nice but dont forget, racing in a straight line doesnt prove that the car is better in any way. Americans got that part down quite well but leave the tunning and track time usage to the europeans and japanese.
And speaking of cornering, go ahead and ask anyone who actually races - be it drag racing, oval track, road course, etc. what handles turns better with power: FWD or RWD. A 1000HP CRX would be a death trap on anything but a straight line (which is pretty ironic)
@Psychlonic Some very good points you have there, not many people seem to understand that a car can be too light! As far as cornering let me just ask one question. What car won the 2010 Formula D Championship? As far as the price of tuning hondas are cheaper to get into the 10-11 secc range. start getting any faster than that and the V8's are the obvious choice.
Of course, it's perfectly possible to make a Honda crush Novas in the 7 second realm, but it's going to cost a shit ton of time and effort. You say it's cheaper to tune an i4, when really it's the other way around from what I've seen. I've seen people throw new cranks, pistons, headers, turbo... all kinds of expensive shit on their Hondas and still come out under 350HP. WHY??? And for all the owners that say they can corner better, I have yet to actually see it proven.
I'm not a big Mustang fan, but I think you're forgetting that there are more factors to consider than just horsepower. For one, V8s produce more torque per HP almost invariably. Second, rear-wheel drive cars are proven to launch better (source: any competitive NHRA racer). Third, Mustangs can be dropped down to the same optimal weight as a CRX. There IS such a thing as too light, and Mustangs can reach the sweet spot. Two cars, same weight, one with better torque and RWD. The Mustang wins.
@Psychlonic awd maybe slower then rwd launching stock... modified awd will always launch better... its because stock awd get to much traction for the stock clutch and it gets overwhelmed and bogs... if you can get your awd to spin a little bit to overcome the traction issue then you have a rocket fast car...
Realistically, 1000HP is the limit even for the most hardcore street driver. So you can either strain the everloving hell out of a 6 cylinder to reach that and go broke, or you can just build up a good V8 that will be reliable and not require every single trick. Normally aspirated big blocks can reach that, as can supercharged small blocks for under 10k. "But teh weight!" It's called weight distribution, which is far more important than overall weight when it comes to handling.
i dont know if u guys realized but Jap cars absolutely have to have tons of boost to even compete with N/A muscle, evo, gtr,skyline, wrx, to name a few, in which none can remotly carry a light for a stock Z-06,
I think the real story is that you can get plenty of HP out of a 6 cylinder or even a 4, but the more you drop cylinders, the more money, time, and effort you will need to put into it. It's not marginal, we're talking thousands upon thousands of extra dollars to match 1000HP V8s which can be done for far cheaper. The best Jap 6 cylinders I've seen will reach around 1500HP, which can be done far easier with a V8, which can still go higher. Then there's torque, which everyone forgets
@Psychlonic it may be easier to get a v8 to 1000hp, but most i4s weigh half as much as a v8. so a 1000 hp crx or 240 would eat a 1000 hp mustang. point is, its much cheaper to tune a i4.
To elaborate, a STOCK 1969 (think about how old that is) Charger R/T will dyno at over 500 horsepower. Now, do you think someone who took the time and money to polish up that body just left the motor stock, or do you think they bolted on and ported/polished the latest goodies to make it even faster? Just saying...
For people saying muscle, guys... An F-body Camaro is not a muscle car... It is a mid-level sportscar/pony car by Chevrolet. The last Chevy muscle car was the Chevelle SS. This goes for import fans, too. Just because something has a V8 in it does not mean it's "muscle", it means it had a V8 in it unless it's a 60-70s 2-door mid-size, in which case you should REALLY not even try to race it because it will smash you.
You don't even know what muscle car means, then. Look it up before trying to sound smart. The Chevelle was GM's muscle car. Camaro is a pony car. I know you have know idea what "pony car" means but you should look that up, too. Email GM themselves if you're still confused afterwards, or any muscle car association and ask about joining with a Camaro.
im gettin into the european cars now. i want something that people dismiss as an ordinary car then it blows the doors off their car. like an audi rs4 wagon. im never buying new again. i will import. way cooler cars for way less money.
it looks like the skyline driver had some issues,most people suck at driving right hand drive cars,i know i had a jdm silvia before and it's not the same,my first 240sx had a rb25det not twin turbo power but a single,i was never smoked by any car on the street,pushing more than 380 hp 400fp torq out of a little 240 i never lost ,by the way i now drive a convertable 240sx with an ls1 with 300hp so im not hating on demestic,4dr cars stay home with the family
@Tat2b well a I6 is a V8 biggest rival Not to mention it was racing a holden and a ford thats like little competition plus a V8 is a lot heavier and give too much front end weight punishing cornering speed and weight distribution with added traction issues cuz of too much TQ and not to mention they operate at a lower RPM and gear selection. So the R34 had the upper hand with AWD, I6TT,close gear ratio,REV happy engine,near 50/50 weight, and lighter car
@Mpower330csl I really do hate to big up yank tanks, really i do, but unfortunately a chevy ls series v8 is actually lighter than a nissan rb series engine. God it hurt to say that!! Even so, i'd take an R32,3,4, or 35 over a camaro any day!
