Palin's Pastor Problem

[Ecdysiast96]

what a nutbag. Nobody actually believes any of that do they? Maybe in Alaska.

[anakinconda1]

I think I vomited a little in my mouth. It amazes me how people can stomach this bile.

[Submit92]

The only thing you love is the polictical power you gain from supporting a democratic nation in the middle east. It just happens to be a jewish country.

[Submit92]

The thing most people are nervous to admit, fundemantalist Christians are more dangerous to us Jews than Fundemantalist Muslims because they pretend they don't hate us. For centruries, churchs have been quilty of horrible anti-semetic acts. martin Luther, founder of the protestant reformation said that, "Their rabbis should be forbidden to teach under penalty of death, and their homes and synagouges should be destroyed. Now, all of a sudden, you hug our necks and say you love us.

[MrBrendonOconnell]

@Submit92 Who pretends? I hate you. But don't play the poor me from your Holocaust soap box. You guys hate Christ more than we hate you. "Xmas" Holiday tree. You guys have done all you can to get Christ out of sight.

[ProtestantAleksander]

read your bible and pray each and every day!!!

[messianicmatt]

Bloggers quote a snippet of the message Mr. Brickner of Jews for Jesus gave at Palins church, giving the false impression that he thinks terrorism is Gods judgment on the Jewish people. But he says, "I dont believe any one event whether a terrorist attack or a natural disaster is a specific fulfillment of or manifestation of a Biblical prediction of judgment.I love my Jewish people and the land of Israel. I stand with and support her against all efforts to harm her or her people in any way."

[QueenDeleona]

How is this any better than what Rev. Wright said? Where was the mass media about this aspect of Palin's life???

[redneckgurl001]

I understood this to be in reference to biblical time. I dont think he is saying that Jews deserve judgement. He may have mentioned thier hearts arent open to recieve Jesus as Messiah but not that they are comdemned right?

[tngoatee]

David Brickner (DB) is clearly condemning all Jews who reject Jesus, not just 2,000 years ago, but today as well. Listen carefully to the following sections:

- DB speaks of Israel, and the conflict that is spreading throughout the Middle-East, and that this is "judgement", (00:00-00:19).

- DB also says, Jesus spoke of future "judgement" occurring in 'the land' [meaning Israel - emphasis mine], because he [Jesus] was REJECTED as 'the messiah', & Jews will be punished for this, (00:15-00:58).

[tngoatee]

(cont'd - pt-2)

- DB, speaking of our PRESENT era, says, "Judgement is very real, and we see it played out on the pages of the newspapers and on the television...", (01:54-02:03)

- DB then recalls his son's [Isaac's] recent visit to Israel [July 2008], and says that he [Isaac] was there to witness some of that "JUDGEMENT". Of course, David Brickner was referring to the murderous bulldozer rampage - by a Palestinian - which killed several Jews, and injured many others. (01:55-02:24).

[freytizzle]

Jesus was jewish... fact.

The Bible.. version 1 AND 2 are complete and total falacy... fact.

the story of jesus was stolen from the story of mithra and several aspects of roman and other relions, most notably HORUS... fact.

look it up.

[freytizzle]

i realize i had a lot of typos there. dont avoid what i just brought up in light of my poor typing skills. as stated previously, LOOK IT UP.

[Daab90]

If you read the bible, he is only telling you what it says.

[QueenBellaaa]

You know had this been in Obama's church, FOX NEWS WOULD HAVE BEEN ALL OVER THIS and called him anti-semitic 100 times over. But since it's a Republican, they have chosen to ignore this story altogether. The hypocrisy. And oh yeah don't forgot to blame "the liberal media."

[tngoatee]

Shame shame shame on David Brickner [Jews for Jesus] for his AUG 17 2008 sermon at Wasilla Bible Church where he stated that Israeli Jews deserved to be attacked and killed by Islamic terrorists, e.g., the recent bulldozer murders, because they (majority of Jews) reject Jesus as the Messiah.

May David Brickner's name and memory be obliterated!

[4U2TakeBackAmerica]

WOW, excellent!

[tngoatee]

David Brickner's surname should be changed to PRICKNER!

