I'm sorry, but by the definition used in the first minute or so, there are a number of denominations that wouldn't be considered "Christian". In fact, I'm not entirely sure that Catholicism would be considered "Christian" by this standard. Who exactly has the right to define what being a true Christian really is?
Mormons are some of the nicest people. Psalms 90:2 "..., or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God." According to this verse, how long HAS God been God? Isaiah 44:6 "I am the first, and I am the last, and beside me there is no God." Isaiah 44:8 "Is there a God beside Me? Yea, there is no God, I know not any." Finally, John 4:24 "God is spirit, and has not flesh and bones." Good Every goo Mormon should pray about this.
In the Holy Bible you read of the laying on of hands... and yet this man teaches that you dont even need to be baptized. Doesnt that go against the teachings of Christ?
@knowledge999999999 the thief on the cross wasnt baptized and he went right to heaven.if baptism is a necessacity that would mean infants go hell if they werent baptized.
I think Bible thumpers don´t understand well their own scripture.
Jesus asked to be baptised. If he being absolutely innocent was baptised, with much more reason all of us. Unless you deny he is the example of all of us.
@dorisfenella and who was he speaking to in that chapter? How do you know that those he spoke to were NOT ALREADY Christians? Faith Alone is all that is necessary through belief in our Lord Christ Jesus. Dont take the chapter our of context.
32 Yea, acome unto Christ, and be bperfected in him, and cdeny yourselves of all ungodliness; and if ye shall deny yourselves of all ungodliness, and dlove God with all your might, mind and strength, then is his grace sufficient for you, that by his grace ye may be eperfect in Christ; and if by the grace of God ye are perfect in Christ, ye can in nowise deny the power of God.
You never did mention how you reconcile the teachings of there being many gods and many who became god and will continue to be when the bible says there is one and one alone and none were formed before him and none shall be after him.
May I have your understanding of what you feel is the teaching of the trinity?
There is a difference between god and G-d. In English it is only a capital. But the meaning behind it is much more. So yes... there is a reconciliation between only one G-d and us becoming gods.
The trinity is mans attempt to define who G-d is. And it is a poor one.
"Though there be that are called gods." There are many things that are called gods, but they are not by nature God, such as isis, nimrod, allah and many more, but there is truly only one.
satan and his demons are often referred to as gods....However, in all the universe there is but one God, who created it all. He is the God who always was God. Mormon teaching is that the Father was once as you are now, and as he is you may become. Now if that doesn't teach...
LDS simply teach that you can become like our Father. Just like the bible teaches... that we can do greater works then Jesus that we are joint-heirs with him.
AMEN!! If you are a Mormon please read Isaiah 44 and 45 and you will clearly see that there is ONLY ONE GOD. Several times it says "I am the LORD, and there is no other, there is no God besides Me." You must face the sad truth that your "religion" is leading you straight in to outer darkness where the worm does not die and the fire is not quench. Read God's word. The Bible is the ONLY book that shows mankind how to be saved. "Unless you repent you will all likewise perish." Luke 13:3&5
in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God. The same was in the beginning with God and all things were made by him. And without him was not anything made that was made. John 1.
That's right, the son is not the Father, the father is not the son, and neither of them is the Holy Spirit, but yet, together, they make up the one true God who created all things.
The closest one can come to explaining the trinity in a way that we can understand is when you look at an egg. An egg has a shell, a yolk and the egg white. They each have a different function, but together they make up that one egg. This is much like God.
the son to this earth to die on the cross for our sins, and then we have Christ, who sends the Holy Spirit after his ascension to be a comfort to us.
They each have different functions, but together they are the one true God and there is no other. The bible plainly teaches that there is but one God, that he alone is God and there is none beside him. That there were no Gods formed before him, and neither will there be any formed after him.
How does the Father send the Son when they are one egg... that means the Father would go right along with the Son as they are one... yet we are one with them are we not?
Are they separate or are they one being?
There is one G-d... and there is One Jesus who G-d has sent.
The Son came out of the bosom of the Father and where the son is the Father is also, and where the father is the Father is also there...Jesus said..have I not been so long with you and yet you do not know me? He that hath seen me hath seen the father for he is in the father and the father is in him.
The bible states also that there are three that bear witness in heaven, the Father, Son and holy ghost, these three are one. This is the Godhead...three yet one.
So the Father is in Jesus... and in us? So are we part of that trinity then?
We are said to be one and in G-d just like Jesus is... Can you explain that one... or is it different when we are one with the Father then Jesus is one... this is not reconciling.
So you do believe that there is not one but three... Just like the LDS...
So you worship an egg god? The trinity is so unorthodox and pagan in nature... I don't understand how you can claim that Jesus and G-d are the same but not.
The bible declares the Father is God, the Holy Spirit is God and Jesus is God. Now, the bible declares all three as the creator. The bible also declares, as mentioned in my previous posts, that there is no other God but one. That there is none like him, and that there were no Gods formed before him and neither will be after him.
Those verses cannot be reconciled with the teachings of the mormon church which state that Jesus became god as his father did before him and as..
his father did before him, and that we all have the same chance at becoming gods through obedience and become gods over our own planets etc.
The following verse bluntly speaks against this teaching:
Isa 43:10 Ye [are] my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I [am] he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
No one became a God before him, and none of us will after.
And as I mentioned above, since the bible declares all three to be God the creator and the bible declares there is but One God and only one like him, that shows that they are one and the same God, not three but one.
Your understanding of G-d can not be reconciled with the bible... nor can the bible be reconciled to itself. He is or is not G-d he is or is not the Father? It is double talk.
You are ignoring the fact that the bible states that the Father is God(John 6:47), The son is God(John 1:1), and the Holy Spirit is God(Acts 5:4)...and yet, the bible teaches that there is only one God.
Either the bible is lying and one cannot trust the bible, or the bible teaches the trinity even though our finite minds have a hard time comprehending it.
We are not talking about the Father being G-d. We are talking about us being one and in G-d. So are you claiming that Mark 10:8 does not mean the same?
Tell me, how do you reconcile John 17:21-22 with the trinity?
That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
Keep up the good work Matt! I have gone to CARM many times to start my research on many subjects. I also purchased Logos based on your recommendation.
this is retarded i am Mormon and we are very MUCH Christiane thank you very much and we aren't Mormons that's what other people call us we are the church of Jesus Christ of later day saints we are are Christiane have u read the book of Mormon and prayed about it this guy has no idea what he is talking about and we do believe in the bible so dont bash something that u havent even read so i suggest that u read it and pray about and look back at what u are saying
@sportsluvr98 I hear you. I made a video called "Mormons are Christians Too" to address the most common claims used against mormons to invalidate their use of the term. People are truly ignorant aren't they?
@humanistheart - You can talk all day about what you think, but the sky is still blue. You can try and stand up for yourself until the cows come home. You can try and convince anyone you want, but you will still have the same problem. You won't be able to convince the Lord. We won't be judging you........ HE WILL. You should be more concerned with your own destiny. You are responsible for it. Period.
@cr500blur and he knows if you've been naughty or nice, with a big white beard and a belly full of jelly. Sorry to break it to you, but Santa doesn't exist either.
@sportsluvr98 - Put your persecution card away...it won't work here. Oh, and don't shoot the messenger just because you don't like the message. The sky is blue regardless of what you think. If you're so Christian, hop off your pedestal and go to a real Christian church like a Baptist or non-denominational church. You people are amazingly ignorant. We point out your own history and you call it bashing. Puuuuullleeaasse. We're not about to sit idly by and let you blaspheme the Lord.
anybody who says there is such a thing as a biblical christian is retarded. There was no bible around when the term "Christian" (first a derogatory term) came about. There is no such thing as a biblical christian; Christ did not teach from the bible, but from the holy spirit. idiots
Question - Is Jesus Christ God? If there is only one God - whom did Jesus pray to in the Garden and on on the Cross? Did he pray to himself? He prayed Father forgive them for they know not what they do... ? Or as you state ... Matt: 7: 21-23 but he who does the will of my FATHER in Heaven. Again, I ask - Is Jesus Christ not God? or are you saying that his Father is not God? Who created Satan? When Jesus was Baptized - who said this is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased?
@oc714cal Jesus and God are both God. There is only one God, but He exists in three forms: God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. This is the Trinity. When Jesus was on earth as a man, He prayed to the Father, another part of the Trinity. Satan was created by God as Lucifer, who later became Satan after rebelling against Him. The Father said "this is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased"
@Sk8er408 You are thinking of tri-theism. The trinity is a word codifying the 3 persons, or natures of the One God. The Bible says there is one God. It says Jesus, God, and Holy Spirit are God. (We divide the persons, not the substance.) All 3 raised Jesus from the dead.