@rastclart really? actually Ill almost take any classic camaro over a R32 or R34 maybe not a R34 cuz i really love that body style. And def. ill pass the R35 i fucken hate that car Ill def choose a classic camaro over a R35
@MrTjc14 LOL thats funny thats why Jap. design there engine that can Rev high. Cuz they need to stroke faster to make up for the size, just watch jap porn and yull understand LOL one normal stroke for american=3 quick ones for Japs.
thats fucking funny.. asian penis are jus like there engines.. small and dont put out....
ok comparing domestic cars and imports is fukn stupid its like comparing futbol and american football you cant compare the to 2 diff sports same with the cars there built to do diff things ya in a straight line muscle most of the time will own a import on a track the import will smash on the muscle car and the reason ppl here build there hondas and nissans to b really fast cuz every one out here in america races in a straight line and not at a track
wow dunno where you live here in America but we do race in straight lines as well as road courses all the time. Another thing, The Domestics put a hurting on the imports at the road courses. The Domestics don't win all the time but they do win a lot. You should check it out sometime.
sti, evo, supra, rx7, even gsx eclipse, domestic cars arent really great for road courses, it actually seems like european cars are the best for that.. where as japanese and domestic are more for a strait line. its just because rather than tuning american and japanese cars, european manufatures make the best out of the car they can factory, so they're as best they can be off the line, not much modding necessary to get best performance
yeah but who really can afford a Lambo or Ferrari ? I'd rather buy a car I can afford and then do my own mods to it. Makes you feel good when you can take a $10,000-$20,000 car with a few mods and destroy a $100,000 car. You should try it sometime. lol
@sa1911a1 I agree I bought a 00 Audi S4 and did lots of mods to it, Including bigger turbos and a stage 3 computer. Car is a sleeper and Ive only got a total of 22 invested!!! And she will rip the top off cars that cost wayy more!!!
is there anyone on youtube that can appreciate that the yank and jap cars each have pro's and con's or is it just kids bitchin about whos dads or mates have the best cars? how the hell can you people compare something with more cylinders and a much bigger cc?! its like comparing a 50cc scooter to a superbike.
well no shit the ss will win in a straight line, that's what they're built for and that's what they do really well. id pick the skyline over the ss any day though. i prefer curvy roads not straight ones.
haha i guess. i prefer corners myself. but what ever floats your boat. as long as you don't rice out your muscle and make it look like it came out of fast and furious im cool with it. (:
Here's my take on things, people buy ricers because they're extremely cheap and are easy zip-around cars for the price, plus if you break it, so what you're out how many hundred?
When people get a little more money they enter the muscle tier (yes, its a higher level of performance, argue all you want, it wont change the fact) most tuner guys tell me "if i had the money for muscle id take it in a heartbeat" Its just the tuner guys that get all up their own ass that are annoying lol
You know i would have almost believed you IF, tuners cost the same or more than muscle. I MIGHT have believed you IF, tuner aftermarket parts weren't more costly than american parts. Thats FACT! Now there are cars out there that respon better to parts, but believe american parts are cheaper and so are the cars. That is if you live in the U.S.
I was talking about the kids that take their grandma's Honda, strip the paint and add a cold air intake and call it a race car, LOL, being versusthe guy who buys an 02' Trans Am or somethin, as for the big name tuner stuff like real Nismo racing stuff and not just cheapo intakes on 80s Hondas then yeah it gets pretty costly but that can come to be expected from all performance parts...modern muscle is much better about mod pricing but modding those 60s and 70s cars is expensive as hell
camaro will always win because its a american car and it has more horsepower now if it was off road evo or skyline would win 4 wheel drive but less horsepower
Camaros and mustangs are cheap.... so they're gonna have more redneck fans. GET USED TO IT. The more refined folks will always appreciate the more notable cars made by these "import" companies. It really doesn't matter which ones are faster - imports aren't the disposables anymore -- they're the ones that'll still be around 10+ years from now (unless they get tree-wrapped). My second Camaro is an abortion of engineering. It's a 97 Z28 and ownership is just too costly! In short, it's a turd.
So why the past tense "ran" ? Kinda implies it's over. My '90 and '95 Nissans STILL run no problems. however my '97 Z28 -- lots of problems in the last few years. All normal crap though just real expensive to own -- as I said before.
EXACTLY, so you're really not qualified to speak on the longevity of this car because -- you got rid of the turd. I guess the next lucky owner was left holding the bag of crap, RIGHT? Hey, I think it's great you got rid of it before you got stung. You got a couple of years of fun -- super. Consider yourself lucky. Of course you still had the HUGE depreciation working against you, but thats kinda common with GM. Peace.
In all reality, Danlzip, the vast majority of import owners that you see at the drag strip enter the sport compact scene because the cars are incredibly cheap to first get into. The high costs only come into play when you gotta do extensive work just to make it a 12 second car. I love Subaru WRX's and want to own one, but I'm a drag racer, so I'll take a Camaro SS over that any day on the basis of consistency & reliability alone. Can't go rounds if you're always breaking shit.
and when I say Camaro SS, I should specify that I'm talking about the LS1 Camaro. I like the engineering in the 98-02. Can't really speak for the LT1 Camaros of the 90's.
@vfIskullangel Maybe a GTS or GTT trim but the R34 GT-R does mid to low 13s in the 1/4. The best you can get out of a bone stock LT1 Camaro SS is a low 14. LT1s are slow as shit and handle a lot worse than R34 GT-Rs do.
Are you on CRACK? A Skyline costs so much to import into the United States. Let alone that it is already expensive to begin with.
And a stock R32? I don't think so.
A stock LT4 Motor puts out around 330 at max. The highest level R32 (The GT-R) puts out a max of 276 and thats with a Twin Turbo system. And in this race, the horsepower played a huge factor.
So yes an Lt4 camaro would take that car stock for stock.
um a gtr costs about 10-15k. i know I was looking at buying one. the gtr is drastically underated due to a gentlemans agreement. it actually puts out about 320-330 stock. plus there is a little manual boost restriction. pull the tab out and your looking at around 350 hp, stock. plus it's awd and lighter. there is no possible way stock to stock the camaro can win. sure the camaro is a great car and capable of huge numbers but the rb26dett is much more advance
ya no... thats stock. the engine is capable of over 600 on completely stock internals. it was built for track racing in which you don't just see how high of hp u can get cause that leaves you f'ed in the wrong class
the skyline also doesn't need 20 grand to do it. mustangs are pieces of shit. at least camaros look and perform well. how the hell is it drag envy? pretty much the fastest streetable car out there is the supra. how bout this one, 13,900
Cobras actually are the fastest streetable car. Like I said, 1000rwhp on stock internals. Probably higher than that.
