@HumaneAnon Its nice that he was cut off, but its annoying that he was aloud in at all. How dare he accuse Hitchens of being a Holocaust denier, last time I checked Hitchens came from an ethnic Jewish polish background. You may as well accuse Martin Luther king of being a segregationist because he mentioned it in speeches and said one shouldn't respond to it with violence.
Excellent rhetoric disguising his hatred of freedom of conscience and speech. Such a deceptive little man. He hates self restraint and is an unrestrained bigot. His mother was a suicide and his father sold armd to Stalin. And incredibly prejudiced bigot.
Where can I find more of Andrew Moodie's commentary about this speech? I'd love to see what he has to say... I don't know anything about him (even if he agrees or disagrees), but it seemed like he was going to say something intelligent, at any rate.
It's a shame that the murderess Aileen Wuornos was executed when she could have been of great help to the legions of brave U.S. marines who torture, irradiate, mutilate & murder elderly men, young mothers & children of Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan & Libya.
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Unequivocally Hitchens' best speech on Youtube. This of course, is saying quite a lot. This speech ought to be added to his list of classic works on the subject of free speech.
"...We civilised men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of elimination; we build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed, and the sick; we institute poor-laws; and our medical men exert their utmost skill to save the life of every one to the last moment...Thus the weak members of civilised societies propagate their kind... [Charles Darwin: "The Descent of Man," 1871 ed. vol. I, p. 168]
When he says, "Where's your piddling subsection now?" I get goosebumps. I can't explain it exactly. My guess is it's just been so long since I've seen someone both show some intense moral outrage and actually respect liberty at the same time.
@MamaMario13 The point he's making is that Christians and Muslims who call for the execution of Jews and homosexuals, are the ones who want protection from any criticism of their religion, which they have the nerve to call "hate speech". It's a double-standard.
Im very glad that I happen to agree with Hitchens on most issues (including this one).. because I would hate to have to be no the recieving end of one of his arguments.
@russmckinley I guess there isn't much else to respond to, because all you can do with your pseudo-intelligence is call me fucking stupid and a racist... Right. Prepare to be blocked, you troll
@russmckinley this is another WTF moment. If you would have said 'I don't like how Jews force their children to be circumcised' I would have to agree with you. What you went on and on and on about was how a LOT of Jewish people holds executive positions within the media industry (I never would deny this, either), but the fact is that you make yourself sound like a conspiracy theorist who wears an aluminum hat that actually hates Jewish people.
@russmckinley I said you sounded like an anti-semite, and I stand by that. How does saying the same thing without any ground make me the ignorant one? You're scum
@russmckinley stop talking. You don't make any sense and you don't have any points. Now you really do sound like an anti-semitic. If you critique the religion or critique the media censorship or manipulation due to theological influence, by all means do it. But to be honest you seem like a crackpot who'll accept any conspiracy theory out there. You're just a walking, talking bag of nonesense
@russmckinley what? I never said that anti-semite isn't a label that is misused or abused. I just made the distinction between hating people and hating an idea. what do you think is offending me? ad-hominid attacks basically negate your argument, and that's why I find this conversation useless. To quote the mighty Hitch, "What are you talking about, my good sir?" Call me a 'useless fucking person' again, but do it without a keyboard. Fuck. Some people's children these days
@russmckinley your use of ad-hominid attacks makes this my last comment. Jews own 90% of the american media, and that's why you haven't heard a word... great point. Christianity says that rocks should be thrown at heathens, but like the 'beast' idea that you brought up, problems should be dealt with when they arise. confront the jews who infringe on human rights and leave it, duh. it's really revealing when you call me kiddo and say things that bolster your own intelligence.
@russmckinley sure, call it anti-judaism. The fact that you've never heard it only means that there isn't a holy war being raged by Jewish people and thus no one is afraid of the religion. why don't you think about it????
@russmckinley No, because anti-semitism is prejudice against jews (the people, not the religion). Islamophobia is the fear of the religion of Islam and of the consequences of such a retarding world view (just as one can be afraid of any negative impact of Judaism).
Precisely, hence the difference between anti-semitism and Islamophobia (which sounds worse than it is). Just to clarify my position, hating people because of their religion is distinct from hating the religion itself. Islamophobia is an example of the latter, anti-semitism is an example of a combination of the former and racism. People who hate the Islamic or Jewish religions are not racists, people who hate Muslims and Jews can't be called "racists", but they're the equivalent.
Anti-semitism isn't about the religion, it's hatred of the Jewish race/ ethnic group - there's a reason it's not called "anti-Judaism". "Semitic" used to refer to the languages of that name, now it usually refers more specifically to the Jewish people. Hating Arabs would be more similar. Hating Judaism or hating Islam is fine - and by extension ridiculing them is fine. Religions are world-views.There's a difference between hating a world-view and hating people for their ethnicity.
Obscurantist/plagiarist/historical revisionist Christopher (bearer of Christ) Hitchens supports the eugenic policies of the modern-day Western World: carbon taxes (which'll double the price of grain); abortion (infanticide/genocide); endless warfare (as Orwell had warned in "1984"); confiscatory taxation; Zero Population Growth; "atheism"/Darwinism (the denigration of personhood/self-sovereignty) & internationalism (planetary govt.). If anyone is then surely: he's deserving of deportation.
@AsEasyAsEasyIs "abortion (infanticide/genocide)" ACTUALLY Christopher hitchens is pro-life. You don't sound like you have ever heard or read anything about hitchens at all. How is he a revisionist historian? ""atheism"/Darwinism (the denigration of personhood/self-sovereignty)" He doesn't believe in social darwinism, and neither did Charles Darwin. Social darwinism is NOT darwinism. Anyone who thinks so knows nothing of history
Christopher Hitchens, on T.V. & in his books, promotes empire-building. He champions the facilitating of U.N. expeditionary forces, on the Thomas Woodrow Wilson's war model of 1918, to police the globe. Hitchens is anti-Republic, anti-free speech. He yearns for a world mirroring Orwell's opus "1984" whereat the State controls the flow of information. Non-readers are oblivious to the hatchet job Hitch did on Thomas Jefferson.
