Debating whether "Mormons are Christians" is focusing on terminology. When people say Mormons aren't Christians, they mean Mormonism is heterodox. (Mormonism agrees it's different when it claims the regular church has gone astray.)
Also, similar to how Christianity added its New Testament to the Jewish scripture (the Torah) and how Islam added its Quran to the Christian/Jewish scriptures, Mormonism adds its own sacred texts to the Bible.
Regardless of labels, there are some big differences.
Christianity is a cult as well as all religions. Cult isn't a bad word. It is the basis of culture. It is a group that centers around some common end or being. Christians worship Jesus Christ as the One True God. That is the center of their cult. What most people are missing is that you have bad, dangerous cults and good cults. Anywhere you have a culture, you have some sort of cult to unite and shape the followers. So, the question is whether Jesus Christ, the One True God, shapes mormons.
No person or group that doesn't ascent to Jesus Christ as the second person of the Triune God is a Christian per se. There is also baptism and fidelity to the Church necessary spiritually. Within all these statements the one real question is this:
DO MORMONS CONFESS THAT JESUS CHRIST IS GOD? If they don't, they may be closer to Arianism, but end up being polytheists who believe that we all can become "gods" as they understand it. Cult is thrown around too much. All groups of worship cults.
The Book of Mormon is a volume of holy scripture comparable to the Bible and is a record of God's dealings with His chosen people in the New World. The main purpose of the Book of Mormon is "to the convincing of Jew and Gentile that JESUS is the CHRIST, the ETERNAL GOD, manifesting himself unto all nations." (Book of Mormon Title Page) It was written by ancient American prophets for our day (Mormon 8:35) and is an American testament of the Lord Jesus Christ.
I did not doubt the fact that Mormons are christian, I doubt the fact that they are following the bible over their own book, you are meant to respect others and their opinion, yet many mormons seem to lack respect with how they continue to try to convince someone, or force them rather by continously preaching even though it is clear that the one they are talking to has made their decision already, I am a protestant myself, not a Mormon(obviously due to the question's nature), was just curious.
Mathew 19:16-22. The rich man asks jesus what he has to do to have eternal life, jesus answers literally "if thou wilt enter into Life, keep the commandments." the rich man says he hasnt had too much trouble doing a decent job since his youth, "what lack i yet?". Jesus answer in concept is to do all you can, and the rich man walked away sorrowing, cuz he didnt want to. Why didnt jesus run him down and say "jk, its all grace man works dont matter ." ??
@thirdimpact Celestial sex... I know you mean that condescendingly, but thats not what we call it. Translated literally regardless of tradition gen 1:27 says that man was created "in the images of the godS... male and female". Is it not logical that the reason there are males and females is patterned after a hevenly version? Especially when paul uses "offspring" of all words to describe our relationship to god? (acts17:29) why would that be gross? Its sacred, god created it in his own image.
What is not testified publicly here is that the Mormon "Jesus" is a separate god from the Mormon "Father God", and both were conceived through celestial sex. The Mormon "Jesus" and the Mormon "Lucifer" are spirit brothers. The Mormon "Heaven" is divided into three levels, there is no Hell. Most importantly, the Mormon Jesus only paid past sin. 'Do your best and god will take care of the rest' is not the Gospel. It is by Grace alone, so that no one can boast.
According to some estimates, by 2025 Hispanics will be the majority within the Mormon faith, which has expanded from its original core of largely white members located mostly in Utah.
The number of Spanish-speaking Mormon congregations in the US almost doubled between 2001 and 2011, according to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-days Saints, the official name of a religion with 5.5 million members in the US.
Nope. I don't buy it. Mormons want to call themselves christian so they can appear more mainstream - but mormons differ from christianity in all the important things - The nature of god (man can become one of many gods and have female gods to pork so they spew out spirit babies), the nature of the afterlife (becoming god rather than being with god), and how you are "saved". Mormons should just be happy...being mormons.
If Mormons were Christians, they would be monotheistic and trinitarian.
Mormons are not trinitarian, and they are certainly not monotheistic, which is a basic that is so freaking basic as to encompass all of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam together. Mormons don't even meet this, the most basic of criteria.
Maybe you can make a video explaining why true Christianity isn't really monotheistic. See how it plays. It's a tough argument, but considering what Mormonism is, you do have to make it.
The following statements are from Non-Mormon sources:
Gerhard Kittel, Theological Dictionary of the New Testament--"The NT does not actually speak of triunity. We seek this in vain in the triadic formulae of the NT."
William J. Hill, The Three-Personed God: The Trinity as a Mystery of Salvation--"The New Testament itself is far from any doctrine of the Trinity or of a Triune God who is three coequal Persons of One Nature."
2- Ernest F. Scott in An Encyclopedia of Religion--"In the NT there is no direct suggestion of a doctrine of the Trinity."
Harper's Bible Dictionary--"The formal doctrine of the Trinity as it was defined by the great church councils of the 4th & 5th centuries is not to be found in the NT."
Many say that Mormons are not Christian, because they do not believe in this NON-biblical creed. Any church teaching a non-biblical doctrine is a cult.
@GaryKColeman ---Do you yourself believe the trinity? God being witiness as the only God of Isreal...how many gods could the Holy Spirit be? three spirits? I think that the NT does teach the concept of a union of Christ with God ...to be the same diety. the same spirit. or of one substance. not one person. but Christ is full soul of a man as well as the Lord.
I believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost (Spirit). I believe that they are 3 seperate and distinct personages, who constitute the Godhead. I do not believe that they are "the same diety, the same spirit, or of one substance." The sources I quoted do not believe that the New Testament shows that either. I would be interested in seeing any evidence from the NT.
@GaryKColeman if the 3 are not God, then 3 gods or 3 spirits? If the Holy Spirit is a person where did He come from? Who is He if not God himself? Christians believe that God himself is the only Lord God Deut 6:4 (not three Lord Gods. God is the word and the spirit. & both Jews and Christians believe that God is 3 Omni's...Omniscience, Omnipotent, and Omnipresent. or all knowing, all powerful, a spirit everywhere, never began or never will end. The God of the Bible is one God, not 3 spirits.
@GaryKColeman Did you look at the thing you're replying to? Trinitarianism is important, but it's not the most glaringly obvious thing that stands in the way of Mormons claiming to be Christians. I'll say it again: Christianity is and has always been monotheistic.
Again. Christianity is monotheistic.
I'll make the same suggestion to you- maybe you can make a video explaining why true Christianity isn't monotheistic. Again, though, it's a tough sell.
One of the charges the Jews leveled against early Christianity was that the Christians were NOT monotheistic because they believed in 3 Gods: the Father, the Son, & the Holy Spirit. To counter that accusation, the idea of a Triune God was invented. It wasn't really "triune" at first because only the Father & The Son were considered to be "one." The Holy Spirit was added later.
The trinity & monotheism are contained in the same creed.
The council in 325 dealt mainly with the nature of God, the Father, & Jesus Christ, the Son. The creed ended with "we believe in the Holy Spirit," without saying who or what the Spirit is.
In 381, the council of Constantinople accepted the divinity of the Holy Spirit. They taught that the Father is God, the Son is God, & the Holy Spirit is God, yet there is only one God - one God in three Persona. They did not explain how it is so - they just said that it is so.
If what this guy in this video says is true, then how come the Mormons don't just use the Bible for their teachings and learnings? If Mormons were true Christians (followers of Christ) they would follow His teachings in the Bible, not the book of Mormon.
"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book. (Revelation 22:18)"
The following staements are from Non-Mormon sources:
Gerhard Kittel, Theological Dictionary of the New Testament--"The NT does not actually speak of triunity. We seek this in vain in the triadic formulae of the NT."
William J. Hill, The Three-Personed God: The Trinity as a Mystery of Salvation--"The New Testament itself is far from any doctrine of the Trinity or of a Triune God who is three coequal Persons of One Nature."
2- Ernest F. Scott in An Encyclopedia of Religion--"In the NT there is no direct suggestion of a doctrine of the Trinity."
Harper's Bible Dictionary--"The formal doctrine of the Trinity as it was defined by the great church councils of the 4th & 5th centuries is not to be found in the NT."
Many say that Mormons are not Christian, because they do not believe in this "NON-biblical creed. Any church teaching a non-biblical doctrine is a cult.
