A Jew bitch fuck u. U may have brought it down but we will never give up we r rebuilding it u ducking Jews u could suck a big cock asshole we will beat u in war and make u jews r slaves and make bitches clean up after us we will never give up we shall and never will give up until we make world peace even with evil so how about we go and fucking bring down one of Ur buildings bitch we will win and bring world peace
Ah, so the only things that can go boom in a fire are controlled demolition explosives. That would be news to virtually every fire fighter. Search the terms "fire" and "explosion" on Youtube and see how stupid a suggestion that is. Hey, I have a 2 caret cubic zirconia that looks just like a diamond. Must be a diamond then! It's yours for only $500. Deal?
@Berkeley626 Exactly, cause these firemen NEVER before experience fire and explosions, probably the first time they ran into a burning building...
If you didn't get it by know let me tell you that city firemen probably experience fire and explosions more than once. Exploding computers screens, gas tanks etc.
If they tell you they were shocked by so many explosions that it seems it was controlled demolition, you listen.
@DrVresig ~ These firefighters were members of Ladder 1 which the Naudet brothers were attached to for their documentary on a probie firefighter. If you watch their film " 9/11 " and listen to their interviews it is very clear that these firefighters DO NOT think the WTC was brought down by a controlled demolition.
@yoyo12345393 I've seen it, and like some testimony's says: "It was like a bomb had gone of in the lobby."
You might wanna read the paper "118 Witnesses: The Firefighter's Testimony to Explosions in the Twin Towers"
Now you may have some magical theory on how plane parts got transported down to the lobby and cause a big explosion, but then you actually need to brake the laws of physics. And I really don't like to mix Fantasy with real events.
@yoyo12345393 What they say on the record is a whole different story than what they say behind close doors. Speaking out against the official story(fairy tale) is and will be a carrer killer for many people. There is a cop in the UK who was fired because he believed 911 was a inside job. There is a fear across the globe that if you speak out your gunna get bit on the ass by the powers to be. So don't spout off like you know the facts when you don't!
bro I don't know if you realize this, but commercial and/or cargo airplanes don't use jet fuel (the highly explosive fuel used in fighter jets, etc.). the fuel they use is real close to diesel. like you could throw a match in a bucket of it and it won't light, no matter how many times you try. and obviously the planes flew into the buildings, they're just saying that the planes weren't the cause of the building collapse.
Thats bullshit,, no video shows floors and floors being detonated , those dam planes were flown into those buildings or you are calling everybody that was there a liar. Not only the jet fuel but think of all the paper and combustable things that would burn in those buildings. Better luck finding the grassy knoll shooter.
@real1abcda yeah just like any government action, somebody screwed up, they had to send in someone from the demo team to light the fuse , so to speak...
Like I tell all the other jack boot licking slaves, don't worry your pretty little head people like you have always collaborated with the crminals for their own comfort and personal gain, they'll have a nice little job for you as an informant or door to door arms collector or maybe if your lucky head BIBLE/CONSTITUTION burner and they'll throw you a few scraps for your complete obedience. Won't that be nice little slave?
and you cannot abandon that skeptisism because it is who you are as an atheist and to do so would mean denying everything that you are and you cannot do that. Its like people in cults, you can give them every single fact the completely destroys their believes without doubt and when you asked them to re-cant and deny the cult and to leave, they look at you like youre crazy and they say"NO" they will not. How can you have any hope of changing these people? you can't it's impossible, very sad!
They *ARE* telling the truth. That is: they described what they saw happen on 9/11 when one of towers buckled and collapsed; no reasonable person would deny that. But "Truthers" are not reasonable people, so they apply their own wildly distorted/warped interpretation and call it "evidence" or "proof" when it's neither. If anything, the firemens' anecdotal description of the collapse would seem to *refute* the controlled demo theory. (cont'd)
@usergreg1498 Are you serious? wake up and get some help. Do some research on controlled demolitions and stop being so blind and nieve. Either you are a CIA troll or some highschool kid.
@Allanlegacy43 The guy who suspects that I am a "CIA troll" asks to know if I'm "serious;" it's stuff like this that makes me cherish Truthers. I *have* done research on controlled demolitions, and it does not take much research to figure out that a) controlled demolitions do not begin at the top and proceed downward as they would have if the WTC was dropped in such a manner, b) the amount of prep work required drop a building 1/3 the size of the WTC... (cont'd)
@usergreg1498 Why do I bother, it's like trying to convince people that Jesus was God in the flesh. I know I Know your an atheist and Jesus never existed and the idea of God is a children's fantasy, I'm so glad there are so many intelligent people like you on this planet to keep the rest of us dummies in check!
@Allanlegacy43 So: rather than cogently refute what I say (i.e. show examples of controlled demos progressing from top to bottom, show any evidence of knowing professionals in the demolition trade supporting the controlled demo theory, explain how the herculean labor of prepping a buildings like WTC 1, 2, and 7 could be done without anyone catching on) you dismiss me with a characterization of my religious faith whose accuracy rivals the controlled demolition theory.
@usergreg1498 I knew it, I knew it, every single one of them is an atheist. It is evident that an atheist will not believe for any factual reasons but they don't believe beacause they are slaves to the very idea of "not believing" it is their drug their opium if you will. Even if I were to list all the facts that comletely destroy the governments story and incontrovertibly show that it was an inside job, you still wouldn't believe it because you are a slave to being a skeptic about everthing.
@Allanlegacy43 There are no "facts" that "incontrovertibly destroy the governments' story. The lopsided majority of such "facts" and "evidence" has been systematically debunked and/or shown for being the bullshit that it is; every single time this happens, the Truthers either a) change the question or b) dismiss it as a lie because the answer is provided by some federal entity, because presumably any info released or explanation given is automatically bogus by virtue of... (cont'd)
@Allanlegacy43 (cont'd) ...it coming from the government, and nothing the government says can ever be anything but a lie (not that having zero intention of accepting anything the feds have to say stops Truthers from demanding the feds provide the answers they seek) or c) if the source debunking the Truther BS is *not* an "official" one, then the source must surely be a "shill" in the act of aiding and abetting the governments' crimes.
@Allanlegacy43 Besides that: I never cease to be amazed that the "Truth Movement" can't make its case against the government stick, even though it is supposedly bulletproof, airtight, and cannot possibly be refuted.
@Allanlegacy43 P.S. I thought that skepticism, a questioning nature, and a refusal to believe things to be true simply be virtue of be presented as such absent plenty of "independent research" were traits common to people in the "Truth Movement," and the very reason why Truthers are so darned smart and awesome and stuff.
@Allanlegacy43 (cont'd) ...would have been impossible to conceal, c) given the supposed "obviousness" of the controlled demo theory, there is a curiously widespread-- nay utter and monolithic-- lack of support for the theory among professionals involved in the controlled demo trade. If an unschooled layman can see how obvious the "controlled demo" scenario is, why is there not a single person with extensive professional knowledge and experience throwing their weight behind it?
I think those firefighters are telling the truth. I want to here more from them. Thats why I want to here the names of these guys. I want to hear more. THATS WHO WANTS TO KNOW!
BUSH ASS KISSERS are miserable, sorry fucks, wasted human protoplasm. On 911, firefighters were HEROES. Now --the SHILLS who 'defend' BUSH'S pack of goddamned lies have turned on the firefighters. I HAVE NO RESPECT for anyone lying, defending or professing a lie re: 911 and even LESS for those getting PAID to lie. Legally, anyone providing material support for the real culprits is an accomplice to mass murder and high treason. Keep that in mind when the reckoning occurs.
Now --If I should learn that someone on K-street or elsewhere has retained PAID LIARS to SPAM YouTube as has been alleged by responsible persons. I will file a class action lawsuit against them for FELONY OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE. Listen up---knowingly lying about a crime, in this case MASS MURDER AND HIGH TREASON, is a federal fucking crime. Now ---is that something you really want to be a party to?
@lennhart K Street is full of lobbyists. Lobbyists don't do the bidding of the government; if anything, they bring pressure to bear on the government to do the bidding of whatever interest or lobby they work for. And I don't know why I even bothered to point this out, because you are clearly too stupid to figure this out. Stop trying to sound wise and "knowing," because all you're doing is illustrating what an utter tool you are.
@lennhart You should file a civil suit against companies that used to make lead-based paint. Any one of your posts here could make a reasonable person believe you'd ingested large quantities of it as a child...up until as recently as last Tuesday. I'd wager that if you acted as your own counsel-- and made a case as lucid and coherent as your musings over 9/11-- in 10 minutes, counsel for the defense would concede and hand you a blank check just so they could get away from your dumb ass.
"Pilots for 9/11 Truth has reported that the data stream from the flight data recorder (FDR) for American Airlines flight 77, which allegedly struck the Pentagon on 9/11, shows that the cockpit door never opened during the entire 90 minute flight. The data was provided by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), which has refused to comment." Also:Wash. Post reported HANI HANJOUR didn't have a ticket. How did he get on board? BUSH'S 911 CROCK is a cover up of MASS MURDER AND HIGH TREASON
@lennhart First, the "Truthers" claim that no black box was found, and claimed (as though it was beyond question) that the boxes either didn't exist, or contained evidence damaging the official explanation. Then, their existence was verified, but its contents were not made public; which "proved" it must have evidence to buttress their case. Then, when the contents were made public, they were dismissed as blatant forgeries (see also: Flight 93). *NOW** the "Truthers" claim that... (cont'd)
@lennhart (cont'd) ...that the lost ("whoops! found 'em!") tapes which were phoney-- ("Whoops! Now they're real!") contain data that Flight 77s cockpit door was supposedly never opened, which presumably means it wasn't hijacked. Except that finding the black boxes would, by implication, mean that Flight 77 (not some nifty Global Hawk drone thingie) hit the Pentagon...a direct contradiction to "Truther" dogma that Flight 77 never hit the Pentagon. (cont'd)
@lennhart (cont'd) For me, he biggest mystery is the one having to do with "Truthers" somehow expecting to be taken seriously. They claim to be able to unravel some convoluted, labyrinthine secret government scheme deployed on 9/11, yet can't even keep their own BS stories straight.
To the SHILL who parrots the official lie:1) you are a liar! 2) you lie to yourself 3) you post CRAP on youtube that even a liar like you must surely know is a lie. That makes you a CROOK. If you get PAID ANYTHING TO SHILL THIS SHIT ON YOU TUBE YOU ARE OVERPAID! It was a great philosopher who said: "A man who does not know the truth is just an idiot but a man who knows the truth and calls it a lie is a CROOK!" That sums up the BUSH ASSKISSER 911 LIAR MOVEMENT to a person. They are ALL crooks
@lennhart 1) A liar, by definition, is someone who deliberately and knowingly says things that are not true. Thus, if I were a liar, there is nothing at all remarkable about the notion that I sometimes am obliged to confront the ugly truth that I know that I'm lying about the stuff I'm lying about. That's something of an oxymoron (not to be confused with the regular sort of moron you are). 2) Bertolt Brecht wasn't any sort philospher, great or otherwise. ..(cont'd)
@lennhart Wanna know what else he said? ""History will pay its respects to...the Socialist Unity Party of Germany. I...assure you of my allegiance to the SED. "This was directed towards the then-First Secretary of the SED-- one of the most corrupt a brutally repressive totalitarian regimes in modern history-- as a vote of confidence (the only voting the SED allowed) in support of the partys' decision to invite the ever-helpful Soviets to roll in and viciously crush the Uprising of 1953 (cont'd)
@lennhart which began when 300 contruction workers committed the seditious and treasonous act of demanding that they be paid their full salary. Despite being a committed Marxist, he denied it when testifying before the House Un-American Activities Committee, and was later thanked by its Vice Chairman for his cooperation in their ongoing witch hunt that royally fucked over many of his fellow artists. 3) I voted against Bush in 2004; what was that you said about "falsly attributing.."?