Degenerated dipsomaniac Hitchens promotes the Rockefeller-Kissinger model of American-Anglican empire that will last into the 22nd century. It is a modernist/corporatist feudal system, with elements of mercantilism, designed to destroy federalism, and the free market economies they beget, planetarily.
I hope that dude at the end had more to say and that the cut off just took him way out of context. Being that this aired in Canada, however I doubt it.
"proud of defending him" That´s sooooooooooooooooo foolish as to be hardly worth replying to, you just heard Hitch´s reasons, or were you so deaf blind and stupid as not to hear?
You foolish man. The Koran may be ridiculous but you have the arrogance to impugn the The Bible? It's the distilled word of Almighty God, and is a beacon of moral guidance and righteousness in a world of wickedness and sin.
One of if not the best speech I've heard him make, he was in the zone on this one. The flow was almost musical; I'd love to acquire a similar mastery with words but the sad truth is I'm about 20,000 books behind him. The mans paid his dues by reading more books than I've had big macs (I eat a lot of Big Macs) and has earned all the praise that comes his way. Bravo to Chrostopher and here's hoping he has plenty more rants of this quality in him yet
I am not saying that he doesn't have the right to say what he has to say, but I am saying that he is most definitely a hatemonger and given that rights must be balanced with responsibility and accountability, he must accept any consequences that are a result of his remarks. Trotsky and Lenin, his stated mentors, were responsible for the most massive violations of free speech rights and human rights in history. Religious speech is also free speech.
@PinataMan The world has already the kind of free speech spoken of by the bolsheviks. Hitchens is an actual trotskyite/bolshevik, and a great admirer of Lenin. That speaks volumes to me about his "free speech". Very dangerous man.
@bantumwt As far as I am aware, that's not actually true, anymore, and hasn't been for many years.
You appear to be making the "Glenn Beck argument", which is that, if you admire or agree with any part of an ideology or belief that can be linked, no matter whether it logically follows from it, to human misery or death, you are therefore somehow implicated in that.
That's obvious nonsense. And if it were true, not one person would be free of implication, including yourself.
@FunkyJogaBonito He still admits his ties to Trotsky, whom many consider to be the first neocon and he calls himself a Marxist and a great admirer of Lenin. That pretty much seals it for me. The man is dangerous to anyone who values freedom.
@bantumwt But again, unless you can show that he actually supports oppression, you really don't have an argument.
I completely disagree with his stance on certain strains of Islam, but at least I've taken the time to understand his far more nuanced position than some would give him credit for.
It is a statistical certainty that you also believe some of the things that Trotsky and Lenin did, and also a large proportion of Marxism (however defined), so you need much more than that.
@FunkyJogaBonito Actually when someone calls for "ridicule, hatred, and contempt to be shown for religion " and they have his credentials - that pretty much says it all. Hate speech is hate speech. If it was some nazi sayng such things it would be no different. The bolsheviks were responsible for many times the atrocities of the nazis.
@bantumwt Any idea, and particularly one that is often as superficial and intolerant as certain aspects of religion, can be treated with ridicule and even contempt, in certain circumstances, but I would agree that "hatred" is going too far, although context is important.
There's nothing contradictory about criticism (and even contempt) of a belief and also respecting the rights and dignity of those who accept that belief. That's an important distinction, in my opinion.
@FunkyJogaBonito Let me make my position clear - There has never been a more deadly group of people in all of human history than the bolsheviks. An estimated 130 million dead during the 20th century. A primary target for them was religion and the religious. So when someone is slamming religion and claiming to be a Marxist and a Leninist - it's time to take notice. Never again.
@FunkyJogaBonito I certainly do not agree with everything about religion or specific religions BUT the problem is not religion, the problem is extremism, which includes religious people, atheists, and anyone else holding extremist views. The problem is people. Hitchens has a personal axe to grind against religion and that is offensive and bigoted.
@bantumwt "I certainly do not agree with everything about religion or specific religions BUT the problem is not religion, the problem is extremism..."
The problem is extremism?
What word is synonymous with extremism?
Fundamentalism.
Anyone will with a grain of wit will understand my point. Faith is rotten at its very core, which is why the least fanatical of the religious are those who adhere most tenuously.
@TheYellowTelevision Well if that's the case then then the 130 million killed by atheists in the 20th century must have been killed by fundie atheists, I guess.
@bantumwt Many consider Trotsky to be the first neocon?? Just when you thought you had heard it all before. Anyone who thinks such nonsense obviously has NO understanding of the definition of the word conservative. Hitchens is also a great admirer of Dr Johnson, GK Chesterton et al does that make him a fully paid up member of their club too going by your fatuous logic? Your argument appears to be merely the spewing of McCarthyist propaganda rather than tackling the points Hitchens makes.
@CosmosLoyal I think you need to brush up on your history a bit. American neo-conservatism not conservatism (there is a difference) can very much be traced to trotskyism - especially regarding support for militarism in the Middle East. The link runs through Shachtman. As far as Hitchens goes he is/was an avowed Trotskyite and marxist/leninist. far more committed than simple admiration.
@shystylzyt I never claimed he was a conservative, but his stand on certain policies such as militarism in the Mid East and some economic policies are identical to those of the neoconservatives. He is leftist on most other things. There is a difference between the neocons and conservatives. Neocons are generally globalists. Conservatives tend to be more nationalist.
@bantumwt I was corroborating your point. Neocons are not conservatives. They are mainly pro-interventionist liberals and center-liberals. Worldwide democracy enforcement has little to do with conservatism.
