This differs slightly from Sheridan's account to Ivanova in SE 2 Episode 1. According to Sheridan there were three ships (BlackStar included) that he blew up. But then again though he wasn't supposed to have met Franklin or G Kar in this film before season two.
@explorer47422 "Launching them everywhere..." and therein lies the problem. Due to their jamming technology, we couldn't lock on to anything of theirs. So how would the nukes ever arrive to their targets? Remember, these nukes were mined & hidden in an asteroid field.
I doubt that the writers realized this, but it would have been nearly impossible. With the very large distances in space most of them wouldn't come in range of anything but would keep going. In space if something is moving it doesn't stop until it hits something, and it could be (though rather unlikely) an inhabited planet. See the Mass Effect video with 'Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest son of a bitch in space' for details. Also nukes are expensive and usually impractical.
So, why didn't the Earth Forces adopt this tactic for all combat situtations? Put nukes in asteroids or satellites everywhere you can hide them, then have some ships pull baiting duty to lure in as many Minbari ships as possible. Hell, rig up some automated Novas with super nukes and have them fly right in the middle of Minbari fleets and detonate them. So many things you can do here. EF leadership must be terminally stupid or something.
In space the shockwave and expansion rate is unencumbered by a dense atmosphere. The shockwave accelerates faster and goes much further. The expansion is at it's maximum in a fraction of a second. You don't want to be in the vicinity of a nuke going off in a vacuum.
@erdemhasan Simple they just didn`t have the firepower to take out all those asteroids babylon 5 tried to be at least in touch with current physics thinking..the amount of energy required to vape a nickle/iron/rock asteroid is significant.
I love it how everybody cheers at the end. Sure, its great when they get a victory over the enemy because they've got an intelligent commander but it's even funnier to note that they're still all going to be royally fucked by the Minbari Fleet. Hoorah! One enemy ship destroyed by potluck! Oh shit, there's they're fleet!
@svartekaptenen. firing them at what, the whole problem for the Erath SWarships during the war was the superior armor, manuoverability, fire power, & counter measurements of the Minbari. It was sending wooden sailng warships from Grand Armada/British, French flleets at Trafagar l against the combined British/German fleets at Jutland.
Because JMS, the writer, was unable to get the bigwigs to let him bring his post-B5 vision to fruition without undue interference. The franchise is done and over with for good unless something drastic changes.
@Quincy111 well no-one likes to admit that they got their butts kicked by a people they think is inferior nor do they like being remainded that they underesteemated said people
I like how the Minbari whine about the destruction of the Black Star, and call Sheridan "star killer" like he's some sort of bad guy. They fired on defenseless ships in distress, and were engaging in genocide, yet when Sheridan kicks ther ass with some cunning he's a bad guy. Now that's what I call sour grapes.
I woulda said something like "fuck off bone head, yeah sure we shot at you first faggot but we only did so because you were so fucking stupid to approach an unknown race with your god damn gunports open. So fuck you and the blackstar and i hope they burn in hell."
The way you describe the Minbari is not exactly the correct one. They didnt' start the war, they didn't attack first and they certainly didn't kill Earth's leader. Furthermore, Ambassador Mollari explained to Earth's arrogant government than Minbari are one of the oldest spaced races but still, despite warnings,they sent ships to Minbari space.
If it wasn't for commander Sinclair, there would't be any human left.
So, to conclude, the Minbari are not actually bad guys
Minbari ignorance was also part of the fault for the war. They engaged in a tradition of approaching with gunports open which the Humans could not possibly had known. And proceeded to go about exterminating a whole race because of the death of one of their own.
On the contrary, The EA did not hunt the Dilgar to extinction despite that they had actively exterminated other races, enslaving and experimenting on the survivors.
Hard not to view Minbari as bad guys under such a context.
Ok, i see the point but you miss something. It was humans problem if they didn't know Minbari tradition about approaching with gunports open. Before making first contact they should learn more about Minbari. And they didn't kill just one Minbari, but they killed the leader of Grey Council and spiritual leader of Minbari and Minbari engaged a wholly war.
Humans sent THE WRONG captain for making first contact. They were so sure about their strength that they even compaired Minbari with Dilgar.
How were they supposed to know anything? The Minbari used to be an isolationist state back then. Every other race bar the Vorlon's knew almost nothing about them other than being very advanced.
But the Dilgar was also more advanced than the EA.. and the latter beat them back to their home system, a feat which the non-aligned worlds and the Narn were incapable of.
Exactly, humans were so sure and arrogant after their victory against more advanced Dilgar, that one of their options in first contact with Minbari was a fight. That's why they sent 3 war ships.They had no way to know about Minbari traditions, but they were warned by Centauri to sent one ship only. My point is that humans should try to contact Minbari through Centauri , so they could avoid misunderstnding. But humans refused any assistance and warnings. Who's fault is this?
Technically the group which composed the three ships were only a recon fleet to search for the Minbari, the real first contact would not happen till later. They were just to find these mysterious aliens and then return to report the sightings. The ignorance and misunderstanding in the first encounter of both sides was equally both races fault.
And they could not had used the Centauri to make contact, their diplomacy with the Minbari was very poor and difficult.
Poor and difficult diplomacy is still better than nothing. If Centauri tried to contact Minbari and explain to them about humans, Minbari would know that a younger race wants to make first contact. They would expect that some day humans will arrive and things could go better.
Here's the question tho. Given that the Earthers were basically high on their victory from the Dilgar War, do you think it would've mattered if they knew about the Minbari tradition of appraoching with gun ports open?
no, The Earth Alliance simply blockaded the Dilgar in their home system until their sun went nova, the reason for the dilgar expansion in the first place.
@MrChronified You believe that was all that the EA did? They met the Dilgar in numerous battles before that, and decisively defeated them. Turning the tide of the war that both the nonaligned worlds and the Narn were steadily losing. It was in big part the EA that pushed the Dilgar back to their home system.
Then they made the mistake to switch over to energy weapons by the time of the Earth-Minbari war. Big mistake.
@SCARREDMIND I know, That's what the range is for. An energy weapon have range problems because of energy diffusion. A projectile weapon don't. It would have given the EA much more elbow-space and time while aiming manually.
@Cordar pure energy weapons yes, the weapons in b5 are generally accepted as being fusion beams & other types of super accelerated mass and or charged particle weapons.
the minbari had a stealth system that gave false readings to observers when enguaged, making it seem like their ships where elsewhere.
ea spent most of their time shooting sensor ghosts, that a bigger part of why they where so out matched then their guns.
