Please do a little reading and research that is not biased, hearsay or conjecture nor based on prejudicial rhetoric that is not relevant to the topic. You are only displaying the limitations of your own knowledge and ability to reason, For those of you that need it in plain English, Stop being so ignorant and start educating yourself don't be led by other idiots that have an agenda.
So how long did it take Muhammad to find out it was the angel Gabriel? Dosen't Gabriel always tells people after appearing, "fear, not" instead of grabbing them by the throat?
Yes exactly and why would Gabriel lie and deny JESUS when He where the 1 who told Miriyam she would give birth to JESUS CHRIST, does this so-called Gabriel ever introduce himself or did some 1 else tell muhammad that it probably where Gabriel
“But even if we (or an angel from heaven) should preach a Gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be condemned to hell!” (Galatians 1:8).
Mohammad did not preach the same message of Christ. Mohammad was a false prophet! ;-)
“But even if we (or an angel from heaven) should preach a Gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be condemned to hell!” (Galatians 1:8).
Mohammad did not preach the same message of Christ. Mohammad was a false prophet! ;-)
I don't understand what you mean? Why would Gabriel ask muhammad to read when he should had known that muhammad couldn't read and by the look of it Gabriel was the 1 reading not muhammad so what's your point
@hannahr77 Because Iqra has 2 meanings, read and recite. Muhammad, in the shock, Peace be upon him, thought the angel was telling him to read. He replied, "I am not learned" - something along those lines. Then after the first few revelations he clearly understood that the Angel Gabriel PBUH meant Recite, in the name of your Lord.
Does taqiyya also 2 meanings and by the way it was a dream he had in the godforsaken cave, muhammad knew how to read and write and what should he recite the angle never told him what he should recite, use your GOD GIVEN brain how can you recite when you don’t know what to recite, or read for that matter
I don't think so, muhammad had a dream that scared the hell out of him he ran home to his wife and asked her to cover him and this is suposse to be from GOD give me a break
@hannahr77 Well if you call it a dream then fair dooos! The fact is the Qur'an sets VARIOUS challenges to the Non-Believers on how to disprove it, so go check them out and complete the challenges! You can start by trying to write a single chapter as good as one from the Qur'an ;-)
Muhammad was known as Al-Ameen, the most trustworthy, before he became a prophet. He always used to pray and seek God. Are you trying to tell me that God allowed him to be possesed after seeking him? I dont think so.
what exactly does Al-Ameen means, is it the same as AMEN? And yes muhammad himself admit to being demon possessed and that's a fact from your own book no go and read both of them, and by saying you don’t believe that he where demon possessed only shows that you have no knowledge of your prophet, and should I write in arabic
@hannahr77 No Amen is different loll. Al-Ameen literally means the most trustworthy - the honest one. No Muhammad in the very beginning feared he may have been possessed (Look how honest the man is, Subhanallah!) so he ran back to his wife. Remember that the first man EVER to confirm Muhammad as a prophet from God was a Christian, and the first man to recognize him as a prophet was also a Christian - and that was when he was a child!
@hannahr77 Of course! Waraka Ibn- Nawfal is the main one I'm not sure about the other guy, look him up though. Just search for the guy who knew he was a prophet at a YOUNG AGE during a journey with a caravan.
Monotheists arguing over who is right about all the same stuff said in a different way. I'm shocked. " Then God/Yahweh/Allah said Thou shalt not kill, but those guys worship someone other than me, so go kill them."
