@recievedmails certian countries (not giving specifics) are no different... its just that the american government cant be trusted. in other governments, you know that if this is what you do, this is your punishment.
@recievedmails waterboarding is awful, and I don't condone it for any reason...but three-quarters of the world uses techniques that are just as bad, or worse. Read up on it - I have.
LOL first of all, that's a totally different guy in the orange suit, secondly, he's lasting way too long, so it's not being done properly. they are running the video over and over again
@tkandme3 Jesus christ, you know it all don't you, the first video was a demonstration of a REAL waterboarding video, and the second one was the volunteer.
freedom and security is a pendulum that swings one way or the other.to gain both you must have extremitites of both to understand how to keep both in balance
"give me an hour, a waterboard, and [your head], and ill make u say anything'
Won't even last an hour. if done properly it will be over in seconds. Information extracted? ANYTHING- aka bullshit. Reliability of information extracted? zip! none! So what was the worth of the action? none! zip!
THIS is the vid they showed on TV back when the waterboarding debate was going on. The media made us think it was an actual vid of a real terrorist being waterboarded.
wait a minute what do you do when ur bein water boarded swallow the water??? they covered his nose and mouth right? i dont know how the hell he survived ive seen ppl that werent trained and lasted less than 10 seconds holy shit this dudes a badass i saw another one of his videos hes a former SEAL.
@papasmirf31 This isn't the real form of water boarding, watch the video of christopher hitchens being water boarded, that is the real tactic, or at least the more excruciating one.
@papasmirf31 because he has large opportunities to breath through his nose as they are mainly covering his mouth. In a real water board situation, you cant last more than 10-15 seconds with the cloth fully over your face. While I will admit, visually this seems more extreme, but logically it probably isn't as bad.
What a bunch of liberal, pussy cowards. Do you really think this type of torture can compare to that of the middle east? Does this compare to beheadings? Does this compare to rape? Does this compare to the removal of limbs? Pussy ass, back seat driving, pieces of shit. If water boarding can get information from 1 out of 1000 POW's - then good! So be it. Whatever has the potential to save lives.
@Goldiney Woudn't you say that its the quality of the informaton thats important? Using technics like this will make people say anything for the torturers to stop, even if they truly have not been envolved in the activities they have been accused of.
DAMN... they atleast could've chose like a other camo then an american camo It looks crazy. I hate the uniforms it makes us look bad even tho its a demostration. Lol They are crazy with this guy.
Hmmmm....Lets think , British /American nationals at home or abroard , civillians in Iraq/ Afghanistan and also military personell. i can tell right now your a tree hugging lentil eater. I dont care on your opinion on this.
Lynched you seem a very confused person, regulating torture, good luck. Try finding a mature way of putting your point across, because at the end of the day, all people are going to think when the see a comment full of swearing is idiot. Somebody needs to burst your bubble, so you can wake up to the reality of the world. Maybe your first point of call would be obtaining a passport and seeing some of the world.
well we could end all torture by blowing the backward assholes into oblivion Hiroshima style and end the war. Where the hell is all the balls in washington these days?there are none
its not black and white when and not when and how not how based on cicumstances
there would be certain contridictions and in questions based on outcomes prior infomation etc that would make it so furthur laws could bipass lower ones that way
the rules needs to be solid so no human error coruption and BS applys this would be one heavy legal thing to create BUT i would be worth it !!!!!
I dont care if we have to hook them up to a battery till they speak english, better them go crazy than innocent lives be lost, what if they are innoccent? tough luck, but that guy is one tough SOB respect
i think there should be tortured but just not peircing he skin, like taking a knife ad slowly stabbing them, with a heavy gag so u can't scream leg and wrist restraints ad a blindfold, with water dipping on the head once in a while, as the person waterboard him at the same time with classical music, roc music, an jazz playing at the same time, and pulling off somees fingernails very slowly but just wateboarding is ok
The problem with most of the arguments here is whether or not we should torture.... One thing we need to look at is the video....most people being Waterboarded (the right way) last maybe1 minute at most. They dont laugh afterwards even if its controlled. They're scared and shaken up.
Secondly should we torture people if we also say its wrong for other people to do it? America is not the law for the world. We do not control the world even tho our government is trying very hard to do.
The problem is that people like you and I are attempting to discuss the matter rationally.
For example, I'll posit the consequences of torturing POWs, and right around the corner, some redneck will tell me how the "ragheads" deserve it. It's pointless. These people are scum - it's impossible to converse with them. They'll never change their minds.
Agreed. Most people i talk to think its important to torture others in order to get information. OK i can kind of agree with that but when i bring up how our POW's are tortured they just say "Oh well thats wrong" Most Americans think and act like our morals are better than everyone elses. Look at our history: We basically STOLE this country. We MURDERED people to get this land....Wow yes our morals are high as hell.
America wants to run the world. Our morals are worse than anyones.
redneck? im korean. and im curious as to your source of that information @rhoffer21, i dont know how much the occurance is. but even then, should we not send anyone to jail, to avoid locking up any innocents?
I was unaware that rednecks were country-specific. Oh, they're not. You clearly have a redneck mentality, and works for me.
That being said, to actually posit "ragheads behead people...they should get tortured for shits and giggles" as an argument is beyond pathetic. People like you should just stop. Keep your retarded fucking opinions to yourselves and let others do the conversing.
While i understand what you mean as alot of violence goes on over there in Iraq and everywhere else we should not make ourselves out to be the final judge. That goes agasint everything this country was founded upon.
I agree that some countries are just fucked up. They've been that way for 1000's of years and nothing is going to change their ways. The problem is some people (America) seem to think if we throw 100,000 soldiers at them all of a sudeen they're going to become peaceful.
Leave these people be. If they want to kill each other....FINE! We invade a country for reasons that were BS yet we leave other countries alone that are doing the same exact thing....why? No oil there.
If fucktards want to kill each other, im sorry but fuck em. Let the bad people kill off all the other bad people. But why kill some fucktards and not the other fucktards? Saddam might have nukes? What about the other 40 countries with warlords that have nukes? No oil.....
Capital punishment should be abolished, just like waterboarding.
Both are immoral, both are largely ineffective. I don't want my country to act as my enemy does, for it too would become my enemy. We, as a people, are better than that. Well, maybe not all of us...
look u are being ignorant if you knew more about our criminal justice system it isnt morally rite in fact its really fuked up rite now and i get ur against capitol punishment it saves us more money to lock some1 away for 30 years then to try them for the death penalty but these tactics are not being used on american soil the only place they use this is at gaum where there interrogation methods are under the geneva convention statutes
I'm sorry, but you did not tell me how I'm being ignorant on legal and criminal matters. You need to clarify this.
The fact that we do it outside of American soil makes it worse, not better. We're merely doing our crime on other property, bypassing legal and moral standards that exist within our nation--or at least, should exist.
The "interrogation methods" are torturous. I don't support state-mandated torture for a plethora of reasons. No one should: it's retarded and immoral...
well look u got ur opinion its ur freedom of speech so u can side on watever u want but also we the people give the power to the government to do stuff like this and as soon as people gets this thru their heads the better the gov after created by the four fathers was made to give limited power to the gov an more to the people so its our own fault that politicians pass laws that we hate and
The 8th Amendment restricts the government from performing "cruel and unusual punishments" anyways.