The average joe US citizen could give 2 squirts of shit about Islam and arabic people. We do not hear of Muslim humanitarism because body counts of terrorists that are muslims take the headlines.
If you are muslim and not a terroists, than join the fucking fight against them or shut the fuck up No one cares about you if you are not part of the problem.
I think he says "our adrenaline glands are too big and our thumb-finger opposition isn't all that it might be" as opposed to the testosterone comment.
@tomthefunky the adrenaline gland is what he refers to, not testosterone levels. I hardly think a testosterone fuelled mammal like Hitch would decry the androgen steroid hormone that gives him the fire in his belly. So to speak.
Can everyone please stop mindlessly thumbing down or up comments? I strongly agree with Hitchens on a lot (probably most) of issues, but there is no need to thumb down the "AlexGoldhill" comments below me. The point of the thumb down is to control profane users.
The second you downthumb something just because it goes against wat Hitchens says makes you no better than the theists blindly following their faith. Try writing a response instead.
Whilst I agree with a lot of the things that Mr Hitchens has said, I respectfully disagree with his claim that the main source of hatred is religion. like virtually all human concepts, religion is often used as an excuse to hate someone, with the actual cause being a variety of other things, such as; politics, greed, irrational hatred or nationalism to name a few. Whilst there have been occasions where the cause was religion i.e. The Crusades, there have also been other factors that contribute
Such as the land that the various nobles and soldiers could gain, the fact that such a war would be able to unite and synergise the nation, premptivley striking a rival power and removing a rival to papal authority (which was as much polkitical as it was religious at the time)
Some of you may disagree with this, but as the internet is a place of free speech you are entitled to say so, just don't expect me to take it lying down
As long as I live, I don't think I'll ever understand how fully grown adults can be taken in by a "holy" book so supremely, stunningly retarded and morally poisonous as the koran. Wake the fuck up. Break out of your trance.
Humans are irrational. Thye very essences of our societies are essentially figments of our imagination, i.e. nations, laws, moralityh, honour, justice and any other human concept you can name. This is not entierly a bad thing. All of our inovations and ideas come from this imagination, and I have chosen to see humans living in a dream world as a positive thing. Religion is just the tip of the iceburg.
Did the guy at the end even listen to the man's speech? He wasn't defending the position of denying the holocaust. He was defending the right of an individual having to express controversial views.
Well, because it's cut off you can't tell whether the guy understood that or not.
He is right, Hitchens was, at this point, proud to defend David Irving (though their relationship has cooled somewhat since then), which is tantamount to defending the right to deny the holocaust.
And there's nothing wrong with that in my opinion, and this guy may not think there's anything wrong with it either.
pretty ironic that people are giving thumbs down to comments on a video about the benefits of free speech. Sure, you have the right to judge others comments, but i'd say a reply is more productive then trying to eradicate the comment
It's even more ironic that your passing judgment on an individuals method of selection, of comments they may or may not agree with. When clearly chrissy hitch expresses his distaste for the materials.
If paedophiles have been molested in their childhood will and can never give them the right to molest others children.if germans gassed 6 million(true or not) does not give israelis to shoot arab babies in skull.got it jew boy.
This man is wonderful, he speaks so much sense and gives me so much inspiration to stand up for what I believe in and not to be scared of others when I speak my mind.
Yea man, the guy in the end is WAY OFF. Some people just can't understand Hitchens however much they try, but thankfully they are all ridiculed in debates when literate and intelligent people laugh their asses off at his comments. Stay cool, Hitchens!
Did God dictate it in English? In Latin? In Greek?
Unless you can understand the nuances of classical Hebrew and Aramaic, you are saying you know better than your God by assigning to him a translation into idiot-speech for the lovers of Monster Trucks.
And no one believes it was dictated to Moses; it's a ridiculous idea. "Good morning, Moses. Now, where did we leave off?"
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Hitchens is a drunken idiot, one year he loves Islam and the next he's trying to tear it apart,watch- " ?v=INy2ysHhgYM " ( you tube)he is ripped up for shit roll by the best orator in the business, George Galloway, the British government tried to falsify documents they claimed to find in Iraq's ministry of information for which he had to rip up the U.S senate committee
You're a moron, the documents are indeed real. Stop reading just the 'sinister' side of everything. Open your mind, drop your dogma, and REASON your way through life.
"Trying to destroy Islam?" Are you telling us you are opposed to criticism of organized religion?
That Hitchens, a former trotskyite and life-long critic of organized religion has ever "loved islam", is absurd and a blatant lie. Bring your proof or retract your false statement.
Hitchens has been on the subject of religion since anyone would listen to him, as the FOX news network would say, he has "flip-flopped" many times on Palestinian-Jewish arguements over the years.
" he has "flip-flopped" many times on Palestinian-Jewish arguements over the years."
Your bold claim was about islam, not politics. Prove your false claim of Hitch "loving islam" or be permanently exposed as the lying ignoramus that you are.
Yes, Hitchens is rare. A rare thinker in a dogmatic, polarized soundbite-world. One of few honest enough to condemn both Jerry Falwell and Islam. Sad that we should be surprised when someone goes after Clinton and Mother Teresa while attacking muslim radicals. We need more people brave enough to think outside their little mental prisons and be intellectually honest. If freedom of speech doesn't include those we disagree with, it's worthless.
"It is obvious that Hitchens is proud of defending Holocaust denier..."
Some people are incapable of rational thought. I laughed my ass off at the end of this video.
HumaneAnon 1 month ago 2
@HumaneAnon Its nice that he was cut off, but its annoying that he was aloud in at all. How dare he accuse Hitchens of being a Holocaust denier, last time I checked Hitchens came from an ethnic Jewish polish background. You may as well accuse Martin Luther king of being a segregationist because he mentioned it in speeches and said one shouldn't respond to it with violence.
