What kind of people get turned on by watching defenseless animals being slaughtered?
A HUNTER at a canned pigeon shoot like this guy caught on video:
/watch?v=a1Qu12C-iZs
@NativePrairieWolf - .....or Wolfaboos watching Elk get Slaughtered by to many Wolves on You Tube . It's the Same menality just a different bunch of Idiots !!!! TheFreecoyote
"Lower 48 states now number about 2,600, with more than 2,000 of them estimated in Minnesota.
(Reprinted from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service)
Somehow that small number of wolves nationally is miraculously able to eliminate over 100,000 elk in a few years in MT alone, and deccimate all the MOOSE too elsewhere according to one hunter! He claims these HUGE losses down from about 160,000 elk in 2007 to: "Less than 4000 elk left with 6 calves per 100"
There are now approximately 300 red wolves in existence, about 80 of these animals in the wild. The remainder are part of captive breeding efforts at 36 facilities and three island propagation projects.
Gray wolves in the Lower 48 states now number about 2,600, with more than 2,000 of them estimated in Minn. Currently all wolves in the Lower 48 states, with the exception of gray wolves in Minn, are listed as endangered under the Endangered Species Act. Minnesota wolves are listed as threatened.
"The current estimate for the continental United States is about 5,000 gray wolves (Canis lupus). Genetic data suggest that the historic population in this area was roughly 400,000. Alaska's population is estimated between 7,700 and 11,200. The closely related red wolf (Canis rufus) is all but extinct."
(so much for the 10,000 production per 3 years claim)
@NativePrairieWolf - There are more Apex Predators in and around Yellowstone than have been for 12,000 years . There are more Wolves in Yellowstone per Million Acres than there are in Alaska .......don't take my word for it "DO THE MATH" ......AREA OF ALASKA DIVIDE BY 6-8 THOUSAND WOLVES. AREA OF YELLOWSTONE (2 MILLION ACRES) DIVIDED BY 3-4 THOUSAND WOLVES.........Duh !!!!
What kind of people get turned on by watching defenseless animals being slaughtered?
A HUNTER at a canned pigeon shoot like this guy caught on video:
/watch?v=a1Qu12C-iZs
@NativePrairieWolf - .....or Wolfaboos watching Elk get Slaughtered by to many Wolves on You Tube . It's the Same menality just a different bunch of Idiots !!!! TheFreecoyote
@NativePrairieWolf - .....or Wolfaboos watching Elk get Slaughtered by to many Wolves on You Tube . It's the Same menality just a different bunch of Idiots !!!!
You are looking at a DEATH Toll exceeding 200,000 Elk and that is a Death Toll that does not... I repeat does not include Elk Calves or Livestock or Moose or Coyotes or Bears or those that have died from being infected with Echinococcus Granulosus or Taenia Krabbei ( Moose Measles ).......all this Wildlife has been killed since 1995 !!!!! TheFreecoyote 1 sec ago
@Titehole200 - You are such a chicken , not a Wolf Poet at all , more of a Wolf Transgender , Broke Back variety who couldn't thump a belly let alone a Bible .....your thumper is to short . As for Americas Eco System that consists of a Super Market that drains the life blood of the ECOSYSTEM so that you can suck at its' TIT. You are what is Wrong with America !! Your Handle should be TiteHole- (negative) 200 Quadraplegic Super Market Tick . Bloated and Noted !
@Titehole200 - You are such a chicken , not a Wolf Poet at all , more of a Wolf Transgender , Broke Back variety who couldn't thump a belly let alone a Bible .....your thumper is to short . As for Americas Eco System that consists of a Super Market that drains the life blood of the ECOSYSTEM so that you can suck at its' TIT. You are what is Wrong with America !! Your Handle should be TiteHole- (negative) 200 Quadraplegic Super Market Tick . Bloated and Noted !
@Titehole200 - You are such a chicken , not a Wolf Poet at all , more of a Wolf Transgender , Broke Back variety who couldn't thump a belly let alone a Bible .....your thumper is to short . As for Americas Eco System that consists of a Super Market that drains the life blood of the ECOSYSTEM so that you can suck at its' TIT. You are what is Wrong with America !! Your Handle should be TiteHole- (negative) 200 Quadraplegic Super Market Tick . Bloated and Noted !
@highcountryhal Cow dog? Are you retarded? The moose are actually doing well. Inbreeding, overpopulated pigs like elk will kill them, though. Moose aren't even over-hunted by wolves, you idiot.
@highcountryhal The moose are not "almost gone" as you claim, and there are many cause for the declines of ungulates in YS park- all of which have been studied and published in books by the respected Adolph Murie and others who went out in the field and did the leg work and found poor range, dying trees and grasses eaten to the ground, ticks, diseases, starvation, infections of nose fly and the type and quanty of SNOWFALL as the major reasons for deaths.
@NativePrairieWolf He also found a number of deer, bighorns and other animals with broken legs and other injuries from FALLS as well as from being hit by automobiles.
Ticks can and do kill moose and other furred animals, and ticks tend to infest and breed rapidly.
Murie also found plenty of evidence the claimed "kills by coyotes" were of animals who were either on their last legs with severe infestations, disease, starvation or injuries, or were already DEAD, and carrion.
@NativePrairieWolf BS. The fella is a yellowstone biologist who is prowolf! Funny how the moose numbers never plummeted like this before the wolf was introduced. Guess we never had ticks, diseases, nose flys, etc. before they introduced the wolf......and its not just yellowstone. Its happening anywhere the wolves are now found. Moose just about gone in a lot of places now due to wolf predation.
@highcountryhal you dont even know WHO Murie is, he is NOT a YS pro wolf biologist he DIED years ago! he published his findings in books ( wolve sof isle royale) and in the bulletins such as "The ecology of the coyote in the yellowstone " published by the
UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE
WASHINGTON: 1940
He detailed POOR RANGE and habitat along with overgrazing- all of which and more are WORSE today not to mention habitat destruction, acid rain and climate change.
@NativePrairieWolf Then why bring him up if he died before the disaster of bringing wolves to yellowstone came to be? Another prowolfer grasping at straws...go to yellowstone. Nothing wrong with the habitat. In fact, since the fires of the early 90s, there is BETTER habitat for moose. 1940 and you bring this up in your argument?
@highcountryhal Wolves were always a part of what became yellowstone! I brought up murie to prove you have no clue on this- you didn't even know who he was b4 assuming he was a "pro wolf" YS biologist! the other was they were documenting elk, bighorn, deer and moose deaths back in the 1930s and WHY the herds were declining- proof it happens in a cycle. They concluded it was largely POOR WINTER RANGE, diseases, heavy CRUSTED SNOW, & parasites were the major contributing factors.
@NativePrairieWolf Hmmm, once again. 1995, 1200 moose, 2010, 114 left. They won't even count anymore.....Habitate is better, ticks and the rest have always been here....only thing that has changed is WOLVES.......They are doing the sayme thing to moose populations throughout our state where ever wolves have been found in any numbers.
@highcountryhal oh right, dream on, wolves have always been part of the ecosystem and they live JUST FINE with their prey in balance, go READ the book on the wolves of isle royale where wolves and moose LOVE TOGETHER on a closed island and guess what- the wolves DONT eat up all the moose! But then again theres NO HUNTING allowed there which otherwise WOULD have killed off the moose long ago for trophy hunting.
Isle Royale National Park—with its lush northern landscape, wolves, and moose—is an ideal laboratory for wildlife biologists. For nearly half a century it has been the site of a comprehensive study on wolves (2008 marks the 50th anniversary)—the world’s longest-running study on any wild animal.The Wolves of Isle Royale is author and wildlife biologist Rolf Peterson’s fascinating first-hand account of the relationship that exists between the wolf and the moose on the island.
Noted wildlife biologist Allen initially released this book in 1979. It is essentially his study of the coexistance among wolves, moose, and other creatures on an island (Isle Royal) in Lake Superior. In a natural occurrence, wolves crossed frozen waters to the isle in 1949. The predators' self-introduction acted as a check on the burgeoning moose population, which had been slowly starving due to inadequate food sources to support their numbers.
@NativePrairieWolf Sure, I read about it. Nice lab for wolves. To bad a few people cannot utilize that resource for hunting. A few folks whould probably like a moose in the freezer. It is still an island and does not resemble the problems that wolves are causing for us out west.
@highcountryhal WHERE did I imply Isle Royal is YS? I didnt, I showed you an extreme example of wolves AND moose living TOGETHER for decades on a closed ISLAND where neither can escape and no new animals can enter. Before the wolves came the moose were starving from OVERBROWSING/overpopulation. The moose recovered and the two species live TOGETHER, neither dying off or extincting the other.
1)Wolves eat the weak, old and dying and dead, not the 800# bulls who can kick their asses
2)The natural deaths of the moose is enough to support the wolf population but not so much the wolves overbreed- breeding/fertility is controlled by FOOD AVAILABILITY.
The isle's vegetation RECOVERED from the dismal overbrowsed condition it WAS, now supporting a healthy moose population AND a wolf population.
@NativePrairieWolf Problem with yellowstone is that elk and buffalo keep the wolf population high and apparently moose are much easier to kill than elk or buffalo. Might just be the mooses demist in the yellowstone ecosystem.
@highcountryhal - 65% of Wolves on Isle Royale are showing bone deformities from Inbreeding . Wolves on Isle are Timber Wolves not Canadian Greys , wolves on Isle hunt in pairs not packs and are 3-4 times smaller than Canadians . Taenia Tape worms are what killed the lions share of Moose in Yellowstone and Echinococous Granulosous. Neithe of which are found on Isle Royale !
@NativePrairieWolf - So now we jump to Isle Royael , where at this very moment the wolves are decimating the last of the Moose. the wolves on Isle are Timber Wolves not Canadian Greys , Timber wolves hunt in prs not packs . One thing that don't vary world wide is the Denial of Wolves weighing in excess of 180 pounds...... I've seen one he weighed 189 lbs and couldn't run .....all he could do was trot ! So you are going to find it difficult to disprove my Wolf !
"The livestock industry has long opposed large elk herds
cut down on the number of wintering elk to preserve forage for livestock
In short, elk conservation has been a long and difficult effort, obstructed constantly by the livestock industry, and achieved largely contrary to the demands of the livestock industry to keep elk numbers low
We could support a lot more elk in the Greater YS, not to mention bison, without livestock.
@highcountryhal why should the TAX PAYERS of this country continue footing the bill to SUBSIDIZE the livestock industry at all as we have for over 150 years, no other industry has gotten so much given to so few, for so little in return!
Go back to tax payer paid mass poisoning and killing of any and all wildlife deemed a "threat" to sheep or livestock- FEDERAL hunters killed millions, poison baits spread over the lands like grass sead by the FEDS for the DEADSTOCK industry
@NativePrairieWolf You should read into some of the aspects of what has occurred there....To much similiar genetics caused through inbreeding in wolves, lotta problems for sure.
Vt About 600 moose a year, on av, were “harvested” over the last 5 yrs, according the dept
Minn moose pop is in sharp decline, but the DNR says hunting is not the reason. State officials would like to ban the feeding of deer, a practice that concentrates deer and exposes moose to disease. Todays Question: Should Minn suspend moose hunting?
Tom Rusch, the DNR area wildlife mgr in Tower, said no clear answers explain why the moose pop is falling
@NativePrairieWolf Hunting by humans can be regulated. Wolf hunting moose cannot. How much money to wolves bring in for conservation issues? How many biologists, game wardens, etc. get paid because of wolves? Answer...NONE.
If passed, LD 291 will make an additional 657 moose permits available for this yrs hunt, If passed, that would bring the total of moose permits to a record 3,862 for this fall’s hunts."
