Bitch, Satan WAS IN the Garden of Eden! HE tempted Adam to sin! If Satan hadn't have been there, Adam would most likely NOT have sinned... THERE. Take that. =0P
Yes, Shirley, REBUKE them, but DO NOT hate them. You may think you are warning them the "right" way, but you've got it all wrong. You should kill 'em w/ kindness. Hate gets you nowhere.
Ya know, your kids aren't going to stay w/ you forever. Your daughters' and sons' are going to want to make lives' for themselves'. They are going to want to marry and have children. That is NOT going to happen for all of them unless they leave that den of iniquity you have them in.
@uwique "this lady burned johnny with 1 scripture..lol" Kinda like what's happening to you on Mark 16: 15-16? Man, I've asked for ONE - not ten, not five - but ONE parallel English sentence that supports your ridiculous interpretation, and you CAN'T do it. Thus, you're WRONG on Mark 16: 15-16. If you'd like to do it, just try. I dare ya.
@uwique And you know what? "Grace" isn't even mentioned in Mark 16: 15-16. You're doing the ole "delay" tactic: ask endless questions, throw up endless obstacles - in an attempt to hide the fact that you CAN'T answer, and you NEVER will. This verse will meet you coming and going - so will many others, but we're on this one right now.
@uwique Anyway, I've answered the definition of "belief". I've answered the defintion of "grace." Now YOU get with it, and give us that parallel sentence to Mark 16: 15-16. "He that (a) and (b) shall receive $1,000, but he that does not (a) shall not." You oughta be able to find ONE parallel sentence that'll support your silly "take" on the verse. Do it!
@uwique So what are you and lllannallll debating on for the past 16 pages of comments ? I read a little bit, but don't wanna read all 16 pages worth....
@vampirehunter33 You can easily see it: right now, I'm asking him for one English sentence which runs parallel to Mark 16: 16 in the form, "He that (a) and (b) shall receive $1,000, but he that does not (a) shall not." He says Mark 16: 16 does not teach the necessity of baptism. I say it does, in English and Greek.
@vampirehunter33 sorry,,maybe we took too much space huh?LOL..we were debating about id 1 needs to be baptised in order to be saved,amoungst other things.
@uwique So, you placed the stipulation of the definition of "believe". Ok, I gave it to you - right out out of Thayer's Lexicon. If you don't like his definition, take it up with him. As for me, I'd really like to see that Mark 16: 16- parallel sentence that you can't supply. There's NOT one! LOL @ "before I answer" - you WON'T answer!
@uwique To remind you - so you don't forget - you were asked for a parallel sentence in English to Mark 16: 16 that supports your belief. "He that (a) and (b) shall recieve $1,000, but he that does not (a) shall not." Now that's a small chore - not much, really. But, remember this: you can't do it. Not ONE sentence in the English language will support your interpretation. Wonder why? Ok, go ahead and give one.
@uwique "i give u scripture,and u slip rite past it" You gave Jn 3: 18b, "He that believeth not is condemned already." No one denies that. I'll remind you that "believeth not" is translated "obeyeth not" in other passages, so the two are equivalent. I didn't "slip past" it. But you VERY MUCH slithered past giving an English parallel to Mark 16: 16, and Lord knows you can't do it. Any sentence you try to give will prove you wrong, so you just don't do it.
@uwique And it stands: "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, but he that disbelieveth shall be condemned." You plainly stated that Mark 16 does NOT teach the necessity of baptism. I asked for ONE - not five - ONE sentence in English - just make one up - in which "He that (a) and (b) shall receive $1,000, but he that does not (a) shall not." Show us ONE widdle sentence in which the (b) would not be as necessary as the (a). Can't ya even TRY?
@lllannallll actually,,the other scriptures in the bible would support my interpretation that your cult church,my beleifs dont contradict,,,yours does,.
@uwique "the other scriptures in the bible would support my interpretation that your cult church" LOL No, they don't. We're on the subject of baptism, so find some verses on baptism that teach your doctrine. Wanna try Mark 16: 16 again? "He that (a) and (b) shall receive $1,000, but he that does not (a) shall not." Show us ONE widdle sentence in which the (b) would not be as necessary as the (a).
@uwique You make a classic mistake that I've never understood: when you wanna know about baptism, where do you go? If you'll notice, you run EVERYWHERE except the verses that teach you about the design and purpose of baptism. You run to a verse that says you "repent into life", and say, "See, no water!" Thus, you apparently have no use for the many verses on baptism.
@uwique How about, "He that attends class and passes his tests shall receive a diploma, but he that attends not shall not recieve it." Is that good enough for you. You think you could just "show up", not pass your tests, and STILL demand a diploma. That's a strange school you got going! THAT is an example of why I'm asking for that parallel sentence. And you know you can't give it!
@uwique "still do u uinderstand that beleiving in water to save u contradicts scripture right?" Believing in WATER to SAVE me? Who said that? Did you just make it up in order to deny it? If so, I'll deny it right along with you. Nobody believes that, unless it's the Catholics.
@lllannallll so what your sayin is beleiving on the lord jesus christ is not good enough??u need water,,doesnt that even look silly even the slightest?LOL
@uwique "so what your sayin is beleiving on the lord jesus christ is not good enough?" Dude, even YOU said that, didn't you? You turned right around and said a person not only had to believe, but love God. Any ya also said a person had to repent AFTER he believed. And ya also threw in the "sinner's prayer" too. So evidently you make it a lil harder than simple belief. Right?
@uwique I'd love to check back and discover, to my amazement, that you actually came up with a parallel sentence that supports your interpretation. But, alas, as far as I know, there isn't one! I've never seen it. So you'll dodge .. and cry .. and whine .. and whimper - but one thing's for sure: you'll never give a simple English sentence that supports your belief. Why is that?
@uwique "johnny=doulble talk at its finest!!" Uwique = no attempt at answering, at its worst. Give that parallel sentence. As it is now, the passage - Mark 16: 16 - stands firm. "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved."
@uwique "no attempt?LOL,,yeah rite!!,,as if u answer mine?" Oh, but I DID! You said "define 'believe or belief'." I gave you the definition from the lexicon. Well, "grace" is "unwarranted or unmerited favor", that's all. That's straight from the lexicon, too. So yeah, I answered - but you won't. You CAN'T!
@uwique "Looks like you have about 4 choices: (1) quibble about the dictionary definition of believe, (2) make more demands before you answer, (3) excuse yourself on the grounds that I didnt answer some question of yours or (4) simply ANSWER IT. <-- You chose #2 and #3. I was right, again.
@uwique I've begged for a parallel sentence to Mark 16 that would lend support to your views. You can't come up with a THING? Looks like it'd be easy. I even "paused" - dropped everything else - while you worked on it. And you've produced NOTHING.
@uwique "To remind you - so you don't forget - you were asked for a parallel sentence in English to Mark 16: 16 that supports your belief. "He that (a) and (b) shall recieve $1,000, but he that does not (a) shall not." Now that's a small chore - not much, really. But, remember this: you can't do it. Not ONE sentence in the English language will support your interpretation. Ya ain't done it, yet - you can't - you won't - you're finished.
@uwique "He that (1) believeth and (2) is baptized shall be saved, but he that disbelieveth shall be condemned." I'd like to see you try to "make up" a sentence in which "shall receive $1,000" is substituted for "shall be saved" Show us, in English, why "be baptized" is not connected to "shall be saved." C'mon!!!
@lllannallll He that (1) believeth and (2) is baptized shall be saved, but he that disbelieveth shall be condemned." I'd like to see you try to "make up" a sentence in which "shall receive $1,000" is substituted for "shall be saved" before i do this,,what does the word "beleiveth" mean..at least gimme your interpretation?
@uwique So if I simply give you the definition of "believeth", derived from "pistis", you give me a parallel sentence? Course we all know you won't - you can't - but proceed. Do you want a dictionary/lexical definition of "believeth" before you attempt it?