This 3 natures is a pagan mythology. It makes the christian god unknown. The bible also calls us God the same way it calls Jesus. Or it says we are one with God like Jesus is. Or did you miss that part? I guess you take one literal and the other figurative right?
@Sk8er408 Read the whole Bible literally, as literature towards it's intended audience. The Trinity is what keeps us from saying that Jesus is A) Not God. (Gnosticism), B) that there are 3 gods as mormonism teaches. C) Jesus is the Father, Holy Spirit and Son. D) And finally Arius' teachings exemplified by the Jehovahs Witnesses.
The LDS do not teach there are three gods any more then the trinity. You are confused and delusional... Or just deceived by your youth pastor... what is it?
Jesus is the Father HS and Son just as much as we are.
The trinity states that the son is not the father.... so how is that not three gods any more then what the LDS believe... that their is one God (the Father) and that his Son and the Spirit represent him. It is easier to understand once you realize that we are fallen form God's presence and it has always been the Mediator (the Son) that we have been dealing with.
You are trying to figure it out by human standards. God is greater than anything we can even possibly comprehend in human knowledge. The easiest way we can possibly comprehend is by looking at an egg. An egg is comprised of three parts...the shell, the white and the yolk, but together they make up 1 egg and not three, yet all three have different functions but all work together.
In the godhead, there are three persons...the father, son and holy Spirit. They have different duties....
Isa 43:10 Ye [are] my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I [am] he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
There was no God formed before our God, and their shall be none formed after him. The progression to godhood that mormons teach about goes directly against the scriptures.
See... what you refuse to understand is this is Jesus talking for his Father. and we still have not known any God but him as we are all fallen and until we are brought back to God by the grace of his Son we will still not know him.
I believe in a God we know, but you in your finite mind can only comprehend what our own brains can handle. We have what is called a limited knowledge, and only when we finally see God will we comprehend everything about him. We don't even understand everything about our universe, yet some presume they know everything about God?
We know some of by which we are shown through Christ. He was the visible of the invisible. Make no mistake though, the scriptures teach that Jesus is God.
He's not only speaking for the Father, he is the creator. He was in the beginning with the Father and the Spirit when the worlds were created. Bible says there are three that bear witness in heaven...the father, the son, and the holy Spirit. John 1 says
In the beginning was the word and the word was with God, and the word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him, and without him was not anything made that was made.
We know him because his Spirit lives within us, but that is not the same as comprehending everything about him. We are continuously learning about him, and some parts of him still blow the mind because his ways are so much greater than ours and his thoughts are greater than our thoughts.
@Sk8er408 I don't think being with someone when they create something means you create it. If you paint something and I'm there am I the creator of your painting?
@Myhopeisinhim The easiest way we can possibly comprehend is by looking at an egg.
so you worship an egggod?
I've already expalined the "easiest way" and it is understanding that Jesus was the mediator form the beginning when Adam fell from the presence of God. Since then our dealings with God was with the Mediator. He brings us back to his Father. everying else is hocus pocus.
@Sk8er408 TRUTH: Jesus is YHWH the Son. In Him dwells the fullness of deity bodily, and He is full of grace and truth, as YHWH the Father is. If you have seen Me you have seen the Father, Before Abraham I was. (EGO EMI.). The Almighty (Revelation 1)
1 Cor 13:12 Right now we only know in part, but will soon fully know. Without Him being fully divine, & fully human the sacrifice would be insufficient, and He could not mediate as Immanu-EL/theanthropos.
See... we have never known the Father we have always had Jesus or YHWH as our mediator to God from the beginning. and now we pray to God in the name of Jesus...
@cr500blur I wish you took the time to read my points more carefully. I think I am on the same side as you. I am a Christian, and I am certainly not a Mormon. I hold to the Trinity which teaches there is One God, and 3 personal distinctions within the Godhead. And yes there are several verses in the Bible that say all 3 members of the Trinity raised Jesus. Romans 8:11(The Spirit); John 2:19(The Son); Acts 2:32 (God raised Jesus). Jesus is clearly YHWH the Son He is God/Immanu-EL. 1What, 3Who's.
@colinb890 - Sorry Colin, I got confused by your comment about us being similar to The Father and the Son or something like that. As far as the trinity goes, it may be impossible to understand exactly how the trinity exists, but it doesn't matter in the end. John 14:6 is more important than everyone down here arguing over disagreements on interpretation. This is what really matters.
@Sk8er408 What I have given you is minor proof of the full deity of Jesus. I could provide you with much more, with Hebrew, and Greek texts. Before you make dogmatic assertions about the Trinity being pagan I would encourage you to research it for yourself. Read 'Jesus as God' by Murray Harris which explores the word 'Theos' associated with Jesus in the NT, or a less academic book is 'Putting Jesus in His place' by Robert M Bowman.
@Sk8er408 When you are ready for a real discussion I do have alot of experience defending the trinity. I know exactly what Mormons teach. You teach God the Father had sexual relations with the virgin Mary bringing Jesus into existence thus making Jesus not co-eternal with the Father, and that we also have a heavenly mother. If Jesus is not co-eternal with the Father He is created therefore not God since God will not share His glory with another. Isa 42:8
I'm not LDS. And no they do not teach that God has sex wtih anyone. This is what is called propaganda that youth pastors use to brainwash kids with. They do believe that not only God and Jesus are eternal but all of the children of God are eternal. They believe that Jesus was YHWH before his birth and that he was and still is the mediator between God and man from the beginning. This is why people are confused about the whole trinity as Jesus stood in for God in the OT.
@colinb890 - wrong again...all too common with you. You should get your facts, all of your facts straight first. Jesus (Jehoshua) raised Himself. You have a problem. If you are mormon most likely you are not Christian. You cannot serve man and God together. You can try all day long to justify your incorrect stance and you will still be incorrect. Isaiah 43:10, 44:6, 44:8 will be your undoing.
@cr500blur For future defence of your faith. The word Trinity is not in the Bible which is totally irrelevant. We look for the concept to be taught which it clearly is. The word Bible isn't in the Bible either, it sums up what it is. Tell your LDS friends that Latter Day Saints isn't in the Bible either, or the JW's that Watchtower, Bible&Tract Society isn't either, yet they still use the terms. They will love that. The word Trinity comes from the Latin noun Trinitas which means "3 are 1."
@cr500blur BTW: Please quit watching videos about people's visions of hell, or even heaven! It's unhealthy. These are subjective experiences they are taking, and trying to make them objective for the rest of us. Test all things (according to scripture), and hold fast to that which is good. Be a relevant, reproducing Christian.
@colinb890 - Now, colin, you are dead wrong. Instead of me building a case against your comment, you should study visions and what the Bible has to say. God did NOT tell us everything we would ever need to know in the Bible. Much of it has to be grounded in faith. But, since the world is headed for hell, He is giving us more opportunities to spread the Word. This Word INCLUDES everything about hell too. Even though the Bible talks about it, it's not enough to convince the masses.
@TheDarkSchnooky So... you are saying that he prayed to himself? Hmmm does not sound right/logical. I would say that Jesus prayed to his/our Father in Heaven. Just the same are you saying that the Father said to himself - this is my beloved Son .... I don't think so. It was God the Father speaking to and about his Son Jesus Christ. God the Father, His Son Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost are three separate personages that are one in purpose - but they are not all the same being.
@TheDarkSchnooky So... you are saying that he prayed to himself? Hmmm does not sound right/logical. I would say that Jesus prayed to his/our Father in Heaven. Just the same are you saying that the Father said to himself - this is my beloved Son .... I don't think so. It was God the Father speaking to and about his Son Jesus Christ. God the Father, His Son Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost are three separate personages that are one in purpose - but they are not all the same being.
@oc714cal - Isaiah 43:10. Remember........ you will die alone, and HE will hold you accountable. Eternal death in hell is quite a price to pay for arrogance. The Bible or Joey. You get to decide, but make no mistake. It's a big one.
@cr500blur Dear cr500blur, Isaiah 43:10 is Jesus Christ (still in Heaven/not yet mortal) declaring to his chosen people of his Godhood and that he will judge all. If you read the WHOLE chapter the understanding of that verse becomes clear. In Is 43:11 he continues to clarify verse 10 ( I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.). The Lord has always directed his true church via a Prophet. I am grateful for the restored gospel of Jesus Christ - just as it was when he directed it.
@oc714cal just as he directed it when he walked with man. Now as he did prior to coming to earth - he directs his church thru his prophet. Today his living prophet is Thomas S. Monson. Cr500blur - there is some good news for you: The Lord will not condemn you to hell for your ignorance and even better news for you is that his whole gospel is available to you via his church - The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints.
