@TheJbach One does not love the gift over giver? Yeah right. If a perv gives you a candy, are you gonna love the perv or the candy? :) Oh, lol, and the examples could go on so much. I come here to take a look into the history of music, but I stumble upon lots and lots of "believers". Must be really sad to listen to this music by default :)
@martinlian123 From looking at your profile, I understand that you are a child. When you grow up one day, you will perhaps understand why this music has survived for so many centuries, and why many people can listen to it for years, even decades, without getting tired of it.
When I was your age, I didn't like it either. But as we grow up, we see, learn, understand many things about this world, and only then we begin to appreciate the really good music. You will see.
In my opinion, I love vocalists than instrumental musicians (regarding that I am a violinist) because their voice is their instrument. They express how they feel and love about music (passion). Because of capella's like this, instruments was invented, and soon evolved into more sophisticated instruments as the brass woodwinds and even percussions. It's not god who made it, It's the people who loves music expressing their feelings to music itself
When I went to a Music conservatory at France with my professional string friends, I heard this choir inside from a enormous church. I told my friends to meet me at a cafe somewhere close at the church, and went inside. While I was inside listening to this beautiful capella, tears came out from my eyes until the whole capella was over.
In the XX century, lots of composers studied the vocal technique of Palestrina. They learned it and composed requiems and masses in the same style. Some of those works sound very similar to Palestrina (due to the imitation of composing style). They sound.... Inspired by the God. The fact is that some of those composers are atheists or agnistics. How could they be inspired by something they don´t believe in?
@Assislau Well, thats a good question, and makes me think what believes are all about. Probably they dont believe but they like how this kind of music sounds...
@blainebill39 I agree with you. This music has liturgical proposes. I think that´s a fact, but the fact it has liturgical purposes doesn´t mean that it´s inspired by God or that´s "a gift from God".
@Assislau Exactly, thats the point, music is just a way to express the composer feelings about something, and sometimes not even that, we are the ones who give music meaning, the listeners. God is just a way to justify (badly) how music is spectatular and moves worlds...
I live in the neighborhood of the Choir School at the Cathedral of the Madeliene - at minimum - weekly - Palestrina does it for me to keep me doing the good things that I do.
This music is fantastic, probably shedding tears all over the world. Tears of wonder and joy. Religion also sheds tears all over the world. Tears of war, pain and agony.
In my opinion, this song should only be sung by an all male choir, like it was originally composed for . its not that I don't think girls should sing it, its that the beauty of the song comes from that cut from the treble boys and the countertenor men in the alto part. This is an amazing piece of composition and amazing rendition of it.
according to tradition , thanks to this mass Palestrina saved the polifonic mass from a possible prohibition by the catholic church, distrubed by the complexity of the music could avoid the total comprehension of the sacred texts, being or not true it´s one of the most perfect works of the genius of its author, it was written towards 1555
So beautiful and so heavenly! We love You O God our Savior! Sustain us in Your mercy and in Your grace, so that we may always remain united with Your love for all eternity.
To Billyguns2- the magnificent choir perfoming the "Kyrie" of the Missa Papae Marcelli is indeed King's College Choir, Cambridge University, Cambridge, England, Sir David Willcocks, Music Director, Conducting. How do I know? I have the LP recording of the performance!
@billyguns2 I'm pretty sure it's the Tallis Scholars. There are some videos of their live performances floating around YouTube. Either way they're worth looking into.
Ok, dont get offended since I am about to correct you a little on history. First of all, this is a polyphonic mass, not chant. Also, the Council of Trent was not trying to remove polyphony from sacred music (for if they had, polyphony would have been replaced with chant: something no one wanted at the time), they were trying to remove Parody Masses (masses based on secular tunes of the time) and force composers to compose with the text as the focal point. Clarity of text vs music
The Violin, at this time, was not in existence. However, the Viol was and many composers of the Renaissance wrote for it. Dont expect to find Viol parts with any masses though, they were used primarily for secular works.
Absolutely heavenly! Having just followed a link to something by James McMillan - which was turgid and tuneless to my ears - I now come to this most beautiful Mass setting by Palestrina. Right on, Palestrina!!!!! We need you, especially in my parish, where we are still "binding us all together, Lord" etc etc etc.
@IlkeaPikkuMyy - Sorry dude it ain't gonna happen in catholic churches anyway. After Vatican 2 the music for the liturgy has to involve "full and active participation of the laity" . In other words everything has to be DUMBED DOWN to the level of the most retarded tone deaf idiot present. Those infallible bishops really know how to pack em in ! lol
You've got that right; of course, the Novus Ordo Sect, that accursed spawn of the invalid "Vatican II" Robber Council, isn't the Catholic Church at all, but a counterfeit religion, headed by its Chief Brothel-Keeper, the apostate Benedict XVI. To answer the question, "Is the Pope Catholic"; certainly not the current office-holder. We haven't had a REAL pope since Bl. John XXIII, who never signed a single document emanating from the Council, but realized too late it had deviated from the Faith.
@NoiseGrinder How right you are! Couldn't have put it more eloquently myself! And the sooner Paul Inwood gets off of my cloud the better. Everything seems to have been "arranged" by him these days! Right on, Palestrina!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do you know where I can find this song sung by The Tallis Scholars? Or is this it? I haven't heard it in a while, and I have an impeccable memory for recognizing music, but I can't pinpoint if this is it exactly. Either way, beautiful and exquisitely written song.
@Fero631 Exactly, i do respect, but i dont understand :) And its not in my hands to say if something is right or wrong, no one and nothing is perfect :) (sorry about my english, im portuguese)
@MrVieweiV Palestrina was inspired by God, he was an instrument of God. That could sound as Im undermining his job (of Palestrina) but It is not easy to be an instrument of God.
@peloavila The Human Being doesnt need a God to creat, justify or do anything at all. I dont believe, i just respect, but do me a favor, dont say Palestrina was as instrument of God....his music (Palestrina) is spectacular because he was a genius and because he wore the counterpoint technique like no one....and thats it
@MrVieweiV You don't know history of art. Art is an emanation of religion. And that's not a coincdence if Palestrina is a catholic. A muslim, a buddhist or an atheist couldn't make this kind of music at this time.
@lapinot21 In fact, I know the history of art, and i can assure you this: God is no more than a source of inspiration, just like a picture. I know that art is a emanation of religion, but that doesnt mean God is the one who created....