GiulianoTaverna89 1 week ago
Inspirational.
indycolts4 1 month ago
"Shame on you while you do this, make use of the time you have left."
You did Hitch and we will carry on for you...
AlaskanBaked 2 months ago 2
Excellent rhetoric disguising his hatred of freedom of conscience and speech. Such a deceptive little man. He hates self restraint and is an unrestrained bigot. His mother was a suicide and his father sold armd to Stalin. And incredibly prejudiced bigot.
Youdamana 2 months ago in playlist Freedom of Speech: Hitchens @ tvo
@Youdamana This is a joke, right? Because if not, I cannot believe you watched what he said and see the irony of what you said.
Mrawaken77 6 days ago
This is deliciously wonderful, I love you Hitch !
MrCoolhandLucas 3 months ago
Where can I find more of Andrew Moodie's commentary about this speech? I'd love to see what he has to say... I don't know anything about him (even if he agrees or disagrees), but it seemed like he was going to say something intelligent, at any rate.
yresimdemus 5 months ago
It's a shame that the murderess Aileen Wuornos was executed when she could have been of great help to the legions of brave U.S. marines who torture, irradiate, mutilate & murder elderly men, young mothers & children of Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan & Libya.
AsEasyAsEasyIs 5 months ago
Wow, he only said one and a half sentences, but that stupid, horrific, narcissistic primate at the end really didnt understand any of the speech.
shortfuse41 5 months ago
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What the hell are you talking about? Did you see part 1 of this speech? Hitchens says exactly what this so called "primate" simply repeated.
dudesonman4200 5 months ago
Wow, quite possibly the greatest speech I have ever heard him deliver.
tkdchamp971 6 months ago 4
Wow, quite possibly the greatest speech I have ever heard him deliver.
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Where can I find the entirety of the speech/event?
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its clear what hitch was doin. defending free speach. wether he agrees with C.I. or not is irrelevant.
unless we allow speech that we absolutely disagree with we are not practicing free speech.
if you want to be heard, bother to hear others.
any one that dosnt agree with me can take a number, get in line and kiss my ass!!!
classic hitch.
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AsEasyAsEasyIs 7 months ago
Imagine, articulating this speech when you were in grade 6, attending a catholic school?
conman2317 7 months ago
MY HERO!
MrJayman91 7 months ago
Unequivocally Hitchens' best speech on Youtube. This of course, is saying quite a lot. This speech ought to be added to his list of classic works on the subject of free speech.
amatuerarabist 7 months ago 4
To that guy at the end. I would say. "You don't get it mate. Hitchens is defending his and by proxy everyone's right of free expression.".
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AsEasyAsEasyIs 8 months ago
"Where are your priorities ladies and gentlemen?"
shortfuse41 8 months ago
Breath man!
SnaggleKong 10 months ago
When he says, "Where's your piddling subsection now?" I get goosebumps. I can't explain it exactly. My guess is it's just been so long since I've seen someone both show some intense moral outrage and actually respect liberty at the same time.
darwinkilledgod 10 months ago 16
@darwinkilledgod Yea you never see it that anymore sad to say..
grownman455 9 months ago
@darwinkilledgod For me the line is "where are your priorities, ladies and gentlemen?"
YourDogIsDeadHAHA 2 months ago
[I reckon that the opposite of stay-at-home mom is go-to-work dad.]
AsEasyAsEasyIs 10 months ago
Shirley Booth played Hazel
With her big white bra
She never stopped
Luring men into her confidence who were bra salesmen at Kmart
AsEasyAsEasyIs 10 months ago
Which law is he opposing? I dont understand what anti-blasphemy has to do with fags and Jews
MamaMario13 11 months ago
@MamaMario13 The point he's making is that Christians and Muslims who call for the execution of Jews and homosexuals, are the ones who want protection from any criticism of their religion, which they have the nerve to call "hate speech". It's a double-standard.
rationalsalvation 11 months ago 2
@rationalsalvation I know, hypocrites
MamaMario13 11 months ago
Closed it after 12 seconds, stupid southern cunt.
shaymenfists 11 months ago
Hitchens is brilliant, brave and engaging
tlydon2 1 year ago 2
Im very glad that I happen to agree with Hitchens on most issues (including this one).. because I would hate to have to be no the recieving end of one of his arguments.
wespayne67 1 year ago
he said adrenal glands. NOT testtosterone.
carenome1 1 year ago
Where can I find the full debate?
wormdrink414 1 year ago
@wormdrink414 Dont know.. But its at: Hart House, University of Toronto, Nov. 15 - 2006
BrianBartholin 11 months ago
@russmckinley I guess there isn't much else to respond to, because all you can do with your pseudo-intelligence is call me fucking stupid and a racist... Right. Prepare to be blocked, you troll
TaeGaruma34 1 year ago
@russmckinley this is another WTF moment. If you would have said 'I don't like how Jews force their children to be circumcised' I would have to agree with you. What you went on and on and on about was how a LOT of Jewish people holds executive positions within the media industry (I never would deny this, either), but the fact is that you make yourself sound like a conspiracy theorist who wears an aluminum hat that actually hates Jewish people.