@oc714cal - The church of Jesus Christ is the whole of the body of believers, regardless of the denomination or building. God doesn't require a prophet after offering His Son. John 14:6 says it all. No man can replace or stand in for Jesus. That is all blasphemy, and He won't forget it. God WILL condemn you and all that are a part of an accursed gospel. Only believing Christians are saved, and it is never too late to GET SAVED. It's your choice and you WILL be held accountable. Hurry.
@cr500blur The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints is directed and guided by Jesus Christ. He speaks thru his prophet just as he has always done. You are mistaken - ALL will be saved (as you put it). Jesus saith unto him, I am the away, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. All will know that Christ is the worlds savior. And sadly, after the death of Peter and the apostles ... Christ's true gospel was lost and did need to be restored. That was done threw J.Sm
@oc714cal - The church of Jesus Christ IS directed by Jesus. He speaks to His believers thru the Holy Spirit and no man is above another, especially some false prophet of an accursed org. All are DEFINITELY not saved, as it says in Matt 7:13-14. Do you not read the Bible? What makes you think the true gospel was lost? It's been here for 2000 years. Where have you been? In a coma? Joey Smith was a pedophile, kicked out of every state, and was a treasure hunter. This is ALL documented.
@oc714cal - You're not paying attention Oc714. The Bible was not written in English...It's Hebrew and Greek. The word for 'Lord' in verse 10 and 11 is Yehovah from YHWH, the true and proper name of God. Just like Jesus saying in John 10:30 that He and the Father are one, Isaiah shows that Jesus and God were in commune before Jesus was born of a virgin thru the Holy Spirit. Basically, the Father was telling us that He was one and only, and you STILL don't believe. Restored? It never ended.
@cr500blur It is you who misunderstand. In John 10:30 Christ is stating that he and his/our Father are one ... in PURPOSE - not in being. We (God's Children) are created in God's own image. Jesus is Heavenly Fathers son. He is a separate being doing the will of the Father. The Holy Ghost is a separate being doing the will of the Father. They are all part of the Godhead. The gospel that Christ taught significantly changed/distorted after the death of his apostles. A restoration was needed anddone
@oc714cal - Misunderstand? What would that be? One in purpose? Sorry, that is not what it says.... ANYWHERE. You and everyone else don't get to read your own beliefs into scripture. You can't really expect to debate scripture in the Bible if you are going to cherry-pick and make things up out of thin air. You are a great example of people who can't understand the supernatural and then decide for yourself. Sorry, it's not up to you or the false prophets. God doesn't make mistakes...
I'm wrong but for some reason you think your out of context and half quotes of your infallible bible backs up your opinion. Sorry... but you are only deceiving yourself.
@Sk8er408 - Wrong? Probably, you're very good at it. Out of context and half quotes? Name one.
Infallible Bible? There's your problem. Instead of saying stoopid things, as always, prove it. Show some iota of intelligence and break out the evidence. Otherwise, you're just another big-talkin' internet nimrod.
Only slightly stoopid. Yet you are the one talking the smack none stop. I've showed you your error more then once.... it is not my fault you can not keep track.
@oc714cal Yes youre a little confused! Simply Christians believe Jesus is full human AND fully divine. He had all human emotion, suffered pain, ate, drank, laughed & wept. Fully human. but he was also fully divine - he forgave sin, performed miracles, accepted worship - things that only God could do - all in his OWN name.So there are both aspects to his life - divine and human. When he prayed he prayed to the Father - but as prayer is a 2-way thing, equally we can say the Father prayed to him.
@MrJayguess I agree that Jesus Christ is both man and a God. I also agree that prayer is a two way communication. However I believe that prayer is worship - that God the Father does speak to and guide his children. God the Father doesn't pray or worship Christ or anyone else. It is He/God the Father that we all worship and pray to. Christ our Savior and perfect example also worshiped and prayed to his Father who art in Heaven. He was not praying to himself - that is ridiculous.
@oc714cal Absolutely. But, as you concur, prayer is a 2-way communication, and so if jesus is communicating with the Father, then the Father is also communicating with Jesus. Not ridiculous at all. However, on EARTH Jesus submitted to His Father's will having emptied himself of his divinity:
@MrJayguess Heavenly Father communicates to his children (Christ included) but He does not pray to us - we pray (worship) him. It is different and not the same. I never said that Christ was not a God. He is part of the Godhead. Christ chose to come to earth - to be born as man - to teach and to fulfill the Atonement. This was the plan that we all chose to follow in heaven. Only Christ's perfect Atonement would allow us to come unto the Father's presents again. They are 2 sep beings.
@MrJayguess if you read on to verses 9-11 (*especially 11) 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Christ serves his Father and he also serves mankind. He taught us and showed us by example to worship his Father. The Atonement in which you speak was part of the plan of happiness that we all chose to follow in heaven. We come to earth to learn and be tested and thru Christ's atonement all mankind may be saved regardless
Its not for me to say that this minister who attacks my faith is unchristian but rather I would encourage men to investigate the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and to discover that it is indeed Christian no matter what men may say. In conclusion Matthew 7:21 - 23, does this not well support our belief that a mans obedience indeed does matter and that Grace would not allow a wicked man to dwell with God. Man is indeed saved by Grace but cannot be exalted by grace alone.
One of the clearest illustrations of the Godhead being distinct individuals working as one is found in Stephens vision in Acts 2:3 where he sees Christ standing on the right hand side of God exalted.
More Scriptures of interest.Matthew 26:39,42 also verse 29. Luke 2:49 His Fathers business, not His own. A very interesting verse is in John 17:21 which dismisses the general confusion about this and also helps one understand why there exist in the mind of men confusion on this subject as men have depended on human interpretation and not turned to God for counsel.
Inn The Lords Prayer in Matthew 6:9 Christ prays "Our Father which art in heaven,Hallowed be thy name" Thy and why not me? If I understand you right it should read my name, not thy name? Was He praying to himself and why "Our". This tell me so much, He is "our" brother and was He also not a man? Did He not suffer as men do and die as men do? His Godly status not ignored and that we Should follow Him.
Matthew 5:48. Which Father was Christ referring to, He did not after all say be ye perfect even as I am , did He ? And then where is Heaven seeing that Christ was amongst men on Earth when He gave men this instruction. Was this about His own will or His Fathers will.?
A few verses I would very much like you to explain.Matthew 3:7 Was Christ saying to himself that He is his own beloved Son and that He is pleased in himself? On earth we consider such a person to be suffering from a serious mental condition but I believe the words are simple and that Christ is indeed Heavenly Fathers Son and that He is well pleased with Him for being a perfect Son, being obedient in all things.
Firstly I am a Mormon and I am a Christian, I believe in Christ, acknowledge His great example and wish to follow Him in my life. To say I am not Christian because I do not have the same beliefs as some other Christian groups have is not only offensive but false.
Carm is not trying to attack you, your character or the sincerity of your beliefs, Carm is just here to tell you you're going to burn in hell because you don't believe like we do.
Wow what a slimy little piece of work you are. You've come bolting out of the blocks trying to twist what I've said into something much more sinister. This speaks volumes about your integrity. Are you a Mormon? Don't you believe what the Mormon Church teaches? Because what it teaches opposes scripture. What is wrong with pointing out the fact that if you follow their teachings YOU reject the grace of God for a legalistic "gospel" which is no gospel at all? And you are NOT my brother.
For someone who is not LDS, you sure sound like a Mormon. And I didn't misrepresent 2 Nephi 25:23, I quoted it. This verse most certainly is teaching something quite different from what Paul spends so much time teaching in his Epistles. It is the Mormon gospel that is legalistic, not the gospel as we find it in the New Testament. Unless you are born again, you are not my brother.
@Keruaran "You seriously expect me to read through and respond" - No I don't really expect Evangelicals can read. I told you on this thread I was sending you the messages before I sent them because the topic of the Great Apostasy is a vast topic. Sorry I can't condense it to a bumper sticker or to a "Can I get an Amen" Ted Haggard hell fire sermon for you.
You told me you were sending a private message. You didn't say you were sending four stupidly long diatribes that amount to nothing more than a total lack of respect for the person you're sending the messages to. And you try to mask your rudeness with pathetically smarmy comments like this one. And I'm not an Evangelical either.
In my opinion, 90% of Mormons do not understand the writings in The Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants and Pearl of Great Price. The 10% that do understand these writings left the LDS church.
If you search around YouTube you will see many videos captioned; "...and I'm a Mormon". If you post a negative comment at any of these "...and I'm a Mormon" videos it will never be displayed.
At the present time there is a concerted effort by Mormons to be accepted as Christians. Mormonism is not Christian, it is nothing but a cult founded by a false prophet.