20 grand? A Foxbody Mustangs can go 10's woth slicks and nitrous for a little under 3k. An LS1 Camaro can do 11's for around 2500-3000.
Face it, imports should stick to Drifting and Touge while Muscle Cars should stick to drag racing. (Well there are a alot of American cars that are good fro track racing too).
Oh and ummmm I live in America, not Canada. A Skyline would cost ALOT more here. I don't even know if you can drive one from Canada into the U.S. but then the DMV would be all over your ass because R33s and R32s are illegal.
the thing is look at the huge price difference in the 2 cars. i would take the camaro and put the at least 30k price differnce in the car and be untouchable
yea ur right BUT how many skylines do u see? the camero is a nice car but there like 10 NEW cameros and no newer (R35,R34) skylines (that ive seen) in this city
the skyline will be worth alot more that the camaro in the future due to how rare it is. but if you want to make a racer with over 1000hp. the camaro wiil be a much better choice.
Lol wouldnt matter if the skyline got off the line faster.. who says it didnt, soon as you hear those V8 cubes scream its bye bye , Lol at civic, couldnt drag a greazy stick out of a dogs ass
sorry to break ur bubbles tuner fans but it all started by muscle cars, no wait hot rods in the 40's driftin around dirt tracks. so get ur shit together and stop sayin that tuners are the greatest there not. im 15 and i know moer shit on cars then u so STFU!! muslce all the way.
anyone see the new nissan gtr get owned by the zr1 corvette it was a beautiful thing it even got beat on the TURNS which u ricers always talk so much shit about, i know there are fast imports out there but u cant say muscle goes in a straight line only there are plenty of muscle cars that are drift champs and if you can get 1200 hp out of a supra or skyline spend as much as u did on those on a v8 guarantee u will get more hp
LoL @ reptone15. he dont know what he is talking about. Face the truth man Muscle cars is > Imports. Slap a turbo or twin turbo on a Muscle car its game over man. I love how import try to stick up for there piece of shit when there is a video that just showed who is better. Which is muscle. now GTFO.
Big deal, V8's produce 8500hp in top fuel and run under 4 sec quarters. And yes import fans, thats with pushrod V8's. No RB26 or 2JZ makes anywhere near that. SO in end game, Cubes wins (as the video shows) and imports are for fags :) cheers
fuck you you know that skyline should have won, that pussy ass drivers sucks get a real driver behind the wheel of that skyline. imports have Way more potential than any domestic car. domestics come fast imports are made fast . besides everyone knows that muscle cars suck
nah not yet just got it two weeks ago had a LS vtec CRX before that traded + 2k for the GSX miss the crx but in love with awd now. already planning on getting a STi wrx or evo next maybe VR4 or stealth R/T. beating a corvette from a dig was wat sold me on awd. u should check out my other vids of me n my friends just fucking around lol
that dude driving the nissan was'nt even race shifting at all, or he had no boost on the motor. if he did he would have wiped the floor with the piece o shit camaro.
I will agree. What is the suspension like on those? I've been told handeling is lacking but I wouldn't know. I'm not too big a fan of Corvettes. I like the color and company but the original looks better to me.
LordKrieg1.Your 0 key seems to be sticking.Those small displacement engines cant handle boost and charge like a V8.If a 4 or 6 cylinder engine is modified to make 800HP it is short lived.Those old American V8s are used in drag cars making 5000HP.0-100mph in one second!!!! I guess you ricers dont realize American muscle has evolved.
2JZ and RB26 can handle 1200hp on stock blocks. There are countless YouTube videos to prove it. I love how people have such huge problems beleiving anything but Camaro's and Mustang's can handle horsepower.
Guess you muscle heads don't realize you don't need 8 cylinders to make over 1000hp.
TGASN.Learn to read.I said DRAG CARS.Everyday drivers arent the subject. 1200HP Skylines arent everyday drivers either.Your missing the point. 5000HP is the extreme end.
Yes i get the point, and i read clearly that you said 'DRAG CARS".. Waht i'm trying to say is i have seen many 800hp skylines that can run everyday on the street but you just gotta live with the huge expenses on maintaining them... the point is you can daily drive an 800hp car but 1200hp and up.. haven't seen one yet.. cheers...
Shitmaro would also be caught in a ditch against an R34.
That's why Muscle always like to beat on R32's.
TheLivingDead1013 4 months ago in playlist Camaro VS ...
the difference between these two cars is the "ONE" turns! shitmaro will be caught in a ditch while godzilla awd grips that bitch.
krzfly 6 months ago
nice but dont forget, racing in a straight line doesnt prove that the car is better in any way. Americans got that part down quite well but leave the tunning and track time usage to the europeans and japanese.
fukwaynecampaign2 7 months ago
like better the camaro!
80v8camaro 1 year ago
And speaking of cornering, go ahead and ask anyone who actually races - be it drag racing, oval track, road course, etc. what handles turns better with power: FWD or RWD. A 1000HP CRX would be a death trap on anything but a straight line (which is pretty ironic)
Psychlonic 1 year ago
@Psychlonic Some very good points you have there, not many people seem to understand that a car can be too light! As far as cornering let me just ask one question. What car won the 2010 Formula D Championship? As far as the price of tuning hondas are cheaper to get into the 10-11 secc range. start getting any faster than that and the V8's are the obvious choice.
ruthlessone3k 1 year ago
Of course, it's perfectly possible to make a Honda crush Novas in the 7 second realm, but it's going to cost a shit ton of time and effort. You say it's cheaper to tune an i4, when really it's the other way around from what I've seen. I've seen people throw new cranks, pistons, headers, turbo... all kinds of expensive shit on their Hondas and still come out under 350HP. WHY??? And for all the owners that say they can corner better, I have yet to actually see it proven.
