Matt Dillahunty vs KabaneTheChristian on The Atheist Experience... NO CONTEST!!!

[MrBiblecontradiction]

I think what the host of this program is trying to say is that they don't have any rational evidence to support most of the claims made about the authors Bible. You can still ask people today who wrote the book of Genesis and they will provide you with the name of Moses, even though we don't know for sure, 100% without a doubt, that he was the author.

[POC777]

Matthew was written by a Jewish man to a Jew audience. Matthew was Jewish, therefore, it was written by Matthew.

[tml4873]

What the fuck is "special pledding"?

[Capuano231]

Religion starts wars? Man... This show starts wars more than ever

[xchampx]

Matthew is backed up with the other writers. Its called consistency. The gospels are all similar. some varients. but they are very consistent.

[eatcarbs]

@xchampx The Bible is anything but consistent.

[tml4873]

@xchampx Um... even if that was true, which it's certainly not, it doesn't mean anything. There are numerous Star Wars books written by numerous authors that support each other. Does that imply they're historical?

[4IDHero]

@Pred124

I can see why you people see Kabane getting pawned or butchered. Because you already have your mind made up about it. Can anybody address a single point Kabane made, besides throwing in with Matt, and declare victory without addressing a single point the caller made? Matt's responses are absurdedly arbitrary and ad hoc, and subjective, but then again when you are as ignorant as the atheists on youtube, you've already have your minds made up. Impartial juror?

[tml4873]

@4IDHero It's hard to make a cogent point against a claim that is completely fucking absurd at the outset, without either descending into absurdity yourself, or simply illustrating how it's absurd. If you can't recognise how absurd it is in the first place, then you're probably not worth talking to. His only "point" was that the authorship of Matthew is known. So fucking what? I know who wrote Lord of the Rings. Now refute my claim that dragons exist.

[4IDHero]

@tml4873 "It's hard to make a cogent point against a claim that is completely fucking absurd at the outset, without either descending into absurdity yourself, or simply illustrating how it's absurd." This is an appeal to ridicule fallacy, for you presuppose a claim to be false, then conclude that it is "absurd." It's a circular argument on your behalf. For you to claim it "absurd" you'd have to falsify the evidence given for the positive data for said claim. You are a fool.

[4IDHero]

@tml4873 "If you can't recognise how absurd it is in the first place, then you're probably not worth talking to."

Ahw, is someone special pleading here, you don't give any evidence to substantiated "why" the claims are absurd, you just assume it absurd, and then you conclude that it's absurd, then you try to talk some sense to everyone on Youtube by pointing out that it's absurd. You're the absurd one.

[4IDHero]

@tml4873 "His only "point" was that the authorship of Matthew is known. So fucking what? I know who wrote Lord of the Rings. Now refute my claim that dragons exist."

So if historians agree that Matthian authorship best establishes Matthew as the sole author of the Gospel of Matthew, then we can establish as a historical reliable biographical piece of ancient literature, same goes for any piece of ancient writing, you're merely special pleading here, again. Dragons? lol, pulled out of ur ass?

[4IDHero]

@tml4873 Cont., then if an ancient piece of literature is established as authentic, genuine, historical, and as well as authorship, it's the content of what the author is saying to his audience, which there are a multitude of evidence supporting the Gospels as eye-witnessed accounts of this man in 1st Century Palestine named Jesus, who was crucified, who was buried and rose back from the dead. You don't back up your claims with an asserting that it is "absurd" in the first place.

[BiffWhitebread13]

@tml4873 And actually, the caller does not establish the authorship of Matthew. His response is that Papias speaks of Matthew fifty years (or so) after the events it describes. This is patently false. What we have is the Church's master forger, Eusebius, claiming that Papias said that. None of Papias's works have survived. What we do know for a fact is that there is no record of anyone making specific reference to the written gospels until Ireneus does so around the year 180 CE.

[JohnWoo]

Matt pwned that Tommy dude.

[WntrSolstice2012]

There is intelligence & there is wisdom. I think KTC exhibits the former and not the latter!

[nylonhead116]

Holy shit, someone throw in the towel! Kabane got spanked!

[MrBrainmold]

Automatic loss for Kabane due to supernatural claims.

[Physcol]

I wanna strangle this caller.

[robtul12]

@Physcol I know. He is annoying as hell.

[napornik]

Whata dumbfuck!

"Even muslim scholars dismiss the Hadiths"

LOL!! Ya he knows nothing about Islam, yet he talks with such a confidence.! LOL

[Frater8]

this guy is so smart that he is stupid.  But he is for sure annoying.

[Stitchman3875]

I think Dillahunty needs to consider selling used cars. That is more his speed.

[Ma2the2WR]

3:50

If a staff/rod turning into a snake were/is to be accepted as a miracle, Then Tommy would have to accept another religions biblical miracle.

