and ran like hell.

[AntiJehovahsWitness]

LOL.....That's exactly what i reckon happens with some of my vids.....Not that i don't think some of them are worthy of 1 star, but i think in most cases they are JWs.

I have snail paced internet until Tuesday, but what i have seen of this video so far, is worthy of 5 stars!

[utukkuxul]

The thing is, it happened within like an hour of me putting it up. Which leads me to believe one of my subscribers is a JW. I can't imagine some random JW just happened across it that quickly.

[AntiJehovahsWitness]

I can't be sure, but i think i have some imposter JWs subbed to me also, i wouldn't put it past them.

[utukkuxul]

What's funny is they are everything they accuse us of. Doing shit like subbing someone just to 1 star their videos, assuming my theory is correct, proves that.

[propagandatechniques]

This video showed me things I was not aware of. I was particularly dismayed at how the WTS forces the children in custody cases to parrot what they tell the children to say rather than urge the child to be honest. These are skilled lawyers and psychologists behind the writing of these materials and they know how to manipulate people and the entire system! I'm in total disbelief that these bastards can get away with this. Thank you for sending me this. I'm on the JW 1 star hitlist too by the way.

[propagandatechniques]

I agree with you Tim. I don't think I've ever seen more incriminating evidence on youtube where they are very clearly guilty of manipulating young childrens' minds, especially in the custody case thing. They shamelessly force the children to parrot their lead, rather than urging the kids to be honest - all at a time when the child is going through severe pressure from his broken family - most of which is because of the Watchtower Society! I am appalled. These evil men deserve severe punishment.

[utukkuxul]

Tim posted this on some forums which claimed the video is "sensationalizing" things. I fail to see where I did that at all. In the case of the overseer, he lied - plain and simple. With the elder you spoke to, they could argue that he didn't see the book as "secret," but if that's the case, why did he assume you were a former elder and ask how you knew about its existence? And he point blank lied when you asked if there were any books that elders had access to that rank and file members do not.

[TimKilgore]

I wouldn't worry too much about it, everyone thinks they know what's best for current JWs as ex-JWs. I'm thinking alot of them are just mad they didn't think of it first.

[utukkuxul]

I wouldn't say I'm "worried" so to speak. But I think they misrepresented my intentions. I didn't imply the book was sinister in any way. (Well, I did with the first one, but it kind of is.) I was simply showing the steps they use in TWS, and how they are willing to lie to cover up things. Whether or not the book is "sinister" is really irrelevant to the point that they're liars.

[TimKilgore]

I essentially said the same, if they have a better way to show Theocratic Warfare in action then they need to make a video showing such.

[utukkuxul]

If I was really petty I'd make a new video with the book, with dark, eerie horror music in the background and stuff lol

[propagandatechniques]

LMAO!

[propagandatechniques]

Well, that custody book is downright evil. It basically brain-wrings small children into portraying the WTS as this glorious larger than life entity. If most kids were asked by a lawyer "Are the meetings boring?" The kids would say "yes". They would tell the lawyers, the judge, the jury and everyone to stay away.

We should come up with a custody book for non-JW parents trying to get their kids out of the cult. "Are the meetings boring?" "Yes, and the elders touch me and make me shiver."

[utukkuxul]

The part that kills me is, there is a video for youth they put out that says not to go to college, it's a waste, and to become a pioneer instead. Yet they have the kid say that the meetings/JWs teach him the value of a good education to get a good job.

Next custody case, we should make sure the non-JW parent has a copy of that video to show the court what they actually encourage their children to do - avoid college and become their world-traveling snake-oil salesmen!

[propagandatechniques]

Hahahaha! Have you ever heard of friendly fire? Some ex-JWs are exes because they simply learned the real truth. Others are exes because they simply couldn't get along with the JWs. Now they're shunned just like the ones who escaped and can't get along with most exes either.

[TimKilgore]

Yeah, all the ex-JWs seem to have different agendas. I swear if there was one cause we could all agree on, it would be curtains for the Organization. Luckily there's no way to unite us.

[utukkuxul]

Well some ex-JWs got out pretty much unscathed, and they see it like any other religion. They don't believe it anymore but they don't see any big deal about it. I felt the same way for many years until I started looking back at what they taught, investigating and researching their teachings and so on.

[utukkuxul]

By the way, the person on that forum who asked where they could get the full text of the "child custody" book should have paid attention, a link to the full text of both books is in the description.

[clnmyjts]

I think all the Ex witnesses could come together if only they would except one fact..

That fact would be we all agree to have our different beliefs..

It not about being right or wrong, it about excepting each other`s idoeologies..

The rest will fall in place threw time..

science have now proven thing they are slowly leaking out to the public..

We are all connected on a cosmic level and this doesn`t change anyone beliefs..

[DrWJB]

I agree, No one would argue that people can lie or do whatever their religious beliefs permit them to do. The reason why EX Witnesses expose WT teachings is because their former religion has STOLEN all their friends and family! Witnesses are not allowed to speak to former Witnesses. They will be shunned if they do. This is extortion which is a crime!

[utukkuxul]

People often ask why I attack Witnesses more than say, Mormons or Scientologists. The reason should be obvious. I wasn't raised a Mormon or a Scientologist. If I was, chances are most of my videos would focus on them. As it is, I leave it for others more experienced with those cults to make videos about them.