@uwique "Believeth" - "pistis/pisteuo" - means, according to the dictionary/lexicon: to trust in, to rely upon, to have confidence in, to have faith in. There ya go. Now proceed with that parallel sentence that you aint ever gonna give us. LOL
@uwique Lord, I ask for ONE thing, and "Mighty Casey" has, once again, STRUCK OUT! I'm beginning to think you're about done with Mark 16: 16 - you finished with it before you got started.
@uwique "youll answer my questions if u want from answers from me,,u gonna play,,play fair pal,,,ok?" Haha! Classic "bait and switch." You'll simply RELIEVE yourself of providing a parallel sentence on the suppposed grounds that I didn't answer something you asked. LMAO. Doesn't matter. I said you couldn't do it - and you can't.
@uwique "ive been lookin for the scripture where it says that if your not in the COC,your a sinner.i havent found it yet." <-- kinda like how I've been looking for that parallel sentence to Mark 16: 16 that was asked of you? C'mon ... this is SAD. You know your position - give that parallel sentence. You're proving me right
@lllannallll that was asked of you? C'mon ... this is SAD. You know your position - give that parallel sentence. You're proving me right,,oh i see,,u want somthing from me??just the questions i asked you that u have NOT answered??,,now u want somthing?LOL
@uwique “He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned” (Mark 16:16). If we look at this verse closely, we see that it is composed of two basic statements. 1—He who believes and is baptized will be saved. 2—He who does not believe will be condemned.
@uwiqueHe who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned” (Mark 16:16). If we look at this verse closely, we see that it is composed of two basic statements. 1—He who believes and is baptized will be saved. 2—He who does not believe will be condemned.this is what ur gettin from me,,try reading in its context,,he woh does not beleive,is condemmed,,does it not say that?
@uwique "its sad,u became the very thing u hate." Awww, is widdle uwique all pissy poo cuz he can't give ONE - one out of millions - parallel passage that supports his view of Mark 16? "He that (a) and (b) shall receive $1,000,000, but he that does not (a) shall not." Try it! You haven't done so well so far, as I predicted.
@uwique How about this one? "He that believeth in me and write a parallel sentence to Mark 16 shall receive $1,000, but he who disbelieveth shall not." Ooops, that won't work: you'd have do both - believe and write - to have any claim to the $1,000. Well, heck, YOU try it. This is getting funny!
@uwique "its seems its ok for u to connect the dots,but when i do it,i'm wrong,,get real pal!" Oh, I'm very real - so "real" that I know you'll utterly fail if you attempt a parallel sentence to Mark 16: 16. You have made me a prophet; I said you wouldn't try it. And ya haven't.
@lllannallll according to your doctrine,there always need a 3rd person to be saved,,do u see how stupid u make the bible look??,,and why your church is the laughing stock of churches?
@lllannallll The Bible is clear that we are saved by faith alone. Abraham was saved by faith, and we are saved by faith (Romans 4:1-25; Galatians 3:6-22).
@uwique "why dont u take the scripture for what it says" Oh, but I did! Mark 16 places TWO conditions on salvation, and you have no right to expect a thing until you do BOTH! I asked for a parallel English sentence that lends support to your view. You have given NONE - you can't - you won't - and you're finished on that point.
@lllannallll If baptism is required for salvation, it means no one can be saved without a third party being present. In other words, if baptism is required for salvation, someone must baptize a person before he can be saved. This effectively limits who can be saved and when he can be saved.
@uwique "If baptism is required for salvation, it means no one can be saved without a third party being present" Huh? We are on the subject of Mark 16: 16, and your parallel sentence? Whatsa matter? Having a tough time with it, uwique. Can't deliver the goods?
@lllannallll is required for salvation, it means no one can be saved without a third party being present" Huh? We are on the subject of Mark 16: 16, and your parallel sentence? Whatsa matter? Having a tough time with it, uwique. Can't deliver the goods?are u kidding!!,,this is not relevant to what we are talkin about?LOLi gave it to u,that scripture says what it says
@uwique What happened? All I asked for was a parallel sentence to Mark 16: 16. SOMETHING to lend some sorta credibility to your point of view. You give us NOTHING! So it stands, "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved."
@lllannallll All I asked for was a parallel sentence to Mark 16: 16. SOMETHING to lend some sorta credibility to your point of view. my point of view?LOL..i'm giving u bible,,its silly to say that its my point of view,,,nice try though!!
@lllannallll the countless verses where only belief or faith is mentioned (e.g. John 3:18; John 5:24; John 12:44; John 20:31; 1 John,,now go ahead,throw your water in there and contradict gods word.
@lllannallll tell me what "beleiveth" means??,,cuas it says that he who doesnt beleiveth is condemmed,,sounds like to me that word "beleiveth is important,,what does it mean?it sounds like a do or die situation doesnt it?
@uwique "tell me what "beleiveth" means?" Oh, I did .. straight from a lexicon. Does that suit you? Or do deny lexicons and dictionaries, too? I did it simply because I really wanna see you struggle with a sentence in English parallel to Mark 16: 16. So far, as predicted, you haven't tried it.
@uwique Looks like you have about 4 choices: (1) quibble about the dictionary definition of believe, (2) make more demands before you answer, (3) excuse yourself on the grounds that I didnt answer some question of yours or (4) simply ANSWER IT. I vote you'll whimper along with the first 3, but you'll never make it to number 4. Which curtain do you want? I think you'll use 1 and 2, personally. Go ahead!
@lllannallll How about this one? "He that believeth in me and write a parallel sentence to Mark 16 shall receive $1,000, but he who disbelieveth shall not." Ooops, that won't work: you'd have do both - believe and write - to have any claim to the $1,000. Well, heck, YOU try it. This is getting funny!whats the matter??cant take the scripture at face value huh?,,it would contradict your man made doctrine now wouldnt it?
@lllannallll i still asked u about grace,,oh wait!!,,u already told me u dont know,,but that doesnt mean if i give u the meaning u would beleive me right?LOL
@uwique Very good, uwique. All those who believe as you do can be proud of your efforts on that parallel sentence. You stepped right up to the plate, boy: Mighty Casey has struck out! YOU attempted to explain Mark 16, and I'm telling you: "you can't write a parallel sentence - or even close - that supports your views."
if Jesus had made such a statement, He would have contradicted numerous other Bible passages that make it clear that salvation is by faith (John 3:16; John 3:36; Ephesians 2:8-9; Titus 3:5).
@uwique "if Jesus had made such a statement, He would have contradicted numerous other Bible passages." He DID make such a statement - and contradicted nothing. The contradiction is that you want to ADD repentance, ADD loving God, maybe ADD praying, yet you won't add baptism. That's the problem.
@uwique "jesus never said that u needed to be baptized to be saved" Unless ye be born of water and of the Spirit, ye shall not enter the kingdom of heaven." "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved." Jesus didn't SAY it?
@lllannallll "jesus never said that u needed to be baptized to be saved" Unless ye be born of water and of the Spirit, ye shall not enter the kingdom of heaven." "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved." Jesus didn't SAY ,,born of water??LOL..wheres baptism in that??it seems when i interpret scripture,i'm wrong,,but u interpret"born of water" as baptism,,your right,,are u serious?LOL,it doesnt say baptism there.i'm gonna be like u now,,lol
@lllannallll He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved." Jesus didn't SAY it?u see??when talkin to a COC member,always finish or read the next verse,,why didnt u finish the verse?but he that doesnt beleiveth,will be condemmed,,see that??he that DOESNT BELEIVETH!!!got it get it good!!
@uwique "he that doesnt beleiveth,will be condemmed,,see that??he that DOESNT BELEIVETH!!!got it get it good!!" Why, certainly. I'll concede that disbelief will land someone in hell. No problem. Tell you what you do: give me a parallel sentence, and insert "shall receive $1,000" of "shall be saved." Can you do it? You won't even TRY.
@lllannallll you know why the whole denom world says baptisms not important??cuase they dont read the ephesians conversion..lol..dont you find that even a bit comical?
@uwique "dont you find that even a bit comical?" What I find comical is that I'm kinda pausing for that parallel sentence structure in which "believeth" is necessary, but "be baptized" is not when $1,000 is the prize. And I already know you can't give a sentence that fits your doctrine. But please, by all means, try it. I say you won't even try.