@RestoChristian ---The Mormons teach that when Jesus Christ died on the cross he literally destroyed 16 large cities in the Americas killing thousands.[ see 3rd Nephi chap 9]..sorry but Mormonism this is not the doctrine of God in Christ. Its "another" cult. with many unbiblical doctrines.
"Recently there was a devastating earthquake in Japan, floods in the Midwest, and deadly tornados in Tornado Alley," said Terra Bella resident Stanley Stark. "Every person is subject to these large emergencies, but individuals and families are also often threatened by their own smaller emergencies."
Elder Quentin L. Cook, a member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles attended the event with more than 4,200 Latter-day Saints and their friends. Elder Cook threw a strike, which was caught by local Church leader Elder Jerryl Garns.
"There arrived in this land a man whom they called Quetzacoatl... His countenance was white and he wore a beard. His manner of dress consisted of a long white robe... He was considered just, saintly, and good, teaching them by deeds and words the road to virtue... He gave them laws and sane doctrine... He said that in the year that would be called Ce Acatl, He would return and then His doctrine would be accepted, and his children Lords and heirs of the earth."
And while the modern-day LDS teen living in the northern suburbs may not know from persecution, the re-enactment shows how far their lives can be from the cultural mainstream, even one sprinkled with Mormon touchstones, from the Broadway smash The Book of Mormon to Mitt Romney making a second run for the White House.
New King James Version (NKJV) 10 Mercy and truth have met together; Righteousness and peace have kissed. 11 Truth shall spring out of the earth, And righteousness shall look down from heaven.
A revelation for the book of mormon. Tell me, ignoramus, how does this scripture apply to your false religion? LOL
"out of the earth." You guys think your three headed trinitarian anthropomorphic goo jebus came from the ground?
@LDS4Life71---not knowing who the Lamanites were or where the hell are they, but eminating it as if they were in fact a LARGE nation of Native Americans, this is grasping at staws, in fact its like looking for a needle in a phoney hay stack. lol.
such is the illusion of any fantasy book. There is simply nothing to base it on.
@LDS4Life71---"Today if the book Of Mormon was to be taken to trial, the DNA evidence would implicate Joseph Smith as an imposter." Thomas Murphy, PHD Archaeologist
but J Smith was already implicated for his money digging deeds, and for fraud. so there you go. We know them by their fruits.
@LDS4Life71---if you want coicidence, I have a couple for you to look at...I did a study one time on word frequencies of the Bom..Only 3 words appear 96 times in the Bom .These 3 words are rather interesting to read "Devil"
became light, hmmm an Angel of light .Likewise It is also interesting that the number 5 is the number of Satan, (well known in numerology) and the Devil is the father of lies, so the number of times the word Father appears in the BoM is 555. Coincidence?
@LDS4Life71 Therefore, your Nahom agument is also grasping at straws. yet you guys have not located a single book of Mormon city or a single Lamanite with Hebrew DNA or any rusty steel swords anywhere or even a chariot, or even any proof of any person place or event associated with the Bom Steel btw was a Joe day metal, not of the American natives, steel is not iron ore. And yet we do know of how and where the Bible came from and have no doubt of the people associated with real history.
@LDS4Life71 ---yeah and there was a port called Moroni on the Comoras [ his Commorah?] Islands near Madacascar.Africa, I check this spot on the famous 1808 world map, and its there too, so is this just a coincidence?
@LDS4Life71-- No, more than one evidence shows us that Joe simply wrote his own storybook novel reading from his hat, (letting a peek of light through to see pages of writing) This is why there are hundreds of King James Bible verses copied into his book, including St Paul and why there is no stone box, or plates, or Smith language, or hill battle, and since we now know that 99.4 % of the American native Indians DNA is from NE Asian descent, then where the heck is just one Lamanite? LOL!
@Rypaul5217 Nahom is irrefutable proof for the book of Mormon.
Teotihuacan : The place where men become gods
Was a Nephite city, and found empty. The temple of Quetzacoatl, the white bearded God, will reveal the world that the ancient meso americans performed celestial weddings and did temple work there.
The Book of Mormon is a volume of holy scripture comparable to the Bible and is a record of God's dealings with His chosen people in the New World. The main purpose of the Book of Mormon is "to the convincing of Jew and Gentile that JESUS is the CHRIST, the ETERNAL GOD, manifesting himself unto all nations." (Book of Mormon Title Page) It was written by ancient American prophets for our day (Mormon 8:35) and is an American testament of the Lord Jesus Christ.
It is funny how Mormons say they are Christian but Christians say Mormons aren't, funny. Just thought I should mention it. Oh could you tell me how to get to heaven?
@LDS4Life71---The Father is the God of Isreal and the God of Moses, the same God who called out Abraham and gave us His only begotten Son. "For God so loved the world" Jn 3:16 Christ referred to Him when he was conversing with the Jews, see Luke 20: 37-38, and Acts 2:13-22...Jesus was one with the living and true God. the only God of the Bible. the Lord God, with whom we are to worship with all of our heart, soul, mind, and strength.
@Rypaul5217 I hope you'll get a real hobby and show us that your anti mormon websites are FALSE just as you are anti christ. AND NOT born again, and NOT God's.
@LDS4Life71---need less to say, a psuedo brain is one who assumes and boasts against his own assumptions and preconceived notions without clear and understandable facts. A psuedo is also arrogant, self reliant, bold, prejudiced, and an omnipotent fool.
@LDS4Life71---I read a book on Mayan and mezo-American-Aztec history at a local book store today...curious is that the legend of Quetzacoatl is that this "man" commited suicide by lighting himself on a bomb fire, all dress up as a high priestly king and everything..LOL! Well there goes your Christ is Quezie theory up in smoke. literally, LOL!
@LDS4Life71---Needless to say, more and more I am seeing that your lack of knowledge is becoming your precipys, for as the pit in your stomach starts to twist and turn, you resort to cursing the learned and educated men of reason and understanding and.are only making yourself look like a contentious idiot and a mindless fool.
@LDS4Life71 ---It is what others think of you that counts, not what you think of yourself, for without a heart your as hollow as an argry bee hive. [The Tin Man in OZ]
@jayhawk88z It's a scriptural fact that God speaks to us through prophets. That is what prophets are there for - to testify of Christ.
Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
1 Chronicles 16:22 Saying, Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm.
I don't trust in the arm of flesh. I have faith in God through my knowledge of the scriptures which exist because of Prophets like Amos, Isaiah, Joseph and Brigham.
@LDS4Life71 ---look up WIKI = "Quetalcoatl" First thing siad is "The worship of a feathered serpent deity is first documented in Teotihuacan in the Late Preclassic through the Early Classic period (400 BCE–600CE) of Mesoamerican chronology— whereafter it appears to have spread throughout Mesoamerica by the Late Classic (600–900 CE) .[ WIKI ]
@LDS4Life71---I believe Wiki to be reliable for the bibliography it represents, because it gives more that one reference to the effectual meaning. However there are also other sites that say the same thing "Archaeologists uncovered the Temple of Quetzalcoatl early in this century at the ancient ruins of Teotihuacan, just north of Mexico City."[phenixmansonry org - the order of Quetzacoatl]
and by Google "The Temple of Quetzalcoatl" There is a mexican tour to that Teotihuacan location.
@LDS4Life71 ---hey if dont believe me or WiKI, simply google "The temple of Quetzalcoatl" is all there site after site after site that this temple was discovered in the Teotihuacan location,
@Rypaul5217 It's the same temple where three rooms have been found underneath, and the archaeologist think they are going to find tombs of rulers, but in fact are going to find in the temple of Quetzacoatl that the meso americans were doing temple work anciently with Christ's early church that was abandoned after 200AD, and the tunnel to the 3 rooms were sealed up. But mark my words. The archaeologists will find a sealing room and baptismal font for the dead.
@LDS4Life71---One room was for human sacrifice and the other two rooms were crypts below it ...so? Don't boast of what you don't have. It makes you look like a moron.
@LDS4Life71---Just goes to show how the author of this storybook knew a great deal about Jesus and his blood, his cross and the meaning of the New Testement gospel teaching on the atonement. though he tried to mask his own words behind fictional characterizations and storybook fiction, as such, but its just Joe's own voice throughout these passages about what he read about Jesus directly from the King James Bible, therefore he simply assimulated the material into his own.