TaeGaruma34 1 year ago
@russmckinley I said you sounded like an anti-semite, and I stand by that. How does saying the same thing without any ground make me the ignorant one? You're scum
TaeGaruma34 1 year ago
@russmckinley lol what the fuck buddy? who said that I hate people who are from the middle east? that's right, you did. wor, fuck off
TaeGaruma34 1 year ago
@russmckinley stop talking. You don't make any sense and you don't have any points. Now you really do sound like an anti-semitic. If you critique the religion or critique the media censorship or manipulation due to theological influence, by all means do it. But to be honest you seem like a crackpot who'll accept any conspiracy theory out there. You're just a walking, talking bag of nonesense
TaeGaruma34 1 year ago
@russmckinley what? I never said that anti-semite isn't a label that is misused or abused. I just made the distinction between hating people and hating an idea. what do you think is offending me? ad-hominid attacks basically negate your argument, and that's why I find this conversation useless. To quote the mighty Hitch, "What are you talking about, my good sir?" Call me a 'useless fucking person' again, but do it without a keyboard. Fuck. Some people's children these days
TaeGaruma34 1 year ago
@russmckinley your use of ad-hominid attacks makes this my last comment. Jews own 90% of the american media, and that's why you haven't heard a word... great point. Christianity says that rocks should be thrown at heathens, but like the 'beast' idea that you brought up, problems should be dealt with when they arise. confront the jews who infringe on human rights and leave it, duh. it's really revealing when you call me kiddo and say things that bolster your own intelligence.
TaeGaruma34 1 year ago
@russmckinley sure, call it anti-judaism. The fact that you've never heard it only means that there isn't a holy war being raged by Jewish people and thus no one is afraid of the religion. why don't you think about it????
TaeGaruma34 1 year ago
@russmckinley No, because anti-semitism is prejudice against jews (the people, not the religion). Islamophobia is the fear of the religion of Islam and of the consequences of such a retarding world view (just as one can be afraid of any negative impact of Judaism).
TaeGaruma34 1 year ago
@russmckinley
Precisely, hence the difference between anti-semitism and Islamophobia (which sounds worse than it is). Just to clarify my position, hating people because of their religion is distinct from hating the religion itself. Islamophobia is an example of the latter, anti-semitism is an example of a combination of the former and racism. People who hate the Islamic or Jewish religions are not racists, people who hate Muslims and Jews can't be called "racists", but they're the equivalent.
towneslives 1 year ago
@russmckinley
Anti-semitism isn't about the religion, it's hatred of the Jewish race/ ethnic group - there's a reason it's not called "anti-Judaism". "Semitic" used to refer to the languages of that name, now it usually refers more specifically to the Jewish people. Hating Arabs would be more similar. Hating Judaism or hating Islam is fine - and by extension ridiculing them is fine. Religions are world-views.There's a difference between hating a world-view and hating people for their ethnicity.
towneslives 1 year ago
Who the hell is the dumb moron at the very end? Seriously?
pauldec10 1 year ago
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Obscurantist/plagiarist/historical revisionist Christopher (bearer of Christ) Hitchens supports the eugenic policies of the modern-day Western World: carbon taxes (which'll double the price of grain); abortion (infanticide/genocide); endless warfare (as Orwell had warned in "1984"); confiscatory taxation; Zero Population Growth; "atheism"/Darwinism (the denigration of personhood/self-sovereignty) & internationalism (planetary govt.). If anyone is then surely: he's deserving of deportation.
AsEasyAsEasyIs 1 year ago
@AsEasyAsEasyIs "abortion (infanticide/genocide)" ACTUALLY Christopher hitchens is pro-life. You don't sound like you have ever heard or read anything about hitchens at all. How is he a revisionist historian? ""atheism"/Darwinism (the denigration of personhood/self-sovereignty)" He doesn't believe in social darwinism, and neither did Charles Darwin. Social darwinism is NOT darwinism. Anyone who thinks so knows nothing of history
tharklark 10 months ago 4
Christopher Hitchens, on T.V. & in his books, promotes empire-building. He champions the facilitating of U.N. expeditionary forces, on the Thomas Woodrow Wilson's war model of 1918, to police the globe. Hitchens is anti-Republic, anti-free speech. He yearns for a world mirroring Orwell's opus "1984" whereat the State controls the flow of information. Non-readers are oblivious to the hatchet job Hitch did on Thomas Jefferson.
AsEasyAsEasyIs 10 months ago
@AsEasyAsEasyIs
What video did you watch?
dudesonman4200 10 months ago 5
@AsEasyAsEasyIs lol stfu you troll
ridonculous34 8 months ago
Degenerated dipsomaniac Hitchens promotes the Rockefeller-Kissinger model of American-Anglican empire that will last into the 22nd century. It is a modernist/corporatist feudal system, with elements of mercantilism, designed to destroy federalism, and the free market economies they beget, planetarily.
AsEasyAsEasyIs 10 months ago
Who the Hell was the nigger at the end! LOL
iMaDeMoN2012 1 year ago
Great speech. Top stuff Hitch!
mcm1345 1 year ago 16
The two dislikes don't believe in free speech? Lol.
sloranger88 1 year ago 3
I hope that dude at the end had more to say and that the cut off just took him way out of context. Being that this aired in Canada, however I doubt it.
DXP6 1 year ago
"Stay cool Canada!" hahahaha
marredsun 1 year ago 3
This is perfection.
Armand1694 1 year ago
whos that black guy at the end? was this on a tv show?
daemonowner 1 year ago
Brilliant and transcendent lucidity. I wish more people spoke like this.
alolfan1 1 year ago 35
@alolfan1 I suspect that more have the capacity than the bravery to use it.
JiubLink 1 year ago
"proud of defending him" That´s sooooooooooooooooo foolish as to be hardly worth replying to, you just heard Hitch´s reasons, or were you so deaf blind and stupid as not to hear?
yatter1 1 year ago
@thegreatestbak3
You foolish man. The Koran may be ridiculous but you have the arrogance to impugn the The Bible? It's the distilled word of Almighty God, and is a beacon of moral guidance and righteousness in a world of wickedness and sin.
...Just kidding, they're all retarded.