@uwique "i'm not the 1 with the 123456789 step plan to salvation..lol" LOL you got that right. You have a 1a, 1b, 1c, and 1d. You want Eph 2: 5, but it doesn't mention repentance, so you "1b" it. You want prayer, so you "1c" it. And you add EVERYTHING to it before you're done - everything except baptism.
@lllannallll i have a 1b 2b 3b??LOLif u knew what eph2 v 5 meant,you wouldnt say what your sayin,u make it sound like u have to do 200 steps to get saved,,why are u ptting the blame on me?
@uwique "go it. get it good" Well, tell ya what: we'll just pause, and you give me a parallel sentence to Mark 16: 16, but substitute "shall receive $1,000" for the "shall be saved." Should be easy for you. For instance, "He that believeth and holds out his hand .. shall receive $1,000, but he that disbelieveth shall not" Something like that. You CAN'T possibly do it. Go ahead!
@lllannallll The contradiction is that you want to ADD repentance, ADD loving God, maybe ADD praying, yet you won't add baptism. That's the problem.again,,baptism is not nessacary for salvation..
@lllannallll A good example of someone who was saved before being baptized is Cornelius and his household in Acts 10. We know that they were saved before being baptized because they had received the Holy Spirit, which is the evidence of salvation (Romans 8:9; Ephesians 1:13; 1 John 3:24). The evidence of their salvation was the reason Peter allowed them to be baptized.
@lllannallll oh my god!!when u repent,it shows your love for god,and when u cofess,your praying to god to forgive u of sin..your church has got u all legalized and confuzed.
@uwique "when u repent,it shows your love for god,and when u cofess,your praying to god to forgive u of sin" And ya had faith before any of it - so look at you. "By grace are ye saved through faith" <- saved right there? NO, according you. You add repentance, confession, prayer, loving God, etc to it. But you dont' add baptism - you add everything else though.
@lllannallll when u repent,it shows your love for god,and when u cofess,your praying to god to forgive u of sin" And ya had faith before any of it - so look at you. "By grace are ye saved through faith" <- saved right there? ..oh now i'm adding..lol..the bible says it,,not me,,your church is the 1 who says u need water to be saved,,hollow people produce a hollow doctrine.
@uwique "A good example of someone who was saved before being baptized is Cornelius" Really? I've never seen anyone yet who could prove it, yet people like you constantly try, and you'll be like the rich young ruler: "the young man went away sorrowful." Certainly you won't say the Spirit acting upon someone evidences salvation.
@lllannallll A good example of someone who was saved before being baptized is Cornelius" Really? I've never seen anyone yet who could prove it, yet people like you constantly try, and you'll be like the rich young ruler: try reading your bible.
@uwique Here's you: "saved by faith only" Me: "What about repentance?" You: We can add that - it's faith + repentance Me: "What about loving God?" You: We can add that - it's faith + loving God + repentance Me: "What about praying?" You: We can add that - it's faith + loving God + repentance + prayer Me: "What about baptism?" You: Nooooo, didn't you see Eph 2: 5. It doesn't mention baptism. Me: "It doesn't mention the other stuff you added." You: "Legalism." LOL
@lllannallll your doctrine confuses,cause u put all the words separate..when u repent to god,his grace abounds in u....why do u make this difficult for yourself?
@uwique btw,,john 3 v 5..doesnt mention baptism anywhere.Nicodemus was a pharisee,,he wouldnt have a clue of what baptism is,,just cuase it mentions water,doesnt mean it means baptism.
@uwique if Jesus had made such a statement,{about baptism} He would have contradicted numerous other Bible passages that make it clear that salvation is by faith (John 3:16; John 3:36; Ephesians 2:8-9; Titus 3:5).
i dont know how else u would read those scriptures,,maybe somone at the COC can dictate for u.
@uwique "if your saved,by faith in jesus christ,youve repented already" Huh? Well, suppose I simply do what you've done - make an assertion? "If you're saved by faith, you've been baptized already." One assertion is as good as another.
@uwique "also remember,when jesus was speaking to nicodemus ,the ordinance of Christian baptism was not yet in effect." Also, recall that John's baptism WAS in effect, and also recall that Jesus taught many things of the coming kingdom before they all went "into effect" on Pentecost. Try again.
@uwique "'me...saved by grace thru faith,,,you.....CONFUSED!!" Nahh, you clearly ADD TO faith, don't you? You've already added repentance, loving God, prayer, and who knows what else. So you don't stand upon Eph 2: 8 or John 3: 16. You think "faith" includes all sorts of other things. So you're confused.
@lllannallll 'me...saved by grace thru faith,,,you.....CONFUSED!!" Nahh, you clearly ADD TO faith, don't you? You've already added repentance, loving God, prayer, and who knows what else.,,who knows what else??somtimes,talkin to u is like talkin to an athiest,,u talk as if the bible doesnt speak of it,,you talk out of both sides of your mouth.
@uwique You have a strange was of kinda INSERTING whatever you want into Eph 2: 5 and John 3: 16, don't you? I'll quit the discussion if you can find a drop of repentance there. I'll quit if you can find any prayer there. So the SAME REASONING - exactly the same - that you employ to remove baptism, removes repentance and prayer. Surely you can see that.
@lllannallll the thief on the cross was saved without being baptized (because he was under the Old Covenant), why would Jesus tell Nicodemus (who was also under the Old Covenant) that he needed to be baptized?
@lllannallll You have a strange was of kinda INSERTING whatever you want into Eph 2: 5 and John 3: 16, don't you?i have a strange way?LOL..your the 1 inserting baptism,,not me..remeber,,the def of GRACE is "letting somone off the hook that doesnt deserve it",,when u repent to god,he forgives u and his grace abounds,,hes letting u off the hook from goin to hell which we all deserve.
@uwique "here 1 more time ok??Water baptism is the outward testimony" LMAO! Tell me: am I saved at the point of faith only? C'mon now. C'mon and tell me! Wanna take that position? Would you like to ADD repentance to it? How bout a lil prayer? Wanna add that? How bout loving God and Jesus? Wanna add that? C'mon, lil fella, make it plain.
@lllannallll here 1 more time ok??Water baptism is the outward testimony" LMAO! Tell me: am I saved at the point of faith only? C'mon now. C'mon and tell me! Wanna take that position? Would you like to ADD repentance to it? How bout a lil prayer? Wanna add that? How bout loving God and Jesus? Wanna add that? C'mon, lil fella, make it plain.i can expalin in 1 sentence what u try to explain thru 100 verses,,lol
@lllannallll If the thief on the cross was saved without being baptized (because he was under the Old Covenant), why would Jesus tell Nicodemus (who was also under the Old Covenant) that he needed to be baptized?
@lllannallll john,3 v 5 “water” mentioned in this verse is not literal physical water but rather the “living water” Jesus promised the woman at the well in John 4:10 and the people in Jerusalem in John 7:37-39. It is the inward purification and renewal produced by the Holy Spirit that brings forth spiritual life to a dead sinner (Ezekiel 36:25-27; Titus 3:5). Jesus reinforces this truth in John 3:7
@uwique I'll wait around on your parallel sentence that supports your analysis. All you have to do is: "He that (a) and (b) shall receive $1,000, but he that does not (a) shall not receive it." Go right ahead. You can't do it, and I invite you to try. Don't feel discouraged - NO ONE can do it. Most won't even try - and you won't either, I predict. But I'd love to see you struggle with it.
@uwique "why dont u try reading your bible." Haha. I will. Why don't you try reading it and giving that parallel sentence? Would that work for ya? You haven't done very well so far with the parallel sentence part. And I'll keep on until you do it.
@lllannallll You have a strange was of kinda INSERTING whatever you want into Eph 2: 5 and John 3: 16, don't you?u have A strange way of not knowing what it means..lol
@uwique "You have a strange was of kinda INSERTING whatever you want into Eph 2: 5 and John 3: 16, don't you?" You never really answered that, of course. Does Eph 2: 5 teach repentance or prayer, but not baptism. Explain it.
