Why I am a Christian? Why I am a Muslim? ( 1 of 4 )

[shumble32]

Why I am a Christian? Why I am a Muslim? Childhood indoctrination is generally the explanation.

[SonsOfLibertyy]

the amazing thing about Shabir Ally he allways talk without needing to read from a paper, he allways talk about how he feel without needing to get prepared and think for what he gona say.

i love that man

[skoko1945]

@SonsOfLibertyy  anyone can talk without being prepared

[culedudeN]

@jcarva77

Muslims believe in Jesus

Muslims love Jesus

[1n0x1]

With due respect, Muslims claim they believe and love Jesus (and are genuine in their belief); however, they do not follow Him. Jesus said "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. (John 14:6) One who believes in and loves Jesus would follow Him. Further, Jesus claimed He was Gods Son which is contradictory to what Mohammed taught (may peace be upon him). In Islam Jesus is only a Prophet. In Christianity Jesus is the second person of the triune God.

[mslaly78]

@1n0x1 JESUS IS OUR PROPHET...WE ARE FOLLOWING HIM..YES WE DO...WE ARE FOLLOWING HIM IN BELIEVING THAT THERE IS GOD..HE ASK US TO FOLLOW HIM IN BELIEVING IN ALLAH THE ALMIGHTY...BEFORE THE END OF THE WORLD HE WILL BE BACK TO FIGHT THE DAJJAL WHO PRETEND TO BE GOD...YES WE LOVE JESUS AS WE LOVE ALL THE PROPHET OF ALLAH THE ALMIGHTY..JESUS DID'NT DIE..HE WAS NOT PUT ON THE CROSS...

[Msunbird02]

@mslaly78 Correction: Your statement proves that Isa is not Jesus and muslims don't follow Jesus at all.

[QoziKalon]

@Msunbird02 No, it just proves that Muslim and Christian ideas about Jesus are different.

[Msunbird02]

@QoziKalon

You are also mistaken. Modern archaeological evidence proves that the history of what's written in the Christian bible is factual. That evidence includes a letter written by Herod Antipas to Tiberius validating the crucifixion and other biblical references. Allah is not the same deity as the Judeo-Christian G-d b/c Islam doesn't recognise the 10 Commandments which is the core of both Judaism and Christianity.

[QoziKalon]

@Msunbird02 Oh really? How does modern archaeological evidence prove the heavenly ascension of Jesus, or how does modern archaeology prove that Paul had his supposed little chit chat with Jesus after Jesus was already in heaven? Science can't prove that, thus it is in the field of belief only. And since it is in the field of belief it has as much credibility as Muhammad's (PBUH) ascension to Heaven and his return, or death of Osiris and his return from the dead, or adventures of Hercules.

[Msunbird02]

@QoziKalon

For starters, it has been claimed that the Ark of the Covenant has been found in Jeramiah's Cave beneath the Crucifixion site. Dried blood was found on it and after analysis, it was allegedly found to contain only 24 chromosomes (23F + 1M); ie. haploid. You don't read much do you?

[QoziKalon]

@Msunbird02 10 Commandments are not the core of Christianity. You guys live by the New Testament. Otherwise Catholics and Baptists would not work on Saturdays, and I doubt that you would find any bacon in your local supermarket. Christians always quote the Old Testament when it fits their needs. But when you point out something they don't like in the OT they immediately say that it is Old Testament and that they live by the New one. Hypocrites.

[Msunbird02]

@QoziKalon

The Decalogue is recognized as a moral foundation in both Judaism and Christianity (in Exodus 20-23 with a set of laws conventionally known as the "Book of the Covenant") and civil law of every secular country is based on those 10 rules of acceptable human conduct. The Commandments don't articulate a definitive Sabbath and do not command that pork cannot be eaten. They ARE indeed the core of BOTH Judaism and Christianity. Christianity is recognised as an extension of Judaism.

[QoziKalon]

@Msunbird02 Christianity is recognized as an extension of Judaism mainly by Christians only. I strongly doubt that Jews believe that your twisted, polytheist faith is somehow an extension of the religion of Moses. To Jews your "God" nailed to a piece of wood is an impostor, magician, and liar being boiled in a pot full of feces in hell. I do agree that your faith is somewhat an extension of Judaism. It's a heretical sect that broke away from Judaism that believes there is more than one God.