Someone should tell this uneducated Evangelical making the video that the name "Christian" is not mentioned in the Bible. In fact the label "Christian" was given to the followers of Christ by people who hated Christ as a derogatory term like the label "Mormon" was given by anti-Mormons. People who have actually read the Bible (like Mormons) know the follows of Christ where called Saints in the Bible. Therefore "Mormons" are "Saints" or true followers of Jesus Christ.
@EscapeNewJersey Acts 11:26 is the likely the first use of the term "Christian" in writing. The name isn't important though, its the beliefs. The Christ of mormonism clearly isn't the same as the Christ of the new testament.
@rm2kmidi Thats true, "mainstream christianity" is apostate. The LDS church is true ancient "Christianity". The "Christ" of "mainstream christianity" has been altered to conform to the ideas of pagan Greek Philosophy. The Bible (correctly understood and interpreted) and the ancient Christian fathers in the first and second century A.D. agreed with LDS doctrine. I have proof of this. Give me an example of a LDS doctrine that you think in"unchristian" or not supported in the Bible.
Claim: "the name "Christian" is not mentioned in the Bible".
Response: "the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch" (Acts 11:26). "Agrippa replied to Paul, "In a short time you will persuade me to become a Christian."" (Acts 26:28). "but if anyone suffers as a Christian, he is not to be ashamed, but is to glorify God in this name" (1st Peter 4:16).
If you can't even get basic facts like this right what value is there in any other claim you make?
@lilbeaveymac We are saints because we are true followers of Christ. The LDS church has the true restored Gospel with the true priesthood and temple ordinances.
@lilbeaveymac Well that should tell you something! Just because you don't have the priesthood, prophets, new scripture, temple ordinances does not mean that they are unnecessary.
@Keruaran If a man gets a fullness of the priesthood of God, he has to get it in the same way that Jesus Christ obtained it, and that was by keeping all the commandments and obeying all the ordinances of the house of the Lord. All men who become heirs of God and joint-heirs with Jesus Christ will have to receive the fullness of the ordinances of his kingdom.
You have just revealed that you have no idea who Jesus Christ is nor what He did in dying on a cross. And you have revealed that you do not understand the gospel at all; not even a most basic understanding. Your laws and ordinances are meaningless and will never make you righteous or justify you before a Holy God.
I'm sorry, but by the definition used in the first minute or so, there are a number of denominations that wouldn't be considered "Christian". In fact, I'm not entirely sure that Catholicism would be considered "Christian" by this standard. Who exactly has the right to define what being a true Christian really is?
crucisnh 1 day ago
Faith compels us to do good works and to be obedient to God. Look at James 2:17-18
Mormons are too Christian
LDSdevilboy4193 4 days ago
Mormons are some of the nicest people. Psalms 90:2 "..., or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God." According to this verse, how long HAS God been God? Isaiah 44:6 "I am the first, and I am the last, and beside me there is no God." Isaiah 44:8 "Is there a God beside Me? Yea, there is no God, I know not any." Finally, John 4:24 "God is spirit, and has not flesh and bones." Good Every goo Mormon should pray about this.
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Believe in "Another Testament"....Then you'll be ready to believe and accept anything! Ready, set, go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MultiBudboy 2 weeks ago
MORMONISM IS A CHRISTIAN READ THE WHOLE NAME OF OUR CHURCH OKAY DO SOME REAL RESEARCH THEN SPEAK YOUR NOTHING BUT B.S
irietuumalo 2 weeks ago 2
In the Holy Bible you read of the laying on of hands... and yet this man teaches that you dont even need to be baptized. Doesnt that go against the teachings of Christ?
knowledge999999999 3 weeks ago
@knowledge999999999 the thief on the cross wasnt baptized and he went right to heaven.if baptism is a necessacity that would mean infants go hell if they werent baptized.
lilbeaveymac 2 weeks ago
@lilbeaveymac Mark 16:16 says he that 1. Believes, AND is 2. Baptized shall be saved.
John 3:5 says he that is born of the water (baptism) and the spirit (the gift of the Holy Ghost) shall be saved.
Pretty clear.
Also 1 Peter says "Baptism now doth also save us"
dorisfenella 2 weeks ago
@dorisfenella youn are reading it out of context.any educated christian will tell you baptism is not necessary .
lilbeaveymac 2 weeks ago
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dorisfenella 2 weeks ago
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@lilbeaveymac "baptism is not necessary ."
I think Bible thumpers don´t understand well their own scripture.
Jesus asked to be baptised. If he being absolutely innocent was baptised, with much more reason all of us. Unless you deny he is the example of all of us.
dorisfenella 2 weeks ago
@dorisfenella and who was he speaking to in that chapter? How do you know that those he spoke to were NOT ALREADY Christians? Faith Alone is all that is necessary through belief in our Lord Christ Jesus. Dont take the chapter our of context.
aigamataafa12 16 hours ago
@aigamataafa12 Who are you?Identify yourself I know who is lilbeaveymac.
dorisfenella 3 hours ago
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"Mormon Jesus" is the sign to recognise a pharisee.
Who mention that is one.
dorisfenella 3 weeks ago
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MORONI 10
32 Yea, acome unto Christ, and be bperfected in him, and cdeny yourselves of all ungodliness; and if ye shall deny yourselves of all ungodliness, and dlove God with all your might, mind and strength, then is his grace sufficient for you, that by his grace ye may be eperfect in Christ; and if by the grace of God ye are perfect in Christ, ye can in nowise deny the power of God.
dorisfenella 3 weeks ago
@sk8er408
You never did mention how you reconcile the teachings of there being many gods and many who became god and will continue to be when the bible says there is one and one alone and none were formed before him and none shall be after him.
May I have your understanding of what you feel is the teaching of the trinity?
Myhopeisinhim 1 month ago
@Myhopeisinhim
There is a difference between god and G-d. In English it is only a capital. But the meaning behind it is much more. So yes... there is a reconciliation between only one G-d and us becoming gods.
The trinity is mans attempt to define who G-d is. And it is a poor one.
Sk8er408 4 weeks ago
@Sk8er408
"Though there be that are called gods." There are many things that are called gods, but they are not by nature God, such as isis, nimrod, allah and many more, but there is truly only one.
satan and his demons are often referred to as gods....However, in all the universe there is but one God, who created it all. He is the God who always was God. Mormon teaching is that the Father was once as you are now, and as he is you may become. Now if that doesn't teach...
Myhopeisinhim 4 weeks ago
that you can become the same type of God during the same type of progress the heavenly father already did, then I don't know what does.
Mormonism teaches you can become exactly the same type of God the Father is and that is not a biblical teaching.
Myhopeisinhim 4 weeks ago
@Myhopeisinhim
LDS simply teach that you can become like our Father. Just like the bible teaches... that we can do greater works then Jesus that we are joint-heirs with him.
What do you think that means?
Sk8er408 4 weeks ago
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@Myhopeisinhim Mormon teaching is that the Father was once as you are now, and as he is you may become. Now if that doesn't teach...
the trinity teaches the same thing... so this really baffles me why this is an issue with people that believe in the trinity.
Sk8er408 4 weeks ago
False
motherjerker 1 month ago
@sniggaslayaz
Can you know you're saved? and, what must you do to be saved? When does one receive the Holy Spirit?
Myhopeisinhim 1 month ago
@Myhopeisinhim
Sure you can know you are saved. Cause you are filled with the Spirit. Yet you can deny that spirit and fall.
Jesus teaches that we must do whatever he commands (John 15:12-14).
When they accept Jesus.
Sk8er408 1 month ago
seriosly take the second m out of the word mormon and you will get a word that sums them up perfectly
zoroisabeast 1 month ago
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Myhopeisinhim 1 month ago
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Myhopeisinhim 1 month ago
AMEN!! If you are a Mormon please read Isaiah 44 and 45 and you will clearly see that there is ONLY ONE GOD. Several times it says "I am the LORD, and there is no other, there is no God besides Me." You must face the sad truth that your "religion" is leading you straight in to outer darkness where the worm does not die and the fire is not quench. Read God's word. The Bible is the ONLY book that shows mankind how to be saved. "Unless you repent you will all likewise perish." Luke 13:3&5
WalkintheSpiritGal5 1 month ago
@WalkintheSpiritGal5
So who is Jesus talking about if he is G-d? If there is only one G-d why do we have the Father Son and Spirit? Isn't that three?
Sk8er408 1 month ago
@sk8er408
in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God. The same was in the beginning with God and all things were made by him. And without him was not anything made that was made. John 1.
Jesus is God.
Myhopeisinhim 1 month ago
@Myhopeisinhim
Yet The Son is not the Father... so explain that one.
Sk8er408 1 month ago
@Sk8er408
That's right, the son is not the Father, the father is not the son, and neither of them is the Holy Spirit, but yet, together, they make up the one true God who created all things.
