Decoding Health Care Reform

[Tomaji69]

We need health CARE....NOT health INSURANCE!!....NO MORE INSURANCE!!...take the sharks OUT of health care. Medicare is not insurance...it's non-profit. Our health care should not me for profit. How would you like it if I ran up on YOUR auto accident and insisted on a FEE before I helped you? For our health care, we take care of each other through our KIND and GENTLE American government that is supposed to serve the citizens and not the PROFIT MAKERS.

[karan30612]

The Guy looks like JOKER from BATMAN

[spazman1932]

we are fucked 2010 arround the corner vote these bastards and cunts out

[whitelght9]

This administration is using your hatred for Bush and turning it into their power. Wake up, man why do you think all Obama does is refer back to who's fault it was and not who's fault it currently is... He hasn't changed anything, he hasn't brought any troops home like he said he would, he speaks of another 100,000 troops in Afghanistan when they claim there is only 100 or more taliban and Al queda remaining in the area....than obama gets his face painted on a christmas bulb on Mt. Rushmore,joke

[geofiles]

CALL CONGRESS

The current Health Care Bill being considered by Congress contains over 2,100 pages, creates 111 new agencies, and countless panels and committees.

It doesn't conform to any other successful working models of Health Care used by other Nations.

It will begin with an immediate increase in taxes, but it will not begin to provide services for over 3 years from now.

Seriously, who in their right mind would think such a bureaucracy will work, alone save more lives and money?

[whitelght9]

@geofiles I Agree, this is probably the worst piece of junk to come out of Washington in a very long time... Also if we aren't covered by any sort of health insurance we are fined too... This bill is Illegal and should be thrown into the paper shredders. Take a look at what happened with the swine flu vaccine folks, thats a small simple sample of what will come of this terrible health care reform

[dw48186]

The things is pal is that your getting your news from the wrong source. Maybe get your satistics from somewhere eles than fox news, pal. The system we have now is terrible. It's screws the conusmer with overwhelming medical bills as well as torch the economy. Unversial healthcare will lessen the burden on the consumer, which will then improve a economy.

[gemini067]

Obama's message to the Senate democrats regarding health care reform was simply give me your wish list for pork and it will be included in the bill, whatever it takes for your vote, its yours for the asking, just vote yes. He bought votes like he did in 2008, and will do in 2012.

[SCLARK2112]

Exactly like the bank bailout SCAM, they will PASS this pile of GARBAGE health care bill regardless of how many American's are AGAINST it. We've become a people with NO REPRESENTATION at all.

[jsmythib]

I dont think we will need to worry about this issue much longer.

[qualityrkc]

@bb44332211 that takes serious organizing as well as assurance there wont be voter fraud. Once we turned to electionic diebold voting machines and threw out paper ballots democracy and voter confidence went in the trash with them.

[geofiles]

President Obama and his administration said if Health Care Reform is not passed, Medicare and Medicaid will blow a hole through our budget. This means, Obama and our government cant even properly administer Medicare and Medicaid, not to mention the entire federal budget. How can we expect them to be able to run National Health Care?

[geofiles]

The current Health Care Bill being considered by Congress contains nearly 2,400 pages, creates 111 new agencies, and countless panels and committees.

It doesn't conform to any other successful working models of Health Care used by other Nations.

It will begin with an immediate increase in taxes, but it will not begin to provide services for over 3 years from now.

Seriously, who in their right mind would think such a bureaucracy will work, alone save more lives and money?

[LiberalHuntingSeason]

I share your enthusiasm, but I have a feeling that we'll get another puppet to expand the agenda, only thing that will be different is that he will have an "R" next to his name and not a "D".

Big deal.

[MrSTANDFORAMERICA]

as it has always been, the rush is for all the taxs that will start to be collected on nothing that has anything to do with the healthcare of people. Oh there's taxs on everything to do with healthcare. but not one penny will go into covering anyone.

It's no more than a tax bill now.

I say, kill the bill and hang the Dem's.