[QoziKalon]

@Msunbird02 Law of every secular country is clearly not based on the Decalogue. If it was, there would've been a punishment for adultery in secular countries, worship of any gods other than the God of the Bible would've been prohibited. Idolatry would've been banned in secular countries. Using your Lord's name in vain would've been a criminal offence. Sabbath would've been mandatory. Respect for parents regardless of what they do would be obligatory. And coveting would be punishable too.

[QoziKalon]

@Msunbird02 Thus only 3 commandments are actually reflected in the laws of secular countries. Don't steal, Don't bear false witness, Don't murder. Stealing, lying in court, and murdering of the innocent are a crime even in primitive tribes in remote corners of the world who never heard of your Bible. Why? Because it is wrong. Not because your Bronze Age book of Jewish mythology says so, but because it is wrong. 70% of 10 commandments are not in laws of secular countries. So keep dreaming.

[Msunbird02]

@QoziKalon

Not quite. I stated that "the Decalogue is recognized as a moral foundation" for civil law in secular countries ... and that's correct.

[QoziKalon]

@Msunbird02 Moral foundation for civil law in secular countries is common good and common sense. Sabbath, not worshiping imaginary friends other than the one the Bible says is real have nothing to do with common good or common sense. Cheating on your wife is only evil if your wife thinks its evil. There are poliymorous couples out there. Thus, it's relative. Respect for parents is ok if you have good parents. If your mom wants to sell your organs to buy crack no respect to her.

[Msunbird02]

@QoziKalon

Again, not so. "Common good and common sense" are NOT a universal homogenous commodity in any society or between individuals. That's why a predefined moral foundation is needed to create the basis for a liveable society in the first place regardless of personal preferences.

[QoziKalon]

@Msunbird02 We were talking about secular societies. Only three commandments can be found in laws of secular societies. Not because they are rules that God supposedly gave humanity, but because it protects people. There are Hindu books that say that stealing, murder, and lying in court is a bad thing, but you wouldn't agree that Hindu teaching is the foundation of civil laws in secular societies would you?

[QoziKalon]

@Msunbird02 Romans who were pagan had prohibitions against murder, stealing and lying in court. Keep in mind that Roman jurisprudence had an enormous effect on modern Western, secular legal system. So, could it be that Roman system was the foundation of our society and not ten rules of ancient desert tribesmen?

[QoziKalon]

@Msunbird02 Coveting your neighbors property is not bad from secular point of view. As late George Carlin put it: "Leave coveting alone. It keeps the economy running." You see your neighbors new car, you want it, you buy one, it helps the economy, factory workers get paid, sales tax helps your community, etc. Taking Lord's name in vain does not hurt anyone from secular point of view, because the very existence of the Lord cannot be proven. Idols are not harmful either from secular point of view.

[QoziKalon]

@Msunbird02 Therefore, the only part of the Decalogue that is present in civil law is Don't Steal, Don't Kill, Don't Give False Testimony. But it's not the part of secular laws because it is in the Bible. Rather, it is in the Bible and in Secular Laws because it protects property rights, right to live, and protects the court system from finding an innocent person guilty. It is in the law because it is common sense and common good, not because it is also in your book of fairy tales.

[QoziKalon]

@Msunbird02 I say Allah fits the description of the God of Abraham and Moses more than the bearded cultural figure wearing sandals that you made equal with God. Besides, as I said earlier, people can believe anything. When it comes to belief in the unseen no one can prove that his imaginary friend is better than the others imaginary friend. Now I'm not saying that Allah is imaginary. I'm just saying that neither I can prove that Allah is the God of the Bible, neither you can prove that he isn't.

[Msunbird02]

@QoziKalon

You can say whatever you like ... but I'd like you to tell me exactly what and why an all-knowing invisible deity would possibly want or do with a fifth of Muhammad's war booty pls?

[QoziKalon]

@Msunbird02 Oh, so God does not involve himself in war or war booty? Well well well, I guess Joshuah is going to hell then. He dared to fight, kill people, children, women, even animals and said that God told him too. Dude, if you want to blindly accuse other faiths for something that is practiced on a much broader scale in your own Book by men of your God then you are just a hyporcite.