@Cordar No. Their big mistake was suffering from victory fever after they'd defeated the Dilgar. Then assuming that a race with at least a thousand-year lead on them techwise would simply roll over and play dead for the almighty Earthers. It was only the fact that Jeffrey Sinclair was Valen that saved the Earthers from becoming a memory.
@williamskidfears The Dilgar also had a significant several-centuries long lead on them technologically. And the EA did not approach the Minbari to start a fight, and they did try to apologize for what happened. But in large part the failure to attain peaceful first contact was due to the fact that the warrior caste were stupid enough to think any aliens would know the isolated Minbari culture even remotely enough to see the opening of gun ports as anything but an act of aggression.
@williamskidfears But regarding poorly thought-through peaceful first contact protocol/traditions in a non-parody setting, the Minbari pretty much takes the cake. It's like Dukhat was the only Minbari at the time who's wisdom included common sense.
@Cordar More precisely, the Minbarri warrior caste, as they were the ones who committed the blunder in the first place...then again, the warrior caste were probably not exactly big on first contacts that didn't involve using a fighting pike anyway. :-D
@Cordar Persoanlly I think both sides shared fault, and it was more to do with a lack on understanding of one another.
The Minbari were at fault, because they had become overconfident and were ignorant of things outside their own territory.
The EA was at fault because like the Minbari they had become overconfident, given their victory over the Dilgar and didn't listen to the Londo's warning about the Minbari and sent in the wrong person to led the expedition who panicked under pressure
I think it's because 1) he tricked them instead of taking them in a straight-on fight and 2) The warrior caste was just pissed cos they got held back by the Grey Council at the last second.
@imsiriustube well no-one likes to admit that they got their butts kicked by a people they think is inferior nor do they like being remainded that they underesteemated said people
@imsiriustube They considered his act to be dishonourable because he tricked them. But as you pointed out, the Minbari were assholes anyway. They started an entire war to exterminate an intelligent species based on a simple misunderstanding.
@imsiriustube Its only the warrior caste that calls him that destroying a Sharlin Ace cruiser like that with asteroids seeded with tac nukes was a gross affront to the honour of the Minbari Warriors...
@imsiriustube Yeah, that kinda ticked me off as well...though I think I remeber a Minbari saying something to the effect that it was the cunning that was the problem - that Sheridan didn't win in open battle, but because of deception.
@JesusFreakDK Well hey, if you can't win in direct combat, use deception and cunning if it helps you win and protects your people from being wiped out. The Minbari didn't really expect humanity to just lay down and die quietly and abide by their strict interpretation of combat, did they?
out of curiousity. How many Hyperion ships would be needed to defeat an average Minbari war cruiser. On top of that how many Omega cruiser would be needed to defeat one. Just curious what yall think.
Considering the Omega-class ships are far slower and need to rotate their middle sections to produce artificial gravity, I'd put the number at around 20, at least, and even then, no more than 4 or 5 would survive considering Minbari are far superior technologically in both weapons and stealth. That's not even including speed, agility, the minerals they use for their ships' hulls or what the range of their weapons systems actually are.
Whoa there. The Minbari are more advanced than Earth, but not THAT much more advanced. Their ships aren't actually super durable. They took serious damage from a short barrage in the first contact incident, after all that's how Dukat was killed. And obviously even their flagship can be destroyed a couple 2-megaton nuke. It's just that's so damn hard to hit them hard before they kill you, because of the stealth.
Minbari cruiser's main advantage ain't armor, but weapon systems. Their beam weapons could cut Earth ships in half so easily..like there were no armor at all. Actually advanced Omega-destroyers already had stronger armor than Minbari cruisers.
..but their weapons sucked compared to Minbari counterparts.
@kimnice If you mean the Omegas with shadow tech, their weapons were pretty badass from what I saw. They just suffered from the stormtrooper effect. If they were good guys, they'd have taken the Whitestar fleet to school.
@xylaphonemaster not nessarly White stars are made out of tech from Minbari and party vorlon, plus they were alot faster and more manverable than the Omegas were. Whites stars have proven to hold their own for a while against a true shadow ship and a vorlon ship as well. Alos the crews of those ships were all verterans from the last Shadow war and verteran crews on a ship count for alot when in battle.
@kimnice Actually, it was more the range of the beam weapon since EA ships relied on pulse cannons which can be devastating but on a much shorter range and at a comparatively low rate of fire. The second advantage was that Minbari cruisers were equipped with stealth technology, so that EA weapon systems had a lot of trouble locking on to the target.
Sharlin class Minbari cruiser has mass of 44.4 millions metric tons, and is 1600m long with 18 gravitic neutron cannons, 18 gravitic fusion beam cannons 24EM neutron guns 42 erlectro pulse guns 10m re-enforced poly-crystalline armor stealth device Gravitic defence shield grid Hyperion is 1025m long and has a mass of 8.4mil. met.tons. It has 6-8m armored hull, defence grid energy projectors, 2 lazers and 1 heavy plasma canon. With technology about 1000 years ahead, the conclusion is yours.
At this point, nuke would be virtually useless against federation ship, because the shield will absorb all of the blast yield.
Photon torpedo is more powerfull then nuke because they are matter and antimatter explosion, while nuke spread out too far. Another thins, I haven't seen any BB5 ships have shield.
Vorlons also have shields of sorts even individual vorlons can make a psychokinetic force field that can block blaster fire.
The Shadows can phase in and out of hyperspace which gives them something almost as good as a force field in battle and for guerrilla ambush tactics maybe even better.
The Minbari and later Earth ships have a refracting hull that tries to reflect energy from a beam weapon.
BTW the yield on a standard photon torpedo is 64.4 MT
Keep in mind that photon torpedos are the product of star trek and Babylon 5 never once uses anything remotely like them. It uses technology that we know of today, can design, even build today, which also gives it a greater air of realism.
Begt to differ, since we do not even have the technology today to control individual photons, let alone put them to use in missle systems, but perhaps 100 years down the track, aye. Let's see if N. Korea starts the war everyone is thinking first
We are closer to harnessing antimatter than people think. Depends on how quick defence grids are, do not forget that photon torpedoes are warp capable.
This isn't the simplistic star trek universe where humans are a major power who travel around moralizing over 'stupid' aliens with light makeup and interfering with their culture to impose American-values. The B5 universe is gritty and far more realistic. Humans are NOT a major power and are backward technically. The EA is corrupt and racist. It's no federation! The humans arrogantly strayed into Minbari space and paid the price. No negotiations. No rules of war.