[dlucas90]

The media and politicians are taking us for fools. First they bailed out the monopolistic banks and insurance institutions with tax-payers dollars, then they turn right around and claim that we need a tax-payer supported, govt. insurance program to compete with the monopolies we just bailed out. The tax-payer is paying for both sides of the "competition"!

How about just enforcing the anti-trust / anti monopoly laws? That would create real competition.

[Orchard6773]

Kill whatever bill is presented - just a scam by the left.

[DillonX]

Lieberman has got it so insurance companies get more BILLIONS.

KILL THE BILL!

[Bux7777]

i bet that "FORCE you to BUY" stays in there! ... prolly their favorite fuggin part

[LiberalHuntingSeason]

I call it the "Pay to stay out of Prison Fee".

What's funny is that the liberals think the are "sticking it to the man" with this Bill and really, they are mandating 40 million new customers to "the man".

Yeah, you show'em libs! lol

Social Justice Agenda at it's finest.

[qualityrkc]

@LiberalHuntingSeason no i think everybody understands that now. The original bill was excellent but now that corporatist dems and repubs as well as the health insurance industry got to write this peice of shit bill.Now nobody wants it.

[LiberalHuntingSeason]

I rather not be forced to buy something I don't need. I'd rather not pay yet even more taxes so some lazy fuck doesn't have to work as hard as me to get the same things I have earned. So no, not excellent.

I could careless what's in the rest of the Bill.

[HemiHead66]

You got that right! No public option to promote competition. Anything that replaces the public option has to compete on a level playing field - leaving costs high. Can't import drugs from other countries. (But they can feed us poison from China.) It all equals zero reform.

[MrSTANDFORAMERICA]

Here's how you promote competition:

"the Senate, including a proposal to let insurers sell plans across state lines and an effort to close the Medicare "doughnut hole."

"Democratic lawmakers from Maine and California say. The bill would allow insurers to sell policies across state lines, subject to the laws and regulations in a state of the insurers' choosing, 31 Democratic House members said in a letter Tuesday to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid"

[HemiHead66]

You read the same article I did. I guess you read the other part, that talks about the coverage?

[inrainbows08]

isolation never works. We need the world and the world needs us.

[combatvetdoc]

@inrainbows08 Not really!

[LiberalHuntingSeason]

For what?

[inrainbows08]

selfishness and narcissism are attitudes that bring on failure. Everyone loses when people can't work out their problems. These attitudes and bad behavior are why we can't get free health care for all.

[LiberalHuntingSeason]

You assume everyone will workout their problems. That's not going to happen.

[LiberalHuntingSeason]

I have a better reply than what I previously posted.

Please answer yes or no.

Your employees clocks in. Then he sneaks out to his car unseen and drives home. Returns at end of shift and clocks out.

1. Is this stealing?

2. Can stealing be a form of selfishness?

[inrainbows08]

You make it sound so simple, but it is not. Things are not black and white. It could be stealing, but there is injustice in some places of work. I guess It would be stealing if you are paid and treated well. Even at that, now you are getting in to a discussion on morals. I know not all problems can be worked out, but when it comes to health care, we have to help each other out. The rich may have no problem staying healthy, but it is cruel to say 'hooray for me and the heck with everyone else

[LiberalHuntingSeason]

Ok, nevermind.

If anyone else wants to answer the questions, feel free.

[qualityrkc]

@inrainbows08 workin pretty good for sweden

[LiberalHuntingSeason]

For now. Europe is starting to feel the impact of leeches that have been flooding their nations to exploit free handouts, just like America.

Plus, this isn't Europe, it's America.

[HemiHead66]

Free handouts? What did you think was going to happen when all our jobs were gone? Let the corporate Government bail us out for a change. It's the least those socialist Republicans can do after making us pay to fund Bush's 40 companies in Iraq. We also paid for the row of Cadillac Escalades for them to ride around in. You can see them on You Tuibe.

[LiberalHuntingSeason]

I don't need a Youtube video, I saw it in person. Plus I didn't see the Dem majority in Congress doing anything about Bush.

