After reading the below comments, I would like to say that the Assassins were not anti-religion. They were anti-ignorance. They were complete proponents of freedom of speech and opinion--this includes religious beliefs. What they were against, was religion being used as a tool to stifle critical reasoning. I would guess the majority of them were either atheists, agnostics, or universalists... but given what they stood for, I don't think they would have conformed to a single label.
@ImmortaISun I agree. in short wether they thought like their master thinking the entire world around them was a dirty trick or trying to examine the world like the recentl agnostic Altiar, they were all anti-tyranny.
Is it not easy to discern from their actions? They never struck out against religion itself, or tried to convince/force people to adhere to any one belief system, even though it was well within their power to do so. As Altair said, "Men must be free to do what they believe. It is not our right to punish them for thinking what they do, no matter how much we disagree."
@tYlK0o1sO1kG0vN7a1I1 Most accounts of the real life Assassins were written by their enemies. According to more recent research by historians (looking at unbiased documents), the group was actually no worse than any other fighters involved in the Crusades. Assassin's Creed the game was based off of this perspective, though naturally they embellished the story.
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i dont get it why arent ther these kind of templars in assassin's creed 2 and 3? they have absolutly diferent uniforms in 2 and 3 and they still call thereselves templars lol
@USDMcat They were also centered around Syria (Masyaf) that was a real place it was almost two orders in one that compete with each other "Arabs" in Syria and "Persians" in whats today Iran Alamut
I don't get it, why do ppl assume that Caucasian == christian ? Race and religion should be viewed as 2 separate entities. The assassin's order do not align themselves with any religion at all.
@melvinthedeathless Yes, I agree, especially when it clearly says at the beginning of the game: "Made by people from different backgrounds" I'm paraphrasing, but whatever. My point retains it's meaning.
@melvinthedeathless Truth in that, but in Assassin's Creed 1, most of the Assassins are muslim. But some are otherwse, like Altair, he isn't really anything. In Creed II and Brotherhood Ezio is catholic. But I agree with what you said.
@KireektheAndroid Ezio isnt Catholic I dont think you found anny major character religious neither templars or assassins since religion is a lie they are mostly if not all atheists. Altair apparently is muslim aswell and so is Robert Catholic but that is what creators of the game wants we to do think in early in game to find out the "truth" in end
@ImperialGuard9001 Altair loses his beliefs throughout his life if you read through all his Codex and do a lot of research. And yes, Ezio is Catholic. Look it up.
@KireektheAndroid I have the Codex and read it XD it was the Apple Ezio that was consuming Altair... I dont think Ezio is Catholic if so he never show it.
@melvinthedeathless actually assassins are free to shose a religion but they don't urge themself in a lifestyle of religion .. meaning they don't pray, they don't go to any shirine , but some of us do feel remores for what have done before and take punishment for that....
@melvinthedeathless Race and Religion and of course Economics Social Political and Military mix all the time is just Human history as for Assassins they were Radical islamtists so no they were alligned with a religion and that religion was Islam. Now the Assassins from AC are of course almost atheists since religion is a false creation all that Jesus Moses or Muhammed Budha etc defended was a lite
@melvinthedeathless The assassin's order does (did) align themselves with a particular religion, in the game as well as in history. They are based off of the Muslim sect the Nizari Ismailis, a breakaway from Shia Islam. The character model for Al Muaylim supposedly deluded his followers into believing that the land that he owed was part of a heavenly paradise and promised them heaven for loyal submission (Islam means submission).
@melvinthedeathless Um, actually, the assassins in assassins creed are based on the Hashishin. The Hashishin were a collective of assassins following a sect of Islam. So, historically, the assassins were Muslim : ) (In title, in ethics is arguable)
@hsadman2 They were an athiestic society keened on protecting the pieces of eden and stopping the themplars.But they were based ont he evil hashashin order.
@Varyalover They are literally the Hashishin....they do the same actions the Hashishin did, and with that, it 's reasonable to believe they are Muslims. Also...why do you call them evil? They never killed innocents (In actuality) so I see no reason to believe them to be evil. Everyone has a agenda they want to push, if they go about it without harming innocents, what would be wrong with it if it brings prosperity?
@hsadman2 Well, perosnally I dislike them for murdering COnrad and framing Richard.However, the evil part was misleading. While being based on the hashashin, the assassin order, knows (mostly) about hte templars and their beleifs, which has been proven rue once they recovered the piece of eden, Al Mualim goes through the religous figures that used the piece of eden. Eliminating the beleifs.