Your argument is simplistic and false. I think you need to read your Earth Alliance history again. The war started as a simple misunderstanding during an accidental first contact that turned into a holy crusade for genocide by the Minbari.
That, and Earth is a major power. We just aren't the most powerful. If you don't count the Vorlons, we're something like number 3, behind the Minbari and Centauri.
Officially it goes (order of the counsel on B5) Vorlons, Minbari, Centauri, Human, Narn, yet in regards to age, it's Vorlon, Minbari, Centauri, Narn, Human
You forget that the prime directive forbids interference in other cultures and 1st contact with pre-warp cultures. Star Trek is far darker than you think.
And yet star trek RARELY gave these themes much credence. The only real showing was the episode where Picard was captured and tortured by the Cardassians. Babylon 5 had it in almost every episode.
Wrong, if you watch Star Trek intently, you will see that Star trek studies humanity very intently. It is written to make people think, ST is very subtle. B5 is too harsh ad is likely to put people of considering important issues.
But this is a long way into the future. Who knows how powerful nuclear weapons are at this point in time? Also, I never saw a photon torpedo as powerful as an atomic bomb in the Star Trek universe. Correct me if I'm wrong.
dirty tactic :/ i say they just secured a "landing zone/Pickup area" :) And yeah earth had a rough time not being able to target through their intemnce sencors and signal canceling tech in essence was a jamming byproduct. Bringing light to the stars as a path to the balance of the future was a good message. wish i had entire series.
The Minbari were the beneficiaries of having been allies of the Vorlons against the Shadows ten thousand years prior to the Earth-Minbari War. Some of the technology the Vorlons shared with them was organically-based. I remember the organically-based nature of the Minbari ships as one reason Earth Alliance weapons were very ineffective in damaging them. The hulls were able to repair themselves fast.
John Sheridan was THE MAN!! If EarthForce was thinking, they'd have promoted him to General and let him direct war efforts. I'm FIRMLY convinced, if General John Sheridan took over the war, Humanity would have kicked Minbari ass all the way back to Minbar.
Still, the Minbari might have suffered heavier losses if Sheridan had been made general.
The way I see it, the Minbari have no right to whine about Sheridan's tactics. The Blackstar was going to destroy the Lexington so Sheridan had the right to defend his ship in any way possible.
but still, they were at war, so he HAD to defend himself. Sheridan should have been promoted to war general, but EarthForce was probably thinking, "well, it's just one ship". I kinda agree, but shooting down a Minbari cruiser, not to mention a Flagship, was one hell of an achievement.
No need to say thank you, though it is nice of you to do so. I'd like to say you're welcome but that would be pretentious of me, and I am simply not that way. BUT!! I will say this- "You ROCK for enjoying Babylon 5." :-D
Yeah well personally, I think I might have waited several hours at least before trying to contact anyone but then again there wouldn't be a show if that happened
the 2 megaton tac nukes is a bit silly.. a 2 megaton payload is really pretty small I doubt they would have completely destroyed a minbari ship unless the nukes were physically placed right on the hull of the ship. Now a 40+ megaton nuke... hmm well mayb then ok.
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I never cared for this show, there were just too many goofy scenes. Distress signal to Earth? All signals travel at the speed of light so there can be no instantaneous communications with anybody. The captain is such a wimp! You are the captain fool, you don't ask for confirmation from your crew, you make decisions and give orders.
It may be weird to bring Star Trek into a Babylon 5 video, but in this video the Black Star was destroyed by two Earthforce nukes. I've seen some space battle videos where Minbari cruisers blow up Federation ships continuosly without being destroyed. But I think a few photon torpedoes have at least as much punch as Babylon 5-era nukes, so wouldn't Minbari cruisers be easily detsroyed by Star Trek photon torpedoes?
That's a good point because Fed photon torpedoes are a matter antimatter reaction which is theoretically a lot more powerful compared to a nuclear explosion .
You still need to aim a photon torpedo, so you would need sensors that can penetrate the Minbari cloacing devises, and even if you manage that, photon torpedos are way slower than particle weapons, it would be an easy match for the defense grid of a Minbari warcruiser.
@PhasersLocked the main problem with that is that locking on to a minbari ship is a real problem. and minbari ships are really fast they could most likely dodge the photon torpedos. if the federation starship finds away to lock on to the minbari cruiser maybe it has a chance if not it is all over for the federation ship.
However, I highly doubt a 1600 metre Sharlin warcruiser could outmaneuver even the largest Federation ship (the Enterprise-E is less than 700 metres in length).
@PhasersLocked in any case locking on to a minbari sharlin class warcruiser is a major problem. if the federation ship can't lock on to the warcruser that federaton ship can be in a world of hurt real quick.
Hard to make a comparison with two completely different universes. The Star Trek universe clearly had humans with far more advanced technology than the humans of Babylon 5.
The Sovereign class was also designed to be more maneuverable than a contemporary ship 1/4th its size.
ST ships can wreck planetary levels of destruction and their shields can defend against it for plot varying amounts of time. I think TNG onwards series could take out a Sharlin.
@Nogrentain i know that comparing the two universes is hard. the thing is that Minbari have were traveling in space for much longer than humans of eather series. and they also had the vorlons enhance there technology. i might be a fair fight if the a sovereigh class ship if it's crew finds away to lock on to the Sharlin class warcruiser. other wise it would be a one sided fight. not to mention the minbari war crusier has a form of shielding as well..
Assuming of course that it would be difficult to get a lock. The ST universe repeatedly the only effective stealth technology is the cloaking device, which the Minbari have nothing closely resembling. I still see the Minbari being utterly annihilated if caught under a full barrage.
Humans also advanced at a much faster rate in the ST universe. You go from Enterprise where humans are below average, to TNG where the Federation is top in the known galaxy outside of the Borg.
@Nogrentain fair enough. The federation might have a chance against the minbar. however the federation would have no chance against the vorlons.besides Babylon 5 is more realistic. used real space physics and when we do become a space fairing race we will not be the most advanced out there,
I think you're forgetting about Starfleet's most powerful weapon authorised to be used only in the most dire circumstances due to its awesome power: the deflector dish!
To be fair, it took humanity 300 years to come out on top in ST, the first 90 of which was under Vulcan tutelage, and limited technological assistance.
Here...150-160 years after first contact, the warlock and victory put humanity on top.
@Nogrentain i have not forgotten the deflector dish. the problem with the dish is that it is a one shot weapon. afterwards the deflector dish is burnt out and would need of extensive repairs. it is nice last resort weapon. but the federation starship would defenceless while power is built back up and repairs made. the problem is that even with the deflector dish i doubt that federation starship could hurt let alone destroy a vorlon ship. nice weapon too bad it is only a one shot deal.
