Thunderf00t vs Reasonable Faith vs William Lane Craig vs drcraigvideos

[SAHBfan]

Has the link to the drcraigvideos channel been removed from the reasonablefaith site

I've just been there and I couldn't see it... The vids are still listed in embedded form. Click on 'watch in youtube' and hey presto you are back to drcraigvideos vids. Looks like they made have made the link less obvious, but he is still the guy posting all the vids and they are the vids reasonable faith links too...

Shame it's gone quiet, it looked like there was potential to wipe grins off a few smug faces.

[santora1957]

@SAHBfan It doesn't surprise me.

[faron27]

evolution is the greatest lie every perpetuated on humans our history can not be explained by evolution...

[santora1957]

@faron27 Well, I would tell you to read a history book., But, it's obvious reading is not your strong point. If it was, I'd suggest reading a book on how the brain works, as well.

[faron27]

@santora1957 insulting someone as way to prove a point is rather juvenile not mention shows your lack of Intelligence... I would suppose that you can prove without a shadow of a doubt that humans evolved right? i can't wait to hear your small minded answer :}

[santora1957]

@faron27 Don't lecture to me about maturity while still clinging to your invisible childhood friend. As well, don't talk to me about intelligence, while insulting mine. Evolution has been proven. If you are truly a man of nature as you claim on your channel, you would know this. Then again it would seem you not only believe sky spirits but big foot and UFO's. Would you consider Jesus an ancient alien? Give me a break. .

[faron27]

@santora1957 again someone who is lacking in character attacks someone else's, don't try and turn it around as if i'm the insulter. Evolution has never been proven.

That being said you can't prove evolution all you can do is insult me personally like the idiot you are :} yes I do believe in GOD the Creator and Jesus was his son if you don't thats your choice, besides GOD the Creator is real or you wouldn't be here :}

[santora1957]

@faron27 LMFAO You make it easy! I mean seriously, how can someone like you expect to be taken seriously? You're in complete denial of reality, such as the mountain of evidence supporting evolution, you live your life based on ancient childish fantasies, you talk about something that can't be proven? LOL. You're a joke.. People like you should be treated for what you are: A over-grown child.

[faron27]

I can prove man did not evolve, I very much have a firm grip on reality just not yours, you're an a typical mental midget you deny the accounts of millions of people, just like big foot, UFO, JESUS and GOD! You see if you were so scientifically inclined as you think you are… you would know that statistically it’s impossible that all accounts are not false. So far you have offered nothing in the way of proof on your part just childish insults.

[santora1957]

@faron27 Go check out the YT channel EvolutionDocumentary. There's plenty of documented evidence on that channel. As for eye witness accounts, at best that's anecdotal. Yeah people saw something, the question is what? Just because science can't identify the object the sky doesn't automatically make it what you want it be.

[faron27]

@santora1957 fact 1: In 1979, researchers at the Laetoli, Tanzania, in East Africa discovered footprints in volcanic ash deposits over 3.6 million years old, the prints were indistinguishable from those of modern humans.March 1990 issue of Natural History, R.H Tuttle (physical anthropologist) confessed that it is somewhat of a mystery.

I can supply many more facts, not opinion and not based in religion of any kind!

[santora1957]

@faron27 Yeah it's open to debate. That's what science does. Until the evidence is irrefutable. Just as the evidence is irrefutable, that you behave like an eight year old spoiled brat. You're going to continue to post your drool, until I finally had enough of your bullshit and walk away and you get the last word. That's the only thing that will make the child happy. Well I'm just about done playing your childish game of make believe. So...

[faron27]

@santora1957 wow again more insults no proof no facts just your dumbass opinion.

your proof = look on YT are you really that stupid you think the answers are on YT.

Evolution is wrong and you are a dumbass and that about sums up everything!

[santora1957]

@faron27 I didn't just tell you to look on YT asshole. I gave you specific channel to look at: EvolutionDocumentary.