Iambecome 1 year ago 4
@Iambecome you twat, you had me going there for a moment ha ha ha ha
yatter1 1 year ago
One of if not the best speech I've heard him make, he was in the zone on this one. The flow was almost musical; I'd love to acquire a similar mastery with words but the sad truth is I'm about 20,000 books behind him. The mans paid his dues by reading more books than I've had big macs (I eat a lot of Big Macs) and has earned all the praise that comes his way. Bravo to Chrostopher and here's hoping he has plenty more rants of this quality in him yet
LeBigMacDaddy 1 year ago
This is the best lecture I have heard is a very long time. Hitchens at his best!
johndifull 1 year ago 3
This is the best defense of free speech and best attack on moral relativism I've ever heard. Hitchens is my hero.
turbozed 1 year ago
One of his best performances. Hands down.
wormdrink414 1 year ago
When a Muslim says to kill an infidel, should this be banned?
The free speech restricter says no.
When I says the book that says to kill infidels has immoral preachings, should my speech be banned?
They will say yes.
HOW FUCKED UP IS THAT
schadworld1 1 year ago
"Ridicule, hatred, and comtempt" for religion= hate speech. He is being true to his bolshevik ties.
bantumwt 2 years ago
I don't understand your point. The topic upon which he was commenting was:
Be It Resolved: Freedom of Speech Includes the Freedom to Hate.
kryptoknightmare 2 years ago
I am not saying that he doesn't have the right to say what he has to say, but I am saying that he is most definitely a hatemonger and given that rights must be balanced with responsibility and accountability, he must accept any consequences that are a result of his remarks. Trotsky and Lenin, his stated mentors, were responsible for the most massive violations of free speech rights and human rights in history. Religious speech is also free speech.
bantumwt 2 years ago
@bantumwt Have you ever even entered a classroom?
PinataMan 1 year ago
@PinataMan The man is a flaming anti-religious bigot who is much more blather and bigotry than reason.
bantumwt 1 year ago
@PinataMan The world has already the kind of free speech spoken of by the bolsheviks. Hitchens is an actual trotskyite/bolshevik, and a great admirer of Lenin. That speaks volumes to me about his "free speech". Very dangerous man.
bantumwt 1 year ago
@bantumwt As far as I am aware, that's not actually true, anymore, and hasn't been for many years.
You appear to be making the "Glenn Beck argument", which is that, if you admire or agree with any part of an ideology or belief that can be linked, no matter whether it logically follows from it, to human misery or death, you are therefore somehow implicated in that.
That's obvious nonsense. And if it were true, not one person would be free of implication, including yourself.
FunkyJogaBonito 1 year ago
@FunkyJogaBonito He still admits his ties to Trotsky, whom many consider to be the first neocon and he calls himself a Marxist and a great admirer of Lenin. That pretty much seals it for me. The man is dangerous to anyone who values freedom.
bantumwt 1 year ago
@bantumwt But again, unless you can show that he actually supports oppression, you really don't have an argument.
I completely disagree with his stance on certain strains of Islam, but at least I've taken the time to understand his far more nuanced position than some would give him credit for.
It is a statistical certainty that you also believe some of the things that Trotsky and Lenin did, and also a large proportion of Marxism (however defined), so you need much more than that.
FunkyJogaBonito 1 year ago
@FunkyJogaBonito Actually when someone calls for "ridicule, hatred, and contempt to be shown for religion " and they have his credentials - that pretty much says it all. Hate speech is hate speech. If it was some nazi sayng such things it would be no different. The bolsheviks were responsible for many times the atrocities of the nazis.
bantumwt 1 year ago
@bantumwt Any idea, and particularly one that is often as superficial and intolerant as certain aspects of religion, can be treated with ridicule and even contempt, in certain circumstances, but I would agree that "hatred" is going too far, although context is important.
There's nothing contradictory about criticism (and even contempt) of a belief and also respecting the rights and dignity of those who accept that belief. That's an important distinction, in my opinion.
FunkyJogaBonito 1 year ago
@FunkyJogaBonito Let me make my position clear - There has never been a more deadly group of people in all of human history than the bolsheviks. An estimated 130 million dead during the 20th century. A primary target for them was religion and the religious. So when someone is slamming religion and claiming to be a Marxist and a Leninist - it's time to take notice. Never again.
bantumwt 1 year ago
@FunkyJogaBonito I certainly do not agree with everything about religion or specific religions BUT the problem is not religion, the problem is extremism, which includes religious people, atheists, and anyone else holding extremist views. The problem is people. Hitchens has a personal axe to grind against religion and that is offensive and bigoted.
bantumwt 1 year ago
@bantumwt "I certainly do not agree with everything about religion or specific religions BUT the problem is not religion, the problem is extremism..."
The problem is extremism?
What word is synonymous with extremism?
Fundamentalism.
Anyone will with a grain of wit will understand my point. Faith is rotten at its very core, which is why the least fanatical of the religious are those who adhere most tenuously.
TheYellowTelevision 1 year ago
@TheYellowTelevision Well if that's the case then then the 130 million killed by atheists in the 20th century must have been killed by fundie atheists, I guess.
bantumwt 1 year ago
@bantumwt Many consider Trotsky to be the first neocon?? Just when you thought you had heard it all before. Anyone who thinks such nonsense obviously has NO understanding of the definition of the word conservative. Hitchens is also a great admirer of Dr Johnson, GK Chesterton et al does that make him a fully paid up member of their club too going by your fatuous logic? Your argument appears to be merely the spewing of McCarthyist propaganda rather than tackling the points Hitchens makes.