@hsadman2 word , I mean they were playing with fire , Do you know that after the war of the saracens and the crusaders , saladin lead his troops to masyaf and finished all the assassins there
@ezioauditore392 actually they forced Saladin to retreat by sneaking into his camp and placing a poisoned cake in his tent. the Assassins were actally destroyed by the Mongols in the late 14th century.
@09smitel Really !? , i read an article that said assassins were destroyed by the saracens , Ridiculous i am from masyaf yet idk the history of the assassins very well
@Varyalover The templars don't have any beliefs. They are atheists in the game, since they (and Al Mualim) believe that the piece of Éden is responsible for all religions. But since that hasn't been proven, one could say that their belief lies on the pieces of Éden and "those who came before". Altair defends that everyone should be free of choosing and having their beliefs, be it God, Ala, or anything else...
@melvinthedeathless The assassin order is actually a Jewish secret society responsible for their own genocide and the global warming. This is all revealed in the next AC.
@melvinthedeathless The Hashashin, whom I think the Assassins in the game are supposed to portray, were Nizari Isma'ilis that often fought corrupt corrupt Emirs, particularly among the Seljuqs. They originally offered to convert to Christianity to the Crusaders, but they denied them and killed quite a number of them, hence their hatred of the Crusaders/Templars historically. Regardless, they /were/ Isma'ili Shi'ah.
@melvinthedeathless Because Normaly Religions are associate with People that most contribute to it thus the most powerfull is obious that were the Europeans not the Middle Easterns or Ethopians that became the most powerfull Christians of them all and more influnce the religion. Catholocism Orthodoxism Protestanism were probaly not the forms of Christniaty envisoned by Peter Paul and other apostotele were they? I mean just see the simply fact that Christ is always reprensend as White European!
@melvinthedeathless The Real Assassins Order were Radical Ismalists of Nizari Ismailis stock so they had a religion it was Islam! Altough a sect of Islam. Contrary to Popular belief in West Islam is realy divided in many sects and traditions it isnt a uniform entendy and the Assassins were just another radical group that appear inside Islam in fact many seam them as first users of terror as a political tool in Islam by usage of Assassination
@ImperialGuard9001 I wouldnt classify them as radical Islamists exactly. The ones your referring to took on "contracts" from both muslims and christians. Their ideals werent driven by religion. I would consider them more free thinking than the majority of religious sects at the time. They had their own agenda more or less.
We are talking about the Assassins of AC or the Real life Assassins? No. They were radical Nizari Ismailis the reason why they used Assassination is because of survival they were a minority so all their progess is always as minority a reason why their deeds are amazing they coulnt own entire kingdmons but they had hundred of castles and "slepper cells" all over Muslim World as all other Muslim they fough other Muslims aswell but this doesnt mean they werent Muslim
Or isnt Saladin a muslim? Or Nur al din? Or Zangi? They were all muslims and all fough other muslims the "unification by Saladin" has many things to add Saladin never unified Zangis lands that remain in zangi hands and Damascus only open his doors to Nur Al din becuase of immediate threat of Crusades people that Damascus had trade and had excelent relations with is same thing with Assassins they probaly woulnt even mess around with Crusaders if they werent in their doorstep
"Contracts" has much things to say... For whats its worth they are many contracts reported by Muslims and none by Christians. I woulnt call it tough a contract it was more aggrement of two parties indeed Assassins made oaths with others but was always in way to achieve their objectives aswell if somone was beneficied so be it enemy of my enemy is my friend wasnt uncomom for Assassins enemy in morning be a friend in aftertnoon Middle East was a political mess in this time aswell
Just see Saladin as a example he star as "enemy of the Assassins" and end up being an essencial ally so much that many "assassin" chorniclers reported that Assassins actualy heped in Holy Jihad against Crusaders by Saladin and things like that the strike at King of Jerusalem Conrad is a example of how Assassins were comited to help Saladin. Of course "Syrian assassins" that are ones in AC that were in Masyaf end up serving Mameluks and Sultans like Baibars King Edward was reported to be
Attacked by an Assassins arrow while their Eastern Counterparts in Alamut that were original Assassins that eventualy expand to Syria and hence Masyaf end up being absorved by Mongols in Il Khanate and communities of nizari ismaelites trully survive to nowsday they are reports of Ismaelites in Ottoman Empire and "Persian" Empire maybe the Assassins never actualy dissapear they were Ismaelite Communities in Afeganistan fighing Soviets!
