As a Feminist my self, I feel this is wrong. I promote choices for women, Including a woman's choice to be a porn star, if she chooses. It may not be my cup of tea but someones own personal bias does not have a place in feminism. Yes I believe there is ways to make the porn industry less degrading when it comes to females and males. People need to work together to promote this though.
Feminists like these give true feminists a bad name. Their comparisons between rape and softcore pornography are both ignorant and puerile. As the gentleman said previously, they just need to look at certain muslim countries to realise exactly what sexual oppression can do. Just take a look at the members of the public who actually acknowledge them. Oh yes, they all look like upstanding members of society...
I have to agree that these magazines should not be sold. This store manager is right in saying he can't talk about the stores in train stations, airports, service stations etc. because it is a separate division of the company.
However, I don't think he's able to talk for the High Stree division either because it is not up to the store where the magazines are located on the shelf, or what magazines are stocked in each store.
This is an issue for Head Office, not an individual store.
Right on - Brilliant action. Our attitude to sex and nudity in this society is messed up. The only images we are presented with of women are ones which are intensely objectified and scrutinised. This is harmful to women, men and children.
Defy the norm! Let's create a society where we are all comfortable in our bodies and where gender is irrelevant and sex is fun!
Just more proof that women are either c0ck holes or baby incubators. So remember guys: Get your c0ck hole on the pill or it'll turn into a baby incubator.
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The feminist idea is that men looking at scantily clad images of women oppresses women. That is not women's oppression,that is female privilege. Men love the female form,that's why this stuff sells. Women have the option of selling sex related services,from clothed posing in mags to prostitution. Men can also try this but men don't have the sexual power and end up earning a lot less,if anything. It's a wage gap.
Prostitution is sexual slavery as the woman or girl has no choice in what she does because she is under the cintrol of a pimp and is caught up in it because of severe poverty.When men are desperately poor they go out and sell drugs.
Wendy McElroy's A Feminist Overview Of Pornography, people. Read it, and let this nonsense cease. Let it CEASE! Let freedom reign, let us be wild and free as the uncombed hair that swarms and quivers upon your chubby legs!
I can read. It's just that my attention span lasts less than ninety minutes and, more to the point, I can't be fucking harrised to read paragraph after paragraph of anguished Canuck exposition. We're men, remember - listening attentively for long periods of time isn't really our forté. I'll say something though, you really don't like sexagenarian taxi drivers.
You can find people attractive. Hell, find the opposite sex naked attractive. Women do. But we don't purchase men, nor do we make an obsession of collecting numerous photos and oggling body parts to the same degree by any stretch of the imagination. Anything you say from now on will not be commented on.
When you say "sex sells" what you mean is a woman's body is offered up as the potential prize should you buy something else.
As long as "sex sells" is used as a justification for being an idiot, I'll have to deal with wanker comments and lecherous taxi drivers with children offering me their phone number.
No I mean sex sells products in the same way cute animals and children are used to sell products, there are adverts on television with naked or near naked men aimed at products women buy.
And Tv. And commercials. And all of your peers, and events that bars put on etc. etc. That'll feel degrading after a while, trust me. You say this is no different than what you see on the street- bloody hell, where do you live? I doubt you'd even see fully naked, oiled women standing in a "do-me-now" pose in Amsterdam's red-light district!
Have you ever looked at a lags mag? most of the pictures are of women in bikinis, often they are standing there with their hands covering their nipples and on rare occasions they are topless which is no worse than the Sun has every day and I don't see them campaigning against that.
Enough said. Anything else that's added here, I'll just roll my eyes about and give you the sexism bingo card some feminists made. Whenever we get a row of the same old arguments, we get bingo! I could win a prize! So keep it up! :D
Have you ever SERIOUSLY considered posing nude? I doubt it. You don't even have to bother. Your talent stands alone. You're considered sexual and interesting without putting on a performance and girls don't care that much to see you around the pole.
Perhaps that wouldn't bother you, so let's change the context. Pretend all we care about is how much money you have and all of our magazines tell us that it's adorable and normal to be THAT narrowly focused on your money.
A lot of women judge men on how big their bank balance is- do you really think Hugh Heffner has all thsoe bimbos because they find him sexually attractive?
If that was happening NEARLY as much, I mean even .001% as much, I'd actually dignify this with a longer response. But wow, you can't be serious. I've ended this discussion because I've grown weary. Enjoy your lads mags.
I do not read lads mags, I just find it amazing that women campaign against pictures no different than what you can see women wearing on any street or beach on a summers day, much of today's media is designed to portray both sexes as sex objects- sex sells get over it.
You mean to tell me you walk down the street and get honked and yelled at nearly every time you go out? That people you work with treat you as their equal and then later solicit you for nude photos? That we have a billion dollar trafficking industry for a women's "need", tons of magazines with half-naked buff guys on the cover and throughout
(no, one little picture stuffed in Cosmo doesn't count, I hate Cosmo) where we pour over their penis size for hours on end, and send in pictures of your penis so we can discuss what's wrong with it? You mean women are developing "addictions" to downloading the newest pictures of men and Justin Timberlake (I don't like the guy, I'm picking any aggravating celebrity I could think of) like every other male celebrity before him has decided to "liberate" himself by splaying
out on a bearskin rug with his back arched, pouting up at us with doe eyes? You mean all the guys have started dreaming about being given the honor to be splayed out on a bear skin rug but we'll still shallowly just talk about choice as if men feeling they need to do that to feel good or valued just popped out of nowhere? You mean most male musicians are gyrating half naked before their music will even be even considered by women?
You mean the entire average penis size in the UK went up, and men are being cut open and having discs inserted into their shlong when this became the norm? You mean we have a restaurant called peckers where men walk around in spandex short shorts and we examine their size, and claim to "need" this in a relationship lest we cheat?
But other men just laugh it off or do it too so therefore there's nothing sexist about the imbalance. You mean to tell me that girls have honestly, on more than 5 occasions, asked you to make-out with your guy friend for their enjoyment? Have you ever gotten hit on by a female taxi driver 40 years your senior, with kids? Is every male newscaster young and gorgeous? And Your friends are all signing up for classes in pole dancing?
I can affirm that what others do affects my girlfriend even if she decides not to participate in it. What other people decide, affects women as a whole. People on the street don't ask women for their life story before they treat her like T&A, and if other girls, and these mags are saying it's cute to treat women in general that way, then yes, even women who find it insulting will have to put up with lecherous or degrading treatment. Nice arguing with you, well it wasn't much of a debate.
It's condescending, and it's meant as a belittling term. Really, it's all about context. If my boyfriend says it to me, it's sweet. If a guy arguing on the opposite side of an issue calls me sweetie as a way to discount my point, it's a passive-agressive way of saying "ohh, you're so cute when you're mad about nothing".
Whether or not you think I'm a nutbar or not for my ideals, use rational argument, not name-calling to get your point accross. Or appeal to empathy. Anything. I notice you didn't use a cutsie name for my boyfriend who also disagreed on here. Why's that? Is he not entitled to feel a little special? :P
Or alternatively... "you women kick ass, provided the ass belongs to an over-worked, under-paid, entirely faceless corporate minion who hasn't done anything wrong and just wants to get the working day done so he can go home to his kids. Stay loud and irrational!"
Yes much easier to harass a guy who wants to look at pictures of women in bikinis than campaign on equal pay for women like an intelligent feminist would, girl power and all that shite as Geri Halliwell would say while flashing her tits.
It may not mean anything to you, but as someone who can't walk down the street without being yelled or gawked at, I find the "boys will be boys" attitude that these mags encourage to be disturbing.
If I can't hang out with anyone without them requesting for me to makeout with a female friend or asking whether I like anal, and then yelling about what a prude I am if I don't respond, then I'm not regarded as their equal. I'm regarded as entertainment.
What does that have to do with lads' mags? Lads' mags don't ask you to make out with your friends. Lads' mags don't ask you if you like anal. Maybe you need to move out of Canada. It sounds unpleasant. Although I went to Toronto once and everyone was nice to me. Perhaps you're just not a people person.