AA says Ft 11 didn't fly that day. I have the official BTS records that prove that AA confirmed that. In fact, You DO know that BTS is the Bureau of Transportation Statistics! The info was posted on WIKI leaks originally, confirmed by BTS. Secondly, I checked matched the IP addr of the person posting the info on WIKI. It was AA alright, but, in any case, the information was confirmed by BTS. In a word, the OFFICIAL THEORY OF 911 IS A BALD FACED FUCKING LIE!
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@lennhart So, lemme get this straight: you think that Flight 11 never flew on 9/11, but rather another plane (or something) did...and then, whoever was behind this clever subterfuge decided to meticulously document it for some reason. I don't suppose you'd care to tell me who it was that called various passengers' family members to inform them they were hijacked, and what the government did with them?
@usergreg1498 READ WHAT I wrote...I said that AA said that ft 11 NEVER flew that day. If you have a problem with that ---TAKE IT UP WITH AA, dipshit!
@usergreg1498 MOREOVER --I wrote that BTS, the fucking, federal BUREAU OF TRANSPORTATION confirmed preciesly that. If you have a problem with that TAKE IT UP WITH THE FEDERAL FUCKING GOVERNMENT, you moron!
@lennhart I doubt the feds have the info I seek, since the $64,000 question in *my* mind is: why are 'Truthers" -- who've spent years essentially claiming that every breath of every syllable of every word produced by the government can be assumed to be a total crock of shit because the government would *NEVER* tell the truth, especially regarding 9/11-- *NOW* claiming that info culled from a federal agency is pure, unimpeachable truth and must not be doubted?
@usergreg1498 hey ---that';s quite a conspiracy theory you posited. Honestly, 911 LIARS are not only LIARS, they are all to a person MORONS. LOL LOL LOL I repeat, what I posted is supported by OFFICIAL U.S. DOCUMENTS, AA, and a WHO IS look up verifying the source at AA. I suggest you visit BTS, you just might learn a thing about how easy it is to verify whether a 'FLIGHT' few or did not.
Think about it, you 911 numbnuts, if KEROSENE (jef fuel) could weaken STEEL, JETS COULD NOT FLY. The interiors of the engines would would either weaken to failure, melts, of 'vaporize' IN FLIGHT. LOL LOL LOL The conclusion is this: EVERY 911 LIAR IS EITHER STUPID or is a LIAR or BOTH! LOL LOL LOL No building has EVER collapsed as a result of a kerosene fire and/or a kerosene fire as a result of an airliner crashing it.
1) NO SKYSCRAPER has ever in history collapsed symmetrically without prior preparation 2) KEROSENE has never, ever in all of history ever melted or sufficient weak-end STEEL to the point of collapse --let alone a SYMMETRICAL ONE. If you think there has been, CITE IT and PROVE. Simply, kerosene (jet fuel) has NEVER EVER weakened steel. Kerosene won't even weaken a hard-ware BOUGHT CAMP STOVE, you idiots 911 liars!
@lennhart 1) Right... "WTC 1 & 2 were on fire, and they collapsed; other skyscrapers were on fire and did not." Well, there's a valid comparison by which to hang a theory on when accusing hundreds of people of abetting the mass murder of thousands of other people. I was wondering if you'd considered the possibility that one minor detail set the WTC collapses apart from the others: they were the only ones rammed by 200-ton objects moving at 500 mph, causing them to explode violently. (cont'd)
@usergreg1498 It is a PERFECTLY good analogy. Fact is NO STEEL FRAMED BUILDING has ever collapsed symnetrically as a result of a mere kerosene fire.Until you have THROWN a steel beam into a kerosene fire and either weakened it or melted it and documented your results, got them peer-reviewed by real scientists you are full of shit,delusional. Anyone who believes that a KEROSENE FUCKING FIRE is gonna bring down STEEL BEAM construction skyscrapers is DELUSIONAL.It has NEVER happened and won't.
@usergreg1498 Let's get something else straight. I NEVER listen to Alex Jones. Let's get something else straight, you do not make points when you attribute positions to other people that they have NOT taken. When you do that, it makes you A GODDAMNED LIAR. Come to think of it, that is precisely what you are. And you're stupid. I have no respect for you.
@lennhart (cont'd) Now, I sure do hate to raise all sorts of nit-picky issues like that, but I like to be thorough. Plus I'm not a self-important, delusional, gullible slobbering moron who will believe anything spoon-fed to him by Alex Jones, and who is possessed by an interesting, rarified form of ignorance practiced by "Truthers;" before 9/11, I never saw so many people actually making an effort to remain clueless. 2) The only people I ever see blathering about "melted steel" are...(cont'd)
@lennhart (cont'd) ..."Truthers" doing what they do best: attacking claims nobody ever made in order to show the people who never made them are liars or fools. But then again, it takes more than a simple lack of basis in reality to disabuse a "Truther" of one of their favorite claims. Now then: I leave you now, so you are welcome to go back to the palpably ironic task of insulting the intelligence of others by way of proving what a clueless fucktard you are.
@CrazyRay7979 The only one pushing a BULLSHIT CONSPIRACY is you. CLUE: what did ali baba and his 19 hijacks do IF NOT CONSPIRE??? You stupid piece of shit!
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@Camyum ...whereas Camyum and the other "Truthers" lie and make utter fools of themselves on a voluntary/pro bono basis. I must say, I admire your dedication.
@Camyum I am saying they werent literally claiming demolition/explosives. they were exaggerating/comparing. Wheres rest of interview?
"Looked like" is what they said. Probably did.
But when someone can explain how explosives were planted in WTC1 and 2 unseen and undiscovered I;ll start listening. Exactly when were they planning to detonate? Were the planes just a stroke of luck and cover to detonate? Bullshit.
@MavisRileyJunior I think america just needed a reason to go to the middle east. I mean they created the taliban in the first place. They gave them weapons.When bin laden's was fighting the russians he was america's ally. Few years after that bin laden started the al qaida. Its just all 2 weird to just believe what the goverment is saying.
@JPnijmegen 1) The US didn't create the Taliban. The Taliban was created by strict fundamentalist Islamic clerics proselytizing the dejected, fearful, and hopeless Afghans who'd fled for their lives away from the fighting between the Soviets and the mujahideen to camps on the lawless, unregulated "frontier areas" along the Afghan border. 2) Oh, the US armed the Taliban? I don't suppose you could go find a pic or two showing Taliban fighters armed with US military hardware. ...(cont'd)
@JPnijmegen ...(cont'd) Osama bin Laden's virulent hatred and profound loathing of the US and all things American was fully developed during the 1980s Tthere's no verifiable evidence I know of proving that bin Laden enjoyed a nice, cozy relationship with the US, particularly when it came to America throwing it's weight around in parts of the world that he felt were sacred to the Islamic faith and defiled by the presence of foreign non-Muslim troops. The extent of any "alliance" ..(cont'd)
@JPnijmegen ...(cont'd) that existed between the federal government and bin Laden was that both parties supported the mujahideen in their fight against the Soviets, although in a mutually-exclusive way that served their own wildly-differing aims and objectives. Once the Soviets showed their backs to Afghans and bailed out in '88, our "buddy" bin Laden had been loudly critical of the US, eventually issuing his series of fatwas where he berated (among other things) the US ...(cont'd)
@JPnijmegen (cont'd) for the principle sin of maintaining a strong military presence in his back yard. In 1990 he exhorted the Saudi royal family to withdraw their request for military assistance from the US following the in Iraqi invasion of Kuwait and allow him to raise and lead his own private (and pious) army. The Saudis knocked him and went ahead as planned, which shortly thereafter compelled bin Laden to obnoxiously criticize the US and the Saudi royals, so loudly and viciously (cont'd)
@JPnijmegen (cont'd) nd viciously that the Saudi government canked his citizenship and kicked him to the curb. He then was granted asylum in the Sudan, only to have that collapse after the US more or less coerced the Sudanese into booting him out.
@MavisRileyJunior You forgot to mention WTC 7. Is this intentional or ignorance? Please explain how this third building collapsed through the path of greatest resistance attaining free fall speed with out ever being hit by a plane. You can't which is why is wasn't even mentioned in the 911 cOmmission report. Watch the footage and it obviously "looks like" a controlled demolition which is what it was. Yes the planes were a cover to detonate. Now we are involved in an endless war...
@Camyum Ok here: how did explosives survive raging fires in WTC7? The intense fires were left uncontrolled for what, 6 hours? And you want to believe that the explosives and subsequent infrastructure put in place for the collapse survived it all and worked exactly as expected. Come on, it's utterly, utterly ridiculous!
@MavisRileyJunior What's utterly ridiculous is believing that Building 7 specifically and all three world trade center buildings generally were anything but a controlled demolition. How did 7 collapse? Fire weakened the steel? Your argument is weak.
@Camyum Yes utterly ridiculous! You cannot counter argue my points so just repeat your CT!
Start with some evidence and an explanation of how the buildings were rigged with explosives and how WTC7 burned for 6-7 hours without having any effect on explosives or their detonators!
@Camyum 1) Maybe if were to be the first "Truther" to actually *READ* the compendium of info compiled by NIST supporting the "official explanation" before mocking it and dismissing it as a load of BS you'd have your answer. WTC 7 collapsed due to a confluence of events mostly having to do with severe damage to WTC 7s load-bearing structure by falling debris during the collapse of WTC 1 and 2 (including a 10-story gash in the southwest corner) exacerbated ...(cont'd)
@Camyum (cont'd) ...by fires burning within the building. Of course, this explanation is not well-regarded by most "Truthers" who insist that it's insane compared to their own notion that the conspirators decided for whatever reason to blow up the WTC 7 even though it was in supposedly pristine condition just for shits and giggles and assume nobody would notice this rather curious anomaly. This has largely to due with the fact that "Truthers" tend to be egregiously ignorant of... (cont'd)
@usergreg1498 It is not supported by those who are NOT FUCKING liars; the official conspiracy theory is utterly impossible. There is NOT a single reputable physicist in the world who would endorse the PSEUDO SCIENCE and BULLSHIT that you just believe in order to believe the official conspiracy theory and 2) secondly, a scientific paper, peer reviewed by about 20 (as I recall) distinguished scientists (physicists, chemists, engineers) has established presence of NANO THERMITE in WTC wreckage
@Camyum (cont'd) ...of the actual facts of the case, and because their assessment is largely born from and supported by their own steadfast believe that everyone else is either a "paid shill" or a moron who lacks the sort of keen wit and awesome intellect that allows "Truthers" to plainly see what others don't. 2) Yes, it's true: the 9/11 COmmission made the brazen omission of any sort of analysis and/or explanation as to why the WTC buildings collapsed. However, I would hasten...(cont'd)
@Camyum (cont'd) to point out that there happens to be a credible reason for this; the reason being that performing such an analysis and crafting an explanation from the results was outside the scope of the 9/11 Commissions' investigation. Stated another way: the 9/11 Commission had nothing what-so-fucking-ever to do with explaining the collapses. If you're feeling like you're as much of a drooling idiot as you look, try taking solace in the fact that this mistake is common among Truthers.