[QoziKalon]

@Msunbird02 Of course whenever I refer to Joshuah or any other Old Testament mass murderer you will say that they have nothing to do with Christianity because you live by the New Testament. See, that is the predicament Christianity is caught in. Not only does your idea of triple/single God make no sense, but you actually reject half the book you consider Holy. So, either edit your Bible, or stop accusing other faiths for wars their prophets waged.

[Msunbird02]

@QoziKalon

You're still mistaken. In modern times, Christians live by the Commandments only, not the entire book which would be impractical. There is only 1 G-d in Christianity comprised of 3 distinct elements. Jesus never waged war on anyone but sadly, Muhammad did ... all for his own material gain.

[QoziKalon]

@Msunbird02 If Muhammad (PBUH) wanted material gain he would've never preached Islam. He was a very wealthy respected man when he began preaching. Because of that he and his followers were being persecuted, beaten, robbed and killed. At one point leaders of pagans came to Muhammad and offered him great wealth if stops preaching. Muhammad told them: Even if you put Sun in my right hand and Moon in my left hand I will not stop. He lost everything and had to flee his city along with his followers.

[QoziKalon]

@Msunbird02 Yes, Muhammad won in the end. But for many years his preaching caused him to be persecuted, cast out, robbed, and attempts were made to kill him. And he could have great wealth added to his already big wealth if he stopped preaching but he did not. Why? Because he was sincere. Even his pagan enemies called him Al-Amin - The Trustworthy because he could always be trusted and his upstanding moral character.

[Msunbird02]

@QoziKalon Muhammad was a failure at peaceful preaching and DID want more wealth so he eventually turned to the sword to get what he wanted. If he already had "big wealth", why did he let greed take over? What would allah want or need with a fifth of his war booty? The pagans were won over only b/c Muhammad let them continue with their rituals and he needed their support. This had nothing to do with trust but was used only a political ploy.

[QoziKalon]

@Msunbird02 Christians live by commandments? Do they live by all 613 commandments of the Old Testament or do they pick what they like? If they lived by commandments they would stop shaving the beard (OT tells us not to round our beards) They would stop eating pork. They would marry the wives of their dead brothers. And many, many other rules. I know what you gonna tell me: "It's Old Testament laws, we don't have to live by them, we live by the New Testament." You have to because Jesus said so.

[QoziKalon]

@Msunbird02 Matthew 5:18-19: "For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven" Jesus himself said that Law is not to be changed. Why aren't you following it all? You can't just pick what you like.

[Msunbird02]

@QoziKalon I think you'll find that Moses received only 10 Commandments on Sinai, not 613 of them. Spain is the worst example b/c civil strife was constant under dhimmitude. In Mohammed's day, 365 idols were worshipped a the ka'aba. One was called Allah and was the god of the Quarish tribe of which Mohammed was a member. When the Quarish took control of Mecca, all the idols except Allah, the idol of their tribe, were destroyed.

[QoziKalon]

@Msunbird02 As I said Matthew 5:18-19 says it all. Jesus said to follow all of the Law and that none of it will be cancelled till the end of times. That includes all the Old Testament law. Jesus did not say to follow only 10 commandments. He spoke about all the law. You can't just pick what you want. You say ten only because the rest make you uncomfortable. Nevertheless the rest are law too. Ask any rabbi.

[Msunbird02]

@QoziKalon

As I said, the ONLY Law that has been proposed as given by G-d were the Commandments to Moses - aka G-d's Law. They're also the heart of Judaism. Jews can believe whatever they want and so can Rastafarians, Zoroastrians, Buddhists etc. As long as it doesn't harm anyone else in the process, it's cool. By contrast, Islam DEMANDS that others be harmed or killed if they don't submit. This isn't demonisation but rather a fact.

[QoziKalon]

@Msunbird02 Islam does not demand that others be harmed or killed if they don't submit. Qur'an says: "There should be no compulsion in religion". Therefore anyone who says that Islam teaches to forcefully convert others is a liar. Islam does have a concept of Jihad and war with unbelievers. But such war can only be waged under one condition: Non-Muslims attack Muslims first. You attack one of our countries - you will have Jihad. Offensive jihad is not permitted.