You dont think HUNTERS slaughtering almost 4,000 moose a year are simply replaced like MAGIC in ONE year would you! nah that wouldnt reduce the numbers!!
In 2010, just 49,729 people the second-lowest total ever applied for the 3,140 available permits. The record low, 36,636, was set in the first year of the modern moose hunt, 1980. In 1994, a record high 94,532 applicants signed up for a chance to win one of 1,200 permits."
So where do YOU think those 94,000 applicants hopefull to murder a moose, WENT?---> ANOTHER STATE.
@NativePrairieWolf Another state? You obviously don't know crap about permits. I have applied for several permits for over 30 years and never got drawn. Every state has a permit system. I sure as heck am not going to pay the outrangeous fees to shoot a moose in another state. In other words, they allow only so many permits. Your wolves don't need a permit. They just kill, kill, kill.
@highcountryhal Oh yes I do, and you just provided another tidbit of info for me to use- THANKS!
It's clear the COST is your main concern, very good to know!
As far as the wolves go, nature doesnt need one, any more than a thunderstorm needs parade permit. Were it not for permits, laws and COST the moose would be extinct by now like many others such as a Quagga from OVERHUNTING.
@NativePrairieWolf Also, with Maine in 1994 having 94,000 applications for just 1,200 permits even if the permits were DOUBLED it wouldnt have mattered.
Just imagine how many moose would be left in Maine if those 94,000 idiots were all told to just go ahead and start hunting, no permit required.
@NativePrairieWolf First of all, the are not idiots. This is why hunting is regulated. How much money does that equate to for habitat, management, and enforcement? Wolves bring in nothing.
@highcountryhal the money is a SELF SERVING program designed to foster and create MORE animals to slaughter the following season, dont give me that BS about hunter's fees preserving habitat out of the goodness of their hearts! Its like a drug dealer paying a fee to preserve the forest where they grow their cocaine on, doing it for "nature's benefit."
Hunters, who target elk that leave YS park, have blamed the wolves. But researchers, including Vucetich, say the problem isn't that simple.
In an analysis in the current edition of the ecology journal Oikos, for example, Vucetich and park service colleagues examined weather, hunting and wolves as factors in the elk decline. Yellowstone has had seven years of drought and a severe winter in 1997 that killed many elk
They found that weather and hunting are mostly to blame.
@NativePrairieWolf That is an outright LIE. Wolves has cause the elk decline. Even most of the prowolf biogists say that. As far as hunting goes, their is very little hunting going on outside the park. Montana fish and game issued 100 cow tags for the area around gardner. It use to be 2,000 and less than 30 % of the tags were filled. Wolves are the reason for the elk delcine, period. As I stated, you cannot regulate elk numbers with wolves. Less than 4000 elk left with 6 calves per 100.
At the end of 2010, at least 97 wolves occupied Yellowstone National Park. This is nearly the same size population as in 2009 (96 wolves) and represents a stable population.
From MT fish and wildlife;
Q. How many wolves are in Montana? A. Federal officials estimated that 153 wolves in 40 packs.
@highcountryhal Prove it, back up your claim with published facts like I have., as of the end of 2010 there were an estimated 153 wolves in Mt State. Thats just too bad if you dont believe the published fact from that source, but then you claim you personally SAW and counted 19,000 elk so you are little more than a troll with no facts who pulls numbers out of his ass to support his claims.
"2007Biologists est that there are somewhere between 130,000 to 160,000 elk in the state"
@NativePrairieWolf - Prove it to YOURSELF ! Do the Math ! In 2000 there were 20,000 Elk in the N Herd , 19,500 in the S Herd and 15,000 Interior Elk , for a total of 54,500 Elk in and around Yellowstone , Today there are 700 Elk in the S Herd and less than a thousand in the N Herd and all the Interior Elk are Dead. By 2003 there were 10,000 Killed of the Northern Herd , by 2008 all the Interior Elk were Dead , by 2011 10,000 Elk were Dead......cont
@TheFreecoyote Thank you, Coyote. I hate to be negative with this crop of kid woofabos, but he is just to damm brainwashed to talk to. People who brainwashed this boy are the ones responsible for the demise of wildlife around yellowstone.
@highcountryhal - This Super Market Tic is just another Plastic Environmentalist stamped out of Styrene bought from China with money YOU and I make . Once they get on the Tit it's hard to remove them because they tell them in school that they know something.......but guess what ? They never tell them what that Something is and they teach them not to ask questions . Mindless, Spineless Minions !!!
It's certainly not occurring for a lack of elk Montana's elk herd is as large as it's been since the state was first settled.
-----> Biologists est that there are somewhere between ((( 130,000 to 160,000 elk in the state)))"
missoulian com
It doesnt MATTER what the stat's distribution IS- animals MOVE around, when one area becomes a poor feeder they MOVE to where the feed is BETTER, that doesnt mean there's a population crash!
@NativePrairieWolf .....cont If 10,000 Elk were destroyed in 3 yrs and a Wolf eats 22-25 Elk a year that gives you how many Wolves were in N Yellowstone. Now if you figure an additional 10,000 every three years ( because that's what they used to produce) that means by 2011 you have fed 90,000 Elk just out of the N Herd to wolves. This count does not include calves that never make it to snow. If you include the S Herd ( which USFWS never does or the Interior Elk Herd )..cont
@TheFreecoyote "additional 10,000 every three years because that's what they used to produce"
"USED TO" doesnt mean anything, this isnt the 1850s son- the west has ROADS, PRIVATE LANDS, CITIES, TOWNS, theres little of the vast wide open nomad wilderness there once WAS
still pulling #s out of your ass I see, wolves dont JUST eat elk any more than you JUST drink beer every day, they ALSO eat carrion- animals also DIE of natural causes and disease
@NativePrairieWolf - USED TO ! Does count ! That's how you are paid Social Security , that's how you are Taxed every year and USED TO have 200,000 Elk is why Idaho , Mont and Wyoming are Pissed at YOU and "USED TO" is why the Wolf is being Hunted Right Now . Alot of people USED TO have a Job ,try and Tell them that "Used To" doesn't count........"USED TO" applies only to you and other Wolfaboos " You Used To think Wolves were a good Idea....now you r just idiots !
@TheFreecoyote "Used to" in CONTEXT- ((FOCUS )) sweetie- "used to breed 10k every 3 years" does not apply to wolves TODAY- the land is no longer the WILD UNSETTLED UNTAMED WILDERNESS it was in the 1800s when massive herds of bison roamed free and you could build a house anywhere.
TODAY there's no room or way for massive roaming herds of bison or 10,000 wolves in one area- YS park is as close as it gets- HUMANS destroyed the wilderness and built cities and roads over it.
@NativePrairieWolf - FOCUS IN CONTEXT PLEASE!!!!--- 10k EVERY 3 YRS APPLYS TO ELK......NOT WOLVES ! Read slowly , you are not capable of Speed Reading ...... Yellowstone Park is not as close as it gets !!! Because what "Greenies" want doesn't exist anymore, if it ever actually did ! ( and I don't know who wrote this for YOU but have them pay closer attention next time )
@NativePrairieWolf ...cont You are looking at a DEATH Toll exceeding 200,000 Elk and that is a Death Toll that does not include Calves or Livestock or Moose or Coyotes or Bears or those that have died from being infected with Echinococuos Granulosus or Taenia Krabbei ( Moose Measles ).......all this Wildlife is gone since 1995 !!!!!
"Through last weekend, the 3 west-central MT check stations reported that 16,462 hunters had checked 474 elk Last yr at the same time, a few more hunters had bagged 526 elk Blame the lag on Mother Nature
It's certainly not occurring for a lack of elk Montana's elk herd is as large as it's been since the state was first settled. Biologists est that there are somewhere between 130,000 to 160,000 elk in the state"
"Through last weekend, the 3 west-central MT check stations reported that 16,462 hunters had checked 474 elk Last yr at the same time, a few more hunters had bagged 526 elk Blame the lag on Mother Nature
It's certainly not occurring for a lack of elk Montana's elk herd is as large as it's been since the state was first settled. Biologists est that there are somewhere between 130,000 to 160,000 elk in the state"
Before Lewis and Clark's epic journey, there were millions of the large ungulates in North America. Market hunting eliminated elk from the plains by the mid-1880s and decimated herd sizes in the mountain areas.
By 1910, elk numbers had dwindled to about 50,000 or less in all of North America. In Montana, the numbers dropped to nearly 3,000 in the entire state outside of Yellowstone Nat Pk"
Must have been the WOLVES huh? wolves with rifles & shotguns!
"At the end of 2010, the State of MT had a minimum of 566 wolves"
11/2007 missoulian:
"Biologists est that there are somewhere between 130,000 to 160,000 elk in the state"
>>>Market hunting<<< eliminated elk from the plains by the mid-1880s and decimated herd sizes in the mtn areas
By 1910, elk #s had dwindled to about 50,000 or less in all of North America. In Montana, the #s dropped to nearly 3,000 in the entire state outside of YS Nat Pk.
@NativePrairieWolf Right, but only in areas where wolves have not been found for more than 5 years.. They are hammering the elk populations in mountainous areas. West fork of bitterroot down 60%, Lolo herd, down 70% and these are areas where elk numbers are not overpopulated. This is hurting the economies of towns nearby.
@highcountryhal Well thats just too bad isn't it, you cant always get wild animals WHERE you want them- they are free to roam where they WANT to, fact is there are 130,000 to 160,000 elk in Mt state, that you dont have 25 in your backyard with bullseye targets on their sides during hunting season is just too bad for you!
"Along with elephants and tigers, poachers [hunters w/o permits] also roam. Poaching has contributed to reducing the worldwide tiger pop by 97%"
"Illegal wildlife trading is like water running downhill," Bennett said "You block it in one place and it will go somewhere else"
TIGERS now, just like the "market hunting" of elk that nearly decimated them- reduced to just 50K in all of N America by 1910! with just 3,000 in the state of Mt
@highcountryhal 'This is hurting the economies of towns nearby' good gawd, hunters slaughter enough to affect TOWN economines?? how many of these 700# animals do you think can replace themselves in a year?? if a town's whole dependency is on slaughtering wildlife then maybe that twon should dry up and blow away as a relic of the frontier days. Its outrageous to vest a town's economy on DEAD ANIMALS! good, go bankrupt and blow away then, good riddance!
@NativePrairieWolf No slaughter, regulated hunting and people PAY license fees. They pay to stay in motels, cabins, and the eat in cafes. Helps the economies of small towns alot. Very few actually bag elk or deer. . Their is no slaughter. In fact, they are very hard to find and shoot. We love it.
@NativePrairieWolf - If all 94,000 applications had been granted Maine would look like Yellowstone .......empty ......everything Dead ! I fail to see your point , Wolves in Yellowstpone = ZERO Moose , ZERO Elk with no hunters involved at all ???? What is your point ?
@TheFreecoyote YS is not "dead", moose may not be there in huge #s but other species DO- especially elk, bighorn sheep, deer, bison, bears, coyotes , wolves and many others.
zero elk eh? WRONGO, BZZZT;
"Elk are the most abundant large mammal found in Yellowstone; paleontological evidence confirms their continuous presence for at least 1,000 years.ore than 30,000 elk from 7-8 different herds summer in Yellowstone and approximately 15,000 to 22,000 winter in the park."(NPS.gov)
@NativePrairieWolf - Well all those Elk are Dead ! Call the USFWS in J Hole and ask how many Elk are on the Feed Ground right now ? My wifw as there yesterday and saw maybe 600 ..........where are the others ? We filmed 3,250 last year and 4200 the year befor that . Your numbers are correct 5 years ago I saw 17,000 in J Hole , there were 15,000 in YSP and 20,000 in Gardiner .....total 52,000 Elk , today less than 4,000 ! and Moose ? maybe 30 .....maybe !