@LDS4Life71 you make a bold faced claim, but show me a scholar that has evidence to support that the facts surrounding the city are in accordance with the city in the bom. Make it circumstantial. Btw, if you were trying to answer my question to if God has sinned, you failed to do so. You got a little of f subject.
@TheChristiankat Recently found due to a rain a tunnel that was sealed up underneath the temple of Quetzacoatl, the white bearded God, that appeared them and taught them. Sealed up around 200-250AD are three rooms from the tunnel. Archaeologists THINK they are going to find tombs of kings of the place, but IN fact the people had 12 judges and not kings. Therefore they won't find any tombs. They are going to find it's a TEMPLE and they did TEMPLE work as we do today.
@LDS4Life71 "The Teotihuacanos practiced human sacrifice: human bodies and animal sacrifices have been found during excavations of the pyramids at Teotihuacan. Scholars believe that the people offered human sacrifices as part of a dedication when buildings were expanded or constructed." [Wiki ref #22]
yup, this is something to think about all right, these people made these sacrifices to Quetzalcoatl the feathered serpent. LOL!
@Rypaul5217 The Teotihuacans didn't practice it till after 250AD. Alma 34:10 The prophet of God speaks about human sacrifice as the people began doing it. They didn't always practice it, but it was implemented because of the wickedness and degeneration spiritually of the people, and to control the masses.
@LDS4Life71 "The last sacrifce"? Have you really read Alma 34:10 or did you look in the index and saw the word sacrifice...here is just joe writing about Jesus's atonement saying that it was not a sacrifice of men or beast, or fowl---interesting is that Joe said in verse 9 that "a atonement must be made or else all mankind must unavoidably perish"...but this is in direct contradiction to what Joe made Jesus do at the time of the atonement...that is cause the destruction of many to perish. eh?
10For it is expedient that there should be a great and last asacrifice; yea, not a sacrifice of man, neither of beast, neither of any manner of fowl; for it shall not be a human sacrifice; but it must be an infinite and eternal sacrifice.
@TheChristiankat Genesis 3: 22 - ¶And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: - So by partaking of the fruit we DID become as one of them (capable of knowing both Good and Evil) but also our potential to become like our heavenly parents would be set forth thanks to the savior by obedience to the laws of God = Jesus
Though he has yet to knock on anyone's front door, Fredette, 22, has been called the greatest Mormon missionary in the world. He may some day become the face of the Kings franchise, but he is already one of the most visible faces of his faith. ...
@omiolo---You did got my point didnt you? I repeat...You do know about the murderer Orrin Porter Rockwell dont you? How about the murderer by the name of Bill Hickman how he "killed Yates with an ax to his brains".So here we are again...You do read history dont you? Its VERY INTERESTING. especially about the life of all these murderers who were also Mormons working for Brigham Young who wanted Yates dead as confessed by his son Joseph A Young. ["Brigham destroying Angel" pp 122-126]
mormons r not christian or of the christian church i would like to debate with u on this lol. the idea of LDS completely contradicts with the idea of christianity...y do u think Joseph Smith left the christian chruch?
This year's Mormon Bachelorette is Ashley Chapman, 27, from Mesa, Arizona, who is hoping to find love, Mormon style. The new Fox 10 show will follow Ashley as she goes on dates with the guys in her quest to find a new partner - and a hubby. .
Just when you thought you'd heard it all - along comes the Mormon Bachelorette.
In an new concept for the reality TV dating show arena, 'The Mormon Bachelorette' seeks to pair up a Mormon woman with one of 22 suitors - all Mormons of course - whilst eschewing the raunchy exploits of most other TV dating shows and following the rules of the Jesus Christ Church of Latter Day Saints (LDS).
So who's responsible for all this non-traditional recruiting? That would be BYU football recruiting coordinator and running backs coach Joe DuPaix, seen after the jump hypnotizing you as he stands in front of the Brigham Young Wall of Illusion.
18 of BYU's 19 signees from the class of 2011 are members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. The 19th player is linebacker Bobby Wolford, a self-described devout Catholic. Wolford is just one of many non-LDS players who have offers from the Cougars.
You probably just assume everyone who plays football BYU is a card-carrying Mormon. And traditionally, that might have been true. But these days, the religion of college football wins trumps even Mormonism.
@omiolo ---um you read history dont you? This Mormon was called "mormon's avenging angel" and was Joe Smith's personal body guard and friend...was the main suspect in the shooting of the Govenor Boggs
(confessed by his wife that he did it ) and muderer of over 100 men according to the Salt Lake Tribune and other documents in Utah. and to top it off---there is a building in SLC named after him...lol! --What? yes what...what a wonderful monument for any murderer. Remember him always. LOL!
White will be in Utah this week speaking to aspiring musicians at the Soundcheck Series in Salt Lake City, followed by a concert in Provo the next day. She's kicking off a tour with pop rock artist Jack Matranga, with whom she recently recorded an EP called "Gemini." Future tour stops include Rexburg, Idaho, and Lake Forest, Calif. .
Brooke White, a Latter-day Saint singer from Mesa, Ariz., who gained fame on "American Idol" when she told former judge Simon Cowell that she had never watched an R-rated movie, is now well down the winding road of the music industry.
And it's a road she's had to navigate with faith and a music style that is less than conventional.
"Yea, heavy destruction awaiteth this people, and it surely cometh unto this people, and nothing can save this people save it be repentance and faith on the Lord Jesus Christ, who surely shall come into the world, and shall suffer many things and shall be slain for his people."
Repeating the phrase "this people" six times in two sentences was, I thought, boring, even embarrassing, and definitely very poor style.
Just like the Catholic Church...Mormonism is a RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION-
Note he never testified that Jesus was literally "GOD in the Flesh"... 100% God and 100% man -uniquely different from all other men now and forever and worthy of praise and adoration...Lord of Lords...When Mormons affirm the unique DEITY identity of the God-Man-Jesus the only one of his Kind the second person of the God-head- ONLY THEN will they or anyone be considered a TRUE Christian according to the holy Scriptures.
"I would that ye should come unto Christ, who is the Holy One of Israel, and partake of his salvation, and the power of his redemption. Yea, come unto him, and offer your whole souls as an offering unto him, and continue in fasting and praying, and endure to the end; and as the Lord liveth ye will be saved." Joseph Smith Jr.
The choir will perform seven concerts in seven days, in Norfolk, Virginia; Washington, D.C.; Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; Chautauqua, New York and Toronto, Ontario, Canada. .
A GROUP of Mormon visitors from the USA received a warm welcome in Ledbury this week. The group, from Salt Lake City, spent about two hours in Ledbury on Monday (June 13). They were greeted by town crier Bill 'The Bell' Turberfield and mayor Allen
The problem with this video is that it leaves out the part about Mormons claiming, as per their own prophets, that Jesus and Satan were brothers, dark skinned people are a cursed people who represent Satan on earth and that we as humans will become Gods if we follow their Churches rituals.
BTW, even Satan knows that Jesus is the son of God, this does not save you. Believe in him and love one another. Those are his commandments. You cant earn your way into heaven with tithe, Its not FOR SALE.
@imbiased "Mormons claiming, as per their own prophets, that Jesus and Satan were brothers"
I can NOT seem to find that in our books that contain our doctrine, our Holy Scriptures. In fact, the Holy Scriptures seem to say the OPPOSITE of that.
Spencer W. Kimball, Conference Report, April 1964, Pg.95
Joseph Smith, Doctrines of Salvation Vol.2, Pg.218 -Pg.219
Discourses of Brigham Young, on Pg.53-54
John A. Widtsoe, Evidences and Reconciliations, Pg.209
James E. Talmage, "Jesus the Christ," Pages 132 & 133
The Articles of Faith' by James E. Talmage, p. 466 claims that Elohim (the Father) came down in the flesh &had sex with Mary. This is adultery. Shall I Go on?
My father has been an amazing force for good in my life in serving as an unwavering example of gospel principles in action and remaining steadfast in his witness for the truth regardless of circumstance. I remember many times as a young boy traveling with my father to cutting-horse contests throughout the United States
He never missed an opportunity to teach life lessons and to understand my questions. Our goal at the contests was always to do our best and make the finals. The finals, however, were held on Sundays, and never once in my life did we stay to compete on the Sabbath day. My dad stayed to help all of the other contestants late into the night on Saturday, and then we quietly yet unapologetically loaded our horses and drove early into the morning to be home in time for church each Sunday. . .