AreYouPositive: I've responded to you, but I'll add this. I'm not alone in that view. Because many women have decided to try and adapt to sexism is not reason for it to continue. Obviously it's not just Canada in which women are getting this, or these women would not be protesting over in the great UK.
You say sexist, I say sexy. Presumably you're taking the classic line of argument that the women who are merely 'adapting to sexism' are merely too unintelligent to recognise that they are mere tools of the patriarchy? I see a whole lot more woman-hate in that way of thinking than I see in any lads' magazine I've ever read.
And not because you've outsmarted me, but because it's pointless to try and explain something to someone who benefits greatly from the very opposite. I haven't heard one solid argument and before you go into this "woman hating" crap, you should know that if it's made almost damn near impossible for me to have my stance without being constantly belittled
, then of course many other women are going to try to adapt to it than be belittled as well for not looking/being that way. I'd reccomend an essay to you on this topic in which some feminists have more or less alluded to it being better to try and like what's not going away, than to try and change it.
We do not live in a vacum, and choices that the models make, and the readers make, have larger affects on other people. Legal equality is important, but social equality is equally important. :) And now, I end this discussion with you guys because as much as I know you're terrified that this Canadian girl is going to take down a billion dollar empire, I'm probably not. (YET, anyways *cackle*) I still have to say I admire what they've done and I think it took a lot of guts.
"But it isn't my place to tell women what to buy."
However you apparently think it is your place to tell men what to buy by bulling magazine shops and haranguing the male buyers themselves. How ironic a so called "feminist" that openly embraces sexism.
Judging by your favorite video's, I do not think your opinion should matter on anything. So run along and buy some Axe and keep playing the overdone know it all macho attitude, you MAY be able to make a marriage work with an obedient asian women :) lol chump.
I assume you are talking to me, like I said I don't agree with marriage and don't really find asian women that attractive, you politically correct prudish ass.
There is no link. It has been illustrated time and again. Once again, I would refer you to Wendy McElroy's Feminist Overview Of Pornography, although I have no doubt that none of you wil read it, being too busy covering up potentially erotic table legs and haranguing underpaid shopkeepers.
Read it - Don't see what it has to do with porn though. Erotic merchandise, yes, but not porn per se.
I don't like that kind of stuff anyway. It's tacky, cringeworthy and attention-whoring of the worst kind. If women didn't buy it, I'm sure they'd quickly disappear.
But it isn't my place to tell women what to buy. It would be better to go to the women involved and ask them why they buy it, and try and persuade them not to.
I'm also not sure what it has to do with lad's mags. Lad's mags are aimed at (hetero) men, and I know a few men who buy it. They don't think of women as sex objects though.
Well done on the video and demo, it would be good to get more guys involved too, there are many intellectual ones out there that oppose the harm this does to women. By the way, it's also recognised to cause damage to men in many ways, including their relationships, some rely on it too much, become addicted, desensitized and sexually inadequate without their 'fix'. Anyway, keep up the good work!
The only damage it has done to me is my wrists lol, but really I would have less of a problem if they campaigned about violent hardcore porn rather than women in bikinis as I say what is the difference between a model in a bikini in a mag and one walking down the street in summer?
That site has studies which show a negativecorrelation between crime and porn. It also shows declining sex crimes in countries with high porn consumption.
I like this debate - the ongoing critique of feminism has a real cyclical beauty to it: the overtones of aggression and undertones of insecurity. You guys ROCK!
Why is it impossible for feminists to counter points without accusations of misogyny, sexism, fear, insecurity or any other character flaws of the arguer? Is your argument really so weak it needs augmenting from ad-hom attacks?
Incidentally, you happen to be one of the more reasonable debaters. I'm disappointed you sunk to this.
taintedjim. they don't 'sink' to this. They were always there. When you ask valid q's like you have, you force them to answer, they cannot answer truthfully without showing their ignorance and sexism. It always happens with these fools.
But aren't the ladies in the clip being aggressive and yet insecure? Certainly, that insane tract about eyebrow-plucking crams more of both into one short spell of lunacy than any of the hateful misogyny (or 'disagreeing with you', as I prefer to call it) that I could hope to muster.
Youstink: The only tones of aggression and insecurity here are coming from your side. You are acting like insecure, aggressive dictators who want to dictate to us which videos we can and cant watch (i.e, as in what emfems said about lastwaltz), what magazines we can and cant buy/read, and what magazines as a store owner we can and cant sell.
If I wanted people like you in charge telling me what videos I can and cant watch, and what magazines I can and cant buy and sell, Id move to North Korea.
I like the way they said it was a great success- yeah 70 signatures in a busy high street is a real success ladies, love thsoe websites there is a lovely rational site called Dead Men Don't Rape and Porn Detective who runs a campaign of terror against legal businesses- these people are nothing more than terrorists like the extreme animal rights nutters.
emfems: And what exactly do the legal video's that Lastwaltz chooses to watch have to do with "lad mags"? That's right nothing. It's easier to make a personal attack then actually debate the facts isn't it?
As for men having meaningful relationships with women , why bother. The deck is stacked in a womans favor. It's much better to fuck 'em and chuck 'em like the whores they are. Western women at least.
Thanks, it makes me laugh he actually went so far as to look at my profile to see who I subscribed too rather than debate my points, so I and many males like looking at women in lingerie etc so what? it is sexuality- like a 15 year old is going to be a rapist because he looks at FHM or Nuts? please, these crazy women are trying to stop natural sexuality, I don't like looking at the Bodybuilder & Gay mags in WH Smiths with near naked men on the cover
They either ignore the question and continue repeating the same old 'exploitation, men bad women innocent yadda yadda' or just try ancient ad hominems. Boring skanks. Approach the girls who do this? Course not. There is a risk that they will be forced to hear the truth that's why. The girls would probably say 'i do it because the money is great and all i have to do is strip, or get fucked, which i love anyway. now fuck off you silly woman and get a life, or campaign about something that matters'
Exactly, like Abi Titmuss gives a toss about being a sexual object- she loves it and she gets paid well to pose, sex sells, always has and always will, it is not the models faukt that people want to see their bodies unlike these Millie Tant's who are usually overweight and ugly like their great leader the late Dworkin.
If we look at Lastwaltz's profile we can see he subscribes to a site with underage girls doing sexually explicit dancing in their pyjamas...mmm what deep,meaningful relationships he must have with women.
I cannot see any girls in my subscriptions who are under 16, deep meaningful relationships? who wants those? not me, I am not a Bible basher or one of these jumped up feminist killjoys, what is in these magazines is no worse than what kids can see on the beach or wealking down the street in summer- what next try to ban women wearing bikinis or going topless on the beach?
taintedjim, you may want to go to makeupyourownstatistics dot com. Please make sure you do so in a rational way, prepared for adult debate, with no intellectual or moral nonsense. i'm so glad to see you and your fellow critics are wallowing in the foothills looking up at the moral high ground (oh, look out for irony, you seem to miss it every time)
Whatever you say, Turing. I think it speaks volumes that you feel the need to assert your moral superiority.
Much like the "pro-life", all you're about is imposing your own morals on everyone else. If that's your "moral highground", take it. Be sure to pack a torch though, I hear it's dark underground.
God talk about a bunch of ugly, jumped up dykes- my god people might open up a magazine and see good looking women's bodies, it is not even hardcore just boobs, like that ugly one's comment I don't want to pose naked well nobody would want to see you naked anyway.
To all the women who may be reading this: If you want to discuss any of the issues that bother you in a rational manner, don't turn to the moral and intellectual cowards who posted this video. Try a site like IIDB (google it). High argumentative standards, huge crowds and generally excellent-quality debates.
Don't let the knuckle-draggers drag legitimate issues through the mud with their silly antics.
I would urge all of you to visit this very interesting blog entry relating to Charlie and her friends - incurable-hippie dot blogspot dot com/2007/04/bullies-defending-patriarchy dot html (sorry, you have to type it in). Note how the pro-porners are all, almost to the very last, polite and rational, whereas the anti-porners are abusive and entirely uninterested in statistical evidence that suggests there is no causal link between pornography and rape. Interesting, I think you'll all agree.