@MavisRileyJunior So...they say that they heard a series of loud noises resembling a series of explosions, and thus we have damning proof of a controlled demolition...moments later they describe a massive cloud of debris and pulverized concrete dust that likely enveloped them completely as it did hundreds of cops, rescue workers, and civilians, and their credibility becomes questionable...?
@usergreg1498 Show me this damning evidence and explain my points from two posts ago. What is questionable is that they are merely saying what it "Looked like"
I will bet you any money if you asked those firemen now they woudl not say it was a demolition.
@MavisRileyJunior I worded my comment a tad clumsily; like you, I think the controlled demo theory (or any of the other pinheaded rationalizations the "Truth Movement" keeps fobbing off) is pure, 100% top-shelf bullshit.
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It doesn't look like the firefighters meant there were literally detonation charges in the buildings or that detonation charges brought down the building.
@xianforaday {"It doesn't look like [they] meant there...detonation charges brought down the building. "} That's because they are not. This sort of thing has been par for the course for "Truthers," who absolutely **LOVE** portraying themselves as dispassionate seekers of unbiased and objective truth and disciples of science and logic while having little demonstrated regard or interest in either. I think that any reasonable person who, having spent the better part of a decade... (cont'd)
@xianforaday (cont'd) ...being wrong all the time in their assessment of something, would (at the very least) be willing to concede that said assessment is maybe less than airtight and in possible need of revision. Not so with "Truthers=;" to them, every they're utterly chumped on some facet of the 9/11 debate, it's more evidence that some sinister cabal of evil-doers is arrayed against them and trying to derail their quest to find out that they (in actuality) have already decided they know.
@usergreg1498 You're wrong. Take a look at "Seven is Exploding" here on YouTube. Even with a closed mind, one can't deny the truth in this short video. Look for yourself. This particular segment is from Italy.
We're not wrong. But feel free to keep being deceived by your government. Most of the sheeple in this country are...but are starting to wake up.
@tparbs Thanks...I wasn't going to watch this because-- close-minded dupe and Fox New fan that I apparently am-- I assumed it wouldn't bring any new perspective to the debate not already beaten to death for years. You know what? I was right. 1) I knew I was in for some mind-blowing/hard-hitting truth when the segment started right in with the "...no other steel structure collapsed from fire," gambit. This is a pathetically ignorant over-simplification that attacks a claim nobody made.
@tparbs 2) Next comes the shocking revelation that the 9/11 Commission "...avoids mentioning [it] ...as if it never existed." Of course, this loses a lot of it's "punch" when reminded that analyzing and explaining the collapses was something that THE 9/11 COMMISSION REPORT HAD **NOTHING** WHATSO-FUCKING-EVER TO DO WITH FIGURING OUT WHY THE BUILDINGS COLLAPSED!!!" 3) Predictably, Dutch demo expert Danny Jowenko is trotted out and shown voicing support for the demo theory. (cont'd)
@tparbs 3) Jowenko is a minor celeb of sorts to "Truthers," perhaps because unlike almost all the other "experts" that they cite to back up their inane theories, he is possessed of the quality of actually knowing what the fuck he is talking about. "Truther" adulation for Jowenko currently appears to be unabated by the fact that Jowenko has gone on record repeatedly saying that he was both misled and misquoted regarding his take on the collapses by the "Truth Movement."
@tparbs It'd have been really nice if the clip featured at least one other demo expert who endorses the "controlled demo" theory...too bad there aren't any. 4) Then we have side-by-side comparisons of WTC 7 and a controlled demolition; the fact that they both generate a huge amount of dust apparently means something. 5) Then we are reminded that BBC news stringers covering the the collapses stated incorrectly that WTC 7 had collapsed when, in fact, it didn't...(cont'd)
@tparbs 5) why a reportage error by one news outlet out of the mass profusion of media outlets covering one of the most chaotic catastrophes in modern history is so fucking suspicious, I have no idea. I've asked "Truthers" every time they bring this up why I'm supposed to be suspicious, none of them every give me anything beyond "Well...it's just suspicious!" or the non-sequetorial gem "Well...if you can't figure it out..."
@tparbs 6) The clip suggests that this was because they were misled by CNN previously making a similar error. The film then asks the provocative question: "How could anyone know how the building would collapse 1 hour before it did?" Gee, how about this, Mr. Italian Narrator: "Maybe because they got bum info from one of their feeds and ran it, since they and their competitors were frantically trying to keep up with each other covering this disaster?"
@tparbs 6) New reporters make mistakes all the time; this is why they issue corrections, or have an "Errata" section in print media. The producers of this clip should know this, since by this point in the clip they've made a number of misleading errors, and they had *YEARS* to figure this shit out and get it right; CNN and the BBC were covering it live, as it happened, and before anyone had the first goddamn clue as to what was really going on.
@tparbs 7) The "No steel structure..." b.s. gets mentioned a second time. My confidence in the veracity of this clip is soaring ever higher. 8) The clip mentions that the fires in the WTC 7 building were hardly "devastating;" maybe not, but then I think this observation is a bit lacking since the clip fails to mention the huge gashes from falling debris that compromised much of the load-bearing structure. I guess a gaping, 10-story hole gouged out of one corner isn't really worth mentioning.
@tparbs 9) The clip then states as though it's fact that because the police were hustling civilians out of the area as early as 1:00 PM, they surely had foreknowledge of the collapse. This, I guess, as opposed to some absurd theory that eccentrics such as myself might be more inclined to believe...such as the fact that because the primary function of the NYPD (or any other police department in the US) is to protect public safety, they may have decided...
@tparbs 9) ...after some brief, hasty deliberation that there was a chance-- remote though it may have been-- that being in close proximity to the WTC plaza posed a significant risk to public saftey due to being under attack by homicidal maniacs ramming airliners into it. 10) 10) The clip then seeks to buttress this claim by relaying sound bites of NYPD and NYFD personnel saying the building was going to collapse, or "blow up."
@tparbs 10) ... I'd have thought that this was because a team of firefighters doing a brief recon of the WTC 7 sight advised their immediate superiors that the building had sustained significant visible damage, and appeared to be swaying and/or creaking loudly from doing so; they were advised to clear off and not assume the risk of going inside. This is what Larry Silverstein was talking about in his infamous "pull" comment.
@tparbs 11) That said, I would be highly intrigued to know why the secret evil cabal who planned and executed the attacks reckoned that it would be a really good idea to inform the largest police force and the largest municipal fire department in the entire fucking country that they were getting ready to launch an attack against Lower Manhatten and slaughter thousands of innocent people (and, as it turned out, a rather large number of cops and firemen) and as such, they should...
@tparbs 11) ...seriously consider staying a safe distance away. By implication, the video would seem to suggest that not a single one of these guys had a crisis of conscience about this and tried to forestall the plan or break their silence to the media afterwards. 12) The narrator returns to the underlying thesis that WTC 7 could not have been done in by fire, "...as claimed by the official version."
@tparbs 12)...Of course, as anyone who a) has taken the liberty of actually reading the "official version" given by NIST and b) doesn't have his head jammed up Alex Jones' ass all the way to their shoulders knows that fire was determined to be but one factor attributed to the collapse, not the *ONLY* factor.
@tparbs One more item related to Point #11: what exactly would explain the notion that the cops and firemen responding to the attack were tipped off to the impending attack, then tasked with hustling any and all civilian bystanders to a safe distance away from the collapse while the fates of thousands more unlucky souls inside the buildings were being sealed? Wouldn't a higher number of casualties have been desirable, seeing how this was intended to provoke massive outrage?
@usergreg1498 Didn't read one of, what, 6 to 10 replies from you in my Inbox? Like I'm gonna take the time to read all your dribble? You've been blocked. :D Don't bother replying, since I won't receive it. LOL
@tparbs The word is "drivel," you dumb shit. As for any expectations on my part that you'd bother to read anything I posted here: I'm not the slightest bit surprised you're not...one thing I've learned about self-described disciples of the "9/11 Truth Movement" is that their fearless, dogged search for objective truth has no room in it for anything that conflicts with their predetermined conclusion, especially when it shows they are wrong (as they *always* are).
@usergreg1498 Did you know NIST figured zero thermal conductivity of steel? You can't "turn off" the thermal conductivity of steel just to fit your theory. Talk about pseudoscience. How much do you get paid to lie on Youtube and try and distract people from the truth? What a lame job. You're not very good at it.
@Elberiver11 Maybe everyone in the "9/11 Truth Movement" could start going to their mansions and corporate suites en masse and bore them to death with bullshit like the kind in your last comment.
central columns standing nearly as tall the the building then the updraft of the dust rolls up and covers it. then the cloud clears showing no columns left except one or two left. one of them turns to power in mid air. It doesn't fall it just changes into a puff of smoke. It must have been really advanced materials
@ed11561 One of the "eyewitnesses" went on the say that he and others in the same rescue team were "chased down" by what he described as "huge cloud of shit," despite having a 2-block head-start. I've said for *YEARS* that a large, malevolent, cloud-like mass of sentient fecal matter was to blame for the collapse of WTC 1, 2, & 7, only to be made the target of derision and mockery over it. Now there's NO DENYING that I was right, and anyone who says otherwise is a government-funded shill!
@cadu1995 No, they weren't talking about my asshole. Look, "Truthers" insist that anything rescue crews describe hearing and seeing is to be taken literally. If they say something happened, it happened...**PERIOD!!** If they say they heard bombs...it was bombs. If they claim to see molten steel, than it was molten steel. So if they describe a shit-cloud, it was a shit-cloud
@KevinMerck Any sane person will not have a problem understanding that if an object with a bare-minimum weight of 90 tons, laden with thousands of gallons of volatile fluids, and moving in excess of 500 mph rams a stationary object and explodes violently, and the stationary object later collapses, it's foolish to assume that an empirically-disciplined forensic analysis of the collapse performed by trained professionals will make an outrageously absurd plot resembling a rough draft... (cont'd)
Ever heard of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 truth? Hundreds of professionals saying the official story was impossible.
Also, the "volatile fluid" you speak of is kerosene, it burns at a few hundred degrees (700-800) or so, certainly nowhere near hot enough to create the pockets of molten steel and 2000-3000 degree hotspots. Moreover, that fuel all burnt off in the initial fireball, leaving behind only an office fire even cooler than the first temperature range.
@cattraknoff 1) Have I heard of "AE 911 Truth"? Nope...unless you count 99% of the threaded conversations I've taken part in involving "Truthers." 2) "Hundreds of professionals"? Really? As opposed to the small handful of complete amateurs who've spent years analyzing and testing a variety of scenarios leading up to the collapse? 3) I know what "volatile" fuel was powering the planes. 4) no "pockets of molten steel" were found; "Truther" claims regarding this are total bullshit. (cont'd)
6) Even if I could be made to believe that "molten steel" was present, how the hell does that "prove" thermite was ivolved? Did the government decide to break out the special, super-duper thermite that ignites and then burns hot enough to make "steel soup" out of a girder for days, even weeks?