CosmosLoyal 1 year ago
@CosmosLoyal I think you need to brush up on your history a bit. American neo-conservatism not conservatism (there is a difference) can very much be traced to trotskyism - especially regarding support for militarism in the Middle East. The link runs through Shachtman. As far as Hitchens goes he is/was an avowed Trotskyite and marxist/leninist. far more committed than simple admiration.
bantumwt 1 year ago
@bantumwt : Hitchens has himself pointed out on CNN that he is not a conservative.
shystylzyt 1 year ago
@shystylzyt I never claimed he was a conservative, but his stand on certain policies such as militarism in the Mid East and some economic policies are identical to those of the neoconservatives. He is leftist on most other things. There is a difference between the neocons and conservatives. Neocons are generally globalists. Conservatives tend to be more nationalist.
bantumwt 1 year ago
@bantumwt I was corroborating your point. Neocons are not conservatives. They are mainly pro-interventionist liberals and center-liberals. Worldwide democracy enforcement has little to do with conservatism.
shystylzyt 1 year ago 3
@bantumwt CH opposes fascism which aligns him with neo-cons of the noughties, unfortunately and sadly liberals never did.
uhila24 1 year ago
@spe4kfr34ly
The average joe US citizen could give 2 squirts of shit about Islam and arabic people. We do not hear of Muslim humanitarism because body counts of terrorists that are muslims take the headlines.
If you are muslim and not a terroists, than join the fucking fight against them or shut the fuck up No one cares about you if you are not part of the problem.
Xamaza 2 years ago 2
brilliant
Bluelincolnpark 2 years ago
@spe4kfr34ly The reason why you are so dumb, is because he is just as critical of christianity, so how are you even making a point here.
seppomuppit 2 years ago 4
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tomthefunky 2 years ago 12
I think he says "our adrenaline glands are too big and our thumb-finger opposition isn't all that it might be" as opposed to the testosterone comment.
Mike3303 2 years ago
@tomthefunky the adrenaline gland is what he refers to, not testosterone levels. I hardly think a testosterone fuelled mammal like Hitch would decry the androgen steroid hormone that gives him the fire in his belly. So to speak.
LondonPride25 11 months ago
@tomthefunky You said testosterone when he said adrenal glands. MISOGYNIST! You MUST be SILENCED! You and your 12 thumbs-up disciples.
wollygoggles 11 months ago
Can everyone please stop mindlessly thumbing down or up comments? I strongly agree with Hitchens on a lot (probably most) of issues, but there is no need to thumb down the "AlexGoldhill" comments below me. The point of the thumb down is to control profane users.
The second you downthumb something just because it goes against wat Hitchens says makes you no better than the theists blindly following their faith. Try writing a response instead.
DesertFox111 2 years ago
DesertFox - You've heard of Occam's Razor?
CarlChapmanSr 2 years ago
yes. Essentially it holds that the simplest explanation is usually the better one.
DesertFox111 2 years ago
Whilst I agree with a lot of the things that Mr Hitchens has said, I respectfully disagree with his claim that the main source of hatred is religion. like virtually all human concepts, religion is often used as an excuse to hate someone, with the actual cause being a variety of other things, such as; politics, greed, irrational hatred or nationalism to name a few. Whilst there have been occasions where the cause was religion i.e. The Crusades, there have also been other factors that contribute
AlexGoldhill 2 years ago
Such as the land that the various nobles and soldiers could gain, the fact that such a war would be able to unite and synergise the nation, premptivley striking a rival power and removing a rival to papal authority (which was as much polkitical as it was religious at the time)
Some of you may disagree with this, but as the internet is a place of free speech you are entitled to say so, just don't expect me to take it lying down
AlexGoldhill 2 years ago
As long as I live, I don't think I'll ever understand how fully grown adults can be taken in by a "holy" book so supremely, stunningly retarded and morally poisonous as the koran. Wake the fuck up. Break out of your trance.
Iambecome 2 years ago 38
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AlexGoldhill 2 years ago
Humans are irrational. Thye very essences of our societies are essentially figments of our imagination, i.e. nations, laws, moralityh, honour, justice and any other human concept you can name. This is not entierly a bad thing. All of our inovations and ideas come from this imagination, and I have chosen to see humans living in a dream world as a positive thing. Religion is just the tip of the iceburg.
AlexGoldhill 2 years ago
@Iambecome but why limit this to koran?
berrylict 1 year ago
Did the guy at the end even listen to the man's speech? He wasn't defending the position of denying the holocaust. He was defending the right of an individual having to express controversial views.
thunderflash82 2 years ago
Well, because it's cut off you can't tell whether the guy understood that or not.
He is right, Hitchens was, at this point, proud to defend David Irving (though their relationship has cooled somewhat since then), which is tantamount to defending the right to deny the holocaust.
And there's nothing wrong with that in my opinion, and this guy may not think there's anything wrong with it either.
DaveAllenDaveAllen 2 years ago
Descartes - "I disagree with what you have to say but I will fight to the death your right to say it."
thunderflash82 2 years ago
Voltaire, surely.
DaveAllenDaveAllen 2 years ago
Sorry, you're right! Voltaire. I got my French philosophers confused.
thunderflash82 2 years ago
Voltaire
th3magicnumber 2 years ago
pretty ironic that people are giving thumbs down to comments on a video about the benefits of free speech. Sure, you have the right to judge others comments, but i'd say a reply is more productive then trying to eradicate the comment
Camus286 3 years ago 11
It's even more ironic that your passing judgment on an individuals method of selection, of comments they may or may not agree with. When clearly chrissy hitch expresses his distaste for the materials.
Capeezy666 2 years ago
so i'm clear, what do you mean when you say the materials?
Camus286 2 years ago
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If paedophiles have been molested in their childhood will and can never give them the right to molest others children.if germans gassed 6 million(true or not) does not give israelis to shoot arab babies in skull.got it jew boy.
yahwehdirtydog 3 years ago
The guy at the end is an idiot.
kaisessh93 3 years ago 28
@kaisessh93 Seriously. What the fuck was that anyway.
xn117 1 year ago
@kaisessh93 the semi-literate language (the fatuous "...hitchens is proud of defending...") he chooses is enough to agree.
berrylict 1 year ago
whoa good speech very brave to say it i am not stating i agree or dissagree but i hope hes safe
enemoj 3 years ago 2
The guy at the end is a complete tool. Thanks, but we're smart enough to not need your benighted play-by-play of Hitchens' speech.