Intersting link and an interesting debate on there, however if I may make a slight correction to your statement. Many of the people who critisise "Charlie Grrl" and her ilk are not necessarily "pro-porn", they are however "anti-censorship".
DrFruad they will never target the women in the mags because they believe women can never do any wrong. Thats what feminazis believe and thats why they hate men and blame us for EVERYTHING.
Women prostesting about women exposing themselves, but of course blaming men for objectifying them, "it's all men's fault". Why not get to the heart of the matter and hassle the women who are exposing themselves for these lad's mags? Dumb bitches.
Jxthree there is a violence against women act and that is destructive yet no act exists to protect men. You are a typical feminazi and you are a gutless coward who think that harrassing that poor man in the clip is brave but it isn't. You wouldnt last five minutes with seasoned mra's as they'd eat you for breakfast.
Dirk- does it ever cross your little MRA brain that maybe us 'feminazis' are just bored with having to deal with pathetic men who have their head so far up their arse they seem to believe rape is committed or could be committed in equal numbers by women.
"I *yawned* because the points you make are predictable and boring and I'd rather not waste my time responding to such inanity."
A typical entitlement princess response. After she's throughly discredited and made to look foolish she picks up her marbles and stomps off yelling: "I don't want to play with you any more!" Some how fooling herself into thinking that by conceding the argument she has won.
I honestly think the problem with these feminists is that they're just jealous of the girls who appear in these mags. Instead of moaning and whinging about the blokes who buy them, why not confront the girls who appear in them and see what they have to say on the subject? Just a pity the guy from Smiths wasn't used to dealing with rabid fanatics, I would dearly like to confront these types and see how they fare against me!
Darkangel- oh wow, you ingenuity is astounding. Have you been using the 'you're just jealous' argument since you were in primary school? That's usually where it starts, isn't it? it should be where it ends as well. Try bringing a mature argument to the table next time, otherwise you just embarrass yourself.
Mature argument? That's a laugh coming from you! Have you ever seen a bunch of men protesting outside a Chippendales performance (or whoever) saying it re-enforces a negative images of men? No? Why is that? Are you going to start protesting outside beauty parlours next for re-enforcing the notion that women have to "pluck their eyebrows" and look a certain way in order to fit in? Thats about the strength of your argument!
Men don't need to protest because they are not completely overwhelmed by the images, messages and actions of our society that makes them out to be sexual objects. So no, I wouldn't be complaining if i were a man either.
Well I've not seen any overwhelming messages telling women they HAVE to be a certain way, but I suppose if you look hard enough you'll find it. If you object to these publications thats fine, no ones forcing you to like them, simply don't buy them. But don't try and force your own personal moral viewpoints onto others. This is supposedly a free country after all.
what the hell is wrong with you people that are completely confused as to what female sexuality is? It is only because you are so conditioned to believe that female sexuality=pandering to male desire that you can view lads mags and think that the images have ANYTHING to do with female sexuality. Do men pose in this manner when expressing their sexuallity? Try recreating a few of those poses and you will see just how artificial they are.
And what, do you presume to speak for all women, everywhere? Did you seem my post a bit back about the feminist defence of porn? Some women do that because they want to, not because they're pandering to male desire. Just because it doesn't conform to YOUR view of female sexuality, doesn't mean it holds true for everyone. As with abortion, choice is key.
I don't presume to speak for all women, but I'm guessing YOU ARE NOT A WOMAN, so you can't really speak AT ALL about female sexuality. I don't deny that some women choose to do porn, not surprising, since it pays so well, but what has that got to do with female sexuality?
Because you and your cohorts whine about how porn you don't like is degrading or not reflective of female sexuality. Why don't you just admit it doesn't reflect YOUR view of female sexuality and stop pretending your speaking for every women? That's what it sounds like. I can quote you if you like.
Has anyone else noticed that there's about three people defending this clip, and that three of those five were actually there...? I guess this means they now have 72 signatures, rather than 70...
Maxi you bloody retard that was an old joke picture by some other blogger last year. If you even read Fred X you would know he's actually young, not elderly.
At the risk of appearing to dismiss what people say based on what they look like I invite you all to view this picture of FredX, the man responsible for linking to this video and encouraging other equally-minded to men to ridicule the female protesters based on - wait for it - their appearance:
stopmyabortion dot blogspot dot com /2006/10/top-ten-uses-for-my-aborted_15 dot html
" secular humanism Wendy McElroy " Stick that into Google without the quotes and click the first result.
Here's a very good peice on a defence of porn by liberal feminism. If you're too close-minded to listen to the opinions of men, listen to the opinions of your allies.
It's the classic feminazi M.O. - Make an issue out of something in order to exercise control other others, or to garner special treatment and benefits for women (with no merit of course) and if it doesn't work, resort to ad hominem attacks in the hope of derailing the discussion and clouding their boundless ignorance, infantilism, narcissism and histrionic personality disorder. I have never met a feminist would could logically and factually argue any points I raise. Damn marxists.
By the way, I noticed emfem didn't take me up on answering the more civil posters. Like I said, it's easy to blindside a store clerk who has to think on his feet in public, where you can claim misogyny or sexism when you're challenged, but a tad more difficult when we can dissect your points at our leisure.
What I'm sensing here is that the sexist arseholes searching for their porn have got pissed off because they've come across a protest by a group of women who won't get their tits out for them.
Heaven forbid such women should walk the planet! Heaven forbid such women should exercise their right to use their minds and voices to stand up against their exploitation and discrimination!
Proof that in the minds of some men, women should just shut up and strip off for them.
<snicker> I fail to take you seriously. If you've ever come across a single man who wasn't bothered that you didn't get your tits out, your pathetic point is instantly demolished.
Is there a single argument you people rely on that doesn't include shaming language?
Yes, I have come across men who aren't bothered if I don't get my tits out for them, if you read my comment properly you would see that I said 'some' men, not all, deem women as nothing more than sex objects. So I think my point still stands.
Your not exactly telling the truth when you say you said "some men", you were specifically speaking about us, here, the ones arguing with you.
So no, your point doesn't stand unless you can prove all of us are pissed off by the concept some women won't get their tits out for us. Try another argument which doesn't depend on hubris.
I don't think you have to worry about men wanting to see you unclothed too much honey. Most men would pay to NOT be forced to see women with user names like: 'hairy Feminist' or 'manly dyke' unclothed. I SENSE an undercurrent of jealousy in your posts. Just because you're the ugly girl and men aren't sexually attracted to you doesn't mean that you have to take out your frustration on anyone who happens to be born male and doesn't buy into your oppressive radical ideology.
Ah, I knew my user name would prompt a response like this. So predictable. I'm not attractive to the likes of you? I couldn't give a shit. In actual fact, it's a blessing!
"Ah, I knew my user name would prompt a response like this. So predictable."
Predictable because it's true.
"I'm not attractive to the likes of you? I couldn't give a shit. In actual fact, it's a blessing!"
Now that's a case of sour grapes if I've ever heard one. No you're not only unattractive to me, you're unattractive to the majority of the male gender. And thats why you're so pissed off at men and the females that they desire.
Also, you're moaning about people 'supporting sexism' (WTF) by not trying to stop porn? That's pathetic. If anything it's men in porn who are exploited. Women get paid more. And if you want to take that stance. How about not supporting slave labour and murder by not using anything 'made in China' or Big Pharma.
FMWatkins, forget it. It seems they can harass the average joe getting his lad rag, or some hapless WHSmiths clerk, but when it comes to defending their position in an atmosphere where they can't blindside them, they aren't so good.
They are self indulgent infantile idiots. I'm talking about the 'protestors.' They refuse to engage in debate, instead believing they are morally superior to all opposing views by virtue of their own delusions of grandeur.
Really, trying to impose my personal feelings and force all others to change to match me sounds a bit like a dictatorship to me. It implies they are superior to everyone else. Which is the typical attitude of these pathetic feminists.
unlike the mens rights movement hey? Looking at your comments and some of your friends you don't actually engage in debate. just abuse and nonsense and then keep banging on about 'feminists' (like all feminists believe in the same thing) not debating..