The closest one can come to explaining the trinity in a way that we can understand is when you look at an egg. An egg has a shell, a yolk and the egg white. They each have a different function, but together they make up that one egg. This is much like God.
We have the Father who sent...
Myhopeisinhim 1 month ago
the son to this earth to die on the cross for our sins, and then we have Christ, who sends the Holy Spirit after his ascension to be a comfort to us.
They each have different functions, but together they are the one true God and there is no other. The bible plainly teaches that there is but one God, that he alone is God and there is none beside him. That there were no Gods formed before him, and neither will there be any formed after him.
Myhopeisinhim 1 month ago
@Myhopeisinhim
How does the Father send the Son when they are one egg... that means the Father would go right along with the Son as they are one... yet we are one with them are we not?
Are they separate or are they one being?
There is one G-d... and there is One Jesus who G-d has sent.
Sk8er408 1 month ago
@Sk8er408
The Son came out of the bosom of the Father and where the son is the Father is also, and where the father is the Father is also there...Jesus said..have I not been so long with you and yet you do not know me? He that hath seen me hath seen the father for he is in the father and the father is in him.
The bible states also that there are three that bear witness in heaven, the Father, Son and holy ghost, these three are one. This is the Godhead...three yet one.
Myhopeisinhim 1 month ago
@Myhopeisinhim
So the Father is in Jesus... and in us? So are we part of that trinity then?
We are said to be one and in G-d just like Jesus is... Can you explain that one... or is it different when we are one with the Father then Jesus is one... this is not reconciling.
Sk8er408 1 month ago
@Myhopeisinhim
So you do believe that there is not one but three... Just like the LDS...
So you worship an egg god? The trinity is so unorthodox and pagan in nature... I don't understand how you can claim that Jesus and G-d are the same but not.
Sk8er408 1 month ago
@Sk8er408
The bible declares the Father is God, the Holy Spirit is God and Jesus is God. Now, the bible declares all three as the creator. The bible also declares, as mentioned in my previous posts, that there is no other God but one. That there is none like him, and that there were no Gods formed before him and neither will be after him.
Those verses cannot be reconciled with the teachings of the mormon church which state that Jesus became god as his father did before him and as..
Myhopeisinhim 1 month ago
his father did before him, and that we all have the same chance at becoming gods through obedience and become gods over our own planets etc.
The following verse bluntly speaks against this teaching:
Isa 43:10 Ye [are] my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I [am] he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
No one became a God before him, and none of us will after.
Myhopeisinhim 1 month ago
And as I mentioned above, since the bible declares all three to be God the creator and the bible declares there is but One God and only one like him, that shows that they are one and the same God, not three but one.
Myhopeisinhim 1 month ago
@Myhopeisinhim
Your understanding of G-d can not be reconciled with the bible... nor can the bible be reconciled to itself. He is or is not G-d he is or is not the Father? It is double talk.
Can you honestly claim you are one with G-d?
Sk8er408 1 month ago
@Sk8er408
You are ignoring the fact that the bible states that the Father is God(John 6:47), The son is God(John 1:1), and the Holy Spirit is God(Acts 5:4)...and yet, the bible teaches that there is only one God.
Either the bible is lying and one cannot trust the bible, or the bible teaches the trinity even though our finite minds have a hard time comprehending it.
Myhopeisinhim 1 month ago
@Myhopeisinhim
We are not talking about the Father being G-d. We are talking about us being one and in G-d. So are you claiming that Mark 10:8 does not mean the same?
Tell me, how do you reconcile John 17:21-22 with the trinity?
That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
Sk8er408 1 month ago
Did you decide what the "essential" doctrines are? Everything you say is your interpretation.
LDStothecore 1 month ago
Seek truth for yourself.
Check out mormon dot org to see for yourself what LDS really believe.
Study and pray. Trust in God alone for truth.
TheOriginalAnalogKid 1 month ago
@sk8er408
do you believe thet are separate Gods?
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
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@Myhopeisinhim
they are as separate as you and me. But there is only one God. Even Jesus knows he is not God but his Father is.
Sk8er408 1 month ago
Keep up the good work Matt! I have gone to CARM many times to start my research on many subjects. I also purchased Logos based on your recommendation.
Called2Worship 2 months ago
Dear brother in Christ, I sent you a video responce for my lost 'Mormon Family'. I hope you can use it. GREAT CARM VIDEOS, BTW!
josephsmithwashere 2 months ago
this is retarded i am Mormon and we are very MUCH Christiane thank you very much and we aren't Mormons that's what other people call us we are the church of Jesus Christ of later day saints we are are Christiane have u read the book of Mormon and prayed about it this guy has no idea what he is talking about and we do believe in the bible so dont bash something that u havent even read so i suggest that u read it and pray about and look back at what u are saying
sportsluvr98 3 months ago
@sportsluvr98 faith based on a "warm feeling" that comes from your "heart", falls very quickly.
IvyNex 2 months ago
@sportsluvr98 I hear you. I made a video called "Mormons are Christians Too" to address the most common claims used against mormons to invalidate their use of the term. People are truly ignorant aren't they?
humanistheart 2 months ago
@humanistheart - You can talk all day about what you think, but the sky is still blue. You can try and stand up for yourself until the cows come home. You can try and convince anyone you want, but you will still have the same problem. You won't be able to convince the Lord. We won't be judging you........ HE WILL. You should be more concerned with your own destiny. You are responsible for it. Period.
cr500blur 2 months ago in playlist More videos from carmvideos
@cr500blur The lord doesn't exist, so no problem there.
humanistheart 2 months ago
@humanistheart - remember...He is watching and recording and watching everything you do...
cr500blur 2 months ago
@cr500blur and he knows if you've been naughty or nice, with a big white beard and a belly full of jelly. Sorry to break it to you, but Santa doesn't exist either.
humanistheart 2 months ago
@humanistheart - ahhhhh, to see your face of shock when you find out how frickin wrong you are... priceless.
cr500blur 2 months ago
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@cr500blur "Love your enemies; bless them that curse you,"
Looks like you'd be joining me in hell if it were true. Luck;y for you it's not.
humanistheart 2 months ago
@sportsluvr98 - Put your persecution card away...it won't work here. Oh, and don't shoot the messenger just because you don't like the message. The sky is blue regardless of what you think. If you're so Christian, hop off your pedestal and go to a real Christian church like a Baptist or non-denominational church. You people are amazingly ignorant. We point out your own history and you call it bashing. Puuuuullleeaasse. We're not about to sit idly by and let you blaspheme the Lord.
cr500blur 2 months ago in playlist More videos from carmvideos
anybody who says there is such a thing as a biblical christian is retarded. There was no bible around when the term "Christian" (first a derogatory term) came about. There is no such thing as a biblical christian; Christ did not teach from the bible, but from the holy spirit. idiots
tehuberleetmaster 3 months ago 2
Question - Is Jesus Christ God? If there is only one God - whom did Jesus pray to in the Garden and on on the Cross? Did he pray to himself? He prayed Father forgive them for they know not what they do... ? Or as you state ... Matt: 7: 21-23 but he who does the will of my FATHER in Heaven. Again, I ask - Is Jesus Christ not God? or are you saying that his Father is not God? Who created Satan? When Jesus was Baptized - who said this is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased?
I am confused?
oc714cal 3 months ago
@oc714cal read...
carm.org/questions-if-jesus-god-then-who-did-he-pray
carmvideos 3 months ago
@carmvideos nice, page not found
tehuberleetmaster 3 months ago
@oc714cal Jesus and God are both God. There is only one God, but He exists in three forms: God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. This is the Trinity. When Jesus was on earth as a man, He prayed to the Father, another part of the Trinity. Satan was created by God as Lucifer, who later became Satan after rebelling against Him. The Father said "this is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased"
TheDarkSchnooky 3 months ago
@TheDarkSchnooky
the trinity is greek philosophy trying to describe the Hebrew God... It is not christian but pagan in roots.
The nicene creed also states that Jesus was made... or did you not know that?
Sk8er408 3 months ago
@Sk8er408 You are thinking of tri-theism. The trinity is a word codifying the 3 persons, or natures of the One God. The Bible says there is one God. It says Jesus, God, and Holy Spirit are God. (We divide the persons, not the substance.) All 3 raised Jesus from the dead.
colinb890 3 months ago
@colinb890
This 3 natures is a pagan mythology. It makes the christian god unknown. The bible also calls us God the same way it calls Jesus. Or it says we are one with God like Jesus is. Or did you miss that part? I guess you take one literal and the other figurative right?