Ahh John "Nuke 'Em" Sheridan.
umjackd 2 days ago
Oh lets see nuclearmissiles with proxmimity fuses!
svartekaptenen 3 months ago
STARKILLER!
a1wood 5 months ago
This is the way we as humans are. If I must die I'm taking you with me!
firepatriot42 5 months ago
Served those boneheads right for their genocidal fantasies!
lurconis666 6 months ago
This differs slightly from Sheridan's account to Ivanova in SE 2 Episode 1. According to Sheridan there were three ships (BlackStar included) that he blew up. But then again though he wasn't supposed to have met Franklin or G Kar in this film before season two.
georgeowain 8 months ago
So if one tactical nuke could take out a Mimbaru cruiser, why weren't they just launching them everywhere?
explorer47422 8 months ago 4
@explorer47422
Becasue it would cause the same if not more damage to their own ships!
FlamingBadger84 3 months ago
@explorer47422 "Launching them everywhere..." and therein lies the problem. Due to their jamming technology, we couldn't lock on to anything of theirs. So how would the nukes ever arrive to their targets? Remember, these nukes were mined & hidden in an asteroid field.
TechnoMageB5 3 months ago
@explorer47422 They'd probably get intercepted by the Minbari's beam weapons in a straight-up fight.
ancalites 2 months ago
@explorer47422
I doubt that the writers realized this, but it would have been nearly impossible. With the very large distances in space most of them wouldn't come in range of anything but would keep going. In space if something is moving it doesn't stop until it hits something, and it could be (though rather unlikely) an inhabited planet. See the Mass Effect video with 'Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest son of a bitch in space' for details. Also nukes are expensive and usually impractical.
prudence00 1 week ago
av it yer smug space elf bastards!
angrydead 8 months ago
They complained about us being cowards, no, we were simply doing best what we love doing for a long time, blow shit up!
DrScrapeman 8 months ago
So, why didn't the Earth Forces adopt this tactic for all combat situtations? Put nukes in asteroids or satellites everywhere you can hide them, then have some ships pull baiting duty to lure in as many Minbari ships as possible. Hell, rig up some automated Novas with super nukes and have them fly right in the middle of Minbari fleets and detonate them. So many things you can do here. EF leadership must be terminally stupid or something.
Nowhereman10 9 months ago
@Nowhereman10 Consider how much the Minbari would have whined then.
MrCanadianComedian 9 months ago
well they didn'y use nukes
Lightingwarrior 9 months ago
Oh they going to have to glue you back together, IN HELL!
Tarik360 10 months ago
I thought the Black Star was 3 times as big as a normal Minbari Cruiser ... somehow it doesnt look bigger to me ...
SecurityEscort 11 months ago
Way to fuck up those Mimbari, Tron!
mdnickens01 1 year ago 2
2 Megatonnes as a tactical nuke, they don't mess about in the future
persilbran 1 year ago
Nukes do no good in outer space! Sorry.
captainbillshatner 1 year ago
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RCTPatriot75 1 year ago
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RCTPatriot75 1 year ago
@captainbillshatner
In space the shockwave and expansion rate is unencumbered by a dense atmosphere. The shockwave accelerates faster and goes much further. The expansion is at it's maximum in a fraction of a second. You don't want to be in the vicinity of a nuke going off in a vacuum.
RCTPatriot75 1 year ago
@RCTPatriot75 What material makes up the shockwave?
captainbillshatner 1 year ago
@captainbillshatner First goes the radiation flash from explosion (3:44), then nickel-iron plasma shockwave from vaporized asteroid (3:46).
lvkeyne 11 months ago
@lvkeyne That doesn't make any sense. There is nothing in vacuum that would cause a flash or a shockwave.
captainbillshatner 11 months ago
@captainbillshatner you may reread my previous statement.
lvkeyne 10 months ago
@captainbillshatner A flash?? The energy released from the nuke. The shockwave is the same thing.
MrCanadianComedian 9 months ago
@MrCanadianComedian You watch too much scifi. history.nasa.gov/conghand/nuclear.htm
captainbillshatner 9 months ago
@captainbillshatner So there is just a fissle?
MrCanadianComedian 8 months ago
@MrCanadianComedian I don't know. So much for blowing asteroids away that are going to hit the earth.
captainbillshatner 8 months ago
I'm partially confused why the Minbari didn't just fire through the asteroids like the Death Star should have done in Episode 4.
erdemhasan 1 year ago
@erdemhasan Simple they just didn`t have the firepower to take out all those asteroids babylon 5 tried to be at least in touch with current physics thinking..the amount of energy required to vape a nickle/iron/rock asteroid is significant.
arkerry 1 year ago
@erdemhasan the amount of energy needed would be immense.
MrCanadianComedian 1 year ago
I love it how everybody cheers at the end. Sure, its great when they get a victory over the enemy because they've got an intelligent commander but it's even funnier to note that they're still all going to be royally fucked by the Minbari Fleet. Hoorah! One enemy ship destroyed by potluck! Oh shit, there's they're fleet!
johnmcn90 1 year ago
@johnmcn90 Well, that was the ONLY victory an Eath vessel scored over a Minbari ship in the entire war, so it served as a morale booster.
dudewhosaysarrh 1 year ago
Grapes make whine
gtbfret 1 year ago
SEE U IN HELL!!!!!!! epic stuff man ty 4 postin
carnorjax007 1 year ago
Question why do the not have nuclear missiles with proximity
fuses?
svartekaptenen 1 year ago
@svartekaptenen Because if you see a missile going to your ship, you'll shoot it down. Asteroid with nuke in an asteroid field on the other hand....
DLanger88 1 year ago
@DLanger88 Quite but you do not send one or two, you have to
overload the firingcontrol so you send dozens or hundreds
of missiles.
svartekaptenen 1 year ago
@svartekaptenen
not the best thing to do, putting proximity fuses, if they had any on their damaged ship left, on nukes in an asteroid field.
shathriel 1 year ago
@svartekaptenen. firing them at what, the whole problem for the Erath SWarships during the war was the superior armor, manuoverability, fire power, & counter measurements of the Minbari. It was sending wooden sailng warships from Grand Armada/British, French flleets at Trafagar l against the combined British/German fleets at Jutland.
Wolfen443 1 year ago
why they dont made movie of dilgar war ?
vvpassat 1 year ago
Because JMS, the writer, was unable to get the bigwigs to let him bring his post-B5 vision to fruition without undue interference. The franchise is done and over with for good unless something drastic changes.