If you want to take the moral highground, hows about addressing some of the points brought up? Even ignoring the more hostile folks like me, there are folks here who made points without being aggressive.
It's not just that they believe they're morally superior. It's that they believe that anyone who expresses views which support the dominant hegemony are servants of "The Man."
Yes, the foolish feminist in red revealed her totalitarian agenda when she says (notice its to the hesitant looking, attractive girl) ''thats not what women should be doing''. She hates it that any women choose to partake in porn. No one here really believes that she doesnt know those women get paid, that many of them probabaly feel really good about looking beautiful. Too many women are making taking a choice she doesn't approve of and therefore that choice should be taken away.
I'm sick and tired of moralists trying to suppress male sexuality. Porn falls into the realm of male fantasy, which takes place in the mind. These harpies want to control the male imagination. Their pretext is that porn "sends a message" about how they should properly act and view themselves. This tells us that such feminists have tied their identity to women in fantasy magazines. They now project their self-identity onto the rest of society, expecting us all to adapt to their self-loathing.
The irony is they want to suppress female sexuality too. emfem and co. don't care whether or not the women involved in porn, or the women who consume porn themselves, will be affected. No, what's important is their own brand of morality and their own feelings.
This, of course, conforms to cultural Marxism perfectly. It's all about creating a "counter hegemony" with which to undermine the dominant forces in society. Feminists DO care about the views and beliefs of others. What's worse, they believe that it's their legitimate right to use force to change the views of others. Totalitarian pigs!
Angry Harry, Fred X and Eternal Bachelor (plus many other MRA's) condemn REAL issues. VAWA, rape shield law and the draft are just some areas that are in need of rectifying. I am an avid supporter of justice and feminazis are not fighting for justice. Instead of crying misogyny like Tainedjim pointed out why won't you address REAL issues.
For those who are ignorant enough to believe a free market means equality and freedom, well, I just pity your lack of insight into the world you live in; 'free market' means the interests of the rich and powerful. Yes, take responsibility, demand an erotic life not dictated by corporate interests and a hegemonic notion of sexual and aesthetic standards.
These bitches need a dose of penis........a good dose of penis would cure them
gthbf1 3 weeks ago
As a Feminist my self, I feel this is wrong. I promote choices for women, Including a woman's choice to be a porn star, if she chooses. It may not be my cup of tea but someones own personal bias does not have a place in feminism. Yes I believe there is ways to make the porn industry less degrading when it comes to females and males. People need to work together to promote this though.
BathoryAfterMidnight 2 months ago in playlist Feminism, Pornography & Sex Trade Issues - Porn Culture
Feminists like these give true feminists a bad name. Their comparisons between rape and softcore pornography are both ignorant and puerile. As the gentleman said previously, they just need to look at certain muslim countries to realise exactly what sexual oppression can do. Just take a look at the members of the public who actually acknowledge them. Oh yes, they all look like upstanding members of society...
PoetryBrothelUK 8 months ago
fuck off and die, leave the poor guy alone, he's only earning his wages,
etccdannyboy 2 years ago 2
I have to agree that these magazines should not be sold. This store manager is right in saying he can't talk about the stores in train stations, airports, service stations etc. because it is a separate division of the company.
However, I don't think he's able to talk for the High Stree division either because it is not up to the store where the magazines are located on the shelf, or what magazines are stocked in each store.
This is an issue for Head Office, not an individual store.
sunnyguy1991 2 years ago
the attitude and blatant rapist thrests on her out line right out what alot of men think of women who are sexualy political and emotional strong!
pilomaya2012 2 years ago
Take it like the bitch you are.
PowerHeal 2 years ago
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ConfederRickSoldier 2 years ago
Tits or GTFO
these bitches need a good hard cock in their mouth,
poddingtonpease 2 years ago
This is agony. She plucks her eye brows to fit in with society...give me a break.
Muslim countries have crushing anti-porn laws and see the depths it has taken them to. Women are covered head to toe and rape is rampant.
AbelMagwitch73 2 years ago 2
these dykes never stop whining and why are they so dull and predictable and ugly :(
shazam20007 2 years ago
Right on - Brilliant action. Our attitude to sex and nudity in this society is messed up. The only images we are presented with of women are ones which are intensely objectified and scrutinised. This is harmful to women, men and children.
Defy the norm! Let's create a society where we are all comfortable in our bodies and where gender is irrelevant and sex is fun!
hindustani19 2 years ago
stupid bitches
gthbf 4 years ago
Or in this case, get insdel2004's girlfriend an unlicenced shotgun to blow his fucking brains out, COCKHOLE.
travisbicklesmagnum 4 years ago
Just more proof that women are either c0ck holes or baby incubators. So remember guys: Get your c0ck hole on the pill or it'll turn into a baby incubator.
insdel2004 4 years ago
how can they complain about this mags being put at "child level" when they have cut out all the pics and have their kid stading next to all them?
barcarditeaser 4 years ago
GAIA'S REVENGE is hitting men where it hurts, delicious irony that SHE is targeting Her comeback IN JUST THE RIGHT PLACE (the testicles men are going extinct low sperm counts & DEFORMED sperm) Woman can reproduce with other woman instead of cloning by having the 23 chromosomes from another female egg injected into her egg Two woman parenting is coming 'The Y chromosome is crumbling before our eyes' See Rasa Von Werder YouTube
rasavonwerder 4 years ago
What about havin a child with a person that you love?This message for rasavonwerder
Janvierireland 4 years ago
The feminist idea is that men looking at scantily clad images of women oppresses women. That is not women's oppression,that is female privilege. Men love the female form,that's why this stuff sells. Women have the option of selling sex related services,from clothed posing in mags to prostitution. Men can also try this but men don't have the sexual power and end up earning a lot less,if anything. It's a wage gap.
DancerInTheHeart 4 years ago
Prostitution is sexual slavery as the woman or girl has no choice in what she does because she is under the cintrol of a pimp and is caught up in it because of severe poverty.When men are desperately poor they go out and sell drugs.
Janvierireland 4 years ago
Wendy McElroy's A Feminist Overview Of Pornography, people. Read it, and let this nonsense cease. Let it CEASE! Let freedom reign, let us be wild and free as the uncombed hair that swarms and quivers upon your chubby legs!
AreYouPositive 4 years ago
To break up the sheer retardedness of this, go here for some eye bleach: (Replacing DOT with . obviously)
mfrostDOTtypepadDOTcom/cute_overload/2007/06/oh_for_crappingDOThtml
taintedjim 4 years ago
We've done that, several times. It didn't work, so now we're at the "trading insults" stage. Please try to stay in step.
AreYouPositive 4 years ago
I have a row, B-I-N-G-O.
None of you raise any valid counter arguments, your attempts to deny the obvious would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.
toymachine083 4 years ago
I can read. It's just that my attention span lasts less than ninety minutes and, more to the point, I can't be fucking harrised to read paragraph after paragraph of anguished Canuck exposition. We're men, remember - listening attentively for long periods of time isn't really our forté. I'll say something though, you really don't like sexagenarian taxi drivers.
AreYouPositive 4 years ago
You can find people attractive. Hell, find the opposite sex naked attractive. Women do. But we don't purchase men, nor do we make an obsession of collecting numerous photos and oggling body parts to the same degree by any stretch of the imagination. Anything you say from now on will not be commented on.
thequeenbean 4 years ago
When you say "sex sells" what you mean is a woman's body is offered up as the potential prize should you buy something else.
As long as "sex sells" is used as a justification for being an idiot, I'll have to deal with wanker comments and lecherous taxi drivers with children offering me their phone number.
thequeenbean 4 years ago
No I mean sex sells products in the same way cute animals and children are used to sell products, there are adverts on television with naked or near naked men aimed at products women buy.
lastwaltz 4 years ago
And Tv. And commercials. And all of your peers, and events that bars put on etc. etc. That'll feel degrading after a while, trust me. You say this is no different than what you see on the street- bloody hell, where do you live? I doubt you'd even see fully naked, oiled women standing in a "do-me-now" pose in Amsterdam's red-light district!
thequeenbean 4 years ago
Have you ever looked at a lags mag? most of the pictures are of women in bikinis, often they are standing there with their hands covering their nipples and on rare occasions they are topless which is no worse than the Sun has every day and I don't see them campaigning against that.
lastwaltz 4 years ago
Bloody hell. Go bite-sized, go bite-sized!