It is obvious that an atheist would never make music like this, and that is one of the problems of religion: eveyone who thinks in a different way should be burned....
@MrVieweiV In fact I didn't read the beginning of your conversation, I was only answering to your last sentence and thought that in your opinon religion had nothing to do with art in general, and this music in particular.
@lapinot21 Oh, ok ok. You are right, much of the art is all about religion, but that doesnt mean God is the one o created it...If you do believe so, well, i cant say nothing at all, its your choice. And i do respect you, i just have a different opinion :)
@MrVieweiV Do you think that we(the catholic people) are stupid people that dont study and that we give no credit to the persons who did great things?Do you think thatwe are just praying(but its an important thing to do)?Im studying medicine and Im convinced that God always helps me to do it well.And palestrina was catholic too.The problem isnt thatyou dont believe in God, the problem is that you hate the people who believe in God.Our inteligence is given by God,but we have to put our effort too
@peloavila And Im not the one who is giving no credit to someone. You are the one who is giving no credit to God and to the Church. Because people dont admit that the Church was promoving art and sciences in that epoch. And I repeat, Im taking down Palestrina, he is one of my favourites musicians and Im sure that he was a genious and that he studied a lot.
@peloavila I never said that, there are in my family a lot of catholic persons and i love them all. I'm not judging you for your choices and believes, everyone is free to do whatever wants... I'm just manifesting my opinion.
But tell me something: that god you believe, was he who study for you? was he the one o suffer all these years to enter in a university?
No, it was you. You were the one who study all your life, you were the who entered the university...didnt you study Darwin?
@peloavila There are in my family a lot of catholic persons and i love them all. I'm not judging you for your choices and believes, everyone is free to do whatever wants... I'm just manifesting my opinion.
But tell me something: that god, was he the one who study for you? was he the one o suffer all these years to enter in a university?
No, it was you. You were the one who study all your life, you were the who entered the university...and it wasnt god o gave us intellegence...it was Evolution
@MrVieweiV Evolution? let me say something about it. Evolution is one of the biggest lies. First of all science cannot say how the world was created, because science studies things that can be proved and reproduced experimentally .Second, evolution is not science, is fantasy.more than that, is an ideology, a pseudoreligion.Science uses theories, and the "theory" of the evolution is just a poor hypothesis(it cant be comprobed).Third,the media and many"scientists"(not all)says that "is proved" and
and this is a big lie.The truth is that scientists that behave like real scientists(not like the dreamer pseudoscientists that are favoured by the media)and study this"theory" with a real scientific attitude, conclude that is a big fantasy and lie. This real scientists are silenced by the media(there are proves,an example is in the film expelled no inteligence allowed)In conclusion, humanity is trying to deny God, but there are other interets like money. Evolution theories give big profits
@peloavila Called Geneva? well, you should really research about what is being built in there....
To finish my comment...are persons like you, who only believe in one thing ando close their world to that, who are deteriorating our planete. Persons like you killed a lot of innocent people in my contry because they thought in a different way...its not a movie that show us all the thinks we need to know to criticize, first of all, learn, then listen, and only after that you can argue....
@MrVieweiV Just one more thing...i know more about religion then you probably think, and im not talking just about Christianity....so, learn one little thing, the god you believe in is no more than a great invention to weak people believe, so they can find a meaning of life....i dont believe in god, but im pretty sure about what i must do in my life, and it is be happy, and make other persons happy...and trust me, do what your church is doing is the opposite of that...
@MrVieweiV You condemn people for their sexual choices, their religious choices and their attitudes...i think the thing you should really condemn is you, because you believe in something that agree we all should suffer in our lifes to became more pure and to pay for original sin...is that what is life all about?
@peloavila Off course evolution is a big lie and it doesnt make any sense...being created by a powerful god who created the world with a thought makes much more sense....come on....do you really entered in medicine? evolution evidences are everywhere, and i mean everywhere...just read some books
Oh, and let me tell you something, if do really want to believe on a God who created everything you should really start thinking of a change....Anohter thing, have you ever heard about a little town
@MrVieweiV Well first of all, it must be made clear that God created the earth and all that is in it. God created human beings in His image and he breathed life into them. God gave each human being some form of a gift, and for Palestrina, I guess that gift would be in his music. Palestrina wrote masses for catholic services. If you know the background on Palestrina, it is know that he had written secular madrigals, and later upon looking back at his life, hated them and wrote madrigals with.....
@tubatalen Ok, let me just ask you something, and depending on your answer i will respond or not to your comment, did you ever study on a normal school? did you ever tryed to learn something that its not religion? if so, how do you explain the world you live? And how do you explain evolution? How do you explain cience?
Was your God, that powerfull God, who created all of this? I just want you to explain me why, because if i want to believe something created the all universe i dont need yourGod
@MrVieweiV ....sacred meaning. This is one example of how music is a gift from God. But to answer your question, God wanted humans to have enjoyment in life, some of our snjoyment goes to praise God for Him giving us this gift, others don't realize that their gift is from God and abuse it, I won't mention anyone though. I really hope that I answered your question.
@tubatalen Palestrina hated his madrigals? What are you based to state such thing?
What about non liturgical music? What about rock, pop, jazz? Is that music also a gift from God? What about music that has a atheist message? That music exists in many genres of music. If all music is a gift from God, then why is there music with non-religious message?
When a teenagers sings and plays guitar in his bedroom is he being inspired by God? Or is he just having some fun?
@Assislau I am in a music history class at the moment and from what I learned Palestrina hated some of his madrigals later writing new sacred ones. Music is a gift from God, it is not used in "good" ways all of the time. Maybe God decided that the music without the religious view could be used to promote discussions like this one. As for the teenager, I already answered that.
@tubatalen ohh...so you are saying that any kind of music which as non religious intent is not music?
If there is a great composer who doesnt creat music about god it means he is inspired by the devil, beause music is all about god, because god is everything?
Or doest it mean that he is not like you (a closed mind person) and tries to open up his mind to other things the world has? Music isnt about God, music is about feelings...
@MrVieweiV No, I am saying that people abuse God's gifts to us. God is everything, Music is a gift from God, humans abuse the gift he has given us, we distort our world with songs not about God. Music is about feelings. music is music, noise is noise, you are you, I am me, people are able to be inspired by the devil, that's atheism for you.