NKJV

Exodus 7:10 So Moses and Aaron went in to Pharaoh, and they did so, just as the LORD commanded. And Aaron cast down his rod before Pharaoh and before his servants, and it became a serpent.

Exodus 7:11 But Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers; so the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments.

[Ma2the2WR]

I may have not been clear on my statement. Aaron cast down is rod and it became a snake. Pharaoh's wise men and the sorcerers used thier enchantments in a like manner (similar) to turn their rods into snakes. In the next verse Exodus 7:12 Aaron's rod "snake" eats the wise men and sorcerers rods "snakes" This suggest both parties had a "miraculous" power at their use.

NKJV

Exodus 7: 12 For every man threw down his rod, and they became serpents. But Aarons rod swallowed up their rods.

[3rdeyewildopen]

Muslim Scholars don't say the Hadiths are not true and there are is miracles

[TheRetardedChristian]

i think tommy almost said fuck ehehe

[TheRetardedChristian]

KabaneTheComicBookGuyFromTheSi­mpsons:

lick my balls.

[isegoria1]

Tommy is an idiot

[kff]

Oh Christ. People like Tommy believe what they want to believe. Its sad.

[anwyll]

"Jesus was not a hypnotist"

How do we know that?!?!

[Ryansarcade9]

We don't. In fact, there are authors who believe that Jesus practiced things similar to shamans, so he could have been something along the lines of a hypnotist. Go to google books or google scholar and search for documents by JJ Pilch.

[counterstryke]

Matt Dillahunty you truly are an uneducated fool.

[KeithThompson2009]

Why do atheists start shouting when they lose debates? Do they think if they yell louder they will win?

[ShwaNerd]

When a theist is incapable of understanding a simple response, they have to raise their voice to keep the theist from rambling down a train of thought that gets nowhere, since its based on a wrong assumption in the first place. If they just let him talk, he'd be going for hours, and they would still be getting nowhere with him.

[KeithThompson2009]

That is whitewashing the fact that when atheists feel threatened and get smoked they either start shouting using an authoritative tone, or else they mock their opponent or their opponents beliefs.

You implied that if the host didn't raise his voice Kabane would have went nowhere for hours. However, based on other parts of the audio Kabane always stopped relatively quickly and let the host respond to his point. He did not ramble on and on as far as I could see. Re-examine the tape maybe.

[CBGB42]

He's certainly better than most of them, but he is still aggravating. Are you telling me that you wouldn't begin to get annoyed by someone practically refusing to understand what you're saying?

[divick630]

Matt Dillahunty is generally a very rude person as far as I can tell. Does that "imply" that all atheists are very confrontational and rude during debates?

No, because Dillahunty doesn't represent all atheists. He only represents his OWN opinion of things.

Now the thing is, Atheists are not the ONLY people who start shouting during debate. Infact, shouting during arguments is not limited to belief systems. example

/watch?v=wRv1dFeg-nQ

Also, the person in this case isn't listening to Matt

[axis4peace]

Have you even heard Keith debate with others online?

Have you ever heard me debate?

Are you not be sterotypical towards all theist?

Would you NOT feel offended if I said that all atheists had no or poor morals?

[Rhyze81]

I for one would not be offended by you saying "atheists had(have) no or poor morals" because broad sweeping generalisations have a habit of being untrue. plus all theist speak nothing but crap (all the time.... ALWAYS).

[4IDHero]

@ShwaNerd

NO, when an atheist is incapable of understanding they resort to the fallacy of "appeal to ridicule." They just make fun of what the theist's argument is trying to convey. What I see in these videos is Matt already has his mind made up, anything that opposes Matt he shouts over them and declare victory at the end of the discussion, even when he did not address a single point of the argument, besides come up with arbitrary rebuttals, such as "zombies."

[4IDHero]

@ShwaNerd

If anybody is aware of cultural history, ancient people were very well aware that dead people stays dead, zombies is a modern day concept, which the ancients had no concept of, they maybe perceived to be uneducated, but I'm sure they are very well aware that dead people stays dead. So the "zombie" argument that Matt is giving is nothing more than ad hoc.

[SketchBass]

@ShwaNerd

2 years late into the arguement, but oh well.

Kent Hovind.

need I say more?

[BZ987654]

lulz

[MyOverflow]

Kabane was such an ass in this. "You make a claim that I believe in contradictory stuff".

No, Matt just said you'd be more likely to believe in lies/contradictions if you just take random people's words rather than applying a level of scrutiny to it.

[UnionKid15]

Interesting, Kabane won though.

[BongHitsForJesus101]

how?

[OHsneakerluvr73]

By not contradicting himself and being reasonable.

[SalvationEternity777]

Kabane won.

i enjoyed 4:30

[AmerginMacEccit]

No, he didn't. It's not a boxing match and debates are not the best form of getting the truth out.