@highcountryhal The only reason YOU care about elk is to KILL them during hunting season, you already admitted you are a hunter and that's what it's ALL about- the "game" animals you want increased and increased in a CONVIENIENT local location so it's more like a canned hunt that you can shoot at them practically your own porch.
@NativePrairieWolf - YOU're the one Killing Elk in case you hadn't Noticed and you are doing it without a license or seasons .......WTF is wrong with you are you challenged or something ??????
@TheFreecoyote Now he goes over the edge....lost the argument so he starts accusing. Typical wolf hugger....the truth hurts, don't it? Heck, you don't even understand the argument.
@NativePrairieWolf - ......and a Good Hunter am I , you've been masquerading as a Guy . That's interesting .....do you feel you will be taken more seriously f you pretend to be a Male ? You know Wolves have this same problem they are so timid that Alphas are able to make them Nanny their kids and keep Wolves like you from having children. That's the Reason I'm a Hunter and you are a Nanny !
@NativePrairieWolf Ha Ha, wolves only kill, kill, killl. No regulated seasons, and when they are finished, they go after domestic livestock! Go watch "Conclusions of the wolf Historical study" wolf boy. No BS there.
@highcountryhal That is what they are SUPPOSED to do idiot, they are predators- that's how they EAT, same as you murder animals to eat steaks, but you unlike wolves have a CHOICE to not eat meat but instead assume more normal co-existance with other animals on this planet that doesnt involve murder
Heres what HUNTING is really about- moron pleasuring himself in PUBLIC at a pigeon shoot,must have been real "exciting" kills
@highcountryhal domestic livestock is a joke, a manipulated, brains bred- out helpless bunch that couldnt find their way out of a dark shed if their lives depended on it, owned by fools who let them roam the countryside at will with no protections and then get pissed when something happens.
Mad cow disease and worse would be a GOOD thing to go around in a big way to kill off this disgusting bloody industry from the inside out and good riddance.
@NativePrairieWolf - You couldn't be more wrong ......and I can prove it . Wild Horses ?? Wild Horses left to their own go backwards on the Evolutionary Road . None of the great Horses of History came out of a herd of Wild Horses .Whether You believe in " Intelligent Design" or "Unintelligent Design" Man is the Balance of Nature ! No other creature understands Balance !
@TheFreecoyote Theres NO way you SAW 3,250, or 4,200 or 17,000 elk! Even Murie's study states there is extreme difficulty accurately counting wildlife by any methods- ALL they can do is tally an area or two at random and extrapolate the number across the total land area- you find 10 elk in a 10sq mi area and multiple that by the area and there's your bogus "count". If theres less than 4,000 now then too bad, thats natures way, nothing lasts forever, as the dinosaurs proved.
@NativePrairieWolf - The Elk are on the Feed Ground "Moron" watch " Why do you love Wolves" . You'll see that all you have to do is sit in the Wagon and count ! I'll send you the vid PM .......you can see that there are no calves and very few Bulls . I saw 19,000 3 years befor that (2003) . YOU ARE WRONG ......THE ELK ARE DEAD AND YOU KILLED THEM !
@TheFreecoyote "The problem of the big game species in Yellowstone is not one of predation, but of inadequate winter range, a problem shared by many districts throughout the Western States.( A Murie)
Theres NO WAY you sat there on your ass around the clock and personally COUNTED 19,000 elk- you are GUESSING- you saw a few hundred at best and extrapolated the numbers into a give area and multiplied it by that area.
@NativePrairieWolf - Are you really this Dumb or are you pretending ? The 19,000 Elk count was the count done by USFWS......not me ! I counted 17,000 (USFWS count)2008.....4,200 in 2009......3,200 2011.....so far this yr 700 . Now read this comment a couple of times then you won't look so stupid.....maybe !
@TheFreecoyote "The 19,000 Elk count was the count done by USFWS......not me !"
YOUR EXACT WORDS WERE , AND I QUOTE DIRECTLY:
"I saw 19,000 3 years befor that (2003) "
--> *YOU* said you saw, NOT the USFWS!
"My wifw as there yesterday and saw maybe 600"
"We filmed 3,250 last year and 4200 the year befor that"
NOW you are claiming the USFWS did the counting!! oh yeah, yet you claimed YOU filmed 4,200 elk, your story jumps more than a mexican jumping bean now and I'm done with you troll.
@NativePrairieWolf - I SAW ON THE FEED GROUND 19,000 ELK WHICH WERE COUNTED IN J HOLE ON THE FEED GROUND BY USFWS and that count was printed in the Newspaper J Hole Guide . All counts were printed in the Newspaper , as a matter of fact Google Jackson Hole Guide right now and see for yourself. I realize how uncomfortable this makes YOU ! That is alot of Dead Elk and all you have to show is contaminated Wolf Scat which is against the Law ! Do some home work , I'll be here !
@NativePrairieWolf - Watch our vdeo " Why do You love Wolves" it's on You Tube Rockholm Media ........YOU CAN SEE ALL THE ELK YOURSELF ! You don't have to extrapolate anything ......geeesh ! Can you even tie your shoes ????
@NativePrairieWolf - Which they were well aware of when they INTRODUCED THE NON-NATIVE CANADIAN GREY WOLF AND HIS PARASITES . All of which is a direct violation of the Lacey Act (see Lacey Act ).
@highcountryhal - NPW is a female .......not a guy ! If it's a Guy not a female we have a real confused situation !!! How can the truth be digested by anyone so conflicted ? Now I'm a good teacher but the student has to know WHAT they are befor they come to class ........hmmmmmm?????
@NativePrairieWolf COST is what pays for moose management. Provides jobs also. Moose are not extinct because moose permits provide moneys for moose studies, enforcement activities, and to transplant moose into new areas. The system is one of the greatest benefits to wildlife. I just can't afford to go to another state to shoot a moose. I have shot 2 in Montana. 2 permits in 25 years! Now because of wolf predation permits are almost nonexistant. Loss of revenue means loss of jobs also.
@highcountryhal Oh, and THIS is another motive for slaughtering innocent animals, feast your eyes on this pigeon hunter masturbating in public at a PA shooting club, his action starts around 35 secs in and again near the end, what a freak!
Add the youtube url and see the proof hunting is ALSO about SEX, he must have a little one if you get the jist;
@NativePrairieWolf So you found some hunter who did something stupid? So all hunters are stupid? Thats like saying all animal rights nuts are gays and vegis! Are you gay and vegi? Just asken......
@highcountryhal Its a fact that serial murderers typically take souvenirs off their dead victims- just like hunters do- amazing huh?
Serial murderers will usally take either personal effects or even body parts, some cook and eat their victims flesh too- just like hunters do.
There's no overlooking of the parallels between the two- innocent helpless victim, taking souvenirs- including pics and videos of the KILL, oh you bet there's parallels!
@NativePrairieWolf - Quote "There's no overlooking of the parallels between the two- innocent helpless victim, taking souvenirs- including pics and videos of the KILL, oh you bet there's parallels!" unquote .....What do you have to show for all the Elk that you have killed ?.....Wolf Scat !!!!! contaminated with Echinococus Granulosus which is contaminating lakes , rivers, forests and is a direct violation of the Lacey Act !
What kind of people get turned on by watching defenseless animals being slaughtered?
A HUNTER at a canned pigeon shoot like this guy caught on video:
/watch?v=a1Qu12C-iZs
@NativePrairieWolf - .....or Wolfaboos watching Elk get Slaughtered by to many Wolves on You Tube . It's the Same menality just a different bunch of Idiots !!!! TheFreecoyote
What kind of people get turned on by watching defenseless animals being slaughtered?
A HUNTER at a canned pigeon shoot like this guy caught on video:
/watch?v=a1Qu12C-iZs
@NativePrairieWolf - .....or Wolfaboos watching Elk get Slaughtered by to many Wolves on You Tube . It's the Same menality just a different bunch of Idiots !!!! TheFreecoyote
@NativePrairieWolf The moose are "almost gone" from yellowstone. Believe it or not, the last count was 114 in 2010, down from 1200 in 1995. The only thing that changed is the introduction of the canadian wolf.
i know tons of ppl who own or live with wolves and eveything ive ever read about wolves on youtube has been wrong or slightly misrepresented....like i give our wolves road kill deer and the legs of deer donated and theres been days where the whole bones are gone...and if they arent they keep them til they are....never see them waste anything......
@timteresa - I reported you to PETA ......you aren't allowed to starve Wolves when they are in captivity , you are only allowed to let them starve when they are in Yellowstone Park !
@TheFreecoyote oh yeah i starve animals that was my goal in life...woohoo..NOT!.....how dare you assume i starve them when you dont know anything about me or even the topic you assume know things about.....i get tired of hearing the same shit over and over from people like you and others on here who think they know everything and everybody....whenyou know nothing...and besides typing on here like i do is called short cut...who the fuck cares how i type or write
@TheFreecoyote and its not called starving its called living.....i give them alot and they eat what they can then save the rest for later....ive never had one animal starve since i started getting them...they have better luck in captivity anyway...live longer.i bet if they had a choice theyd choose captivity i kno i would...i wouldnt want to be chased til i collapse and then get a paralyzing bullet in my back to finally die days later ending my suffering.....its cruel not managing
@highcountryhal you know i used to say the samething but withe the way people are harassing them and poaching and shit wolves would have a better life either in a zoo or penned up in someones yard atleast they wouldnt have to worry about being persecuted for livestock killing or blaimed for wiping out elk and deer herds...theyd get food and water and shelter from that kind of crap....i know mine love that they dont get blamed for everything wrong in this world
so dumb how ppl get so upset over wolves and the US...ha makes me laugh...you ppl act like its a crime or something that these amazing creatures are minless population decimating things out to wreak havoc in the world.....please wolves belong here cuz they were here first and they were only broguht back cuz our dumb asses killed them off...canadian wolves?...really?.....all wolves are the same no matter waht the name is...DUH....every canine in this world is linked genetically to wolves...
@timteresa - Well for one Canadians forget they are Canadian and really should keep their opinions to themselves . And they write like you do ! And you are from Canada , no might be about it !
@TheFreecoyote Hah, you idiot. You can't state facts, but threaten to kill the only last surviving predator that would do quite well! What else you have in mind, worthless retard?
@TheFreecoyote pretty sure im not from canada....you know your crap on here is really starting to bug me? you say the same shit to different people and type the same load of horse shit on wolf vids...everytime you reply to someone elses post....how about you just grow up and give up on this fight for knowledge when you know your in a losing battle because every time you say something it sparks a new battle so dry up and mature a little HAHAHA sorry just realized who this is!!!!!
@TheFreeCoyote Awww, you and your bible thumping, pig loving self! For the record, piggy, wolf management shows that we don't need swine-hunters anymore! Another interesting fact. Wolves kill far less cattle than coyotes or wild dogs. So please, keep your dogs inside! Also note the fact that wolves have plenty of elk in these regions. Rarely do the attack cattle.
@Tyco200 - The problem is the Disease Hydatid , it is illegal to Introduce a Disease into the Environment ! To do so runs counter to Nature and the Laws of Nature (see Australia). Right now the US Govt is liable for damamges to the Eco System of Yellowstone and the surrounding states of Id , Mont and Wyo to the tune of.....wait for it...it's rising as fast as the National Debt . With each Elk that dies you can figure a loss of $7000.00 in State revenue and that could be taxed by the FED
@TheFreecoyote You stupid shit. Do you know why they reinvited wolves? Because we had none due to you and your pig group. You exterminated the wolves. We had none, and the environment was suffering greatly. Oh, and for the record? They allowed the reintroduction of the species into the country. Another known fact is the fact that wolves have adapted greatly, unlike your pigs. Also, what other solution do we have? You started this mess, pig.
