Fun fact: embryonic stem cells, i.e., the cells which all our adult tissues develop from, are pretty much just like cancerous cells: undifferentiated and constantly dividing. Evidenced by things such as teratona (strange cancer of the gonads which literally can cause balls to grow teeth) and the gene expressions in cancer cells which are somewhat similar to those in totipotent cells.
Uh, Homo sapiens doesn't need to render itself extinct in order to be sustainable. We just need to get off our oil addiction and realize that capitalism is crap. Growth for its own sake is the epitome of stupidity. Recommended reads are Annie Leonard's "The Story of Stuff" book and RationalWiki's article on the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement.
The only thing thought provoking was the idea "what's the point of anything existing if there aren't cancer cells there to appreciate it", or at least that's how I would have phrased it. Zooming out on the patient to show her dog tag saying Gaia was completely excessive and obnoxious. You fail in the concept of clever, subtle satire. You might have also had some cells obsessed with acquiring wealth and had one of them bragging about having a net worth of 1.3*10^-5 dollar.
My advice to White people would be to procreate without any guilt due to our demographic situation and due to the fact that we will be overwhelmed by lower-IQ races. Whites are being slaughtered by Blacks in South Africa and Zimbabwe. Third-world overpopulation can be stopped by working with the governments there to provides incentives for the people to stop breeding.
@PingasMyBoy if whites have a higher IQ on average than other races, it's only because Jews are bringing the average up, so suck on that idea until your brain implodes, you nazi. And besides, even if it is true on average that race is not completely independent of intelligence, that doesn't mean whites should breed like mad solely because of whiteness: if only people with IQs over 140 were allowed to breed, that would exclude almost all whites - and it would not overwhelmingly exclude any race.
White (European) people (8% of human population) are already experiencing population decline of 40% every generation and experiencing massive non-white immigration and massive non-white birth rates. The races of man are not equal. They differ in average intelligence among other things. Good books on the subject are "The Bell Curve," "Race, Evolution, and Behavior," and "Why Race Matters." VHEMT is omitting these facts and only promoting voluntary human extinction in White (high IQ) populations.
Please consider that reductionistic psychometrics is a pseudoscience developed by intellectually arrogant people wanting a proper education in epistemology, philosophy of science and the actual workings and facts of human intelligence and awareness. Intelligence is an ever changing, complex reality. Even early proponents of IQ measurements thought of IQ scoring as a heuristic method to address other problems.
Have a look at wikipedia article on Iq, paragraph "Criticism and views"
If we find a way to cure cancer, then millions of people will live longer. They will use more resources. They will have to compete with others for food. So we need to make a choice: either have a bunch of kids and live to be 70 years old, or have no kids and live to be 110. No one is making the choice for us. That's just the way it works in a closed system.
Perhaps nature invented death as a way to regulate life on this planet.
Apparently, you didn't read or consider what I wrote. I mentioned nothing about global warming.
Before the fossil fuel age there were less than two billion people on the planet. Because of cheap energy, we have 6.5 billion people here now. Modern industrial food production is based on fossil fuel inputs. It takes 9 calories of energy to produce 1 calorie of food. Any animal that uses more energy to gather food than it actually gets from that food will eventually die. (con't)
"over population" isn't about "running out of space", it's about the eventual lack of resources. It's not "fake". I'm not saying you actually have to take heed, but don't go around spouting falsehoods.
So if you find out you or you mother are suffering with cancer you must accept your/her destiny and die, don't try any teatment, just die, because if you live longer the "resources of this planet will extinguish".
Well, but I change my mind, because 99% of this world's population are stupid just like you, so it's not really a problem if people die.
I'm not saying we shouldn't treat disease. But if we are going to increase the human lifespan, we need to realize that there are consequences for doing so.
And, as a matter of fact, my mother did die of cancer. And so did her mother.
If the only argument you can add to the debate is that almost everyone on the planet is "stupid", then the debate is over.