Psychlonic 1 year ago
@Psychlonic
...I have never in my life seen a street legal Honda car run less than 10 seconds.
WunderDoob 10 months ago 2
I'm not a big Mustang fan, but I think you're forgetting that there are more factors to consider than just horsepower. For one, V8s produce more torque per HP almost invariably. Second, rear-wheel drive cars are proven to launch better (source: any competitive NHRA racer). Third, Mustangs can be dropped down to the same optimal weight as a CRX. There IS such a thing as too light, and Mustangs can reach the sweet spot. Two cars, same weight, one with better torque and RWD. The Mustang wins.
Psychlonic 1 year ago
@Psychlonic awd maybe slower then rwd launching stock... modified awd will always launch better... its because stock awd get to much traction for the stock clutch and it gets overwhelmed and bogs... if you can get your awd to spin a little bit to overcome the traction issue then you have a rocket fast car...
Tj1056 6 months ago
You might as well give up the video speaks for itself. rwd v8 wins, awd turbo I6 lost
ruthlessone3k 1 year ago
Realistically, 1000HP is the limit even for the most hardcore street driver. So you can either strain the everloving hell out of a 6 cylinder to reach that and go broke, or you can just build up a good V8 that will be reliable and not require every single trick. Normally aspirated big blocks can reach that, as can supercharged small blocks for under 10k. "But teh weight!" It's called weight distribution, which is far more important than overall weight when it comes to handling.
Psychlonic 1 year ago
i dont know if u guys realized but Jap cars absolutely have to have tons of boost to even compete with N/A muscle, evo, gtr,skyline, wrx, to name a few, in which none can remotly carry a light for a stock Z-06,
skillz1855 1 year ago
@skillz1855
I think the real story is that you can get plenty of HP out of a 6 cylinder or even a 4, but the more you drop cylinders, the more money, time, and effort you will need to put into it. It's not marginal, we're talking thousands upon thousands of extra dollars to match 1000HP V8s which can be done for far cheaper. The best Jap 6 cylinders I've seen will reach around 1500HP, which can be done far easier with a V8, which can still go higher. Then there's torque, which everyone forgets
Psychlonic 1 year ago
@Psychlonic it may be easier to get a v8 to 1000hp, but most i4s weigh half as much as a v8. so a 1000 hp crx or 240 would eat a 1000 hp mustang. point is, its much cheaper to tune a i4.
arcticmonkey487 1 year ago
LT4 win!!!!!!!!!
blazzing4321 1 year ago
To elaborate, a STOCK 1969 (think about how old that is) Charger R/T will dyno at over 500 horsepower. Now, do you think someone who took the time and money to polish up that body just left the motor stock, or do you think they bolted on and ported/polished the latest goodies to make it even faster? Just saying...
Psychlonic 1 year ago
For people saying muscle, guys... An F-body Camaro is not a muscle car... It is a mid-level sportscar/pony car by Chevrolet. The last Chevy muscle car was the Chevelle SS. This goes for import fans, too. Just because something has a V8 in it does not mean it's "muscle", it means it had a V8 in it unless it's a 60-70s 2-door mid-size, in which case you should REALLY not even try to race it because it will smash you.
Psychlonic 1 year ago
@Psychlonic ur an idiot the camaro is a muscle car
gforce91 1 year ago
@gforce91
You don't even know what muscle car means, then. Look it up before trying to sound smart. The Chevelle was GM's muscle car. Camaro is a pony car. I know you have know idea what "pony car" means but you should look that up, too. Email GM themselves if you're still confused afterwards, or any muscle car association and ask about joining with a Camaro.
Psychlonic 1 year ago
@79135ef9 someones hurt cuz their dream car just got beat.
TKO5oh 1 year ago
You CANNOT beat American Muscle..Sorry..
DocWoods22 1 year ago
@DocWoods22 o really now?? i beg to differ
DMAC520X 1 year ago
@DocWoods22 yeah true true but not all muscle cars are better
filipinoskater24 1 year ago
@DocWoods22 What a joke.
EnjoiNISMOs13 1 year ago
v8 vs. in-line 6 turbo...the v8's going to take it...even with a lousy driver.
dvsxavier 1 year ago
skyline stok never killed to camaro stok modified but camaro modified and skyline modified mayve
beto9500 1 year ago
@beto9500 <------ WTF did they just say ?
sa1911a1 1 year ago 23
@beto9500 que?
vfIskullangel 1 year ago
@beto9500 trippin!!
byronbja 1 year ago
im gettin into the european cars now. i want something that people dismiss as an ordinary car then it blows the doors off their car. like an audi rs4 wagon. im never buying new again. i will import. way cooler cars for way less money.