Who classfied them as "radical islamists" and even as medieval "terrorists" wasnt me but Schoolars Intelectuals and Historians such as Bernard Lewis that has a excelent book on Assassins called The Assassins: a radical sect in Islam. Altough I would restrain from using the word of terrorists the Assassins never strike Inocents at least Muslim the Creed realy existed but I dont know if they apply to "Foreing Christian Invaders" that were seen as barbaric unholy hordes
@ImperialGuard9001 Though I agree I wouldn't classify them as terrorists either. The Saracens and Crusaders caused more of that then the Assassins did. Hashashin, Assasiyun, it's a little obscure even now about the true name, assassin works fine for me. Their library was destroyed though, and most information about them went with it. Honestly will probably never know any complete truth about them. Suppose a secret society is secretive for a reason.
@goulter1985 Majority of them would have been muslims as most of them were middle eastern born, there goal wasn't islamically driven though. It is well known that this sect of Assassins did assassinate people for both the invading crusaders and the saracens. Their goals were their own, independant of religion. That's partly why Neitzche wrote of them as few of the true free thinkers of the world at the time. They were one of the few groups not following religious doctrine and propaganda.
@goulter1985 They were indeed radical Muslims, they may have fought for both sides (but it should be noted that during the third Crusade Orthodox Christians fought with the Muslims against the Catholics as well) but their primary enemies where the Abbasids because they felt that Sunni Muslims where "to secular"
@MrDiem2 Their ideals dont necessarily dictate that they were radical muslims. E.g if a Christian murders someone, it doesn't necessarily make them a radical Christian. I think people are stuck in the idea that anyone involved in the crusades didnt have ideals independent of religion. From all the information I've read, few of their practices weren't very in line with Islamic ideals. On a personal basis they mostly would have been muslim, collectively though, they seemed driven by their own idea
@goulter1985 They were radical Muslims in the way that their primary hatred was directed towards the Abbasid Sunni Muslims, why? Because they felt that Sunni Islam was to secular, so they killed for a more radical form of Islam, Shia. If that is not radical Islam, then what is? They fought with the Crusaders because they to fought against the Saracens, likewise the Christian nation Byzantine fought with the Saracens (in the 3rd Crusade) against other Christians because they hated Catholics
Now the assassins from AC are probaly atheists xD I dont know for sure I think the "first" assassins at least the ones from AC 1 are Muslim you hear them caling out Infidel and Heretic various times and Al Mualim uses the word God various times aswell if you remember the first leap of faith Al mualim says "Go to God" so I think Assassins in AC origianly were Muslims perhaps Altair was one that change it I dont know but doenst matterr much religion is a lie in AC universe
@VisigothViking Yes it's a game, and a book is just a book, and a movie is just a movie, a song is just a song and a story is just a story, you can play the game and ignore the message if you feel like it, just play for fun, can still be atheist propaganda?
In AC1 it's not so evident, but in AC2 it even ends with "there is no God, and Adam and Eve were created by aliens not God"
@MrDiem2 Have you ever heard of the concept of trying to make a game with an interesting storyline? And correction, not aliens, Those Who Came Before. Also, if it is "aliens" as you say, then it would not be atheist propaganda, it would be scientologist propaganda.
@TellEmB290 It is still a very atheist oriented game, especially since it attacks the modern religions , it even says Jesus was just a human being who fooled everybody with the apple, and the Assassins are very clearly anti-religion (even though the real Assasins were radical Muslims) and although I am not some religious nut-job, I still think the game is complete crap because it's just not my kind of game, if you like it then by all means go ahead and play it. Jesper Kyd is fantastic though
@MrDiem2 What's wrong with having an atheist oriented game or "atheist propaganda" as you put it, in a world where churches and other religious organizations have propaganda almost everywhere else? I went to a school where singing hymns every morning was compulsory, for example. Think about it. There are religious studies and religious schools, which have no atheist counterparts. I believe that's because organized religion stifles atheism as much as it can. Note that I say organized religion.
Vero!!! Adoro questa musica!!!*-*, quante ore passate a girovagare per gli immensi paesaggi dell' 1 ed ammirarli sulle note di questa melodia, sbaavvv!!!!!!!!*.*!!
This game had an absolutely brilliant soundtrack.