When are you going to stop cheering for these fucks? They are both the same. Come on man, think about it for a minute. You're doing EXACTLY what they want you to do. Stay divided, parrot propaganda from some talking head, point fingers, and most importantly, take NO ACTION against them.

[HemiHead66]

You don't have to tell me about it - I know they're all corrupt shit-heads. I was just givin ya shit because of your name.

[LiberalHuntingSeason]

Ok. :D

[CWBou812]

HemiHead66...Obama has already spent more in 1yr then Bush did in 8...explain that one. And talk about socialists..uhh have you seen Obamas health care plan? lol.

[HemiHead66]

Yeah - you keep believing those right-wing web-sites with their fuzzy math. Neither you, or them could prove it if your life depended on it. What did Obama spend this year - about 3.52 trillion? Bush spent 3.8 trillion in his last year alone. Go look it up on Wiki - not some right-wing hack web-site. It says tax revenue was 2.8 trillion in Bush's last year. It also says he ran a deficit of 962 billion in that year. Do the math. Obama also has 400 billion less in tax revenue than Bush did.

[CWBou812]

Yes, and you keep getting your accurate info from a Wikki lol. If I was wrong, and your info IS right, then its still pretty scary. Obama has already come close in his first year, to Bushes last year, and it will only get worse. A ton of Bushes spending was on the war. Obama voted against the surge, wimped around for 2 weeks before finally sending in more troops to afghanistan. So on a war standpoint, maybe his wimp nature will save money...but at what true cost?

[HemiHead66]

Yeah, Obama voted against and the surge. Because he knew what everybody knows now - that the Iraq war was a fucking lie from the start. And what were your righteous Republicans doing Friday voting against our troops funding just to kill time so the Democrats couldn't squeeze in the healthcare vote? They were willing to leave our troops pissing in the wind to benefit their corporate friends. And the money Obama spent was to run this country. Repubs would've spent it to - less the stimulus

[HemiHead66]

By the way, Obama didn't wimp out on shit. You may think it's okay to put our troops lives on the line for a bunch of war-profiteers, but he don't. There's more contractors getting rich in Afghanistan than soldiers fighting the war. You've got a corrupt Pakistani Government that's been making headlines for days on one side. And you've got a drug dealing corrupt Afghan President on the other, and you want Obama to throw our troops in there without any consideration? He's not Bring-it-on Bush.

[CWBou812]

Top Military officers were telling him they need the extra troops, so he wimps around for what? 2 weeks then ends up sending slightly less then they asked him for in the first place lol. Dont get me wrong, I hate politicans in general...I think they are ALL weasels, maybe some worse then others. But Obama is by far no different, although I had hoped he would be. So yes, Obama DID wimp out, for two damn weeks, while the troops where undermanned the whole time.

[HemiHead66]

It took a lot longer than 2 weeks - more like 2 months. That's because you have to figure out what the hell we're going to do over there. What the hell good is it to send more troops if you've got two Governments on both sides working against you? And you said undermanned? This isn't a case where we need more troops or the ones that are there will get slaughtered. We've got over 65,000 soldiers armed to the teeth against 6500 rag-tags hiding and planting bombs. No amount of troops will stop this

[CWBou812]

HemiHead66, ya I agree they way the enemies over there, the insurgents, whatever you want to call them...the way they fight, with the improvised explosives, suicide bombers, they have no honor. Blow up innocent woman and children just to take out a few US or UK soldiers...its pathetic, they are fucking cockroaches. Its a tough situation, because they fight with no honor, like little cheap ass little weasels. But if we have so many troops armed to the teeth, why did that general ask for more??

[HemiHead66]

Who the hell knows. I think they're looking to lock down more of the country so the Taliban can't move around. Then Obama said something about working with the people. I gave up caring a while ago. Now we're only looking to weaken the Taliban. The Taliban never did shit to us. Bush wanted the Taliban to hand over Bin laden, who was hiding in the Afghan mountains. The Taliban said show us he did 9,11 and we'll give him to ya. After Bush sent us to war he said he wasn't concerned about him anymore

[CWBou812]

Sounds like one big clusterfuck, I just wish there was an easier solution of some sort.