Perhaps endofsuburbia and friends invented various false theories based on the handy falsehood of a "closed system" as a way to annihilate "unfit" human life on this "planet."
Open or closed, you can't bring in enough energy to support 9 billion people on this planet while fossil fuels go into decline, especially if they all want to live the way people in North America do.
And by the way, I never wrote anything about annihilating the "unfit". It won't be up to us. Nature bats last.
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sixbillionmorons: "People absolutely MUST be denied the right..."
Come into my bedroom and try, then say hello to a couple 9mm slugs. We MUST eliminate such morons as you from this sorry planet. (Or you can play real nice like. Capiche?)
No, Trampaz, you're wrong: Picture yourself locked in your home, with no drains going out of the house and no supplies going in. I ASSURE you, you CAN produce too much crap for your own survival and that of anyone who happens to be living with you in a finite environment. The more people in the house, the faster it happens. People absolutely MUST be denied the right to "have as many kids as they want." Their decision affects the wellbeing of everyone else on the planet.
Eventually there will be more people than oxygen we have to breathe. Over population never has been about "running out of space", but instead about "running out of resources" such as water, food, and oxygen. We cannot "make more water" or "make more oxygen" on demand.
@goescrunchxxx before someone else does I thought I'd say nature has ways of producing oxygen, but yeah the more we pave over nature the less breathable our air will be
it's a cycle and the less balanced it is the worse off we are in the long term
so yeah, every resource we have is exhaustible if we use it too quickly, everything.
Do you think anyone who watches this ever actually thinks about it afterwards and maybe decides that having children really might be an indescribably irresponsible thing to do?
You cannot deny people the right to have children, or have as many children as they want. What we have to abandon are these euphemistic and bullshit ideas such as "save the planet", and actually start being a little bit honest about the real problems we face. Such as HUMAN extinction. No matter how much plastic or crap we produce, the planet will find a way to incorporate it into it's system, only we'll be left out of the equation, 'cause we were too fucking stupid as a species.
The point is not to deny having a child. If someone is so driven to care for kids they can always adopt. The point is to not mindlessly destroy our planet and be conscious of the huge impact having children has on our resources. Human extinction will be directly correlated to our population growth and what level is actually sustainable.
Fun fact: embryonic stem cells, i.e., the cells which all our adult tissues develop from, are pretty much just like cancerous cells: undifferentiated and constantly dividing. Evidenced by things such as teratona (strange cancer of the gonads which literally can cause balls to grow teeth) and the gene expressions in cancer cells which are somewhat similar to those in totipotent cells.
TheHeidelbergKid 1 week ago
Uh, Homo sapiens doesn't need to render itself extinct in order to be sustainable. We just need to get off our oil addiction and realize that capitalism is crap. Growth for its own sake is the epitome of stupidity. Recommended reads are Annie Leonard's "The Story of Stuff" book and RationalWiki's article on the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement.
TheHeidelbergKid 1 week ago
Humanity is the disease. Global warming is the solution. (suicidal big sigh goes here).
cupjay 3 months ago
The only thing thought provoking was the idea "what's the point of anything existing if there aren't cancer cells there to appreciate it", or at least that's how I would have phrased it. Zooming out on the patient to show her dog tag saying Gaia was completely excessive and obnoxious. You fail in the concept of clever, subtle satire. You might have also had some cells obsessed with acquiring wealth and had one of them bragging about having a net worth of 1.3*10^-5 dollar.
medexamtoolsdotcom 5 months ago
Who sponsored this, Planned Parenthood? Zero Population Growth?
Aircop2006 1 year ago
Very informative. This really illustrates a cancer patient's "unending battle from within" (physical sense).
QuoGirl 1 year ago
My advice to White people would be to procreate without any guilt due to our demographic situation and due to the fact that we will be overwhelmed by lower-IQ races. Whites are being slaughtered by Blacks in South Africa and Zimbabwe. Third-world overpopulation can be stopped by working with the governments there to provides incentives for the people to stop breeding.