MelovElmo 3 weeks ago
Those who claim that god does not exist should be called antitheists.
Those who does not claim at all that god either exists or not should be called atheists.
tYlK0o1sO1kG0vN7a1I1 2 months ago
I love it, just finished the Hagia Sophia Secret Location in Revelations with that epic sound.
JRodDize 2 months ago
The Assassin's are like... GUNDAMS!
arospades 2 months ago
@arospades GUNDAMS are like assassins because GW is in the future :P
13Psycho13 1 month ago
@13Psycho13 Whatever you say... Anyone who watched Gundam Wing and understood it would understand the joke...
arospades 4 weeks ago
@arospades I do understand the joke, was just being an ass
13Psycho13 3 weeks ago
Nice Video. Look on my Channel there is a lot´s of music too!
YourMusikGer 2 months ago
niente è reale
tutto è lecito
scarus96 3 months ago 5
Good old times. I loved this song so much, whenever i was playing and this song started i stoped what i was doing only to hear that song
ShaniiGaming 3 months ago 5
This is one of the more beautiful soundtracks of AC1..
DonutCrossing 3 months ago in playlist Soundtracks
why does Altair have a drum?
maffeusesutbe 4 months ago
@maffeusesutbe thats the top of a helmet
Conscript626 4 months ago
@Conscript626 oh xD thanks c:
maffeusesutbe 4 months ago
@maffeusesutbe Lol it's the helmet of a templar.
chickenwing774 3 months ago
@vito015 Templar: Are you flipping me off?
Altair: No, I'm playing the drum with my blade that is also about to have the taste of your blood.
NegiMeister00 4 months ago
0:40 - 'til the end makes me feel kind of weird, I mean lol, sounds great and it likes me.
1.21-1:47 does anyone know what he is saying?
NanjuMoon 4 months ago
@NanjuMoon it's a prayer in latin.I can understand:"Gloriam altissimus..." and other words
Rolfwar 4 months ago in playlist Medieval
If you watch very carefully, it looks like Altair has a drum and his hidden blade is the drumstick and he is scaring the templar, lol!
vito015 5 months ago
il pezzo preferito inizia al minuto 1:20
Thecrafter994 5 months ago
Always remember..Laa shay'a waqui'n moutlaq bale kouloun moumkine.
konghey 5 months ago
neanche un " non mi piace!"
no dislikes!
NINTENDOSCREED 6 months ago
Hmm it's been too long since my last playthrough... *reinstalling*
WorldofWalkthroughs 6 months ago
After reading the below comments, I would like to say that the Assassins were not anti-religion. They were anti-ignorance. They were complete proponents of freedom of speech and opinion--this includes religious beliefs. What they were against, was religion being used as a tool to stifle critical reasoning. I would guess the majority of them were either atheists, agnostics, or universalists... but given what they stood for, I don't think they would have conformed to a single label.
ImmortaISun 6 months ago 51
@ImmortaISun I agree. in short wether they thought like their master thinking the entire world around them was a dirty trick or trying to examine the world like the recentl agnostic Altiar, they were all anti-tyranny.
whosplayingyou29 6 months ago
@ImmortaISun so true
OZcomingFRoo 6 months ago
@ImmortaISun Yeah I agree. This is funny becuase the REAL Assassins were quite the opposites.
SgtTarkov 6 months ago
@ImmortaISun It explains, why I recognize myself as person similar to them, while being strong believer ^^
JannetFenix 5 months ago
@ImmortaISun May i ask how you know that?
FinalFantasyCenter 4 months ago
@FinalFantasyCenter
Is it not easy to discern from their actions? They never struck out against religion itself, or tried to convince/force people to adhere to any one belief system, even though it was well within their power to do so. As Altair said, "Men must be free to do what they believe. It is not our right to punish them for thinking what they do, no matter how much we disagree."
ImmortaISun 4 months ago
@ImmortaISun I see. In that case, i agree with you.
FinalFantasyCenter 4 months ago
@ImmortaISun Why do you all regard assassins like nice guys, while IRL they were a cold-blooded zealot murderer cult?
tYlK0o1sO1kG0vN7a1I1 2 months ago
@tYlK0o1sO1kG0vN7a1I1 Most accounts of the real life Assassins were written by their enemies. According to more recent research by historians (looking at unbiased documents), the group was actually no worse than any other fighters involved in the Crusades. Assassin's Creed the game was based off of this perspective, though naturally they embellished the story.