Not to mention, what the hell constitutes a "terrorist"? Governments always expend their powers: before you know it, protesters are "disturbing the peace," making them "terrorist." And then, our own American citizens are waterboarded - tortured. Give the government any slack, and they'll hang you with it. It happens every single time throughout history. It's a very slippery slope.
Capital punishment hasn't been proven to reduce crime, it's more expensive, and it's immoral. Until you find counters to ALL THREE of these rejections, kindly shut the fuck up.
I'm not going to take your word for it: I'm going to need proof that capital punishment reduces crime rates. The burden of proof is not on me to demonstrate otherwise.
@mwtillotson you can look at islamic civilisation (historically) when full sharia was implemented which included a penal code that has capital punishment for certain crimes.
and also preventative measures against crime
the crime rate was always very low, and regarding it being more expensive, our method was so practical that we never had any such thing as prisons (for long incaseration) so our system was far cheaper.
That is by no means proof: you are not taking correlation/causation into account. The only way to understand if capital punishment truly works is to look at the affects after instituting the practice.
Islamic countries, which might I add, are not exactly notable examples of decent and moral judicial systems, have "low crime" due to many reasons. I'm sure Amish cultures have low crime rate too, without capital punishment. There's more than meets the eye here.
compare saudi arabia's crime rate vs western countries.
how stupid do you have to be to not realize people would be more scared of being executed after murdering somebody compared to just sitting in jail for 25 years of their life?
Have you never heard of "two wrongs don't make a right"?
There are multiple reasons why we shouldn't torture: it is wrong, it hasn't been proven to work effectively, it puts our soldiers in more danger, it makes our country look like a joke, and we can't trust our government to define what constitutes a terrorist.
The death penalty hasn't been proven to be all that effective in the United States. Burden of proof is on you.
Quit being short-sighted and look at the consequences.
I guess you are right, i had forgotten US used to have death penalty. I dont live in the US btw so excuse my forgetfulness.
I do hate the term "terrorists" though, because it's so damn vague. IMO, that term should not exist in law, because it covers EVERYTHING that law already covers (murder, rape, hate crime, damage to property, etc). To me, it's more of a way for the government to arrest anybody who doesn't agree with the government's actions. The term gives the govt control.
@hmdsidd The US still has the death penalty in: Alabama Arizona Arkansas California North Carolina South Carolina Colorado Connecticut South Dakota Delaware Georgia Florida
If a government wants to expand power, "terrorism" will slowly but steadily become more vague.
In the South, if waterboarding was standardized and allowed to be administered, Martin Luther King may very well have been tortured. He was, after all, disruptive for political gains. We cannot allow government slack, for they will surely hang us eventually.
You do realize Martin Luther King was arrested for non-violent protests, right? This isn't about what terrorism actually is, it's about how the government wants to define it.
As you may have heard the phrase before, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. The label truly doesn't mean a lot and I agree it gives the government control. Too much control, especially considering the rabid hate against "terrorist" from many Westerners. It's easy to undermine citizens when they're on your side to begin with.
Spare me your retarded false dichotomies. I gave several reasons as to why I'm against waterboarding and torture as a whole: counter my stated points or get the fuck out.
Actually in recently released documents about a P.O.W. camp for Nazis in Canada, the soldiers did just that. They gave the Nazis tea and played chess. As a result, they also gained more information than most other POW camps at the time. If you treat people like people they will generally be more willing to help you out.
@mwtillotson i dont disagree with you, i think the way the west does it is wrong. everyone can have a gun but if you kill someone you're going to get capital punishment. its stupid and it wont work.
its scary but not deadly nor really dangerous. You bunch of mealy mouthed don't-know-nothin's have totally forgot the waterboarding 6000 innocent people suffered when two skyscrapers fell on top of them. Have any family who suffered? you bunch of capitualtors.
torture includes the threat of death. Making them uncomfortable is much better and does no permanent damage. These are people who take no thought at killing hundreds of innocent people using brainwashed 10 year olds with bombs on their back. Think...who's the source of evil in this equation?
No, torture does not necessarily include the threat of death. That is absolutely untrue.
Until you've been waterboarded, don't discard it as merely discomfort. You don't know what kind of psychological harm it does, which even if it didn't, would not negate it as torture.
Seriously. You actually trust the government to not only torture who you consider to be evil, but to never expend their newfound powers against the American people? Understand history - all governments expand their powers.
its been known for ages that torture rarely brings out the truth. Threats toward loved ones is truly effective, but kind of hard in a war situation were noone knows where the soldier came from
Looks like it works. And the Patriot act has authorized them to use these techniques on American Citizens YAY!!!!! I cant wait till they get me, it looks like fun!!!
You know what I think is funny about the Geneva Convention? We're the only Country that has it. Our soldiers are beheaded on live television over there. Not "instantly" killed, but they have to sit there and scream while their heads are sawed off with a knife...but we can't torture them? Get the heck out of here. When I take over, the first thing going out the window is Hilary Clinton...uh...I-I mean the Geneva Convention.
Um...yes? You have to talk to people in languages they understand. Those savages over there don't understand democracy. They don't understand civilized conversation, and negotiation. The one thing they do understand is violence, and thus we have to talk to them in a language they understand. It's just a matter of times before Liberals realize that this diplomacy isn't working. You can see that with their last election. The time for talking is over. Now it's time for action. That gets results.
Unfortunately, waterboarding isn't going to help that fucking much. If it did, it still wouldn't be worth it.
"They don't understand civilized conversation, and negotiation." - so, we...torture them? This redneck mentality truly hurts America. Nothing short of unreal stupidity, to give our government the full license to torture. If you trust them to use torture appropriately, you don't understand history.
Then run over there, give those radicals Muslims a time-out and a slap on the wrist and hope they don't do bad things anymore.
When dealing with extremists, extreme meassures must be taken. What I know about American history, is that everything material that's been accomplished, has been accomplished through force and action. Pacifism never solved anything.
False dichotomy. We don't run over to where the radical Muslims live and waterboard them. They are prisoners first.
Action and force do not necessarily equate to torture. Many, many things have been accomplished without torture. Most everything, actually. I never advocated pacifism, so what's your point. Even still, it can do wonders.
You're demonstrating a shocking lack of forethought. Are you seriously willing to give the government the power to prison without trial and torture? Seriously?
As far as I'm concerned "Prisoners" don't have rights. That applies to the savages we capture over here, as well as American inmates. If you don't want to be treated like a criminal, then don't commit the crime.
Secondly, if torturing one of those monsters for years gets vital information to save even a single American life, than I'm all for it. You can't treat monsters with humanity and expect them to take you seriously.
Great. And guess what? When you're protesting against Obama's policies, the government will have the right to imprison you without trial and torture you if need be. That's what you can't seem to comprehend; you're giving the government the ability to decide who's a criminal. If you can't see the problem there, then I don't know what to tell you.
This is speaking on pure logic. I haven't even touched morals.