[RealLightBee]

Aerial Wolf Slaughter: Twice, Alaskans voted to STOP the inhumane aerial wolf slaughter. Palin forced it back on the ballot for the third time, twisted the wording so that NO meant YES and she spent Alaskan money (400,000) to campaign for her hideous cause and got the ballot passed to CONTINUE the slaughter. CLEARLY Palin does NOT listen or care about what the PEOPLE want! She has opened a bloodbath here in AK.

[SendWtoMars]

Anyone know what kind of creationist she is? Or was? New World? Lord Xenu?

[WrytchusAnger]

Dominionism. God created the Universe in a Solar week.

[Cameron816]

In the Bible (Daniel 11) the Antichrist is referred to as the King of the North. This king is "the leader who will come, the little horn, the beast and the stern faced king." (Pitt bull??)

[Kteachums]

I have already been through this once in my life I'm not about to go through it again. I am not unGodly. But, please don't parade some candidate in front of me that wants to drill, drill drill. The hell with you Patrickholmstock. You steal from the poor to make yourself rich. Then you convert the Bible to meet your own needs. I am sick of you and the Palin Godliness. I have three children who have finished college. None of them were pregnant before getting married.

[Kteachums]

Watch out America. We are unGodly people. Sarah Palin knows the way. I'm from WV. I won't make it. I have too many cousins that need saved. Ha, ha!!! Only one way to heaven drill, drill, drill. The heck with any of God's other creatures.

[patrickholmstock]

You are ungodly. You are a creature (created being) who has fallen short of the glory of God. Their is none righteous no not one. No one can convince you. But He has put eternity in your heart and you know the Truth because Has made it plain to you. Therefore having rejected the Truth you have had to make the exchange. You have exchanged the Truth for the lie. The Jews did reject Jesus and they have been under a curse for 2000 years. Oil is a form of currency. Pray we use it properly and wisely.

[PeterHaroldErikson]

Nonsense.

Palin: a visiting pastor holds a single speech. The source accuses Palin of the same believes because she was in attendance. Meaning every Dem hearing Bush's retarded speeches in attendance would necessarily think the same way as Bush.

BO: he went for 20 YEARS to the same Black Supremacist church, of which Wright was the head-honcho. Besides fitting a pattern, one can't possibly compare 20 years of attendance with attending a single speech of a visiting pastor.

[patrickholmstock]

She does believe what this pastor is preaching because it is the Word of God and their is no lying in Him. He is not a man that He could lie. He is Truth and Light and their is no lying or darkness in His Words. Your soul will be judged according to His Word. Jesus is the Word made flesh. Today is the day for salvation. Now is the time to make peace with your God who has given you the breath of life. Mr. Obama if you research you will find is not who you think he is.

[murjr]

Let me issue a challenge to most of you. It is the same challenge that was given to me 35 years ago when I used to spew rants against God, Christians, and the Bible similar to the ones on here: "Why don't you read it so you know what you are talking about?" You can not disprove ideas from a position of ignorance. If you will quietly search your heart of hearts most of you will have to admit, you really don't know what the Bible says. Your impressions come from hearsay.

[stevekap8]

This guys doesn't sound any crazier than a typical preacher. I don't mean that in a good way.

[shanerex73]

thats what the bible says dont like it take it up with GOD . the bible is GOD'S WORD and it is our final authority .

[SendWtoMars]

God's word according to who? According to mortal men, who make mistakes and make things up.

Besides, how would you suggest someone should "take it up with GOD"? Do you have a phone number, or is it just whatever each person happens to feel in his heart... or what?

[kudosdc]

I think you write YOUR number on the back of the bill you put in the basket. If you don't hear back, just keep trying.

[cecgm938]

The Afro-Americans critized Bill Cosby when he made an observation against his own race too. This is a Israeli making an observation about his country Israel. She listened to someone's opinion, same as Obama did when he listed to his pastor Rev Wright. That makes me think she will listen to my opinion too.

[SendWtoMars]

The fact that she proudly claims to be doing god's work for the state, and that other's need to "get right with god" for the state makes me feel very strongly that she will NOT listen to my opinion. You think her mind is not already made up wrt right-to-life, creationism, and "god's will be done" in Iraq? Yeah, okay... yes, she WILL listen to someone's opinion! But not mine.