ImmortaISun 2 months ago
@ImmortaISun Ezio often prayed to God despite meeting Juno or Minerva.
jw11cian51190 1 month ago
@ImmortaISun Exactly, religion was pretty blind during the crusades, muslims and christians were pretty much of the same belief anyways.
FlameFaggot12341 2 weeks ago
Mamma mia, che emozione risentire questi brani stupendi dopo così tanto... *_*
sayurinomoe 7 months ago
I love the game, I love the soundtrack... I hate templars
BlackandBlue1993Jc 7 months ago
@BlackandBlue1993Jc In realty they where not bad ^^
Kozuechan2894 6 months ago
Shalom
EpicHawk 8 months ago
is the asssasins really exits at that time?
23afdal 8 months ago
@23afdal yes, they existed, there were called "the nizarits", a muslim sect of the 12th century, you 'll find more informations on daylimotion! ^^
bobo93290 8 months ago
@23afdal euhh i meant wikipedia loooool
bobo93290 8 months ago
When others seek blindly for the truth. Remember. Nothing is true.
When others are bound by morale and law. Remember. Everything is permitted.
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@SHARDK2 Is that true? So will you let me assassinate you in real life?
mrm13579 3 months ago
@SHARDK2 And that's why I side with the Templars xD
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ORTmusic 9 months ago
a pina colada for my 9 fingered infidel please
blaby4ever 10 months ago
Chain mails weakens stabbing effects Altair tsk tsk tsk
IzTJDawg 10 months ago
i dont get it why arent ther these kind of templars in assassin's creed 2 and 3? they have absolutly diferent uniforms in 2 and 3 and they still call thereselves templars lol
ps3gamerful 11 months ago
The reason they are mostly muslim is because the Hashashins were centered in and around Iran.
USDMcat 1 year ago
@USDMcat They were also centered around Syria (Masyaf) that was a real place it was almost two orders in one that compete with each other "Arabs" in Syria and "Persians" in whats today Iran Alamut
ImperialGuard9001 10 months ago 2
@ImperialGuard9001 You've done your research a tad more thoroughly ;)
USDMcat 10 months ago
Al Mualim: Remember what I did to your mother
Altair: I know you got her pregnant
systemofadown54 1 year ago
Al Mualim: Remember, nothing is true...
Altaïr: And everything is permitted.
johnnybhcr 1 year ago 7
@johnnybhcr Al Mualim: Stay your blade--
Altair: --from the flesh of an innocent, I know!
Al Mualim: *slap* And stay your tongue!
NinjaPeach94 1 year ago
lol the templar is like "wtf?"
halowolfgirlpitbull 1 year ago 62
@halowolfgirlpitbull Hahaha you made me fucking die laughing
Rampagelil 9 months ago
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mrAZcardinal 1 year ago
@mrAZcardinal
I don't get it, why do ppl assume that Caucasian == christian ? Race and religion should be viewed as 2 separate entities. The assassin's order do not align themselves with any religion at all.
melvinthedeathless 1 year ago 50
@melvinthedeathless Yes, I agree, especially when it clearly says at the beginning of the game: "Made by people from different backgrounds" I'm paraphrasing, but whatever. My point retains it's meaning.
Thief8Bit 1 year ago
@melvinthedeathless Truth in that, but in Assassin's Creed 1, most of the Assassins are muslim. But some are otherwse, like Altair, he isn't really anything. In Creed II and Brotherhood Ezio is catholic. But I agree with what you said.
KireektheAndroid 1 year ago
@KireektheAndroid Ezio isnt Catholic I dont think you found anny major character religious neither templars or assassins since religion is a lie they are mostly if not all atheists. Altair apparently is muslim aswell and so is Robert Catholic but that is what creators of the game wants we to do think in early in game to find out the "truth" in end
ImperialGuard9001 10 months ago
@ImperialGuard9001 Altair loses his beliefs throughout his life if you read through all his Codex and do a lot of research. And yes, Ezio is Catholic. Look it up.
KireektheAndroid 10 months ago
@KireektheAndroid I have the Codex and read it XD it was the Apple Ezio that was consuming Altair... I dont think Ezio is Catholic if so he never show it.
ImperialGuard9001 10 months ago
@melvinthedeathless actually assassins are free to shose a religion but they don't urge themself in a lifestyle of religion .. meaning they don't pray, they don't go to any shirine , but some of us do feel remores for what have done before and take punishment for that....