Of course there are miracles in Koran, the biggest of all being creation of the world by a supernatural being. That Kabane is some sort of an immature copy of Willow.

[OHsneakerluvr73]

I have begun reading the Koran (3 chapters complete so far) and have not come across anything of the sort.

[Ryansarcade9]

Try the Book of Mormon.

[SeenAndNotSeen]

Do not try the Book of Mormon, unless you can stand reading the phrase, "and so it came to pass" at the beginning of every single sentence.

[MrFacet]

DRF: "I felt sorry for Matt when he made claims and tries to provide examples "

The instances when Matt could not provide satisfying examples were a result of Matt denying broad claims by Tommy (=Kabane).

Tommy: "all alien abductees are hypnotized" and "the miracle claims in all other religions are all very different than the christian miracle claims".

Unfortunately Matt fell for the demand of Tommy to disprove his (T's) claims by example.

[antisubaru]

Flawless victory.

[TehBestZors]

Actually i think Matt got beat in this. I am an atheist. But Matt rejects miracle claims a priori and demands an unattainable amount of evidence for miracles.

And when they debate the senses Matt mention that he can compare his sense data with Don to reach a conclusion that his sense data is reliable. This fails because he has to use his sense to evaluate Don's sense data meaning if his data is faulty information recieved from Don will also be faulty.

[boobmcnutt]

TehBestZors, what are you even talking about man? If you don't reject ALL miracle claims a priori you'll find yourself believing contradictory, stupid, and most importantly, untrue things on a regular basis. If you care at all whether your beliefs are true, you simply have to disbelieve everything that isn't consistent with your experiences and critical thinking. Matt hasn't seen zombies walk around, so he doesn't believe they did.

...and that douche lied, there are miracles in the Koran.

[kff]

Arf.

[DblOSmith]

Thanks, shwa. I love Matt.

[Krensharpaw]

Not really.

He is saying he does not so he can't do something, thus why you can't see the failure in this.

Of course you would defend your friend in this, you have a VERY big christian bias.

[ShwaNerd]

"I know you are, but what am I"

Good. This is the exact level of response I expected.

[ShwaNerd]

The depth of your willful ignorance is astonishing.

[HailCthulhu]

Kabane's a jittery little bugger, isn't he?

[ShwaNerd]

Oh, watch the next parts, he gets worse trying to cover his ass. Unfortunately, he strays pretty far from proving his point on the authorship of matthew... oh yeah and MIRACLES written in a book should be taken literally... lol

[LogicalSanity]

wow, kabane doesn't listen well, does he?

[deepelmdesciple]

Matt got pwned?? Haha. No. Kabane got up the nerve to take on someone serious, and he got shit on. He can focus on who wrote what and all the bullshit details all he wants, it doesnt change anything.

[aaronk1994]

You call his attitude being calm?

[ShwaNerd]

Yes, unfortunately he had to at points raise his voice in order to halt Kabane's stupidity before he could lead him down a trail of irrationality to nowhere. When you are as fractally wrong as you two, we gotta nip it in the bud before you can get us as off-track as you are.

[migkillertwo]

shwanerd, if you listen very carefully, it was matt who led kabane down the rabbit trail of epistemology. Kabane called with the very clear, specific intent to discuss the authorship of the Gospel of Matthew. Matt however wished to bring in a wide range of irrelevant topics (miracles), and in so doing veered the conversation away from what it was supposed to be.

[aaronk1994]

Oh brother. Matt got pwned.

[brandonbdx]

Explain.

[saken]

I think you mean Kabane.

[aaronk1994]

Nope. All Matt knows is nonsensical humean arguments against miracles, and only appealed to typical skate board atheist analogies.

[ShwaNerd]

lmfao you are a riot

[Krensharpaw]

Wrong again aaron, amn you can't get shit right.

[ShwaNerd]

Its really good comedic irony though, how he considers human argumentation "nonsensical" and miracles to be a totally sensible thing to believe in XD

I think he just wears a blind fold and picks three phrases from a hat: FAIL, skateboard atheist, or just another soundbyte

[Krensharpaw]

I'm going to remeber that...lol...ty for the laugh.

Right on, and I did not even see it, ty for seeing it.

[Krensharpaw]

aaronk1994, all you do is write fail and claim it refutes what is said in the video.

Yet again, you use this, "Insult" and think it opwns them. ONE, if you follow the teachings of christ, then you prove yourself a hypocrite. TWO, stfu.

[saken]

All Matt needed to say(and he did) is "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence". When one claims that zombies rose from the dead, the book of "Mathew" is only substantial evidence to support such a claim to those who desire for it to be true and have already become part of a belief system that demands that they do. Other than that Matt just straightened out some of Kabane's immaturity.

[Krensharpaw]

O brother, your group contiues to get pwned without knowing it's getting pwned.

[FranzDuckVideos]

I call it rape.