Sk8er408 3 months ago
@Sk8er408 Read the whole Bible literally, as literature towards it's intended audience. The Trinity is what keeps us from saying that Jesus is A) Not God. (Gnosticism), B) that there are 3 gods as mormonism teaches. C) Jesus is the Father, Holy Spirit and Son. D) And finally Arius' teachings exemplified by the Jehovahs Witnesses.
colinb890 3 months ago
@colinb890
The LDS do not teach there are three gods any more then the trinity. You are confused and delusional... Or just deceived by your youth pastor... what is it?
Jesus is the Father HS and Son just as much as we are.
Sk8er408 3 months ago
@Sk8er408 - wrong, as usual...thanks for playing...
cr500blur 2 months ago
@cr500blur
Like you are ever right....
Sk8er408 2 months ago
@Sk8er408 - 99% of the time. It's easy to have that kind of record when one goes by the facts as opposed to an opinion or agenda.
cr500blur 2 months ago
@cr500blur
If you want we can start taking score. One topic at a time... what do you got that i need to skool you on lil boy?
Sk8er408 2 months ago
@Sk8er408 - Here yuh go simpleton...
"The LDS do not teach there are three gods any more then the trinity."
Explain that one, little girl. Oops, sorry, it's after your bedtime. Time to go suck your thumb...
cr500blur 2 months ago
@cr500blur
The trinity states that the son is not the father.... so how is that not three gods any more then what the LDS believe... that their is one God (the Father) and that his Son and the Spirit represent him. It is easier to understand once you realize that we are fallen form God's presence and it has always been the Mediator (the Son) that we have been dealing with.
Sk8er408 2 months ago
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Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
You are trying to figure it out by human standards. God is greater than anything we can even possibly comprehend in human knowledge. The easiest way we can possibly comprehend is by looking at an egg. An egg is comprised of three parts...the shell, the white and the yolk, but together they make up 1 egg and not three, yet all three have different functions but all work together.
In the godhead, there are three persons...the father, son and holy Spirit. They have different duties....
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
but make up the one true God just like the egg has three parts but make up one egg. The bible explicitly states that there is but one God:
Isa 45:5 I [am] the LORD, and [there is] none else, [there is] no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
Isa 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I [am] God, and [there is] none else; [I am] God, and [there is] none like me
The one verse that all mormons need to read is:
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
Isa 43:10 Ye [are] my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I [am] he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
There was no God formed before our God, and their shall be none formed after him. The progression to godhood that mormons teach about goes directly against the scriptures.
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim
See... what you refuse to understand is this is Jesus talking for his Father. and we still have not known any God but him as we are all fallen and until we are brought back to God by the grace of his Son we will still not know him.
Sk8er408 2 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim God is greater than anything we can even possibly comprehend in human knowledge.
really? so you believe in an UNKNOWN god?
Sk8er408 2 months ago
@Sk8er408
I believe in a God we know, but you in your finite mind can only comprehend what our own brains can handle. We have what is called a limited knowledge, and only when we finally see God will we comprehend everything about him. We don't even understand everything about our universe, yet some presume they know everything about God?
We know some of by which we are shown through Christ. He was the visible of the invisible. Make no mistake though, the scriptures teach that Jesus is God.
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
He's not only speaking for the Father, he is the creator. He was in the beginning with the Father and the Spirit when the worlds were created. Bible says there are three that bear witness in heaven...the father, the son, and the holy Spirit. John 1 says
In the beginning was the word and the word was with God, and the word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him, and without him was not anything made that was made.
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
We know him because his Spirit lives within us, but that is not the same as comprehending everything about him. We are continuously learning about him, and some parts of him still blow the mind because his ways are so much greater than ours and his thoughts are greater than our thoughts.
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim
He is the creator as he was with the Father during the creation.
Sk8er408 2 months ago
@Sk8er408 I don't think being with someone when they create something means you create it. If you paint something and I'm there am I the creator of your painting?
humanistheart 1 month ago
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@humanistheart
They both took part then.
Sk8er408 1 month ago
@Myhopeisinhim
I've never claimed to know everything about God... Just more then you.
Yes Jesus is God... Yet he is not the Father.
Sk8er408 2 months ago
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@Myhopeisinhim The easiest way we can possibly comprehend is by looking at an egg.
so you worship an egggod?
I've already expalined the "easiest way" and it is understanding that Jesus was the mediator form the beginning when Adam fell from the presence of God. Since then our dealings with God was with the Mediator. He brings us back to his Father. everying else is hocus pocus.
Sk8er408 2 months ago
@Sk8er408 TRUTH: Jesus is YHWH the Son. In Him dwells the fullness of deity bodily, and He is full of grace and truth, as YHWH the Father is. If you have seen Me you have seen the Father, Before Abraham I was. (EGO EMI.). The Almighty (Revelation 1)
1 Cor 13:12 Right now we only know in part, but will soon fully know. Without Him being fully divine, & fully human the sacrifice would be insufficient, and He could not mediate as Immanu-EL/theanthropos.
colinb890 3 months ago
@colinb890
See... we have never known the Father we have always had Jesus or YHWH as our mediator to God from the beginning. and now we pray to God in the name of Jesus...
Sk8er408 3 months ago
@colinb890 - Before Abraham was, I AM......close though...
cr500blur 2 months ago
@cr500blur I wish you took the time to read my points more carefully. I think I am on the same side as you. I am a Christian, and I am certainly not a Mormon. I hold to the Trinity which teaches there is One God, and 3 personal distinctions within the Godhead. And yes there are several verses in the Bible that say all 3 members of the Trinity raised Jesus. Romans 8:11(The Spirit); John 2:19(The Son); Acts 2:32 (God raised Jesus). Jesus is clearly YHWH the Son He is God/Immanu-EL. 1What, 3Who's.
colinb890 2 months ago
@colinb890 - Sorry Colin, I got confused by your comment about us being similar to The Father and the Son or something like that. As far as the trinity goes, it may be impossible to understand exactly how the trinity exists, but it doesn't matter in the end. John 14:6 is more important than everyone down here arguing over disagreements on interpretation. This is what really matters.
cr500blur 2 months ago
@Sk8er408 What I have given you is minor proof of the full deity of Jesus. I could provide you with much more, with Hebrew, and Greek texts. Before you make dogmatic assertions about the Trinity being pagan I would encourage you to research it for yourself. Read 'Jesus as God' by Murray Harris which explores the word 'Theos' associated with Jesus in the NT, or a less academic book is 'Putting Jesus in His place' by Robert M Bowman.
colinb890 3 months ago
@colinb890
What you have given is your misunderstanding of a three headed water god that is asexual without form and unknown.
Sk8er408 3 months ago
@Sk8er408 When you are ready for a real discussion I do have alot of experience defending the trinity. I know exactly what Mormons teach. You teach God the Father had sexual relations with the virgin Mary bringing Jesus into existence thus making Jesus not co-eternal with the Father, and that we also have a heavenly mother. If Jesus is not co-eternal with the Father He is created therefore not God since God will not share His glory with another. Isa 42:8
colinb890 3 months ago
@colinb890
I'm not LDS. And no they do not teach that God has sex wtih anyone. This is what is called propaganda that youth pastors use to brainwash kids with. They do believe that not only God and Jesus are eternal but all of the children of God are eternal. They believe that Jesus was YHWH before his birth and that he was and still is the mediator between God and man from the beginning. This is why people are confused about the whole trinity as Jesus stood in for God in the OT.
Sk8er408 3 months ago
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@colinb890
Being in a fallen state we have nothing to do with God.