@KevinMerck (cont'd) ...of the next "Die Hard" movie the focus of its investigation. *Especially* if they undertake to do so for the purpose of answering palpably idiotic questions put to them by self-important twits who've spent years making it perfectly clear they have no intention of accepting or even considering the validity of those answers.
"It is as a scientist that I have the most trouble with the official government conspiracy theory, mainly because it does not satisfy the rules of probability or physics. The collapses of the World Trade Center buildings clearly violate the laws of probability and physics"
Lt. Col. Karen U. Kwiatkowski, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret)
Karen is a true patriot and genuine American hero.
Those who turn their backs on the truth are cowards and traitors.
@KevinMerck "Karen is a true patriot and genuine American hero" I could not possibly agree more...provided that "true patriot" and "genuine American hero" are euphemisms for "duplicitous/disingenuous/prevaricating sack of monkey shit." "Karen" holds an MA in Government and a PhD in World Politics, two disciplines hitherto not known to me as being physical sciences remotely related to physics and structural engineering. ...(cont'd)
i think we should look at the most important statistics, i think about 35% of americans think that the government was behind the attacks
When the FDNY & NYPD were asked, it was more like 90% believed it was the government, we should look at the statistics given to us by the people who have the strongest account, this video is a good example of that
Your stats are wrong. 35% think the gov't is covering something up, NOT that they were involved in the planning.
Find even 10 ACTUAL FDNY & NYPD that were there that day that think the gov't planned this. I bet you can't.
As for this video, it's very misleading, if you were to watch the ENTIRE clip, (which I recommend) it would clearly show that not one of these firemen shown here actually thinks it was bombs that brought down the bldg.
@DyerMedia I seem to recall that a poll conducted a couple years back suggested that exactly *TWICE* that percentage of Americans polled believed Saddam Hussein played a direct role in 9/11. Does knowing this in any way affirm your belief that Iraq was involved, or make you rethink any disagreement with it?
Box cutters my ass . A man is not going to let another man take shit with a box cutter. 2 men could easy take out a man with a box cutter. A whole plane is going to be afraid. Please. People is a cover up. The black boxes werent found .Right.All black boxes are found. Coverup.
@tomcamp6023 1) The average person in situations like this isn't going to suddenly turn into Chuck Norris and spring into action against a guy wielding a razor blade, moron, 2) I've watched up to 4 cops struggling-- and almost losing-- trying to subdue one angry drunk with a knife, 3) info from the flight recorder and from passenger phone calls clearly indicated that the passengers were led to believe that at least on hijacker had a bomb on them, 4) You're an imbecile, go back to sleep.
Are you stupid or what. What kind of moronic deduction is that. You must have been dropped on your head as a child. I feel sorry for your parents. If you are over 9 years old I feel sorry for you.
@tomcamp6023 The only item that counts as a "deduction" would be #1. I know of no general tendency of people confronted by knife-wielding whackos to go into "Hero Mode" and take them out; ergo, in this specific instance, I'm not sure why they would...*especially* since they'd been led to believe one of them had a bomb, and there is no evidence I know of that they knew they were headed for certain death until the end, when they bum-rushed the cockpit (something Truthers claim is a lie).
@tomcamp6023 P.S. even when I was 9, I knew what a "question mark" was. It's one of these things --> ? It is typically placed at the end of a sentence to let the reader know what the statement preceding it is a question without having to wonder if the author is in fact making a statement, or asking a question while being too ignorant and illiterate to properly format it with a single character.
Killed 2,819 - Bodies found "intact" 289 - Body parts found 19,858 - NYC jobs lost 146,100 - Point drop in the Dow 684.81 - Loss to NYC in month after $105 billion - Est. cleanup $600 million - FEMA spent $970 million - Est. donations to 9/11 charities $1.4 billion - Est. insurance paid worldwide related to 9/11 $40.2 billion - Est. to overhaul subways $7.5 billion
Cost of "investigation" ... $15 million
Look on George Bush's face when there's a real investigation ... priceless.
So you are saying it was worth the deaths of all those people so that you could see the "look on George Bush's face when there is a real investigation"????
Wow, you're a real sick fuck!!!
P.S., Sorry that you'll never get to see that look anyways
jeffmay u really need to watch loose change, 9/11 blueprint for truth, zeitgeist, 9/11 chronicles truth rising, The Freedom Movie 2009, and the Freedom Movie 2: A spiritual Awakening. And read Confessions of an economic hitman, and Lies my teacher told me. Rise to a new level of understanding
Dylan Avery himself (creator of loose change) says that his loose change movies are "full of errors, dubious claims, and comes to conclusions not backed up by the facts".......... and this is your source of information? ( the actual video of him saying this is on my page in my favourites)
As for Zeitgeist!!! That is one of the worst movies out there. It still claims the hijackers are actually alive haha. It's funny
then watch freedom movie 1 and 2, and read the books. Dont discredit someone until you look into it yourself. Otherwise youll just be another ignorant American who thinks they know it all cause they watch fox news
Ahhhh, your research skills are coming through loud and clear again. I'm not American, and I don't get Fox news where I live. But typical truther to go there and blame Fox for everything. What is it with you guys and Fox anyways??? THERE IS NOT ONE SINGLE NEWS STATION IN THE WORLD THAT HAS PROVEN THAT 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!!!!!! Not CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS yet you only insult Fox. I guess that is the only station Alex Jones told you to insult.
Haha, What took you so long? It took you 3 posts before you called me a sheep lol. You guys are the funniest out there. If there were ever sheep, it would be you guys, that all together at once call everyone else a sheep haha. Try looking in the mirror. Too funny
jeffmay u would be far better off with an attitude different than your us vrs them attistude, apparently you dont understand the conceptualization of everyone being one, im going to no longer respond to you, as i conclude the wavelength your on isnt one that can grasp the realization of enourmous truths aka denial. peace. read books.
Wait Wait!!!! Please don't go, please don't give up on me yet. I'm heading to the store now to pick up some model glue. When I get back I'll sniff some and then you and I can be on the same "wavelength" and then I can "grasp the realization"
Given that CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, etc. all have intimate ties to major arms contractors, banking establishments, oil companies, etc., I'm reasonably sure we can't expect them to tell any bit of truth when it comes to an "attack" that was used to justify two extremely profitable wars.
I'm curious how you get through life being so paranoid.
When you leave the house, do you think that people are following you? Do you think that all of your phone calls are being listened to and recorded? Do you think that there are people out there that are pretending to be your friend just so that they can report information about you back to the gov't? Do you have someone taste your food first before you eat it for fear of being poisoned? Do you sleep with a gun?
The answer to all of those questions is no. People could be recording my phone calls though, but the matter is irrelevant to me. The government can (and likely does, they mine info on everyone) find out just what I think of them by viewing my facebook. Everything under my name, they even have a rough location, access to government records, whatever they want.
You can discover a lot if you do some research; those companies are intimately interconnected as I said, they also have government links.
A Jew bitch fuck u. U may have brought it down but we will never give up we r rebuilding it u ducking Jews u could suck a big cock asshole we will beat u in war and make u jews r slaves and make bitches clean up after us we will never give up we shall and never will give up until we make world peace even with evil so how about we go and fucking bring down one of Ur buildings bitch we will win and bring world peace
zephron2 1 month ago
We Jew ass fucked u on 9-11 hahahahhahahahahhaha
wejewsdid911HAHAHA89 1 month ago
building 7 collapsed like it was hit by a plasma beam from outer space!
xpez 3 months ago
Ah, so the only things that can go boom in a fire are controlled demolition explosives. That would be news to virtually every fire fighter. Search the terms "fire" and "explosion" on Youtube and see how stupid a suggestion that is. Hey, I have a 2 caret cubic zirconia that looks just like a diamond. Must be a diamond then! It's yours for only $500. Deal?
Berkeley626 4 months ago
@Berkeley626 Exactly, cause these firemen NEVER before experience fire and explosions, probably the first time they ran into a burning building...
If you didn't get it by know let me tell you that city firemen probably experience fire and explosions more than once. Exploding computers screens, gas tanks etc.
If they tell you they were shocked by so many explosions that it seems it was controlled demolition, you listen.
DrVresig 3 months ago
@DrVresig ~ These firefighters were members of Ladder 1 which the Naudet brothers were attached to for their documentary on a probie firefighter. If you watch their film " 9/11 " and listen to their interviews it is very clear that these firefighters DO NOT think the WTC was brought down by a controlled demolition.
yoyo12345393 3 months ago
@yoyo12345393 I've seen it, and like some testimony's says: "It was like a bomb had gone of in the lobby."
You might wanna read the paper "118 Witnesses: The Firefighter's Testimony to Explosions in the Twin Towers"
Now you may have some magical theory on how plane parts got transported down to the lobby and cause a big explosion, but then you actually need to brake the laws of physics. And I really don't like to mix Fantasy with real events.
DrVresig 3 months ago
@DrVresig break*
/conspiracy
IdentifiableUser 3 months ago
@yoyo12345393 What they say on the record is a whole different story than what they say behind close doors. Speaking out against the official story(fairy tale) is and will be a carrer killer for many people. There is a cop in the UK who was fired because he believed 911 was a inside job. There is a fear across the globe that if you speak out your gunna get bit on the ass by the powers to be. So don't spout off like you know the facts when you don't!
Allanlegacy43 3 months ago
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soflotube 4 months ago
this footage was censored on mainstream media tonight for the anniversary what are they hiding THINK PEOPLE PLEASE!
CynthialovesGary 4 months ago
bro I don't know if you realize this, but commercial and/or cargo airplanes don't use jet fuel (the highly explosive fuel used in fighter jets, etc.). the fuel they use is real close to diesel. like you could throw a match in a bucket of it and it won't light, no matter how many times you try. and obviously the planes flew into the buildings, they're just saying that the planes weren't the cause of the building collapse.
saosinsfan2 4 months ago
Thats bullshit,, no video shows floors and floors being detonated , those dam planes were flown into those buildings or you are calling everybody that was there a liar. Not only the jet fuel but think of all the paper and combustable things that would burn in those buildings. Better luck finding the grassy knoll shooter.
barkleysnickers 4 months ago
@barkleysnickers go watch wtc building 7 collapse then
AndreRedd1Empire 4 months ago
who knew that muslim terrorists were also demolition experts...
mickymacky02 5 months ago
why this video has not 8 million views?
cinematographer 6 months ago
What documentary is this off of?
hom859 1 year ago
@hom859 9/11 is the name of the documentary
superkryp13 7 months ago
ny city fire departement had the bomb squad departement come over while the towers where still up..
real1abcda 1 year ago
@real1abcda yeah just like any government action, somebody screwed up, they had to send in someone from the demo team to light the fuse , so to speak...
drummingfordrunks 5 months ago
Like I tell all the other jack boot licking slaves, don't worry your pretty little head people like you have always collaborated with the crminals for their own comfort and personal gain, they'll have a nice little job for you as an informant or door to door arms collector or maybe if your lucky head BIBLE/CONSTITUTION burner and they'll throw you a few scraps for your complete obedience. Won't that be nice little slave?
Allanlegacy43 1 year ago
and you cannot abandon that skeptisism because it is who you are as an atheist and to do so would mean denying everything that you are and you cannot do that. Its like people in cults, you can give them every single fact the completely destroys their believes without doubt and when you asked them to re-cant and deny the cult and to leave, they look at you like youre crazy and they say"NO" they will not. How can you have any hope of changing these people? you can't it's impossible, very sad!