@uwique "agaIN,,what is the action that puts gods grace into effect?" I'm not sure - you tell me: I assume the "action" is a "work" on man's part. In other words, man "does" it. Man does some kinda "work". So what is it?
@lllannallll "agaIN,,what is the action that puts gods grace into effect?" I'm not sure - you tell me: I assume the "action" is a "work" on man's part. In other words, man "does" it. Man does some kinda "work". So what is it?so its a fair judgement that if i ask u what grace is,you wouldnt know?
@lllannallll i told u,grace is basically letting somone off the hook who doesnt deserve it,,now what is god letting u off the hook from?it is a work,,its gods grace,its a work from up above and its relative to what we done,now,,what do u think we do?,,when u repent to god,god forgives u of sin,therefore,letting u off the hook of condemnation.THATS grace.
@lllannallll it is important to realize that while it tells us something about believers who have been baptized (they are saved), it does not say anything about believers who have not been baptized.
@uwique I'll wait around on your parallel sentence that supports your analysis. All you have to do is: "He that (a) and (b) shall receive $1,000, but he that does not (a) shall not receive it." Go right ahead. You can't do it, and I invite you to try. Don't feel discouraged - NO ONE can do it. Most won't even try - and you won't either, I predict. But I'd love to see you struggle with it. Step it up!
@uwique Don't prove me right by a lack of effort on your part. Give that parallel sentence ... "He that (a) and (be) shall receive $1,000 or $1,000,000, but he that does not (a) shall not." Should be easy if your rhetoric is worth a nickel. You haven't even tried.
@uwique All you've done is simply claimed that "He that believeth and IS NOT baptized shall be saved." You ASSERTED it! Well, I don't care for your assertions, but I'd love to see you attempt a parallel sentence. Certainly you realize that you're gonna flop on an attempt, but, land's sakes .. TRY!
@uwique "it is important to realize that while it tells us something ..." Blah @ your rhetoric. Poor thing! I asked for one - not ten, not five - but ONE parallel English sentence that supports your analysis. I thought you might be the first to give it, but you wisely have declined, so far. Do it, dude! You know you're right, and it'd be so easy! LMAO
@lllannallll just because Mark 16:16 says that “he who believes and is baptized will be saved” it does not mean that if one believes, but is not baptized, he will not be saved. Yet, this is exactly what is assumed by those that look to this verse to support the view that baptism is necessary for salvation.
@uwique "Yet, this is exactly what is assumed by those that look to this verse" Yeah, yeah ... I'll wait for that parallel sentence. Don't' prove me right! I prophesied that you couldn't do it, and - why, you haven't tried. So what's the reason, uwique? You understand what I'm asking you to do. Ok, go ahead.
@lllannallll that you employ to remove baptism, removes repentance and prayer. Surely you can see that.,,you tell me,,how does water remove conffession?water has nothing to do with repentance,,you take a sentence of 5 words and every word in the sentence means somthing else..lol
if Jesus had made such a statement, He would have contradicted numerous other Bible passages that make it clear that salvation is by faith (John 3:16; John 3:36; Ephesians 2:8-9; Titus 3:5).
they didnt know where the ephesians conversion was???omg!!!i wonder why??maybe its cuase the COC made it up..lol..its weird how people distort gods word.
@uwique "its weird how people distort gods word." <-- Yep, kinda like when you simply MADE UP a fairy tale about God swooping in and MIRACULOUSLY extending the life of a true believer who needs to repent, yet LETS THE MAN DIE before baptism. That is your position. Oh, did you bother to explain John 3: 3-5. Course not. You can't.
Bitch, Satan WAS IN the Garden of Eden! HE tempted Adam to sin! If Satan hadn't have been there, Adam would most likely NOT have sinned... THERE. Take that. =0P
TheChannyj28 9 hours ago
I want to know why Shirley and her cohorts are all OBSESSED w/ GAY sex?!! There's something wrong there!
TheChannyj28 10 hours ago
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TheChannyj28 10 hours ago
Yes, Shirley, REBUKE them, but DO NOT hate them. You may think you are warning them the "right" way, but you've got it all wrong. You should kill 'em w/ kindness. Hate gets you nowhere.
Ya know, your kids aren't going to stay w/ you forever. Your daughters' and sons' are going to want to make lives' for themselves'. They are going to want to marry and have children. That is NOT going to happen for all of them unless they leave that den of iniquity you have them in.
TheChannyj28 10 hours ago
Jonny Robertson, "Hello Ms.Phelps. Can you come on my show so I can beat the dog shit out of you? Thanks."
iammach 2 days ago
johnnys dog and pony show,,lol,now aint that the truth.
uwique 4 days ago
hey shirley,,your predestination doctrine is crap!!
uwique 4 days ago
Can someone tell me who won this debate. You can't tell me that the Phelps won.....they didn't...right?
myke336 1 week ago
@myke336 the phelps won this debate,,hands down!!
uwique 4 days ago
@uwique please tell me johnny, at least, refuted their doctrine and calvinists views undisputedly....
myke336 4 days ago
@myke336 hes right on the salvation part,,,but shes right when she says no baptism for salvation,,church of christ people prove themself wrong.
uwique 4 days ago
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@myke336 hes right on the salvation part,,,but shes right when she says no baptism for salvation,,church of christ people prove themself wrong.
uwique 4 days ago
this lady burned johnny with 1 scripture..lol
uwique 1 week ago
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@uwique "this lady burned johnny with 1 scripture..lol" Kinda like what's happening to you on Mark 16: 15-16? Man, I've asked for ONE - not ten, not five - but ONE parallel English sentence that supports your ridiculous interpretation, and you CAN'T do it. Thus, you're WRONG on Mark 16: 15-16. If you'd like to do it, just try. I dare ya.
lllannallll 1 week ago
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@uwique And you know what? "Grace" isn't even mentioned in Mark 16: 15-16. You're doing the ole "delay" tactic: ask endless questions, throw up endless obstacles - in an attempt to hide the fact that you CAN'T answer, and you NEVER will. This verse will meet you coming and going - so will many others, but we're on this one right now.
lllannallll 1 week ago
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@uwique Anyway, I've answered the definition of "belief". I've answered the defintion of "grace." Now YOU get with it, and give us that parallel sentence to Mark 16: 15-16. "He that (a) and (b) shall receive $1,000, but he that does not (a) shall not." You oughta be able to find ONE parallel sentence that'll support your silly "take" on the verse. Do it!
lllannallll 1 week ago
its a sad day for a person to get outdebated by a hatemonger,,lol
uwique 1 week ago
@uwique So what are you and lllannallll debating on for the past 16 pages of comments ? I read a little bit, but don't wanna read all 16 pages worth....
vampirehunter33 1 week ago
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@vampirehunter33 You can easily see it: right now, I'm asking him for one English sentence which runs parallel to Mark 16: 16 in the form, "He that (a) and (b) shall receive $1,000, but he that does not (a) shall not." He says Mark 16: 16 does not teach the necessity of baptism. I say it does, in English and Greek.
lllannallll 1 week ago
@vampirehunter33 sorry,,maybe we took too much space huh?LOL..we were debating about id 1 needs to be baptised in order to be saved,amoungst other things.
uwique 1 week ago
by showing some person who left the baptist church,,that gives the communiy some hope,,,lol!!!!!
uwique 1 week ago
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@uwique So, you placed the stipulation of the definition of "believe". Ok, I gave it to you - right out out of Thayer's Lexicon. If you don't like his definition, take it up with him. As for me, I'd really like to see that Mark 16: 16- parallel sentence that you can't supply. There's NOT one! LOL @ "before I answer" - you WON'T answer!
lllannallll 1 week ago
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@uwique To remind you - so you don't forget - you were asked for a parallel sentence in English to Mark 16: 16 that supports your belief. "He that (a) and (b) shall recieve $1,000, but he that does not (a) shall not." Now that's a small chore - not much, really. But, remember this: you can't do it. Not ONE sentence in the English language will support your interpretation. Wonder why? Ok, go ahead and give one.