[faron27]

@santora1957 just another fact for you that probably isn't on YT or the web but in a book you know the things you read...1880, J. D.Whitney (state geologist California) published a review of advanced stone tools found in California gold mines. Including spear points and stone mortars and pestles, were found deep in mine shafts, underneath thick, undisturbed layers of lava, in formations ranging from 9 million to over 55 million years old.

[santora1957]

@faron27 LMFAO The dates might be subject to debate, but you just presented evidence for evolution.

[faron27]

@santora1957 wrong man did not evolve humans have always looked this way.

there are thousands of hard facts that prove with out a doubt man did not evolve.

you wrong and always will be...

[santora1957]

@faron27 LMAO so delusional, so deep in denial. Even when you hold the evidence in your own hand.

[faron27]

@santora1957 same old story to blinded by stupidity to see the truth right in your face :}

i can do the sane thing you do just right off what you say with a rude comment but I have proof and it doesn't point to evolution it points to creation.

[faron27]

@santora1957 In 1982, Maria Beltrao found a series of caves with wall paintings in the state of Bahia. In 1985, a trench was cut in the Toca da Esperansa (Cave of Hope), and excavations in 1986 and 1987 yielded crude stone tools associated with Pleistocene mammals. When the bones were tested by the uranium series method, ages in excess of 250,000 there is much more but stupid people like you have been repressing the information.

[santora1957]

@faron27 It's being repressed LMAO. Yet here you are talking bout it. Did you ever stop to think those bones were there BEFORE man came in to paint those pictures on the wall? Or that maybe those bones washed into the cave, or that maybe they came from a sediment layer from another time period? That's all part of the scientific debate and scrutiny. Rather than jump to conclusions as some people like to do.

[faron27]

@santora1957 sure...you can't really believe yourself? did you ever think that you are wrong? evolution is wrong and human history os not what you believe.

[santora1957]

@faron27 It is not a matter of belief you dumb fucking moron. It's a matter of FACT! You want to deny the evidence dip shit and live in a world of childish make believe and delusion that's your business fuck nose. But don't expect to come around here and speak your lies without challenge, and expect to not be called a dumb ass. And if you don't like being called a dumb ass, then leave. Go back to playing in the forest with big foot ASSHOLE!

[faron27]

@santora1957 you are such a child, what makes something real? you don't and won't believe in something until you have it's dead body in your hands...

I could give 2 poops about your opinion,thats all you have 2 offer assmonkey!

[santora1957]

@faron27 LMAO, I'm not the one clinging to my invisible childhood friend. So funny, how you parrot the things I say to you. Like a mindless robot. Well, child, if you want the last word, fine. Because these are my final words to you: Fuck you, fuck your creationism, fuck your god, fuck your bastard child of god, fuck the virgin fucking mary, fuck you.

[faron27]

@santora1957 you are such a buttmonkey insult after insult it only shows your IQ...

trying to prove a point by personal attack is the sign of a coward and thats what you are.

GOD is real and evolution is a lie

[LowresTV]

WLC is a depictable character.

[ZangaroZen]

@santora1957, found your video through ThunderF00t's favorite list. Glad I did. Great comprehensive iron clad fact based rebutal/debunking style. Epic pwn'ing.

As for having a "baker's dozen" subs and views around 20-35, with a high point of 300, in just 2 weeks you now have 90 subs and 4244 views on this video. Kudos, and subbed.

[IrwinJohnFinster]

Your rant toward the end inspired me. I wrote this for you (except for the part where I plagiarized the Governator...sorry, Arnold).

*ahem*

Kalam Cosmologist Oklahoma Pseudo Scientist Kamehameha Existential Quantum Inverted Double Stuf Transmogrification Discombobulated Corpse Termination Urbanization Governmental Libation Explosive Montezuma's Blasting Power Event!

Come on! Sing it with me!!

[ChristianMission]

Neither Reasonable Faith nor William Lane Craig have anything to do with the current DMCA issue, even though TF and his atheist minions want to turn this into a Craig and Christian bashing hate fest. That's not surprising, atheists are groupthinking hypocrites.