[QoziKalon]

@Msunbird02 And before point fingers at Islam read the Bible. The Old Testament specifically instructs to kill those of other faiths residing in towns under Hebrew control. Islam teaches that Chrisitans and Jews are free to live in Muslim state, free to practice their religion, their churches, synagogues and property are under protection of Islamic state. Christianity does not have such guarantee of rights, and Jewish Torah specifically tells to kill followers of other religions.

[QoziKalon]

@Msunbird02 Moreover, Old Testament is full of examples of human sacrifice to the God of Israel. Needless to say those sacrificed were mainly non-Hebrews. You point at Islam and describe it as horrible and murderous meanwhile the Bible by far full of examples of God demanding mass murder to an enormously greater that the Qur'an is. Apparently, Christians are ok with people being slaughtered emasse as long as they are slaughtered for their God.

[QoziKalon]

@Msunbird02 And I know, you will say that God changed the rules in the New Testament. But you still worship the God who ordered mass slaughter of human beings, including women, children, and elderly and even animals. You worship God who demanded human sacrifice. You can say all you want about New Testament being about turning the other cheek and loving the enemies, but you still worship the same God. You worship God that ordered murder of babies. God of Islam does not demand such things.

[Msunbird02]

@QoziKalon

No, there's no evidence that the Commandments have ever been changed in either Judaism or Christianity. If you're trying to tell me that the god of Islam doesn't demand killing, conversion or subjugation of ALL non-Muslims? Muhammadans have murdered 270 million people in 1400 years courtesy of Quran 9:5, 9:14,9:29, 9:123, 8:12, 8:39, 8:55, 5:60, 5:64, 5:82, 4:76, 4:90, 4:145, 3:111, 2:98, 2:193, 24:101 ... but "no muslim should be killed for killing a kafir!" (Bukhari 9.50)

[QoziKalon]

@Msunbird02 I never said that God in Islam forgives everyone and never destroyed entire nations. What I'm trying to say is that Christians always freak out about verses in the Qur'an that talk about war with unbelievers but don't even flinch when they read about much, much greater atrocities committed at the direct order of their God in the Bible. Yet, still to them Allah is evil and God is kind and loving. Kind and loving my ass, tell it to babies of Jericho or to sacrificed non Hebrew captives

[QoziKalon]

@Msunbird02 Prove that Muslims killed 270 million people. Provide sources that actually kept such statistics for 1400 years. If you dare to make such bogus accusation prove it.

[QoziKalon]

@Msunbird02 Ah thank you. Classic example of verses taken out of context. Before I start on the Qur'anic verses let's take a look at Bukhari 9:50. First off, it is not in the Qur'an, it's in the Hadith. Secondly, it is what is considered a weak hadith, meaning it has a weak chain of narrators and thus not obligatory. Thirdly, most hadith deal with sayings of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). This one deals with what Ali said. Ali is not the Prophet, his words are not obligatory for me.

[QoziKalon]

@Msunbird02 Qur'an 9:5 talks about rules of engagement during during sacred months when a ceasefire is obligatory. It talks about a specific war that took place during Prophet's (PBUH) lifetime. It is not talking about general treatment of non-Muslims at all times. Qur'an 9:14 talks about fighting the people who broke their treaty with Muslims and attacked Muslims first, as two previous verses in this chapter explain. But of course you don't bother to read the entire chapter.

[QoziKalon]

@Msunbird02 Qur'an 9:29 talks about dealing with People of the Book (Christians and Jews) who start aggression against Muslims. Jews of Medina betrayed Muslims, broke their alliance with Muslims and stroke a deal with pagans behind Muslims back. Christian power of Byzantine empire started a war against Muslims during the lifetime of the Prophet. This verse does not instruct us to attack and subjugate Christians and Jews. Qur'an prohibits us from starting a war.

[QoziKalon]

@Msunbird02 Qur'an 9:123 deals with the same war that Meccan pagans started. It does not deal with general treatment of non-Muslims. 8:12, 8:39 talk about the battle of Badr. Battle in which Muslims were attacked. In fact 8:39 specifically says: "And fight with them until there is no more persecution" Pagans persecuted and attacked Muslims. 8:55 does not deal with wars at all. It says that in the eyes of God those who disbelieve in Him are vile.