[utukkuxul]

Why would I hate a cult that has destroyed families, supported Hitler then lied and claimed persecution, stolen money, murdered children and enslaved minds? Gee I dunno, that's a fucking mystery if I've ever heard one.

[utukkuxul]

Oh did I mention they're also allowed to lie to you? I kinda proved that in this very video and the four before it.

Now why on earth would someone hate a group of liars that has destroyed families and murdered children?

These are some difficult questions.

[utukkuxul]

If what you said in a channel comment is true - that you would "hate that(to be a JW)" - then why do you care about who is or isn't an apostate? Why would a non-JW even ask such a question? Most non-JWs have never even heard that term before.

And as I've said many times in past videos, no I am not an apostate. I am simply seeking to expose this cult specifically, and all religion in general.

[utukkuxul]

Well if you met your bf at school then chances are he is not a JW. And your and his favorites are of "worldly music" that most JWs would find distasteful at best. Mostly I was just messing with you.

Strange that you've watched my videos before, and the first I've seen or spoken to you is when I commented on someone else's video. You must watch a lot of anti-JW videos huh? Do you only select specific ones to really insult?

[utukkuxul]

You're contradicting yourself. You're saying you don't like to comment in came JW family sees your comments and takes them as disrespectful, yet the one comment I saw was you insulting the creator of the video and defending the JWs. Doesn't really add up.

I went on your bf's profile to see if he was a Witness, since your statements and actions indicated that you were one.

[utukkuxul]

I went through that phase myself. I talked about it very briefly in a past video. I was out of the org for a good ten years before I really began to discover dirt on them. I was never baptized though so I am not an apostate, before you ask :P

Not to be nosy, but if you still live with your JW parents, do they know you no longer believe what they do? I imagine they do if you have a bf outside the org.

[clnmyjts]

One thing I think would be a great idea to do would be to set up a ex witnesses web that would give people in their home towns a exwitnesses friend.

One thing about being in the org. All The people learned how to work together. This is important when you learn what is really going on on the planet.

Plus, their D.F. shunning keep a split from starting in the org.

Getting a new religion is not the answer either.

Research into ancient history & legends tell a different story than the J.W.

[utukkuxul]

There are a ton of ex-JW sites out there. I considered making a ning site, but doubted many would bother to join it.

[clnmyjts]

Another thing I learn while in the org.

It seems some brother who own a businesses are alway`s looking for someone in the org. whom they trusted, so they could free up their time for other thing.

I personally found these type brother`s to be user`s

They never paid well and always where slave driver.......sad but true.

It should be about equality.

EQUALITY ? That what they preach the new world will be like.

Well they need to practice that attitude now if it`s what they plan to live by...LOL

[propagandatechniques]

Yeah, I've been accused of the same things. It's not sensationalizing at all. Facts are facts. They lie and will lie to try to protect their handlers. Look at the JW WithSpiritAndTruth. She claimed I am in no way "showing remorse", therefore she has me blocked. I asked her how I am to show remorse if I haven't done anything wrong? She couldn't refute anything I said so she blocked me, plain and simple.

That Ohio elder was lying and knew he was lying. All the JWs who saw it know he was lying.

[utukkuxul]

Kellylittleton did the same kind of thing, basically attacked me and then blocked me so I couldn't reply. I sent a PM saying I felt it was inconsiderate to attack someone and not have the courtesy to allow a rebuttal, and she lied and claimed I sent her a PM swearing at her. I did no such thing. Then I made a video reply and she got all upset. Oh well. Allow me to reply to you, or I'll reply publicly. Don't like it? Then leave me alone to begin with.

[JBSauce]

I don't think PT will mind you using a bit of his video. Good work in exposing the sanctioned dishonesty of the JWs. I can only hope for more recorded examples of their "Theocratic War Strategy."

[utukkuxul]

My original version was two parts and got much more into other lies that overseer said, but I was having a really hard time getting the videos to save, and decided that it was probably better to keep it short anyway. But if you watch the whole session, you'll hear him lie as well as contradict himself. He also uses the method of raising his religion by lowering another and being evasive. He's asked about shunning and he first says "we don't shun like the AMISH do," and then

[utukkuxul]

later he lies and says they don't see apostates as evil, wicked, or demonic. I can pull out a WT article from only a few months ago that says apostates are like Satan and should be avoided at all costs. If you have a half hour to kill, check it out and count the lies he tells.

[utukkuxul]

By evasive in this case, I mean when he is asked if apostates are seen as wicked or demonic, he doesn't give a straight answer but instead parrots "Disfellowshipped means you are no longer part of the congregation." As I show, this is their first method. If evasion doesn't work, then they will outright lie.

As for PT, I sent him a PM letting him know I used it just out of courtesy. He did a good job and at least deserves a head's up that I used his material.

[JBSauce]

I do remember seeing this video some time ago, but I had forgotten about what he lied about.

[propagandatechniques]

Yeah, I don't mind that it was used. I view this as a war against this evil cult and whatever works is fine with me. I'm glad my video can be used effectively to bulwark the case we have against this bunch of manipulative sons of guns lying and being programmed by the intelligence to lie.