07SuperchargedSS 1 year ago
shit talk out of the ricers mouth=lame... the look on the same ricers girfriends face when her man gets his ass handed to him by a camaro= priceless
JPARKERZ28 1 year ago
my trans am wud smoke both of them
theebestever 1 year ago
@theebestever maybe so, lets see a video man....
sa1911a1 1 year ago 6
@theebestever no one cares
EnjoiNISMOs13 1 year ago
@EnjoiNISMOs13 fuck you you probably have a little dick haha nismo sucks ass you puss
theebestever 1 year ago
it looks like the skyline driver had some issues,most people suck at driving right hand drive cars,i know i had a jdm silvia before and it's not the same,my first 240sx had a rb25det not twin turbo power but a single,i was never smoked by any car on the street,pushing more than 380 hp 400fp torq out of a little 240 i never lost ,by the way i now drive a convertable 240sx with an ls1 with 300hp so im not hating on demestic,4dr cars stay home with the family
DemiGodEmpire 1 year ago
So a stock untuned R32, against a top of the line camaro, and not enough of a straight line lead to win around a substantial road race track?
beefer86 1 year ago
HELL YEAH CHEVY IS BETTER!!!
josem78744 1 year ago
Sagaris
Paldromanium 1 year ago
This model GTR was a killer in its day in the Australian touring car championship were it raced only Holden's and Fords V8s
This car won most of the races it was in then they outlawed the GTR from racing in the Australian touring car champs because "quote- Its not a v8
Hence why they changed the name to "V8 supercars" championships... GTR's were the V8'z worst nightmares in its days... So much respect
Tat2b 2 years ago 3
@Tat2b gtr wasnt banned becuase " quote- Its not aq v8!
FCCOOL 2 years ago
@Tat2b well a I6 is a V8 biggest rival Not to mention it was racing a holden and a ford thats like little competition plus a V8 is a lot heavier and give too much front end weight punishing cornering speed and weight distribution with added traction issues cuz of too much TQ and not to mention they operate at a lower RPM and gear selection. So the R34 had the upper hand with AWD, I6TT,close gear ratio,REV happy engine,near 50/50 weight, and lighter car
Mpower330csl 2 years ago
@Mpower330csl I really do hate to big up yank tanks, really i do, but unfortunately a chevy ls series v8 is actually lighter than a nissan rb series engine. God it hurt to say that!! Even so, i'd take an R32,3,4, or 35 over a camaro any day!
rastclart 1 year ago
@rastclart really? actually Ill almost take any classic camaro over a R32 or R34 maybe not a R34 cuz i really love that body style. And def. ill pass the R35 i fucken hate that car Ill def choose a classic camaro over a R35
Mpower330csl 1 year ago
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thc3636 1 year ago
thats fucking funny.. asian penis are jus like there engines.. small and dont put out....
MrTjc14 2 years ago 2
ya, well two camels in a tiny car
OilersFan2354 2 years ago
LOL
Saysasitis 2 years ago
@MrTjc14 just like american pussy.they are big and put out a lot.
211Alucard 2 years ago
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@MrTjc14 LOL thats funny thats why Jap. design there engine that can Rev high. Cuz they need to stroke faster to make up for the size, just watch jap porn and yull understand LOL one normal stroke for american=3 quick ones for Japs.
thats fucking funny.. asian penis are jus like there engines.. small and dont put out....
Mpower330csl 2 years ago
this is why asians have tiny penis
mellenjuice 2 years ago
not a GTR. there are skylines out there that a chevy cobalt could beat. it all depends on the model.
zeroflat24 2 years ago
ok comparing domestic cars and imports is fukn stupid its like comparing futbol and american football you cant compare the to 2 diff sports same with the cars there built to do diff things ya in a straight line muscle most of the time will own a import on a track the import will smash on the muscle car and the reason ppl here build there hondas and nissans to b really fast cuz every one out here in america races in a straight line and not at a track
egjdmb18c5 2 years ago
wow dunno where you live here in America but we do race in straight lines as well as road courses all the time. Another thing, The Domestics put a hurting on the imports at the road courses. The Domestics don't win all the time but they do win a lot. You should check it out sometime.
sa1911a1 2 years ago
@egjdmb18c5
Ever heard of a ZR1 Vette? Perhaps the Viper ACR?
kickwagon 2 years ago
sti, evo, supra, rx7, even gsx eclipse, domestic cars arent really great for road courses, it actually seems like european cars are the best for that.. where as japanese and domestic are more for a strait line. its just because rather than tuning american and japanese cars, european manufatures make the best out of the car they can factory, so they're as best they can be off the line, not much modding necessary to get best performance
erichockey3 2 years ago
yeah but who really can afford a Lambo or Ferrari ? I'd rather buy a car I can afford and then do my own mods to it. Makes you feel good when you can take a $10,000-$20,000 car with a few mods and destroy a $100,000 car. You should try it sometime. lol
sa1911a1 2 years ago 4
@sa1911a1 I agree I bought a 00 Audi S4 and did lots of mods to it, Including bigger turbos and a stage 3 computer. Car is a sleeper and Ive only got a total of 22 invested!!! And she will rip the top off cars that cost wayy more!!!
dirtydirty505 1 year ago
@erichockey3 NO other person could of said it better u had to be a eric gotta love euro cars
Mpower330csl 2 years ago
that wasn't even a modded skyline...
krzyflip209 2 years ago 2
skylines are much faster than that lol..
krzyflip209 2 years ago
Muscle 1 Rice 0
MrCalebAlexander 2 years ago 2
skylines r cool, but i love the camaro ss as well, that skyline got raped, American Me style, bag o rice an all, lmfao!!!!
elw619 2 years ago 3
thats not a GT_R
HONDATA24 2 years ago
lol whoever drove that skyline sucks and didn't tune it right
SKYLINES ARE THE BEST AND ALL WAYS WILL BE
krzyflip209 2 years ago
Geo metro > ur skyline
magickownage 2 years ago
Too bad a camaro beat it ;)
xtrustmeimaliar 2 years ago 3
@krzyflip209
Tell that to a Supra, or this Camaro. :D
kickwagon 2 years ago
is there anyone on youtube that can appreciate that the yank and jap cars each have pro's and con's or is it just kids bitchin about whos dads or mates have the best cars? how the hell can you people compare something with more cylinders and a much bigger cc?! its like comparing a 50cc scooter to a superbike.
justinspiller 2 years ago 3
well the 50cc scooter shouldn't be made to RACE
cozzey05 2 years ago
well no shit the ss will win in a straight line, that's what they're built for and that's what they do really well. id pick the skyline over the ss any day though. i prefer curvy roads not straight ones.
jakep2007 2 years ago
It's always fun to stomp ricers from stoplights though >=)
Gunslinger145 2 years ago
haha i guess. i prefer corners myself. but what ever floats your boat. as long as you don't rice out your muscle and make it look like it came out of fast and furious im cool with it. (:
jakep2007 2 years ago
Here's my take on things, people buy ricers because they're extremely cheap and are easy zip-around cars for the price, plus if you break it, so what you're out how many hundred?