Sk8er408 3 months ago
@colinb890 - wrong again...all too common with you. You should get your facts, all of your facts straight first. Jesus (Jehoshua) raised Himself. You have a problem. If you are mormon most likely you are not Christian. You cannot serve man and God together. You can try all day long to justify your incorrect stance and you will still be incorrect. Isaiah 43:10, 44:6, 44:8 will be your undoing.
cr500blur 2 months ago
@cr500blur For future defence of your faith. The word Trinity is not in the Bible which is totally irrelevant. We look for the concept to be taught which it clearly is. The word Bible isn't in the Bible either, it sums up what it is. Tell your LDS friends that Latter Day Saints isn't in the Bible either, or the JW's that Watchtower, Bible&Tract Society isn't either, yet they still use the terms. They will love that. The word Trinity comes from the Latin noun Trinitas which means "3 are 1."
colinb890 2 months ago
@cr500blur BTW: Please quit watching videos about people's visions of hell, or even heaven! It's unhealthy. These are subjective experiences they are taking, and trying to make them objective for the rest of us. Test all things (according to scripture), and hold fast to that which is good. Be a relevant, reproducing Christian.
colinb890 2 months ago
@colinb890 - Now, colin, you are dead wrong. Instead of me building a case against your comment, you should study visions and what the Bible has to say. God did NOT tell us everything we would ever need to know in the Bible. Much of it has to be grounded in faith. But, since the world is headed for hell, He is giving us more opportunities to spread the Word. This Word INCLUDES everything about hell too. Even though the Bible talks about it, it's not enough to convince the masses.
cr500blur 2 months ago
@TheDarkSchnooky So... you are saying that he prayed to himself? Hmmm does not sound right/logical. I would say that Jesus prayed to his/our Father in Heaven. Just the same are you saying that the Father said to himself - this is my beloved Son .... I don't think so. It was God the Father speaking to and about his Son Jesus Christ. God the Father, His Son Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost are three separate personages that are one in purpose - but they are not all the same being.
oc714cal 3 months ago
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@TheDarkSchnooky So... you are saying that he prayed to himself? Hmmm does not sound right/logical. I would say that Jesus prayed to his/our Father in Heaven. Just the same are you saying that the Father said to himself - this is my beloved Son .... I don't think so. It was God the Father speaking to and about his Son Jesus Christ. God the Father, His Son Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost are three separate personages that are one in purpose - but they are not all the same being.
oc714cal 3 months ago
@oc714cal - Isaiah 43:10. Remember........ you will die alone, and HE will hold you accountable. Eternal death in hell is quite a price to pay for arrogance. The Bible or Joey. You get to decide, but make no mistake. It's a big one.
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@cr500blur Dear cr500blur, Isaiah 43:10 is Jesus Christ (still in Heaven/not yet mortal) declaring to his chosen people of his Godhood and that he will judge all. If you read the WHOLE chapter the understanding of that verse becomes clear. In Is 43:11 he continues to clarify verse 10 ( I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.). The Lord has always directed his true church via a Prophet. I am grateful for the restored gospel of Jesus Christ - just as it was when he directed it.
oc714cal 2 months ago
@oc714cal just as he directed it when he walked with man. Now as he did prior to coming to earth - he directs his church thru his prophet. Today his living prophet is Thomas S. Monson. Cr500blur - there is some good news for you: The Lord will not condemn you to hell for your ignorance and even better news for you is that his whole gospel is available to you via his church - The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints.
oc714cal 2 months ago
@oc714cal - The church of Jesus Christ is the whole of the body of believers, regardless of the denomination or building. God doesn't require a prophet after offering His Son. John 14:6 says it all. No man can replace or stand in for Jesus. That is all blasphemy, and He won't forget it. God WILL condemn you and all that are a part of an accursed gospel. Only believing Christians are saved, and it is never too late to GET SAVED. It's your choice and you WILL be held accountable. Hurry.
cr500blur 2 months ago
@cr500blur The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints is directed and guided by Jesus Christ. He speaks thru his prophet just as he has always done. You are mistaken - ALL will be saved (as you put it). Jesus saith unto him, I am the away, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. All will know that Christ is the worlds savior. And sadly, after the death of Peter and the apostles ... Christ's true gospel was lost and did need to be restored. That was done threw J.Sm
oc714cal 2 months ago
@oc714cal - The church of Jesus Christ IS directed by Jesus. He speaks to His believers thru the Holy Spirit and no man is above another, especially some false prophet of an accursed org. All are DEFINITELY not saved, as it says in Matt 7:13-14. Do you not read the Bible? What makes you think the true gospel was lost? It's been here for 2000 years. Where have you been? In a coma? Joey Smith was a pedophile, kicked out of every state, and was a treasure hunter. This is ALL documented.
cr500blur 2 months ago
@oc714cal - You're not paying attention Oc714. The Bible was not written in English...It's Hebrew and Greek. The word for 'Lord' in verse 10 and 11 is Yehovah from YHWH, the true and proper name of God. Just like Jesus saying in John 10:30 that He and the Father are one, Isaiah shows that Jesus and God were in commune before Jesus was born of a virgin thru the Holy Spirit. Basically, the Father was telling us that He was one and only, and you STILL don't believe. Restored? It never ended.
cr500blur 2 months ago
@cr500blur It is you who misunderstand. In John 10:30 Christ is stating that he and his/our Father are one ... in PURPOSE - not in being. We (God's Children) are created in God's own image. Jesus is Heavenly Fathers son. He is a separate being doing the will of the Father. The Holy Ghost is a separate being doing the will of the Father. They are all part of the Godhead. The gospel that Christ taught significantly changed/distorted after the death of his apostles. A restoration was needed anddone
oc714cal 2 months ago
@oc714cal - Misunderstand? What would that be? One in purpose? Sorry, that is not what it says.... ANYWHERE. You and everyone else don't get to read your own beliefs into scripture. You can't really expect to debate scripture in the Bible if you are going to cherry-pick and make things up out of thin air. You are a great example of people who can't understand the supernatural and then decide for yourself. Sorry, it's not up to you or the false prophets. God doesn't make mistakes...
cr500blur 2 months ago
@cr500blur
I'm wrong but for some reason you think your out of context and half quotes of your infallible bible backs up your opinion. Sorry... but you are only deceiving yourself.
Sk8er408 2 months ago
@Sk8er408 - Wrong? Probably, you're very good at it. Out of context and half quotes? Name one.
Infallible Bible? There's your problem. Instead of saying stoopid things, as always, prove it. Show some iota of intelligence and break out the evidence. Otherwise, you're just another big-talkin' internet nimrod.
cr500blur 2 months ago
@cr500blur
all of the above....
Only slightly stoopid. Yet you are the one talking the smack none stop. I've showed you your error more then once.... it is not my fault you can not keep track.
Sk8er408 2 months ago
@oc714cal Yes youre a little confused! Simply Christians believe Jesus is full human AND fully divine. He had all human emotion, suffered pain, ate, drank, laughed & wept. Fully human. but he was also fully divine - he forgave sin, performed miracles, accepted worship - things that only God could do - all in his OWN name.So there are both aspects to his life - divine and human. When he prayed he prayed to the Father - but as prayer is a 2-way thing, equally we can say the Father prayed to him.
MrJayguess 1 month ago
@MrJayguess I agree that Jesus Christ is both man and a God. I also agree that prayer is a two way communication. However I believe that prayer is worship - that God the Father does speak to and guide his children. God the Father doesn't pray or worship Christ or anyone else. It is He/God the Father that we all worship and pray to. Christ our Savior and perfect example also worshiped and prayed to his Father who art in Heaven. He was not praying to himself - that is ridiculous.
oc714cal 1 month ago
@oc714cal Absolutely. But, as you concur, prayer is a 2-way communication, and so if jesus is communicating with the Father, then the Father is also communicating with Jesus. Not ridiculous at all. However, on EARTH Jesus submitted to His Father's will having emptied himself of his divinity:
We read in Philippians 2: 6-8 (cont...)
MrJayguess 1 month ago
@oc714cal "6 Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death— even death on a cross!
So, praying 'to' the Father makes Christ no less God as that state was a temporary measure.
MrJayguess 1 month ago
@MrJayguess Heavenly Father communicates to his children (Christ included) but He does not pray to us - we pray (worship) him. It is different and not the same. I never said that Christ was not a God. He is part of the Godhead. Christ chose to come to earth - to be born as man - to teach and to fulfill the Atonement. This was the plan that we all chose to follow in heaven. Only Christ's perfect Atonement would allow us to come unto the Father's presents again. They are 2 sep beings.
oc714cal 1 month ago
@MrJayguess if you read on to verses 9-11 (*especially 11) 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Christ serves his Father and he also serves mankind. He taught us and showed us by example to worship his Father. The Atonement in which you speak was part of the plan of happiness that we all chose to follow in heaven. We come to earth to learn and be tested and thru Christ's atonement all mankind may be saved regardless
oc714cal 1 month ago
Its not for me to say that this minister who attacks my faith is unchristian but rather I would encourage men to investigate the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and to discover that it is indeed Christian no matter what men may say. In conclusion Matthew 7:21 - 23, does this not well support our belief that a mans obedience indeed does matter and that Grace would not allow a wicked man to dwell with God. Man is indeed saved by Grace but cannot be exalted by grace alone.
llewellleo 3 months ago
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llewellleo 4 months ago
@llewellleo Mormonism is a cult.
jaykarroll 3 months ago
@jaykarroll That is your opinion.
llewellleo 3 months ago
@llewellleo No, that is the Bible
jaykarroll 3 months ago
@jaykarroll ?
llewellleo 3 months ago
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@jaykarroll Mormonism is a cult.
Why?