lllannallll 1 week ago
@lllannallll u see?,,u just like johnny braggerdosio here!!LOL,,i give u scripture,and u slip rite past it,,,dont slip again.
uwique 4 days ago
@uwique Ehhh, johnny and phelps are the very same, they are really good at answering questions without answering questions.
myke336 4 days ago
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@uwique "i give u scripture,and u slip rite past it" You gave Jn 3: 18b, "He that believeth not is condemned already." No one denies that. I'll remind you that "believeth not" is translated "obeyeth not" in other passages, so the two are equivalent. I didn't "slip past" it. But you VERY MUCH slithered past giving an English parallel to Mark 16: 16, and Lord knows you can't do it. Any sentence you try to give will prove you wrong, so you just don't do it.
lllannallll 4 days ago
@uwique And it stands: "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, but he that disbelieveth shall be condemned." You plainly stated that Mark 16 does NOT teach the necessity of baptism. I asked for ONE - not five - ONE sentence in English - just make one up - in which "He that (a) and (b) shall receive $1,000, but he that does not (a) shall not." Show us ONE widdle sentence in which the (b) would not be as necessary as the (a). Can't ya even TRY?
lllannallll 4 days ago
@lllannallll actually,,the other scriptures in the bible would support my interpretation that your cult church,my beleifs dont contradict,,,yours does,.
uwique 4 days ago
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@uwique "the other scriptures in the bible would support my interpretation that your cult church" LOL No, they don't. We're on the subject of baptism, so find some verses on baptism that teach your doctrine. Wanna try Mark 16: 16 again? "He that (a) and (b) shall receive $1,000, but he that does not (a) shall not." Show us ONE widdle sentence in which the (b) would not be as necessary as the (a).
lllannallll 3 days ago
@uwique You make a classic mistake that I've never understood: when you wanna know about baptism, where do you go? If you'll notice, you run EVERYWHERE except the verses that teach you about the design and purpose of baptism. You run to a verse that says you "repent into life", and say, "See, no water!" Thus, you apparently have no use for the many verses on baptism.
lllannallll 3 days ago
@uwique How about, "He that attends class and passes his tests shall receive a diploma, but he that attends not shall not recieve it." Is that good enough for you. You think you could just "show up", not pass your tests, and STILL demand a diploma. That's a strange school you got going! THAT is an example of why I'm asking for that parallel sentence. And you know you can't give it!
lllannallll 4 days ago
@lllannallll ok,,still do u uinderstand that beleiving in water to save u contradicts scripture right??ur still not getting it!!
uwique 4 days ago
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@uwique "still do u uinderstand that beleiving in water to save u contradicts scripture right?" Believing in WATER to SAVE me? Who said that? Did you just make it up in order to deny it? If so, I'll deny it right along with you. Nobody believes that, unless it's the Catholics.
lllannallll 3 days ago
@lllannallll so what your sayin is beleiving on the lord jesus christ is not good enough??u need water,,doesnt that even look silly even the slightest?LOL
uwique 4 days ago
@uwique "so what your sayin is beleiving on the lord jesus christ is not good enough?" Dude, even YOU said that, didn't you? You turned right around and said a person not only had to believe, but love God. Any ya also said a person had to repent AFTER he believed. And ya also threw in the "sinner's prayer" too. So evidently you make it a lil harder than simple belief. Right?
lllannallll 3 days ago
@lllannallll ok..christian=beleiver
uwique 15 hours ago
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@uwique I'd love to check back and discover, to my amazement, that you actually came up with a parallel sentence that supports your interpretation. But, alas, as far as I know, there isn't one! I've never seen it. So you'll dodge .. and cry .. and whine .. and whimper - but one thing's for sure: you'll never give a simple English sentence that supports your belief. Why is that?
lllannallll 1 week ago
johnny=doulble talk at its finest!!
uwique 1 week ago
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@uwique "johnny=doulble talk at its finest!!" Uwique = no attempt at answering, at its worst. Give that parallel sentence. As it is now, the passage - Mark 16: 16 - stands firm. "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved."
lllannallll 1 week ago
@lllannallll your right,mark 16;16 stands firm,,u will be condemmed,if u dont beleive,,u see??the bibles right.
uwique 1 week ago
@lllannallll no attempt?LOL,,yeah rite!!,,as if u answer mine?
uwique 1 week ago
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@uwique "no attempt?LOL,,yeah rite!!,,as if u answer mine?" Oh, but I DID! You said "define 'believe or belief'." I gave you the definition from the lexicon. Well, "grace" is "unwarranted or unmerited favor", that's all. That's straight from the lexicon, too. So yeah, I answered - but you won't. You CAN'T!
lllannallll 1 week ago
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@uwique "Looks like you have about 4 choices: (1) quibble about the dictionary definition of believe, (2) make more demands before you answer, (3) excuse yourself on the grounds that I didnt answer some question of yours or (4) simply ANSWER IT. <-- You chose #2 and #3. I was right, again.
lllannallll 1 week ago
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@uwique I've begged for a parallel sentence to Mark 16 that would lend support to your views. You can't come up with a THING? Looks like it'd be easy. I even "paused" - dropped everything else - while you worked on it. And you've produced NOTHING.
lllannallll 1 week ago
@lllannallll before i answer your question,go find out what "grace" means..since u know everything,,you dont even know the basics..lol
uwique 1 week ago
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@uwique "To remind you - so you don't forget - you were asked for a parallel sentence in English to Mark 16: 16 that supports your belief. "He that (a) and (b) shall recieve $1,000, but he that does not (a) shall not." Now that's a small chore - not much, really. But, remember this: you can't do it. Not ONE sentence in the English language will support your interpretation. Ya ain't done it, yet - you can't - you won't - you're finished.
lllannallll 1 week ago
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@uwique "He that (1) believeth and (2) is baptized shall be saved, but he that disbelieveth shall be condemned." I'd like to see you try to "make up" a sentence in which "shall receive $1,000" is substituted for "shall be saved" Show us, in English, why "be baptized" is not connected to "shall be saved." C'mon!!!
lllannallll 1 week ago
@lllannallll He that (1) believeth and (2) is baptized shall be saved, but he that disbelieveth shall be condemned." I'd like to see you try to "make up" a sentence in which "shall receive $1,000" is substituted for "shall be saved" before i do this,,what does the word "beleiveth" mean..at least gimme your interpretation?
uwique 1 week ago
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@uwique So if I simply give you the definition of "believeth", derived from "pistis", you give me a parallel sentence? Course we all know you won't - you can't - but proceed. Do you want a dictionary/lexical definition of "believeth" before you attempt it?
lllannallll 1 week ago
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@uwique "Believeth" - "pistis/pisteuo" - means, according to the dictionary/lexicon: to trust in, to rely upon, to have confidence in, to have faith in. There ya go. Now proceed with that parallel sentence that you aint ever gonna give us. LOL
lllannallll 1 week ago
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@uwique Lord, I ask for ONE thing, and "Mighty Casey" has, once again, STRUCK OUT! I'm beginning to think you're about done with Mark 16: 16 - you finished with it before you got started.
lllannallll 1 week ago
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@uwique Cat got your fingers?
lllannallll 1 week ago
@lllannallll baptism is described in the Bible as a "burial" - cf. Ro 6:3-4; Col 2:12
uwique 1 week ago
@lllannallll youll answer my questions if u want from answers from me,,u gonna play,,play fair pal,,,ok?
uwique 1 week ago
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@uwique "youll answer my questions if u want from answers from me,,u gonna play,,play fair pal,,,ok?" Haha! Classic "bait and switch." You'll simply RELIEVE yourself of providing a parallel sentence on the suppposed grounds that I didn't answer something you asked. LMAO. Doesn't matter. I said you couldn't do it - and you can't.
lllannallll 1 week ago
johnny,,its sad,u became the very thing u hate.
