TU 154M official crash animation and real CVR (near Irkutsk)

[ekovir]

what makes this nois in CVR? Not engines - it has the same pitch...

[MrSrgj]

On some recordings heard as the aircraft commander sends greetings to his wife and children.

[hammerogod]

Vladivostokavia Flight 352 was the 56th loss of a Tupolev 154.

That is just a stat until you consider that it only took the crash of 2 De Havilland Comets to virtually end it's use as a Commercial airliner.

The DC10 was only manufactured for 20 years largely because of safety issues.

I mean, RIP to everyone who lost their lives in a TU-154, but maybe it's time to rethink how these things are flown.

Or if they should be flown.

[2203geo]

Пилоты блин. Матом еще там ругаются

[LeKaX95X]

какая графа пиздатая...

[plasticspastic201]

the last dude sounds a little miffed. hahaha

[pvn35]

шок

[plasticspastic201]

this animation is bullshit. they crashed in a flat spin. the animation shows forward flight into the ground

[flexalex13]

@plasticspastic201 that's an OFFICIAL animation of RA -85845 Burdanovka crash, i think RA-85185 tragedy near Donetsk confused you.

[plasticspastic201]

@flexalex13 Not at all. I was reading and following the cockpit transcription with this video. That is correct, even to the horn at the end with the last phrase shouted by the pilot "thats it guys f***". This animation does not follow what happened in the accident description. A flat spin into the ground and that is not what i see on this video.

[NZtegmen]

Does any one know if it's possible to recover from a flat spin in a Tu154? Assuming of course there is enough altitude? Ie by proper handling? One would assume not pulling up, using rudder to correct spin and diving nose down to get the speed back?

[flexalex13]

@NZtegmen there was a burning discussion on that point on famous russian aviaforum after the RA 85185 tragedy, the main outcome is no chance, impossible.

[lynxxxxie]

I mean if u missed loss of speed u should depoy flaps at least.

[lynxxxxie]

Закрылки, да е... вашу мать.

[Laudan08]

Accelerate the plane! Accelerate.

RIP

[DROLL30]

was this the  russian president crash ?

[TheAmessz]

@DROLL30 no

[TheAmessz]

@DROLL30 no is not

[commandro]

@DROLL30 wtf are you talking about

[Birsa88]

@DROLL30 O_o

[johnairlines8]

@DROLL30 umm, no.. look at the date

[huss20071113]

how du make these videos

[ThePalnik]

1:36 : "Eh, vse pizdets!"

R.I.P.

[sid77777]

rip



[ericambrosecoon]

I read that they circled the airport three times before trying to land. Was this part of a missed approach procedure?

[cjellwood]

@ericambrosecoon it turned out there was just one attempt to land

[TequilAndLime]

R.I.P

[TequilAndLime]

dangerous plane... .. same happened in Smolensk.. official explanation - "pilot error".. yeah right..

[szymozillo]

what's game

[prestb]

@szymozillo Christ. It's not a freaking game.

[WatchMeSnipe]

r.i.p

[VladFil]

the captain took over the controls just too late. this was the case

[dnaerr]

drunk pilot :)

[viktorkk1]

you drunk

[Loxspliff]

pilot error

[nskw01]

Looks like Microsoft FS98.

[Heimdall01]

Would it not be an idea to hook this tape up to a computer, in order to remove the ambient noise?

[EasternMerchant]

why did it stall? were they flying too slow?

[99draiwil]

too slow and the First officer banked too high. at about 1:16 the one saying "Speed..... Stop stop stop stop!" is the captain warning him of this.

[flexalex13]

The airspeed decreased to 365 km/h where the recommended speed was 370 km/h in this stage of the flight. Power was added slowly. This was only just sufficient for maintaining an altitude of 850 m at 355-360 km/h. At 02:07:46, while still in the left hand turn, the angle of attack increased to 16,5° because the autopilot attempted to maintain altitude with a decreasing speed.