[QoziKalon]

@Msunbird02 5:60 is one that is quoted often to show that Muslims hate Jews. It says that Jews were turned into apes and pigs. If you take the verse out of context it sure appears anti-semitic. Truth is, it does not speak about all Jews. Second chapter of the Qur'an deals mentions this incident also. It speaks about a certain group of Jews that God turned into apes and pigs for repeatedly violating the Sabbath. It's not saying that all Jews are apes and swine.

[QoziKalon]

@Msunbird02 5:64 is criticizing certain groups of Jews, and does not deal with wars or killing. 5:82 says that Jews are more hostile to Muslims and Christians are more friendly. It is in fact what the situation was like when the verse was revealed. Jewish tribes of Medina were allies of Muslims but secretly dealt with pagans and betrayed Muslims. Christians were on good terms with Muslims, Christian king of Abyssinia being a great example. He gave refuge to many Muslims fleeing persecution.

[QoziKalon]

@Msunbird02 4:76 speak about the same war that Meccan pagans wages against early Muslim community. It says that in this war Muslims fight in the way of God of Abraham, and idol worshipping Meccan pagans fight in the way of the Devil (considering the fact that Meccan pagans worshipped idols and even sacrificed humans from time to time it is easy to see that they in fact served the Devil)

[QoziKalon]

@Msunbird02 4:90 deals with the same war Muslims didn't start. In fact it says that if pagans withdraw from battle and decide not to fight Muslims and offer peace God forbids Muslims from fighting them. It actually instructs us to accept peace when enemy offers it. 4:145 says that hypocrites (those who say they are Muslims, but don't really believe) will go to hell. Not different from Christianity. Saying that you accept Jesus but not believing in him won't save you now, would it?

[QoziKalon]

@Msunbird02 3:111 says that if non-Muslims attack Muslim and then turn their back they won't be helped. No instructions to start the fighting or persecute non-Muslims here. 2:98 says that if someone is an enemy to God then God is his enemy too. 2:193 speaks of the same war that pagans started. It says to fight the oppressors until there is no persecution. And lastly, 24:101 does not exist. Chapter 24 only has 64 verses.

[QoziKalon]

@Msunbird02 Thus, all Qur'anic references you provided are either specific to a certain war or certain events of the lifetime of the Prophet (PBUH), or show that Muslims were persecuted and were told to fight the oppressors, or have nothing to do with dealing with non-Muslims, or don't even exist (like your 24:101 reference). If you want to understand Qur'an read it in entirety, with Tafsirs handy to prevent misunderstanding. You can't just take verses out of context. Libel is lying and a sin.

[QoziKalon]

@Msunbird02 That is why I can't be a Christian. Because it is full of internal contradictions that cannot be resolved. No consistency, doesn't make any sense at all. Follow the law - don't follow the law. One god - three gods - three in one god. Eat bacon - don't eat bacon.

[Msunbird02]

@QoziKalon

Christianity isn't really full of internal contradictions and it's kept very simple thanks to the clarity of the 10 Commandments - which don't forbid eating pork and bacon. There's only 1 G-d of 3 distinct elements ... none of which demanded a fifth of anyone's war booty :)

[Msunbird02]

@QoziKalon Cont ...

I say that Allah was only 1 of many pagan gods worshipped at the ka'bah ... and that Muhammad made himself the head of the first Organized Crime Syndicate in recorded history by obliterating blood ties in precedence to his personal 'brotherhood' by turning believing kin against unbelieving kin for the purpose of inflicting a diabolical dogma upon millions of subjugated peoples on three continents.

[QoziKalon]

@Msunbird02 Tell your stories about diabolical dogma to millions upon millions of people to whom Christianity was brought at the point of the sword. Tell it to tens of thousands innocent people burned alive. Tell it millions of Jews who lived in fear for centuries because Christian church killed them, persecuted them, and forced them to convert. Christianity is responsible for more deaths than all other faiths combined.

[Msunbird02]

@QoziKalon Let's use honest perspective shall we? More people are killed by Islam each year than in all 350 yrs of Spanish Inquisition combined. More civilians were killed by muslims in 2 hrs on 9/11 than in 36 years of sectarian conflict in Northern Ireland. 19 Muslim hijackers killed more innocents in 2 hrs on 9/11 than the total of American criminals executed in the last 65 years. Islamic terrorists murder more people every day than the KKK has in the last 50 years.