Allanlegacy43 1 year ago
They *ARE* telling the truth. That is: they described what they saw happen on 9/11 when one of towers buckled and collapsed; no reasonable person would deny that. But "Truthers" are not reasonable people, so they apply their own wildly distorted/warped interpretation and call it "evidence" or "proof" when it's neither. If anything, the firemens' anecdotal description of the collapse would seem to *refute* the controlled demo theory. (cont'd)
usergreg1498 1 year ago
@usergreg1498 Are you serious? wake up and get some help. Do some research on controlled demolitions and stop being so blind and nieve. Either you are a CIA troll or some highschool kid.
Allanlegacy43 1 year ago
@Allanlegacy43 The guy who suspects that I am a "CIA troll" asks to know if I'm "serious;" it's stuff like this that makes me cherish Truthers. I *have* done research on controlled demolitions, and it does not take much research to figure out that a) controlled demolitions do not begin at the top and proceed downward as they would have if the WTC was dropped in such a manner, b) the amount of prep work required drop a building 1/3 the size of the WTC... (cont'd)
usergreg1498 1 year ago
@usergreg1498 Why do I bother, it's like trying to convince people that Jesus was God in the flesh. I know I Know your an atheist and Jesus never existed and the idea of God is a children's fantasy, I'm so glad there are so many intelligent people like you on this planet to keep the rest of us dummies in check!
Allanlegacy43 1 year ago
@Allanlegacy43 So: rather than cogently refute what I say (i.e. show examples of controlled demos progressing from top to bottom, show any evidence of knowing professionals in the demolition trade supporting the controlled demo theory, explain how the herculean labor of prepping a buildings like WTC 1, 2, and 7 could be done without anyone catching on) you dismiss me with a characterization of my religious faith whose accuracy rivals the controlled demolition theory.
usergreg1498 1 year ago
@usergreg1498 I knew it, I knew it, every single one of them is an atheist. It is evident that an atheist will not believe for any factual reasons but they don't believe beacause they are slaves to the very idea of "not believing" it is their drug their opium if you will. Even if I were to list all the facts that comletely destroy the governments story and incontrovertibly show that it was an inside job, you still wouldn't believe it because you are a slave to being a skeptic about everthing.
Allanlegacy43 1 year ago
@Allanlegacy43 There are no "facts" that "incontrovertibly destroy the governments' story. The lopsided majority of such "facts" and "evidence" has been systematically debunked and/or shown for being the bullshit that it is; every single time this happens, the Truthers either a) change the question or b) dismiss it as a lie because the answer is provided by some federal entity, because presumably any info released or explanation given is automatically bogus by virtue of... (cont'd)
usergreg1498 1 year ago
@Allanlegacy43 (cont'd) ...it coming from the government, and nothing the government says can ever be anything but a lie (not that having zero intention of accepting anything the feds have to say stops Truthers from demanding the feds provide the answers they seek) or c) if the source debunking the Truther BS is *not* an "official" one, then the source must surely be a "shill" in the act of aiding and abetting the governments' crimes.
usergreg1498 1 year ago
@Allanlegacy43 Besides that: I never cease to be amazed that the "Truth Movement" can't make its case against the government stick, even though it is supposedly bulletproof, airtight, and cannot possibly be refuted.
usergreg1498 1 year ago
@Allanlegacy43 P.S. I thought that skepticism, a questioning nature, and a refusal to believe things to be true simply be virtue of be presented as such absent plenty of "independent research" were traits common to people in the "Truth Movement," and the very reason why Truthers are so darned smart and awesome and stuff.
usergreg1498 1 year ago
@Allanlegacy43 (cont'd) ...would have been impossible to conceal, c) given the supposed "obviousness" of the controlled demo theory, there is a curiously widespread-- nay utter and monolithic-- lack of support for the theory among professionals involved in the controlled demo trade. If an unschooled layman can see how obvious the "controlled demo" scenario is, why is there not a single person with extensive professional knowledge and experience throwing their weight behind it?
usergreg1498 1 year ago
I think those firefighters are telling the truth. I want to here more from them. Thats why I want to here the names of these guys. I want to hear more. THATS WHO WANTS TO KNOW!
fawa324 1 year ago
BUSH ASS KISSERS are miserable, sorry fucks, wasted human protoplasm. On 911, firefighters were HEROES. Now --the SHILLS who 'defend' BUSH'S pack of goddamned lies have turned on the firefighters. I HAVE NO RESPECT for anyone lying, defending or professing a lie re: 911 and even LESS for those getting PAID to lie. Legally, anyone providing material support for the real culprits is an accomplice to mass murder and high treason. Keep that in mind when the reckoning occurs.
lennhart 1 year ago
The OFFICIAL conspiracy theory is "....a lotta hogwash" Watch this great vid: youtube.com/watch?v=yq_Y64RvN-M
lennhart 1 year ago 2
Now --If I should learn that someone on K-street or elsewhere has retained PAID LIARS to SPAM YouTube as has been alleged by responsible persons. I will file a class action lawsuit against them for FELONY OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE. Listen up---knowingly lying about a crime, in this case MASS MURDER AND HIGH TREASON, is a federal fucking crime. Now ---is that something you really want to be a party to?
lennhart 1 year ago 5
@lennhart K Street is full of lobbyists. Lobbyists don't do the bidding of the government; if anything, they bring pressure to bear on the government to do the bidding of whatever interest or lobby they work for. And I don't know why I even bothered to point this out, because you are clearly too stupid to figure this out. Stop trying to sound wise and "knowing," because all you're doing is illustrating what an utter tool you are.
usergreg1498 1 year ago
@lennhart You should file a civil suit against companies that used to make lead-based paint. Any one of your posts here could make a reasonable person believe you'd ingested large quantities of it as a child...up until as recently as last Tuesday. I'd wager that if you acted as your own counsel-- and made a case as lucid and coherent as your musings over 9/11-- in 10 minutes, counsel for the defense would concede and hand you a blank check just so they could get away from your dumb ass.
usergreg1498 1 year ago
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lennhart 1 year ago
"Pilots for 9/11 Truth has reported that the data stream from the flight data recorder (FDR) for American Airlines flight 77, which allegedly struck the Pentagon on 9/11, shows that the cockpit door never opened during the entire 90 minute flight. The data was provided by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), which has refused to comment." Also:Wash. Post reported HANI HANJOUR didn't have a ticket. How did he get on board? BUSH'S 911 CROCK is a cover up of MASS MURDER AND HIGH TREASON
lennhart 1 year ago 2
@lennhart First, the "Truthers" claim that no black box was found, and claimed (as though it was beyond question) that the boxes either didn't exist, or contained evidence damaging the official explanation. Then, their existence was verified, but its contents were not made public; which "proved" it must have evidence to buttress their case. Then, when the contents were made public, they were dismissed as blatant forgeries (see also: Flight 93). *NOW** the "Truthers" claim that... (cont'd)
usergreg1498 1 year ago
@lennhart (cont'd) ...that the lost ("whoops! found 'em!") tapes which were phoney-- ("Whoops! Now they're real!") contain data that Flight 77s cockpit door was supposedly never opened, which presumably means it wasn't hijacked. Except that finding the black boxes would, by implication, mean that Flight 77 (not some nifty Global Hawk drone thingie) hit the Pentagon...a direct contradiction to "Truther" dogma that Flight 77 never hit the Pentagon. (cont'd)
usergreg1498 1 year ago
@lennhart (cont'd) For me, he biggest mystery is the one having to do with "Truthers" somehow expecting to be taken seriously. They claim to be able to unravel some convoluted, labyrinthine secret government scheme deployed on 9/11, yet can't even keep their own BS stories straight.
usergreg1498 1 year ago
To the SHILL who parrots the official lie:1) you are a liar! 2) you lie to yourself 3) you post CRAP on youtube that even a liar like you must surely know is a lie. That makes you a CROOK. If you get PAID ANYTHING TO SHILL THIS SHIT ON YOU TUBE YOU ARE OVERPAID! It was a great philosopher who said: "A man who does not know the truth is just an idiot but a man who knows the truth and calls it a lie is a CROOK!" That sums up the BUSH ASSKISSER 911 LIAR MOVEMENT to a person. They are ALL crooks
lennhart 1 year ago 3
@lennhart 1) A liar, by definition, is someone who deliberately and knowingly says things that are not true. Thus, if I were a liar, there is nothing at all remarkable about the notion that I sometimes am obliged to confront the ugly truth that I know that I'm lying about the stuff I'm lying about. That's something of an oxymoron (not to be confused with the regular sort of moron you are). 2) Bertolt Brecht wasn't any sort philospher, great or otherwise. ..(cont'd)
usergreg1498 1 year ago
@lennhart Wanna know what else he said? ""History will pay its respects to...the Socialist Unity Party of Germany. I...assure you of my allegiance to the SED. "This was directed towards the then-First Secretary of the SED-- one of the most corrupt a brutally repressive totalitarian regimes in modern history-- as a vote of confidence (the only voting the SED allowed) in support of the partys' decision to invite the ever-helpful Soviets to roll in and viciously crush the Uprising of 1953 (cont'd)
usergreg1498 1 year ago
@lennhart which began when 300 contruction workers committed the seditious and treasonous act of demanding that they be paid their full salary. Despite being a committed Marxist, he denied it when testifying before the House Un-American Activities Committee, and was later thanked by its Vice Chairman for his cooperation in their ongoing witch hunt that royally fucked over many of his fellow artists. 3) I voted against Bush in 2004; what was that you said about "falsly attributing.."?
usergreg1498 1 year ago
AA says Ft 11 didn't fly that day. I have the official BTS records that prove that AA confirmed that. In fact, You DO know that BTS is the Bureau of Transportation Statistics! The info was posted on WIKI leaks originally, confirmed by BTS. Secondly, I checked matched the IP addr of the person posting the info on WIKI. It was AA alright, but, in any case, the information was confirmed by BTS. In a word, the OFFICIAL THEORY OF 911 IS A BALD FACED FUCKING LIE!
lennhart 1 year ago 19
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@lennhart So, lemme get this straight: you think that Flight 11 never flew on 9/11, but rather another plane (or something) did...and then, whoever was behind this clever subterfuge decided to meticulously document it for some reason. I don't suppose you'd care to tell me who it was that called various passengers' family members to inform them they were hijacked, and what the government did with them?
usergreg1498 1 year ago
@usergreg1498 READ WHAT I wrote...I said that AA said that ft 11 NEVER flew that day. If you have a problem with that ---TAKE IT UP WITH AA, dipshit!
lennhart 1 year ago 4
@usergreg1498 MOREOVER --I wrote that BTS, the fucking, federal BUREAU OF TRANSPORTATION confirmed preciesly that. If you have a problem with that TAKE IT UP WITH THE FEDERAL FUCKING GOVERNMENT, you moron!
lennhart 1 year ago 3
@lennhart I doubt the feds have the info I seek, since the $64,000 question in *my* mind is: why are 'Truthers" -- who've spent years essentially claiming that every breath of every syllable of every word produced by the government can be assumed to be a total crock of shit because the government would *NEVER* tell the truth, especially regarding 9/11-- *NOW* claiming that info culled from a federal agency is pure, unimpeachable truth and must not be doubted?