[LordXmen2k]

Not only that, this woman supporter Pat Buchannan for president, this lady is a radical right wing neocon, worst than Bush, McCain and Cheney put together. The only house she belongs in is the nut house.

[murjr]

Well I have to tell you that you are barking up the wrong tree here. This is pretty standard New Testament teaching and orthodox Christian doctrine. You are free to reject it, but to call her pastor a fanatic is simply a misnomer. It is no new or surprising idea that the Jews are the center of history and of God's plan. They are called His chosen people precisely because He chose to reveal Himself to them and through them to the rest of the world.

[murjr]

Is it now no longer acceptable to believe in Jesus and the New Testament? If you think these people are Jew haters, you could not be more wrong. Jesus and the Apostles were Jews. Abraham is the father of faith. Christians, if they are Christians, never forget this. Quite simply put: "You do err, not knowing the scriptures." Reject the New Testament if you want to, but if you read the Old testament, you'll find Jesus throughout. Isaiah 53 or Psalm 22 would be good places to start.

[kudosdc]

Believe what you want. This stuff is nutty. I think modern humanity should avoid following the path of ancient and ignorant prophecies.

[murjr]

If you want to discuss the issue you will have to be more specific. Labeling something or someone as "nutty" is not helpful. It would be nice if we could forget everything that has gone on before us but if you think that what is "modern" has no connection to what is "ancient" you have some reading to do. As far as the ancients being ignorant, perhaps you should gaze on the pyramids and read some ancient manuscripts. Just because we have microwaves doesn't mean we are superior intellectually.

[SendWtoMars]

It's nutty in the same sense that so many fundamentalists are nutty. Spokesmen acting like they have a better, divine connection to god preach their scripture, written centuries ago by other mere mortals practicing power over illiterate minions. Why aren't you Muslim, or Taliban? Because you grew up in the USA. What makes you better than them? Luck? God's will/predestination? Will you ever say "God Bless Everyone", instead of just "God Bless US"? (I'll bet Jesus would have, at least in spirit.)

[kudosdc]

I never said forget. It is an objective fact that, aside from a dash of insight into human nature, the folks who wrote the bible were clueless as to the nature of their own world. If I had a microwave when the bible was written, the new testament would be about ME!

[murjr]

A "dash" of in sight? Job is perhaps the oldest book in the world and I think most people who know what's in it would say it shows a tad more than a dash of insight into human nature, which by the way, hasn't changed since it was written. "Clueless?" Moses wrote at least the first five books. Heard of him? Trained in the finest schools in Egypt to be Pharoah. I think they knew a bit about their world: Physics, Mathematics, Astronomy, principles of archetecture, language, commerce. . .

[patrickholmstock]

Your not very bright are you?

[SendWtoMars]

Eschatologists just KILL me!!

[SendWtoMars]

"Judgement, you can't miss it."

Wow, that's what's scary... the conviction that death in the name of your particular god's "judgement" is understandable. And the conviction that only WE BELIEVERS can know what god wants, and how he judges. You people who just know it all "in your heart"... I challenge you to talk to our enemies who use the same excuses and conviction in their heart for killing.

[murjr]

SMW, I'm not sure who or what you are responding to, but you are making some amazing assumptions. We don't have the room here to exchange shotgun blasts of points we want to make. If you would actually like an exchange of ideas it might be helpful to choose one point at a time. It also might be helpful to try to control the tone of the discussion so it remains an exchange of ideas and genuine challenges rather than personal attacks; bumper-sticker type invectives are not really profitable.

[SendWtoMars]

Agreed; can't cover all that here. Should we each choose 1 main point for now?

What gives anyone the right to claim to know what "God's Judgement" is? This reminds me of the "God Hates Fags" nut claiming that Katrina was god's wrath on New Orleans. What if I claim that floods in the midwest were god's wrath caused by gay marriage laws in MA or CA? When one acts as if they have special knowledge of what god wants, you can imagine how *anything* good, or terrible can be justified "in god's name"

[murjr]

Yes it would be presumptious for anyone to claim that God is exercising his "judgement" in any one event. You are right that often we can not know the mind of God regarding specific events. We can know His mind insofar as He has chosen to reveal it in His word. For instance, it is not His will that we commit murder. Also, it is also clear from Job that the innocent suffer, and else where that it rains both on the evil and the good. It is enough for us to know that He has a plan and purpose.