PingasMyBoy 1 year ago
@PingasMyBoy if whites have a higher IQ on average than other races, it's only because Jews are bringing the average up, so suck on that idea until your brain implodes, you nazi. And besides, even if it is true on average that race is not completely independent of intelligence, that doesn't mean whites should breed like mad solely because of whiteness: if only people with IQs over 140 were allowed to breed, that would exclude almost all whites - and it would not overwhelmingly exclude any race.
medexamtoolsdotcom 5 months ago
White (European) people (8% of human population) are already experiencing population decline of 40% every generation and experiencing massive non-white immigration and massive non-white birth rates. The races of man are not equal. They differ in average intelligence among other things. Good books on the subject are "The Bell Curve," "Race, Evolution, and Behavior," and "Why Race Matters." VHEMT is omitting these facts and only promoting voluntary human extinction in White (high IQ) populations.
PingasMyBoy 1 year ago
@PingasMyBoy
Please consider that reductionistic psychometrics is a pseudoscience developed by intellectually arrogant people wanting a proper education in epistemology, philosophy of science and the actual workings and facts of human intelligence and awareness. Intelligence is an ever changing, complex reality. Even early proponents of IQ measurements thought of IQ scoring as a heuristic method to address other problems.
Have a look at wikipedia article on Iq, paragraph "Criticism and views"
mucusNoodles 1 year ago
Bravo! Yeah - sure - obvious and necessary and critical ecological-political point, but very funny at the same time!
duck24x 2 years ago 2
That was as subtle as a kick in the teeth.
FenchCJ 2 years ago 6
Very stirring...
PerianArdocyl 2 years ago
Love It!!! Thank you Nina!
d1a2r3c4 2 years ago
We must find a way to CURE cancer.
mrjag 3 years ago
If we find a way to cure cancer, then millions of people will live longer. They will use more resources. They will have to compete with others for food. So we need to make a choice: either have a bunch of kids and live to be 70 years old, or have no kids and live to be 110. No one is making the choice for us. That's just the way it works in a closed system.
Perhaps nature invented death as a way to regulate life on this planet.
endofsuburbia 2 years ago
That's insane! You people are truly sucked into this idea of over population. It's FAKE!! Global warming is FAKE!!
bluliite 2 years ago
Apparently, you didn't read or consider what I wrote. I mentioned nothing about global warming.
Before the fossil fuel age there were less than two billion people on the planet. Because of cheap energy, we have 6.5 billion people here now. Modern industrial food production is based on fossil fuel inputs. It takes 9 calories of energy to produce 1 calorie of food. Any animal that uses more energy to gather food than it actually gets from that food will eventually die. (con't)
endofsuburbia 2 years ago
What will happen to four out of six billion people as the available energy is depleted?
A whole lotta suffering, that's what.
This has nothing to do with climate change, although if climate change is happening, it will make the problem worse.
endofsuburbia 2 years ago
Over population is not REAL folks.
bluliite 2 years ago
Please provide details to back up your argument.
endofsuburbia 2 years ago
"over population" isn't about "running out of space", it's about the eventual lack of resources. It's not "fake". I'm not saying you actually have to take heed, but don't go around spouting falsehoods.
goescrunchxxx 2 years ago 2
So if you find out you or you mother are suffering with cancer you must accept your/her destiny and die, don't try any teatment, just die, because if you live longer the "resources of this planet will extinguish".
Well, but I change my mind, because 99% of this world's population are stupid just like you, so it's not really a problem if people die.
mrjag 2 years ago
Dying is part of life.
I'm not saying we shouldn't treat disease. But if we are going to increase the human lifespan, we need to realize that there are consequences for doing so.
And, as a matter of fact, my mother did die of cancer. And so did her mother.