Tilerkeneddy 11 months ago
@Tilerkeneddy I dont think assassins that know the truth about religion will be very religious
ImperialGuard9001 10 months ago 2
@melvinthedeathless
then why was ezio christian?
ps3gamerful 11 months ago
@melvinthedeathless Race and Religion and of course Economics Social Political and Military mix all the time is just Human history as for Assassins they were Radical islamtists so no they were alligned with a religion and that religion was Islam. Now the Assassins from AC are of course almost atheists since religion is a false creation all that Jesus Moses or Muhammed Budha etc defended was a lite
ImperialGuard9001 10 months ago
@melvinthedeathless The assassin's order does (did) align themselves with a particular religion, in the game as well as in history. They are based off of the Muslim sect the Nizari Ismailis, a breakaway from Shia Islam. The character model for Al Muaylim supposedly deluded his followers into believing that the land that he owed was part of a heavenly paradise and promised them heaven for loyal submission (Islam means submission).
nir085 10 months ago
@melvinthedeathless Um, actually, the assassins in assassins creed are based on the Hashishin. The Hashishin were a collective of assassins following a sect of Islam. So, historically, the assassins were Muslim : ) (In title, in ethics is arguable)
hsadman2 9 months ago
@hsadman2 They were an athiestic society keened on protecting the pieces of eden and stopping the themplars.But they were based ont he evil hashashin order.
Varyalover 9 months ago
@Varyalover They are literally the Hashishin....they do the same actions the Hashishin did, and with that, it 's reasonable to believe they are Muslims. Also...why do you call them evil? They never killed innocents (In actuality) so I see no reason to believe them to be evil. Everyone has a agenda they want to push, if they go about it without harming innocents, what would be wrong with it if it brings prosperity?
hsadman2 9 months ago
@hsadman2 Well, perosnally I dislike them for murdering COnrad and framing Richard.However, the evil part was misleading. While being based on the hashashin, the assassin order, knows (mostly) about hte templars and their beleifs, which has been proven rue once they recovered the piece of eden, Al Mualim goes through the religous figures that used the piece of eden. Eliminating the beleifs.
Varyalover 9 months ago
@Varyalover I agree with that. Al Mualim was himself a Atheist, but the order was Islam-based.
(Also, I don't agree with all of the Hashishin's actions either, but I do think they were still pretty awesome)
hsadman2 9 months ago
@hsadman2 word , I mean they were playing with fire , Do you know that after the war of the saracens and the crusaders , saladin lead his troops to masyaf and finished all the assassins there
ezioauditore392 9 months ago
@ezioauditore392 Yea, kinda sucks that Saladin didn't take them into his Caliphate but...I personally love Saladin way more than any assassin xD
hsadman2 9 months ago
@hsadman2 saladin is kurd , so am i
ezioauditore392 9 months ago
@ezioauditore392 actually they forced Saladin to retreat by sneaking into his camp and placing a poisoned cake in his tent. the Assassins were actally destroyed by the Mongols in the late 14th century.
09smitel 8 months ago
@09smitel Really !? , i read an article that said assassins were destroyed by the saracens , Ridiculous i am from masyaf yet idk the history of the assassins very well
ezioauditore392 8 months ago
@Varyalover The templars don't have any beliefs. They are atheists in the game, since they (and Al Mualim) believe that the piece of Éden is responsible for all religions. But since that hasn't been proven, one could say that their belief lies on the pieces of Éden and "those who came before". Altair defends that everyone should be free of choosing and having their beliefs, be it God, Ala, or anything else...
alexrdias 9 months ago
@melvinthedeathless The assassin order is actually a Jewish secret society responsible for their own genocide and the global warming. This is all revealed in the next AC.
fxc2 9 months ago
@melvinthedeathless The Hashashin, whom I think the Assassins in the game are supposed to portray, were Nizari Isma'ilis that often fought corrupt corrupt Emirs, particularly among the Seljuqs. They originally offered to convert to Christianity to the Crusaders, but they denied them and killed quite a number of them, hence their hatred of the Crusaders/Templars historically. Regardless, they /were/ Isma'ili Shi'ah.
kirby28645 9 months ago
@melvinthedeathless Because Normaly Religions are associate with People that most contribute to it thus the most powerfull is obious that were the Europeans not the Middle Easterns or Ethopians that became the most powerfull Christians of them all and more influnce the religion. Catholocism Orthodoxism Protestanism were probaly not the forms of Christniaty envisoned by Peter Paul and other apostotele were they? I mean just see the simply fact that Christ is always reprensend as White European!