I don't protest against anything, and haven't done anything that can even be mistaken for being slightly illegal. I don't worry about Big Brother, and neither should you, unless you're doing things you shouldn't be doing in the first place.
Morals don't exist when innocent lives are at stake. You do for the greater good of humanity, regardless if it's against your personal moral code, or not.
You dodged my question. An ENORMOUS amount has been accomplished due to protests. According to your logic, you think the government should have the ability to imprison people without trial and torture them. Address this point please. It's important.
The very nature and important of innocent lives is due to our sense of morals, so your statement is basically oxymoronic. The greater good for humanity is to sacrifice the safety of FEW citizens in order to limit the power of our government.
I did answer your question. Like I said; I'm not worried about Big Brother falsly arresting me under ANY pretenses. I'm not doing anything remotely wrong. You're making it seem like the police are just going to get bored one day, walk into a random house, grab someone, arrest them and torture them. The government grabs those who they assume isn't doing right by National Security. That's not me, it shouldn't be anyone, and thus it doesn't bother me.
Are you serious? Unless you believe the government is completely perfect, then there's an enormous amount that should be protested against. Do you disagree with that? If the government decided to raise taxes to 50% of your income, then you should protest. If you did, and you should, do you believe the government should be able to arrest you and torture you?
Limiting government does not equate to negating government. Thus, my statement was very pro-libertarian.
Now you're speaking hypothetically. IF the government does *blank*. That's why there are three separate checks and balances to keep government from doing *blank*. As far as I'm concerned our government hasn't done anything overtly wrong, and thus I have no need to protest anything.
Limiting government has to put the power somewhere else. Do you really want "people" having all the ability to manipulate decisions for everyone? More people voted for American Idol that the Presidency. I'll pass.
You act as if there's something wrong with hypothetical questions. They are essential in understanding politics and philosophy alike. Our government has never done anything wrong worth protesting about? What racist legislature? Do you agree with that too?
This has been debated since the Greeks. Yes, there's problems with democracy, but it beats the hell out of totalitarianism, which is clearly what you are advocating.
There is something wrong with "hypothetical questions" if you take it to the extreme like raising taxes 50%. That'll never happen. Racial legislation hasn't been an issue for decades now. Don't beat that dead horse anymore.
There is a difference between me wanting government to say exactly as it is, and then Totalitarianism, which I'm not advocating at all. You giving the people too much "control" is the problem.
(I have to go, write your response, I'll reply to it tomorrow.)
There's nothing wrong with hypothetical questions if the logic still applies. Just because you don't believe taxes will be raised that much, doesn't mean they won't. You've basically made the statement that you shouldn't ever protest, which strikes me as the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard on YouTube (and that says a lot). Is there anything that would make you protest? Ever?
Giving the government the ability to imprison without trial, torture, and stop all protests? Totalitarianism.
It is very obvious that you have Extremist views of the way politics work. It seems like you're chomping at the bit to stand up against the government for even the smallest infraction. The Government has done nothing that would warrant a protest in my opinion, and more than likely won't ever in my life time. You seem Hell-bent on limiting the power of government and placing it in the hands of people you assume are as anarchistic as yourself, but the average Joe Plumber is a moron and needs order
I have said nothing that's extreme, only that we should uphold the Constitution, common sense, and morality. Torture and imprisonment without trial is NOT a small infraction. Your trust in the government is otherworldly - I can't comprehend it.
I didn't want to be so painstakingly slow, considering I thought it was common sense, so I'll take this step-by-step. My question for you: do you think there has ever been anything worth protesting about? In all of American history, a single thing?
also... is it just me or those burning for eternity sound alot less terrorfing than having your lungs pulled out through your back so that they inflate like wings when you breath waiting to die?
you need to watch the last 2 minutes again, and listen to his explanation carefully, though he is laughing take into consideration that this is a DEPICTION and NOT REALITY. whole different ball game when your life is really at stake
Get someone to do it to you. Then tell me it ain`t touture. You ever come close to drowning? you remember that feeling? Let me tell you when SOMEONE is dry drowning you it`s torture.
Bullcrap. It IS torture. Some people are horribly afraid of water, such as myself. To experience a simulated drowning would harshly damage my psychological well-being.
Where have you been since this stuff has been all over the news, smart one?
Webster's definition? Who the hell cares? That has no legal weight what so ever. The definition that matters is the LEGAL definition. Go look that one up, genius.
So you can take your sophisticated mentalities, shove 'em up your ass and get blown to bits by terrorists, kay?
There's more to torture than the current legal definition sunshine. But I'll leave that aside for now.
According to the United Nations Convention Against Torture, torture is defined as "...any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person..."
Everyone who has been waterboarded agrees that it's torture. If you were waterboarded, you would change your mind.
This is about morals and what SHOULD be legal, not just what is. Moron.
Know what?You're all right.What the HELL was I thinking anyway!?Why should we be doing this,(granted it doesn't harm the person,just scares the shit out of them)just to get information that will save and protect the lives of our families?Stupid stupid stupid.
Hey fucktard,join the service & see what it's really about, kay?Or how about this,instead of all of you whining "You can't say it's torture, you haven't had it done to you"why don't you try it and shut the hell up.
And it does harm them; you don't know anything about waterboarding. In your redneck mind, it's just splashing water on someone's face. Do some research, then come back. And it's not at all guaranteed to save lives; the "ticking bomb" scenario rarely ever comes up.
Joining the service gives me a better idea of waterboarding? I should feel obligated to be waterboarded myself? Do you even think about what you're saying? Outrageously stupid.
Uh I'm a med major, I think I'm pretty familiar with what is harmful to the human body so let's not be a bumbling ignoramus, hm? How bout that, then.
Ps, don't you have something better to be doing? I mean really, these people have no interest in your opinion on anything and yet here you are commenting on everyone's conversations as if you were invited somehow. Kinda pitiful. Go find some friends or something.
Being a med major does not validate your opinion. I don't care about what some redneck cunt thinks of me.
That being said, it's clear you're incapable or unwilling to have a decent conversation. You haven't made a single point. Clearly, you're not good at this whole 'thinking' thing.
In spite of your incompetence, I'll bring up yet another reason in my favor: you cannot trust the government. If you give the government the power to label terrorists and to torture, it'll turn back around on us.
Do I call someone a redneck when I disagree with their opinion on music or or taste in food?
Nope. Only when they think we should torture "ragheads."
So I guess we can throw your worthless little comment in the trash. Feel free to debate the topic at hand if you'd prefer to add something meaningful.
i have seen someone get waterboarding before when i was interning for the CIA it was an academy demonstration an not as harmful as it is in the video yes u can kill some1 but this is nothin compared to other countries this is not as bad as it seems plus we need to interrogate terrorist who are trained to die instead of talk maybe u should learn a little about our criminal justice system before u bad mouth our ways of intterogation
What have I said that insinuates a lack of knowledge of our criminal justice system?
"nothin compared to other countries this is not as bad" - This is a retarded argument. It doesn't matter what other countries do - we have a moral imperative.
Allowing the government to torture opens a floodgate of horrible practices: not only is it completely immoral and wrong, but it makes our country look terrible, and it encourages our government to do the same to us.