WHERE does Jesus say the NEW Covenant church is to have 2 LDS clergy priesthoods- specifically? Where does he teach an earthly PROPHET will be ABOVE the 12 apostles in rank? WHERE does he teach NT church will TOTALLY apostatize & won't exist until 1830 w/Smith & Mormonism as the only true church organization? Acts 17:11 teaches TEST living apostles by written scripture, not just Jesus' words. Jesus quotes Deut 6:4- HEB:"Here O Israel: Yahweh our Elohim is ONE Yahweh"]- 1 NOT 2 Gods +other Gods
@omiolo--no, Smith's god is a man theology is not Christian, See Rom 1:22-25 There is not one Bible scripture that says that the Lord God of Isreal, the Almighty God, The Creator of all the universe, was / is a created creature or a baby born from out of a woman womb. On the contrary, the Bible says in Hosea 11:9 "I am God and not man, the Holy One in the mdst of thee." And Jesus said "God is SPIRIT and they that worship him must worship Him in spirit and in truth"Jn 4:24.God always was God.
@Rypaul5217 "god is a man theology is not Christian"
actually MOST EVANGELICALS that I know say God is a man. Many LDS say that after God was crucified and ressurrected and exalted, He was NO longer man. You are too busy ATTACKING the Mormons to know theology. Radical Muslim???
@omiolo The incarnation? Christ is the Son of God... the Son of Who? So who was I talking about here? The Father of all things Eternal. So your comment didnt relate to how God was to have been born to be a baby out of a women. but if Almighty God you say had a mother, Then Who was THEE Almighty God before your Elohim-man was born on a Earth-like planet?
Its just that your so called theology doesnt make a bit of sense in light of what the Bible teaches about the only God of all things.
Debating whether "Mormons are Christians" is focusing on terminology. When people say Mormons aren't Christians, they mean Mormonism is heterodox. (Mormonism agrees it's different when it claims the regular church has gone astray.)
Also, similar to how Christianity added its New Testament to the Jewish scripture (the Torah) and how Islam added its Quran to the Christian/Jewish scriptures, Mormonism adds its own sacred texts to the Bible.
Regardless of labels, there are some big differences.
geefleandgonk 1 week ago
Christianity is a cult as well as all religions. Cult isn't a bad word. It is the basis of culture. It is a group that centers around some common end or being. Christians worship Jesus Christ as the One True God. That is the center of their cult. What most people are missing is that you have bad, dangerous cults and good cults. Anywhere you have a culture, you have some sort of cult to unite and shape the followers. So, the question is whether Jesus Christ, the One True God, shapes mormons.
vaeates 2 weeks ago
No person or group that doesn't ascent to Jesus Christ as the second person of the Triune God is a Christian per se. There is also baptism and fidelity to the Church necessary spiritually. Within all these statements the one real question is this:
DO MORMONS CONFESS THAT JESUS CHRIST IS GOD? If they don't, they may be closer to Arianism, but end up being polytheists who believe that we all can become "gods" as they understand it. Cult is thrown around too much. All groups of worship cults.
vaeates 2 weeks ago
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The Book of Mormon is a volume of holy scripture comparable to the Bible and is a record of God's dealings with His chosen people in the New World. The main purpose of the Book of Mormon is "to the convincing of Jew and Gentile that JESUS is the CHRIST, the ETERNAL GOD, manifesting himself unto all nations." (Book of Mormon Title Page) It was written by ancient American prophets for our day (Mormon 8:35) and is an American testament of the Lord Jesus Christ.
(Well said, LDS4Life71)
LDSTrueDoctrine 2 weeks ago
I did not doubt the fact that Mormons are christian, I doubt the fact that they are following the bible over their own book, you are meant to respect others and their opinion, yet many mormons seem to lack respect with how they continue to try to convince someone, or force them rather by continously preaching even though it is clear that the one they are talking to has made their decision already, I am a protestant myself, not a Mormon(obviously due to the question's nature), was just curious.
Darca1n 3 weeks ago
@Darca1n mormons aren't Christian. They're teachings are not biblical.
CancerianCrafts 2 weeks ago
This man is sincere.
ronv11 3 weeks ago
Mormons arnt christians there a cult
jayhawk88z 1 month ago
@jayhawk88z very true.
CancerianCrafts 2 weeks ago
@thirdimpact And last point...
Mathew 19:16-22. The rich man asks jesus what he has to do to have eternal life, jesus answers literally "if thou wilt enter into Life, keep the commandments." the rich man says he hasnt had too much trouble doing a decent job since his youth, "what lack i yet?". Jesus answer in concept is to do all you can, and the rich man walked away sorrowing, cuz he didnt want to. Why didnt jesus run him down and say "jk, its all grace man works dont matter ." ??
PCEggo 1 month ago 2
@thirdimpact Celestial sex... I know you mean that condescendingly, but thats not what we call it. Translated literally regardless of tradition gen 1:27 says that man was created "in the images of the godS... male and female". Is it not logical that the reason there are males and females is patterned after a hevenly version? Especially when paul uses "offspring" of all words to describe our relationship to god? (acts17:29) why would that be gross? Its sacred, god created it in his own image.
PCEggo 1 month ago
@thirdimpact I have some questions for you
How do you interpret hebrews 2:10-14, eph 3:15, and heb 12:9? Are we not all the spirit children of god?
PCEggo 1 month ago
What is not testified publicly here is that the Mormon "Jesus" is a separate god from the Mormon "Father God", and both were conceived through celestial sex. The Mormon "Jesus" and the Mormon "Lucifer" are spirit brothers. The Mormon "Heaven" is divided into three levels, there is no Hell. Most importantly, the Mormon Jesus only paid past sin. 'Do your best and god will take care of the rest' is not the Gospel. It is by Grace alone, so that no one can boast.
thirdimpact 1 month ago
According to some estimates, by 2025 Hispanics will be the majority within the Mormon faith, which has expanded from its original core of largely white members located mostly in Utah.
The number of Spanish-speaking Mormon congregations in the US almost doubled between 2001 and 2011, according to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-days Saints, the official name of a religion with 5.5 million members in the US.
omiolo 1 month ago
Will the growth in Hispanic Mormons help Mitt Romney attract voters?
omiolo 1 month ago
mormons follow a book of fiction and a polygamist. they are NOT christians. We follow the Bible and Christ Jesus
GunBlade79 1 month ago
@GunBlade79 Mormons are the ENSIGN of Christianity. Anyone who says differently is as wrong as SIN.
omiolo 1 month ago
Mormons are NOT Christian they are a cult there temples are masonic not Christian the Jesus they spaek of is not the Jesus of the bible.
jayhawk88z 1 month ago
@jayhawk88z "Mormons are NOT Christian"
Mormons are the ENSIGN of Christianity, to say they are NOT Christian is to deny Christ.
omiolo 1 month ago 2
Nope. I don't buy it. Mormons want to call themselves christian so they can appear more mainstream - but mormons differ from christianity in all the important things - The nature of god (man can become one of many gods and have female gods to pork so they spew out spirit babies), the nature of the afterlife (becoming god rather than being with god), and how you are "saved". Mormons should just be happy...being mormons.
WoobaOne 1 month ago
monotheism as well as polytheism are extremes and do not cover YHWH.
reliinfo 3 months ago
If Mormons were Christians, they would be monotheistic and trinitarian.
Mormons are not trinitarian, and they are certainly not monotheistic, which is a basic that is so freaking basic as to encompass all of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam together. Mormons don't even meet this, the most basic of criteria.
Maybe you can make a video explaining why true Christianity isn't really monotheistic. See how it plays. It's a tough argument, but considering what Mormonism is, you do have to make it.
mmmcounts 3 months ago
@mmmcounts sole oness, duality, trinitarianism, sole family and evolving god theories (mormonism) are all
human God restrictions of the supreme Being of YHWH.
reliinfo 3 months ago
@reliinfo Did you miss the thing about monotheism?
mmmcounts 3 months ago
@mmmcounts Not really.
reliinfo 3 months ago
@mmmcounts
The following statements are from Non-Mormon sources:
Gerhard Kittel, Theological Dictionary of the New Testament--"The NT does not actually speak of triunity. We seek this in vain in the triadic formulae of the NT."