[santora1957]

@ChristianMission Craig and RF needs to show a little more integrity. Obviously there is some association with WLC and RF with drcraigvideos otherwise they wouldn't be trying to cover their tracks. Why don't you try doing a little thinking, for once in your life? Or maybe I'm asking too much, for you to actually think.

[SAHBfan]

I just love the way this video builds up into a full blooded 'idiot fundie Christian' crushing rant of the finest order.

Nice one, Subscribed.

[ArtistRags]

I bet you have a few more subscribers now :-)> Have a great day.

[norbolt]

I subscribed because of Thunderf00t's favorite :)

By the way, about the video - you should try a better microphone so you don't have to use your "loud voice". That kind of voice gets tiresome after a few minutes. Also, I can hear the echo from your walls. Try putting some sound absorbing things in the room to dampen it a bit? Just my two cents :)

[santora1957]

@norbolt Actually, my computer mic broke a while back and I've been using a pocket recording device from Olympus. Right now I have to find a new job, before I can get some better equipment. Including a new computer. This computer I have is going on 10 years, running on XP. And I'm using XP movie maker.

[TheTomtompiper]

@santora1957 I'm not sure how big the hard drive is on your PC, but if it has room you might want to have a go at dual booting with a Linux distro, it could breath new life into an old system and there are some very good and absolutely free video editors and sound editors. Personally I use Audacity for audio and Openshot for video, there is a very good Openshot tutorial available on Youtube should you wish to see it in action. /watch?v=RLvn7jRPvVA

[santora1957]

@TheTomtompiper I tried installing redhat a while back, It didn't work too well. I have a cheapo e-machine, I think it's from gateway? I think getting a halfway decent microphone will make a difference. I don't know if that Openshot will work for windows? If it does I'll give it a try. .

[TheTomtompiper]

@santora1957 Yeah those e-machines are a mess, I had one a long time ago and when Windows crashed which it did often it was a nightmare finding the drivers for a reinstall. Good luck with getting a new mike.

[cbooth2004]

Kalaams are like Turtles: All the way down.

That's why WLC has to do a Monty Pythonesque jump and run to change the subject when the Kalaam argument is questioned.

The Religion Apologist's Algorithm:

[Argument X (in this case, Kalaam Cosmological)] then Special Plead out of Argument X (with a Special Plead twist: Special Plead to _my_ religion and sect, ignore-and-dismiss all others)

Nice post, santora1957, you had me LOLing with your Oklahoma conflation. That was a lot of fun.

[AtheistExplains]

Hurrah for under the radar folks!!!

[kram83au]

craig has just been seriously santora slapped. 

[THChristensenGallery]

I like this guy! Subscribed!

[SirToneyBagels]

by adding your image to your videos, does it add more credibility or validity to your arguments?

[TheLuckySaGe]

@SirToneyBagels no it doesn't. Why would you even ask that unless your either 1) Stupid

2) A douche bag.

[santora1957]

@SirToneyBagels LOL hey, if my face is too ugly to look at, you can always minimize your browser and just listen.

[SirToneyBagels]

@santora1957 I have no problem looking at you.

[NanoHorizon]

@SirToneyBagels What a douche bag comment.

[ajtempl]

Unlike the childish "god did it" explanation that we hear from the likes of Craig, Science doesn't pretend to know all the answers but it's working on the questions through a process that has an excellent track record. Our understanding of Quantum Mechanics is increasingly demonstrating that the Kalam Cosmological Argument doesn't hold water. Btw, notice how Craig doesn't apply the same argument for his God, that "everything that has a beginning of its existence has a cause of its existence".

[WindDragoonX]

I like this guy, he sounds like he's from Boston or Jersey. I was waiting for you just to yell BOOM during your Kalam argument. Also I just want to point out does anybody else find it ironic that so called Christians are lying and also bearing false witness against Thunderf00t? I mean under those grounds shouldn't they be fearing for their soul?

[AutoBahnForever]

Fair assessment. This DrCraig's guy is going to find out the penalty of perjury..........if YouTube follows their own rules. This is not Thunderfoot's first rodeo...........this may end badly for WLC.