[QoziKalon]

@Msunbird02 People are not killed by Islam. People are killed in the name of Islam. Christianity might be misused, why can't Islam be misused? You choose to see the worst in Islam because it does not match your illogical beliefs in Three in One God which in turn don't match the first half of the Bible (old testament). naturally you try to demonize it. And Inquisition is just a small part of crimes commited by Christians. Reformation claimed millions of lives, conquest of Americas did too etc.

[QoziKalon]

@Msunbird02 Spain is a great example. Under Muslim rule, Christians and Jews could live in Spain and practice their faith. When Christians took over all Muslims and Jews had to convert, or leave the country, or die. As far as Allah being worshiped by pagan Arabs, I agree. There was no idol of Allah though. Their mistake was that they worshiped other gods and idols along with Allah (The God in Arabic). Pagan Arabs themselves believed that Allah is the God of their ancestor Abraham.

[QoziKalon]

@Msunbird02 Since neither of us have factual proofs in this matter, it is a matter of belief only. I know one thing though. Allah is an omnipotent, all-knowing, absolute being. And a bearded guy nailed to a piece of wood is not an omnipotent, all-knowing, absolute being. According to the Bible, Jesus asked: "Father why have you forsaken me." right before death. Asking for information = not all-knowing. Not all-knowing = Not God. That is something neither Mark, John, Matthew nor Luke can change.

[Msunbird02]

@QoziKalon

Scripture states that Jesus intentionally refused the gift of supernatural powers b/c he wanted others to know he was just an ordinary person. The direct link to G-d was proven by having to ask for and receive help to perform miracles. Being human, J was in extreme pain and mental torment during the crucifixion. It's logical that you'd be crying out to Allah in that situation. J already knew He had to die and that was the only time G-d didn't answer with a miracle. Hope that helps.

[QoziKalon]

@Msunbird02 No it does not answer anything. You said that Jesus cried to God and God didn't answer with a miracle. This proves that Jesus is not God. But Christianity still insists that he is. So he is God, but he cries out to God for help, and God does not. I respect your beliefs, but it just doesn't make any sense to me.

[Msunbird02]

@QoziKalon

Ok. Jesus knew it was his Father's will that J should die and the purpose. That being the case, G-d would have no reason to change His mind. It doesn't make sense to you b/c as a muslim, you aren't allowed the freedom to question or deny your own beliefs.

[QoziKalon]

@Msunbird02 I choose Islam exactly because I questioned all beliefs, including Islamic. But Islamic beliefs stroke me as being very consisent and Christianity is simply illogical. Whatever you say you will never be able to explain how there is one God, but at the same time three. One on the cross talking to another, asking him questions (isn't God supposed to be all-knowing?). And at the same time being one God. It makes absolutely no sense, that is why Christianity requires blind faith.

[Adnanbrulez]

And islam also says not to pick the fights only fight if they pick a fight with u

[Adnanbrulez]

Hey dumass thats from the truth about religion.

[HeadhunterOO7]

Wtf??

[gotkoran]

LOL what muslim hipocrisy .. is that what allah teaches you? fight in the way of allah`? take a child as wife ?

[SheiRaga]

so basically the christian is emotionally attached to christianity...you can tell in the way he talks about adoption, his now dead father having been atheist, and only his mother is christian. He didn't understand the translation of the qur'an, and had no one to explain from arabic to english thoroughly, and he obviously forgot that Mohammed pbuh was an orphan, too, and that he freed and adopted a former slave for his own son.

[thegreatwhitemark]

Sashascall, genetic mutation and natural selection really should not be classified as "slow and imprecise". And life on earth is actually pretty much a trial and error type ordeal, isn't it? 95% (or more) of all creatures that have ever lived on earth over hundreds of millions of years(incl. dinosaurs, mammals, insects) are now extinct. That shows, to me at least, that most life experiments fail, and that humans, like most living species before us, will also become extinct. Some design!

[MaxSafeheaD]

Oh dear the same old - fine tuned idea.

The fact we exist is not evidence of fine tuning.