William J. Hill, The Three-Personed God: The Trinity as a Mystery of Salvation--"The New Testament itself is far from any doctrine of the Trinity or of a Triune God who is three coequal Persons of One Nature."
cont...2....
GaryKColeman 2 months ago
@mmmcounts
2- Ernest F. Scott in An Encyclopedia of Religion--"In the NT there is no direct suggestion of a doctrine of the Trinity."
Harper's Bible Dictionary--"The formal doctrine of the Trinity as it was defined by the great church councils of the 4th & 5th centuries is not to be found in the NT."
Many say that Mormons are not Christian, because they do not believe in this NON-biblical creed. Any church teaching a non-biblical doctrine is a cult.
GaryKColeman 2 months ago
@GaryKColeman ---Do you yourself believe the trinity? God being witiness as the only God of Isreal...how many gods could the Holy Spirit be? three spirits? I think that the NT does teach the concept of a union of Christ with God ...to be the same diety. the same spirit. or of one substance. not one person. but Christ is full soul of a man as well as the Lord.
Rypaul5217 2 months ago
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I believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost (Spirit). I believe that they are 3 seperate and distinct personages, who constitute the Godhead. I do not believe that they are "the same diety, the same spirit, or of one substance." The sources I quoted do not believe that the New Testament shows that either. I would be interested in seeing any evidence from the NT.
GaryKColeman 2 months ago
@GaryKColeman if the 3 are not God, then 3 gods or 3 spirits? If the Holy Spirit is a person where did He come from? Who is He if not God himself? Christians believe that God himself is the only Lord God Deut 6:4 (not three Lord Gods. God is the word and the spirit. & both Jews and Christians believe that God is 3 Omni's...Omniscience, Omnipotent, and Omnipresent. or all knowing, all powerful, a spirit everywhere, never began or never will end. The God of the Bible is one God, not 3 spirits.
Rypaul5217 2 months ago
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@Rypaul5217
Do you really speak for ALL Jews and Christians?
Can you back up your claims with any scripture?
GaryKColeman 2 months ago
@GaryKColeman Did you look at the thing you're replying to? Trinitarianism is important, but it's not the most glaringly obvious thing that stands in the way of Mormons claiming to be Christians. I'll say it again: Christianity is and has always been monotheistic.
Again. Christianity is monotheistic.
I'll make the same suggestion to you- maybe you can make a video explaining why true Christianity isn't monotheistic. Again, though, it's a tough sell.
mmmcounts 2 months ago
@mmmcounts
One of the charges the Jews leveled against early Christianity was that the Christians were NOT monotheistic because they believed in 3 Gods: the Father, the Son, & the Holy Spirit. To counter that accusation, the idea of a Triune God was invented. It wasn't really "triune" at first because only the Father & The Son were considered to be "one." The Holy Spirit was added later.
The trinity & monotheism are contained in the same creed.
GaryKColeman 2 months ago
@GaryKColeman "the holy spirit was added later"??? Ruach Elohe Gen 1:1.
reliinfo 2 months ago
@reliinfo
The council in 325 dealt mainly with the nature of God, the Father, & Jesus Christ, the Son. The creed ended with "we believe in the Holy Spirit," without saying who or what the Spirit is.
In 381, the council of Constantinople accepted the divinity of the Holy Spirit. They taught that the Father is God, the Son is God, & the Holy Spirit is God, yet there is only one God - one God in three Persona. They did not explain how it is so - they just said that it is so.
GaryKColeman 2 months ago
@GaryKColeman I see what you mean by added later; they started to say it in 381,
correctly added that they did not explain how it is so (three in one),
because one two or three are human God-restrictions anyway.
reliinfo 2 months ago
If what this guy in this video says is true, then how come the Mormons don't just use the Bible for their teachings and learnings? If Mormons were true Christians (followers of Christ) they would follow His teachings in the Bible, not the book of Mormon.
"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book. (Revelation 22:18)"
landerson719 3 months ago
@landerson719
The following staements are from Non-Mormon sources:
Gerhard Kittel, Theological Dictionary of the New Testament--"The NT does not actually speak of triunity. We seek this in vain in the triadic formulae of the NT."
William J. Hill, The Three-Personed God: The Trinity as a Mystery of Salvation--"The New Testament itself is far from any doctrine of the Trinity or of a Triune God who is three coequal Persons of One Nature."
GaryKColeman 2 months ago
@landerson719
2- Ernest F. Scott in An Encyclopedia of Religion--"In the NT there is no direct suggestion of a doctrine of the Trinity."
Harper's Bible Dictionary--"The formal doctrine of the Trinity as it was defined by the great church councils of the 4th & 5th centuries is not to be found in the NT."
Many say that Mormons are not Christian, because they do not believe in this "NON-biblical creed. Any church teaching a non-biblical doctrine is a cult.
GaryKColeman 2 months ago
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@RestoChristian ---The Mormons teach that when Jesus Christ died on the cross he literally destroyed 16 large cities in the Americas killing thousands.[ see 3rd Nephi chap 9]..sorry but Mormonism this is not the doctrine of God in Christ. Its "another" cult. with many unbiblical doctrines.
Rypaul5217 3 months ago
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Rypaul5217 3 months ago
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omiolo 4 months ago
Elder Quentin L. Cook, a member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles attended the event with more than 4,200 Latter-day Saints and their friends. Elder Cook threw a strike, which was caught by local Church leader Elder Jerryl Garns.
omiolo 4 months ago
"There arrived in this land a man whom they called Quetzacoatl... His countenance was white and he wore a beard. His manner of dress consisted of a long white robe... He was considered just, saintly, and good, teaching them by deeds and words the road to virtue... He gave them laws and sane doctrine... He said that in the year that would be called Ce Acatl, He would return and then His doctrine would be accepted, and his children Lords and heirs of the earth."
-Ixtlilxochitl, 1600AD
LDS4Life71 4 months ago 2
Mormons walk in the shoes of pioneers
The Herald
omiolo 4 months ago
And while the modern-day LDS teen living in the northern suburbs may not know from persecution, the re-enactment shows how far their lives can be from the cultural mainstream, even one sprinkled with Mormon touchstones, from the Broadway smash The Book of Mormon to Mitt Romney making a second run for the White House.
omiolo 4 months ago
If anyone wants to a link to see a factual map of the book of Mormon lands just ask me.
LDS4Life71 4 months ago
@LDS4Life71 ---just find one Lamanite, and we will be happy.
Rypaul5217 4 months ago
@Rypaul5217 LOL again I have the correct map. You don't have squat.
LDS4Life71 4 months ago
@LDS4Life71 yeah, and I have the map of JR Token's "Lord of the Rings"...lol!
Rypaul5217 4 months ago
@Rypaul5217 I have your map to hell. The LORD is going to hew you down and have you cast into the fire. LOL!
LDS4Life71 4 months ago
@LDS4Life71 --get a grip. the heart of a fool is full of hateful illusion,
Rypaul5217 4 months ago
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@Rypaul5217 Psalm 85:10-11
New King James Version (NKJV) 10 Mercy and truth have met together; Righteousness and peace have kissed. 11 Truth shall spring out of the earth, And righteousness shall look down from heaven.
A revelation for the book of mormon. Tell me, ignoramus, how does this scripture apply to your false religion? LOL
"out of the earth." You guys think your three headed trinitarian anthropomorphic goo jebus came from the ground?
LDS4Life71 4 months ago
@LDS4Life71---not knowing who the Lamanites were or where the hell are they, but eminating it as if they were in fact a LARGE nation of Native Americans, this is grasping at staws, in fact its like looking for a needle in a phoney hay stack. lol.
such is the illusion of any fantasy book. There is simply nothing to base it on.
Rypaul5217 4 months ago
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@Rypaul5217 His ideas were given him from above, and he restored long lost truths.
Revelation 14:6-7 is directly linking Joseph Smith and the book of Mormon.
You got nothing, and are not a true christian. Only the Latter Day Saints.
LDS4Life71 4 months ago
@LDS4Life71---"Today if the book Of Mormon was to be taken to trial, the DNA evidence would implicate Joseph Smith as an imposter." Thomas Murphy, PHD Archaeologist
but J Smith was already implicated for his money digging deeds, and for fraud. so there you go. We know them by their fruits.