Honestly the people there doing this to, obviously did something way worse then this. This is better then them getting the death sentence. personaly if you are a terroist getting water boarded at tourtre, you deserve much worse then this
how do you know that every person that was tortured was a terrorist?How can you pass judgment on people you don't even know? Why should America have the right to torture people, even if they were terrorists? people were excecuted for water boarding US troops in the 2nd world war, but now it's ok when the US does it to others? you've got sick morals.
Great atitude I`m stronger than you so i willl do whatever i want to do to you. Just remember thats the Atitude that creates terrorism in the first place
looks like torture to me...but I guess if it works...Make it legal...but put alot of conditions to who and when it is used...
lissann75 7 months ago
KSM survived 180 episodes of water torture
TexasHoldMe87 9 months ago
This guy makes it look WAY easier than it really is. Mancow thought it definitely was NOT torture and he only lasted SIX seconds!
Doyle251 10 months ago
Tust watching this gives me the chills
thehelix27 1 year ago
Real u.s soldiers who torture would not wear there uniform.
PortablePinoy 1 year ago
Fetch...the comfy chair!!
Noodles37UK 1 year ago
This is the reason world hates United States of America
recievedmails 1 year ago
@recievedmails certian countries (not giving specifics) are no different... its just that the american government cant be trusted. in other governments, you know that if this is what you do, this is your punishment.
Blacckkfire 1 year ago
@recievedmails Shit in other countries the torture is much worse. We could just start cutting off extremities.
dirtbikemike69 8 months ago
@recievedmails waterboarding is awful, and I don't condone it for any reason...but three-quarters of the world uses techniques that are just as bad, or worse. Read up on it - I have.
DuckiePray 7 months ago
LOL first of all, that's a totally different guy in the orange suit, secondly, he's lasting way too long, so it's not being done properly. they are running the video over and over again
tkandme3 1 year ago
@tkandme3 Jesus christ, you know it all don't you, the first video was a demonstration of a REAL waterboarding video, and the second one was the volunteer.
xXmilesdavisXx 1 year ago
Soon this could be used in police departments all around the U.S.A. . That'll be be scary!
tjpell68 1 year ago
freedom and security is a pendulum that swings one way or the other.to gain both you must have extremitites of both to understand how to keep both in balance
sliknutsmcgee 1 year ago
"give me an hour, a waterboard, and [your head], and ill make u say anything'
Won't even last an hour. if done properly it will be over in seconds. Information extracted? ANYTHING- aka bullshit. Reliability of information extracted? zip! none! So what was the worth of the action? none! zip!
swu880 1 year ago 16
THIS is the vid they showed on TV back when the waterboarding debate was going on. The media made us think it was an actual vid of a real terrorist being waterboarded.
0Oclockmusic 1 year ago
wait a minute what do you do when ur bein water boarded swallow the water??? they covered his nose and mouth right? i dont know how the hell he survived ive seen ppl that werent trained and lasted less than 10 seconds holy shit this dudes a badass i saw another one of his videos hes a former SEAL.
papasmirf31 1 year ago
@papasmirf31 This isn't the real form of water boarding, watch the video of christopher hitchens being water boarded, that is the real tactic, or at least the more excruciating one.
Humanure22 1 year ago
@Humanure22 yea i saw that one hows it more excrutiating? this ones seems to be a lot worse
papasmirf31 1 year ago
@papasmirf31 because he has large opportunities to breath through his nose as they are mainly covering his mouth. In a real water board situation, you cant last more than 10-15 seconds with the cloth fully over your face. While I will admit, visually this seems more extreme, but logically it probably isn't as bad.
Humanure22 1 year ago
What a bunch of liberal, pussy cowards. Do you really think this type of torture can compare to that of the middle east? Does this compare to beheadings? Does this compare to rape? Does this compare to the removal of limbs? Pussy ass, back seat driving, pieces of shit. If water boarding can get information from 1 out of 1000 POW's - then good! So be it. Whatever has the potential to save lives.
Goldiney 1 year ago
@Goldiney Woudn't you say that its the quality of the informaton thats important? Using technics like this will make people say anything for the torturers to stop, even if they truly have not been envolved in the activities they have been accused of.
cozmoz365 1 year ago
DAMN... they atleast could've chose like a other camo then an american camo It looks crazy. I hate the uniforms it makes us look bad even tho its a demostration. Lol They are crazy with this guy.
shadowhunter388 1 year ago
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I dont care if people think this is inhumane , if it saves lives , then fine.
bubbles867 1 year ago
I dont care if people think this is inhumane , if it saves lives , then fine.
bubbles867 1 year ago
@bubbles867 - Whos life is being saved by this? :/
MySweetStorm 1 year ago
Hmmmm....Lets think , British /American nationals at home or abroard , civillians in Iraq/ Afghanistan and also military personell. i can tell right now your a tree hugging lentil eater. I dont care on your opinion on this.
bubbles867 1 year ago
@MySweetStorm Americans, including yours
inthemoment875 1 year ago
This isent real water boarding..
GarebearShields 1 year ago
u guys r dumb this shit is fucked up
drfyffe 1 year ago
@Lynched101
Lynched you seem a very confused person, regulating torture, good luck. Try finding a mature way of putting your point across, because at the end of the day, all people are going to think when the see a comment full of swearing is idiot. Somebody needs to burst your bubble, so you can wake up to the reality of the world. Maybe your first point of call would be obtaining a passport and seeing some of the world.
ace8dead 1 year ago
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blindbrad11 1 year ago
well we could end all torture by blowing the backward assholes into oblivion Hiroshima style and end the war. Where the hell is all the balls in washington these days?there are none
VileOgre 1 year ago
Your head is full of shit.
omfg41 1 year ago
@omfg41 and you are ignorant..
VileOgre 1 year ago
Why am i ignorant?
Go on, keep wanting to nuke people.
omfg41 1 year ago
its not black and white when and not when and how not how based on cicumstances
there would be certain contridictions and in questions based on outcomes prior infomation etc that would make it so furthur laws could bipass lower ones that way
the rules needs to be solid so no human error coruption and BS applys this would be one heavy legal thing to create BUT i would be worth it !!!!!
lynched101 1 year ago
so we can call into question when and where to use and review it heavily as its no somthing to take frivolously
what is allowed in what situation for how long regulations as to the perminant physcological physical effects
i could make of huge list of when i think it should be used make in into a bill open to public etc no shady shit People have a right to know
and tbh in a lot of cases this SHIT NEEDS TO BE DONE and a department opened to review cases and record totures etc for legal purpo
lynched101 1 year ago
the fact is its going to happen if you want it too or not
when people needs for infomation they deem more important than the suffering mental or physical to the person in question holding that infomation.
if its kept on the down low its hard to moderate it very hard and shit can happen that cant be account for wrong people lives can be ruined
its need to be made legal and strictly regulated
lynched101 1 year ago
did he seriously last this long holy shit
look at the guy from vanity fair he lasted litrally like 5 seconds
but to be fair they had full head coverage which would be fucking awful not having ANY air and much harder
but still
lynched101 1 year ago
I dont care if we have to hook them up to a battery till they speak english, better them go crazy than innocent lives be lost, what if they are innoccent? tough luck, but that guy is one tough SOB respect
cowboy76051 1 year ago
i think there should be tortured but just not peircing he skin, like taking a knife ad slowly stabbing them, with a heavy gag so u can't scream leg and wrist restraints ad a blindfold, with water dipping on the head once in a while, as the person waterboard him at the same time with classical music, roc music, an jazz playing at the same time, and pulling off somees fingernails very slowly but just wateboarding is ok
sniper0diper 2 years ago
@sniper0diper
Pointless, stupid comment.