When people get a little more money they enter the muscle tier (yes, its a higher level of performance, argue all you want, it wont change the fact) most tuner guys tell me "if i had the money for muscle id take it in a heartbeat" Its just the tuner guys that get all up their own ass that are annoying lol
Ratmouth66 2 years ago 3
You know i would have almost believed you IF, tuners cost the same or more than muscle. I MIGHT have believed you IF, tuner aftermarket parts weren't more costly than american parts. Thats FACT! Now there are cars out there that respon better to parts, but believe american parts are cheaper and so are the cars. That is if you live in the U.S.
Texarmageddon 2 years ago
I was talking about the kids that take their grandma's Honda, strip the paint and add a cold air intake and call it a race car, LOL, being versusthe guy who buys an 02' Trans Am or somethin, as for the big name tuner stuff like real Nismo racing stuff and not just cheapo intakes on 80s Hondas then yeah it gets pretty costly but that can come to be expected from all performance parts...modern muscle is much better about mod pricing but modding those 60s and 70s cars is expensive as hell
Ratmouth66 2 years ago
CAMARO WINS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Warzel258 2 years ago
camaro will always win because its a american car and it has more horsepower now if it was off road evo or skyline would win 4 wheel drive but less horsepower
korpiscousin 2 years ago
dude loose the mullet.
Danlzip 2 years ago
Camaros and mustangs are cheap.... so they're gonna have more redneck fans. GET USED TO IT. The more refined folks will always appreciate the more notable cars made by these "import" companies. It really doesn't matter which ones are faster - imports aren't the disposables anymore -- they're the ones that'll still be around 10+ years from now (unless they get tree-wrapped). My second Camaro is an abortion of engineering. It's a 97 Z28 and ownership is just too costly! In short, it's a turd.
Danlzip 2 years ago
My 98 LS1 TA ran like a champ. I never once had a problem with it.
Blacklung27 2 years ago 3
So why the past tense "ran" ? Kinda implies it's over. My '90 and '95 Nissans STILL run no problems. however my '97 Z28 -- lots of problems in the last few years. All normal crap though just real expensive to own -- as I said before.
Danlzip 2 years ago
I say ran because I traded it in about 2 years ago for a new truck.
Blacklung27 2 years ago
EXACTLY, so you're really not qualified to speak on the longevity of this car because -- you got rid of the turd. I guess the next lucky owner was left holding the bag of crap, RIGHT? Hey, I think it's great you got rid of it before you got stung. You got a couple of years of fun -- super. Consider yourself lucky. Of course you still had the HUGE depreciation working against you, but thats kinda common with GM. Peace.
Danlzip 2 years ago
Exactly the son of the dealership owner has it down at the drag strip every weekend. Still running like a champ.
Blacklung27 2 years ago 3
The only problem i have with my LS1 is replacing tires. I guess if I had a civic it wouldnt be an issue but oh well
cozzey05 2 years ago
hahaha! You know I have that same problem with my new car.
Blacklung27 2 years ago
haha
justinspiller 2 years ago
In all reality, Danlzip, the vast majority of import owners that you see at the drag strip enter the sport compact scene because the cars are incredibly cheap to first get into. The high costs only come into play when you gotta do extensive work just to make it a 12 second car. I love Subaru WRX's and want to own one, but I'm a drag racer, so I'll take a Camaro SS over that any day on the basis of consistency & reliability alone. Can't go rounds if you're always breaking shit.
motorheadtr3 2 years ago 2
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motorheadtr3 2 years ago
and when I say Camaro SS, I should specify that I'm talking about the LS1 Camaro. I like the engineering in the 98-02. Can't really speak for the LT1 Camaros of the 90's.
motorheadtr3 2 years ago
that camaro fucked your jap shit up
joshblacker1 2 years ago
man jap can beat that little tiny toy in to piece
ViEtxHuE2 2 years ago
no surprise there...
catphish454 2 years ago 3
yea its only common sense and r32 would loose. now if it was an r34 it would be the other way around.
DRkid908 2 years ago
not really. An LT4 F-body is still faster than a R34.
sa1911a1 2 years ago 11
@sa1911a1 Even a stock LT1 is faster than a Skyline R34.
vfIskullangel 1 year ago
@vfIskullangel Maybe a GTS or GTT trim but the R34 GT-R does mid to low 13s in the 1/4. The best you can get out of a bone stock LT1 Camaro SS is a low 14. LT1s are slow as shit and handle a lot worse than R34 GT-Rs do.
kageryu311 1 year ago
@kageryu311 Stock LT1 vette run's high 13's with a good driver. Stock LT1 Camaro's couldn't run 13's without a set of drag slicks.
vfIskullangel 1 year ago
Wow that Skyline is way more expensive than that Camaro and it got its ass whooped.
xZZxTakedown 2 years ago
that skyline costs less dipshit and stock to stock takes the camaro any day... but no biggie. the more modded of these two won. no suprise
OilersFan2354 2 years ago
Are you on CRACK? A Skyline costs so much to import into the United States. Let alone that it is already expensive to begin with.
And a stock R32? I don't think so.