uwique 1 week ago
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@uwique "ive been lookin for the scripture where it says that if your not in the COC,your a sinner.i havent found it yet." <-- kinda like how I've been looking for that parallel sentence to Mark 16: 16 that was asked of you? C'mon ... this is SAD. You know your position - give that parallel sentence. You're proving me right
lllannallll 1 week ago
@lllannallll that was asked of you? C'mon ... this is SAD. You know your position - give that parallel sentence. You're proving me right,,oh i see,,u want somthing from me??just the questions i asked you that u have NOT answered??,,now u want somthing?LOL
uwique 1 week ago
@uwique “He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned” (Mark 16:16). If we look at this verse closely, we see that it is composed of two basic statements. 1—He who believes and is baptized will be saved. 2—He who does not believe will be condemned.
uwique 1 week ago
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@uwiqueHe who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned” (Mark 16:16). If we look at this verse closely, we see that it is composed of two basic statements. 1—He who believes and is baptized will be saved. 2—He who does not believe will be condemned.this is what ur gettin from me,,try reading in its context,,he woh does not beleive,is condemmed,,does it not say that?
uwique 1 week ago
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@uwique "its sad,u became the very thing u hate." Awww, is widdle uwique all pissy poo cuz he can't give ONE - one out of millions - parallel passage that supports his view of Mark 16? "He that (a) and (b) shall receive $1,000,000, but he that does not (a) shall not." Try it! You haven't done so well so far, as I predicted.
lllannallll 1 week ago
@uwique How about this one? "He that believeth in me and write a parallel sentence to Mark 16 shall receive $1,000, but he who disbelieveth shall not." Ooops, that won't work: you'd have do both - believe and write - to have any claim to the $1,000. Well, heck, YOU try it. This is getting funny!
lllannallll 1 week ago
@lllannallll i guess u wouldnt get it since your legalistic ways have blinded u..do u know the meaning of grace yet?
uwique 1 week ago
@lllannallll why dont u take the scripture for what it says,,its seems its ok for u to connect the dots,but when i do it,i'm wrong,,get real pal!
uwique 1 week ago
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@uwique "its seems its ok for u to connect the dots,but when i do it,i'm wrong,,get real pal!" Oh, I'm very real - so "real" that I know you'll utterly fail if you attempt a parallel sentence to Mark 16: 16. You have made me a prophet; I said you wouldn't try it. And ya haven't.
lllannallll 1 week ago
@lllannallll You have made me a prophet; in your false doctrine,u would be a prophet,just like this johnny the heritic clown.
uwique 1 week ago
@lllannallll according to your doctrine,there always need a 3rd person to be saved,,do u see how stupid u make the bible look??,,and why your church is the laughing stock of churches?
uwique 1 week ago
@lllannallll The Bible is clear that we are saved by faith alone. Abraham was saved by faith, and we are saved by faith (Romans 4:1-25; Galatians 3:6-22).
uwique 1 week ago
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@uwique "why dont u take the scripture for what it says" Oh, but I did! Mark 16 places TWO conditions on salvation, and you have no right to expect a thing until you do BOTH! I asked for a parallel English sentence that lends support to your view. You have given NONE - you can't - you won't - and you're finished on that point.
lllannallll 1 week ago
@lllannallll he who doesnt beleive is condemmed,,,what part of that u dont understand?
uwique 1 week ago
@lllannallll If baptism is required for salvation, it means no one can be saved without a third party being present. In other words, if baptism is required for salvation, someone must baptize a person before he can be saved. This effectively limits who can be saved and when he can be saved.
uwique 1 week ago
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@uwique "If baptism is required for salvation, it means no one can be saved without a third party being present" Huh? We are on the subject of Mark 16: 16, and your parallel sentence? Whatsa matter? Having a tough time with it, uwique. Can't deliver the goods?
lllannallll 1 week ago
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@lllannallll is required for salvation, it means no one can be saved without a third party being present" Huh? We are on the subject of Mark 16: 16, and your parallel sentence? Whatsa matter? Having a tough time with it, uwique. Can't deliver the goods?are u kidding!!,,this is not relevant to what we are talkin about?LOLi gave it to u,that scripture says what it says
uwique 1 week ago
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@uwique What happened? All I asked for was a parallel sentence to Mark 16: 16. SOMETHING to lend some sorta credibility to your point of view. You give us NOTHING! So it stands, "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved."
lllannallll 1 week ago
@lllannallll but he that doesnt beleive is condemmed,,stop picking and choosing what u wanna beleive.
uwique 1 week ago
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@lllannallll All I asked for was a parallel sentence to Mark 16: 16. SOMETHING to lend some sorta credibility to your point of view. my point of view?LOL..i'm giving u bible,,its silly to say that its my point of view,,,nice try though!!
uwique 1 week ago
@lllannallll the countless verses where only belief or faith is mentioned (e.g. John 3:18; John 5:24; John 12:44; John 20:31; 1 John,,now go ahead,throw your water in there and contradict gods word.
uwique 1 week ago
@lllannallll tell me what "beleiveth" means??,,cuas it says that he who doesnt beleiveth is condemmed,,sounds like to me that word "beleiveth is important,,what does it mean?it sounds like a do or die situation doesnt it?
uwique 1 week ago
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@uwique "tell me what "beleiveth" means?" Oh, I did .. straight from a lexicon. Does that suit you? Or do deny lexicons and dictionaries, too? I did it simply because I really wanna see you struggle with a sentence in English parallel to Mark 16: 16. So far, as predicted, you haven't tried it.
lllannallll 1 week ago
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@uwique Looks like you have about 4 choices: (1) quibble about the dictionary definition of believe, (2) make more demands before you answer, (3) excuse yourself on the grounds that I didnt answer some question of yours or (4) simply ANSWER IT. I vote you'll whimper along with the first 3, but you'll never make it to number 4. Which curtain do you want? I think you'll use 1 and 2, personally. Go ahead!
lllannallll 1 week ago
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@lllannallll How about this one? "He that believeth in me and write a parallel sentence to Mark 16 shall receive $1,000, but he who disbelieveth shall not." Ooops, that won't work: you'd have do both - believe and write - to have any claim to the $1,000. Well, heck, YOU try it. This is getting funny!whats the matter??cant take the scripture at face value huh?,,it would contradict your man made doctrine now wouldnt it?
uwique 1 week ago
@lllannallll i still asked u about grace,,oh wait!!,,u already told me u dont know,,but that doesnt mean if i give u the meaning u would beleive me right?LOL
uwique 1 week ago
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@uwique Very good, uwique. All those who believe as you do can be proud of your efforts on that parallel sentence. You stepped right up to the plate, boy: Mighty Casey has struck out! YOU attempted to explain Mark 16, and I'm telling you: "you can't write a parallel sentence - or even close - that supports your views."
lllannallll 1 week ago
hey johnny,ive been lookin for the scripture where it says that if your not in the COC,your a sinner.i havent found it yet.
uwique 1 week ago
you right johnny,,god hates false doctrine!!LOL
uwique 1 week ago
johnny likes to antagonize.
uwique 1 week ago
if Jesus had made such a statement, He would have contradicted numerous other Bible passages that make it clear that salvation is by faith (John 3:16; John 3:36; Ephesians 2:8-9; Titus 3:5).
uwique 2 weeks ago
@uwique "if Jesus had made such a statement, He would have contradicted numerous other Bible passages." He DID make such a statement - and contradicted nothing. The contradiction is that you want to ADD repentance, ADD loving God, maybe ADD praying, yet you won't add baptism. That's the problem.
lllannallll 1 week ago
@lllannallll jesus never said that u needed to be baptized to be saved,,your church made that up,,dont put that on god.
uwique 1 week ago
@uwique "jesus never said that u needed to be baptized to be saved" Unless ye be born of water and of the Spirit, ye shall not enter the kingdom of heaven." "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved." Jesus didn't SAY it?
lllannallll 1 week ago
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@lllannallll "jesus never said that u needed to be baptized to be saved" Unless ye be born of water and of the Spirit, ye shall not enter the kingdom of heaven." "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved." Jesus didn't SAY ,,born of water??LOL..wheres baptism in that??it seems when i interpret scripture,i'm wrong,,but u interpret"born of water" as baptism,,your right,,are u serious?LOL,it doesnt say baptism there.i'm gonna be like u now,,lol
uwique 1 week ago
@lllannallll He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved." Jesus didn't SAY it?u see??when talkin to a COC member,always finish or read the next verse,,why didnt u finish the verse?but he that doesnt beleiveth,will be condemmed,,see that??he that DOESNT BELEIVETH!!!got it get it good!!