AreYouPositive 4 years ago
Enough said. Anything else that's added here, I'll just roll my eyes about and give you the sexism bingo card some feminists made. Whenever we get a row of the same old arguments, we get bingo! I could win a prize! So keep it up! :D
thequeenbean 4 years ago
Have you ever SERIOUSLY considered posing nude? I doubt it. You don't even have to bother. Your talent stands alone. You're considered sexual and interesting without putting on a performance and girls don't care that much to see you around the pole.
Perhaps that wouldn't bother you, so let's change the context. Pretend all we care about is how much money you have and all of our magazines tell us that it's adorable and normal to be THAT narrowly focused on your money.
thequeenbean 4 years ago
A lot of women judge men on how big their bank balance is- do you really think Hugh Heffner has all thsoe bimbos because they find him sexually attractive?
lastwaltz 4 years ago
What about the sexual leering of many women towards men and treating them as sex objects? it cuts both ways.
britishjimbo 4 years ago
If that was happening NEARLY as much, I mean even .001% as much, I'd actually dignify this with a longer response. But wow, you can't be serious. I've ended this discussion because I've grown weary. Enjoy your lads mags.
thequeenbean 4 years ago
I do not read lads mags, I just find it amazing that women campaign against pictures no different than what you can see women wearing on any street or beach on a summers day, much of today's media is designed to portray both sexes as sex objects- sex sells get over it.
britishjimbo 4 years ago
You mean to tell me you walk down the street and get honked and yelled at nearly every time you go out? That people you work with treat you as their equal and then later solicit you for nude photos? That we have a billion dollar trafficking industry for a women's "need", tons of magazines with half-naked buff guys on the cover and throughout
thequeenbean 4 years ago
I GET HONKED AND YELLED AT.
Janvierireland 4 years ago
(no, one little picture stuffed in Cosmo doesn't count, I hate Cosmo) where we pour over their penis size for hours on end, and send in pictures of your penis so we can discuss what's wrong with it? You mean women are developing "addictions" to downloading the newest pictures of men and Justin Timberlake (I don't like the guy, I'm picking any aggravating celebrity I could think of) like every other male celebrity before him has decided to "liberate" himself by splaying
thequeenbean 4 years ago
out on a bearskin rug with his back arched, pouting up at us with doe eyes? You mean all the guys have started dreaming about being given the honor to be splayed out on a bear skin rug but we'll still shallowly just talk about choice as if men feeling they need to do that to feel good or valued just popped out of nowhere? You mean most male musicians are gyrating half naked before their music will even be even considered by women?
thequeenbean 4 years ago
You mean the entire average penis size in the UK went up, and men are being cut open and having discs inserted into their shlong when this became the norm? You mean we have a restaurant called peckers where men walk around in spandex short shorts and we examine their size, and claim to "need" this in a relationship lest we cheat?
thequeenbean 4 years ago
Great comments thequeenbean
Janvierireland 4 years ago
But other men just laugh it off or do it too so therefore there's nothing sexist about the imbalance. You mean to tell me that girls have honestly, on more than 5 occasions, asked you to make-out with your guy friend for their enjoyment? Have you ever gotten hit on by a female taxi driver 40 years your senior, with kids? Is every male newscaster young and gorgeous? And Your friends are all signing up for classes in pole dancing?
thequeenbean 4 years ago
Is every female newscaster young and gorgeous? nope.
lastwaltz 4 years ago
I can affirm that what others do affects my girlfriend even if she decides not to participate in it. What other people decide, affects women as a whole. People on the street don't ask women for their life story before they treat her like T&A, and if other girls, and these mags are saying it's cute to treat women in general that way, then yes, even women who find it insulting will have to put up with lecherous or degrading treatment. Nice arguing with you, well it wasn't much of a debate.
toymachine083 4 years ago
Was that even English?
AreYouPositive 4 years ago
What was so difficult about understanding that? Can you read?
thequeenbean 4 years ago
Yes, but only well-constructed sentences and grammar that doesn't sound like it was essayed by a psychopath.
AreYouPositive 4 years ago
What is wrong with calling a woman sweetheart or darling or a woman calling a man the same things for that matter? it is a nice term.
britishjimbo 4 years ago
It's condescending, and it's meant as a belittling term. Really, it's all about context. If my boyfriend says it to me, it's sweet. If a guy arguing on the opposite side of an issue calls me sweetie as a way to discount my point, it's a passive-agressive way of saying "ohh, you're so cute when you're mad about nothing".
thequeenbean 4 years ago
Whether or not you think I'm a nutbar or not for my ideals, use rational argument, not name-calling to get your point accross. Or appeal to empathy. Anything. I notice you didn't use a cutsie name for my boyfriend who also disagreed on here. Why's that? Is he not entitled to feel a little special? :P
thequeenbean 4 years ago
Some of the lads do actually, they ask them if they like it up the harris and most of the girls usually slappers say yes
britishjimbo 4 years ago
Or alternatively... "you women kick ass, provided the ass belongs to an over-worked, under-paid, entirely faceless corporate minion who hasn't done anything wrong and just wants to get the working day done so he can go home to his kids. Stay loud and irrational!"
AreYouPositive 4 years ago
No, I think I meant what I said, thanks. :)
thequeenbean 4 years ago
I wasn't quoting you, sweets. Just offering an alternative interpretation. I prefer my version, actually. It's catchy.
AreYouPositive 4 years ago
If you actually said "sweets" to her in public you would be picking your bloody teeth up off the payment courtesy of me :D
toymachine083 4 years ago
(Pavement) and I forgot to mention how condescending that sort of baby talk is.
toymachine083 4 years ago
Yes, dear, I'm sure I would...
AreYouPositive 4 years ago
Yes much easier to harass a guy who wants to look at pictures of women in bikinis than campaign on equal pay for women like an intelligent feminist would, girl power and all that shite as Geri Halliwell would say while flashing her tits.
britishjimbo 4 years ago
It may not mean anything to you, but as someone who can't walk down the street without being yelled or gawked at, I find the "boys will be boys" attitude that these mags encourage to be disturbing.
If I can't hang out with anyone without them requesting for me to makeout with a female friend or asking whether I like anal, and then yelling about what a prude I am if I don't respond, then I'm not regarded as their equal. I'm regarded as entertainment.
thequeenbean 4 years ago
What does that have to do with lads' mags? Lads' mags don't ask you to make out with your friends. Lads' mags don't ask you if you like anal. Maybe you need to move out of Canada. It sounds unpleasant. Although I went to Toronto once and everyone was nice to me. Perhaps you're just not a people person.
AreYouPositive 4 years ago
Did you delete my response to this?
thequeenbean 4 years ago
AreYouPositive: I've responded to you, but I'll add this. I'm not alone in that view. Because many women have decided to try and adapt to sexism is not reason for it to continue. Obviously it's not just Canada in which women are getting this, or these women would not be protesting over in the great UK.
thequeenbean 4 years ago
You say sexist, I say sexy. Presumably you're taking the classic line of argument that the women who are merely 'adapting to sexism' are merely too unintelligent to recognise that they are mere tools of the patriarchy? I see a whole lot more woman-hate in that way of thinking than I see in any lads' magazine I've ever read.
AreYouPositive 4 years ago
Think what you want then, I'm done arguing with the lot of you. :)
thequeenbean 4 years ago
And not because you've outsmarted me, but because it's pointless to try and explain something to someone who benefits greatly from the very opposite. I haven't heard one solid argument and before you go into this "woman hating" crap, you should know that if it's made almost damn near impossible for me to have my stance without being constantly belittled
thequeenbean 4 years ago
, then of course many other women are going to try to adapt to it than be belittled as well for not looking/being that way. I'd reccomend an essay to you on this topic in which some feminists have more or less alluded to it being better to try and like what's not going away, than to try and change it.
thequeenbean 4 years ago
But I doubt you'd read the entire thing. But it's a great essay written by a woman I admire.
thequeenbean 4 years ago
We do not live in a vacum, and choices that the models make, and the readers make, have larger affects on other people. Legal equality is important, but social equality is equally important. :) And now, I end this discussion with you guys because as much as I know you're terrified that this Canadian girl is going to take down a billion dollar empire, I'm probably not. (YET, anyways *cackle*) I still have to say I admire what they've done and I think it took a lot of guts.
thequeenbean 4 years ago
*vaccum, that is to say.
thequeenbean 4 years ago
You women kick ass.