@TiteHole200 - Wolf Introduction was done Illegally ! With money stolen from Pittman /Robertson Excise Tax (see Jim Beers). As America starts looking for loose change this "Criminal Act " will be visited and coupled with the fact that this NON-Native Subspecies of wolf is carrying Non-Native Species of Tape Worms that are harmful to Wildlife and Humans , the wolf will once again be Extinct and YOUR mess will be cleaned up by us again !
@TheFreecoyote Hah, illegal? I'd call em heroes. Extinct? So, you want to destroy what environmentalists saved just 10 years ago? You want to overpopulate elk again, the inbreeding swine they are, for your bullshit, ranch greed? And tape worms. Really? Last time I checked, wolves adapted far faster than anything else imaginable. Oh, and speaking of tape worms. what about your piggish dogs, which run feral and end up killing more cattle than wolves could ever? And no native? Timber wolves were.
@TheFreecoyote Also, piggy, do remember. Timber wolves are extinct, when they did fine, due to you stupidity. We have no other species more native than these new residents. Like to see what you would find! Non native species of worms and disease? Really! You truly are stupid. Last time I checked, the wolves came in fine, and bred for 10 years and are still doing fine. BTW: Hunt in Wisconsin = Jail time.
Ranchers and Wolves are neither good nor evil. Ranchers raise cattle so you and I can eat hamburgers and wear leather jackets. Wolves keep Yellowstones elk herds healthy and have allowed willow to return to the park.
In my opinion this is one of the few cases where we have a two sided battle. Ranchers want to raise cattle and enviormentalists want wolves in yellowstone. These are two things that can be balanced.
jesus every yellowstone wolf vid i see theres this thefreecoyote fagget distorting facts because its convenient, wolves are going to stay and there's nothing you can do about it. while you were to busy to remember that brucellosis is what has decimated the bison population how convenient now you can blame the wolves. typical dumbass rancher progeny your grandchildren will see the benefits
You misse the point entirely. PEOPLE now live in the area, and will continue to do so. All the wolves are doing is disrupting peoples lives by killing livestock and destroying the elk and moose herds.
Don't agree thee grizzley. Griz always took calves. The fact is there was not a problem with the reduction of elk calves like we have today until the wolves arrived. Less than 10% of the calves are making it to one year old. Bears always took some little ones, but now with wolves on the scene the hunt calves all year long. There will be alot less elk in yellowstone in the future, and a lot less than we have now.
Notice the Date on this vid - then realize all the Elk you saw here are now Dead. Also , there are no New footage of Wolves Killing Elk- it is all old. The newest footage is of Wolves Killing Buffalo. There are 3500 Buffalo in Yellowstone- these are Original . This genetic pool is limited and pure, You are putting it at risk- Wolf eliminated 3000 Elk a yr for three yrs 2000-2003 from just the N Elk herd. Save the Genetics - don't let this Buffalo become Extinct!!!
Every wolf species is unique in it's own way to survive in it's environment and the people over there hunted them to extinction and now just placed Canadian wolves there! the uniqueness of the animal you idiots have lost will never be known now!!!
i love wolves and i don't think the deserve any killing, they are beautiful animals and i hope they live on for centuries, if they don't i don't think i could survive
lmao. What a stupid question. I was working there at Old Faithful in the summer of 2007 and saw hundreds of elk everyday on my way to work at the Snow Lodge and while driving in the Lamar Valley. I'm sorry to say but Yellowstone's wolves aren't going anywere.
ok, 2009 now....in 10 years, what will happen? 60-70% reduction in elk now. Keep in mind the elk have learned that by keeping closer to people they are less hunted by wolves also....
compared to how many elk there used to be there are next to no elk. it is very sad actully. I went on a tour in 08 on one of the park buses and never say an elk and only 2 moose (cow and calf) but saw plenty wolves. I kept asking the tour guide where the elk were. by the time tour ended she was ready to be rid of me.
wolves are like a bad virus and need to be controled.
Nice to see somebody with a little reality in reasoning for a change. I agree with you 100%. It certainly would not hurt to cull some here and there. Its sad to go to YNP and see little wildlife.
I agree. that is why my family wanted to go to Yellow Stone. what a disapointment. Like I said saw plenty wolves but, we have them here in Idaho and they're actully no more than overgorwn coyotes that kill for sport. In one nihgt last spring they killed 17 of my calves and never ate a single one.
Darn, 17 calves! That is an economic nightmare. Well, the wolf season should help, but I still think they need to loosen up on the regs and let private landowners shoot at will on their own land.
Ya cuz wolves NEVER ran from Cougars, people or bears. In the last 100 years. Haha Yellowstone needs to make sure the wolf population doesn't get too big... like it is now
More and more people are taking a negetive view about hunting and its only a matter of time before you people get pushed over and you will be shit out of luck. You hunters are just as bad as Michael Vick! Now I know your gonna reply because you want the last word and won't shut up till you do. So I am done wasting my time with you because at least I have a real life.
Since man has been hunting for thousands of years and you want to preserve the way of our cave man ancestors then why don't you strip down to a loin cloth, run in the woods with nothing but a stone tipped spear and get out of modern society! Yes you hunters do torture, not all the animals you hunt die a quick death, in fact, the ones that manage to escape wounded, die very agonizing deaths, how trappers kill animals in traps is nothing short of torture aswell.
Thank you Kennan & Karen for bringing nature to the masses with your beautiful photography and videography! To all those who do not respect wolves: They have every right to live their lives, as we do - they did not ask to get "re-introduced" to an area where they were killed off from - their own homeland! They do not know the difference between elk and cows - it's all prey to them. They are wild creatures - respect them and manage your farm animals differently, as I care about them, too.
save the animals...kill all the redneck humans and their old traditional ways of life... you people should move to a city and buy food from a grocery store...its 2008!
i dont no were you get your information or your way of unlogical thinking but, the wolf population in montana has skyrocketed, almost to scary heights the wolfs wont hunt elk, or deer anymore they are hunting cows, sheep, goats, and many others. now idk how you make a living but for 5 generations now my family have relied on those animals, + elk deer and other for food $ and a living. wolves are killing more cow than ever. banned troughy hunting? that a sourse of food for my family.
.......Hmmmmm Ed Bangs Wolves must of got Prairie Wolf ......we 're gonna' miss her ....NOT !
TheFreecoyote 1 month ago
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What kind of people get turned on by watching defenseless animals being slaughtered?
A HUNTER at a canned pigeon shoot like this guy caught on video:
/watch?v=a1Qu12C-iZs
@NativePrairieWolf - .....or Wolfaboos watching Elk get Slaughtered by to many Wolves on You Tube . It's the Same menality just a different bunch of Idiots !!!! TheFreecoyote
TheFreecoyote 1 month ago
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"Lower 48 states now number about 2,600, with more than 2,000 of them estimated in Minnesota.
(Reprinted from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service)
Somehow that small number of wolves nationally is miraculously able to eliminate over 100,000 elk in a few years in MT alone, and deccimate all the MOOSE too elsewhere according to one hunter! He claims these HUGE losses down from about 160,000 elk in 2007 to: "Less than 4000 elk left with 6 calves per 100"
NativePrairieWolf 1 month ago 2
There are now approximately 300 red wolves in existence, about 80 of these animals in the wild. The remainder are part of captive breeding efforts at 36 facilities and three island propagation projects.
Gray wolves in the Lower 48 states now number about 2,600, with more than 2,000 of them estimated in Minn. Currently all wolves in the Lower 48 states, with the exception of gray wolves in Minn, are listed as endangered under the Endangered Species Act. Minnesota wolves are listed as threatened.
NativePrairieWolf 1 month ago 2
@NativePrairieWolf Wrong. There are wy more than 600 in Montana, Idaho, and Wyoming. Even the fish and game knows that.
highcountryhal 3 weeks ago
Q: How many gray wolves are in the United States?
"The current estimate for the continental United States is about 5,000 gray wolves (Canis lupus). Genetic data suggest that the historic population in this area was roughly 400,000. Alaska's population is estimated between 7,700 and 11,200. The closely related red wolf (Canis rufus) is all but extinct."
(so much for the 10,000 production per 3 years claim)
NativePrairieWolf 1 month ago 2
@NativePrairieWolf - There are more Apex Predators in and around Yellowstone than have been for 12,000 years . There are more Wolves in Yellowstone per Million Acres than there are in Alaska .......don't take my word for it "DO THE MATH" ......AREA OF ALASKA DIVIDE BY 6-8 THOUSAND WOLVES. AREA OF YELLOWSTONE (2 MILLION ACRES) DIVIDED BY 3-4 THOUSAND WOLVES.........Duh !!!!
TheFreecoyote 1 month ago
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What kind of people get turned on by watching defenseless animals being slaughtered?
A HUNTER at a canned pigeon shoot like this guy caught on video:
/watch?v=a1Qu12C-iZs
@NativePrairieWolf - .....or Wolfaboos watching Elk get Slaughtered by to many Wolves on You Tube . It's the Same menality just a different bunch of Idiots !!!! TheFreecoyote
TheFreecoyote 1 month ago
What kind of people get turned on by watching defenseless animals being slaughtered?
A HUNTER at a canned pigeon shoot like this guy caught on video:
/watch?v=a1Qu12C-iZs
NativePrairieWolf 1 month ago
@NativePrairieWolf - .....or Wolfaboos watching Elk get Slaughtered by to many Wolves on You Tube . It's the Same menality just a different bunch of Idiots !!!!
TheFreecoyote 1 month ago
@TheFreecoyote No idea where you are going with that insanity but you smack big time now of being nothing less than a troll and a waste of time.
NativePrairieWolf 1 month ago 2
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You are looking at a DEATH Toll exceeding 200,000 Elk and that is a Death Toll that does not... I repeat does not include Elk Calves or Livestock or Moose or Coyotes or Bears or those that have died from being infected with Echinococcus Granulosus or Taenia Krabbei ( Moose Measles ).......all this Wildlife has been killed since 1995 !!!!! TheFreecoyote 1 sec ago
TheFreecoyote 1 month ago
Native Prairie Wolf you should be sueing Edd Bang for making your name sake Extinct !
TheFreecoyote 1 month ago
SUPER MARKET TICKS , SUCK AT LIFE .......that would be YOU !
TheFreecoyote 1 month ago
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@Titehole200 - You are such a chicken , not a Wolf Poet at all , more of a Wolf Transgender , Broke Back variety who couldn't thump a belly let alone a Bible .....your thumper is to short . As for Americas Eco System that consists of a Super Market that drains the life blood of the ECOSYSTEM so that you can suck at its' TIT. You are what is Wrong with America !! Your Handle should be TiteHole- (negative) 200 Quadraplegic Super Market Tick . Bloated and Noted !
TheFreecoyote 1 month ago
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@Titehole200 - You are such a chicken , not a Wolf Poet at all , more of a Wolf Transgender , Broke Back variety who couldn't thump a belly let alone a Bible .....your thumper is to short . As for Americas Eco System that consists of a Super Market that drains the life blood of the ECOSYSTEM so that you can suck at its' TIT. You are what is Wrong with America !! Your Handle should be TiteHole- (negative) 200 Quadraplegic Super Market Tick . Bloated and Noted !