I hope we get elected officials with morals and logic; that is, I hope America elects officials who are the opposite of you.
mwtillotson 1 year ago
your a dumbass then i would FAR rather have my fingers fucking cut of then waterboarded heavily for days on end
(as long as they could reattach them and no perminant damage)
you say you a big man well then try it
you would last 5 fucking seconds and you would be begging them to cut your fuckign fingers off after 20 mins
lynched101 1 year ago
u know wat.... F*** Torture. MAN JUS LEAV DEM ALONE
Firemist666 2 years ago
In case some people haven't realized, we cannot measure pain.
SugaHighProductions 2 years ago
The problem with most of the arguments here is whether or not we should torture.... One thing we need to look at is the video....most people being Waterboarded (the right way) last maybe1 minute at most. They dont laugh afterwards even if its controlled. They're scared and shaken up.
Secondly should we torture people if we also say its wrong for other people to do it? America is not the law for the world. We do not control the world even tho our government is trying very hard to do.
donpoppito 2 years ago
@donpoppito
The problem is that people like you and I are attempting to discuss the matter rationally.
For example, I'll posit the consequences of torturing POWs, and right around the corner, some redneck will tell me how the "ragheads" deserve it. It's pointless. These people are scum - it's impossible to converse with them. They'll never change their minds.
mwtillotson 1 year ago
Agreed. Most people i talk to think its important to torture others in order to get information. OK i can kind of agree with that but when i bring up how our POW's are tortured they just say "Oh well thats wrong" Most Americans think and act like our morals are better than everyone elses. Look at our history: We basically STOLE this country. We MURDERED people to get this land....Wow yes our morals are high as hell.
America wants to run the world. Our morals are worse than anyones.
donpoppito 1 year ago
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fuck getting information? ragheads behead people, they bomb women and children. they should get tortured for shits and giggles
GTIvrt 2 years ago
@GTIvrt
Another redneck without a valid argument.
mwtillotson 2 years ago
Hey you're cute lets make out.
brandomar1 2 years ago
@GTIvrt You do realize the majority of people we water boarded are innocent right?
rhoffer21 2 years ago
redneck? im korean. and im curious as to your source of that information @rhoffer21, i dont know how much the occurance is. but even then, should we not send anyone to jail, to avoid locking up any innocents?
GTIvrt 1 year ago
Perhaps you should look at the Blackstone ratio. It is better to let 10 guilty men go free than to convict one innocent man.
rhoffer21 1 year ago
@GTIvrt
I was unaware that rednecks were country-specific. Oh, they're not. You clearly have a redneck mentality, and works for me.
That being said, to actually posit "ragheads behead people...they should get tortured for shits and giggles" as an argument is beyond pathetic. People like you should just stop. Keep your retarded fucking opinions to yourselves and let others do the conversing.
mwtillotson 1 year ago
While i understand what you mean as alot of violence goes on over there in Iraq and everywhere else we should not make ourselves out to be the final judge. That goes agasint everything this country was founded upon.
I agree that some countries are just fucked up. They've been that way for 1000's of years and nothing is going to change their ways. The problem is some people (America) seem to think if we throw 100,000 soldiers at them all of a sudeen they're going to become peaceful.
donpoppito 1 year ago
Leave these people be. If they want to kill each other....FINE! We invade a country for reasons that were BS yet we leave other countries alone that are doing the same exact thing....why? No oil there.
If fucktards want to kill each other, im sorry but fuck em. Let the bad people kill off all the other bad people. But why kill some fucktards and not the other fucktards? Saddam might have nukes? What about the other 40 countries with warlords that have nukes? No oil.....
donpoppito 1 year ago
lol, theyre just giving him a drink of water!
buno04 2 years ago
buno04, if you think its a simple drink of water then have somebody do it on you. You'll change your mind quick. Waterboarding is TORTURE
metalfloatable 2 years ago
@metalfloatable lol, you need to take a lesson or two in sarcasm.
buno04 2 years ago
Water Boarding is NOT wrong.
If we can get answers out of potential terrorists, we can save thousands of lives.
Balthasorus 2 years ago
Well, when they send the nuclear missles I just hope you all remember how you thought we were being too harsh in interrogation methods.
7777Ralph 2 years ago
this is awesome we should bring this inside our prisons as capital punishment
cfronz669 2 years ago
@cfronz669
Capital punishment should be abolished, just like waterboarding.
Both are immoral, both are largely ineffective. I don't want my country to act as my enemy does, for it too would become my enemy. We, as a people, are better than that. Well, maybe not all of us...
mwtillotson 2 years ago
look u are being ignorant if you knew more about our criminal justice system it isnt morally rite in fact its really fuked up rite now and i get ur against capitol punishment it saves us more money to lock some1 away for 30 years then to try them for the death penalty but these tactics are not being used on american soil the only place they use this is at gaum where there interrogation methods are under the geneva convention statutes
cfronz669 2 years ago 2
@cfronz669
I'm sorry, but you did not tell me how I'm being ignorant on legal and criminal matters. You need to clarify this.
The fact that we do it outside of American soil makes it worse, not better. We're merely doing our crime on other property, bypassing legal and moral standards that exist within our nation--or at least, should exist.
The "interrogation methods" are torturous. I don't support state-mandated torture for a plethora of reasons. No one should: it's retarded and immoral...
mwtillotson 2 years ago
well look u got ur opinion its ur freedom of speech so u can side on watever u want but also we the people give the power to the government to do stuff like this and as soon as people gets this thru their heads the better the gov after created by the four fathers was made to give limited power to the gov an more to the people so its our own fault that politicians pass laws that we hate and
cfronz669 2 years ago 7
yea do i think water boardin is inhumane yes but its used for hazin kids in colleges in america not just the government
( this all couldnt fit so this is part 2 of my response)
cfronz669 2 years ago 3
@cfronz669
The 8th Amendment restricts the government from performing "cruel and unusual punishments" anyways.
Not to mention, what the hell constitutes a "terrorist"? Governments always expend their powers: before you know it, protesters are "disturbing the peace," making them "terrorist." And then, our own American citizens are waterboarded - tortured. Give the government any slack, and they'll hang you with it. It happens every single time throughout history. It's a very slippery slope.
mwtillotson 2 years ago
shut up, capital punishment deserves to be their.
Their are some sick animals in the world, and no one will gain anything more from them than crime.