@tubatalen How can you say that writing music I like is abusing the gift from God?!? If a write a music that gives me pleasure and goes against the "rules" of God, is that music imoral? Is that bad music? Why?? Why can´t we do the music that gives US pleasure? Why do we have to do the music that gives pleasure to God?
Another thing: How can you say what music God likes? God only likes music that praises him? Can´t he like other music? In that case, he is really close-minded.
@marilyn0ng If you study psychology you would learn that feelings from specific areas in the brain activated by certain neurons in a very complex way.
Of course this is all very hard to understand. It´s way easier to say that all is a gift from God.
@MrVieweiV Well, if you believe that God gave you (him) everything you/him got, including talent, then it is indirectly a gift from God, at least in my opinion.
However, I don't see the point of using that phrase and especially arguing about it
@sencillitos I´m kind of sick of those comments, everything you can say is: "music is a gift from god" "music is cool because God created it"....
No, my dear friend, it wasnt God who created it all, and if you believe that you are right just find me something that proves it.....and what someone very clever wrote in a book doesnt whorth it
@MrVieweiV Yeah I could never understand how a composer writes a composition (even if he intended it to be for god), and people think their god wrote it haha! Its like if I was inspired by someone to write a piece about them...in no way did they write it, they just inspired us! Religious people have such gaps in their logic...
@bamboccionethefirst Maybe, and it is just an opinion, maybe he thought about what he was doing, and after years of learning music, he created it.....i dont know, maybe....just saying.....
Oh, and that kind of comments are just stupid...you dont argument something just by beeing sarcastic....
@bamboccionethefirst This actually made me think about sex. :) you know... an active participation or collaboration of the receiver, like... shake it baby!! :D
@bamboccionethefirst Talent is not "given." Many people are born with a tendency towards music, and this tendency can be sharpened into skill through practice and study. It is a skill to be developed, not a gift to be given. Our thanks should go to Palestrina for being so dedicated to music to reach the level he did.
@bamboccionethefirst If you would stop believing you need a God giving you this power, you will probably find the courage to do something amazing yourself that will remain in the history and make a moron centuries later wonder if God gave him this talent.
@polymath7 Well forgive me, but i do not exactly see how there is even a slight correlation between the invention of the computer and hatred for other religions...
Well, then I must ask your forgiveness in turn, because you force me to say you know absolutely nothing about occidental intellectual history.
The causal relationship is between the rise of science, its discoveries widening latitude to challenge religious claims to truth about the world, and its progress having been greatly retarded by the very need to push against these boundaries to begin with.
This simply *is not* debatable; it is a matter of fact, not opinion.
I passionately detest *all* religions -though I hasten to add, this hatred of religions does not by any stretch automatically extend to their adherents.
That was the only possible connection i thought you'd have in mind. I know with advances in science (including computers) there was an increase in questioning religion in general. I am not dense and realize this. My point was not related to this at all. I was stating that bashing other religions never gets you anywhere SIMPLY because the person getting bashed has their mind made up about how they're living their lives and what they believe. Basically, Its not as if they will change their minds.
First, contrary to popular misconception, it is most definitely is quite possible to dissuade the religious from their delusions.
I have done it many times.
Admittedly, I seem to have done so only in private conversation and not, apparently, within the constraints of public discourse.
But the primary rhetorical currency of challenging religious dogmas in public discourse lies not in the attempt to convince the theist, but in making him appear....
By all means, find it as hilarious as you please, but it is not for nothing that I call myself polymath.
People always reproach me for my supposed arrogance, as if beyond a certain level of intelligence it is no longer permissible to harbor a self-assessment that is commensurate to one's abilities -or at the very least one is obliged to conceal it.
Look, I think we better park it here. I'm clearly only pissing you off.
Yes it is... the conflict theory -that's what what you're proposing is called- was a (mainly anti-catholic protestant) Victorian fad that had been rebuked and rejected by all serious historians/sociologists by the beginning of the 20th century...
Also.. ya think Religious music by Religious people in a Religious context might have ANYTHING to do with... oh, I don't know... Religion?
I actually had to answer another guy's comment and I felt like I had to say I was an atheist to make him see I understood his point, so I didn't come to this video shouting about it. And sorry for commenting here again, just feel I need to defend my statements down there by explaining that I never came here with a disrespectful attitude against Christians. The last thing I wanted was trouble. And it feels good that somebody thinks I have the right to love this music too, thank you for that.
whats with all this hate on atheists in here? cant we just listen to the music? I'm here because of Civilization IV and this is my favorite piece from the whole game. It's beautiful
Every time I listen to this i get goosebumps wondering why some people dont like this music! I have been begging my director to do this piece!
Doom11893 11 months ago
CooL
henryfire 11 months ago
One does not love the gift over the giver. Palestrina is a gift from the Lord.
TheJbach 1 year ago
@TheJbach One does not love the gift over giver? Yeah right. If a perv gives you a candy, are you gonna love the perv or the candy? :) Oh, lol, and the examples could go on so much. I come here to take a look into the history of music, but I stumble upon lots and lots of "believers". Must be really sad to listen to this music by default :)
Arwen2much 11 months ago
EmilyMae, what a dope you are. Where do you think Palestrina got his gift, but from God.
Silverdaddy101 1 year ago
wat a bad musik
martinlian123 1 year ago
@martinlian123 From looking at your profile, I understand that you are a child. When you grow up one day, you will perhaps understand why this music has survived for so many centuries, and why many people can listen to it for years, even decades, without getting tired of it.
When I was your age, I didn't like it either. But as we grow up, we see, learn, understand many things about this world, and only then we begin to appreciate the really good music. You will see.
Timrath 1 year ago
In my opinion, I love vocalists than instrumental musicians (regarding that I am a violinist) because their voice is their instrument. They express how they feel and love about music (passion). Because of capella's like this, instruments was invented, and soon evolved into more sophisticated instruments as the brass woodwinds and even percussions. It's not god who made it, It's the people who loves music expressing their feelings to music itself
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Waskracht 1 year ago
12 Justin Bieber fans....
Waskracht 1 year ago 6
When I went to a Music conservatory at France with my professional string friends, I heard this choir inside from a enormous church. I told my friends to meet me at a cafe somewhere close at the church, and went inside. While I was inside listening to this beautiful capella, tears came out from my eyes until the whole capella was over.