TheFreecoyote 1 month ago
@Titehole200 - You are such a chicken , not a Wolf Poet at all , more of a Wolf Transgender , Broke Back variety who couldn't thump a belly let alone a Bible .....your thumper is to short . As for Americas Eco System that consists of a Super Market that drains the life blood of the ECOSYSTEM so that you can suck at its' TIT. You are what is Wrong with America !! Your Handle should be TiteHole- (negative) 200 Quadraplegic Super Market Tick . Bloated and Noted !
TheFreecoyote 1 month ago
Ignore this pig.
Tyco200 1 month ago
Why you want to live with wolves? Get of dog. Better yet, get a dog with purpose. Maybe a bird dog or a cow dog....
The wolves were the worst thing they could have put in yellowstone. The moose are almost gone now, and the elk? We will see....
highcountryhal 1 month ago
@highcountryhal Cow dog? Are you retarded? The moose are actually doing well. Inbreeding, overpopulated pigs like elk will kill them, though. Moose aren't even over-hunted by wolves, you idiot.
Tyco200 1 month ago
@Tyco200 You don't know crap....try READING a little nonprowolf propaganda once in awhile....
highcountryhal 1 month ago
@highcountryhal The moose are not "almost gone" as you claim, and there are many cause for the declines of ungulates in YS park- all of which have been studied and published in books by the respected Adolph Murie and others who went out in the field and did the leg work and found poor range, dying trees and grasses eaten to the ground, ticks, diseases, starvation, infections of nose fly and the type and quanty of SNOWFALL as the major reasons for deaths.
NativePrairieWolf 1 month ago
@NativePrairieWolf He also found a number of deer, bighorns and other animals with broken legs and other injuries from FALLS as well as from being hit by automobiles.
Ticks can and do kill moose and other furred animals, and ticks tend to infest and breed rapidly.
Murie also found plenty of evidence the claimed "kills by coyotes" were of animals who were either on their last legs with severe infestations, disease, starvation or injuries, or were already DEAD, and carrion.
NativePrairieWolf 1 month ago
@NativePrairieWolf BS. The fella is a yellowstone biologist who is prowolf! Funny how the moose numbers never plummeted like this before the wolf was introduced. Guess we never had ticks, diseases, nose flys, etc. before they introduced the wolf......and its not just yellowstone. Its happening anywhere the wolves are now found. Moose just about gone in a lot of places now due to wolf predation.
highcountryhal 1 month ago
@highcountryhal you dont even know WHO Murie is, he is NOT a YS pro wolf biologist he DIED years ago! he published his findings in books ( wolve sof isle royale) and in the bulletins such as "The ecology of the coyote in the yellowstone " published by the
UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE
WASHINGTON: 1940
He detailed POOR RANGE and habitat along with overgrazing- all of which and more are WORSE today not to mention habitat destruction, acid rain and climate change.
NativePrairieWolf 1 month ago 2
@NativePrairieWolf Then why bring him up if he died before the disaster of bringing wolves to yellowstone came to be? Another prowolfer grasping at straws...go to yellowstone. Nothing wrong with the habitat. In fact, since the fires of the early 90s, there is BETTER habitat for moose. 1940 and you bring this up in your argument?
highcountryhal 1 month ago
@highcountryhal Wolves were always a part of what became yellowstone! I brought up murie to prove you have no clue on this- you didn't even know who he was b4 assuming he was a "pro wolf" YS biologist! the other was they were documenting elk, bighorn, deer and moose deaths back in the 1930s and WHY the herds were declining- proof it happens in a cycle. They concluded it was largely POOR WINTER RANGE, diseases, heavy CRUSTED SNOW, & parasites were the major contributing factors.
NativePrairieWolf 1 month ago
@NativePrairieWolf Hmmm, once again. 1995, 1200 moose, 2010, 114 left. They won't even count anymore.....Habitate is better, ticks and the rest have always been here....only thing that has changed is WOLVES.......They are doing the sayme thing to moose populations throughout our state where ever wolves have been found in any numbers.
highcountryhal 1 month ago
@highcountryhal oh right, dream on, wolves have always been part of the ecosystem and they live JUST FINE with their prey in balance, go READ the book on the wolves of isle royale where wolves and moose LOVE TOGETHER on a closed island and guess what- the wolves DONT eat up all the moose! But then again theres NO HUNTING allowed there which otherwise WOULD have killed off the moose long ago for trophy hunting.
NativePrairieWolf 1 month ago
Isle Royale National Park—with its lush northern landscape, wolves, and moose—is an ideal laboratory for wildlife biologists. For nearly half a century it has been the site of a comprehensive study on wolves (2008 marks the 50th anniversary)—the world’s longest-running study on any wild animal.The Wolves of Isle Royale is author and wildlife biologist Rolf Peterson’s fascinating first-hand account of the relationship that exists between the wolf and the moose on the island.
NativePrairieWolf 1 month ago
Wolves of Minong
Noted wildlife biologist Allen initially released this book in 1979. It is essentially his study of the coexistance among wolves, moose, and other creatures on an island (Isle Royal) in Lake Superior. In a natural occurrence, wolves crossed frozen waters to the isle in 1949. The predators' self-introduction acted as a check on the burgeoning moose population, which had been slowly starving due to inadequate food sources to support their numbers.
NativePrairieWolf 1 month ago
@NativePrairieWolf Sure, I read about it. Nice lab for wolves. To bad a few people cannot utilize that resource for hunting. A few folks whould probably like a moose in the freezer. It is still an island and does not resemble the problems that wolves are causing for us out west.
highcountryhal 1 month ago
@NativePrairieWolf You island is not yellowstone............
highcountryhal 1 month ago
@highcountryhal WHERE did I imply Isle Royal is YS? I didnt, I showed you an extreme example of wolves AND moose living TOGETHER for decades on a closed ISLAND where neither can escape and no new animals can enter. Before the wolves came the moose were starving from OVERBROWSING/overpopulation. The moose recovered and the two species live TOGETHER, neither dying off or extincting the other.
That means TWO things;
NativePrairieWolf 1 month ago
@NativePrairieWolf
1)Wolves eat the weak, old and dying and dead, not the 800# bulls who can kick their asses
2)The natural deaths of the moose is enough to support the wolf population but not so much the wolves overbreed- breeding/fertility is controlled by FOOD AVAILABILITY.
The isle's vegetation RECOVERED from the dismal overbrowsed condition it WAS, now supporting a healthy moose population AND a wolf population.
Hunting is NOT ALLOWED, thats another reason why.
NativePrairieWolf 1 month ago
@NativePrairieWolf Problem with yellowstone is that elk and buffalo keep the wolf population high and apparently moose are much easier to kill than elk or buffalo. Might just be the mooses demist in the yellowstone ecosystem.
highcountryhal 1 month ago
@highcountryhal - 65% of Wolves on Isle Royale are showing bone deformities from Inbreeding . Wolves on Isle are Timber Wolves not Canadian Greys , wolves on Isle hunt in pairs not packs and are 3-4 times smaller than Canadians . Taenia Tape worms are what killed the lions share of Moose in Yellowstone and Echinococous Granulosous. Neithe of which are found on Isle Royale !
TheFreecoyote 1 month ago
@TheFreecoyote "wolves on Isle hunt in pairs not packs and are 3-4 times smaller than Canadians"
So you are claiming now they weigh about 25# then on the isle?
FACTS: Gray wolf weight and size can vary greatly worldwide, Adult wolves are 32–34" in shoulder height
European wolves may weigh 85 lb N American wolves 79 lb
Wolves weighing over 120 lbs are uncommon
^ ^ ^ ^ ^
Females typically weigh 5–10 lbs less than males
NativePrairieWolf 1 month ago
@NativePrairieWolf - So now we jump to Isle Royael , where at this very moment the wolves are decimating the last of the Moose. the wolves on Isle are Timber Wolves not Canadian Greys , Timber wolves hunt in prs not packs . One thing that don't vary world wide is the Denial of Wolves weighing in excess of 180 pounds...... I've seen one he weighed 189 lbs and couldn't run .....all he could do was trot ! So you are going to find it difficult to disprove my Wolf !
TheFreecoyote 1 month ago
@highcountryhal
11/2007 thewildlifenews com
QUOTE
"The livestock industry has long opposed large elk herds
cut down on the number of wintering elk to preserve forage for livestock
In short, elk conservation has been a long and difficult effort, obstructed constantly by the livestock industry, and achieved largely contrary to the demands of the livestock industry to keep elk numbers low
We could support a lot more elk in the Greater YS, not to mention bison, without livestock.
NativePrairieWolf 1 month ago
@NativePrairieWolf Yes, but people depend upon livestock for their livihoods. What should a nobody like you have any say in it anyway?
highcountryhal 1 month ago
@highcountryhal why should the TAX PAYERS of this country continue footing the bill to SUBSIDIZE the livestock industry at all as we have for over 150 years, no other industry has gotten so much given to so few, for so little in return!
Go back to tax payer paid mass poisoning and killing of any and all wildlife deemed a "threat" to sheep or livestock- FEDERAL hunters killed millions, poison baits spread over the lands like grass sead by the FEDS for the DEADSTOCK industry
NativePrairieWolf 1 month ago
@NativePrairieWolf You should read into some of the aspects of what has occurred there....To much similiar genetics caused through inbreeding in wolves, lotta problems for sure.
highcountryhal 1 month ago
@highcountryhal Blame HUNTERS too:
Vt About 600 moose a year, on av, were “harvested” over the last 5 yrs, according the dept
Minn moose pop is in sharp decline, but the DNR says hunting is not the reason. State officials would like to ban the feeding of deer, a practice that concentrates deer and exposes moose to disease. Todays Question: Should Minn suspend moose hunting?
Tom Rusch, the DNR area wildlife mgr in Tower, said no clear answers explain why the moose pop is falling
NativePrairieWolf 1 month ago
@NativePrairieWolf Hunting by humans can be regulated. Wolf hunting moose cannot. How much money to wolves bring in for conservation issues? How many biologists, game wardens, etc. get paid because of wolves? Answer...NONE.
highcountryhal 1 month ago
@highcountryhal Maine:
If passed, LD 291 will make an additional 657 moose permits available for this yrs hunt, If passed, that would bring the total of moose permits to a record 3,862 for this fall’s hunts."
You dont think HUNTERS slaughtering almost 4,000 moose a year are simply replaced like MAGIC in ONE year would you! nah that wouldnt reduce the numbers!!
NativePrairieWolf 1 month ago
@highcountryhal Maine;
In 2010, just 49,729 people the second-lowest total ever applied for the 3,140 available permits. The record low, 36,636, was set in the first year of the modern moose hunt, 1980. In 1994, a record high 94,532 applicants signed up for a chance to win one of 1,200 permits."
So where do YOU think those 94,000 applicants hopefull to murder a moose, WENT?---> ANOTHER STATE.
NativePrairieWolf 1 month ago
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highcountryhal 1 month ago
@NativePrairieWolf Another state? You obviously don't know crap about permits. I have applied for several permits for over 30 years and never got drawn. Every state has a permit system. I sure as heck am not going to pay the outrangeous fees to shoot a moose in another state. In other words, they allow only so many permits. Your wolves don't need a permit. They just kill, kill, kill.
highcountryhal 1 month ago
@highcountryhal Oh yes I do, and you just provided another tidbit of info for me to use- THANKS!
It's clear the COST is your main concern, very good to know!
As far as the wolves go, nature doesnt need one, any more than a thunderstorm needs parade permit. Were it not for permits, laws and COST the moose would be extinct by now like many others such as a Quagga from OVERHUNTING.
NativePrairieWolf 1 month ago
@NativePrairieWolf Also, with Maine in 1994 having 94,000 applications for just 1,200 permits even if the permits were DOUBLED it wouldnt have mattered.
Just imagine how many moose would be left in Maine if those 94,000 idiots were all told to just go ahead and start hunting, no permit required.