uwique 1 week ago
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@uwique "he that doesnt beleiveth,will be condemmed,,see that??he that DOESNT BELEIVETH!!!got it get it good!!" Why, certainly. I'll concede that disbelief will land someone in hell. No problem. Tell you what you do: give me a parallel sentence, and insert "shall receive $1,000" of "shall be saved." Can you do it? You won't even TRY.
lllannallll 1 week ago
@lllannallll you know why the whole denom world says baptisms not important??cuase they dont read the ephesians conversion..lol..dont you find that even a bit comical?
uwique 1 week ago
@uwique "dont you find that even a bit comical?" What I find comical is that I'm kinda pausing for that parallel sentence structure in which "believeth" is necessary, but "be baptized" is not when $1,000 is the prize. And I already know you can't give a sentence that fits your doctrine. But please, by all means, try it. I say you won't even try.
lllannallll 1 week ago
@lllannallll me legalism??i'm not the 1 with the 123456789 step plan to salvation..lol
uwique 1 week ago
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@uwique "i'm not the 1 with the 123456789 step plan to salvation..lol" LOL you got that right. You have a 1a, 1b, 1c, and 1d. You want Eph 2: 5, but it doesn't mention repentance, so you "1b" it. You want prayer, so you "1c" it. And you add EVERYTHING to it before you're done - everything except baptism.
lllannallll 1 week ago
@lllannallll i have a 1b 2b 3b??LOLif u knew what eph2 v 5 meant,you wouldnt say what your sayin,u make it sound like u have to do 200 steps to get saved,,why are u ptting the blame on me?
uwique 1 week ago
@uwique "go it. get it good" Well, tell ya what: we'll just pause, and you give me a parallel sentence to Mark 16: 16, but substitute "shall receive $1,000" for the "shall be saved." Should be easy for you. For instance, "He that believeth and holds out his hand .. shall receive $1,000, but he that disbelieveth shall not" Something like that. You CAN'T possibly do it. Go ahead!
lllannallll 1 week ago
@lllannallll He who believes and is baptized will be saved. 2—He who does not believe will be condemned.
Clearly, the determining factor regarding whether one is saved or condemned is whether or not he believes.
uwique 1 week ago
@lllannallll no matter what u say,,baptism is a work,,and u are not saved by works.
uwique 1 week ago
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@lllannallll The contradiction is that you want to ADD repentance, ADD loving God, maybe ADD praying, yet you won't add baptism. That's the problem.again,,baptism is not nessacary for salvation..
uwique 1 week ago
@lllannallll A good example of someone who was saved before being baptized is Cornelius and his household in Acts 10. We know that they were saved before being baptized because they had received the Holy Spirit, which is the evidence of salvation (Romans 8:9; Ephesians 1:13; 1 John 3:24). The evidence of their salvation was the reason Peter allowed them to be baptized.
uwique 1 week ago
@lllannallll oh my god!!when u repent,it shows your love for god,and when u cofess,your praying to god to forgive u of sin..your church has got u all legalized and confuzed.
uwique 1 week ago
@uwique "when u repent,it shows your love for god,and when u cofess,your praying to god to forgive u of sin" And ya had faith before any of it - so look at you. "By grace are ye saved through faith" <- saved right there? NO, according you. You add repentance, confession, prayer, loving God, etc to it. But you dont' add baptism - you add everything else though.
lllannallll 1 week ago
@lllannallll i'm starting to think there is somthing wrong with u.
uwique 1 week ago
@lllannallll ok..i asked u before what the meaning of grace was,,u yet to answer,,so answer it!
uwique 1 week ago
@lllannallll when u repent,it shows your love for god,and when u cofess,your praying to god to forgive u of sin" And ya had faith before any of it - so look at you. "By grace are ye saved through faith" <- saved right there? ..oh now i'm adding..lol..the bible says it,,not me,,your church is the 1 who says u need water to be saved,,hollow people produce a hollow doctrine.
uwique 1 week ago
@uwique "A good example of someone who was saved before being baptized is Cornelius" Really? I've never seen anyone yet who could prove it, yet people like you constantly try, and you'll be like the rich young ruler: "the young man went away sorrowful." Certainly you won't say the Spirit acting upon someone evidences salvation.
lllannallll 1 week ago
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@lllannallll A good example of someone who was saved before being baptized is Cornelius" Really? I've never seen anyone yet who could prove it, yet people like you constantly try, and you'll be like the rich young ruler: try reading your bible.
uwique 1 week ago
lllannallll 1 week ago
@lllannallll your doctrine confuses,cause u put all the words separate..when u repent to god,his grace abounds in u....why do u make this difficult for yourself?
uwique 1 week ago
@uwique btw,,john 3 v 5..doesnt mention baptism anywhere.Nicodemus was a pharisee,,he wouldnt have a clue of what baptism is,,just cuase it mentions water,doesnt mean it means baptism.
uwique 1 week ago
@uwique if Jesus had made such a statement,{about baptism} He would have contradicted numerous other Bible passages that make it clear that salvation is by faith (John 3:16; John 3:36; Ephesians 2:8-9; Titus 3:5).
i dont know how else u would read those scriptures,,maybe somone at the COC can dictate for u.
uwique 1 week ago
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@uwique "if your saved,by faith in jesus christ,youve repented already" Huh? Well, suppose I simply do what you've done - make an assertion? "If you're saved by faith, you've been baptized already." One assertion is as good as another.
lllannallll 1 week ago
@uwique also remember,when jesus was speaking to nicodemus ,the ordinance of Christian baptism was not yet in effect.
uwique 1 week ago
@uwique "also remember,when jesus was speaking to nicodemus ,the ordinance of Christian baptism was not yet in effect." Also, recall that John's baptism WAS in effect, and also recall that Jesus taught many things of the coming kingdom before they all went "into effect" on Pentecost. Try again.
lllannallll 1 week ago
@lllannallll if your saved,by faith in jesus christ,youve repented already,,again,,u make mountains out of molehills.
uwique 1 week ago
@lllannallll me...saved by grace thru faith,,,you.....CONFUSED!!
uwique 1 week ago
@uwique "'me...saved by grace thru faith,,,you.....CONFUSED!!" Nahh, you clearly ADD TO faith, don't you? You've already added repentance, loving God, prayer, and who knows what else. So you don't stand upon Eph 2: 8 or John 3: 16. You think "faith" includes all sorts of other things. So you're confused.
lllannallll 1 week ago
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@lllannallll 'me...saved by grace thru faith,,,you.....CONFUSED!!" Nahh, you clearly ADD TO faith, don't you? You've already added repentance, loving God, prayer, and who knows what else.,,who knows what else??somtimes,talkin to u is like talkin to an athiest,,u talk as if the bible doesnt speak of it,,you talk out of both sides of your mouth.
uwique 1 week ago
@uwique You have a strange was of kinda INSERTING whatever you want into Eph 2: 5 and John 3: 16, don't you? I'll quit the discussion if you can find a drop of repentance there. I'll quit if you can find any prayer there. So the SAME REASONING - exactly the same - that you employ to remove baptism, removes repentance and prayer. Surely you can see that.
lllannallll 1 week ago
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@lllannallll the thief on the cross was saved without being baptized (because he was under the Old Covenant), why would Jesus tell Nicodemus (who was also under the Old Covenant) that he needed to be baptized?
uwique 1 week ago
@lllannallll it is by GRACE you are saved,,now twll me,,what did i add?
uwique 1 week ago
@lllannallll or better yet,,why dont u give me your definition of grace?
uwique 1 week ago
@lllannallll You have a strange was of kinda INSERTING whatever you want into Eph 2: 5 and John 3: 16, don't you?i have a strange way?LOL..your the 1 inserting baptism,,not me..remeber,,the def of GRACE is "letting somone off the hook that doesnt deserve it",,when u repent to god,he forgives u and his grace abounds,,hes letting u off the hook from goin to hell which we all deserve.