Sk8er408 3 months ago
One of the clearest illustrations of the Godhead being distinct individuals working as one is found in Stephens vision in Acts 2:3 where he sees Christ standing on the right hand side of God exalted.
llewellleo 4 months ago
More Scriptures of interest.Matthew 26:39,42 also verse 29. Luke 2:49 His Fathers business, not His own. A very interesting verse is in John 17:21 which dismisses the general confusion about this and also helps one understand why there exist in the mind of men confusion on this subject as men have depended on human interpretation and not turned to God for counsel.
llewellleo 4 months ago
Inn The Lords Prayer in Matthew 6:9 Christ prays "Our Father which art in heaven,Hallowed be thy name" Thy and why not me? If I understand you right it should read my name, not thy name? Was He praying to himself and why "Our". This tell me so much, He is "our" brother and was He also not a man? Did He not suffer as men do and die as men do? His Godly status not ignored and that we Should follow Him.
llewellleo 4 months ago
Matthew 5:48. Which Father was Christ referring to, He did not after all say be ye perfect even as I am , did He ? And then where is Heaven seeing that Christ was amongst men on Earth when He gave men this instruction. Was this about His own will or His Fathers will.?
llewellleo 4 months ago
@llewellleo We know Christ was and is perfect and no man who ever wandered on this earth was as He perfect from His very foundations.
llewellleo 4 months ago
A few verses I would very much like you to explain.Matthew 3:7 Was Christ saying to himself that He is his own beloved Son and that He is pleased in himself? On earth we consider such a person to be suffering from a serious mental condition but I believe the words are simple and that Christ is indeed Heavenly Fathers Son and that He is well pleased with Him for being a perfect Son, being obedient in all things.
llewellleo 4 months ago
Firstly I am a Mormon and I am a Christian, I believe in Christ, acknowledge His great example and wish to follow Him in my life. To say I am not Christian because I do not have the same beliefs as some other Christian groups have is not only offensive but false.
llewellleo 4 months ago
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Carm is not trying to attack you, your character or the sincerity of your beliefs, Carm is just here to tell you you're going to burn in hell because you don't believe like we do.
daSchoof 4 months ago
"I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!" (Galatians 2:21).
Keruaran 4 months ago
@Keruaran
Who is setting aside the grace of God?
Sk8er408 4 months ago
@Sk8er408
If you are a Mormon: You are.
Keruaran 4 months ago
@Keruaran
So you are condemning an entire people? nice... Sounds like you are a Jew showing your hate to your brothers the Samaritans.
Sk8er408 4 months ago
@Sk8er408
Wow what a slimy little piece of work you are. You've come bolting out of the blocks trying to twist what I've said into something much more sinister. This speaks volumes about your integrity. Are you a Mormon? Don't you believe what the Mormon Church teaches? Because what it teaches opposes scripture. What is wrong with pointing out the fact that if you follow their teachings YOU reject the grace of God for a legalistic "gospel" which is no gospel at all? And you are NOT my brother.
Keruaran 4 months ago
@Keruaran
I'm not LDS. The sinister act was your misrepresenting that Nephi vs. and caliming that the LDS teaches opposite of scripture.
How do you reject grace by following the teachings of the LDS church?
The Gospel sure is legalistic.
Why am i not your brother?
Sk8er408 4 months ago
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@Sk8er408
For someone who is not LDS, you sure sound like a Mormon. And I didn't misrepresent 2 Nephi 25:23, I quoted it. This verse most certainly is teaching something quite different from what Paul spends so much time teaching in his Epistles. It is the Mormon gospel that is legalistic, not the gospel as we find it in the New Testament. Unless you are born again, you are not my brother.
Keruaran 4 months ago
If Jesus was God in Flesh why did he pray to himself?
KenM66 4 months ago
@KenM66
Jesus didn't pray to Himself, He prayed to the Father. You are assuming unitarianism.
Keruaran 4 months ago
Is Mormonism Christian?.... We'll do they believe in Christ?
If they do, then they are Christians...
rhdez11 5 months ago
Ah 4 Mormon propaganda pm's have just appeared in my private messages... what fun...
Keruaran 5 months ago
@Keruaran I told you I was sending it too you because the Great Apostasy is a large topic covering 1800 years.
EscapeNewJersey 5 months ago
@EscapeNewJersey
You're blocked. Those aren't private messages, those are ridicluous. Don't waste my time. If you have a point to make you can make it here.
Keruaran 4 months ago
@Keruaran "You seriously expect me to read through and respond" - No I don't really expect Evangelicals can read. I told you on this thread I was sending you the messages before I sent them because the topic of the Great Apostasy is a vast topic. Sorry I can't condense it to a bumper sticker or to a "Can I get an Amen" Ted Haggard hell fire sermon for you.
EscapeNewJersey 4 months ago
@EscapeNewJersey
You told me you were sending a private message. You didn't say you were sending four stupidly long diatribes that amount to nothing more than a total lack of respect for the person you're sending the messages to. And you try to mask your rudeness with pathetically smarmy comments like this one. And I'm not an Evangelical either.
Keruaran 4 months ago
@EscapeNewJersey
Seriously I can't get over that. That's just incredible. Don't you have *any* respect for the person you're sending a message to?
Keruaran 4 months ago
carm=scrupulosity
Bladejob123 5 months ago
In my opinion, 90% of Mormons do not understand the writings in The Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants and Pearl of Great Price. The 10% that do understand these writings left the LDS church.
DiscipleofElijah 5 months ago
If you search around YouTube you will see many videos captioned; "...and I'm a Mormon". If you post a negative comment at any of these "...and I'm a Mormon" videos it will never be displayed.
At the present time there is a concerted effort by Mormons to be accepted as Christians. Mormonism is not Christian, it is nothing but a cult founded by a false prophet.
DiscipleofElijah 5 months ago
Someone should tell this uneducated Evangelical making the video that the name "Christian" is not mentioned in the Bible. In fact the label "Christian" was given to the followers of Christ by people who hated Christ as a derogatory term like the label "Mormon" was given by anti-Mormons. People who have actually read the Bible (like Mormons) know the follows of Christ where called Saints in the Bible. Therefore "Mormons" are "Saints" or true followers of Jesus Christ.
EscapeNewJersey 5 months ago
@EscapeNewJersey Acts 11:26 is the likely the first use of the term "Christian" in writing. The name isn't important though, its the beliefs. The Christ of mormonism clearly isn't the same as the Christ of the new testament.
rm2kmidi 5 months ago
@rm2kmidi Thats true, "mainstream christianity" is apostate. The LDS church is true ancient "Christianity". The "Christ" of "mainstream christianity" has been altered to conform to the ideas of pagan Greek Philosophy. The Bible (correctly understood and interpreted) and the ancient Christian fathers in the first and second century A.D. agreed with LDS doctrine. I have proof of this. Give me an example of a LDS doctrine that you think in"unchristian" or not supported in the Bible.
EscapeNewJersey 5 months ago
@EscapeNewJersey
Claim: "the name "Christian" is not mentioned in the Bible".
Response: "the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch" (Acts 11:26). "Agrippa replied to Paul, "In a short time you will persuade me to become a Christian."" (Acts 26:28). "but if anyone suffers as a Christian, he is not to be ashamed, but is to glorify God in this name" (1st Peter 4:16).
If you can't even get basic facts like this right what value is there in any other claim you make?
Keruaran 5 months ago
@EscapeNewJersey so just a title now makes you you a true believer in Christ??
so Mormons can just say they are "saints" and automatically be believers in Christ??
whther you read the bible or not you dont trust it,so whats it matter?
lilbeaveymac 5 months ago
@lilbeaveymac We are saints because we are true followers of Christ. The LDS church has the true restored Gospel with the true priesthood and temple ordinances.
EscapeNewJersey 5 months ago
@EscapeNewJersey Christians dont believe in ordinances as must for salvation.We don't believe in ordinances.Only you Mormons and the Catholics do.
We have freedom from religion and freedom in Christ.
lilbeaveymac 5 months ago
@lilbeaveymac Well that should tell you something! Just because you don't have the priesthood, prophets, new scripture, temple ordinances does not mean that they are unnecessary.
EscapeNewJersey 5 months ago
@EscapeNewJersey
And what are things like your "temple ordinances" necessary for?
Keruaran 5 months ago
@Keruaran If a man gets a fullness of the priesthood of God, he has to get it in the same way that Jesus Christ obtained it, and that was by keeping all the commandments and obeying all the ordinances of the house of the Lord. All men who become heirs of God and joint-heirs with Jesus Christ will have to receive the fullness of the ordinances of his kingdom.
EscapeNewJersey 5 months ago
@EscapeNewJersey
You have just revealed that you have no idea who Jesus Christ is nor what He did in dying on a cross. And you have revealed that you do not understand the gospel at all; not even a most basic understanding. Your laws and ordinances are meaningless and will never make you righteous or justify you before a Holy God.
Keruaran 5 months ago