If the only argument you can add to the debate is that almost everyone on the planet is "stupid", then the debate is over.
endofsuburbia 2 years ago
Yes, it was never a "debate" anyway. But sadly I'm right about the stupidity of the human species
mrjag 2 years ago
There is no such thing as a "closed system."
Perhaps endofsuburbia and friends invented various false theories based on the handy falsehood of a "closed system" as a way to annihilate "unfit" human life on this "planet."
archiekralj 2 years ago
Open or closed, you can't bring in enough energy to support 9 billion people on this planet while fossil fuels go into decline, especially if they all want to live the way people in North America do.
And by the way, I never wrote anything about annihilating the "unfit". It won't be up to us. Nature bats last.
endofsuburbia 2 years ago 3
This comment has received too many negative votes show
sixbillionmorons: "People absolutely MUST be denied the right..."
Come into my bedroom and try, then say hello to a couple 9mm slugs. We MUST eliminate such morons as you from this sorry planet. (Or you can play real nice like. Capiche?)
FutureCollapse 3 years ago
I simply cannot understand how some people aren't intelligent enough to see that no matter how you slice it, a single pizza won't satisfy 900 people.
sixbillionmorons 3 years ago 11
No, Trampaz, you're wrong: Picture yourself locked in your home, with no drains going out of the house and no supplies going in. I ASSURE you, you CAN produce too much crap for your own survival and that of anyone who happens to be living with you in a finite environment. The more people in the house, the faster it happens. People absolutely MUST be denied the right to "have as many kids as they want." Their decision affects the wellbeing of everyone else on the planet.
sixbillionmorons 3 years ago 12
The entire world population fit in Australia, and we must rebuild our society, system, and culture in a sustainable way to the environment AND people.
Not be denied the right to have many children.
I know whatever I say is of no use to you, but you're so WRONG.
mrjag 3 years ago
It's OK. When we run out of food, we all understand you are volunteering to starve first.
sixbillionmorons 3 years ago 2
Eventually there will be more people than oxygen we have to breathe. Over population never has been about "running out of space", but instead about "running out of resources" such as water, food, and oxygen. We cannot "make more water" or "make more oxygen" on demand.
goescrunchxxx 2 years ago
@goescrunchxxx before someone else does I thought I'd say nature has ways of producing oxygen, but yeah the more we pave over nature the less breathable our air will be
it's a cycle and the less balanced it is the worse off we are in the long term
so yeah, every resource we have is exhaustible if we use it too quickly, everything.
didn't want to leave that argument open x
Blambla72 1 year ago
very true, great work
korras21 3 years ago
Do you think anyone who watches this ever actually thinks about it afterwards and maybe decides that having children really might be an indescribably irresponsible thing to do?
sixbillionmorons 3 years ago 3
You cannot deny people the right to have children, or have as many children as they want. What we have to abandon are these euphemistic and bullshit ideas such as "save the planet", and actually start being a little bit honest about the real problems we face. Such as HUMAN extinction. No matter how much plastic or crap we produce, the planet will find a way to incorporate it into it's system, only we'll be left out of the equation, 'cause we were too fucking stupid as a species.
Trampaz 3 years ago
The point is not to deny having a child. If someone is so driven to care for kids they can always adopt. The point is to not mindlessly destroy our planet and be conscious of the huge impact having children has on our resources. Human extinction will be directly correlated to our population growth and what level is actually sustainable.
sylviemc3 3 years ago
Amazing work!
brianatyson 3 years ago
great
domestication 3 years ago
Hhahah very good!
Avatinfernus 3 years ago
sad
80s90shousemami76 3 years ago
Great vid! (love the name of the cancer 'host')
NLuser 4 years ago
There is so much to learn from this.
AdamHintz 4 years ago
Is this some kind of fucking joke??
webscorpion007 4 years ago
No, we are.
endofsuburbia 2 years ago
I had high hopes for this based on the description.
The key word..."had"
quitifa 4 years ago
WOW
FFA53191 4 years ago