GO CAPITAL PUNISHMENT
Balthasorus 2 years ago
@Balthasorus
Capital punishment hasn't been proven to reduce crime, it's more expensive, and it's immoral. Until you find counters to ALL THREE of these rejections, kindly shut the fuck up.
mwtillotson 2 years ago
@mwtillotson actually if you establish preventative measures against crime and then use capital punishment as a deterrant yes it does reduce crime
but having capital punihsment in place when the society is not set up in a way to reduce crime in the first place is unjust
GuiltyOfBeingMuslim 2 years ago
@GuiltyOfBeingMuslim
I'm not going to take your word for it: I'm going to need proof that capital punishment reduces crime rates. The burden of proof is not on me to demonstrate otherwise.
mwtillotson 2 years ago
@mwtillotson you can look at islamic civilisation (historically) when full sharia was implemented which included a penal code that has capital punishment for certain crimes.
and also preventative measures against crime
the crime rate was always very low, and regarding it being more expensive, our method was so practical that we never had any such thing as prisons (for long incaseration) so our system was far cheaper.
GuiltyOfBeingMuslim 2 years ago
@GuiltyOfBeingMuslim
That is by no means proof: you are not taking correlation/causation into account. The only way to understand if capital punishment truly works is to look at the affects after instituting the practice.
Islamic countries, which might I add, are not exactly notable examples of decent and moral judicial systems, have "low crime" due to many reasons. I'm sure Amish cultures have low crime rate too, without capital punishment. There's more than meets the eye here.
mwtillotson 2 years ago
@mwtillotson i'm talking about historically. not now. the arab (not islamic) countries now are a total joke.
no one means works on its own. there has to be a system that works. many different aspects coming together to stop crime.
GuiltyOfBeingMuslim 2 years ago
@mwtillotson
compare saudi arabia's crime rate vs western countries.
how stupid do you have to be to not realize people would be more scared of being executed after murdering somebody compared to just sitting in jail for 25 years of their life?
hmdsidd 2 years ago
@hmdsidd
Have you never heard of "two wrongs don't make a right"?
There are multiple reasons why we shouldn't torture: it is wrong, it hasn't been proven to work effectively, it puts our soldiers in more danger, it makes our country look like a joke, and we can't trust our government to define what constitutes a terrorist.
The death penalty hasn't been proven to be all that effective in the United States. Burden of proof is on you.
Quit being short-sighted and look at the consequences.
mwtillotson 2 years ago 6
@mwtillotson
I guess you are right, i had forgotten US used to have death penalty. I dont live in the US btw so excuse my forgetfulness.
I do hate the term "terrorists" though, because it's so damn vague. IMO, that term should not exist in law, because it covers EVERYTHING that law already covers (murder, rape, hate crime, damage to property, etc). To me, it's more of a way for the government to arrest anybody who doesn't agree with the government's actions. The term gives the govt control.
hmdsidd 2 years ago
ginkster88 2 years ago
ginkster88 2 years ago
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...I see youtube's commenting has messed up the formatting, but no matter... you get the point if you read down.
The term "terrorist" refers to anyone who uses violence or intimidation for political aims. That seems pretty specific to me.
ginkster88 2 years ago
@ginkster88
If a government wants to expand power, "terrorism" will slowly but steadily become more vague.
In the South, if waterboarding was standardized and allowed to be administered, Martin Luther King may very well have been tortured. He was, after all, disruptive for political gains. We cannot allow government slack, for they will surely hang us eventually.
mwtillotson 2 years ago
@mwtillotson
"Violence and intimidation". Malcolm X, maybe. The Black Panthers, maybe. But certainly not MLK, the leading advocate for non-violent protest.
ginkster88 2 years ago
@ginkster88
You do realize Martin Luther King was arrested for non-violent protests, right? This isn't about what terrorism actually is, it's about how the government wants to define it.
mwtillotson 2 years ago
@hmdsidd
As you may have heard the phrase before, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. The label truly doesn't mean a lot and I agree it gives the government control. Too much control, especially considering the rabid hate against "terrorist" from many Westerners. It's easy to undermine citizens when they're on your side to begin with.
mwtillotson 2 years ago
@mwtillotson So lets just sit down with a terrorist give them a cup of tea and find out there operations, you know that makes perfect sense.
AdamMoss13 2 years ago
@AdamMoss13
Spare me your retarded false dichotomies. I gave several reasons as to why I'm against waterboarding and torture as a whole: counter my stated points or get the fuck out.
mwtillotson 2 years ago
Actually in recently released documents about a P.O.W. camp for Nazis in Canada, the soldiers did just that. They gave the Nazis tea and played chess. As a result, they also gained more information than most other POW camps at the time. If you treat people like people they will generally be more willing to help you out.
chrisreddie 2 years ago
@mwtillotson two wrongs gets shit done
fatprick44 1 month ago
@mwtillotson i dont disagree with you, i think the way the west does it is wrong. everyone can have a gun but if you kill someone you're going to get capital punishment. its stupid and it wont work.
GuiltyOfBeingMuslim 2 years ago
that guys a freakin bamf... everyone else online lasted about 10 seconds.
mark1m 2 years ago 3
videos like this makes me hate peoples stupidity
mcnowski 2 years ago 2
we ought to kill the fucking terrorists, fuck them all.
djdenny123 2 years ago
And let our government decide what constitutes a terrorist? Sounds like the worst idea ever.
The...worst...idea...ever.
mwtillotson 2 years ago
aww boo hoo... save the terrorists
Torpedo824 2 years ago
Hi.
Oozblar 2 years ago
yes will definately should waterboard. u want to fuck with america? we're gonna waterboard the shit out you. don't fuck with us.
saveGOP 2 years ago
ya!!! waterboard em!
ihatedemocrats11 2 years ago
Is it bad I read that in my Tyler Durden voice?
FireFart179 2 years ago
its scary but not deadly nor really dangerous. You bunch of mealy mouthed don't-know-nothin's have totally forgot the waterboarding 6000 innocent people suffered when two skyscrapers fell on top of them. Have any family who suffered? you bunch of capitualtors.
diddymuck 2 years ago
Spare us the sensationalistic bullshit. In the civilized world, we don't torture people. That's that.
mwtillotson 2 years ago
torture includes the threat of death. Making them uncomfortable is much better and does no permanent damage. These are people who take no thought at killing hundreds of innocent people using brainwashed 10 year olds with bombs on their back. Think...who's the source of evil in this equation?
diddymuck 2 years ago
No, torture does not necessarily include the threat of death. That is absolutely untrue.
Until you've been waterboarded, don't discard it as merely discomfort. You don't know what kind of psychological harm it does, which even if it didn't, would not negate it as torture.
Seriously. You actually trust the government to not only torture who you consider to be evil, but to never expend their newfound powers against the American people? Understand history - all governments expand their powers.
mwtillotson 2 years ago
this is fuckin' nothing, if i was the guy doing the torture i would be cutting their fingers off one by fuckin' one
therealcrashxp 2 years ago
its been known for ages that torture rarely brings out the truth. Threats toward loved ones is truly effective, but kind of hard in a war situation were noone knows where the soldier came from
SethP666 2 years ago
Looks like it works. And the Patriot act has authorized them to use these techniques on American Citizens YAY!!!!! I cant wait till they get me, it looks like fun!!!