[qualityrkc]

how is dropping a bomb from miles in the sky and flying away any more honorable than strapping a bomb to yourself and detonating it near the enemy.They dont have fighter jets you dumb fuck. How do you think american civilians would fight an invading force that was so technically advanced?You dont think we would use IED's. Think again.

[qualityrkc]

you are an idiot cwb. that statement is so far from the truth it makes me wonder about your sanity. You loyalists are unbeleivable with the lies you will come up with.

[CWBou812]

WTF you talking about ? Im talking about the troops on the ground you dumb fuck. Im talking about how they kill innocents like woman and children just to take out a few soldiers with their wimp suicide bomer bullshi. STFU dumb bitch.

[qualityrkc]

I repeat my question. How is dropping a bomb from miles in the sky and killing a few enemies along with inncocent women and children more honorable than strapping a bomb to yourself and detonating it near an enemy and killing innocent women and children?

[CWBou812]

Who the fuck is talking about dropping bombs? You are the only one, we were talking about whats going on at GROUND LEVEL you fuckhead. Stop trying to deny shit, fucker.

[qualityrkc]

you were saying that there is no honor in suicide bombing and I was just making the point that there is no honor in dropping bombs either. There is no honor when you are killing people. We dont play "fair" in war so why would they? Just be consistent is all im saying. Don't make one sided comments if you arent prepared to evaluate the tactics that your own military employs (unmanned drones)and call them dishonorable as well. Otherwise you are just being a hypocrite. Understand?

[CWBou812]

One sided comments? WTF you smoking man? ONCE AGAIN..I was talking about the ground war, how insurgents etc, will blow up women and children with hidden, planted explosives or suicide bombers just to get a few US/UK soldiers. You are the one who is trying to desperately cling to your "point" lol, that you think you have...it doesnt apply to what I was talking about like Ive tried to tell you 3 fucking times now. Unmanned drones? those kill woman and kids?? UNDERSTAND? STFU man damn.

[qualityrkc]

No you were talking about dishonorable war tactics in your original comment, not ground war. There are no dishonorable tactics in war. In war the only objective is to destroy the enemy. This is why people should be very careful about carelessly jumping into wars. Forget everything you have seen about war on movies and tv because it is all irelevant.

[CWBou812]

qualityrkc..dumbass..this is HemiHead66 original comment that started us talking about the war ON THE GROUND.."We've got over 65,000 soldiers armed to the teeth against 6500 rag-tags hiding and planting bombs. No amount of troops will stop this."

[CWBou812]

My response was "HemiHead66, ya I agree they way the enemies over there, the insurgents, whatever you want to call them...the way they fight, with the improvised explosives, suicide bombers, they have no honor. Blow up innocent woman and children just to take out a few US or UK soldiers...its pathetic, they are fucking cockroaches." See dumbass? Nobody mention fucking dropping bombs, only you trying to cling to a "point" that does not apply to our past conversation. Now shut the fuck up, ass.

[jsmythib]

I was for this years ago..assuming we were correcting a mistake. There is no honor in our fight over there. Period.

[inrainbows08]

Sweden is not a super power.

[qualityrkc]

@inrainbows08 lol and sweden doesnt spend half of its annual wealth on building bombs. lol you think us being a superpower has nothing to do with the size of our military. Boy you best read a book. All that money sweden doesnt spend on their military they give to their people. Sweden's quality of life is much better than americas my friend. Which is more important to you?Military dominance or happiness. Or are you a proponent of endless war to acheive endless peace lol. You should be president.

[inrainbows08]

I am absolutely against all war. If anything, I think we should model ourselves somewhat on Sweden. My point is that if we have so much wealth and power, why can't we wield it better. I agree with you 101%. I unfortunately voted for Obama expecting different results. That was the first time I voted and will probably never vote again.