HIMADESU223 1 year ago 3
great sound !
saintandrews83 1 year ago
it's a bit heaven
ChrisselWasser 1 year ago
I'm trying to study for my music exam. but this music is so peaceful its putting me to sleep. Its too beautiful
gymnastgirlflips 1 year ago
Its a pity that even this wonderful music fail to prevent priests from being pedophiles and molesters!
wrongbuzz 1 year ago
@wrongbuzz This music isn't really played in the church anymore. So it can't be blamed^^
JesterOnCrack 1 year ago
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@wrongbuzz "Its a pity that even this wonderful music fail to prevent priests from being pedophiles and molesters!"
Or to prevent Christians in general from hating so much. :-(
Timrath 1 year ago
anyway god is just someone created by humans to explain things they weren't capable to understand
H3dd42 1 year ago 5
@H3dd42 Exactly
MrVieweiV 1 year ago
So beautiful
aaliineehaaall 1 year ago
The music trancends religions. It is beautiful, pure and simple. Close your eyes and what you feel is what it means.
Leonidaslost 1 year ago 2
@Leonidaslost I couldnt agree more with you :)
MrVieweiV 1 year ago
How hard to sing a capella! Great!
HerrWarja 1 year ago
Great discussion. Like it. Just one thing:
In the XX century, lots of composers studied the vocal technique of Palestrina. They learned it and composed requiems and masses in the same style. Some of those works sound very similar to Palestrina (due to the imitation of composing style). They sound.... Inspired by the God. The fact is that some of those composers are atheists or agnistics. How could they be inspired by something they don´t believe in?
btw: Palestrina rocks :)
Assislau 1 year ago
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MrVieweiV 1 year ago
@Assislau Well, thats a good question, and makes me think what believes are all about. Probably they dont believe but they like how this kind of music sounds...
MrVieweiV 1 year ago
@Assislau
But in view of the history of this brilliant work of Palestrinas', could
we not at least state that he was attempting to demonstrate to Pope
Marcellus, in response to the counter reformationist Cardinals within the Curia who at the Council of Trent, had called for
"Polyphony" to be banned, that it could in fact be liturgical?
blainebill39 1 year ago
@blainebill39 I agree with you. This music has liturgical proposes. I think that´s a fact, but the fact it has liturgical purposes doesn´t mean that it´s inspired by God or that´s "a gift from God".
Assislau 1 year ago
@Assislau Exactly, thats the point, music is just a way to express the composer feelings about something, and sometimes not even that, we are the ones who give music meaning, the listeners. God is just a way to justify (badly) how music is spectatular and moves worlds...
MrVieweiV 1 year ago
@Assislau
My friend, I believe I understand what you're attempting to express. The first
time I stood in front of Botticellis' masterpiece "Primavera" at the Uffizi in Florence,
I was so moved, it almost took my breath away! And I knew that its inspiration came from
no G-D!
Blaine
blainebill39 1 year ago
@Assislau
My friend, I personally do not feel the need to declare that a graet
work of art was inspired by the diety, though I am a "Thiest" myself!
blainebill39 1 year ago
fides non necessibat loquire...Pax
semperaedem 1 year ago 2
who's this fucken 394 didn't like that ?
kingofflute 1 year ago
I live in the neighborhood of the Choir School at the Cathedral of the Madeliene - at minimum - weekly - Palestrina does it for me to keep me doing the good things that I do.
hugemangus 1 year ago
This music is fantastic, probably shedding tears all over the world. Tears of wonder and joy. Religion also sheds tears all over the world. Tears of war, pain and agony.
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waffleman1992 1 year ago
Yes, Nirvana, It is great art rather than the forced strictures of inflexible dogma
that gives us a respite from the vulgarity of modern culture and invites us to
partake in the sublime. And nothing is more sublime than this apotheosis of
the High Renaissance, transporting us up from what is earthbound and scholastic into the ether of eternity.
mvolkov11 1 year ago
@mvolkov11
Beautiful comment !
Jan.
janvkimm 1 year ago
Although I realize Giovanni was a devout Catholic, as an Atheist I can say that this is simply marvelous.
NirvanaLord 1 year ago 4
The most beautiful piece of music ever written (imo of course)
numbersixvalverde 1 year ago
ganz toll
TotocaLvin 1 year ago
may one know what they are saying? pls
8changin8fazes8 1 year ago
I mean that is like as angel songs!
TheMihael11 1 year ago
This is singing of eternity!
TheMihael11 1 year ago
Piękna msza na chór a cappella.
muzyk10091 1 year ago
Polyphonies superbes,c'est majestueux sans être pompeux,aérien sans être léger,ça élève l'âme vers la beauté.Superbe!
88sublunaire 1 year ago
In my opinion, this song should only be sung by an all male choir, like it was originally composed for . its not that I don't think girls should sing it, its that the beauty of the song comes from that cut from the treble boys and the countertenor men in the alto part. This is an amazing piece of composition and amazing rendition of it.
kidbe864 1 year ago 2
according to tradition , thanks to this mass Palestrina saved the polifonic mass from a possible prohibition by the catholic church, distrubed by the complexity of the music could avoid the total comprehension of the sacred texts, being or not true it´s one of the most perfect works of the genius of its author, it was written towards 1555
beethomozart 1 year ago 3
So beautiful and so heavenly! We love You O God our Savior! Sustain us in Your mercy and in Your grace, so that we may always remain united with Your love for all eternity.
Alltruthseeker 1 year ago 3
I heard this mess, yesterday! It was so beautiful and this music is absolutely great! I'm in a choir too and I think we'll sing this mess!
TheTails15 1 year ago
One of the most sublime pieces of music ever written, the other would be by Tallis :)
inregionecaecorum 1 year ago
@inregionecaecorum the other being Spem Alium by Tallis? That is just divine :)
JazzSongs1234 1 year ago
Love it. Both delightful and exhilirating.
Shambalaism 1 year ago
Beautiful!