TsugaC 1 year ago
1:31 And he ended up living forever anyway.
marky2112 2 years ago
great scene i am speechless..wow
sevenender 2 years ago
lol yeah the whole minbari beef with Sheridan was basically they got their ass handed to them and didnt like it.
Quincy111 2 years ago 37
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@Quincy111 well no-one likes to admit that they got their butts kicked by a people they think is inferior nor do they like being remainded that they underesteemated said people
Lightingwarrior 1 year ago
I like how the Minbari whine about the destruction of the Black Star, and call Sheridan "star killer" like he's some sort of bad guy. They fired on defenseless ships in distress, and were engaging in genocide, yet when Sheridan kicks ther ass with some cunning he's a bad guy. Now that's what I call sour grapes.
imsiriustube 2 years ago 73
LOL, I dont why the Minbari whine when that was one of few ships they lost compared to the EA who lost almost everything.
23Revan84 2 years ago
I woulda said something like "fuck off bone head, yeah sure we shot at you first faggot but we only did so because you were so fucking stupid to approach an unknown race with your god damn gunports open. So fuck you and the blackstar and i hope they burn in hell."
AmericanPoliceState 2 years ago
The way you describe the Minbari is not exactly the correct one. They didnt' start the war, they didn't attack first and they certainly didn't kill Earth's leader. Furthermore, Ambassador Mollari explained to Earth's arrogant government than Minbari are one of the oldest spaced races but still, despite warnings,they sent ships to Minbari space.
If it wasn't for commander Sinclair, there would't be any human left.
So, to conclude, the Minbari are not actually bad guys
ngiaxop06 2 years ago 3
Minbari ignorance was also part of the fault for the war. They engaged in a tradition of approaching with gunports open which the Humans could not possibly had known. And proceeded to go about exterminating a whole race because of the death of one of their own.
On the contrary, The EA did not hunt the Dilgar to extinction despite that they had actively exterminated other races, enslaving and experimenting on the survivors.
Hard not to view Minbari as bad guys under such a context.
Cordar 2 years ago
Ok, i see the point but you miss something. It was humans problem if they didn't know Minbari tradition about approaching with gunports open. Before making first contact they should learn more about Minbari. And they didn't kill just one Minbari, but they killed the leader of Grey Council and spiritual leader of Minbari and Minbari engaged a wholly war.
Humans sent THE WRONG captain for making first contact. They were so sure about their strength that they even compaired Minbari with Dilgar.
ngiaxop06 2 years ago
How were they supposed to know anything? The Minbari used to be an isolationist state back then. Every other race bar the Vorlon's knew almost nothing about them other than being very advanced.
But the Dilgar was also more advanced than the EA.. and the latter beat them back to their home system, a feat which the non-aligned worlds and the Narn were incapable of.
Cordar 2 years ago
Exactly, humans were so sure and arrogant after their victory against more advanced Dilgar, that one of their options in first contact with Minbari was a fight. That's why they sent 3 war ships.They had no way to know about Minbari traditions, but they were warned by Centauri to sent one ship only. My point is that humans should try to contact Minbari through Centauri , so they could avoid misunderstnding. But humans refused any assistance and warnings. Who's fault is this?
ngiaxop06 2 years ago
Technically the group which composed the three ships were only a recon fleet to search for the Minbari, the real first contact would not happen till later. They were just to find these mysterious aliens and then return to report the sightings. The ignorance and misunderstanding in the first encounter of both sides was equally both races fault.
And they could not had used the Centauri to make contact, their diplomacy with the Minbari was very poor and difficult.
Cordar 2 years ago
Poor and difficult diplomacy is still better than nothing. If Centauri tried to contact Minbari and explain to them about humans, Minbari would know that a younger race wants to make first contact. They would expect that some day humans will arrive and things could go better.
ngiaxop06 2 years ago
Here's the question tho. Given that the Earthers were basically high on their victory from the Dilgar War, do you think it would've mattered if they knew about the Minbari tradition of appraoching with gun ports open?
Or would they have just fired anyway?
williamskidfears 2 years ago
If they sent the same unstable captain they would probably fire anyway. They should send diplomats, not captains
ngiaxop06 2 years ago
"The only diplomat I trust is a fully-activated phaser bank."
—Montgomery Scott
williamskidfears 2 years ago
;;Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.;;
-Plato
''Force always attracts men of low morality. ''
- Albert Einstein
ngiaxop06 2 years ago
@Cordar
no, The Earth Alliance simply blockaded the Dilgar in their home system until their sun went nova, the reason for the dilgar expansion in the first place.
MrChronified 6 months ago
@MrChronified You believe that was all that the EA did? They met the Dilgar in numerous battles before that, and decisively defeated them. Turning the tide of the war that both the nonaligned worlds and the Narn were steadily losing. It was in big part the EA that pushed the Dilgar back to their home system.
Then they made the mistake to switch over to energy weapons by the time of the Earth-Minbari war. Big mistake.
Cordar 6 months ago
@Cordar the ea's problem with the minbari wasnt the weapons damage, it was the targeting.
the minbari could hit them easily, but the ea ships where practically firing blind most of the time.
SCARREDMIND 5 months ago
@SCARREDMIND I know, That's what the range is for. An energy weapon have range problems because of energy diffusion. A projectile weapon don't. It would have given the EA much more elbow-space and time while aiming manually.
Cordar 5 months ago
@Cordar pure energy weapons yes, the weapons in b5 are generally accepted as being fusion beams & other types of super accelerated mass and or charged particle weapons.
the minbari had a stealth system that gave false readings to observers when enguaged, making it seem like their ships where elsewhere.
ea spent most of their time shooting sensor ghosts, that a bigger part of why they where so out matched then their guns.
SCARREDMIND 5 months ago
@Cordar No. Their big mistake was suffering from victory fever after they'd defeated the Dilgar. Then assuming that a race with at least a thousand-year lead on them techwise would simply roll over and play dead for the almighty Earthers. It was only the fact that Jeffrey Sinclair was Valen that saved the Earthers from becoming a memory.
williamskidfears 3 months ago
@williamskidfears The Dilgar also had a significant several-centuries long lead on them technologically. And the EA did not approach the Minbari to start a fight, and they did try to apologize for what happened. But in large part the failure to attain peaceful first contact was due to the fact that the warrior caste were stupid enough to think any aliens would know the isolated Minbari culture even remotely enough to see the opening of gun ports as anything but an act of aggression.