That's like throwing a tin of paint at a wall then saying the pattern was fine-tuned because if it wasn't the pattern would be different.

Islam, indeed mosyt religion is utter nonsense.

[sashascall]

That's a bad analogy. A better one would be throwing a tin of paint at the wall and having it form the Mona Lisa. We would safely assume that greater forces than the laws of physics were at play.

[MaxSafeheaD]

"A better one would be throwing a tin of paint at the wall and having it form the Mona Lisa."

I REALLY don't think so!!!

Why do you think that is a better analogy?

[sashascall]

Because of the sheer complexity of our nature. I find it unbelievable that creatures as complex as ourselves could result from a process as slow and imprecise as genetic mutation and natural selection. I'm not a biologist, so someone else might be more qualified to discuss this, but what I have learned is that the systems of our bodies work with such cooperation that it seems impossible to believe they were built one step at a time. I believe evolution requires a guiding hand.

[pricelesspam]

You are right God is REAL!

[ONESNZER0S]

What is reality when you have 6.5 billion people with a separate reality?

kdawg

[pricelesspam]

I do not think that is true.Reality is truth and it just is.

[kausidya]

@ONESNZER0S There is only one actual reality. We have many many different perspectives of that reality however.

[socrates1557]

I am a Christian and not about to convert, but I find the clear thinking and positive portrayal of the Imam very refreshing. Thank-you for helping me understand the Muslim point of view.

[amuslima99]

@socrates1557 Thank-you for your willingness to be open to understanding.

[MatrixOfDynamism]

@socrates1557 Jesus said that he does not know the hour (the end of time), neither do the angels in heaven. Since he is God he must know this but he doesn't, why?

[NathanAmbrose42]

@MatrixOfDynamism The Trinity is divinely confusing, not because it is irrational, but because God's ways are higher than ours. It's not a contradiction, Christ just does not know things that God knows in a different way than you think.

[shallenblanchard]

how can u refuse Islam when you have an educated man like this show u why islam is the ONLY WAY of life.!! Thank you

[MaxSafeheaD]

"the ONLY WAY of life"

Only if you have a natural talent for unquestioning slavery.

[jaed123]

shabir is da best of the bests...Mashallah

[TalesFreak1]

In my opinion, I just can't believe that the universe has always existed. DNA is just way too complex in my opinion to have came as it did. Not to mention the human mind. I think it is just logical to believe in God, and that Islam would be the way of life chosen by God. Which is again by logic.

[dinabouki]

dna isn't complex, our brain is too simple to understand it. the fact that a dog can't do math doesn't mean that math don't exist...

[blade004]

Well yes, taking that belief system is the easy way out and takes no effort on your part to learn more both biologically and scientifically, so you just say "God did it" and you are done with it.

No wonder over the centuries as religion ruled we never progressed as far as what we could have, its because of thought patterns such as yours on a mass scale.

Lets just make a mockery of what intelligence we do have and stunt it with the Quran & the Bible.

[IzzyBunneh]

i honestly can't listen to him trying to refute every other religion x.x

it's not about refuting other religions, it's about a reason for his belief, if there's a good reason to believe in islam, then that'd trump those other beliefs automatically anyway

[shallenblanchard]

He provides proof why there is no other religion BUT Islam...PROOF

[IzzyBunneh]

could you point it out please? because i didn't see it

[shallenblanchard]

..firstly we dont make a human being a GOD...second we dont break the first 2 commandments by what christians are famous for and giving a godly tribute to a man.

[bassplayer10000]

It's not that Christianity makes a human being "God". Christianity views that when Jesus was on Earth he was simultaneously Divine and Human, not one then the other.

[MaxSafeheaD]

If you MUST be religious.

Fortunately many modern humans have been rescued from this game of cosmic smoke and mirrors.

Unfortunately some people will always want to be intellectual slaves.

[AntiHypocrisy]

I am a Muslim because there is no other right way to go except Islam.

[blade004]

Did you believe that before or after you took the LSD trip?

[blackgobble]

That's low, is there any need for that really?

[blade004]

Is there really any need for someone to claim there is "only" one way? There is never only "one" way, everyone follows their own path and too many minds that think there is "only" one way become too many minds that are dangerous because they don't accept anything but "their" way.

Was there any need?, yes there was.