There would be exactly ZERO left there.
NativePrairieWolf 1 month ago
@NativePrairieWolf First of all, the are not idiots. This is why hunting is regulated. How much money does that equate to for habitat, management, and enforcement? Wolves bring in nothing.
highcountryhal 1 month ago
@highcountryhal the money is a SELF SERVING program designed to foster and create MORE animals to slaughter the following season, dont give me that BS about hunter's fees preserving habitat out of the goodness of their hearts! Its like a drug dealer paying a fee to preserve the forest where they grow their cocaine on, doing it for "nature's benefit."
Wolves bring in many tourists to YS park.
NativePrairieWolf 1 month ago
@NativePrairieWolf You know, you are just to dumb to talk to..........
highcountryhal 1 month ago
Hunters, who target elk that leave YS park, have blamed the wolves. But researchers, including Vucetich, say the problem isn't that simple.
In an analysis in the current edition of the ecology journal Oikos, for example, Vucetich and park service colleagues examined weather, hunting and wolves as factors in the elk decline. Yellowstone has had seven years of drought and a severe winter in 1997 that killed many elk
They found that weather and hunting are mostly to blame.
NativePrairieWolf 1 month ago
@NativePrairieWolf That is an outright LIE. Wolves has cause the elk decline. Even most of the prowolf biogists say that. As far as hunting goes, their is very little hunting going on outside the park. Montana fish and game issued 100 cow tags for the area around gardner. It use to be 2,000 and less than 30 % of the tags were filled. Wolves are the reason for the elk delcine, period. As I stated, you cannot regulate elk numbers with wolves. Less than 4000 elk left with 6 calves per 100.
highcountryhal 1 month ago
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@highcountryhal thats YOUR claim, mine is published fact and the direct quote was:
"Yellowstone has had seven years of drought and a severe winter in 1997 that killed many elk
They found that weather and hunting are mostly to blame."
Published by in the ecology journal Oikos. John A, Vucetich and park service colleagues Douglas W. Smith,
Daniel R. Stahler conducted the fact findings so go take up the issue with THEM.
NativePrairieWolf 1 month ago
@NativePrairieWolf Well, its a lie.
highcountryhal 1 month ago
@highcountryhal FACTS from the NPS:
At the end of 2010, at least 97 wolves occupied Yellowstone National Park. This is nearly the same size population as in 2009 (96 wolves) and represents a stable population.
From MT fish and wildlife;
Q. How many wolves are in Montana? A. Federal officials estimated that 153 wolves in 40 packs.
NativePrairieWolf 1 month ago
@NativePrairieWolf Lot more than 153.........
highcountryhal 1 month ago
@highcountryhal Prove it, back up your claim with published facts like I have., as of the end of 2010 there were an estimated 153 wolves in Mt State. Thats just too bad if you dont believe the published fact from that source, but then you claim you personally SAW and counted 19,000 elk so you are little more than a troll with no facts who pulls numbers out of his ass to support his claims.
"2007Biologists est that there are somewhere between 130,000 to 160,000 elk in the state"
NativePrairieWolf 1 month ago
@NativePrairieWolf - Prove it to YOURSELF ! Do the Math ! In 2000 there were 20,000 Elk in the N Herd , 19,500 in the S Herd and 15,000 Interior Elk , for a total of 54,500 Elk in and around Yellowstone , Today there are 700 Elk in the S Herd and less than a thousand in the N Herd and all the Interior Elk are Dead. By 2003 there were 10,000 Killed of the Northern Herd , by 2008 all the Interior Elk were Dead , by 2011 10,000 Elk were Dead......cont
TheFreecoyote 1 month ago
@TheFreecoyote Thank you, Coyote. I hate to be negative with this crop of kid woofabos, but he is just to damm brainwashed to talk to. People who brainwashed this boy are the ones responsible for the demise of wildlife around yellowstone.
highcountryhal 1 month ago
@highcountryhal - This Super Market Tic is just another Plastic Environmentalist stamped out of Styrene bought from China with money YOU and I make . Once they get on the Tit it's hard to remove them because they tell them in school that they know something.......but guess what ? They never tell them what that Something is and they teach them not to ask questions . Mindless, Spineless Minions !!!
TheFreecoyote 1 month ago
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@TheFreecoyote
1/2007
It's certainly not occurring for a lack of elk Montana's elk herd is as large as it's been since the state was first settled.
-----> Biologists est that there are somewhere between ((( 130,000 to 160,000 elk in the state)))"
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It doesnt MATTER what the stat's distribution IS- animals MOVE around, when one area becomes a poor feeder they MOVE to where the feed is BETTER, that doesnt mean there's a population crash!
NativePrairieWolf 1 month ago
@NativePrairieWolf .....cont If 10,000 Elk were destroyed in 3 yrs and a Wolf eats 22-25 Elk a year that gives you how many Wolves were in N Yellowstone. Now if you figure an additional 10,000 every three years ( because that's what they used to produce) that means by 2011 you have fed 90,000 Elk just out of the N Herd to wolves. This count does not include calves that never make it to snow. If you include the S Herd ( which USFWS never does or the Interior Elk Herd )..cont
TheFreecoyote 1 month ago
@TheFreecoyote "additional 10,000 every three years because that's what they used to produce"
"USED TO" doesnt mean anything, this isnt the 1850s son- the west has ROADS, PRIVATE LANDS, CITIES, TOWNS, theres little of the vast wide open nomad wilderness there once WAS
still pulling #s out of your ass I see, wolves dont JUST eat elk any more than you JUST drink beer every day, they ALSO eat carrion- animals also DIE of natural causes and disease
NativePrairieWolf 1 month ago
@NativePrairieWolf - USED TO ! Does count ! That's how you are paid Social Security , that's how you are Taxed every year and USED TO have 200,000 Elk is why Idaho , Mont and Wyoming are Pissed at YOU and "USED TO" is why the Wolf is being Hunted Right Now . Alot of people USED TO have a Job ,try and Tell them that "Used To" doesn't count........"USED TO" applies only to you and other Wolfaboos " You Used To think Wolves were a good Idea....now you r just idiots !
TheFreecoyote 1 month ago
@TheFreecoyote "Used to" in CONTEXT- ((FOCUS )) sweetie- "used to breed 10k every 3 years" does not apply to wolves TODAY- the land is no longer the WILD UNSETTLED UNTAMED WILDERNESS it was in the 1800s when massive herds of bison roamed free and you could build a house anywhere.
TODAY there's no room or way for massive roaming herds of bison or 10,000 wolves in one area- YS park is as close as it gets- HUMANS destroyed the wilderness and built cities and roads over it.
NativePrairieWolf 1 month ago
@NativePrairieWolf - FOCUS IN CONTEXT PLEASE!!!!--- 10k EVERY 3 YRS APPLYS TO ELK......NOT WOLVES ! Read slowly , you are not capable of Speed Reading ...... Yellowstone Park is not as close as it gets !!! Because what "Greenies" want doesn't exist anymore, if it ever actually did ! ( and I don't know who wrote this for YOU but have them pay closer attention next time )
TheFreecoyote 1 month ago
@NativePrairieWolf ...cont You are looking at a DEATH Toll exceeding 200,000 Elk and that is a Death Toll that does not include Calves or Livestock or Moose or Coyotes or Bears or those that have died from being infected with Echinococuos Granulosus or Taenia Krabbei ( Moose Measles ).......all this Wildlife is gone since 1995 !!!!!
TheFreecoyote 1 month ago
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"Through last weekend, the 3 west-central MT check stations reported that 16,462 hunters had checked 474 elk Last yr at the same time, a few more hunters had bagged 526 elk Blame the lag on Mother Nature
It's certainly not occurring for a lack of elk Montana's elk herd is as large as it's been since the state was first settled. Biologists est that there are somewhere between 130,000 to 160,000 elk in the state"
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NativePrairieWolf 1 month ago
@highcountryhal
11/2007
"Through last weekend, the 3 west-central MT check stations reported that 16,462 hunters had checked 474 elk Last yr at the same time, a few more hunters had bagged 526 elk Blame the lag on Mother Nature
It's certainly not occurring for a lack of elk Montana's elk herd is as large as it's been since the state was first settled. Biologists est that there are somewhere between 130,000 to 160,000 elk in the state"
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So much for your 4,000
NativePrairieWolf 1 month ago
@highcountryhal
11/2007
Before Lewis and Clark's epic journey, there were millions of the large ungulates in North America. Market hunting eliminated elk from the plains by the mid-1880s and decimated herd sizes in the mountain areas.
By 1910, elk numbers had dwindled to about 50,000 or less in all of North America. In Montana, the numbers dropped to nearly 3,000 in the entire state outside of Yellowstone Nat Pk"
Must have been the WOLVES huh? wolves with rifles & shotguns!
NativePrairieWolf 1 month ago
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@NativePrairieWolf
MT FWP:
"At the end of 2010, the State of MT had a minimum of 566 wolves"
11/2007 missoulian:
"Biologists est that there are somewhere between 130,000 to 160,000 elk in the state"
>>>Market hunting<<< eliminated elk from the plains by the mid-1880s and decimated herd sizes in the mtn areas
By 1910, elk #s had dwindled to about 50,000 or less in all of North America. In Montana, the #s dropped to nearly 3,000 in the entire state outside of YS Nat Pk.
NativePrairieWolf 1 month ago
@NativePrairieWolf Right, but only in areas where wolves have not been found for more than 5 years.. They are hammering the elk populations in mountainous areas. West fork of bitterroot down 60%, Lolo herd, down 70% and these are areas where elk numbers are not overpopulated. This is hurting the economies of towns nearby.
highcountryhal 1 month ago
@highcountryhal Well thats just too bad isn't it, you cant always get wild animals WHERE you want them- they are free to roam where they WANT to, fact is there are 130,000 to 160,000 elk in Mt state, that you dont have 25 in your backyard with bullseye targets on their sides during hunting season is just too bad for you!
NativePrairieWolf 1 month ago
@NativePrairieWolf Speaking of hunting;
"Along with elephants and tigers, poachers [hunters w/o permits] also roam. Poaching has contributed to reducing the worldwide tiger pop by 97%"
"Illegal wildlife trading is like water running downhill," Bennett said "You block it in one place and it will go somewhere else"
TIGERS now, just like the "market hunting" of elk that nearly decimated them- reduced to just 50K in all of N America by 1910! with just 3,000 in the state of Mt
NativePrairieWolf 1 month ago
@highcountryhal 'This is hurting the economies of towns nearby' good gawd, hunters slaughter enough to affect TOWN economines?? how many of these 700# animals do you think can replace themselves in a year?? if a town's whole dependency is on slaughtering wildlife then maybe that twon should dry up and blow away as a relic of the frontier days. Its outrageous to vest a town's economy on DEAD ANIMALS! good, go bankrupt and blow away then, good riddance!
NativePrairieWolf 1 month ago
@NativePrairieWolf No slaughter, regulated hunting and people PAY license fees. They pay to stay in motels, cabins, and the eat in cafes. Helps the economies of small towns alot. Very few actually bag elk or deer. . Their is no slaughter. In fact, they are very hard to find and shoot. We love it.
highcountryhal 1 month ago
@NativePrairieWolf and we plan to keep our elk.
highcountryhal 1 month ago
@NativePrairieWolf They are not "targeting" elk anymore. Very few left to target.
highcountryhal 1 month ago
@NativePrairieWolf - If all 94,000 applications had been granted Maine would look like Yellowstone .......empty ......everything Dead ! I fail to see your point , Wolves in Yellowstpone = ZERO Moose , ZERO Elk with no hunters involved at all ???? What is your point ?