ImperialGuard9001 8 months ago
@melvinthedeathless The Real Assassins Order were Radical Ismalists of Nizari Ismailis stock so they had a religion it was Islam! Altough a sect of Islam. Contrary to Popular belief in West Islam is realy divided in many sects and traditions it isnt a uniform entendy and the Assassins were just another radical group that appear inside Islam in fact many seam them as first users of terror as a political tool in Islam by usage of Assassination
ImperialGuard9001 8 months ago
@ImperialGuard9001 I wouldnt classify them as radical Islamists exactly. The ones your referring to took on "contracts" from both muslims and christians. Their ideals werent driven by religion. I would consider them more free thinking than the majority of religious sects at the time. They had their own agenda more or less.
goulter1985 8 months ago
We are talking about the Assassins of AC or the Real life Assassins? No. They were radical Nizari Ismailis the reason why they used Assassination is because of survival they were a minority so all their progess is always as minority a reason why their deeds are amazing they coulnt own entire kingdmons but they had hundred of castles and "slepper cells" all over Muslim World as all other Muslim they fough other Muslims aswell but this doesnt mean they werent Muslim
ImperialGuard9001 8 months ago
Or isnt Saladin a muslim? Or Nur al din? Or Zangi? They were all muslims and all fough other muslims the "unification by Saladin" has many things to add Saladin never unified Zangis lands that remain in zangi hands and Damascus only open his doors to Nur Al din becuase of immediate threat of Crusades people that Damascus had trade and had excelent relations with is same thing with Assassins they probaly woulnt even mess around with Crusaders if they werent in their doorstep
ImperialGuard9001 8 months ago
"Contracts" has much things to say... For whats its worth they are many contracts reported by Muslims and none by Christians. I woulnt call it tough a contract it was more aggrement of two parties indeed Assassins made oaths with others but was always in way to achieve their objectives aswell if somone was beneficied so be it enemy of my enemy is my friend wasnt uncomom for Assassins enemy in morning be a friend in aftertnoon Middle East was a political mess in this time aswell
ImperialGuard9001 8 months ago
Just see Saladin as a example he star as "enemy of the Assassins" and end up being an essencial ally so much that many "assassin" chorniclers reported that Assassins actualy heped in Holy Jihad against Crusaders by Saladin and things like that the strike at King of Jerusalem Conrad is a example of how Assassins were comited to help Saladin. Of course "Syrian assassins" that are ones in AC that were in Masyaf end up serving Mameluks and Sultans like Baibars King Edward was reported to be
ImperialGuard9001 8 months ago
Attacked by an Assassins arrow while their Eastern Counterparts in Alamut that were original Assassins that eventualy expand to Syria and hence Masyaf end up being absorved by Mongols in Il Khanate and communities of nizari ismaelites trully survive to nowsday they are reports of Ismaelites in Ottoman Empire and "Persian" Empire maybe the Assassins never actualy dissapear they were Ismaelite Communities in Afeganistan fighing Soviets!
ImperialGuard9001 8 months ago
Who classfied them as "radical islamists" and even as medieval "terrorists" wasnt me but Schoolars Intelectuals and Historians such as Bernard Lewis that has a excelent book on Assassins called The Assassins: a radical sect in Islam. Altough I would restrain from using the word of terrorists the Assassins never strike Inocents at least Muslim the Creed realy existed but I dont know if they apply to "Foreing Christian Invaders" that were seen as barbaric unholy hordes
ImperialGuard9001 8 months ago
@ImperialGuard9001 Though I agree I wouldn't classify them as terrorists either. The Saracens and Crusaders caused more of that then the Assassins did. Hashashin, Assasiyun, it's a little obscure even now about the true name, assassin works fine for me. Their library was destroyed though, and most information about them went with it. Honestly will probably never know any complete truth about them. Suppose a secret society is secretive for a reason.
goulter1985 8 months ago
@goulter1985 Majority of them would have been muslims as most of them were middle eastern born, there goal wasn't islamically driven though. It is well known that this sect of Assassins did assassinate people for both the invading crusaders and the saracens. Their goals were their own, independant of religion. That's partly why Neitzche wrote of them as few of the true free thinkers of the world at the time. They were one of the few groups not following religious doctrine and propaganda.