[flexalex13]

An aural warning then sounded, indicating a high angle of attack. The first officer attempted to correct this and by using the control column, he disconnected the autopilot. Because he deflected the control column to the left, the left bank increased trough the maximum permissable value of -30° to -44°, and then to -48°. With the nose pitched down the speed increased to 400m.

[flexalex13]

The airplane entered a layer of clouds, so the crew did not have a possibility of observing of the natural horizon and the landmarks under these conditions at night. The captain intervened and attempted to control the airplane. He alternately deflecting the steering wheel to the left and right. An intensive deflection of steering control to the right, caused a positive angular acceleration of +4,4°/sec2. The captain reacted by deflecting the steering wheel to the left again.

[flexalex13]

The first officer now realizes that the airplane is in a severe left bank (-45°) and indicates that they should be rolling to the right. Because of an increase in vertical descent rate (20m/sec), one of the crew members pulled the control column. The airplane pitched up rapidly, entered a stall and a subsequent flat spin. The crew were unable to regain control. After spinning for 22 seconds, the aircraft slammed down on its belly, broke up and burned.

[flexalex13]

so, first of all they lost spacial orientation while trying to control speed, than they simply forgot about the speed while badly maneuvering from dumping.

[Randy4806]

@flexalex13 Maybe if it was in English would be fine, but I feel for the pilots.

[plasticspastic201]

@flexalex13 there is no spin in this video.

[flexalex13]

@plasticspastic201 "this plane went into flat spin" - what's the problem??? There is a spin in this video, cause it falls... The plain don't have to go round itself to get into spin.

[plasticspastic201]

@flexalex13 hardly a spin then fool. more like a slight deviation.

[davetek490]

@plasticspastic201 What are you talking about? The camera is locked with perspective to the plane. 1:10 1st departure due to stall, causes a bank, then incorrect F/O input raises the nose. 1:31 Full departure from controlled flight, notice back ground is spinning but wings are relatively level. That is a flat spin. The left wing is hardly seeing any airflow. They try to get the nose down but not enough altitude left.

[plasticspastic201]

@davetek490 the video bares NO resemblance to the description provided. no flat spin. no belly flop. the video shows forward motion and the nose going into the ground. wake up please.

[EAbountyboy]

co-pilot pulled the nose of the up while flying too slow w/o adding thrust

[DelfinoDelphis]

It seems that the nose went up to quickly and aircraft stalled at low speed.

[alexey7777777]

rip

[stevenroxyosox]

Wow the only TU 154 Crash that ive herd of before was a mid air collision with a DHL Boeing 757-200 on the german swiss border. this is very sad r.i.p

[VladFil]

as understood they simply lost the speed

[dimka171]

r.i.p

[redcarsarasota]

Those poor passengers! I said a prayer for the victims and their families after watching this animation, it shocked me so much.

[musicalaviator]

In some ways this resembles the American flight that crashed on October 12 2001 in New York (A300 tail seperation in flight due to excessive use of force on flight controls). The accident here is also majorly an incident resulting from excessive use of controls, leading from a badly excecuted approach. Preventitave measure: going around, and flying less roughly. Its one of those company culture and CRM issues that cascade failed to the last weak link.

[flexalex13]

First of all they were late on controls, then the last rough maneuvre by unindentified crewmember who was trying to get out of critical situation which already took place, made plane stall, and that was it(.

In case of A300 tail separation - different story. There wasn't any critical situation onboard, unnecessary and excessive use of controls by copilot, who was incorrectly taught to do that in turbulence on his advance maneuvre courses, made it

[BritishAgent]

It was November 12, 2001.

[AltJap]

@BritishAgent, no it was at summer, juli I think. I was working then i one state organisation, that had to do with utilization of some part of plane

[TREVOR1900]

those last 30 seconds must have been horrifying

[kikiki887]

I´m shocked:(