[SendWtoMars]

Thanks. I'm realizing now that this is the only point I really care about insofar as how this church might influence Palin, to "know" what God wants. I still think Palin is saying she's hearing God tell her what to do for/to the rest of us.

The rest of what I said was in anger, and in reaction to how Bush and current republicans really don't care about other opinions. Instead of uniting us, they demonize us. In fact, when Obama strives to be nice and respectful of others, they call him "weak".

[patrickholmstock]

Your not very well informed are you. Obama favors infanticide. Watch Youtube ...Obamacide video. Also watch the speach where he admits his muslim background. He also is a racist and hates America. You need to see past the "I have a dream" speach and get a grip on reality. He has never served his country and was not even born in America. He said my mother and father met at the Alabama March in 65. He was born in 61. He is a liar also. Look and open your eyes you blind people get a grip!

[anhuly]

And I guess you supported to save the unborn child but would commit murder in the name of OIL and CONTROL. Like IRAQ and Vietnam. Do you know that people are still being killed because of American unexploded carpet bomb since the Vietnam war even in country like Laos and Cambodian because of your brave solders cannot fight like man and have to drop carpet bombs in a hope of killing any thing in it way.

[SendWtoMars]

Holy Cow! I just saw a youtube video showing him eating dead babies, too! (Say, your sew well informed and spellz so gud and egucated, tell us, is the holocaust fake two?)

[Paulleahs]

Obama does not hate America and I realized that you are the racist one and If McCain is elected than you will lose your Job and Home because McCain wants to make Bush Tax Cuts Permanent which will ruin the Economy like it did in Reagan days and its ruining the Economy right now because Bush has the tax cuts on right now and John McCain is a Muslim because he has a Adopted Muslim Daughter from Muslim country called Bangladesh and Obama is a Christian and he went to a Church for 20 years

[kudosdc]

Dude, Grip this:

Obama was born in Hawaii, one of the 50 United States of America. McCain was born in PANAMA!

[badgerboy3444]

u r a piece of shit. first of all, dont believe everything you hear you right wing ass. obama was born in america. unless hawaii has succeeded from the union he is full blooded american. panama is not part of america and THAT IS WHERE MCCAIN WAS BORN!!! you need to get a grip on reality my friend. he grew up in kansas with a white mother. his father is not muslim. his father is AFRICAN. not MUSLIM. barack obama is not a muslim name. fact and look it up. get a grip you dick.

[ShogaNinja]

He sounds like a fanatic to me just like everyone in that church...speaking in tongues. Creationism. If I were Jesus I would be smoking blunts in a hot tob, I wouldn't come to this stinking shithole planet full of greed and despair. WAKE UP. Jesus won't save Christians or Jews, Christian and Jews will save themselves or die. It's about time we held ourselves accountable for the future of mankind not some invisible imaginary benefactor who is gonna make it all better. Grow up, be accountable.

[taymalik4718]

To Frosty369

It is fine that you don't support Barack Obama, but it is funny that you could listen to Sarah Palin's pastor talk about Jews and you ignore what he said about you. I find that crazy. You are intitled to your opinion, but call it far on both sides. You probably were not going to vote for barack anyway. America is not ready for a black president and obviously you are not either. Barack is not responsible for what comes out of the mouths of others.

[osiris33]

Please, how could any Jew vote for a freak like Palin. She is crazy, hear this out.

[BoomerNavy70]

So tell me, what does it say in the NRA rules and regulations about shotgun weddings at this church?.....LOL

[CelebritySickos]

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I WAS READY to Support SARAH and JOHN... I'm telling you Sarah, (or Sarah's camp), you better listen up right now. If you do not denounce this guy Brickner, and clear yourself NOW, you are going to lose TOO many votes and the confidence your voters currently have in you. Sarah... denounce this guy FAST, I'm telling you... I bashed Barack for staying with WRIGHT all these years... I'm on the verge of supporting ALAN KEYES for his consistency on his views and morals..