Rypaul5217 4 months ago
@LDS4Life71---if you want coicidence, I have a couple for you to look at...I did a study one time on word frequencies of the Bom..Only 3 words appear 96 times in the Bom .These 3 words are rather interesting to read "Devil"
became light, hmmm an Angel of light .Likewise It is also interesting that the number 5 is the number of Satan, (well known in numerology) and the Devil is the father of lies, so the number of times the word Father appears in the BoM is 555. Coincidence?
Rypaul5217 5 months ago
@Rypaul5217 you are grasping at straws. The book withstood the US court system of law. The lawyer couldn't pick apart the BoM. How can you? lol
LDS4Life71 5 months ago
@LDS4Life71 Therefore, your Nahom agument is also grasping at straws. yet you guys have not located a single book of Mormon city or a single Lamanite with Hebrew DNA or any rusty steel swords anywhere or even a chariot, or even any proof of any person place or event associated with the Bom Steel btw was a Joe day metal, not of the American natives, steel is not iron ore. And yet we do know of how and where the Bible came from and have no doubt of the people associated with real history.
Rypaul5217 4 months ago
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@LDS4Life71 ---yeah and there was a port called Moroni on the Comoras [ his Commorah?] Islands near Madacascar.Africa, I check this spot on the famous 1808 world map, and its there too, so is this just a coincidence?
Rypaul5217 5 months ago
Book of mormon and all other books of mormonism do not carry the mormon theories. All scriptures must be according to Word and Spirit in YHWH.
reliinfo 5 months ago
@LDS4Life71---Nahum is a book in the Bible.
Rypaul5217 5 months ago
@Rypaul5217 Well it Nahom is a spot on the Arabian peninsula, but In Joseph's day it was found on zero US maps.
LDS4Life71 5 months ago
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Rypaul5217 5 months ago
@LDS4Life71-- No, more than one evidence shows us that Joe simply wrote his own storybook novel reading from his hat, (letting a peek of light through to see pages of writing) This is why there are hundreds of King James Bible verses copied into his book, including St Paul and why there is no stone box, or plates, or Smith language, or hill battle, and since we now know that 99.4 % of the American native Indians DNA is from NE Asian descent, then where the heck is just one Lamanite? LOL!
Rypaul5217 5 months ago
@Rypaul5217 Nahom is irrefutable proof for the book of Mormon.
Teotihuacan : The place where men become gods
Was a Nephite city, and found empty. The temple of Quetzacoatl, the white bearded God, will reveal the world that the ancient meso americans performed celestial weddings and did temple work there.
LDS4Life71 5 months ago
The Book of Mormon is a volume of holy scripture comparable to the Bible and is a record of God's dealings with His chosen people in the New World. The main purpose of the Book of Mormon is "to the convincing of Jew and Gentile that JESUS is the CHRIST, the ETERNAL GOD, manifesting himself unto all nations." (Book of Mormon Title Page) It was written by ancient American prophets for our day (Mormon 8:35) and is an American testament of the Lord Jesus Christ.
LDS4Life71 5 months ago
One must be part of the Qahal YHWH not of a denomination.
reliinfo 5 months ago
It is funny how Mormons say they are Christian but Christians say Mormons aren't, funny. Just thought I should mention it. Oh could you tell me how to get to heaven?
CorranHorn3331 6 months ago
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@LDS4Life71---The Father is the God of Isreal and the God of Moses, the same God who called out Abraham and gave us His only begotten Son. "For God so loved the world" Jn 3:16 Christ referred to Him when he was conversing with the Jews, see Luke 20: 37-38, and Acts 2:13-22...Jesus was one with the living and true God. the only God of the Bible. the Lord God, with whom we are to worship with all of our heart, soul, mind, and strength.
Rypaul5217 6 months ago
@LDS4Life71---have fun.
Rypaul5217 6 months ago
@LDS4Life71--- I rest my case. : )
Rypaul5217 6 months ago
@Rypaul5217 I hope you'll get a real hobby and show us that your anti mormon websites are FALSE just as you are anti christ. AND NOT born again, and NOT God's.
LDS4Life71 6 months ago
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@LDS4Life71 ---you said "The feathered serpent is Aztec, and not Maya. Get your facts straight. The Maya believed in a WHITE BEARDED GOD".
ok so does this mean that the Feathered Serpent Quetzalcoatl god is not the White Bearded god? Do you have anything in that brain of yours?
Rypaul5217 6 months ago
@LDS4Life71---need less to say, a psuedo brain is one who assumes and boasts against his own assumptions and preconceived notions without clear and understandable facts. A psuedo is also arrogant, self reliant, bold, prejudiced, and an omnipotent fool.
Rypaul5217 6 months ago
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LDS4Life71 6 months ago
@LDS4Life71---I read a book on Mayan and mezo-American-Aztec history at a local book store today...curious is that the legend of Quetzacoatl is that this "man" commited suicide by lighting himself on a bomb fire, all dress up as a high priestly king and everything..LOL! Well there goes your Christ is Quezie theory up in smoke. literally, LOL!
Rypaul5217 6 months ago
@LDS4Life71---Needless to say, more and more I am seeing that your lack of knowledge is becoming your precipys, for as the pit in your stomach starts to twist and turn, you resort to cursing the learned and educated men of reason and understanding and.are only making yourself look like a contentious idiot and a mindless fool.
Rypaul5217 6 months ago
@Rypaul5217 So glad I'm not a contentious idiot and not a mindless fool.
LDS4Life71 6 months ago
@LDS4Life71 ---It is what others think of you that counts, not what you think of yourself, for without a heart your as hollow as an argry bee hive. [The Tin Man in OZ]
Rypaul5217 6 months ago
Mormons are NOT Christians
jayhawk88z 6 months ago
@jayhawk88z You are NOT Christian. LDS are the epitomy of Christian. Get over yourself, loser.
LDS4Life71 6 months ago
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@jayhawk88z It's a scriptural fact that God speaks to us through prophets. That is what prophets are there for - to testify of Christ.
Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
1 Chronicles 16:22 Saying, Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm.
I don't trust in the arm of flesh. I have faith in God through my knowledge of the scriptures which exist because of Prophets like Amos, Isaiah, Joseph and Brigham.
LDS4Life71 6 months ago
@LDS4Life71 ---look up WIKI = "Quetalcoatl" First thing siad is "The worship of a feathered serpent deity is first documented in Teotihuacan in the Late Preclassic through the Early Classic period (400 BCE–600CE) of Mesoamerican chronology— whereafter it appears to have spread throughout Mesoamerica by the Late Classic (600–900 CE) .[ WIKI ]
Rypaul5217 6 months ago
@Rypaul5217 The Mayan name is Kukulkan. Look him up. White Bearded God.
LDS4Life71 6 months ago
@Rypaul5217 Wiki is not a good source. Anyone can edit it.
LDS4Life71 6 months ago
@LDS4Life71---I believe Wiki to be reliable for the bibliography it represents, because it gives more that one reference to the effectual meaning. However there are also other sites that say the same thing "Archaeologists uncovered the Temple of Quetzalcoatl early in this century at the ancient ruins of Teotihuacan, just north of Mexico City."[phenixmansonry org - the order of Quetzacoatl]
and by Google "The Temple of Quetzalcoatl" There is a mexican tour to that Teotihuacan location.
Rypaul5217 6 months ago
@Rypaul5217 WIKI is UNRELIABLE
LDS4Life71 6 months ago
@LDS4Life71 ---hey if dont believe me or WiKI, simply google "The temple of Quetzalcoatl" is all there site after site after site that this temple was discovered in the Teotihuacan location,
Rypaul5217 6 months ago
@Rypaul5217 It's the same temple where three rooms have been found underneath, and the archaeologist think they are going to find tombs of rulers, but in fact are going to find in the temple of Quetzacoatl that the meso americans were doing temple work anciently with Christ's early church that was abandoned after 200AD, and the tunnel to the 3 rooms were sealed up. But mark my words. The archaeologists will find a sealing room and baptismal font for the dead.
LDS4Life71 6 months ago
@LDS4Life71---One room was for human sacrifice and the other two rooms were crypts below it ...so? Don't boast of what you don't have. It makes you look like a moron.
Rypaul5217 6 months ago
@Rypaul5217 They won't find any human sacrifice. you are just making up lies. So just like you. liar.