usergreg1498 1 year ago
@usergreg1498 hey ---that';s quite a conspiracy theory you posited. Honestly, 911 LIARS are not only LIARS, they are all to a person MORONS. LOL LOL LOL I repeat, what I posted is supported by OFFICIAL U.S. DOCUMENTS, AA, and a WHO IS look up verifying the source at AA. I suggest you visit BTS, you just might learn a thing about how easy it is to verify whether a 'FLIGHT' few or did not.
lennhart 1 year ago 2
Think about it, you 911 numbnuts, if KEROSENE (jef fuel) could weaken STEEL, JETS COULD NOT FLY. The interiors of the engines would would either weaken to failure, melts, of 'vaporize' IN FLIGHT. LOL LOL LOL The conclusion is this: EVERY 911 LIAR IS EITHER STUPID or is a LIAR or BOTH! LOL LOL LOL No building has EVER collapsed as a result of a kerosene fire and/or a kerosene fire as a result of an airliner crashing it.
lennhart 1 year ago 3
1) NO SKYSCRAPER has ever in history collapsed symmetrically without prior preparation 2) KEROSENE has never, ever in all of history ever melted or sufficient weak-end STEEL to the point of collapse --let alone a SYMMETRICAL ONE. If you think there has been, CITE IT and PROVE. Simply, kerosene (jet fuel) has NEVER EVER weakened steel. Kerosene won't even weaken a hard-ware BOUGHT CAMP STOVE, you idiots 911 liars!
lennhart 1 year ago 3
@lennhart 1) Right... "WTC 1 & 2 were on fire, and they collapsed; other skyscrapers were on fire and did not." Well, there's a valid comparison by which to hang a theory on when accusing hundreds of people of abetting the mass murder of thousands of other people. I was wondering if you'd considered the possibility that one minor detail set the WTC collapses apart from the others: they were the only ones rammed by 200-ton objects moving at 500 mph, causing them to explode violently. (cont'd)
usergreg1498 1 year ago
@usergreg1498 It is a PERFECTLY good analogy. Fact is NO STEEL FRAMED BUILDING has ever collapsed symnetrically as a result of a mere kerosene fire.Until you have THROWN a steel beam into a kerosene fire and either weakened it or melted it and documented your results, got them peer-reviewed by real scientists you are full of shit,delusional. Anyone who believes that a KEROSENE FUCKING FIRE is gonna bring down STEEL BEAM construction skyscrapers is DELUSIONAL.It has NEVER happened and won't.
lennhart 1 year ago 3
@usergreg1498 Let's get something else straight. I NEVER listen to Alex Jones. Let's get something else straight, you do not make points when you attribute positions to other people that they have NOT taken. When you do that, it makes you A GODDAMNED LIAR. Come to think of it, that is precisely what you are. And you're stupid. I have no respect for you.
lennhart 1 year ago 4
@lennhart (cont'd) Now, I sure do hate to raise all sorts of nit-picky issues like that, but I like to be thorough. Plus I'm not a self-important, delusional, gullible slobbering moron who will believe anything spoon-fed to him by Alex Jones, and who is possessed by an interesting, rarified form of ignorance practiced by "Truthers;" before 9/11, I never saw so many people actually making an effort to remain clueless. 2) The only people I ever see blathering about "melted steel" are...(cont'd)
usergreg1498 1 year ago
@lennhart (cont'd) ..."Truthers" doing what they do best: attacking claims nobody ever made in order to show the people who never made them are liars or fools. But then again, it takes more than a simple lack of basis in reality to disabuse a "Truther" of one of their favorite claims. Now then: I leave you now, so you are welcome to go back to the palpably ironic task of insulting the intelligence of others by way of proving what a clueless fucktard you are.
usergreg1498 1 year ago
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"AS IF" is what they're saying...what a load of bullshit to use a misleading title just to push your conspiracy theory
CrazyRay7979 1 year ago
@CrazyRay7979 The only one pushing a BULLSHIT CONSPIRACY is you. CLUE: what did ali baba and his 19 hijacks do IF NOT CONSPIRE??? You stupid piece of shit!
lennhart 1 year ago 4
who were the names of the firefighters?
fawa324 1 year ago
@fawa324 WHO wants to know?
lennhart 1 year ago 10
Haha sorry about that yes its ludicrous.
MavisRileyJunior 1 year ago
USERGREG1498 is getting paid to lie on Youtube. Get a real job.
Camyum 1 year ago 2
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@Camyum ...whereas Camyum and the other "Truthers" lie and make utter fools of themselves on a voluntary/pro bono basis. I must say, I admire your dedication.
usergreg1498 1 year ago
its on wikipedia
JPnijmegen 1 year ago
Amamzing firemen that can run and watch at the same time admist clouds of shit. WHilst hiding behind cars.
Wheres the rest of this video.
MavisRileyJunior 1 year ago
@MavisRileyJunior Are you calling them liars?
Camyum 1 year ago
@Camyum I am saying they werent literally claiming demolition/explosives. they were exaggerating/comparing. Wheres rest of interview?
"Looked like" is what they said. Probably did.
But when someone can explain how explosives were planted in WTC1 and 2 unseen and undiscovered I;ll start listening. Exactly when were they planning to detonate? Were the planes just a stroke of luck and cover to detonate? Bullshit.
MavisRileyJunior 1 year ago
@MavisRileyJunior I think america just needed a reason to go to the middle east. I mean they created the taliban in the first place. They gave them weapons.When bin laden's was fighting the russians he was america's ally. Few years after that bin laden started the al qaida. Its just all 2 weird to just believe what the goverment is saying.
JPnijmegen 1 year ago
@JPnijmegen maybe they did need a reason to invade Middle East. I see two planes hit +phenomneal heat plus fire =structrual damage.
Plus no explanation/evidence as to how such an inside job could possibly be achieved.
When u look at it objectively terrorism is only answer.
MavisRileyJunior 1 year ago
@JPnijmegen 1) The US didn't create the Taliban. The Taliban was created by strict fundamentalist Islamic clerics proselytizing the dejected, fearful, and hopeless Afghans who'd fled for their lives away from the fighting between the Soviets and the mujahideen to camps on the lawless, unregulated "frontier areas" along the Afghan border. 2) Oh, the US armed the Taliban? I don't suppose you could go find a pic or two showing Taliban fighters armed with US military hardware. ...(cont'd)
usergreg1498 1 year ago
@JPnijmegen ...(cont'd) Osama bin Laden's virulent hatred and profound loathing of the US and all things American was fully developed during the 1980s Tthere's no verifiable evidence I know of proving that bin Laden enjoyed a nice, cozy relationship with the US, particularly when it came to America throwing it's weight around in parts of the world that he felt were sacred to the Islamic faith and defiled by the presence of foreign non-Muslim troops. The extent of any "alliance" ..(cont'd)
usergreg1498 1 year ago
@JPnijmegen ...(cont'd) that existed between the federal government and bin Laden was that both parties supported the mujahideen in their fight against the Soviets, although in a mutually-exclusive way that served their own wildly-differing aims and objectives. Once the Soviets showed their backs to Afghans and bailed out in '88, our "buddy" bin Laden had been loudly critical of the US, eventually issuing his series of fatwas where he berated (among other things) the US ...(cont'd)
usergreg1498 1 year ago
@JPnijmegen (cont'd) for the principle sin of maintaining a strong military presence in his back yard. In 1990 he exhorted the Saudi royal family to withdraw their request for military assistance from the US following the in Iraqi invasion of Kuwait and allow him to raise and lead his own private (and pious) army. The Saudis knocked him and went ahead as planned, which shortly thereafter compelled bin Laden to obnoxiously criticize the US and the Saudi royals, so loudly and viciously (cont'd)
usergreg1498 1 year ago
@JPnijmegen (cont'd) nd viciously that the Saudi government canked his citizenship and kicked him to the curb. He then was granted asylum in the Sudan, only to have that collapse after the US more or less coerced the Sudanese into booting him out.
Some ally he was.
usergreg1498 1 year ago
@MavisRileyJunior You forgot to mention WTC 7. Is this intentional or ignorance? Please explain how this third building collapsed through the path of greatest resistance attaining free fall speed with out ever being hit by a plane. You can't which is why is wasn't even mentioned in the 911 cOmmission report. Watch the footage and it obviously "looks like" a controlled demolition which is what it was. Yes the planes were a cover to detonate. Now we are involved in an endless war...
Camyum 1 year ago
@Camyum Ok here: how did explosives survive raging fires in WTC7? The intense fires were left uncontrolled for what, 6 hours? And you want to believe that the explosives and subsequent infrastructure put in place for the collapse survived it all and worked exactly as expected. Come on, it's utterly, utterly ridiculous!
MavisRileyJunior 1 year ago
@MavisRileyJunior What's utterly ridiculous is believing that Building 7 specifically and all three world trade center buildings generally were anything but a controlled demolition. How did 7 collapse? Fire weakened the steel? Your argument is weak.
Camyum 1 year ago
@Camyum Yes utterly ridiculous! You cannot counter argue my points so just repeat your CT!
Start with some evidence and an explanation of how the buildings were rigged with explosives and how WTC7 burned for 6-7 hours without having any effect on explosives or their detonators!
MavisRileyJunior 1 year ago
@Camyum 1) Maybe if were to be the first "Truther" to actually *READ* the compendium of info compiled by NIST supporting the "official explanation" before mocking it and dismissing it as a load of BS you'd have your answer. WTC 7 collapsed due to a confluence of events mostly having to do with severe damage to WTC 7s load-bearing structure by falling debris during the collapse of WTC 1 and 2 (including a 10-story gash in the southwest corner) exacerbated ...(cont'd)
usergreg1498 1 year ago
@Camyum (cont'd) ...by fires burning within the building. Of course, this explanation is not well-regarded by most "Truthers" who insist that it's insane compared to their own notion that the conspirators decided for whatever reason to blow up the WTC 7 even though it was in supposedly pristine condition just for shits and giggles and assume nobody would notice this rather curious anomaly. This has largely to due with the fact that "Truthers" tend to be egregiously ignorant of... (cont'd)
usergreg1498 1 year ago
@usergreg1498 It is not supported by those who are NOT FUCKING liars; the official conspiracy theory is utterly impossible. There is NOT a single reputable physicist in the world who would endorse the PSEUDO SCIENCE and BULLSHIT that you just believe in order to believe the official conspiracy theory and 2) secondly, a scientific paper, peer reviewed by about 20 (as I recall) distinguished scientists (physicists, chemists, engineers) has established presence of NANO THERMITE in WTC wreckage
lennhart 1 year ago 3
@Camyum (cont'd) ...of the actual facts of the case, and because their assessment is largely born from and supported by their own steadfast believe that everyone else is either a "paid shill" or a moron who lacks the sort of keen wit and awesome intellect that allows "Truthers" to plainly see what others don't. 2) Yes, it's true: the 9/11 COmmission made the brazen omission of any sort of analysis and/or explanation as to why the WTC buildings collapsed. However, I would hasten...(cont'd)
usergreg1498 1 year ago
@Camyum (cont'd) to point out that there happens to be a credible reason for this; the reason being that performing such an analysis and crafting an explanation from the results was outside the scope of the 9/11 Commissions' investigation. Stated another way: the 9/11 Commission had nothing what-so-fucking-ever to do with explaining the collapses. If you're feeling like you're as much of a drooling idiot as you look, try taking solace in the fact that this mistake is common among Truthers.
usergreg1498 1 year ago
@MavisRileyJunior So...they say that they heard a series of loud noises resembling a series of explosions, and thus we have damning proof of a controlled demolition...moments later they describe a massive cloud of debris and pulverized concrete dust that likely enveloped them completely as it did hundreds of cops, rescue workers, and civilians, and their credibility becomes questionable...?
usergreg1498 1 year ago
@usergreg1498 Show me this damning evidence and explain my points from two posts ago. What is questionable is that they are merely saying what it "Looked like"
I will bet you any money if you asked those firemen now they woudl not say it was a demolition.