uwique 1 week ago
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@lllannallll also remember,when jesus was speaking to nicodemus ,the ordinance of Christian baptism was not yet in effect.
uwique 1 week ago
@lllannallll here 1 more time ok??Water baptism is the outward testimony of the believer's inward faith.
uwique 1 week ago
@uwique "here 1 more time ok??Water baptism is the outward testimony" LMAO! Tell me: am I saved at the point of faith only? C'mon now. C'mon and tell me! Wanna take that position? Would you like to ADD repentance to it? How bout a lil prayer? Wanna add that? How bout loving God and Jesus? Wanna add that? C'mon, lil fella, make it plain.
lllannallll 1 week ago
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@lllannallll here 1 more time ok??Water baptism is the outward testimony" LMAO! Tell me: am I saved at the point of faith only? C'mon now. C'mon and tell me! Wanna take that position? Would you like to ADD repentance to it? How bout a lil prayer? Wanna add that? How bout loving God and Jesus? Wanna add that? C'mon, lil fella, make it plain.i can expalin in 1 sentence what u try to explain thru 100 verses,,lol
uwique 1 week ago
@lllannallll If the thief on the cross was saved without being baptized (because he was under the Old Covenant), why would Jesus tell Nicodemus (who was also under the Old Covenant) that he needed to be baptized?
uwique 1 week ago
@lllannallll john,3 v 5 “water” mentioned in this verse is not literal physical water but rather the “living water” Jesus promised the woman at the well in John 4:10 and the people in Jerusalem in John 7:37-39. It is the inward purification and renewal produced by the Holy Spirit that brings forth spiritual life to a dead sinner (Ezekiel 36:25-27; Titus 3:5). Jesus reinforces this truth in John 3:7
uwique 1 week ago
@uwique I'll wait around on your parallel sentence that supports your analysis. All you have to do is: "He that (a) and (b) shall receive $1,000, but he that does not (a) shall not receive it." Go right ahead. You can't do it, and I invite you to try. Don't feel discouraged - NO ONE can do it. Most won't even try - and you won't either, I predict. But I'd love to see you struggle with it.
lllannallll 1 week ago
@lllannallll why dont u try reading your bible.
uwique 1 week ago
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@uwique "why dont u try reading your bible." Haha. I will. Why don't you try reading it and giving that parallel sentence? Would that work for ya? You haven't done very well so far with the parallel sentence part. And I'll keep on until you do it.
lllannallll 1 week ago
@lllannallll You have a strange was of kinda INSERTING whatever you want into Eph 2: 5 and John 3: 16, don't you?u have A strange way of not knowing what it means..lol
uwique 1 week ago
@uwique "You have a strange was of kinda INSERTING whatever you want into Eph 2: 5 and John 3: 16, don't you?" You never really answered that, of course. Does Eph 2: 5 teach repentance or prayer, but not baptism. Explain it.
lllannallll 1 week ago
@lllannallll u wanna explain eph 2 v 5 then??..for by grace,,u are saved!!!oh my gosh!!,,do u need it in chinese?
uwique 1 week ago
@lllannallll well..what is the action that puts gods grace into effect??..i can tell u now,,it aint water!,,so pls answer my question.
uwique 1 week ago
@lllannallll agaIN,,what is the action that puts gods grace into effect?
uwique 1 week ago
@uwique "agaIN,,what is the action that puts gods grace into effect?" I'm not sure - you tell me: I assume the "action" is a "work" on man's part. In other words, man "does" it. Man does some kinda "work". So what is it?
lllannallll 1 week ago
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@lllannallll "agaIN,,what is the action that puts gods grace into effect?" I'm not sure - you tell me: I assume the "action" is a "work" on man's part. In other words, man "does" it. Man does some kinda "work". So what is it?so its a fair judgement that if i ask u what grace is,you wouldnt know?
uwique 1 week ago
@lllannallll i told u,grace is basically letting somone off the hook who doesnt deserve it,,now what is god letting u off the hook from?it is a work,,its gods grace,its a work from up above and its relative to what we done,now,,what do u think we do?,,when u repent to god,god forgives u of sin,therefore,letting u off the hook of condemnation.THATS grace.
uwique 1 week ago
@lllannallll repenting to god puts gods grace into effect..look up the definition of grace.
uwique 1 week ago
@lllannallll it is important to realize that while it tells us something about believers who have been baptized (they are saved), it does not say anything about believers who have not been baptized.
uwique 1 week ago
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@uwique I'll wait around on your parallel sentence that supports your analysis. All you have to do is: "He that (a) and (b) shall receive $1,000, but he that does not (a) shall not receive it." Go right ahead. You can't do it, and I invite you to try. Don't feel discouraged - NO ONE can do it. Most won't even try - and you won't either, I predict. But I'd love to see you struggle with it. Step it up!
lllannallll 1 week ago
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@uwique Don't prove me right by a lack of effort on your part. Give that parallel sentence ... "He that (a) and (be) shall receive $1,000 or $1,000,000, but he that does not (a) shall not." Should be easy if your rhetoric is worth a nickel. You haven't even tried.
lllannallll 1 week ago
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@uwique All you've done is simply claimed that "He that believeth and IS NOT baptized shall be saved." You ASSERTED it! Well, I don't care for your assertions, but I'd love to see you attempt a parallel sentence. Certainly you realize that you're gonna flop on an attempt, but, land's sakes .. TRY!
lllannallll 1 week ago
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@uwique "it is important to realize that while it tells us something ..." Blah @ your rhetoric. Poor thing! I asked for one - not ten, not five - but ONE parallel English sentence that supports your analysis. I thought you might be the first to give it, but you wisely have declined, so far. Do it, dude! You know you're right, and it'd be so easy! LMAO
lllannallll 1 week ago
@lllannallll just because Mark 16:16 says that “he who believes and is baptized will be saved” it does not mean that if one believes, but is not baptized, he will not be saved. Yet, this is exactly what is assumed by those that look to this verse to support the view that baptism is necessary for salvation.
uwique 1 week ago
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@uwique "Yet, this is exactly what is assumed by those that look to this verse" Yeah, yeah ... I'll wait for that parallel sentence. Don't' prove me right! I prophesied that you couldn't do it, and - why, you haven't tried. So what's the reason, uwique? You understand what I'm asking you to do. Ok, go ahead.
lllannallll 1 week ago
@lllannallll remember,grace is basically letting somone off the hook who doesnt deserve it..now,,what is god letting u off the hook of?
uwique 1 week ago
@lllannallll To automatically read baptism into this verse simply because it mentions “water” is unwarranted.
john 3;5
uwique 1 week ago
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@lllannallll that you employ to remove baptism, removes repentance and prayer. Surely you can see that.,,you tell me,,how does water remove conffession?water has nothing to do with repentance,,you take a sentence of 5 words and every word in the sentence means somthing else..lol
uwique 1 week ago
if Jesus had made such a statement, He would have contradicted numerous other Bible passages that make it clear that salvation is by faith (John 3:16; John 3:36; Ephesians 2:8-9; Titus 3:5).
thats water baptism.
uwique 2 weeks ago
i studied your doctrine johnny,,your church is not in the bible.
uwique 2 weeks ago
This guy talks too fast. The WBC people make more sense than he does. He sounds afraid of them.
FooChowDump 2 weeks ago
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@FooChowDump this guy is the biggest clown in N carolina.
uwique 2 weeks ago
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they didnt know where the ephesians conversion was???omg!!!i wonder why??maybe its cuase the COC made it up..lol..its weird how people distort gods word.
uwique 2 weeks ago
@uwique "its weird how people distort gods word." <-- Yep, kinda like when you simply MADE UP a fairy tale about God swooping in and MIRACULOUSLY extending the life of a true believer who needs to repent, yet LETS THE MAN DIE before baptism. That is your position. Oh, did you bother to explain John 3: 3-5. Course not. You can't.
lllannallll 2 weeks ago