Shambalaism 1 year ago
To Billyguns2- the magnificent choir perfoming the "Kyrie" of the Missa Papae Marcelli is indeed King's College Choir, Cambridge University, Cambridge, England, Sir David Willcocks, Music Director, Conducting. How do I know? I have the LP recording of the performance!
trainscarl 1 year ago
I seem to be the only one who cares to know the name of the magnificent choir; WHO ARE THEY?
billyguns2 1 year ago
@billyguns2 I'm pretty sure it's the Tallis Scholars. There are some videos of their live performances floating around YouTube. Either way they're worth looking into.
Chromachronic 1 year ago
This mass was composed during the Council of Trent to try and prove to Pope Marcellus II that polyphonic chants were understandable.
Because the council was trying to remove Polyphonic chants like this. So give it up to Palestrina, he saved Catholic Chants!
TheEcumenator 1 year ago 3
@TheEcumenator
Ok, dont get offended since I am about to correct you a little on history. First of all, this is a polyphonic mass, not chant. Also, the Council of Trent was not trying to remove polyphony from sacred music (for if they had, polyphony would have been replaced with chant: something no one wanted at the time), they were trying to remove Parody Masses (masses based on secular tunes of the time) and force composers to compose with the text as the focal point. Clarity of text vs music
Motetftw 1 year ago
@Motetftw lol why would i get offended for being told some truth? I only can thank you.
TheEcumenator 1 year ago
does he have any songs for violin? probably not.. :(
Veo17 1 year ago
@Veo17 Even if he didn't exactly WRITE something for violin, there is most likely something transposed that you could find! :)
BaccioDiMaschera 1 year ago
@Veo17
The Violin, at this time, was not in existence. However, the Viol was and many composers of the Renaissance wrote for it. Dont expect to find Viol parts with any masses though, they were used primarily for secular works.
Motetftw 1 year ago
Absolutely heavenly! Having just followed a link to something by James McMillan - which was turgid and tuneless to my ears - I now come to this most beautiful Mass setting by Palestrina. Right on, Palestrina!!!!! We need you, especially in my parish, where we are still "binding us all together, Lord" etc etc etc.
Wellymary1 1 year ago
wow
tonex1000 1 year ago
OMG , is it me or Palestrina looks like Dermot Mulroney of "My Best Friend Wedding??!?"
macmusikpro 1 year ago
@macmusikpro, He looks like King Leonitis from 300
jrmullet78 1 year ago
loved this in college music appreciation and history love it now! Very soothing. Lord have mercy.
TheValkerian 1 year ago
G. P. Palestrina:Misa Papae Marcelli;Kyrie
-renesansa
Jezik:Latinski
Ivođač:mjesoviti zbor
O izvođenju:vokalno
Slog:polifonija
Sadržaj:duhovni
Struktura i oblik: prokomponirani oblik
Tempo:adacio
5zvone 1 year ago
So you listen to a piece of sublime 16th century music that makes your soul soar to the Heavens.
It certainly is a rough landing reading comments left by all the e-smartasses of the 21st century...
Sic transit!
CaballeroCatalan 1 year ago
I like church music Xp they're so religious
MSnoobiest 1 year ago
fuckin beautiful, i luv palestrina's work. thomas luis de victoria as well. polyphonic choirsinging should be more used in churches!
IlkeaPikkuMyy 1 year ago 2
@IlkeaPikkuMyy - Sorry dude it ain't gonna happen in catholic churches anyway. After Vatican 2 the music for the liturgy has to involve "full and active participation of the laity" . In other words everything has to be DUMBED DOWN to the level of the most retarded tone deaf idiot present. Those infallible bishops really know how to pack em in ! lol
NoiseGrinder 1 year ago 2
You've got that right; of course, the Novus Ordo Sect, that accursed spawn of the invalid "Vatican II" Robber Council, isn't the Catholic Church at all, but a counterfeit religion, headed by its Chief Brothel-Keeper, the apostate Benedict XVI. To answer the question, "Is the Pope Catholic"; certainly not the current office-holder. We haven't had a REAL pope since Bl. John XXIII, who never signed a single document emanating from the Council, but realized too late it had deviated from the Faith.
GasconyKid 1 year ago
@NoiseGrinder How right you are! Couldn't have put it more eloquently myself! And the sooner Paul Inwood gets off of my cloud the better. Everything seems to have been "arranged" by him these days! Right on, Palestrina!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wellymary1 1 year ago
@IlkeaPikkuMyy Aron, log the FUCK off my channel!
IlkeaPikkuMyy 1 year ago
Do you know where I can find this song sung by The Tallis Scholars? Or is this it? I haven't heard it in a while, and I have an impeccable memory for recognizing music, but I can't pinpoint if this is it exactly. Either way, beautiful and exquisitely written song.
nmvaladanzouj 1 year ago
love it, beautiful acapella song
ashleesimpsonstar 1 year ago
Don 't quarrel you two.
This music is worth more.
Enjoy, with or without one another.
Excuse my english, it 's known better days.
anamcara13 1 year ago
What beautiful music--wouldn't you agree?
Why don't we just respect beliefs and listen to the beautiful music; I mean, it is a gift from God.
EmilyMae141 1 year ago 26
@EmilyMae141 amen to that
shitbeus 1 year ago
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@EmilyMae141 because the pope is a satanist, and the jesuit general plans to kill us
howtoplanaparty 1 year ago
@EmilyMae141 DERERRRP DERP HERP DERP OLOLO MUDKIPS DERP
Kummen 1 year ago 17
@Kummen How pathetic
catholicarchangel 1 year ago
@EmilyMae141 Actually Palestrina wrote it, so it is a gift from Mr. Palestrina. And what a gift.
TTakach999 1 year ago
@EmilyMae141 Listen to the beautiful music yes, respect false beliefs, no.
magget16 1 year ago
@EmilyMae141 I agree we should respect beliefs and enjoy all the music..but it wasnt a gift from God...its is gift from Palestrina...