[grandarf]

subscribed. Your bit about the Kalam argument was hilarious! Well done :)

[craigore2011]

That was epic. fav'd

[benaberry]

300 viewers smashed!

[Hillsillverr]

garbage in garbage out...

[oswade90]

Good video :)

[Terncote]

Great video. I hope there's enough room in that grave for drcraigvideos when that channel gets deactivated.

[dramon231]

absolutely brilliant

[dramon231]

If only i had the time and gaul to support thunderfoot at this level... id sleep better at night

[Rarae192]

Kallam Kosmologicalists' Argumentum

[TheRandomguy112]

so i just realized whats going on right now.......team death match

[spinynorman1982]

I could listen to you all day.

[xephyr1000]

Should be called the "Kalam Cosmological ASSERTION"

[benaberry]

@xephyr1000

brilliant! Deductive reasoning, is not superior to actual evidence.

[pandorachild]

@xephyr1000 ASSERTIONS plural, not only do they assert a first cause but they assert god as the cause because nothing else fits the description, I am so sick of hearing this argument.Great comment ty

[pandorachild]

You have a face made for radio' jk Im dying to see the outcome of this.

[jonerkinch]

Thumbs up .

[Ryakki]

Virtual ratings disabled thumbs up.

[Utmoon]

Consider this comment my thumbs up.

[ScientologyPhishing]

Nicely said man, I've subscribed. Now go get a webcam! ;)

[LosAngelesFresh1]

"or as you would put it.... unsavory" LOL had me cracking up!!

[iSoldMySoul2ThaDevil]

glad I found this channel bro, I subscribed, hopefully this video will last ;)

[mikefromwa]

I hear all of the videos that drcraigvideos DMCA'd have been mirrored in hundreds of locations. Drcraigvideos really should look up the "Striesand Effect".

The result more people have seen the videos now than ever would have if drcraigvideos hadn't broken the law and DMCA'd them.

Drcraigvideos must feel like an idiot when he realizes that he himself has done more to spread awareness and views of the videos he wanted suppressed than anyone else possibly could, lol.

[SirKickz]

You, my friend, just earned yourself a new subscriber. I lol'd a bit and I agree wholeheartedly.

[RexFut]

I agree nonetheless.

[RexFut]

...my two cents... literally. FAIL!

Literally means you actually throw in two cents.

[MrSpacehopper123]

liked,favorite and subscribed

[Roothage]

subscribed bud.

[ahhninjadragon]

Kalrap argument

1.Everything that has a false DMCA, had someone to DMCA it

2.Thunderf00t has a false DMCA.

3.drcraigvideos falsely DMCAed Thunderf00t.

ergo drcraigvideos lying immoral b*****d

[MoonwalkerWorshiper]

@ahhninjadragon I disagree with premise 2. How do you know it was a false DMCA?

[pandorachild]

@MoonwalkerWorshiper Its called fair use, look it up.

[Funnysterste]

tf has liked this

[holio84]

It became obvious to me about 10 years ago that christians are the most dishonest and least trustworthy group on the planet.

[mikefromwa]

@holio84: "It became obvious to me about 10 years ago that christians are the most dishonest and least trustworthy group on the planet. "

Quoted for TRUTH!

[pandorachild]

@MoonwalkerWorshiper Why, because we dont accept assertions with no evidence?

Christians on the other hand have no problems saying they "know" god even though the christian Bible is a forgery and have never even come close to demonstrating that knowledge.They have no problems saying the Bible is was written by god, even though we know it wasn't.

[MoonwalkerWorshiper]

@pandorachild [Why, because we dont accept assertions with no evidence?]

I don't accept assertions with no evidence, yet atheists are trying to shove it down my throat until I choke on it! When I ask how the DMCA is false, they decide it's due to fair use when fair use doesn't apply if the copyright holder decides his material have been represented unfairly.

The Bible was written by men from the bronze age, anyone - atheist or christian alike - can concede to that.

[pandorachild]

@MoonwalkerWorshiper Fair use is a limitation and exception to the exclusive right granted by copyright law to the author of a creative work. In United States copyright law, fair use is a doctrine that permits limited use of copyrighted material WITHOUT acquiring permission from the rights holders. Examples of fair use include commentary, CRITICISM, news reporting, research, teaching, library archiving and scholarship.