Cordar 3 months ago
@Cordar Honestly, I think there was enough stupidity to go around....
williamskidfears 3 months ago
@williamskidfears But regarding poorly thought-through peaceful first contact protocol/traditions in a non-parody setting, the Minbari pretty much takes the cake. It's like Dukhat was the only Minbari at the time who's wisdom included common sense.
Cordar 3 months ago
@Cordar More precisely, the Minbarri warrior caste, as they were the ones who committed the blunder in the first place...then again, the warrior caste were probably not exactly big on first contacts that didn't involve using a fighting pike anyway. :-D
williamskidfears 3 months ago
@Cordar Persoanlly I think both sides shared fault, and it was more to do with a lack on understanding of one another.
The Minbari were at fault, because they had become overconfident and were ignorant of things outside their own territory.
The EA was at fault because like the Minbari they had become overconfident, given their victory over the Dilgar and didn't listen to the Londo's warning about the Minbari and sent in the wrong person to led the expedition who panicked under pressure
Lightingwarrior 1 month ago
I think it's because 1) he tricked them instead of taking them in a straight-on fight and 2) The warrior caste was just pissed cos they got held back by the Grey Council at the last second.
williamskidfears 2 years ago
@imsiriustube If they hadnt been callous enough to come back to shoot down defencless survivors they wouldnt have been blown strait to hell.
angrydead 1 year ago 13
@imsiriustube well no-one likes to admit that they got their butts kicked by a people they think is inferior nor do they like being remainded that they underesteemated said people
Lightingwarrior 1 year ago
@imsiriustube They considered his act to be dishonourable because he tricked them. But as you pointed out, the Minbari were assholes anyway. They started an entire war to exterminate an intelligent species based on a simple misunderstanding.
HisDivineShadow245 11 months ago
@imsiriustube Its only the warrior caste that calls him that destroying a Sharlin Ace cruiser like that with asteroids seeded with tac nukes was a gross affront to the honour of the Minbari Warriors...
Hauntedman1 10 months ago
@imsiriustube Yeah, that kinda ticked me off as well...though I think I remeber a Minbari saying something to the effect that it was the cunning that was the problem - that Sheridan didn't win in open battle, but because of deception.
I still think the move was awesome, though! :D
JesusFreakDK 8 months ago
@JesusFreakDK Well hey, if you can't win in direct combat, use deception and cunning if it helps you win and protects your people from being wiped out. The Minbari didn't really expect humanity to just lay down and die quietly and abide by their strict interpretation of combat, did they?
girlgarde 5 months ago
earth alliance is earth future
soviet1970 2 years ago 5
out of curiousity. How many Hyperion ships would be needed to defeat an average Minbari war cruiser. On top of that how many Omega cruiser would be needed to defeat one. Just curious what yall think.
Fraptree 2 years ago
Considering the Omega-class ships are far slower and need to rotate their middle sections to produce artificial gravity, I'd put the number at around 20, at least, and even then, no more than 4 or 5 would survive considering Minbari are far superior technologically in both weapons and stealth. That's not even including speed, agility, the minerals they use for their ships' hulls or what the range of their weapons systems actually are.
gribae 2 years ago 3
Ah.... How about Hyperions?
Fraptree 2 years ago
Whoa there. The Minbari are more advanced than Earth, but not THAT much more advanced. Their ships aren't actually super durable. They took serious damage from a short barrage in the first contact incident, after all that's how Dukat was killed. And obviously even their flagship can be destroyed a couple 2-megaton nuke. It's just that's so damn hard to hit them hard before they kill you, because of the stealth.
ElPatrioto 1 year ago
@ElPatrioto
Minbari cruiser's main advantage ain't armor, but weapon systems. Their beam weapons could cut Earth ships in half so easily..like there were no armor at all. Actually advanced Omega-destroyers already had stronger armor than Minbari cruisers.
..but their weapons sucked compared to Minbari counterparts.
kimnice 1 year ago
@kimnice If you mean the Omegas with shadow tech, their weapons were pretty badass from what I saw. They just suffered from the stormtrooper effect. If they were good guys, they'd have taken the Whitestar fleet to school.
xylaphonemaster 1 year ago
@xylaphonemaster not nessarly White stars are made out of tech from Minbari and party vorlon, plus they were alot faster and more manverable than the Omegas were. Whites stars have proven to hold their own for a while against a true shadow ship and a vorlon ship as well. Alos the crews of those ships were all verterans from the last Shadow war and verteran crews on a ship count for alot when in battle.
Lightingwarrior 1 year ago
@Lightingwarrior Not against Nukes!
svartekaptenen 9 months ago
@kimnice Actually, it was more the range of the beam weapon since EA ships relied on pulse cannons which can be devastating but on a much shorter range and at a comparatively low rate of fire. The second advantage was that Minbari cruisers were equipped with stealth technology, so that EA weapon systems had a lot of trouble locking on to the target.
dudewhosaysarrh 1 year ago
ngiaxop06 2 years ago
Uh, none, cos the Hyperions would get scragged in a straight-up fight with a Sharlin.
Omegas might be a mutual kill situation.
williamskidfears 2 years ago
If they had the warlocks at the time then maybe they could have fought on equal terms.
biggroberts01 2 years ago
From that point on, I'd be laying proximity mines all over the system, with decoyed communications transmitted randomly from each.
Hiraghm 2 years ago 3
lol agreed
Sentinal3131 2 years ago
Too obvious. Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.
smcneal057 2 years ago
At this point, nuke would be virtually useless against federation ship, because the shield will absorb all of the blast yield.
Photon torpedo is more powerfull then nuke because they are matter and antimatter explosion, while nuke spread out too far. Another thins, I haven't seen any BB5 ships have shield.
shinichi85 2 years ago
The third space Alien ships did have shields.
Vorlons also have shields of sorts even individual vorlons can make a psychokinetic force field that can block blaster fire.
The Shadows can phase in and out of hyperspace which gives them something almost as good as a force field in battle and for guerrilla ambush tactics maybe even better.
The Minbari and later Earth ships have a refracting hull that tries to reflect energy from a beam weapon.