TheFreecoyote 1 month ago
@TheFreecoyote YS is not "dead", moose may not be there in huge #s but other species DO- especially elk, bighorn sheep, deer, bison, bears, coyotes , wolves and many others.
zero elk eh? WRONGO, BZZZT;
"Elk are the most abundant large mammal found in Yellowstone; paleontological evidence confirms their continuous presence for at least 1,000 years.ore than 30,000 elk from 7-8 different herds summer in Yellowstone and approximately 15,000 to 22,000 winter in the park."(NPS.gov)
NativePrairieWolf 1 month ago
@NativePrairieWolf - Well all those Elk are Dead ! Call the USFWS in J Hole and ask how many Elk are on the Feed Ground right now ? My wifw as there yesterday and saw maybe 600 ..........where are the others ? We filmed 3,250 last year and 4200 the year befor that . Your numbers are correct 5 years ago I saw 17,000 in J Hole , there were 15,000 in YSP and 20,000 in Gardiner .....total 52,000 Elk , today less than 4,000 ! and Moose ? maybe 30 .....maybe !
TheFreecoyote 1 month ago
@TheFreecoyote I know what you mean coyotes. These one species people care nothing about other animals except wolves.
highcountryhal 1 month ago
@highcountryhal The only reason YOU care about elk is to KILL them during hunting season, you already admitted you are a hunter and that's what it's ALL about- the "game" animals you want increased and increased in a CONVIENIENT local location so it's more like a canned hunt that you can shoot at them practically your own porch.
NativePrairieWolf 1 month ago
@NativePrairieWolf - YOU're the one Killing Elk in case you hadn't Noticed and you are doing it without a license or seasons .......WTF is wrong with you are you challenged or something ??????
TheFreecoyote 1 month ago
@TheFreecoyote Now he goes over the edge....lost the argument so he starts accusing. Typical wolf hugger....the truth hurts, don't it? Heck, you don't even understand the argument.
highcountryhal 1 month ago
@TheFreecoyote I don't hunt- YOU do
NativePrairieWolf 1 month ago
@NativePrairieWolf - ......and a Good Hunter am I , you've been masquerading as a Guy . That's interesting .....do you feel you will be taken more seriously f you pretend to be a Male ? You know Wolves have this same problem they are so timid that Alphas are able to make them Nanny their kids and keep Wolves like you from having children. That's the Reason I'm a Hunter and you are a Nanny !
TheFreecoyote 1 month ago
@NativePrairieWolf Ha Ha, wolves only kill, kill, killl. No regulated seasons, and when they are finished, they go after domestic livestock! Go watch "Conclusions of the wolf Historical study" wolf boy. No BS there.
highcountryhal 1 month ago
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@highcountryhal That is what they are SUPPOSED to do idiot, they are predators- that's how they EAT, same as you murder animals to eat steaks, but you unlike wolves have a CHOICE to not eat meat but instead assume more normal co-existance with other animals on this planet that doesnt involve murder
Heres what HUNTING is really about- moron pleasuring himself in PUBLIC at a pigeon shoot,must have been real "exciting" kills
add the youtube url to this
/watch?v=a1Qu12C-iZs
NativePrairieWolf 1 month ago
@highcountryhal domestic livestock is a joke, a manipulated, brains bred- out helpless bunch that couldnt find their way out of a dark shed if their lives depended on it, owned by fools who let them roam the countryside at will with no protections and then get pissed when something happens.
Mad cow disease and worse would be a GOOD thing to go around in a big way to kill off this disgusting bloody industry from the inside out and good riddance.
NativePrairieWolf 1 month ago
@NativePrairieWolf - You couldn't be more wrong ......and I can prove it . Wild Horses ?? Wild Horses left to their own go backwards on the Evolutionary Road . None of the great Horses of History came out of a herd of Wild Horses .Whether You believe in " Intelligent Design" or "Unintelligent Design" Man is the Balance of Nature ! No other creature understands Balance !
TheFreecoyote 1 month ago
@TheFreecoyote Theres NO way you SAW 3,250, or 4,200 or 17,000 elk! Even Murie's study states there is extreme difficulty accurately counting wildlife by any methods- ALL they can do is tally an area or two at random and extrapolate the number across the total land area- you find 10 elk in a 10sq mi area and multiple that by the area and there's your bogus "count". If theres less than 4,000 now then too bad, thats natures way, nothing lasts forever, as the dinosaurs proved.
NativePrairieWolf 1 month ago
@NativePrairieWolf - The Elk are on the Feed Ground "Moron" watch " Why do you love Wolves" . You'll see that all you have to do is sit in the Wagon and count ! I'll send you the vid PM .......you can see that there are no calves and very few Bulls . I saw 19,000 3 years befor that (2003) . YOU ARE WRONG ......THE ELK ARE DEAD AND YOU KILLED THEM !
TheFreecoyote 1 month ago
@TheFreecoyote "The problem of the big game species in Yellowstone is not one of predation, but of inadequate winter range, a problem shared by many districts throughout the Western States.( A Murie)
Theres NO WAY you sat there on your ass around the clock and personally COUNTED 19,000 elk- you are GUESSING- you saw a few hundred at best and extrapolated the numbers into a give area and multiplied it by that area.
NativePrairieWolf 1 month ago
@NativePrairieWolf - Are you really this Dumb or are you pretending ? The 19,000 Elk count was the count done by USFWS......not me ! I counted 17,000 (USFWS count)2008.....4,200 in 2009......3,200 2011.....so far this yr 700 . Now read this comment a couple of times then you won't look so stupid.....maybe !
TheFreecoyote 1 month ago
@TheFreecoyote "The 19,000 Elk count was the count done by USFWS......not me !"
YOUR EXACT WORDS WERE , AND I QUOTE DIRECTLY:
"I saw 19,000 3 years befor that (2003) "
--> *YOU* said you saw, NOT the USFWS!
"My wifw as there yesterday and saw maybe 600"
"We filmed 3,250 last year and 4200 the year befor that"
NOW you are claiming the USFWS did the counting!! oh yeah, yet you claimed YOU filmed 4,200 elk, your story jumps more than a mexican jumping bean now and I'm done with you troll.
NativePrairieWolf 1 month ago
@NativePrairieWolf - I SAW ON THE FEED GROUND 19,000 ELK WHICH WERE COUNTED IN J HOLE ON THE FEED GROUND BY USFWS and that count was printed in the Newspaper J Hole Guide . All counts were printed in the Newspaper , as a matter of fact Google Jackson Hole Guide right now and see for yourself. I realize how uncomfortable this makes YOU ! That is alot of Dead Elk and all you have to show is contaminated Wolf Scat which is against the Law ! Do some home work , I'll be here !
TheFreecoyote 1 month ago
@NativePrairieWolf - Watch our vdeo " Why do You love Wolves" it's on You Tube Rockholm Media ........YOU CAN SEE ALL THE ELK YOURSELF ! You don't have to extrapolate anything ......geeesh ! Can you even tie your shoes ????
TheFreecoyote 1 month ago
@NativePrairieWolf - Which they were well aware of when they INTRODUCED THE NON-NATIVE CANADIAN GREY WOLF AND HIS PARASITES . All of which is a direct violation of the Lacey Act (see Lacey Act ).
TheFreecoyote 1 month ago
@NativePrairieWolf Wrong again, wolf boy!
highcountryhal 1 month ago
@highcountryhal - NPW is a female .......not a guy ! If it's a Guy not a female we have a real confused situation !!! How can the truth be digested by anyone so conflicted ? Now I'm a good teacher but the student has to know WHAT they are befor they come to class ........hmmmmmm?????
TheFreecoyote 1 month ago
@TheFreecoyote Point is, they are not granted. Its called regulated hunting. Lost of moose in Maine because of it.
highcountryhal 1 month ago
@NativePrairieWolf COST is what pays for moose management. Provides jobs also. Moose are not extinct because moose permits provide moneys for moose studies, enforcement activities, and to transplant moose into new areas. The system is one of the greatest benefits to wildlife. I just can't afford to go to another state to shoot a moose. I have shot 2 in Montana. 2 permits in 25 years! Now because of wolf predation permits are almost nonexistant. Loss of revenue means loss of jobs also.
highcountryhal 1 month ago
@highcountryhal Oh, and THIS is another motive for slaughtering innocent animals, feast your eyes on this pigeon hunter masturbating in public at a PA shooting club, his action starts around 35 secs in and again near the end, what a freak!
Add the youtube url and see the proof hunting is ALSO about SEX, he must have a little one if you get the jist;
watch?v=5FRLQ_xJs9M
NativePrairieWolf 1 month ago
@NativePrairieWolf So you found some hunter who did something stupid? So all hunters are stupid? Thats like saying all animal rights nuts are gays and vegis! Are you gay and vegi? Just asken......
highcountryhal 1 month ago
@highcountryhal Its a fact that serial murderers typically take souvenirs off their dead victims- just like hunters do- amazing huh?
Serial murderers will usally take either personal effects or even body parts, some cook and eat their victims flesh too- just like hunters do.
There's no overlooking of the parallels between the two- innocent helpless victim, taking souvenirs- including pics and videos of the KILL, oh you bet there's parallels!
NativePrairieWolf 1 month ago
@NativePrairieWolf - Quote "There's no overlooking of the parallels between the two- innocent helpless victim, taking souvenirs- including pics and videos of the KILL, oh you bet there's parallels!" unquote .....What do you have to show for all the Elk that you have killed ?.....Wolf Scat !!!!! contaminated with Echinococus Granulosus which is contaminating lakes , rivers, forests and is a direct violation of the Lacey Act !
TheFreecoyote 1 month ago
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@NativePrairieWolf -
What kind of people get turned on by watching defenseless animals being slaughtered?
A HUNTER at a canned pigeon shoot like this guy caught on video:
/watch?v=a1Qu12C-iZs
@NativePrairieWolf - .....or Wolfaboos watching Elk get Slaughtered by to many Wolves on You Tube . It's the Same menality just a different bunch of Idiots !!!! TheFreecoyote
TheFreecoyote 1 month ago
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@NativePrairieWolf -
What kind of people get turned on by watching defenseless animals being slaughtered?
A HUNTER at a canned pigeon shoot like this guy caught on video:
/watch?v=a1Qu12C-iZs
@NativePrairieWolf - .....or Wolfaboos watching Elk get Slaughtered by to many Wolves on You Tube . It's the Same menality just a different bunch of Idiots !!!! TheFreecoyote
TheFreecoyote 1 month ago
@NativePrairieWolf You are out of your mind......
highcountryhal 1 month ago
@NativePrairieWolf The moose are "almost gone" from yellowstone. Believe it or not, the last count was 114 in 2010, down from 1200 in 1995. The only thing that changed is the introduction of the canadian wolf.
highcountryhal 1 month ago
i know tons of ppl who own or live with wolves and eveything ive ever read about wolves on youtube has been wrong or slightly misrepresented....like i give our wolves road kill deer and the legs of deer donated and theres been days where the whole bones are gone...and if they arent they keep them til they are....never see them waste anything......
timteresa 1 month ago
@timteresa - I reported you to PETA ......you aren't allowed to starve Wolves when they are in captivity , you are only allowed to let them starve when they are in Yellowstone Park !