A 30 sec clip,Show me rest of interview.
MavisRileyJunior 1 year ago
@MavisRileyJunior I worded my comment a tad clumsily; like you, I think the controlled demo theory (or any of the other pinheaded rationalizations the "Truth Movement" keeps fobbing off) is pure, 100% top-shelf bullshit.
usergreg1498 1 year ago
@usergreg1498 No problem.
MavisRileyJunior 1 year ago
fake and gay
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CMoLov69 1 year ago
It doesn't look like the firefighters meant there were literally detonation charges in the buildings or that detonation charges brought down the building.
xianforaday 1 year ago
@xianforaday {"It doesn't look like [they] meant there...detonation charges brought down the building. "} That's because they are not. This sort of thing has been par for the course for "Truthers," who absolutely **LOVE** portraying themselves as dispassionate seekers of unbiased and objective truth and disciples of science and logic while having little demonstrated regard or interest in either. I think that any reasonable person who, having spent the better part of a decade... (cont'd)
usergreg1498 1 year ago
@xianforaday (cont'd) ...being wrong all the time in their assessment of something, would (at the very least) be willing to concede that said assessment is maybe less than airtight and in possible need of revision. Not so with "Truthers=;" to them, every they're utterly chumped on some facet of the 9/11 debate, it's more evidence that some sinister cabal of evil-doers is arrayed against them and trying to derail their quest to find out that they (in actuality) have already decided they know.
usergreg1498 1 year ago
@usergreg1498 You're wrong. Take a look at "Seven is Exploding" here on YouTube. Even with a closed mind, one can't deny the truth in this short video. Look for yourself. This particular segment is from Italy.
We're not wrong. But feel free to keep being deceived by your government. Most of the sheeple in this country are...but are starting to wake up.
tparbs 1 year ago
@tparbs Thanks...I wasn't going to watch this because-- close-minded dupe and Fox New fan that I apparently am-- I assumed it wouldn't bring any new perspective to the debate not already beaten to death for years. You know what? I was right. 1) I knew I was in for some mind-blowing/hard-hitting truth when the segment started right in with the "...no other steel structure collapsed from fire," gambit. This is a pathetically ignorant over-simplification that attacks a claim nobody made.
usergreg1498 1 year ago
@tparbs 2) Next comes the shocking revelation that the 9/11 Commission "...avoids mentioning [it] ...as if it never existed." Of course, this loses a lot of it's "punch" when reminded that analyzing and explaining the collapses was something that THE 9/11 COMMISSION REPORT HAD **NOTHING** WHATSO-FUCKING-EVER TO DO WITH FIGURING OUT WHY THE BUILDINGS COLLAPSED!!!" 3) Predictably, Dutch demo expert Danny Jowenko is trotted out and shown voicing support for the demo theory. (cont'd)
usergreg1498 1 year ago
@tparbs 3) Jowenko is a minor celeb of sorts to "Truthers," perhaps because unlike almost all the other "experts" that they cite to back up their inane theories, he is possessed of the quality of actually knowing what the fuck he is talking about. "Truther" adulation for Jowenko currently appears to be unabated by the fact that Jowenko has gone on record repeatedly saying that he was both misled and misquoted regarding his take on the collapses by the "Truth Movement."
usergreg1498 1 year ago
@tparbs It'd have been really nice if the clip featured at least one other demo expert who endorses the "controlled demo" theory...too bad there aren't any. 4) Then we have side-by-side comparisons of WTC 7 and a controlled demolition; the fact that they both generate a huge amount of dust apparently means something. 5) Then we are reminded that BBC news stringers covering the the collapses stated incorrectly that WTC 7 had collapsed when, in fact, it didn't...(cont'd)
usergreg1498 1 year ago
@tparbs 5) why a reportage error by one news outlet out of the mass profusion of media outlets covering one of the most chaotic catastrophes in modern history is so fucking suspicious, I have no idea. I've asked "Truthers" every time they bring this up why I'm supposed to be suspicious, none of them every give me anything beyond "Well...it's just suspicious!" or the non-sequetorial gem "Well...if you can't figure it out..."
usergreg1498 1 year ago
@tparbs 6) The clip suggests that this was because they were misled by CNN previously making a similar error. The film then asks the provocative question: "How could anyone know how the building would collapse 1 hour before it did?" Gee, how about this, Mr. Italian Narrator: "Maybe because they got bum info from one of their feeds and ran it, since they and their competitors were frantically trying to keep up with each other covering this disaster?"
usergreg1498 1 year ago
@tparbs 6) New reporters make mistakes all the time; this is why they issue corrections, or have an "Errata" section in print media. The producers of this clip should know this, since by this point in the clip they've made a number of misleading errors, and they had *YEARS* to figure this shit out and get it right; CNN and the BBC were covering it live, as it happened, and before anyone had the first goddamn clue as to what was really going on.
usergreg1498 1 year ago
@tparbs 7) The "No steel structure..." b.s. gets mentioned a second time. My confidence in the veracity of this clip is soaring ever higher. 8) The clip mentions that the fires in the WTC 7 building were hardly "devastating;" maybe not, but then I think this observation is a bit lacking since the clip fails to mention the huge gashes from falling debris that compromised much of the load-bearing structure. I guess a gaping, 10-story hole gouged out of one corner isn't really worth mentioning.
usergreg1498 1 year ago
@usergreg1498 If that's how it fell it would have fell asymetrically.
Camyum 1 year ago
@tparbs 9) The clip then states as though it's fact that because the police were hustling civilians out of the area as early as 1:00 PM, they surely had foreknowledge of the collapse. This, I guess, as opposed to some absurd theory that eccentrics such as myself might be more inclined to believe...such as the fact that because the primary function of the NYPD (or any other police department in the US) is to protect public safety, they may have decided...
usergreg1498 1 year ago
@tparbs 9) ...after some brief, hasty deliberation that there was a chance-- remote though it may have been-- that being in close proximity to the WTC plaza posed a significant risk to public saftey due to being under attack by homicidal maniacs ramming airliners into it. 10) 10) The clip then seeks to buttress this claim by relaying sound bites of NYPD and NYFD personnel saying the building was going to collapse, or "blow up."
usergreg1498 1 year ago
@tparbs 10) ... I'd have thought that this was because a team of firefighters doing a brief recon of the WTC 7 sight advised their immediate superiors that the building had sustained significant visible damage, and appeared to be swaying and/or creaking loudly from doing so; they were advised to clear off and not assume the risk of going inside. This is what Larry Silverstein was talking about in his infamous "pull" comment.
usergreg1498 1 year ago
@tparbs 11) That said, I would be highly intrigued to know why the secret evil cabal who planned and executed the attacks reckoned that it would be a really good idea to inform the largest police force and the largest municipal fire department in the entire fucking country that they were getting ready to launch an attack against Lower Manhatten and slaughter thousands of innocent people (and, as it turned out, a rather large number of cops and firemen) and as such, they should...
usergreg1498 1 year ago
@tparbs 11) ...seriously consider staying a safe distance away. By implication, the video would seem to suggest that not a single one of these guys had a crisis of conscience about this and tried to forestall the plan or break their silence to the media afterwards. 12) The narrator returns to the underlying thesis that WTC 7 could not have been done in by fire, "...as claimed by the official version."
usergreg1498 1 year ago
@tparbs 12)...Of course, as anyone who a) has taken the liberty of actually reading the "official version" given by NIST and b) doesn't have his head jammed up Alex Jones' ass all the way to their shoulders knows that fire was determined to be but one factor attributed to the collapse, not the *ONLY* factor.
usergreg1498 1 year ago
@tparbs One more item related to Point #11: what exactly would explain the notion that the cops and firemen responding to the attack were tipped off to the impending attack, then tasked with hustling any and all civilian bystanders to a safe distance away from the collapse while the fates of thousands more unlucky souls inside the buildings were being sealed? Wouldn't a higher number of casualties have been desirable, seeing how this was intended to provoke massive outrage?
usergreg1498 1 year ago
@usergreg1498 Didn't read one of, what, 6 to 10 replies from you in my Inbox? Like I'm gonna take the time to read all your dribble? You've been blocked. :D Don't bother replying, since I won't receive it. LOL
tparbs 1 year ago
@tparbs The word is "drivel," you dumb shit. As for any expectations on my part that you'd bother to read anything I posted here: I'm not the slightest bit surprised you're not...one thing I've learned about self-described disciples of the "9/11 Truth Movement" is that their fearless, dogged search for objective truth has no room in it for anything that conflicts with their predetermined conclusion, especially when it shows they are wrong (as they *always* are).
usergreg1498 1 year ago
@usergreg1498 troll...
Modelmaterial7 1 year ago
@usergreg1498 Did you know NIST figured zero thermal conductivity of steel? You can't "turn off" the thermal conductivity of steel just to fit your theory. Talk about pseudoscience. How much do you get paid to lie on Youtube and try and distract people from the truth? What a lame job. You're not very good at it.
Camyum 1 year ago
The Banksters are gonna fuck us all, thats why WE should start FUCKING THE BANKSTERS! FUCK THEM!
Rothschilds,Rockefellers, JP Morgans, put the whole BANKSTER-Gang into Jail!
Elberiver11 1 year ago
@Elberiver11 Maybe everyone in the "9/11 Truth Movement" could start going to their mansions and corporate suites en masse and bore them to death with bullshit like the kind in your last comment.
usergreg1498 1 year ago
ahm, they just describe how the floors came down, but if you think they talk about a controlled demolition...
SkylineGTRR34Freak 1 year ago
central columns standing nearly as tall the the building then the updraft of the dust rolls up and covers it. then the cloud clears showing no columns left except one or two left. one of them turns to power in mid air. It doesn't fall it just changes into a puff of smoke. It must have been really advanced materials
MrChameleon2010 1 year ago
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BaileyMya1 1 year ago
fuck you asshole.
U think wrong.There were dozens of explosions going off BEFORE the towers came down.
ed11561 1 year ago
@ed11561
I don't care. I don't believe the world trade center was brought down by controlled demolition and NEVER WILL!
BaileyMya1 1 year ago
U ask for proof-i give u eyewitnesses & u still
don't believe-LOL LOSER
ps-i don't care what u believe.
ed11561 1 year ago
@ed11561 One of the "eyewitnesses" went on the say that he and others in the same rescue team were "chased down" by what he described as "huge cloud of shit," despite having a 2-block head-start. I've said for *YEARS* that a large, malevolent, cloud-like mass of sentient fecal matter was to blame for the collapse of WTC 1, 2, & 7, only to be made the target of derision and mockery over it. Now there's NO DENYING that I was right, and anyone who says otherwise is a government-funded shill!
usergreg1498 1 year ago
@usergreg1498 Anyone that claims they were chased down by a huge cloud of shit had to be talking ABOUT YOU ASSHOLE.
cadu1995 1 year ago
@cadu1995 No, they weren't talking about my asshole. Look, "Truthers" insist that anything rescue crews describe hearing and seeing is to be taken literally. If they say something happened, it happened...**PERIOD!!** If they say they heard bombs...it was bombs. If they claim to see molten steel, than it was molten steel. So if they describe a shit-cloud, it was a shit-cloud
usergreg1498 1 year ago
Who cares WHAT u think.If u want to stay in the dark...go right ahead.
ed11561 1 year ago
Neither FEMA nor NIST performed any tests for explosives!