[qualityrkc]

understand why you feel jaded about th 2 party non democratic sytem but dont let that stop you from voting.I voted for dems in my first election in 2000.Since then I have realized that change wont come from the dems or repubs and now I just vote constituionalist party. Just vote your beliefs and not the lesser of 2 evils and you have nothing to be ashamed of. Its satisfying to know that I am not a contributing factor to the destruction of the USA by the republicrats

[inrainbows08]

I went to the constitutionalists party web site, but there is too much religion for my taste. The preamble starts immediately with Christ. Although I view Christ as somewhat of a revolutionary, he still stole his views from Confucius and Buddha.

[combatvetdoc]

America is BROKE, the looted out money from SS, so that's gone to. Cut off ALL foreign aid, close 1/2 our bases and put the troops on our borders, get out of the UN. With the savings of not having to support the whole world, we could give every America a home, and free health care! Let the world do without us for a change!

[MaxwellsDemon2000]

Sooo glad to live in Europe!

[NoncentsProductions]

EPIC FAIL. I'm over these politicians. They are a joke. Do the work, get it done. Insurance is a scam, the stock market is a scam, and government is a scam. Screw them all.

[karan30612]

@NoncentsProductions Screw u first.....go and get a life HOBO

[beancube2008]

No health why go to work? Gov't is drug addicts. They see no urgent to build health care infrastructure but want the working classes to risk their lives for the unworthy money. We all know our earnings will eventually be sucked dry in this trend.

Riots and protests are our only messages or warnings they'll notice. How about bomb threats as our versions of corruption?

[beancube2008]

Let them do what they want first; then let the victims tell you about it. Make sure your reaction explode sharply as those pain you can feel from those victims.

Corruptions are from people, not just from govt officials. Why do people corrupt their own govt in mass scale?

Try asking this question for discussions if you go to school or madly voice your anger when you attend community meetings.

[noformstyle]

As Winston Churchill said, America will always do the right thing when run out of option. Reform will only happen when we paid 50% + of our net income to health insurance..What a democracy, politicians are bought by business, but then again this country was founded by bunch of businessmen and land owners. Democracy of hypocracy.

[BlameRepublicans]

Come on America - let's do this right so we don't deserve it the next time the GOP triggers another 9-11.

[CWBou812]

BlameRepublicans...typical "dumbAcrat"

[BlameRepublicans]

Wow you sure devestated me with that one.

[qualityrkc]

@CWBou812 lol so clever.fuck the dems and the repubs they both suck equally.

[CWBou812]

Meh, I agree in that politicians in general are some crooked MFers. Im with you on that. But some Dems can damn sure be just as bad and crooked if not worse then anyone else. I just dont trust politicans much, from either side really, with very few exceptions.

[qualityrkc]

just as bad. Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, Bernies Sanders, and Allan Grayson are the only people I trust to vote with the american people.

[jsmythib]

yup..not many but there are a few. Not enough to make any meaningful changes tho..

[dw48186]

Yea they are really good to trust you know because all their actions are the intrest of lobbyists instead of american public. Don't let your conservative mind fool you, Universal healthcare will happen and america will have chance to become a world power once again, pal.

[whitelght9]

@dw48186 How will something that is going to cost so much money lessen the burden on the economy...? We can't handle this debt that we will be given with this terrible terrible bill... you've been reading from the wrong sources PAL. Also, if you think that saving a few dollars just so that we don't have to give the elderly the same type of benefits that younger people have is just, than you my friend are truly a liberal money sucking drain on society that doesn't work. jerkoff

[whitelght9]

@dw48186 Oh yea and ask all the lap dog congressman who are going to vote for this thing about the money they were bribed with to buy into this piece of rubbish. You have no clue what your talking about and yea there will be universal healthcare for America due to the president and his czars. When they tell me to give my provisions into their healthcare plan they will get nothing from me with their illegal yet non-subtle plot to completely socialize America right under us... Fuck that ...

[dw48186]

My friend you probably think that this will increase your taxes. Do you understand how much taxes are put out you by uninusred people each year just your state alone. The Healthcare would spread tax burden that was already being put on you across the country. How the hell can you say this is socialisim is beyond me. I mean hell this isn't a new idea in america. The system we have now is unconstitutional. Every human being has the right to health and safety and healtcare plan would do this.