A stock LT4 Motor puts out around 330 at max. The highest level R32 (The GT-R) puts out a max of 276 and thats with a Twin Turbo system. And in this race, the horsepower played a huge factor.
So yes an Lt4 camaro would take that car stock for stock.
xZZxTakedown 2 years ago
what are you talking about? its an r32, you can find those for literally 2000$
erichockey3 2 years ago
Where? Those are illegal in the US and you have to import them for a large sum of money.
xZZxTakedown 2 years ago
um a gtr costs about 10-15k. i know I was looking at buying one. the gtr is drastically underated due to a gentlemans agreement. it actually puts out about 320-330 stock. plus there is a little manual boost restriction. pull the tab out and your looking at around 350 hp, stock. plus it's awd and lighter. there is no possible way stock to stock the camaro can win. sure the camaro is a great car and capable of huge numbers but the rb26dett is much more advance
OilersFan2354 2 years ago
Wow 350 with a Twin Turbo............lol
Thats sad. And where in the hell are you finding a GT-R costing around 10-15K? I don't believe that one bit.
xZZxTakedown 2 years ago
ya no... thats stock. the engine is capable of over 600 on completely stock internals. it was built for track racing in which you don't just see how high of hp u can get cause that leaves you f'ed in the wrong class
OilersFan2354 2 years ago
I know its stock. An 03/04 Cobra is capable of over 1000rwhp horsepower on stock internals.
And you would go to turns because you import people have drag envy ;)
Fact is, LT4 smoked the RB26 fair and square.
Btw, where in the hell can you find a Skyline for 10-15K? I'm still waiting.
xZZxTakedown 2 years ago
the skyline also doesn't need 20 grand to do it. mustangs are pieces of shit. at least camaros look and perform well. how the hell is it drag envy? pretty much the fastest streetable car out there is the supra. how bout this one, 13,900
OilersFan2354 2 years ago
youtube wont let me post the link. go on craigslist... theyre everywhere
OilersFan2354 2 years ago
Btw thanks for showing me that site, I'm finding some good deals on Camaros lol
xZZxTakedown 2 years ago
Cobras actually are the fastest streetable car. Like I said, 1000rwhp on stock internals. Probably higher than that.
20 grand? A Foxbody Mustangs can go 10's woth slicks and nitrous for a little under 3k. An LS1 Camaro can do 11's for around 2500-3000.
Face it, imports should stick to Drifting and Touge while Muscle Cars should stick to drag racing. (Well there are a alot of American cars that are good fro track racing too).
xZZxTakedown 2 years ago
np lol. supras can run 7s with a streetable car. they're both damn fast
OilersFan2354 2 years ago
All I can say is the fastest street legal car is Chevy powered buddy ;) lol
xZZxTakedown 2 years ago
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OilersFan2354 2 years ago
Oh and ummmm I live in America, not Canada. A Skyline would cost ALOT more here. I don't even know if you can drive one from Canada into the U.S. but then the DMV would be all over your ass because R33s and R32s are illegal.
xZZxTakedown 2 years ago
welcome to america
blubyuchevy 2 years ago
put as much money into the camaro as you would in the skyline.
camaro still sounds better :)
bluovlh8er 2 years ago
lets see a 2010 skyline gtr vs a 2010 camaro ss
akeeping4 2 years ago
There is no 2010 Skyline.
PijnigeR 2 years ago
yea there is i dont see why they would drop the name but the r35 skyline gtr in shown on nissan own dealer site
akeeping4 2 years ago
the thing is look at the huge price difference in the 2 cars. i would take the camaro and put the at least 30k price differnce in the car and be untouchable
SAtownZ28 2 years ago
yea ur right BUT how many skylines do u see? the camero is a nice car but there like 10 NEW cameros and no newer (R35,R34) skylines (that ive seen) in this city
akeeping4 2 years ago
the skyline will be worth alot more that the camaro in the future due to how rare it is. but if you want to make a racer with over 1000hp. the camaro wiil be a much better choice.
SAtownZ28 2 years ago 2
ya can do that with a skyline as well it will cost u more but u get 4wd and the rare car either way IF you know what ur doing both are sweet rides
akeeping4 2 years ago
are you on crack? that skyline costs about 10k not 50
OilersFan2354 2 years ago
Check that shit again ...it says 2010 GT-R and 2010 GT-R only.
At9ra 2 years ago
ya i kno i said "i dont know why they would drop the name" and fyi alot of people refer the R35 GT-R as a skyline same as the mx5 and the name miata
akeeping4 2 years ago
Lol wouldnt matter if the skyline got off the line faster.. who says it didnt, soon as you hear those V8 cubes scream its bye bye , Lol at civic, couldnt drag a greazy stick out of a dogs ass
Bllasphemy 2 years ago
Whoever was drivin that skyline don't know how to handle it becuase syylines get off the line quicker then that
estevan40 2 years ago
Badass in a straight line, put that shit in a track. With right and left hand turns.
dalmx71 2 years ago
LOL wat would be funny is dat out of nowhere a civic passes the camaro:)
duhabcdef 2 years ago
haha a civic yeah right...like if that will ever happen
chevystud88 2 years ago
unfortunatly i think this is an rb20 skyline
msively 2 years ago
why cant all import fans see that the more cylinders a car has under the hood, the more power and the faster it will go.
yes you can put 1500hp under a 6-cylinder, but you can easily put just as much under a v8 and still have room for 1000+ hp.
oh btw i like both muscle and import.
my favs are the zr1vette and Fd rx7 :D
fifaplayer10 2 years ago
very true but no one seems to get that, theres a reason theres no 4cylinder or 6 in top fuel, v8 is just more powerful
End0fTheLine 2 years ago
sorry to break ur bubbles tuner fans but it all started by muscle cars, no wait hot rods in the 40's driftin around dirt tracks. so get ur shit together and stop sayin that tuners are the greatest there not. im 15 and i know moer shit on cars then u so STFU!! muslce all the way.
beastyshit 2 years ago 2
Hell yea, your on the right track.