Any sane person will not have a problem understanding that you can't rule out explosives if you never even tested for them.
Over 100 first reponders reported flashes and explosions!
Independent investigators had no trouble finding *all kinds* of evidence for explosives and lots of it too.
Check out A&E for 9/11 Truth to get the facts.
KevinMerck 2 years ago 8
Watch FABLED ENEMIES.
I don't know if i would believe anything that A&E put out unless it had to do with fish& nature. lol
ed11561 1 year ago
@KevinMerck Any sane person will not have a problem understanding that if an object with a bare-minimum weight of 90 tons, laden with thousands of gallons of volatile fluids, and moving in excess of 500 mph rams a stationary object and explodes violently, and the stationary object later collapses, it's foolish to assume that an empirically-disciplined forensic analysis of the collapse performed by trained professionals will make an outrageously absurd plot resembling a rough draft... (cont'd)
usergreg1498 1 year ago
@usergreg1498
Ever heard of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 truth? Hundreds of professionals saying the official story was impossible.
Also, the "volatile fluid" you speak of is kerosene, it burns at a few hundred degrees (700-800) or so, certainly nowhere near hot enough to create the pockets of molten steel and 2000-3000 degree hotspots. Moreover, that fuel all burnt off in the initial fireball, leaving behind only an office fire even cooler than the first temperature range.
cattraknoff 1 year ago
@cattraknoff 1) Have I heard of "AE 911 Truth"? Nope...unless you count 99% of the threaded conversations I've taken part in involving "Truthers." 2) "Hundreds of professionals"? Really? As opposed to the small handful of complete amateurs who've spent years analyzing and testing a variety of scenarios leading up to the collapse? 3) I know what "volatile" fuel was powering the planes. 4) no "pockets of molten steel" were found; "Truther" claims regarding this are total bullshit. (cont'd)
usergreg1498 1 year ago
6) Even if I could be made to believe that "molten steel" was present, how the hell does that "prove" thermite was ivolved? Did the government decide to break out the special, super-duper thermite that ignites and then burns hot enough to make "steel soup" out of a girder for days, even weeks?
usergreg1498 1 year ago
@KevinMerck (cont'd) ...of the next "Die Hard" movie the focus of its investigation. *Especially* if they undertake to do so for the purpose of answering palpably idiotic questions put to them by self-important twits who've spent years making it perfectly clear they have no intention of accepting or even considering the validity of those answers.
usergreg1498 1 year ago
"It is as a scientist that I have the most trouble with the official government conspiracy theory, mainly because it does not satisfy the rules of probability or physics. The collapses of the World Trade Center buildings clearly violate the laws of probability and physics"
Lt. Col. Karen U. Kwiatkowski, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret)
Karen is a true patriot and genuine American hero.
Those who turn their backs on the truth are cowards and traitors.
KevinMerck 2 years ago
@KevinMerck "Karen is a true patriot and genuine American hero" I could not possibly agree more...provided that "true patriot" and "genuine American hero" are euphemisms for "duplicitous/disingenuous/prevaricating sack of monkey shit." "Karen" holds an MA in Government and a PhD in World Politics, two disciplines hitherto not known to me as being physical sciences remotely related to physics and structural engineering. ...(cont'd)
usergreg1498 1 year ago
i think we should look at the most important statistics, i think about 35% of americans think that the government was behind the attacks
When the FDNY & NYPD were asked, it was more like 90% believed it was the government, we should look at the statistics given to us by the people who have the strongest account, this video is a good example of that
DyerMedia 2 years ago
@DyerMedia
Your stats are wrong. 35% think the gov't is covering something up, NOT that they were involved in the planning.
Find even 10 ACTUAL FDNY & NYPD that were there that day that think the gov't planned this. I bet you can't.
As for this video, it's very misleading, if you were to watch the ENTIRE clip, (which I recommend) it would clearly show that not one of these firemen shown here actually thinks it was bombs that brought down the bldg.
jeffmay1 2 years ago
@DyerMedia I seem to recall that a poll conducted a couple years back suggested that exactly *TWICE* that percentage of Americans polled believed Saddam Hussein played a direct role in 9/11. Does knowing this in any way affirm your belief that Iraq was involved, or make you rethink any disagreement with it?
usergreg1498 1 year ago
Box cutters my ass . A man is not going to let another man take shit with a box cutter. 2 men could easy take out a man with a box cutter. A whole plane is going to be afraid. Please. People is a cover up. The black boxes werent found .Right.All black boxes are found. Coverup.
tomcamp6023 2 years ago
@tomcamp6023
I suggest you go back and do a little more homework before babbling on about stuff you clearly have no knowledge of
jeffmay1 2 years ago
@tomcamp6023 1) The average person in situations like this isn't going to suddenly turn into Chuck Norris and spring into action against a guy wielding a razor blade, moron, 2) I've watched up to 4 cops struggling-- and almost losing-- trying to subdue one angry drunk with a knife, 3) info from the flight recorder and from passenger phone calls clearly indicated that the passengers were led to believe that at least on hijacker had a bomb on them, 4) You're an imbecile, go back to sleep.
usergreg1498 1 year ago
Are you stupid or what. What kind of moronic deduction is that. You must have been dropped on your head as a child. I feel sorry for your parents. If you are over 9 years old I feel sorry for you.
tomcamp6023 1 year ago
@tomcamp6023 The only item that counts as a "deduction" would be #1. I know of no general tendency of people confronted by knife-wielding whackos to go into "Hero Mode" and take them out; ergo, in this specific instance, I'm not sure why they would...*especially* since they'd been led to believe one of them had a bomb, and there is no evidence I know of that they knew they were headed for certain death until the end, when they bum-rushed the cockpit (something Truthers claim is a lie).
usergreg1498 1 year ago
@tomcamp6023 P.S. even when I was 9, I knew what a "question mark" was. It's one of these things --> ? It is typically placed at the end of a sentence to let the reader know what the statement preceding it is a question without having to wonder if the author is in fact making a statement, or asking a question while being too ignorant and illiterate to properly format it with a single character.
usergreg1498 1 year ago
You seriously need to get out more. What a nerd!! My advice is to try and take off that nerd outfit and get a girlfriend. Good luck .
tomcamp6023 1 year ago
@tomcamp6023 Shall I assume you keep posting here to tell me you don't give a shit about me or what I think from your girlfriend's place?
usergreg1498 1 year ago
You really talk like you have a stick way up the butt. Hopefully you will get someone special to help you remove it. Good luck with that.
tomcamp6023 1 year ago
Elvis Presley was also seen exiting tower #1!
natureboy1313 2 years ago
Killed 2,819 - Bodies found "intact" 289 - Body parts found 19,858 - NYC jobs lost 146,100 - Point drop in the Dow 684.81 - Loss to NYC in month after $105 billion - Est. cleanup $600 million - FEMA spent $970 million - Est. donations to 9/11 charities $1.4 billion - Est. insurance paid worldwide related to 9/11 $40.2 billion - Est. to overhaul subways $7.5 billion
Cost of "investigation" ... $15 million
Look on George Bush's face when there's a real investigation ... priceless.
KevinMerck 2 years ago 2
@KevinMerck
So you are saying it was worth the deaths of all those people so that you could see the "look on George Bush's face when there is a real investigation"????
Wow, you're a real sick fuck!!!
P.S., Sorry that you'll never get to see that look anyways
jeffmay1 2 years ago
jeffmay u really need to watch loose change, 9/11 blueprint for truth, zeitgeist, 9/11 chronicles truth rising, The Freedom Movie 2009, and the Freedom Movie 2: A spiritual Awakening. And read Confessions of an economic hitman, and Lies my teacher told me. Rise to a new level of understanding
TheInanimateObject 2 years ago
@TheInanimateObject
Haha, you're funny!!!! Those are your sources???
Dylan Avery himself (creator of loose change) says that his loose change movies are "full of errors, dubious claims, and comes to conclusions not backed up by the facts".......... and this is your source of information? ( the actual video of him saying this is on my page in my favourites)
As for Zeitgeist!!! That is one of the worst movies out there. It still claims the hijackers are actually alive haha. It's funny
jeffmay1 2 years ago
then watch freedom movie 1 and 2, and read the books. Dont discredit someone until you look into it yourself. Otherwise youll just be another ignorant American who thinks they know it all cause they watch fox news
TheInanimateObject 2 years ago
@TheInanimateObject
Ahhhh, your research skills are coming through loud and clear again. I'm not American, and I don't get Fox news where I live. But typical truther to go there and blame Fox for everything. What is it with you guys and Fox anyways??? THERE IS NOT ONE SINGLE NEWS STATION IN THE WORLD THAT HAS PROVEN THAT 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!!!!!! Not CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS yet you only insult Fox. I guess that is the only station Alex Jones told you to insult.
jeffmay1 2 years ago
every station is run by the same elite, idiot. tvi s a propaganda force that influences sheep like yourself.
TheInanimateObject 2 years ago
@TheInanimateObject
Haha, What took you so long? It took you 3 posts before you called me a sheep lol. You guys are the funniest out there. If there were ever sheep, it would be you guys, that all together at once call everyone else a sheep haha. Try looking in the mirror. Too funny
jeffmay1 2 years ago
jeffmay u would be far better off with an attitude different than your us vrs them attistude, apparently you dont understand the conceptualization of everyone being one, im going to no longer respond to you, as i conclude the wavelength your on isnt one that can grasp the realization of enourmous truths aka denial. peace. read books.
TheInanimateObject 2 years ago
@TheInanimateObject
Wait Wait!!!! Please don't go, please don't give up on me yet. I'm heading to the store now to pick up some model glue. When I get back I'll sniff some and then you and I can be on the same "wavelength" and then I can "grasp the realization"
jeffmay1 2 years ago
every station is run by the same elite, idiot.
100% TRUE.See my above comment.
ed11561 1 year ago
Given that CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, etc. all have intimate ties to major arms contractors, banking establishments, oil companies, etc., I'm reasonably sure we can't expect them to tell any bit of truth when it comes to an "attack" that was used to justify two extremely profitable wars.
cattraknoff 2 years ago
@cattraknoff
I'm curious how you get through life being so paranoid.
When you leave the house, do you think that people are following you? Do you think that all of your phone calls are being listened to and recorded? Do you think that there are people out there that are pretending to be your friend just so that they can report information about you back to the gov't? Do you have someone taste your food first before you eat it for fear of being poisoned? Do you sleep with a gun?
jeffmay1 2 years ago
The answer to all of those questions is no. People could be recording my phone calls though, but the matter is irrelevant to me. The government can (and likely does, they mine info on everyone) find out just what I think of them by viewing my facebook. Everything under my name, they even have a rough location, access to government records, whatever they want.
You can discover a lot if you do some research; those companies are intimately interconnected as I said, they also have government links.
cattraknoff 2 years ago