StealThisWorld 2 years ago
you are a moron.
JosephTeoHsienHui 2 years ago
You know what I think is funny about the Geneva Convention? We're the only Country that has it. Our soldiers are beheaded on live television over there. Not "instantly" killed, but they have to sit there and scream while their heads are sawed off with a knife...but we can't torture them? Get the heck out of here. When I take over, the first thing going out the window is Hilary Clinton...uh...I-I mean the Geneva Convention.
Badger9001 2 years ago
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So just because our enemies are savages we have to be ones as well?
JesusWasStupid 2 years ago
Um...yes? You have to talk to people in languages they understand. Those savages over there don't understand democracy. They don't understand civilized conversation, and negotiation. The one thing they do understand is violence, and thus we have to talk to them in a language they understand. It's just a matter of times before Liberals realize that this diplomacy isn't working. You can see that with their last election. The time for talking is over. Now it's time for action. That gets results.
Badger9001 2 years ago
Unfortunately, waterboarding isn't going to help that fucking much. If it did, it still wouldn't be worth it.
"They don't understand civilized conversation, and negotiation." - so, we...torture them? This redneck mentality truly hurts America. Nothing short of unreal stupidity, to give our government the full license to torture. If you trust them to use torture appropriately, you don't understand history.
mwtillotson 2 years ago
Then run over there, give those radicals Muslims a time-out and a slap on the wrist and hope they don't do bad things anymore.
When dealing with extremists, extreme meassures must be taken. What I know about American history, is that everything material that's been accomplished, has been accomplished through force and action. Pacifism never solved anything.
Badger9001 2 years ago
False dichotomy. We don't run over to where the radical Muslims live and waterboard them. They are prisoners first.
Action and force do not necessarily equate to torture. Many, many things have been accomplished without torture. Most everything, actually. I never advocated pacifism, so what's your point. Even still, it can do wonders.
You're demonstrating a shocking lack of forethought. Are you seriously willing to give the government the power to prison without trial and torture? Seriously?
mwtillotson 2 years ago
As far as I'm concerned "Prisoners" don't have rights. That applies to the savages we capture over here, as well as American inmates. If you don't want to be treated like a criminal, then don't commit the crime.
Secondly, if torturing one of those monsters for years gets vital information to save even a single American life, than I'm all for it. You can't treat monsters with humanity and expect them to take you seriously.
Badger9001 2 years ago
Great. And guess what? When you're protesting against Obama's policies, the government will have the right to imprison you without trial and torture you if need be. That's what you can't seem to comprehend; you're giving the government the ability to decide who's a criminal. If you can't see the problem there, then I don't know what to tell you.
This is speaking on pure logic. I haven't even touched morals.
mwtillotson 2 years ago
I don't protest against anything, and haven't done anything that can even be mistaken for being slightly illegal. I don't worry about Big Brother, and neither should you, unless you're doing things you shouldn't be doing in the first place.
Morals don't exist when innocent lives are at stake. You do for the greater good of humanity, regardless if it's against your personal moral code, or not.
Badger9001 2 years ago
You dodged my question. An ENORMOUS amount has been accomplished due to protests. According to your logic, you think the government should have the ability to imprison people without trial and torture them. Address this point please. It's important.
The very nature and important of innocent lives is due to our sense of morals, so your statement is basically oxymoronic. The greater good for humanity is to sacrifice the safety of FEW citizens in order to limit the power of our government.
mwtillotson 2 years ago
I did answer your question. Like I said; I'm not worried about Big Brother falsly arresting me under ANY pretenses. I'm not doing anything remotely wrong. You're making it seem like the police are just going to get bored one day, walk into a random house, grab someone, arrest them and torture them. The government grabs those who they assume isn't doing right by National Security. That's not me, it shouldn't be anyone, and thus it doesn't bother me.
That last statement sounds very pro-anarchy.
Badger9001 2 years ago
Are you serious? Unless you believe the government is completely perfect, then there's an enormous amount that should be protested against. Do you disagree with that? If the government decided to raise taxes to 50% of your income, then you should protest. If you did, and you should, do you believe the government should be able to arrest you and torture you?
Limiting government does not equate to negating government. Thus, my statement was very pro-libertarian.
mwtillotson 2 years ago
Now you're speaking hypothetically. IF the government does *blank*. That's why there are three separate checks and balances to keep government from doing *blank*. As far as I'm concerned our government hasn't done anything overtly wrong, and thus I have no need to protest anything.
Limiting government has to put the power somewhere else. Do you really want "people" having all the ability to manipulate decisions for everyone? More people voted for American Idol that the Presidency. I'll pass.
Badger9001 2 years ago
You act as if there's something wrong with hypothetical questions. They are essential in understanding politics and philosophy alike. Our government has never done anything wrong worth protesting about? What racist legislature? Do you agree with that too?
This has been debated since the Greeks. Yes, there's problems with democracy, but it beats the hell out of totalitarianism, which is clearly what you are advocating.
mwtillotson 2 years ago
There is something wrong with "hypothetical questions" if you take it to the extreme like raising taxes 50%. That'll never happen. Racial legislation hasn't been an issue for decades now. Don't beat that dead horse anymore.
There is a difference between me wanting government to say exactly as it is, and then Totalitarianism, which I'm not advocating at all. You giving the people too much "control" is the problem.
(I have to go, write your response, I'll reply to it tomorrow.)
Badger9001 2 years ago
There's nothing wrong with hypothetical questions if the logic still applies. Just because you don't believe taxes will be raised that much, doesn't mean they won't. You've basically made the statement that you shouldn't ever protest, which strikes me as the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard on YouTube (and that says a lot). Is there anything that would make you protest? Ever?
Giving the government the ability to imprison without trial, torture, and stop all protests? Totalitarianism.
mwtillotson 2 years ago
It is very obvious that you have Extremist views of the way politics work. It seems like you're chomping at the bit to stand up against the government for even the smallest infraction. The Government has done nothing that would warrant a protest in my opinion, and more than likely won't ever in my life time. You seem Hell-bent on limiting the power of government and placing it in the hands of people you assume are as anarchistic as yourself, but the average Joe Plumber is a moron and needs order
Badger9001 2 years ago
I have said nothing that's extreme, only that we should uphold the Constitution, common sense, and morality. Torture and imprisonment without trial is NOT a small infraction. Your trust in the government is otherworldly - I can't comprehend it.
I didn't want to be so painstakingly slow, considering I thought it was common sense, so I'll take this step-by-step. My question for you: do you think there has ever been anything worth protesting about? In all of American history, a single thing?
mwtillotson 2 years ago
so much for no torture in the usa hey you guys?
also... is it just me or those burning for eternity sound alot less terrorfing than having your lungs pulled out through your back so that they inflate like wings when you breath waiting to die?
tortures new my ass!
1ockedand1oaded 2 years ago
wow this dude is such a fucking tough guy its unbelieveable!
Jermetrice 2 years ago
i want to be in a demonstation where im waterborded...im weird like that
peasinacan 2 years ago
weird as in kinky weird or just bored weird?