MrVieweiV 1 year ago 33
@MrVieweiV So you respect her belief, but, personally, don't agree? :)
Fero631 1 year ago
@Fero631 Exactly, i do respect, but i dont understand :) And its not in my hands to say if something is right or wrong, no one and nothing is perfect :) (sorry about my english, im portuguese)
MrVieweiV 1 year ago
@MrVieweiV Palestrina was inspired by God, he was an instrument of God. That could sound as Im undermining his job (of Palestrina) but It is not easy to be an instrument of God.
peloavila 1 year ago
@peloavila The Human Being doesnt need a God to creat, justify or do anything at all. I dont believe, i just respect, but do me a favor, dont say Palestrina was as instrument of God....his music (Palestrina) is spectacular because he was a genius and because he wore the counterpoint technique like no one....and thats it
MrVieweiV 1 year ago
@MrVieweiV You don't know history of art. Art is an emanation of religion. And that's not a coincdence if Palestrina is a catholic. A muslim, a buddhist or an atheist couldn't make this kind of music at this time.
lapinot21 1 year ago
@lapinot21 In fact, I know the history of art, and i can assure you this: God is no more than a source of inspiration, just like a picture. I know that art is a emanation of religion, but that doesnt mean God is the one who created....
It is obvious that an atheist would never make music like this, and that is one of the problems of religion: eveyone who thinks in a different way should be burned....
MrVieweiV 1 year ago
@MrVieweiV In fact I didn't read the beginning of your conversation, I was only answering to your last sentence and thought that in your opinon religion had nothing to do with art in general, and this music in particular.
lapinot21 1 year ago
@lapinot21 Oh, ok ok. You are right, much of the art is all about religion, but that doesnt mean God is the one o created it...If you do believe so, well, i cant say nothing at all, its your choice. And i do respect you, i just have a different opinion :)
MrVieweiV 1 year ago
@MrVieweiV Do you think that we(the catholic people) are stupid people that dont study and that we give no credit to the persons who did great things?Do you think thatwe are just praying(but its an important thing to do)?Im studying medicine and Im convinced that God always helps me to do it well.And palestrina was catholic too.The problem isnt thatyou dont believe in God, the problem is that you hate the people who believe in God.Our inteligence is given by God,but we have to put our effort too
peloavila 1 year ago
@peloavila And Im not the one who is giving no credit to someone. You are the one who is giving no credit to God and to the Church. Because people dont admit that the Church was promoving art and sciences in that epoch. And I repeat, Im taking down Palestrina, he is one of my favourites musicians and Im sure that he was a genious and that he studied a lot.
peloavila 1 year ago
@peloavila I mean im NOT taking him down
peloavila 1 year ago
@peloavila I never said that, there are in my family a lot of catholic persons and i love them all. I'm not judging you for your choices and believes, everyone is free to do whatever wants... I'm just manifesting my opinion.
But tell me something: that god you believe, was he who study for you? was he the one o suffer all these years to enter in a university?
No, it was you. You were the one who study all your life, you were the who entered the university...didnt you study Darwin?
MrVieweiV 1 year ago
@MrVieweiV BTW, you did know that University is a Catholic word, did you not?
bigpoppaplump462 1 year ago
@bigpoppaplump462 And what does that mean?
MrVieweiV 1 year ago
@peloavila There are in my family a lot of catholic persons and i love them all. I'm not judging you for your choices and believes, everyone is free to do whatever wants... I'm just manifesting my opinion.
But tell me something: that god, was he the one who study for you? was he the one o suffer all these years to enter in a university?
No, it was you. You were the one who study all your life, you were the who entered the university...and it wasnt god o gave us intellegence...it was Evolution
MrVieweiV 1 year ago
@MrVieweiV Evolution? let me say something about it. Evolution is one of the biggest lies. First of all science cannot say how the world was created, because science studies things that can be proved and reproduced experimentally .Second, evolution is not science, is fantasy.more than that, is an ideology, a pseudoreligion.Science uses theories, and the "theory" of the evolution is just a poor hypothesis(it cant be comprobed).Third,the media and many"scientists"(not all)says that "is proved" and
peloavila 1 year ago
and this is a big lie.The truth is that scientists that behave like real scientists(not like the dreamer pseudoscientists that are favoured by the media)and study this"theory" with a real scientific attitude, conclude that is a big fantasy and lie. This real scientists are silenced by the media(there are proves,an example is in the film expelled no inteligence allowed)In conclusion, humanity is trying to deny God, but there are other interets like money. Evolution theories give big profits
peloavila 1 year ago
@peloavila Called Geneva? well, you should really research about what is being built in there....
To finish my comment...are persons like you, who only believe in one thing ando close their world to that, who are deteriorating our planete. Persons like you killed a lot of innocent people in my contry because they thought in a different way...its not a movie that show us all the thinks we need to know to criticize, first of all, learn, then listen, and only after that you can argue....
MrVieweiV 1 year ago
@MrVieweiV Just one more thing...i know more about religion then you probably think, and im not talking just about Christianity....so, learn one little thing, the god you believe in is no more than a great invention to weak people believe, so they can find a meaning of life....i dont believe in god, but im pretty sure about what i must do in my life, and it is be happy, and make other persons happy...and trust me, do what your church is doing is the opposite of that...
MrVieweiV 1 year ago
@MrVieweiV You condemn people for their sexual choices, their religious choices and their attitudes...i think the thing you should really condemn is you, because you believe in something that agree we all should suffer in our lifes to became more pure and to pay for original sin...is that what is life all about?
MrVieweiV 1 year ago
@peloavila Off course evolution is a big lie and it doesnt make any sense...being created by a powerful god who created the world with a thought makes much more sense....come on....do you really entered in medicine? evolution evidences are everywhere, and i mean everywhere...just read some books
Oh, and let me tell you something, if do really want to believe on a God who created everything you should really start thinking of a change....Anohter thing, have you ever heard about a little town
MrVieweiV 1 year ago
@MrVieweiV How do you know this?
Bordelais0909 1 year ago
@Bordelais0909 How do i know what? :)
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tubatalen 1 year ago
@MrVieweiV all music is a gift from God.
tubatalen 1 year ago
@tubatalen Please, tell me why
MrVieweiV 1 year ago
@MrVieweiV Well first of all, it must be made clear that God created the earth and all that is in it. God created human beings in His image and he breathed life into them. God gave each human being some form of a gift, and for Palestrina, I guess that gift would be in his music. Palestrina wrote masses for catholic services. If you know the background on Palestrina, it is know that he had written secular madrigals, and later upon looking back at his life, hated them and wrote madrigals with.....
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MrVieweiV 1 year ago
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@tubatalen Ok, let me just ask you something, and depending on your answer i will respond or not to your comment, did you ever study on a normal school? did you ever tryed to learn something that its not religion? if so, how do you explain the world you live? And how do you explain evolution? How do you explain cience?