Wish I lived there so I could join you. :)
Stay strong!
thequeenbean 4 years ago
"But it isn't my place to tell women what to buy."
However you apparently think it is your place to tell men what to buy by bulling magazine shops and haranguing the male buyers themselves. How ironic a so called "feminist" that openly embraces sexism.
insdel2004 4 years ago
I can't tell you how gratifying it is that this thread died on its arse.
AreYouPositive 4 years ago
But feminism lives on...
HairyFeminist 4 years ago
I work at smiths..im glad to be pissing feminist idiots like these off.
mervyit 4 years ago
Ah..a "300" fan, that'll be the day when I get offended by your kind.
toymachine083 4 years ago
I remember when Smiths used to sell Playboy and Penthouse- these women would probably be burning the shops down if they still were.
britishjimbo 4 years ago
Judging by your favorite video's, I do not think your opinion should matter on anything. So run along and buy some Axe and keep playing the overdone know it all macho attitude, you MAY be able to make a marriage work with an obedient asian women :) lol chump.
toymachine083 4 years ago
I assume you are talking to me, like I said I don't agree with marriage and don't really find asian women that attractive, you politically correct prudish ass.
britishjimbo 4 years ago
Correct punctuation, correct spelling and grammar are often considered a plus in the modern media.
AreYouPositive 4 years ago
It doesn't have anything to do with lads' mags. So, in that sense, it's every bit as effective as this protest.
AreYouPositive 4 years ago
There is no link. It has been illustrated time and again. Once again, I would refer you to Wendy McElroy's Feminist Overview Of Pornography, although I have no doubt that none of you wil read it, being too busy covering up potentially erotic table legs and haranguing underpaid shopkeepers.
AreYouPositive 4 years ago
hehheh - just an emotive response to your emotive responses..
Right, seriously read this article guys:
counterpunch dot org
Go to <search> at the top of the page
Type in <rothenberg feminism>
And it's the first thing Google brings up
It should help explain *why* we make the link between 'harmless' porn and harm to women.
Will check out your site next week TJ.
Youstink66 4 years ago
Found it this time.
I'll read it in a bit.
taintedjim 4 years ago
Read it - Don't see what it has to do with porn though. Erotic merchandise, yes, but not porn per se.
I don't like that kind of stuff anyway. It's tacky, cringeworthy and attention-whoring of the worst kind. If women didn't buy it, I'm sure they'd quickly disappear.
But it isn't my place to tell women what to buy. It would be better to go to the women involved and ask them why they buy it, and try and persuade them not to.
taintedjim 4 years ago
I'm also not sure what it has to do with lad's mags. Lad's mags are aimed at (hetero) men, and I know a few men who buy it. They don't think of women as sex objects though.
taintedjim 4 years ago
Well done on the video and demo, it would be good to get more guys involved too, there are many intellectual ones out there that oppose the harm this does to women. By the way, it's also recognised to cause damage to men in many ways, including their relationships, some rely on it too much, become addicted, desensitized and sexually inadequate without their 'fix'. Anyway, keep up the good work!
marziparz 4 years ago
The only damage it has done to me is my wrists lol, but really I would have less of a problem if they campaigned about violent hardcore porn rather than women in bikinis as I say what is the difference between a model in a bikini in a mag and one walking down the street in summer?
britishjimbo 4 years ago
Studies?
solomonsrefuge dot com/PornStudies dot htm
That site has studies which show a negativecorrelation between crime and porn. It also shows declining sex crimes in countries with high porn consumption.
taintedjim 4 years ago
What? They become addicted to, and need a fix of, lads' mags? What the buggering heck are you on about, you insane fool?
AreYouPositive 4 years ago
For those genuinely wanting to understand what feminism is all about go to:
<counterpunch dot org> and search for <rothenberg>
She says what I wish I could in 500 characters!
Youstink66 4 years ago
I might add I searched counterpunch and nothing came up.
taintedjim 4 years ago
Then you are a dumb boy jimmy.
toymachine083 4 years ago
I like this debate - the ongoing critique of feminism has a real cyclical beauty to it: the overtones of aggression and undertones of insecurity. You guys ROCK!
Youstink66 4 years ago
Why is it impossible for feminists to counter points without accusations of misogyny, sexism, fear, insecurity or any other character flaws of the arguer? Is your argument really so weak it needs augmenting from ad-hom attacks?
Incidentally, you happen to be one of the more reasonable debaters. I'm disappointed you sunk to this.
taintedjim 4 years ago
taintedjim. they don't 'sink' to this. They were always there. When you ask valid q's like you have, you force them to answer, they cannot answer truthfully without showing their ignorance and sexism. It always happens with these fools.
esgimasd 4 years ago
But aren't the ladies in the clip being aggressive and yet insecure? Certainly, that insane tract about eyebrow-plucking crams more of both into one short spell of lunacy than any of the hateful misogyny (or 'disagreeing with you', as I prefer to call it) that I could hope to muster.
AreYouPositive 4 years ago
Youstink: The only tones of aggression and insecurity here are coming from your side. You are acting like insecure, aggressive dictators who want to dictate to us which videos we can and cant watch (i.e, as in what emfems said about lastwaltz), what magazines we can and cant buy/read, and what magazines as a store owner we can and cant sell.
If I wanted people like you in charge telling me what videos I can and cant watch, and what magazines I can and cant buy and sell, Id move to North Korea.
LukeSkywalker1986 4 years ago
Thank you.
I cannot believe this question has gotten the responses it has but wait a minute..no I'm not *sigh*
toymachine083 4 years ago
I like the way they said it was a great success- yeah 70 signatures in a busy high street is a real success ladies, love thsoe websites there is a lovely rational site called Dead Men Don't Rape and Porn Detective who runs a campaign of terror against legal businesses- these people are nothing more than terrorists like the extreme animal rights nutters.
britishjimbo 4 years ago
emfems: And what exactly do the legal video's that Lastwaltz chooses to watch have to do with "lad mags"? That's right nothing. It's easier to make a personal attack then actually debate the facts isn't it?
As for men having meaningful relationships with women , why bother. The deck is stacked in a womans favor. It's much better to fuck 'em and chuck 'em like the whores they are. Western women at least.
insdel2004 4 years ago
Thanks, it makes me laugh he actually went so far as to look at my profile to see who I subscribed too rather than debate my points, so I and many males like looking at women in lingerie etc so what? it is sexuality- like a 15 year old is going to be a rapist because he looks at FHM or Nuts? please, these crazy women are trying to stop natural sexuality, I don't like looking at the Bodybuilder & Gay mags in WH Smiths with near naked men on the cover
britishjimbo 4 years ago
but I am not going to try to ban them- how come these women don't talk about the exploitation of those men?
britishjimbo 4 years ago
They either ignore the question and continue repeating the same old 'exploitation, men bad women innocent yadda yadda' or just try ancient ad hominems. Boring skanks. Approach the girls who do this? Course not. There is a risk that they will be forced to hear the truth that's why. The girls would probably say 'i do it because the money is great and all i have to do is strip, or get fucked, which i love anyway. now fuck off you silly woman and get a life, or campaign about something that matters'
FMWatkins 4 years ago
Exactly, like Abi Titmuss gives a toss about being a sexual object- she loves it and she gets paid well to pose, sex sells, always has and always will, it is not the models faukt that people want to see their bodies unlike these Millie Tant's who are usually overweight and ugly like their great leader the late Dworkin.
britishjimbo 4 years ago
These women rule! I wish more women in the US were as organized as the UK women. Comrade O'Brien says "Destroy Your Porn Collection."
comradeobrien 4 years ago
I completely agree.