Jackinthehizzle 3 years ago 14
This man is wonderful, he speaks so much sense and gives me so much inspiration to stand up for what I believe in and not to be scared of others when I speak my mind.
xxx
rollingdogchick 4 years ago 8
"defending the holocaust denier", that's just stupid, it's about freedom of fucking speech, not the fucking holocaust.
helgihg 4 years ago 4
Yea man, the guy in the end is WAY OFF. Some people just can't understand Hitchens however much they try, but thankfully they are all ridiculed in debates when literate and intelligent people laugh their asses off at his comments. Stay cool, Hitchens!
wubbe 4 years ago 4
Did God dictate it in English? In Latin? In Greek?
Unless you can understand the nuances of classical Hebrew and Aramaic, you are saying you know better than your God by assigning to him a translation into idiot-speech for the lovers of Monster Trucks.
And no one believes it was dictated to Moses; it's a ridiculous idea. "Good morning, Moses. Now, where did we leave off?"
kennypark 4 years ago
LMAO. Well put.
OneBigRetard 3 years ago
Yorkophobe! Call the hate speech police!
TheBannedAtheist 4 years ago 5
Who's that douchebag at the end there?
johnclavis 4 years ago 5
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Are you two idiots lovers?
Your either lovers or one in the same person, you have risen to your intellectual apex by "meeming" the word, "moron".
Guys like you are the reason dick heads like Hitchens are around, his audience is as bad, if not worse, than Hitchens himself.
1L0V3C1IT 4 years ago
O.K skatebawd&Neuwo
On April 25, 2003, The Daily Telegraph and The Monitor ran a story about documents obtained in Iraq that alleged Saddam Hussein's regime had paid a British member of Parliament, George Galloway, $10 million
over 11 years to promote its interests in the West.
1L0V3C1IT 4 years ago
An "extensive Monitor investigation" has subsequently
determined that the six papers detailed in the April 25
piece are, in fact, almost certainly forgeries.
The Arabic text of the papers is inconsistent with known examples of Baghdad bureaucratic writing, and is replete with problematic language, says a "leading US-based expert"
on Iraqi government documents. Signature lines and other format elements differ from genuine procedure.
1L0V3C1IT 4 years ago
The two "oldest" documents - dated 1992 and 1993 - were actually written within the past few months, according to a
chemical analysis of their ink.
The newest document - dated 2003 - appears to have been written at approximately the same time.
1L0V3C1IT 4 years ago
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Hitchens is a drunken idiot, one year he loves Islam and the next he's trying to tear it apart,watch- " ?v=INy2ysHhgYM " ( you tube)he is ripped up for shit roll by the best orator in the business, George Galloway, the British government tried to falsify documents they claimed to find in Iraq's ministry of information for which he had to rip up the U.S senate committee
1L0V3C1IT 4 years ago
No.
The documents are real. Check your facts please.
NorthernStorm8 4 years ago
No.
The documents are not real. Check your facts please.
1L0V3C1IT 4 years ago
you are a fucking moron. check the facts
skatebawd 4 years ago
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No.
1L0V3C1IT 4 years ago
You're a moron, the documents are indeed real. Stop reading just the 'sinister' side of everything. Open your mind, drop your dogma, and REASON your way through life.
Neuwo 4 years ago 2
reason this, if the documents were real, Galloway would be sitting in
"Full Sutton, Wormwood Scrubs " or any other jail you wish to name in England, since he is not, and has had public apologies from both the
Daily Telegraph and the Monitor, it would be reasonable to say, the documents
were, indeed, false
1L0V3C1IT 4 years ago
"Trying to destroy Islam?" Are you telling us you are opposed to criticism of organized religion?
That Hitchens, a former trotskyite and life-long critic of organized religion has ever "loved islam", is absurd and a blatant lie. Bring your proof or retract your false statement.
shystylzyt 4 years ago
Hitchens has been on the subject of religion since anyone would listen to him, as the FOX news network would say, he has "flip-flopped" many times on Palestinian-Jewish arguements over the years.
1L0V3C1IT 4 years ago
" he has "flip-flopped" many times on Palestinian-Jewish arguements over the years."
Your bold claim was about islam, not politics. Prove your false claim of Hitch "loving islam" or be permanently exposed as the lying ignoramus that you are.
shystylzyt 4 years ago
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do do you you repeat repeat what what people people say say when when you you speak speak in in real real time?? time??
that would burst my nut you muppet
i know what has happened here, you've read the statement and turned into something that it never was...
sorry mate you really must have confused me for someone who actually gives a fuck.
1L0V3C1IT 4 years ago
So: Zero evidence to back up your claim. All bluster, no substance. As expected.
"sorry mate you really must have confused me for someone who actually gives a fuck."
True. You obviously dont care about things like truth. I promise not to take you so seriously next time.
shystylzyt 4 years ago
A verbal marathon of free speech!! Glad I heard.
popred1 4 years ago 2
This man is fantastic.
stinkypoon 4 years ago
Key topic: 2:55 and onwards.
Key statement: "Not all monotheisms are exactly the same at the moment".
Key question: "Who is the one under threat?"
This is where most atheists and leftists chicken out and drop the ball. This is what separates the sheeple from the thinkers.
shystylzyt 4 years ago
Yes, Hitchens is rare. A rare thinker in a dogmatic, polarized soundbite-world. One of few honest enough to condemn both Jerry Falwell and Islam. Sad that we should be surprised when someone goes after Clinton and Mother Teresa while attacking muslim radicals. We need more people brave enough to think outside their little mental prisons and be intellectually honest. If freedom of speech doesn't include those we disagree with, it's worthless.
shystylzyt 4 years ago
Man, this guy is great.
TRUTH!
Such a relief to hear someone with a "name" uttering it, even when it is terrible.
blackacidlizzard 4 years ago