TheFreecoyote 1 month ago
@TheFreecoyote oh yeah i starve animals that was my goal in life...woohoo..NOT!.....how dare you assume i starve them when you dont know anything about me or even the topic you assume know things about.....i get tired of hearing the same shit over and over from people like you and others on here who think they know everything and everybody....whenyou know nothing...and besides typing on here like i do is called short cut...who the fuck cares how i type or write
timteresa 1 month ago
@TheFreecoyote and its not called starving its called living.....i give them alot and they eat what they can then save the rest for later....ive never had one animal starve since i started getting them...they have better luck in captivity anyway...live longer.i bet if they had a choice theyd choose captivity i kno i would...i wouldnt want to be chased til i collapse and then get a paralyzing bullet in my back to finally die days later ending my suffering.....its cruel not managing
timteresa 1 month ago
@timteresa Wolves shoudl not be kept in cages.
highcountryhal 1 month ago
@highcountryhal you know i used to say the samething but withe the way people are harassing them and poaching and shit wolves would have a better life either in a zoo or penned up in someones yard atleast they wouldnt have to worry about being persecuted for livestock killing or blaimed for wiping out elk and deer herds...theyd get food and water and shelter from that kind of crap....i know mine love that they dont get blamed for everything wrong in this world
timteresa 3 weeks ago
so dumb how ppl get so upset over wolves and the US...ha makes me laugh...you ppl act like its a crime or something that these amazing creatures are minless population decimating things out to wreak havoc in the world.....please wolves belong here cuz they were here first and they were only broguht back cuz our dumb asses killed them off...canadian wolves?...really?.....all wolves are the same no matter waht the name is...DUH....every canine in this world is linked genetically to wolves...
timteresa 1 month ago
@timteresa - I wish you would learn "English" ,grammer and spelling ......you write like you're from Canada !
TheFreecoyote 1 month ago
@TheFreecoyote and besides i may not live in or be from canada ........but what do you have against canada RACIST!!!...much......
timteresa 1 month ago
@timteresa - Well for one Canadians forget they are Canadian and really should keep their opinions to themselves . And they write like you do ! And you are from Canada , no might be about it !
TheFreecoyote 1 month ago
@TheFreecoyote Hah, you idiot. You can't state facts, but threaten to kill the only last surviving predator that would do quite well! What else you have in mind, worthless retard?
Tyco200 1 month ago
@TheFreecoyote pretty sure im not from canada....you know your crap on here is really starting to bug me? you say the same shit to different people and type the same load of horse shit on wolf vids...everytime you reply to someone elses post....how about you just grow up and give up on this fight for knowledge when you know your in a losing battle because every time you say something it sparks a new battle so dry up and mature a little HAHAHA sorry just realized who this is!!!!!
timteresa 3 weeks ago
@timteresa - Well it took you long enough to remember !
TheFreecoyote 3 weeks ago
@TheFreecoyote oh that was a good one...i was thrown offguard with that who knew that would be your comeback???...hahahahahaha....
timteresa 2 weeks ago
@TheFreeCoyote Awww, you and your bible thumping, pig loving self! For the record, piggy, wolf management shows that we don't need swine-hunters anymore! Another interesting fact. Wolves kill far less cattle than coyotes or wild dogs. So please, keep your dogs inside! Also note the fact that wolves have plenty of elk in these regions. Rarely do the attack cattle.
Tyco200 1 month ago
@Tyco200 - The problem is the Disease Hydatid , it is illegal to Introduce a Disease into the Environment ! To do so runs counter to Nature and the Laws of Nature (see Australia). Right now the US Govt is liable for damamges to the Eco System of Yellowstone and the surrounding states of Id , Mont and Wyo to the tune of.....wait for it...it's rising as fast as the National Debt . With each Elk that dies you can figure a loss of $7000.00 in State revenue and that could be taxed by the FED
TheFreecoyote 1 month ago
@TheFreecoyote You stupid shit. Do you know why they reinvited wolves? Because we had none due to you and your pig group. You exterminated the wolves. We had none, and the environment was suffering greatly. Oh, and for the record? They allowed the reintroduction of the species into the country. Another known fact is the fact that wolves have adapted greatly, unlike your pigs. Also, what other solution do we have? You started this mess, pig.
Tyco200 1 month ago
@TiteHole200 - Wolf Introduction was done Illegally ! With money stolen from Pittman /Robertson Excise Tax (see Jim Beers). As America starts looking for loose change this "Criminal Act " will be visited and coupled with the fact that this NON-Native Subspecies of wolf is carrying Non-Native Species of Tape Worms that are harmful to Wildlife and Humans , the wolf will once again be Extinct and YOUR mess will be cleaned up by us again !
TheFreecoyote 1 month ago
@TheFreecoyote Hah, illegal? I'd call em heroes. Extinct? So, you want to destroy what environmentalists saved just 10 years ago? You want to overpopulate elk again, the inbreeding swine they are, for your bullshit, ranch greed? And tape worms. Really? Last time I checked, wolves adapted far faster than anything else imaginable. Oh, and speaking of tape worms. what about your piggish dogs, which run feral and end up killing more cattle than wolves could ever? And no native? Timber wolves were.
Tyco200 1 month ago
@TheFreecoyote Also, piggy, do remember. Timber wolves are extinct, when they did fine, due to you stupidity. We have no other species more native than these new residents. Like to see what you would find! Non native species of worms and disease? Really! You truly are stupid. Last time I checked, the wolves came in fine, and bred for 10 years and are still doing fine. BTW: Hunt in Wisconsin = Jail time.
Tyco200 1 month ago
Ranchers and Wolves are neither good nor evil. Ranchers raise cattle so you and I can eat hamburgers and wear leather jackets. Wolves keep Yellowstones elk herds healthy and have allowed willow to return to the park.
In my opinion this is one of the few cases where we have a two sided battle. Ranchers want to raise cattle and enviormentalists want wolves in yellowstone. These are two things that can be balanced.
Rainfish14 11 months ago
jesus every yellowstone wolf vid i see theres this thefreecoyote fagget distorting facts because its convenient, wolves are going to stay and there's nothing you can do about it. while you were to busy to remember that brucellosis is what has decimated the bison population how convenient now you can blame the wolves. typical dumbass rancher progeny your grandchildren will see the benefits
honeyputdowndaknife 1 year ago
You misse the point entirely. PEOPLE now live in the area, and will continue to do so. All the wolves are doing is disrupting peoples lives by killing livestock and destroying the elk and moose herds.
Mont556n 1 year ago
Don't agree thee grizzley. Griz always took calves. The fact is there was not a problem with the reduction of elk calves like we have today until the wolves arrived. Less than 10% of the calves are making it to one year old. Bears always took some little ones, but now with wolves on the scene the hunt calves all year long. There will be alot less elk in yellowstone in the future, and a lot less than we have now.
Mont556n 1 year ago
They are all Dead Now,too !!! Wish you would have gotten a video for the Kids. There are no new ones !! Such a tradgedy !!
TheFreecoyote 2 years ago
Interesting... I was there in may and saw plenty of Elk... matter of fact I woke up one morning and they were nibbling on the grass by my tent??
twstrnd 2 years ago
Notice the Date on this vid - then realize all the Elk you saw here are now Dead. Also , there are no New footage of Wolves Killing Elk- it is all old. The newest footage is of Wolves Killing Buffalo. There are 3500 Buffalo in Yellowstone- these are Original . This genetic pool is limited and pure, You are putting it at risk- Wolf eliminated 3000 Elk a yr for three yrs 2000-2003 from just the N Elk herd. Save the Genetics - don't let this Buffalo become Extinct!!!
TheFreecoyote 2 years ago
Every wolf species is unique in it's own way to survive in it's environment and the people over there hunted them to extinction and now just placed Canadian wolves there! the uniqueness of the animal you idiots have lost will never be known now!!!
Summers669 2 years ago
i love wolves and i don't think the deserve any killing, they are beautiful animals and i hope they live on for centuries, if they don't i don't think i could survive
ZuriBonn 2 years ago
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smileyqueen162 2 years ago
I love the woves and all but there are way too many of them and they are wiping the elk population out, they need to be culled, NOW!
109367 2 years ago
any elk left in the park?
BIGSKYHAL50 2 years ago
lmao. What a stupid question. I was working there at Old Faithful in the summer of 2007 and saw hundreds of elk everyday on my way to work at the Snow Lodge and while driving in the Lamar Valley. I'm sorry to say but Yellowstone's wolves aren't going anywere.
NonStereotypical 2 years ago
ok, 2009 now....in 10 years, what will happen? 60-70% reduction in elk now. Keep in mind the elk have learned that by keeping closer to people they are less hunted by wolves also....
BIGSKYHAL50 2 years ago
compared to how many elk there used to be there are next to no elk. it is very sad actully. I went on a tour in 08 on one of the park buses and never say an elk and only 2 moose (cow and calf) but saw plenty wolves. I kept asking the tour guide where the elk were. by the time tour ended she was ready to be rid of me.
wolves are like a bad virus and need to be controled.
bm4nu 2 years ago
Nice to see somebody with a little reality in reasoning for a change. I agree with you 100%. It certainly would not hurt to cull some here and there. Its sad to go to YNP and see little wildlife.
BIGSKYHAL50 2 years ago
I agree. that is why my family wanted to go to Yellow Stone. what a disapointment. Like I said saw plenty wolves but, we have them here in Idaho and they're actully no more than overgorwn coyotes that kill for sport. In one nihgt last spring they killed 17 of my calves and never ate a single one.
bm4nu 2 years ago
Darn, 17 calves! That is an economic nightmare. Well, the wolf season should help, but I still think they need to loosen up on the regs and let private landowners shoot at will on their own land.
BIGSKYHAL50 2 years ago
Ya cuz wolves NEVER ran from Cougars, people or bears. In the last 100 years. Haha Yellowstone needs to make sure the wolf population doesn't get too big... like it is now
buckyandlucky 2 years ago 2
I agree. If the wolves are to survive, management is necessary.
HuntersRightsUnite 2 years ago 2
More and more people are taking a negetive view about hunting and its only a matter of time before you people get pushed over and you will be shit out of luck. You hunters are just as bad as Michael Vick! Now I know your gonna reply because you want the last word and won't shut up till you do. So I am done wasting my time with you because at least I have a real life.
thewolf251982 3 years ago
Since man has been hunting for thousands of years and you want to preserve the way of our cave man ancestors then why don't you strip down to a loin cloth, run in the woods with nothing but a stone tipped spear and get out of modern society! Yes you hunters do torture, not all the animals you hunt die a quick death, in fact, the ones that manage to escape wounded, die very agonizing deaths, how trappers kill animals in traps is nothing short of torture aswell.
thewolf251982 3 years ago
Not all hunters are bad
HuntersRightsUnite 2 years ago
no sound?
PROMINGER 3 years ago
Thank you Kennan & Karen for bringing nature to the masses with your beautiful photography and videography! To all those who do not respect wolves: They have every right to live their lives, as we do - they did not ask to get "re-introduced" to an area where they were killed off from - their own homeland! They do not know the difference between elk and cows - it's all prey to them. They are wild creatures - respect them and manage your farm animals differently, as I care about them, too.
californiacat1313 3 years ago
PLEASE SAVE WOLVES!!
valchyna 3 years ago
PLEASE,SEVE WOLVES!!!!!
valchyna 3 years ago
Wolves were re-introduced into Yellowstone in 1995
RDoughty37 3 years ago
save the animals...kill all the redneck humans and their old traditional ways of life... you people should move to a city and buy food from a grocery store...its 2008!
sexualpervert 3 years ago
i dont no were you get your information or your way of unlogical thinking but, the wolf population in montana has skyrocketed, almost to scary heights the wolfs wont hunt elk, or deer anymore they are hunting cows, sheep, goats, and many others. now idk how you make a living but for 5 generations now my family have relied on those animals, + elk deer and other for food $ and a living. wolves are killing more cow than ever. banned troughy hunting? that a sourse of food for my family.
go2delk406 3 years ago
We can save the wolves by boycotting beef,boycotting tourism to Alaska,Mon