V8's will always be the best
Bllasphemy 2 years ago
hehe im a rotary head but i do love V8's. honestly if i could get my hands on a miata i would pop a V8 in there lol. monster miata's ftw buddeh lol
RyanShelton63366 2 years ago 3
could it even fit in there? lol
swlilbior112 2 years ago
surprisingly yes lol. google it/youtube it. they are scary fast.
RyanShelton63366 2 years ago
anyone see the new nissan gtr get owned by the zr1 corvette it was a beautiful thing it even got beat on the TURNS which u ricers always talk so much shit about, i know there are fast imports out there but u cant say muscle goes in a straight line only there are plenty of muscle cars that are drift champs and if you can get 1200 hp out of a supra or skyline spend as much as u did on those on a v8 guarantee u will get more hp
sjh200765 2 years ago
i love see V8 n/a smoking turbo jap cars,,
jajajaja
gueropalma1990 2 years ago 5
LoL @ reptone15. he dont know what he is talking about. Face the truth man Muscle cars is > Imports. Slap a turbo or twin turbo on a Muscle car its game over man. I love how import try to stick up for there piece of shit when there is a video that just showed who is better. Which is muscle. now GTFO.
Turbonos23 2 years ago
both are fast cars, just depends on the driver, but camaro ss does low 13s stock and that skyline does mid 13s stock
lotus240s 2 years ago
Cheers DXA, Look at these import fanboi's OHH 800hp , 1200hp !!
Big deal, V8's produce 8500hp in top fuel and run under 4 sec quarters. And yes import fans, thats with pushrod V8's. No RB26 or 2JZ makes anywhere near that. SO in end game, Cubes wins (as the video shows) and imports are for fags :) cheers
Bllasphemy 2 years ago 2
fuck you you know that skyline should have won, that pussy ass drivers sucks get a real driver behind the wheel of that skyline. imports have Way more potential than any domestic car. domestics come fast imports are made fast . besides everyone knows that muscle cars suck
reptone15 2 years ago
i dont care wether its muscle or import as long as its fast and for every fast import theres a fast domestic yall are retarded
VTEC4LYFEGunny 2 years ago 3
what do you drive?
gbrillo619 2 years ago
american muscle beats import every time
ssjblind 2 years ago 3
lol ive beat many a mustang gt or Z28 in my eclipse GSX just keep thinking that dude
VTEC4LYFEGunny 2 years ago
hell yeah go GSX! my friend got a gsx. fast as fuckkk. u got an vids of ure gsx?
RyanShelton63366 2 years ago
nah not yet just got it two weeks ago had a LS vtec CRX before that traded + 2k for the GSX miss the crx but in love with awd now. already planning on getting a STi wrx or evo next maybe VR4 or stealth R/T. beating a corvette from a dig was wat sold me on awd. u should check out my other vids of me n my friends just fucking around lol
VTEC4LYFEGunny 2 years ago
you should get a wrx sti. powns like a fuckeR!
PivotMurdaBaller 2 years ago
actually i do have a short clip but it was back when my friend owned it its should be the DSM eclipse and Supra messing around
VTEC4LYFEGunny 2 years ago
whatever nigga...
Caficherprice 2 years ago
Yep...Yep...
lendada13 2 years ago
that dude driving the nissan was'nt even race shifting at all, or he had no boost on the motor. if he did he would have wiped the floor with the piece o shit camaro.
funyunchipsrock 2 years ago
lol ugly camaro... but good race!
Jcashrulez 2 years ago
I will agree. What is the suspension like on those? I've been told handeling is lacking but I wouldn't know. I'm not too big a fan of Corvettes. I like the color and company but the original looks better to me.
cupthebeak 2 years ago
Now that you have seen this look up SkyLine R34 800hp vs Modified Camaro with NOS and see which one is better.
cupthebeak 2 years ago
800hp skyline. A modified camaro with nos isn't enough. A modified c6 Z06 with nos is more than enough.
tinmontin 2 years ago 3
you can get waaaaaaay more than 800hp out of a v8. 43 v8's with over 800hp turn left all day every sunday
savagexhaley14 2 years ago
you can get waaaaaaay more than 800hp out of a Skyline too. The average seems to be around 1200hp.
LordKrieg1 2 years ago
LordKrieg1.Your 0 key seems to be sticking.Those small displacement engines cant handle boost and charge like a V8.If a 4 or 6 cylinder engine is modified to make 800HP it is short lived.Those old American V8s are used in drag cars making 5000HP.0-100mph in one second!!!! I guess you ricers dont realize American muscle has evolved.
DXAQSHUNR 2 years ago
2JZ and RB26 can handle 1200hp on stock blocks. There are countless YouTube videos to prove it. I love how people have such huge problems beleiving anything but Camaro's and Mustang's can handle horsepower.
Guess you muscle heads don't realize you don't need 8 cylinders to make over 1000hp.
LordKrieg1 2 years ago
And where did you see v8's with 5000 hp that you can use everyday?
TGASN 2 years ago
TGASN.Learn to read.I said DRAG CARS.Everyday drivers arent the subject. 1200HP Skylines arent everyday drivers either.Your missing the point. 5000HP is the extreme end.
DXAQSHUNR 2 years ago
Yes i get the point, and i read clearly that you said 'DRAG CARS".. Waht i'm trying to say is i have seen many 800hp skylines that can run everyday on the street but you just gotta live with the huge expenses on maintaining them... the point is you can daily drive an 800hp car but 1200hp and up.. haven't seen one yet.. cheers...
TGASN 2 years ago
American Muscle always beats import
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