Lay waste to porn collections!
toymachine083 4 years ago
If we look at Lastwaltz's profile we can see he subscribes to a site with underage girls doing sexually explicit dancing in their pyjamas...mmm what deep,meaningful relationships he must have with women.
emfems 4 years ago
I cannot see any girls in my subscriptions who are under 16, deep meaningful relationships? who wants those? not me, I am not a Bible basher or one of these jumped up feminist killjoys, what is in these magazines is no worse than what kids can see on the beach or wealking down the street in summer- what next try to ban women wearing bikinis or going topless on the beach?
lastwaltz 4 years ago
taintedjim, you may want to go to makeupyourownstatistics dot com. Please make sure you do so in a rational way, prepared for adult debate, with no intellectual or moral nonsense. i'm so glad to see you and your fellow critics are wallowing in the foothills looking up at the moral high ground (oh, look out for irony, you seem to miss it every time)
emfems 4 years ago
*Yawn*
taintedjim 4 years ago
Whatever you say, Turing. I think it speaks volumes that you feel the need to assert your moral superiority.
Much like the "pro-life", all you're about is imposing your own morals on everyone else. If that's your "moral highground", take it. Be sure to pack a torch though, I hear it's dark underground.
taintedjim 4 years ago
God talk about a bunch of ugly, jumped up dykes- my god people might open up a magazine and see good looking women's bodies, it is not even hardcore just boobs, like that ugly one's comment I don't want to pose naked well nobody would want to see you naked anyway.
lastwaltz 4 years ago
You should also check out wendymcelroy dot com slash freeinqu dot htm for more sanity, reasoning and statistical evidence-backed opinion.
AreYouPositive 4 years ago
To all the women who may be reading this: If you want to discuss any of the issues that bother you in a rational manner, don't turn to the moral and intellectual cowards who posted this video. Try a site like IIDB (google it). High argumentative standards, huge crowds and generally excellent-quality debates.
Don't let the knuckle-draggers drag legitimate issues through the mud with their silly antics.
taintedjim 4 years ago 2
I would urge all of you to visit this very interesting blog entry relating to Charlie and her friends - incurable-hippie dot blogspot dot com/2007/04/bullies-defending-patriarchy dot html (sorry, you have to type it in). Note how the pro-porners are all, almost to the very last, polite and rational, whereas the anti-porners are abusive and entirely uninterested in statistical evidence that suggests there is no causal link between pornography and rape. Interesting, I think you'll all agree.
AreYouPositive 4 years ago
Intersting link and an interesting debate on there, however if I may make a slight correction to your statement. Many of the people who critisise "Charlie Grrl" and her ilk are not necessarily "pro-porn", they are however "anti-censorship".
DarkAngel182 4 years ago
No, but the people on THAT site are pro-porn. Which is what my statement said. So, no correction necessary. Ta.
AreYouPositive 4 years ago
DrFruad they will never target the women in the mags because they believe women can never do any wrong. Thats what feminazis believe and thats why they hate men and blame us for EVERYTHING.
Dirk7745 4 years ago
Women prostesting about women exposing themselves, but of course blaming men for objectifying them, "it's all men's fault". Why not get to the heart of the matter and hassle the women who are exposing themselves for these lad's mags? Dumb bitches.
DrFraud 4 years ago 2
Jxthree there is a violence against women act and that is destructive yet no act exists to protect men. You are a typical feminazi and you are a gutless coward who think that harrassing that poor man in the clip is brave but it isn't. You wouldnt last five minutes with seasoned mra's as they'd eat you for breakfast.
Dirk7745 4 years ago
Lukes right, she did say 'Yawn' because she knows she can't argue her case. Typical feminazi.
Dirk7745 4 years ago
Dirk- does it ever cross your little MRA brain that maybe us 'feminazis' are just bored with having to deal with pathetic men who have their head so far up their arse they seem to believe rape is committed or could be committed in equal numbers by women.
jxthree 4 years ago
I *yawned* because the points you make are predictable and boring and I'd rather not waste my time responding to such inanity.
HairyFeminist 4 years ago
"I *yawned* because the points you make are predictable and boring and I'd rather not waste my time responding to such inanity."
A typical entitlement princess response. After she's throughly discredited and made to look foolish she picks up her marbles and stomps off yelling: "I don't want to play with you any more!" Some how fooling herself into thinking that by conceding the argument she has won.
insdel2004 4 years ago
I honestly think the problem with these feminists is that they're just jealous of the girls who appear in these mags. Instead of moaning and whinging about the blokes who buy them, why not confront the girls who appear in them and see what they have to say on the subject? Just a pity the guy from Smiths wasn't used to dealing with rabid fanatics, I would dearly like to confront these types and see how they fare against me!
DarkAngel182 4 years ago
Darkangel- oh wow, you ingenuity is astounding. Have you been using the 'you're just jealous' argument since you were in primary school? That's usually where it starts, isn't it? it should be where it ends as well. Try bringing a mature argument to the table next time, otherwise you just embarrass yourself.
jxthree 4 years ago
Mature argument? That's a laugh coming from you! Have you ever seen a bunch of men protesting outside a Chippendales performance (or whoever) saying it re-enforces a negative images of men? No? Why is that? Are you going to start protesting outside beauty parlours next for re-enforcing the notion that women have to "pluck their eyebrows" and look a certain way in order to fit in? Thats about the strength of your argument!
DarkAngel182 4 years ago
Men don't need to protest because they are not completely overwhelmed by the images, messages and actions of our society that makes them out to be sexual objects. So no, I wouldn't be complaining if i were a man either.
jxthree 4 years ago
All, of course, your subjective opinion.
taintedjim 4 years ago
Well I've not seen any overwhelming messages telling women they HAVE to be a certain way, but I suppose if you look hard enough you'll find it. If you object to these publications thats fine, no ones forcing you to like them, simply don't buy them. But don't try and force your own personal moral viewpoints onto others. This is supposedly a free country after all.
DarkAngel182 4 years ago
what the hell is wrong with you people that are completely confused as to what female sexuality is? It is only because you are so conditioned to believe that female sexuality=pandering to male desire that you can view lads mags and think that the images have ANYTHING to do with female sexuality. Do men pose in this manner when expressing their sexuallity? Try recreating a few of those poses and you will see just how artificial they are.
jxthree 4 years ago
And what, do you presume to speak for all women, everywhere? Did you seem my post a bit back about the feminist defence of porn? Some women do that because they want to, not because they're pandering to male desire. Just because it doesn't conform to YOUR view of female sexuality, doesn't mean it holds true for everyone. As with abortion, choice is key.
taintedjim 4 years ago
I don't presume to speak for all women, but I'm guessing YOU ARE NOT A WOMAN, so you can't really speak AT ALL about female sexuality. I don't deny that some women choose to do porn, not surprising, since it pays so well, but what has that got to do with female sexuality?
jxthree 4 years ago
Because you and your cohorts whine about how porn you don't like is degrading or not reflective of female sexuality. Why don't you just admit it doesn't reflect YOUR view of female sexuality and stop pretending your speaking for every women? That's what it sounds like. I can quote you if you like.
taintedjim 4 years ago
porn does not reflect female sexuality, it's made FOR men! that should be the clue!
jxthree 4 years ago
HETERO porn is for men. What, does gay porn not exist anymore? Does gay porn reflect male sexuality?
taintedjim 4 years ago
well, it's gonna reflect it a hell of a lot more isn't it? It's made by men, using men, for men.
jxthree 4 years ago
It would, if men actually lended any credence to the bullshit notion of porn reflecting an entire gender's sexuality, but that's just us.
taintedjim 4 years ago
I might also add, there you go again with the "porn does not reflect female sexuality!".
Why don't you stop speaking for your gender and speak for yourself? Or is the false weight of speaking for a group too important for your point?
taintedjim 4 years ago
why don't you stop speaking up for a gender you are not a member of, and stop pretending like you could possibly not more about women than I do.
jxthree 4 years ago
So because you're a woman, you can pretend you speak for them all, but because I'm a man, I can't call you on it?