Was your God, that powerfull God, who created all of this? I just want you to explain me why, because if i want to believe something created the all universe i dont need yourGod
MrVieweiV 1 year ago
@MrVieweiV ....sacred meaning. This is one example of how music is a gift from God. But to answer your question, God wanted humans to have enjoyment in life, some of our snjoyment goes to praise God for Him giving us this gift, others don't realize that their gift is from God and abuse it, I won't mention anyone though. I really hope that I answered your question.
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MrVieweiV 1 year ago
@tubatalen Palestrina hated his madrigals? What are you based to state such thing?
What about non liturgical music? What about rock, pop, jazz? Is that music also a gift from God? What about music that has a atheist message? That music exists in many genres of music. If all music is a gift from God, then why is there music with non-religious message?
When a teenagers sings and plays guitar in his bedroom is he being inspired by God? Or is he just having some fun?
Assislau 1 year ago
@Assislau I am in a music history class at the moment and from what I learned Palestrina hated some of his madrigals later writing new sacred ones. Music is a gift from God, it is not used in "good" ways all of the time. Maybe God decided that the music without the religious view could be used to promote discussions like this one. As for the teenager, I already answered that.
tubatalen 1 year ago
@tubatalen ohh...so you are saying that any kind of music which as non religious intent is not music?
If there is a great composer who doesnt creat music about god it means he is inspired by the devil, beause music is all about god, because god is everything?
Or doest it mean that he is not like you (a closed mind person) and tries to open up his mind to other things the world has? Music isnt about God, music is about feelings...
MrVieweiV 1 year ago
@MrVieweiV No, I am saying that people abuse God's gifts to us. God is everything, Music is a gift from God, humans abuse the gift he has given us, we distort our world with songs not about God. Music is about feelings. music is music, noise is noise, you are you, I am me, people are able to be inspired by the devil, that's atheism for you.
tubatalen 1 year ago
@tubatalen How can you say that writing music I like is abusing the gift from God?!? If a write a music that gives me pleasure and goes against the "rules" of God, is that music imoral? Is that bad music? Why?? Why can´t we do the music that gives US pleasure? Why do we have to do the music that gives pleasure to God?
Another thing: How can you say what music God likes? God only likes music that praises him? Can´t he like other music? In that case, he is really close-minded.
Assislau 1 year ago
@MrVieweiV what are feelings my fellow creature? where do feelings come from? how is it that we even feel?
marilyn0ng 1 year ago
@marilyn0ng Yeah, you are right, its much more easier to say: "It was God who created it all"
MrVieweiV 1 year ago
@marilyn0ng If you study psychology you would learn that feelings from specific areas in the brain activated by certain neurons in a very complex way.
Of course this is all very hard to understand. It´s way easier to say that all is a gift from God.
Assislau 1 year ago 4
@MrVieweiV Well, if you believe that God gave you (him) everything you/him got, including talent, then it is indirectly a gift from God, at least in my opinion.
However, I don't see the point of using that phrase and especially arguing about it
Greetings from Croatia :)
proudtobecroatian 1 year ago
@MrVieweiV un regalo de Dios a Palestrina y de Palestrina a nosotros..
zicekanelo 1 year ago
@MrVieweiV every thing is a gift from God.
sencillitos 1 year ago 11
@sencillitos I´m kind of sick of those comments, everything you can say is: "music is a gift from god" "music is cool because God created it"....
No, my dear friend, it wasnt God who created it all, and if you believe that you are right just find me something that proves it.....and what someone very clever wrote in a book doesnt whorth it
MrVieweiV 1 year ago
@MrVieweiV pax domine
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everything? . . . you must be christian
zorkntatertotter2 11 months ago
@MrVieweiV Palestrina apparently overheard the angels.
youmaus 1 year ago 2
@MrVieweiV Yeah I could never understand how a composer writes a composition (even if he intended it to be for god), and people think their god wrote it haha! Its like if I was inspired by someone to write a piece about them...in no way did they write it, they just inspired us! Religious people have such gaps in their logic...
TTakach999 1 year ago
@MrVieweiV Sure a gift from Palestrina, but who gave Palestrina such talent, Santa Claus? Or did he purchase it at the local grocers?
bamboccionethefirst 1 year ago
@bamboccionethefirst Maybe, and it is just an opinion, maybe he thought about what he was doing, and after years of learning music, he created it.....i dont know, maybe....just saying.....
Oh, and that kind of comments are just stupid...you dont argument something just by beeing sarcastic....
MrVieweiV 1 year ago
@MrVieweiV God's gift of talent doesn't exclude an active participation or collaberation by the reciever.
bamboccionethefirst 1 year ago
@bamboccionethefirst This actually made me think about sex. :) you know... an active participation or collaboration of the receiver, like... shake it baby!! :D
Arwen2much 11 months ago
@bamboccionethefirst Talent is not "given." Many people are born with a tendency towards music, and this tendency can be sharpened into skill through practice and study. It is a skill to be developed, not a gift to be given. Our thanks should go to Palestrina for being so dedicated to music to reach the level he did.
Hektor88 1 year ago
@bamboccionethefirst If you would stop believing you need a God giving you this power, you will probably find the courage to do something amazing yourself that will remain in the history and make a moron centuries later wonder if God gave him this talent.
Arwen2much 11 months ago
"Geez, bashing religions never gets you anywhere..."
Forgive me, but the computer on which you wrote that would not exist had everyone in human history been reticent to "bash religion".
This is not speculative.
polymath7 1 year ago
@polymath7 Well forgive me, but i do not exactly see how there is even a slight correlation between the invention of the computer and hatred for other religions...
TheMBG121 1 year ago
Well, then I must ask your forgiveness in turn, because you force me to say you know absolutely nothing about occidental intellectual history.
The causal relationship is between the rise of science, its discoveries widening latitude to challenge religious claims to truth about the world, and its progress having been greatly retarded by the very need to push against these boundaries to begin with.