[pandorachild]

@MoonwalkerWorshiper " fair use doesn't apply if the copyright holder decides his material have been represented unfairly." I posted the Fair use clause no where does it say what you said.

[Dream0Asylum]

@MoonwalkerWorshiper

[it's due to fair use]

Yes it is. Criticism is a specifically listed exception to copyright claim.  Were criticism not allowed, frauds could use copyright laws to engage in censorship that violates the 1st Amendment of the US constitution and conceals their dishonesty.

[if the copyright holder decides his material have been represented unfairly.]

One's subjective notion of fair or unfair holds no sway in whether copyright has been infringed.

[DivineLucifer666]

@holio84 Muslims are worse. right now they are trying to ban dogs in The Netherlands because they are "unclean" lololol.

[ProofEqualsFact]

@holio84 Human as a race are all capable and do lie, it's not limited to a race, age, gender or religion. It's in us all including you.

[holio84]

@ProofEqualsFact DUH, dufus

[treasureinthesnow217]

@holio84 how open-minded of you ;)

[kepter1]

Think you can apply anything you want. The fact of the matter is that Christians base what they think on faith. Where as you just base what you think on what lack of understanding? Thats fine. Going after Craig seems to be the only interests of most atheists on youtube. The fact thunderfoot does great videos I think he really missed on his Craig videos. You all look for the I WON button. Sorry but no one has it. Faith or what? You dont have a clue.

[sh00008]

Nicely done man!

[4lch3m15t]

bravo! subscribed

[anonC2H5OH]

He-he you gonna get a thunderfoot bump :)

[AcceptSolitude]

I'm definitely using "kalam cosmologist argument" from now on.

[QuantumChance]

great video, subscribed! i like your style

[TheOutzman]

Well said...subscribed.

[699backstab]

This degenerate blocks users. He is no different than WLC. This guy is scum. Stop listening to him. TF disassociate yourself from this asshole.

[Bhurzum]

@699backstab There is a HUGE difference between blocking a user and false-flagging somebody.

[pandorachild]

@Bhurzum both are a form of censoring any negative comments. This is not about copyrights this is purely about Not exposing WLC as the fraud he is. Since YouTube automatically pulls the video many theists think its a viable method to shut down any criticism, we have seen VFX, Dawahfilms and many others use this tactic. 699backstab was correct these guys are scum, think about this, WLC professes to be a philosopher yet he blocks any negative comments or refutations of his alleged arguments.

[jyoung2112]

If you hadnt disabled the ratings you'd have an impressive green bar at the bottom of that handsome picture of yours. Anyways Thumbs up

[jq747]

I'd be very surprised if Dr Craig himself is even aware of the existence, let alone the bastardly activities, of the guy running drcraigvideos. I'd also be surprised if Craig (the man) could give two shits about Thunderf00t or any of us other two-bit commentators. The guy is waaaay too busy making truckloads of money selling books and speaking tickets to religious sheeple.

[Jaymaul009]

@jq747 You do know Craig and his website were both directly informed many times dude.

[pandorachild]

@jq747 WLC trolls youtube, he addmitted he was aware that someone was using his videos and was even keen on the amount of hits they received.Many youtubers also post on unreasonable faith with their counter arguments and WLC responds to them after making a few changes to the refutations as this is his style.

[therealjammit]

Darn. Can't thumbs up. This Craig guy sounds like a little bitch.

[santora1957]

@therealjammit Ratings on all my videos have been enabled

[therealjammit]

@santora1957 It's been thumbed up.

[Skindoggiedog]

Cosmologist? Dude ... at least get the name right ...

[NIXIMvideo]

Just a comment, science has now actually given a reasonable explanation as to how the universe started with the so called big bang. Apparently there is no such thing as nothing, so the universe burst into existance eniterely by itself and in a manner that is fully supported by scientific theory. So much for the Kalam cosmoslogist argument, gap filled - please move along now.