The 3 rooms underneath Teotihuacan's temple will show that they did temple work anciently.
LDS4Life71 6 months ago
@Rypaul5217 ZERO proof to back up anything YOU say...
LOL
NO sources either LOL
YOU ARE A LIAR
JOSEPH SMITH AND BRIGHAM YOUNG WERE TRUE PROPHETS OF GOD
LDS4Life71 6 months ago
@Rypaul5217 I'm not the moron. The chambers haven't had anyone inside them yet. You are the one that sounds like a moron.
LDS4Life71 6 months ago
@Rypaul5217 "Teotihuacan," which means "the place where men become gods."
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omiolo 6 months ago
@LDS4Life71---Just goes to show how the author of this storybook knew a great deal about Jesus and his blood, his cross and the meaning of the New Testement gospel teaching on the atonement. though he tried to mask his own words behind fictional characterizations and storybook fiction, as such, but its just Joe's own voice throughout these passages about what he read about Jesus directly from the King James Bible, therefore he simply assimulated the material into his own.
Rypaul5217 6 months ago
@LDS4Life71 LOL!! I am afraid you are going to be very disappointed. They have yet to find anything that has any evidence of the nephites..
TheChristiankat 6 months ago
Ugh!! It is so frustrating trying to post comments from a phone!
TheChristiankat 6 months ago
Ugh! so frustrating trying to post comments from a phone!
TheChristiankat 6 months ago
@LDS4Life71 I mean NOT cumstantial.
TheChristiankat 6 months ago
@LDS4Life71 Sorry, I mean NOT circumstantial.
TheChristiankat 6 months ago
@LDS4Life71 you make a bold faced claim, but show me a scholar that has evidence to support that the facts surrounding the city are in accordance with the city in the bom. Make it circumstantial. Btw, if you were trying to answer my question to if God has sinned, you failed to do so. You got a little of f subject.
TheChristiankat 6 months ago
@TheChristiankat Recently found due to a rain a tunnel that was sealed up underneath the temple of Quetzacoatl, the white bearded God, that appeared them and taught them. Sealed up around 200-250AD are three rooms from the tunnel. Archaeologists THINK they are going to find tombs of kings of the place, but IN fact the people had 12 judges and not kings. Therefore they won't find any tombs. They are going to find it's a TEMPLE and they did TEMPLE work as we do today.
Think about it.
LDS4Life71 6 months ago
@LDS4Life71 and I don't mean scripture by s false prophet!
TheChristiankat 6 months ago
LDS4Life71 Heavenly parents????!!!! Where in the world does any scripture day that we have a heavenly mother??!!
TheChristiankat 6 months ago
@TheChristiankat Teotihuacan is a Nephite city. Think about it.
LDS4Life71 6 months ago
@LDS4Life71 "The Teotihuacanos practiced human sacrifice: human bodies and animal sacrifices have been found during excavations of the pyramids at Teotihuacan. Scholars believe that the people offered human sacrifices as part of a dedication when buildings were expanded or constructed." [Wiki ref #22]
yup, this is something to think about all right, these people made these sacrifices to Quetzalcoatl the feathered serpent. LOL!
Rypaul5217 6 months ago
@Rypaul5217 The Teotihuacans didn't practice it till after 250AD. Alma 34:10 The prophet of God speaks about human sacrifice as the people began doing it. They didn't always practice it, but it was implemented because of the wickedness and degeneration spiritually of the people, and to control the masses.
Just as the book of Mormon tells.
LDS4Life71 6 months ago
@LDS4Life71 "The last sacrifce"? Have you really read Alma 34:10 or did you look in the index and saw the word sacrifice...here is just joe writing about Jesus's atonement saying that it was not a sacrifice of men or beast, or fowl---interesting is that Joe said in verse 9 that "a atonement must be made or else all mankind must unavoidably perish"...but this is in direct contradiction to what Joe made Jesus do at the time of the atonement...that is cause the destruction of many to perish. eh?
Rypaul5217 6 months ago
@Rypaul5217 Alma 34:10
10For it is expedient that there should be a great and last asacrifice; yea, not a sacrifice of man, neither of beast, neither of any manner of fowl; for it shall not be a human sacrifice; but it must be an infinite and eternal sacrifice.
LDS4Life71 6 months ago
@Rypaul5217 The feathered serpent is Aztec, and not Maya. Get your facts straight. The Maya believed in a WHITE BEARDED GOD.
LDS4Life71 6 months ago
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Rypaul5217 6 months ago
@Rypaul5217 the distinction between the two has become blurred, by men, and the craftiness of Satan.
LDS4Life71 6 months ago
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LDS4Life71 6 months ago
@omiolo has God ever sinned?
TheChristiankat 6 months ago
@TheChristiankat Genesis 3: 22 - ¶And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: - So by partaking of the fruit we DID become as one of them (capable of knowing both Good and Evil) but also our potential to become like our heavenly parents would be set forth thanks to the savior by obedience to the laws of God = Jesus
LDS4Life71 6 months ago
@omiolo Mormon bachelorette won't last more than one episode. She will just marry all 22 of them!
TheChristiankat 6 months ago
Missionaries creating buzz in Australian rugby
Mormon Times
omiolo 6 months ago
Though he has yet to knock on anyone's front door, Fredette, 22, has been called the greatest Mormon missionary in the world. He may some day become the face of the Kings franchise, but he is already one of the most visible faces of his faith. ...
omiolo 6 months ago
@omiolo---You did got my point didnt you? I repeat...You do know about the murderer Orrin Porter Rockwell dont you? How about the murderer by the name of Bill Hickman how he "killed Yates with an ax to his brains".So here we are again...You do read history dont you? Its VERY INTERESTING. especially about the life of all these murderers who were also Mormons working for Brigham Young who wanted Yates dead as confessed by his son Joseph A Young. ["Brigham destroying Angel" pp 122-126]
Rypaul5217 6 months ago
@Rypaul5217 "You do know about the murderer Orrin Porter Rockwell dont you?"
ALL rumor. OP Rockwell ONLY killed those with a legal bounty on their head.
omiolo 6 months ago
mormons r not christian or of the christian church i would like to debate with u on this lol. the idea of LDS completely contradicts with the idea of christianity...y do u think Joseph Smith left the christian chruch?
trent22184 6 months ago
@trent22184 hey tren ton... you watch weird things....
7kaseychey7 6 months ago
This year's Mormon Bachelorette is Ashley Chapman, 27, from Mesa, Arizona, who is hoping to find love, Mormon style. The new Fox 10 show will follow Ashley as she goes on dates with the guys in her quest to find a new partner - and a hubby. .
omiolo 6 months ago
Just when you thought you'd heard it all - along comes the Mormon Bachelorette.
In an new concept for the reality TV dating show arena, 'The Mormon Bachelorette' seeks to pair up a Mormon woman with one of 22 suitors - all Mormons of course - whilst eschewing the raunchy exploits of most other TV dating shows and following the rules of the Jesus Christ Church of Latter Day Saints (LDS).
omiolo 6 months ago
So who's responsible for all this non-traditional recruiting? That would be BYU football recruiting coordinator and running backs coach Joe DuPaix, seen after the jump hypnotizing you as he stands in front of the Brigham Young Wall of Illusion.
omiolo 6 months ago
18 of BYU's 19 signees from the class of 2011 are members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. The 19th player is linebacker Bobby Wolford, a self-described devout Catholic. Wolford is just one of many non-LDS players who have offers from the Cougars.
omiolo 6 months ago
You probably just assume everyone who plays football BYU is a card-carrying Mormon. And traditionally, that might have been true. But these days, the religion of college football wins trumps even Mormonism.
omiolo 6 months ago
In this Mormon moment, LDS Church history blooms
omiolo 6 months ago
@omiolo And the name on that momument is (drum roll please!.......... )
Orrin Porter Rockwell.
Rypaul5217 6 months ago
@Rypaul5217 WHAT?
omiolo 6 months ago
@omiolo ---um you read history dont you? This Mormon was called "mormon's avenging angel" and was Joe Smith's personal body guard and friend...was the main suspect in the shooting of the Govenor Boggs
(confessed by his wife that he did it ) and muderer of over 100 men according to the Salt Lake Tribune and other documents in Utah. and to top it off---there is a building in SLC named after him...lol! --What? yes what...what a wonderful monument for any murderer. Remember him always. LOL!