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[milkyman04]

Frosty, I agree as a jew why would you ever vote for a democrate, when you can have the Neocons and thier war machine used against your enemies. When you can send in American soldiers to die for your holy war against the Islamic nations. That is the reason Lieberman has moved to the Right he sees that if the neocons lose the house the war wil end thus his hopes of the death to Isreals enemies will end.

[slj4]

She could resign & get out of McCains way; He could then sob about losing her; & ask Mitt Romney.She does not like the Jewish people.

[D3g1532]

"Barack knows what it means to be a black man to be living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people. Hillary can never know that. Hillary ain't never been called a nigger."

-Famous quote of Barack Obama's pastor

[ME8976]

yes, but was she ever called a cracker, aha :)

[luvpolitics]

funny how your quoting barck's pastor and NOT barack?! its a good thing rev. wright is running for president and not obama...

you stupid fuck

[FROSTY369]

As a Jew I cant see how any Jew can vote for Obama:

Mr. Obama attended Reverend Wrong's church for 20 years, therefore Obama either

1. Agrees with Rev Wrong & Farrakhan and is a closet Jew and America hater

2. He sacrificed his children to Rev Wrong's "alter of hate" for political reasons making him a sleazy politician or

3. He has a single digit IQ and it took 20 years to figure out what Rev Wrong is all about.

What other reason besides #1, 2 or 3 did Obama go to Rev Wrong's church? Anyone?

[Crucifuck]

Your not Jewish and you are worse than slime for pretending you are to promote your evil agenda.

[youneverknow33]

they're idiots. plain and simple. separation of church and state....or not.

[tbdiddler7]

thank you for sharing this anti-Semitism. can never forget!

[D3g1532]

"GOD DAMN AMERICA!"

-Famous quote of Barack Obama's pastor

[kudosdc]

Wright vs. Brickner:

Brickner sounds provocative when his sermon really is batshit crazy. Wright sounds batshit crazy when his sermon is really just provocative.

You don't like what Wright says. It's politically incorrect and the GOP is all about political correctness these days.

[Crucifuck]

"God will not be mocked...we make God mad" Pat Robertson "God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve."

Jerry Falwell

I wonder who supports these guys and who they support. OH YA MCBUSH/PALLIN!

[livejaz]

anyone got a video of her walking out, frowning or nodding?

[Srhandel]

Jeremiah Wright has defended the Palestinians in his sermons. In my opinion Israel has some problems. Look at what they are doing in Gaza. No one is allowed to say anything about Israel in this country, you have to go to alternate media to get a different view. They call you anti-semitic.

[burosh]

Sarah Pailn will save the Jews from themselves. God Hath Commanded It:

GET THEE TO BOCA RATON, SARAH PALIN, AND SAVE THE JEWS. SAVE THE JEWS!!!

[oliveloafe]

can we get a version of this without the distracting text commentary?

[enombre]

Adios Florida and Nevada...

[TheNarniaLampPost]

Noting out of place with this...normal sermon ! God Bless America.

[insouciantlad]

At 2:04...that is when Florida was lost.

[XskertsoX]

Very offensive...Rev Wright all over again and not pretty.

[pancholordofthecouch]

Will the media report this like they did Rev Wright?

[enombre]

If they don't then watch for a 527 to form in Florida if it looks close and blast this idiot all over the tv. Just desserts for the 96 loop of Reverend Wright.

[iceprincess0966]

No, they won't. Americans who don't get their news from the internet will never hear about this. CNN is still talking about her like she's the best thing that ever happened to women and our country, even after the past several days of learning terribl things about her. It makes me feel sick. The people of America are being lied to over and over again.

[iceprincess0966]

er... that was supposed to be a reply to the question of whether media will cover this like they did Rev. Wright.

[nscack3]

Offensive

[DaveAndFrank1]

This is what happens when you forget to vet

[TCMO99]

She now has her own "Rev. Wright" problem

[rodelero2]

She is done, mccain better pick another VP