BTW the yield on a standard photon torpedo is 64.4 MT
Membrane556 2 years ago
Keep in mind that photon torpedos are the product of star trek and Babylon 5 never once uses anything remotely like them. It uses technology that we know of today, can design, even build today, which also gives it a greater air of realism.
gribae 2 years ago 4
Photon torpedoes would not be hard to build!
biggroberts01 2 years ago
Begt to differ, since we do not even have the technology today to control individual photons, let alone put them to use in missle systems, but perhaps 100 years down the track, aye. Let's see if N. Korea starts the war everyone is thinking first
gribae 2 years ago
Photon torpedoes have little to do with photons! A photon torpedo is simply a miniaturised warp drive with a matter\anitmatter warhead!
biggroberts01 2 years ago
It is only a matter of time before a warp drive is developed.
biggroberts01 2 years ago
We haven't even harnessed antimatter effectively yet. Maybe in the future, but defense grids would still scrag them.
williamskidfears 2 years ago
We are closer to harnessing antimatter than people think. Depends on how quick defence grids are, do not forget that photon torpedoes are warp capable.
biggroberts01 2 years ago
This isn't the simplistic star trek universe where humans are a major power who travel around moralizing over 'stupid' aliens with light makeup and interfering with their culture to impose American-values. The B5 universe is gritty and far more realistic. Humans are NOT a major power and are backward technically. The EA is corrupt and racist. It's no federation! The humans arrogantly strayed into Minbari space and paid the price. No negotiations. No rules of war.
Star Trek is so simplistic.
Danny77uk 2 years ago 6
Your argument is simplistic and false. I think you need to read your Earth Alliance history again. The war started as a simple misunderstanding during an accidental first contact that turned into a holy crusade for genocide by the Minbari.
HisDivineShadow245 2 years ago 2
That, and Earth is a major power. We just aren't the most powerful. If you don't count the Vorlons, we're something like number 3, behind the Minbari and Centauri.
DanPhantom89 2 years ago
Officially it goes (order of the counsel on B5) Vorlons, Minbari, Centauri, Human, Narn, yet in regards to age, it's Vorlon, Minbari, Centauri, Narn, Human
gribae 2 years ago
You forget that the prime directive forbids interference in other cultures and 1st contact with pre-warp cultures. Star Trek is far darker than you think.
biggroberts01 2 years ago
Who Cares, Both are good Sci-Fi shows. I just wish they gave Space Above and Beyond more of a chance. Now that was a Dark Sci-Fi.
GriggsC123 2 years ago 5
And yet star trek RARELY gave these themes much credence. The only real showing was the episode where Picard was captured and tortured by the Cardassians. Babylon 5 had it in almost every episode.
gribae 2 years ago
Wrong, if you watch Star Trek intently, you will see that Star trek studies humanity very intently. It is written to make people think, ST is very subtle. B5 is too harsh ad is likely to put people of considering important issues.
biggroberts01 2 years ago
You will also find that the Borg are a superb study of violation of the body.
biggroberts01 2 years ago
Considering in three of the four series the Prime Directive is observed more in breach than in compliance, that isn't exactly a valid point.
williamskidfears 2 years ago
Depends on how you interpret the Prime Directive. Not all situations are black and white.
biggroberts01 2 years ago
Starkiller indeed
SgtSplatter782 3 years ago 3
But this is a long way into the future. Who knows how powerful nuclear weapons are at this point in time? Also, I never saw a photon torpedo as powerful as an atomic bomb in the Star Trek universe. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Leondrius 3 years ago 2
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PumpkinPuffer 3 years ago
LOL True hahahah Nice one Punker
Bester7544 2 years ago
Raa Dude is Callewd "In The Beggining"
Bester7544 3 years ago
Can annyone tell me how this movie is called?
Ive seen it once years ago.
Or is it just part of the series ?
Thanks
Raafje84 3 years ago 2
it is called Babylon 5: In The Beginning
Dimitris8972 3 years ago 2
Really reaffirms the modo of the show, atleast during the shadow war, of no retreat, no surrender
Moviemaster222 3 years ago 2
mannnn Bruce Boxleitner is such an underrated actor...
Molari 3 years ago 7
He tends to ham it up at times, but he was really good in this scene. He's great on Chuck as Captain Awesome's dad.
ElPatrioto 1 year ago
one of the things that always bugged me was whydidnt they use armor for if the ship lost atmosphere?
valcan321 3 years ago
The Mimbari had a type of stealth technology that gave them a huge advantage plus the ability to make accurate hyper space jumps.
It basically was like trying to fight F22s using mig 21s.
As for dirty tactics what the blackstar did to hunt earth ships also was a pretty dirty tactic.
Membrane556 3 years ago 3
dirty tactic :/ i say they just secured a "landing zone/Pickup area" :) And yeah earth had a rough time not being able to target through their intemnce sencors and signal canceling tech in essence was a jamming byproduct. Bringing light to the stars as a path to the balance of the future was a good message. wish i had entire series.
hoppermantis 3 years ago
I agree so the Minbari have no right to whine and complain that Sheridan tricked the Blackstar into coming into his trap.
They're just mad that Sheridan shattered their aura of invincibility.
girlgarde 2 years ago 6
LOL very true
23Revan84 2 years ago
No idea why Earth did not use nukes extensively in the war. 2 megatonne is tiny. 5000 megatonnes, oh yeah.
EVariation 3 years ago 2
i know what youre thinking
terranempire9 3 years ago
If you want to see massive nukes at work, Stargate Atlantis (First Strike episode is pretty cool).
EVariation 3 years ago 2
used for planetary bombing! I guess
northwesten 3 years ago 3
Minbari point defense would simply shoot them down. They're pretty clever. Besisdes, I thought it was 200 MT?
kitchenaut 3 years ago 2
After this they tried, still didn't work, since most battles don't happen in asteroid fields.
ElPatrioto 1 year ago
If all Earthforce ships have nukes, why didn't they just use those against the Minbari?
I'm sure there's a reason, but I can't remember it :D
Whatupwidat 3 years ago
The Minbari have good defenses I guess.
GEOAMPAS 3 years ago
The Minbari were the beneficiaries of having been allies of the Vorlons against the Shadows ten thousand years prior to the Earth-Minbari War. Some of the technology the Vorlons shared with them was organically-based. I remember the organically-based nature of the Minbari ships as one reason Earth Alliance weapons were very ineffective in damaging them. The hulls were able to repair themselves fast.
TheKakuroMaster 3 years ago
Never underestamate the element of surprise.
Crusnik2000 3 years ago 4
John Sheridan was THE MAN!! If EarthForce was thinking, they'd have promoted him to General and let him direct war efforts. I'm FIRMLY convinced, if General John Sheridan took over the war, Humanity would have kicked Minbari ass all the way back to Minbar.
StarshipMaxima 3 years ago 2
Well, I wouldn't go THAT far....
Still, the Minbari might have suffered heavier losses if Sheridan had been made general.