Rypaul5217 6 months ago
@Rypaul5217 "um you read history dont you?"
ONE time in grade school.......
omiolo 6 months ago
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Rypaul5217 6 months ago
White will be in Utah this week speaking to aspiring musicians at the Soundcheck Series in Salt Lake City, followed by a concert in Provo the next day. She's kicking off a tour with pop rock artist Jack Matranga, with whom she recently recorded an EP called "Gemini." Future tour stops include Rexburg, Idaho, and Lake Forest, Calif. .
omiolo 6 months ago
Brooke White, a Latter-day Saint singer from Mesa, Ariz., who gained fame on "American Idol" when she told former judge Simon Cowell that she had never watched an R-rated movie, is now well down the winding road of the music industry.
And it's a road she's had to navigate with faith and a music style that is less than conventional.
omiolo 6 months ago
White's 'not normal' life requires faith, prayer
Mormon Times
omiolo 6 months ago
"Yea, heavy destruction awaiteth this people, and it surely cometh unto this people, and nothing can save this people save it be repentance and faith on the Lord Jesus Christ, who surely shall come into the world, and shall suffer many things and shall be slain for his people."
Repeating the phrase "this people" six times in two sentences was, I thought, boring, even embarrassing, and definitely very poor style.
omiolo 6 months ago
@omiolo This writing is in part a Hebrew form and they repeat very often. look in the Bible its the same, much repetition.
scottwins2 6 months ago
@scottwins2 "a Hebrew form"
What do you mean? I was posting part of an article by Daniel Peterson.
omiolo 6 months ago
@omiolo This people, and it came to pass, etc many phrases repeat in the Srciptures because of the hebrew influence.
scottwins2 6 months ago
Just like the Catholic Church...Mormonism is a RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION-
Note he never testified that Jesus was literally "GOD in the Flesh"... 100% God and 100% man -uniquely different from all other men now and forever and worthy of praise and adoration...Lord of Lords...When Mormons affirm the unique DEITY identity of the God-Man-Jesus the only one of his Kind the second person of the God-head- ONLY THEN will they or anyone be considered a TRUE Christian according to the holy Scriptures.
timoteotime 6 months ago
@timoteotime This is ONLY a small portion of his sermon. to pretend like it is all inclusive is IGNORANT on your part.
omiolo 6 months ago
"I would that ye should come unto Christ, who is the Holy One of Israel, and partake of his salvation, and the power of his redemption. Yea, come unto him, and offer your whole souls as an offering unto him, and continue in fasting and praying, and endure to the end; and as the Lord liveth ye will be saved." Joseph Smith Jr.
scottwins2 6 months ago
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Rypaul5217 6 months ago
Church Leaders Break Ground for Fort Lauderdale Florida Temple
omiolo 6 months ago
The choir will perform seven concerts in seven days, in Norfolk, Virginia; Washington, D.C.; Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; Chautauqua, New York and Toronto, Ontario, Canada. .
omiolo 6 months ago
Teens reenact Mormon pioneer trek west
omiolo 7 months ago
@omiolo Trust the Bible as the word of the one true living God.
Isaiah 43:10 I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isaiah 44:8 Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.
Isaiah 45:5-6 I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me.
John 17:3 That they might know thee the only true God.
Deuteronomy 4:35 Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him.
imbiased 6 months ago
@imbiased "Trust the Bible as the word of the one true living God."
what you REALLY mean, is trust YOUR interpretation of the Bible and follow your Trinity, your god who is an ESSENCE.
When you come to REALLY mean what you say, we would be worshiping the same God and BOTH be able to use the ENTIRE Bible.
omiolo 6 months ago
@omiolo No, I mean exactly what I said. You have yet to refute my allegations and evidence. What part of the Bible am I not using?
imbiased 6 months ago
A GROUP of Mormon visitors from the USA received a warm welcome in Ledbury this week. The group, from Salt Lake City, spent about two hours in Ledbury on Monday (June 13). They were greeted by town crier Bill 'The Bell' Turberfield and mayor Allen
omiolo 7 months ago
The problem with this video is that it leaves out the part about Mormons claiming, as per their own prophets, that Jesus and Satan were brothers, dark skinned people are a cursed people who represent Satan on earth and that we as humans will become Gods if we follow their Churches rituals.
BTW, even Satan knows that Jesus is the son of God, this does not save you. Believe in him and love one another. Those are his commandments. You cant earn your way into heaven with tithe, Its not FOR SALE.
imbiased 7 months ago
@imbiased "Mormons claiming, as per their own prophets, that Jesus and Satan were brothers"
I can NOT seem to find that in our books that contain our doctrine, our Holy Scriptures. In fact, the Holy Scriptures seem to say the OPPOSITE of that.
omiolo 7 months ago
@omiolo Just a few examples.
Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, page 744
Spencer W. Kimball, Conference Report, April 1964, Pg.95
Joseph Smith, Doctrines of Salvation Vol.2, Pg.218 -Pg.219
Discourses of Brigham Young, on Pg.53-54
John A. Widtsoe, Evidences and Reconciliations, Pg.209
James E. Talmage, "Jesus the Christ," Pages 132 & 133
The Articles of Faith' by James E. Talmage, p. 466 claims that Elohim (the Father) came down in the flesh &had sex with Mary. This is adultery. Shall I Go on?
imbiased 6 months ago
My father has been an amazing force for good in my life in serving as an unwavering example of gospel principles in action and remaining steadfast in his witness for the truth regardless of circumstance. I remember many times as a young boy traveling with my father to cutting-horse contests throughout the United States
omiolo 7 months ago
He never missed an opportunity to teach life lessons and to understand my questions. Our goal at the contests was always to do our best and make the finals. The finals, however, were held on Sundays, and never once in my life did we stay to compete on the Sabbath day. My dad stayed to help all of the other contestants late into the night on Saturday, and then we quietly yet unapologetically loaded our horses and drove early into the morning to be home in time for church each Sunday. . .
omiolo 7 months ago
WHERE does Jesus say the NEW Covenant church is to have 2 LDS clergy priesthoods- specifically? Where does he teach an earthly PROPHET will be ABOVE the 12 apostles in rank? WHERE does he teach NT church will TOTALLY apostatize & won't exist until 1830 w/Smith & Mormonism as the only true church organization? Acts 17:11 teaches TEST living apostles by written scripture, not just Jesus' words. Jesus quotes Deut 6:4- HEB:"Here O Israel: Yahweh our Elohim is ONE Yahweh"]- 1 NOT 2 Gods +other Gods
harry4health 7 months ago
SPRINGVILLE, Utah -- Mormonism in Cultural Contexts will be a symposium on June 18 in honor of Richard Lyman Bushman's 80th birthday.
The symposium will be at the Springville Museum of Art in Springville. Bushman is one of the general editors on the Joseph Smith Papers Project.
omiolo 7 months ago
Stop saying you guys are Christians because your not you dont have the same beliefs of a Christian
bobbyraejohnson 7 months ago
@bobbyraejohnson NOT only are we Christian but we are the ENSIGN of Christianity. REPENT!
omiolo 7 months ago
@omiolo--no, Smith's god is a man theology is not Christian, See Rom 1:22-25 There is not one Bible scripture that says that the Lord God of Isreal, the Almighty God, The Creator of all the universe, was / is a created creature or a baby born from out of a woman womb. On the contrary, the Bible says in Hosea 11:9 "I am God and not man, the Holy One in the mdst of thee." And Jesus said "God is SPIRIT and they that worship him must worship Him in spirit and in truth"Jn 4:24.God always was God.
Rypaul5217 7 months ago
@Rypaul5217 "god is a man theology is not Christian"
actually MOST EVANGELICALS that I know say God is a man. Many LDS say that after God was crucified and ressurrected and exalted, He was NO longer man. You are too busy ATTACKING the Mormons to know theology. Radical Muslim???
omiolo 7 months ago
@omiolo The incarnation? Christ is the Son of God... the Son of Who? So who was I talking about here? The Father of all things Eternal. So your comment didnt relate to how God was to have been born to be a baby out of a women. but if Almighty God you say had a mother, Then Who was THEE Almighty God before your Elohim-man was born on a Earth-like planet?
Its just that your so called theology doesnt make a bit of sense in light of what the Bible teaches about the only God of all things.
Rypaul5217 7 months ago