This simply *is not* debatable; it is a matter of fact, not opinion.
alwaysright10000 1 year ago
Oh, and I did not include the qualifier "other"
I passionately detest *all* religions -though I hasten to add, this hatred of religions does not by any stretch automatically extend to their adherents.
alwaysright10000 1 year ago
Sorry, used my satirical troll account,; those replies were suppose to come from "polymath".
polymath7 1 year ago
That was the only possible connection i thought you'd have in mind. I know with advances in science (including computers) there was an increase in questioning religion in general. I am not dense and realize this. My point was not related to this at all. I was stating that bashing other religions never gets you anywhere SIMPLY because the person getting bashed has their mind made up about how they're living their lives and what they believe. Basically, Its not as if they will change their minds.
TheMBG121 1 year ago 2
I.
I don't share this perception at all.
First, contrary to popular misconception, it is most definitely is quite possible to dissuade the religious from their delusions.
I have done it many times.
Admittedly, I seem to have done so only in private conversation and not, apparently, within the constraints of public discourse.
But the primary rhetorical currency of challenging religious dogmas in public discourse lies not in the attempt to convince the theist, but in making him appear....
polymath7 1 year ago
II.
...irrational, foolish, and potentially destructive to an ambivalent third party.
This isn't always pretty or pleasant and can't always be gentle, but it is, ultimately, necessary and constructive.
polymath7 1 year ago
@polymath7 1st - I take great offense to
you claiming that someone religious (like me)
are simply delusional. I have not once bashed your belief that your
intellectual human mind can solve everything because i firmly believe
you nor anyone else is all knowing. And in my mind, THIS is not debatable
because there are things that the smartest individuals in the world cannot
solve. But that's your life, and you're choice.
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TheMBG121 1 year ago
I'm sorry, but i'f you've read the bible -have you?- and believe it, you're either stupid or insane.
I take no pleasure in offending you, but there's just no gentle way to say it.
Nor by any stretch must I be all-knowing to justifiably conclude that a proposition almost certainly untrue.
I'm *not* all-knowing, I'm just smarter than any three people you've ever met combined.
*shrug*
If it makes you feel any better, or makes this comment any less abrasive, you're very attractive.
polymath7 1 year ago
@polymath7 Well im sure you've read at least
some of it (or id hope) for you to make comments
like you have. To translate the bible literally -
as im sure you've done - that is insane. No i don't think
Jonah lived in the mouth of a whale, nor do i think
moses REALLY parted the red seas. It's not literal
in my opinion. Besides i SAID the bible was
irrelevant in confirming my beliefs - i don't have
to be a bible hugger to feel and
know there is a god.
TheMBG121 1 year ago
Well okay, but what exactly do you mean by "God"?
The answer is *not* obvious.
If you simply mean a an intelligence that created the universe, that's not so bad.
But if that's *all* you mean, then I really don't think you're a Christian by any satisfactory definition of the word.
polymath7 1 year ago
@polymath7 But you don't believe it anything but logic and science.
So its as if im talking to a wall.
Furthering my point that once someone's beliefs are cemented into
their being, it is unchangeable.
You may not be all-knowing,
but you certainly carry yourself as if you were.
Its very unbecoming by the way. Quite
possibly you're just entirely narcissistic which
explains how you say you're not "all knowing"
TheMBG121 1 year ago
Where did I say I only believe in logic and science? I did not so much as faintly imply anything of the sort.
In fact I believe just as much in love and poetry and kindness.
Don't look so bemused -belief in God is necessary for *none* of this.
polymath7 1 year ago
@polymath7 but you then claim to be smarter than
any 3 ppl i've ever met combined.
I find it hilarious that you believe this. And i DID NOT
remove my comments because of YOU.
For some reason they were out of order and the
response seemed illogical.
TheMBG121 1 year ago
By all means, find it as hilarious as you please, but it is not for nothing that I call myself polymath.
People always reproach me for my supposed arrogance, as if beyond a certain level of intelligence it is no longer permissible to harbor a self-assessment that is commensurate to one's abilities -or at the very least one is obliged to conceal it.
Look, I think we better park it here. I'm clearly only pissing you off.
polymath7 1 year ago
You've removed the comments you just posted?
*wince*
I hate when I have that effect.
I apologize; I can be a bit of an intellectual bully sometimes.
Good day to you.
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TheMBG121 1 year ago
@polymath7 @polymath7 2nd -Those "christians" that you
persuaded to stop being "delusional" must not have
been real "Christians." Quite possibly they were agnostic.
Real christians (note: you don't have to go to church, know the bible by heart, etc just to be a christian, you just have to
know and feel that there is a god) won't just give up
because of your large words and pompous intellectual approach.
I am a believer, and NO ONE can change my mind.
I have prayed, & my prayers are
answered.
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@polymath7 I have never witnessed a
miracle, but i know there are events that
can only be explained by a higher being.
Regardless of the politics in deciphering the
bible,or if this or that really happened - That's irrelevant
for why i believe he's real. He's a god who is forgiving of sin because
we are all his children. And may god forgive you.
This whole conversation began b/c i said you can't
change someone's mind about a religion they
believe in - i feel as if i have proven you wrong
TheMBG121 1 year ago
@polymath7
Yes it is... the conflict theory -that's what what you're proposing is called- was a (mainly anti-catholic protestant) Victorian fad that had been rebuked and rejected by all serious historians/sociologists by the beginning of the 20th century...
Also.. ya think Religious music by Religious people in a Religious context might have ANYTHING to do with... oh, I don't know... Religion?
CaballeroCatalan 1 year ago
che meraviglia!
hanskers 1 year ago
just great...goosebumps
UshuaiaQuiaca 1 year ago
I actually had to answer another guy's comment and I felt like I had to say I was an atheist to make him see I understood his point, so I didn't come to this video shouting about it. And sorry for commenting here again, just feel I need to defend my statements down there by explaining that I never came here with a disrespectful attitude against Christians. The last thing I wanted was trouble. And it feels good that somebody thinks I have the right to love this music too, thank you for that.
moltoallegro19 1 year ago
@moltoallegro19 thank you for clarifying. I didn't see the other guys comments, which explains my confusion. And you're quite welcome.
TheMBG121 1 year ago
whats with all this hate on atheists in here? cant we just listen to the music? I'm here because of Civilization IV and this is my favorite piece from the whole game. It's beautiful
wes5020 1 year ago
I *THOUGHT* it was the Tallis Scholars whose Palestrina performances were on that game... is it them?
jazzpsalti 1 year ago
I wish I knew. Regardless, all I know is that I found Christianity as fast as I can so I can get to the Medieval age and listen to this lol
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