Looks like you're running out of ideas.
taintedjim 4 years ago
Has anyone else noticed that there's about three people defending this clip, and that three of those five were actually there...? I guess this means they now have 72 signatures, rather than 70...
AreYouPositive 4 years ago
Maxi you bloody retard that was an old joke picture by some other blogger last year. If you even read Fred X you would know he's actually young, not elderly.
Dirk7745 4 years ago
That is not a real picture of Fred X.
That is a joke picture.
LukeSkywalker1986 4 years ago
At the risk of appearing to dismiss what people say based on what they look like I invite you all to view this picture of FredX, the man responsible for linking to this video and encouraging other equally-minded to men to ridicule the female protesters based on - wait for it - their appearance:
stopmyabortion dot blogspot dot com /2006/10/top-ten-uses-for-my-aborted_15 dot html
MaximillianoZ 4 years ago
" secular humanism Wendy McElroy " Stick that into Google without the quotes and click the first result.
Here's a very good peice on a defence of porn by liberal feminism. If you're too close-minded to listen to the opinions of men, listen to the opinions of your allies.
taintedjim 4 years ago
Legit issues are violence against women act and rape laws. The law hates men and caters to women and feminazis are to blame.
Dirk7745 4 years ago
It's the classic feminazi M.O. - Make an issue out of something in order to exercise control other others, or to garner special treatment and benefits for women (with no merit of course) and if it doesn't work, resort to ad hominem attacks in the hope of derailing the discussion and clouding their boundless ignorance, infantilism, narcissism and histrionic personality disorder. I have never met a feminist would could logically and factually argue any points I raise. Damn marxists.
FMWatkins 4 years ago
By the way, I noticed emfem didn't take me up on answering the more civil posters. Like I said, it's easy to blindside a store clerk who has to think on his feet in public, where you can claim misogyny or sexism when you're challenged, but a tad more difficult when we can dissect your points at our leisure.
taintedjim 4 years ago
I'm with FMW and Tainted Jim all the way. You feminazis are hypocrits and you haven't addressed any issues I said.
Dirk7745 4 years ago
What I'm sensing here is that the sexist arseholes searching for their porn have got pissed off because they've come across a protest by a group of women who won't get their tits out for them.
Heaven forbid such women should walk the planet! Heaven forbid such women should exercise their right to use their minds and voices to stand up against their exploitation and discrimination!
Proof that in the minds of some men, women should just shut up and strip off for them.
HairyFeminist 4 years ago
<snicker> I fail to take you seriously. If you've ever come across a single man who wasn't bothered that you didn't get your tits out, your pathetic point is instantly demolished.
Is there a single argument you people rely on that doesn't include shaming language?
taintedjim 4 years ago
Yes, I have come across men who aren't bothered if I don't get my tits out for them, if you read my comment properly you would see that I said 'some' men, not all, deem women as nothing more than sex objects. So I think my point still stands.
HairyFeminist 4 years ago
Your not exactly telling the truth when you say you said "some men", you were specifically speaking about us, here, the ones arguing with you.
So no, your point doesn't stand unless you can prove all of us are pissed off by the concept some women won't get their tits out for us. Try another argument which doesn't depend on hubris.
taintedjim 4 years ago
I don't think you have to worry about men wanting to see you unclothed too much honey. Most men would pay to NOT be forced to see women with user names like: 'hairy Feminist' or 'manly dyke' unclothed. I SENSE an undercurrent of jealousy in your posts. Just because you're the ugly girl and men aren't sexually attracted to you doesn't mean that you have to take out your frustration on anyone who happens to be born male and doesn't buy into your oppressive radical ideology.
insdel2004 4 years ago
Ah, I knew my user name would prompt a response like this. So predictable. I'm not attractive to the likes of you? I couldn't give a shit. In actual fact, it's a blessing!
HairyFeminist 4 years ago
"Ah, I knew my user name would prompt a response like this. So predictable."
Predictable because it's true.
"I'm not attractive to the likes of you? I couldn't give a shit. In actual fact, it's a blessing!"
Now that's a case of sour grapes if I've ever heard one. No you're not only unattractive to me, you're unattractive to the majority of the male gender. And thats why you're so pissed off at men and the females that they desire.
insdel2004 4 years ago
*Yawn*
HairyFeminist 4 years ago
The reason why all you said was "*Yawn*" is because you know that what insdel is saying is true, and you can't refute it.
LukeSkywalker1986 4 years ago
insdel- stop talking shit, a woman's life does not and should not revolve around men finding her attractive.
jxthree 4 years ago
Thank God. Something we agree on.
Now start telling women that, instead of banning them from doing stuff they want to do and we'll be all set.
taintedjim 4 years ago
Also, you're moaning about people 'supporting sexism' (WTF) by not trying to stop porn? That's pathetic. If anything it's men in porn who are exploited. Women get paid more. And if you want to take that stance. How about not supporting slave labour and murder by not using anything 'made in China' or Big Pharma.
...Oh, didn't think so.
FMWatkins 4 years ago
FMWatkins, forget it. It seems they can harass the average joe getting his lad rag, or some hapless WHSmiths clerk, but when it comes to defending their position in an atmosphere where they can't blindside them, they aren't so good.
taintedjim 4 years ago
They are self indulgent infantile idiots. I'm talking about the 'protestors.' They refuse to engage in debate, instead believing they are morally superior to all opposing views by virtue of their own delusions of grandeur.
Really, trying to impose my personal feelings and force all others to change to match me sounds a bit like a dictatorship to me. It implies they are superior to everyone else. Which is the typical attitude of these pathetic feminists.
FMWatkins 4 years ago
unlike the mens rights movement hey? Looking at your comments and some of your friends you don't actually engage in debate. just abuse and nonsense and then keep banging on about 'feminists' (like all feminists believe in the same thing) not debating..
emfems 4 years ago
If you want to take the moral highground, hows about addressing some of the points brought up? Even ignoring the more hostile folks like me, there are folks here who made points without being aggressive.
taintedjim 4 years ago
It's not just that they believe they're morally superior. It's that they believe that anyone who expresses views which support the dominant hegemony are servants of "The Man."
istoute 4 years ago
Yes, the foolish feminist in red revealed her totalitarian agenda when she says (notice its to the hesitant looking, attractive girl) ''thats not what women should be doing''. She hates it that any women choose to partake in porn. No one here really believes that she doesnt know those women get paid, that many of them probabaly feel really good about looking beautiful. Too many women are making taking a choice she doesn't approve of and therefore that choice should be taken away.
DarkAstartes 4 years ago
I'm sick and tired of moralists trying to suppress male sexuality. Porn falls into the realm of male fantasy, which takes place in the mind. These harpies want to control the male imagination. Their pretext is that porn "sends a message" about how they should properly act and view themselves. This tells us that such feminists have tied their identity to women in fantasy magazines. They now project their self-identity onto the rest of society, expecting us all to adapt to their self-loathing.
dontmakehermad 4 years ago
The irony is they want to suppress female sexuality too. emfem and co. don't care whether or not the women involved in porn, or the women who consume porn themselves, will be affected. No, what's important is their own brand of morality and their own feelings.
taintedjim 4 years ago
This, of course, conforms to cultural Marxism perfectly. It's all about creating a "counter hegemony" with which to undermine the dominant forces in society. Feminists DO care about the views and beliefs of others. What's worse, they believe that it's their legitimate right to use force to change the views of others. Totalitarian pigs!
istoute 4 years ago
Angry Harry, Fred X and Eternal Bachelor (plus many other MRA's) condemn REAL issues. VAWA, rape shield law and the draft are just some areas that are in need of rectifying. I am an avid supporter of justice and feminazis are not fighting for justice. Instead of crying misogyny like Tainedjim pointed out why won't you address REAL issues.
Dirk7745 4 years ago
For those who are ignorant enough to believe a free market means equality and freedom, well, I just pity your lack of insight into the world you live in; 'free market' means the interests of the rich and powerful. Yes, take responsibility, demand an erotic life not dictated by corporate interests and a hegemonic notion of sexual and aesthetic standards.
emfems 4 years ago