[warmsteel]

@NIXIMvideo Well, Science is working on that. . . But this is a very hard question. One hypothesis that might become a theory is the multiverse hypothesis. But is putting God in the picture really helping? If God existed always, then who created God? If God has always existed, why then the Universe have always existed, without God?

[NIXIMvideo]

@warmsteel My friend I am an atheist, I think you missread my post, as I have said I have seen explanation as to how the universe came about with accounts from Lawrence Krouse and Steven Hawkin. whether god(s) exist or not the Universe came about without his input. game shot from where I sit.

[eyallev]

correction, it's july 30 2011, not jan 30 2011 ......

[zarkoff45]

Cosmologist argument? I think it's the Kalam cosmological argument.

[HenryClayTalleyrand]

This seems like good online citizenship santora1957, good job.

[k4b44l]

nice vid

[tml4873]

Any of the "god of the gaps" arguments are pretty funny. It's basically like saying "We don't know how x happened, so God did it, for now. Perhaps later on, God will have undone it if and/or when we find out another way it happened." We've seen it happen time and again throughout history, and yet it never shakes the believers' confidence that this time, for sure, God did it. Forget all those times we were wrong, like about the Sun, lightning, rain, etc. This time it's for real.

[CasesAndMaterials]

Thunderf00t just got pwned and u r butt hurt!

[TheAtheologian]

@CasesAndMaterials Yes, copyright infringement, even if it was genuine, means the person doing said act is pwned, makes so much sense...

Facepalm...

[CasesAndMaterials]

@TheAtheologian Not so you are just thunderf00l fanboy!

[TheAtheologian]

@CasesAndMaterials Seeing as I do indeed enjoy Tf00ts videos, I am pretty sure that I can still understand fallacious resoning and therefore why you are incorrect. Regarding this specific incident, you have no inclination to think that Tf00t "got pwned" and therefore your statemet is incorrect.

It is also so blatant that I will assume you are trolling so good day to you sir or madam, we shall likely never speak again.

[CasesAndMaterials]

@TheAtheologian Hugs to yoo too!

[TheMoggram]

@CasesAndMaterials hey can you do something for me? go fuck off. tks man :D

[CasesAndMaterials]

@TheMoggram I can fuck your mom?

[Debbie321lopez]

Now that Tfoot fav'd this. your views will go up..

[eyallev]

@Debbie321lopez I've seen this claim made before on other vids. has it been proven?

[Debbie321lopez]

@eyallev Well an hour ago, he had 30 views and 18 subscibers..

look now

[sooperfukker]

Oh dear, can't these Tfoot disciples get it right at least ONCE ???

"drcraigvideos" filed the DMCA not to silence someone but because Tfoot repeatedly ignored his request to 1) properly cite the source and 2) not manipulate the source material.

Youtube witch hunting is the most ridiculous thing on earth.

[tml4873]

@sooperfukker You don't cite something you're critiquing. You think a movie critic lists the movie he's reviewing as a source citation? If by "manipulate" you mean select segments to comment on, then this is also an absurd request, and has nothing to do with copyright law or the DMCA. If Craig feels he's being slandered, then he should sue. Only Craig has this right, not some guy who pirates his videos (the ultimate irony, isn't it?) on youtube.

[TheAtheologian]

@sooperfukker 1. The source would be william lane craig, as drcraigvideos does nto own the footage, and WLC has even at one time cited him as "pirating" his talks.

2. Manipulation of the source material is what makes it covered by Fair Use, and if this is the problem, then Drcraigvideos IS trying to silence Tf00t, as he is trying to silence his rendition of the flaws in WLCs argument.

[eyallev]

@sooperfukker 1: he doesn't have to site the source. 2: he can edit it how ever he wants.

[Klingschor]

The Kalaam Cosmological Argument actually originated with Aristotle, but it was refined by Mediaeval Muslim theologians.

Interesting vid

[SmilingSkeptic]

"We'll stay here while Jim goes in for a closer look..." Loved the Wild Kingdom flashback. You have yourself a new subscriber, sir.

[TheAikenHead]

Excellent points, Sir.