The way I see it, the Minbari have no right to whine about Sheridan's tactics. The Blackstar was going to destroy the Lexington so Sheridan had the right to defend his ship in any way possible.
girlgarde 3 years ago 6
but still, they were at war, so he HAD to defend himself. Sheridan should have been promoted to war general, but EarthForce was probably thinking, "well, it's just one ship". I kinda agree, but shooting down a Minbari cruiser, not to mention a Flagship, was one hell of an achievement.
TEX123g 3 years ago 3
In war there is no such thing as fair or following the rules, it is war. Ok well you can have chivalry, and honor.
In war you use everything that you have against you enemy, whether it be wrong because you want to live and fight for the cause you believe in.
Although I like sheridan's tactics, he would have made it harder for the Minbari but there ships are to advanced and powerful.
23Revan84 3 years ago 2
The show was never about war but the decisions we make and the consequence of living with those decisions.
Maybe I'm wrong and I could be full of shit, but I am a former soldier.
captaintripps6969 3 years ago 27
no your right!!!
northwesten 3 years ago 5
You're right on in your assessment of this show's real meaning. And thank you for your service.
newbatgirl 3 years ago 6
No need to say thank you, though it is nice of you to do so. I'd like to say you're welcome but that would be pretentious of me, and I am simply not that way. BUT!! I will say this- "You ROCK for enjoying Babylon 5." :-D
captaintripps6969 3 years ago 8
Yeah well personally, I think I might have waited several hours at least before trying to contact anyone but then again there wouldn't be a show if that happened
GEURAEIM 4 years ago
man,i hope we get that far..ps we would have way better stuff,nukes would be nothing..
SomeFatGuy666 4 years ago
the 2 megaton tac nukes is a bit silly.. a 2 megaton payload is really pretty small I doubt they would have completely destroyed a minbari ship unless the nukes were physically placed right on the hull of the ship. Now a 40+ megaton nuke... hmm well mayb then ok.
Killazer 4 years ago
They are _tactical_ nukes. They're not supposed to be hugely powerful.
Danny77uk 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
I never cared for this show, there were just too many goofy scenes. Distress signal to Earth? All signals travel at the speed of light so there can be no instantaneous communications with anybody. The captain is such a wimp! You are the captain fool, you don't ask for confirmation from your crew, you make decisions and give orders.
Bullettube 4 years ago
PhasersLocked:
That would happen if writers would want that.
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kimnice 4 years ago
It may be weird to bring Star Trek into a Babylon 5 video, but in this video the Black Star was destroyed by two Earthforce nukes. I've seen some space battle videos where Minbari cruisers blow up Federation ships continuosly without being destroyed. But I think a few photon torpedoes have at least as much punch as Babylon 5-era nukes, so wouldn't Minbari cruisers be easily detsroyed by Star Trek photon torpedoes?
PhasersLocked 4 years ago 4
That's a good point because Fed photon torpedoes are a matter antimatter reaction which is theoretically a lot more powerful compared to a nuclear explosion .
AngryBassist66623 3 years ago
Yeah. A Minbari capital ship fell to a single Earthforce nuke-who's to say they won't fall to photon torpedoes?
PhasersLocked 3 years ago
You still need to aim a photon torpedo, so you would need sensors that can penetrate the Minbari cloacing devises, and even if you manage that, photon torpedos are way slower than particle weapons, it would be an easy match for the defense grid of a Minbari warcruiser.
8x57ISDeutsch 3 years ago 2
So? It's not like phasers are absolutely useless.
PhasersLocked 3 years ago
@PhasersLocked the main problem with that is that locking on to a minbari ship is a real problem. and minbari ships are really fast they could most likely dodge the photon torpedos. if the federation starship finds away to lock on to the minbari cruiser maybe it has a chance if not it is all over for the federation ship.
Crusnik2000 2 years ago
@Crusnik2000 That's fair enough.
PhasersLocked 2 years ago
However, I highly doubt a 1600 metre Sharlin warcruiser could outmaneuver even the largest Federation ship (the Enterprise-E is less than 700 metres in length).
PhasersLocked 2 years ago
@PhasersLocked in any case locking on to a minbari sharlin class warcruiser is a major problem. if the federation ship can't lock on to the warcruser that federaton ship can be in a world of hurt real quick.
Crusnik2000 2 years ago
Hard to make a comparison with two completely different universes. The Star Trek universe clearly had humans with far more advanced technology than the humans of Babylon 5.
The Sovereign class was also designed to be more maneuverable than a contemporary ship 1/4th its size.
ST ships can wreck planetary levels of destruction and their shields can defend against it for plot varying amounts of time. I think TNG onwards series could take out a Sharlin.
Nogrentain 2 years ago
@Nogrentain i know that comparing the two universes is hard. the thing is that Minbari have were traveling in space for much longer than humans of eather series. and they also had the vorlons enhance there technology. i might be a fair fight if the a sovereigh class ship if it's crew finds away to lock on to the Sharlin class warcruiser. other wise it would be a one sided fight. not to mention the minbari war crusier has a form of shielding as well..
Crusnik2000 2 years ago
Assuming of course that it would be difficult to get a lock. The ST universe repeatedly the only effective stealth technology is the cloaking device, which the Minbari have nothing closely resembling. I still see the Minbari being utterly annihilated if caught under a full barrage.
Humans also advanced at a much faster rate in the ST universe. You go from Enterprise where humans are below average, to TNG where the Federation is top in the known galaxy outside of the Borg.
Nogrentain 2 years ago
@Nogrentain fair enough. The federation might have a chance against the minbar. however the federation would have no chance against the vorlons.besides Babylon 5 is more realistic. used real space physics and when we do become a space fairing race we will not be the most advanced out there,
Crusnik2000 2 years ago
I think you're forgetting about Starfleet's most powerful weapon authorised to be used only in the most dire circumstances due to its awesome power: the deflector dish!
To be fair, it took humanity 300 years to come out on top in ST, the first 90 of which was under Vulcan tutelage, and limited technological assistance.
Here...150-160 years after first contact, the warlock and victory put humanity on top.
Nogrentain 2 years ago
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Crusnik2000 2 years ago
@Nogrentain i have not forgotten the deflector dish. the problem with the dish is that it is a one shot weapon. afterwards the deflector dish is burnt out and would need of extensive repairs. it is nice last resort weapon. but the federation starship would defenceless while power is built back up and repairs made. the problem is that even with the deflector dish i doubt that federation starship could hurt let alone destroy a vorlon ship. nice weapon too bad it is only a one shot deal.
Crusnik2000 2 years ago
I was making a jab at how in ST the deflector dish is used for anything and everything as the plot requires.
Nogrentain 2 years ago 9