1ockedand1oaded 2 years ago
umm both? lol jk...no just bored weird
peasinacan 2 years ago
This guy is TOUGH
22kushal 2 years ago
That guy has balls
dave4468 2 years ago 4
you're a fag
thepalmetto 2 years ago
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PulserPk 2 years ago
oh, hello dick cheney.
soccer21928 2 years ago
Wow, so he wasn't harmed and even came out of it laughing?!?! Then admitted it made him want to do anything to get them to stop.
Sounds like it really isn't "torture" to me.
cantareadio 2 years ago
you need to watch the last 2 minutes again, and listen to his explanation carefully, though he is laughing take into consideration that this is a DEPICTION and NOT REALITY. whole different ball game when your life is really at stake
EMSqueen88 2 years ago
'cept for the fact that your life isn't actually at stake...this isn't lethal.
cantareadio 2 years ago
Get yourself waterboarded and them tell me that isn't torture.
DanialWali 2 years ago
Youtube Mancow getting waterboarded.
biagiotti2006 2 years ago
Get someone to do it to you. Then tell me it ain`t touture. You ever come close to drowning? you remember that feeling? Let me tell you when SOMEONE is dry drowning you it`s torture.
22kushal 2 years ago
Hi! Look up the legal definition of "torture" and water boarding does not constitute "torture."
It's uncomfortable and it sucks, but it's not torture nor is it dangerous.
cantareadio 2 years ago
Bullcrap. It IS torture. Some people are horribly afraid of water, such as myself. To experience a simulated drowning would harshly damage my psychological well-being.
Masterz13 2 years ago
Wow are you serious???!!! cry a fucking river.
tjobrien323 2 years ago
Actually, Merriam Webster says "Anguish of body or mind."
Hence, you are completely fucking wrong. Sorry, it's not okay to invent definitions in order to support barbaric, redneck mentalities.
mwtillotson 2 years ago
Aha, wow you're dumb.
Where have you been since this stuff has been all over the news, smart one?
Webster's definition? Who the hell cares? That has no legal weight what so ever. The definition that matters is the LEGAL definition. Go look that one up, genius.
So you can take your sophisticated mentalities, shove 'em up your ass and get blown to bits by terrorists, kay?
Have a nice one!
cantareadio 2 years ago
There's more to torture than the current legal definition sunshine. But I'll leave that aside for now.
According to the United Nations Convention Against Torture, torture is defined as "...any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person..."
Everyone who has been waterboarded agrees that it's torture. If you were waterboarded, you would change your mind.
This is about morals and what SHOULD be legal, not just what is. Moron.
mwtillotson 2 years ago
Know what?You're all right.What the HELL was I thinking anyway!?Why should we be doing this,(granted it doesn't harm the person,just scares the shit out of them)just to get information that will save and protect the lives of our families?Stupid stupid stupid.
Hey fucktard,join the service & see what it's really about, kay?Or how about this,instead of all of you whining "You can't say it's torture, you haven't had it done to you"why don't you try it and shut the hell up.
cantareadio 2 years ago
Good job changing the subject.
And it does harm them; you don't know anything about waterboarding. In your redneck mind, it's just splashing water on someone's face. Do some research, then come back. And it's not at all guaranteed to save lives; the "ticking bomb" scenario rarely ever comes up.
Joining the service gives me a better idea of waterboarding? I should feel obligated to be waterboarded myself? Do you even think about what you're saying? Outrageously stupid.
mwtillotson 2 years ago
Uh I'm a med major, I think I'm pretty familiar with what is harmful to the human body so let's not be a bumbling ignoramus, hm? How bout that, then.
Ps, don't you have something better to be doing? I mean really, these people have no interest in your opinion on anything and yet here you are commenting on everyone's conversations as if you were invited somehow. Kinda pitiful. Go find some friends or something.
cantareadio 2 years ago
Being a med major does not validate your opinion. I don't care about what some redneck cunt thinks of me.
That being said, it's clear you're incapable or unwilling to have a decent conversation. You haven't made a single point. Clearly, you're not good at this whole 'thinking' thing.
In spite of your incompetence, I'll bring up yet another reason in my favor: you cannot trust the government. If you give the government the power to label terrorists and to torture, it'll turn back around on us.
mwtillotson 2 years ago
LMAO Everytime you don't like or agree with someone's views or opinion you call them redneck. Whahahahha!
SkaRocksYea 2 years ago
Do I call someone a redneck when I disagree with their opinion on music or or taste in food?
Nope. Only when they think we should torture "ragheads."
So I guess we can throw your worthless little comment in the trash. Feel free to debate the topic at hand if you'd prefer to add something meaningful.
mwtillotson 2 years ago
i have seen someone get waterboarding before when i was interning for the CIA it was an academy demonstration an not as harmful as it is in the video yes u can kill some1 but this is nothin compared to other countries this is not as bad as it seems plus we need to interrogate terrorist who are trained to die instead of talk maybe u should learn a little about our criminal justice system before u bad mouth our ways of intterogation
cfronz669 2 years ago 2
@cfronz669
What have I said that insinuates a lack of knowledge of our criminal justice system?
"nothin compared to other countries this is not as bad" - This is a retarded argument. It doesn't matter what other countries do - we have a moral imperative.
Allowing the government to torture opens a floodgate of horrible practices: not only is it completely immoral and wrong, but it makes our country look terrible, and it encourages our government to do the same to us.
mwtillotson 2 years ago
have you ever had it done to you? NO
zoticus1 2 years ago
Just because things are legal doesn't mean their humane. Somewhere, in a clear conscience you have to cross the line.
jimmofosty 2 years ago 3
just watching this made me feel like i was suffocating.
DeeeZeeeLopez 2 years ago
TORTURE
italianlupo 2 years ago
Terrorists my foot
rwill117 2 years ago
Honestly the people there doing this to, obviously did something way worse then this. This is better then them getting the death sentence. personaly if you are a terroist getting water boarded at tourtre, you deserve much worse then this
nerdygirl359 2 years ago
wheres "tourtre"?
dwellingofduels 2 years ago
how do you know that every person that was tortured was a terrorist?How can you pass judgment on people you don't even know? Why should America have the right to torture people, even if they were terrorists? people were excecuted for water boarding US troops in the 2nd world war, but now it's ok when the US does it to others? you've got sick morals.
Minkki82 2 years ago
well fuck you, we do whatever the fuck we want and your shithole country cant do a damn thing or welll fuck u up too
shawnwalls14 2 years ago
Well I'm from America, and you sound like a fucking idiot. Lol.
biagiotti2006 2 years ago
Great atitude I`m stronger than you so i willl do whatever i want to do to you. Just remember thats the Atitude that creates terrorism in the first place
22kushal 2 years ago
and uh finland ...you shouldnt even speak
shawnwalls14 2 years ago
how so?
Minkki82 2 years ago
How to deal with terrorists: Contact Harvard law school professors and retain them to litigate! Yeah! That'll teach Al Qaeda a lesson!
Graymalkin2001 2 years ago
this beats getting your head cut off with a machete in the name of allah akhbar...
ZeckBlue 2 years ago 3
which government does that exactly?
Minkki82 2 years ago
Iran
ZeckBlue 2 years ago