goulter1985 8 months ago
@goulter1985 They were indeed radical Muslims, they may have fought for both sides (but it should be noted that during the third Crusade Orthodox Christians fought with the Muslims against the Catholics as well) but their primary enemies where the Abbasids because they felt that Sunni Muslims where "to secular"
MrDiem2 7 months ago
@MrDiem2 Their ideals dont necessarily dictate that they were radical muslims. E.g if a Christian murders someone, it doesn't necessarily make them a radical Christian. I think people are stuck in the idea that anyone involved in the crusades didnt have ideals independent of religion. From all the information I've read, few of their practices weren't very in line with Islamic ideals. On a personal basis they mostly would have been muslim, collectively though, they seemed driven by their own idea
goulter1985 7 months ago
@goulter1985 They were radical Muslims in the way that their primary hatred was directed towards the Abbasid Sunni Muslims, why? Because they felt that Sunni Islam was to secular, so they killed for a more radical form of Islam, Shia. If that is not radical Islam, then what is? They fought with the Crusaders because they to fought against the Saracens, likewise the Christian nation Byzantine fought with the Saracens (in the 3rd Crusade) against other Christians because they hated Catholics
MrDiem2 7 months ago
Now the assassins from AC are probaly atheists xD I dont know for sure I think the "first" assassins at least the ones from AC 1 are Muslim you hear them caling out Infidel and Heretic various times and Al Mualim uses the word God various times aswell if you remember the first leap of faith Al mualim says "Go to God" so I think Assassins in AC origianly were Muslims perhaps Altair was one that change it I dont know but doenst matterr much religion is a lie in AC universe
ImperialGuard9001 8 months ago
@melvinthedeathless Assassin's Creed is pure atheist propaganda, even though the real Assassins were super-radical Shia Muslims
MrDiem2 7 months ago
@MrDiem2 "Assassin's Creed is pure Atheist propaganda,"
Go fuck yourself. It's a game, and not trying to convince anyone to believe anything.
VisigothViking 7 months ago
@VisigothViking Yes it's a game, and a book is just a book, and a movie is just a movie, a song is just a song and a story is just a story, you can play the game and ignore the message if you feel like it, just play for fun, can still be atheist propaganda?
In AC1 it's not so evident, but in AC2 it even ends with "there is no God, and Adam and Eve were created by aliens not God"
MrDiem2 7 months ago
@MrDiem2 Have you ever heard of the concept of trying to make a game with an interesting storyline? And correction, not aliens, Those Who Came Before. Also, if it is "aliens" as you say, then it would not be atheist propaganda, it would be scientologist propaganda.
TellEmB290 7 months ago
@TellEmB290 It is still a very atheist oriented game, especially since it attacks the modern religions , it even says Jesus was just a human being who fooled everybody with the apple, and the Assassins are very clearly anti-religion (even though the real Assasins were radical Muslims) and although I am not some religious nut-job, I still think the game is complete crap because it's just not my kind of game, if you like it then by all means go ahead and play it. Jesper Kyd is fantastic though
MrDiem2 7 months ago
@MrDiem2 What's wrong with having an atheist oriented game or "atheist propaganda" as you put it, in a world where churches and other religious organizations have propaganda almost everywhere else? I went to a school where singing hymns every morning was compulsory, for example. Think about it. There are religious studies and religious schools, which have no atheist counterparts. I believe that's because organized religion stifles atheism as much as it can. Note that I say organized religion.
TellEmB290 7 months ago
@MrDiem2 And yes, I do agree that Jesper Kyd is fantastic, and makes amazing game music worthy of the AC series.
TellEmB290 7 months ago
@melvinthedeathless or any color or race
edwinm1 7 months ago
@melvinthedeathless nope in AC1 they were muslim
HUNK58002 4 months ago
reminds me of kingdom of heaven
lahbitec 1 year ago 3
Magica *ç* basta ascoltarla per immaginare di essere realmente nella Gerusalemme del XII secolo *___*
lightshine95 1 year ago
Stupendaaaaa! *ç*
ShevaAlomar85 2 years ago 5
Vero!!! Adoro questa musica!!!*-*, quante ore passate a girovagare per gli immensi paesaggi dell' 1 ed ammirarli sulle note di questa melodia, sbaavvv!!!!!!!!*.*!!
Gabriel1987april 2 years ago 3