Fuck all three Abrahamic religions, you are just a disease of the soul.
the greater sign which was come to Moses is coming now and they will not believe him , harm him, and they will driving away and fight him! if i realized that day i will support Allah's victory, and he approached from the Mohamed and kissed his head,and he died before Islam's appear!and he was the first one tell to Prophet about his prophethood.
waraqa bin noufal not became Cristian,but he was already Cristian before the revelation come down to mohamed !and he was one of the scholars of the bible
waraqa said to mohamed when he go to him and ask about what he see in the cave of haira , by the name of who the soul of waraqa in his hand "You are the Prophet of this nation,
@believergod3 Waraquah was a Catholic and the Church of Rome used him to deceive Muhammed that he was a prophet. The Catholic Church wanted Jerusalem and they wanted to use Muhammed to achieve their goal; that is why until today both Islam and the Catholic Church hate Jews passionately. Muhammed was a false prophet and he deceived people into accepting his demonic message. For denying Jesus as saviour he shall be damned. But you still have hope. Repent today and accept Jesus as saviour.
look even at first when so claled angle choked mohamed proof that he was a demon koran is false no relegion in the world kills non muslim onley muslims kill leave while you have the chance your sould will slowley burn in hell if not period
best ever its that the demon gabriel dont sya an angel we have proof now thats a lie gabriel was one fallen angles from heaven thrown out from paradise with the devil people how dont know devil was working with body souls in heaven but he wanted to rebel against jesus then secuirty guards of angles nr 1 best angel mikael fighted so claeed the dragon in bilbe and he was throwed out from heaven with follower some other angels also rebbeld against jesus one of the angel was gabriel that mohamed
im a grown man. you think sitting on thighs and laps , moaning , are proof of anything?the test of weather a beings a demon or angel is sitting on diff parts of a womans leg? this is hardly an explanation of anything. its rediculous.
This ignorant story proves that Muhammad was a Schizophrenic! Nice story.....btw I also met god on the Eagle Rock and he told me that Muhammad was an asshole who raped, maimed, looted, enslaved men and women alike.......
@Godshoulddie Ate a mushroom and had a pschodelic experience nothing more? You know I dont know what is worse the fact you're actually that nieve to post such a comment or the fact that 3 people actually liked it. That mushroom must've had one heck of a dictionary don't you think? If it was able to turn an illiterate desert nomad into a person with so much eloquence in his speech. Divine act is all it could've been.
that angel was satanic.. all angels in the Bible always came and said "do not be afraid" or "peace unto you" But this angel that came to muhammad did't say that but instead he pressed muhammad so hard that he thought he was going to die.. muhammad was terrified.. but muslims will never question these things except for a few who dare to question and look critical to their belief
@JesusOrMuhammad well, 'historical documents' that condone (at the very least) rape, murder, incest and slavery perhaps may be best thrown away - some might say.
@andthereisntone no, mr smarty pants because i know my Bible.. i know full well what God condones and commanded.. Ever heard of the 10 commandments? anyway.. go bother someone else please
@JesusOrMuhammad the 10 commandments are in the old testament, which is full of many many other commandments... a lot of which you would probably find quite disgusting, if you are a moral person.
i would be happy to give you chapter and verse so that you can look them up for yourself.. if you are interested.
@andthereisntone Idiot.. why would i be interested if i already know what u gonna bring up? u might find it disgusting how God punished people but since u dont believe God exist then u also dont believe God punished people.. God gave us the commandments which we all should obey and if everyone obeyed them the world would be a much better place..
@andthereisntone what disgusting things? If u dont believe that God said it then what does it matter? u dont believe in God so what does it matter what he said? But if God did say those things then he exists and u better start believing in him
@JesusOrMuhammad 'Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.'" (1 Samuel 15:3)
...do you agree that child genocide would make the world a better place?
@andthereisntone This is what i meant when i said ur a idiot.. How does God's punishment of Amalek have anything to do with us today? The commandments of God to not kill or steal etc and the commandments of Jesus to love ur neighbore are for all times and for all of us.. But God's punishment for the wicked in the past were only for a specific time and place.. so dont come here with ur nonsens ok?
@JesusOrMuhammad ah, isee, so at that time and place child genocide was the correct and moral course of action. can you, personally, think of another situation where you, personally, would condone child genocide?
@JesusOrMuhammad Deuteronomy 7:1-2 When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations . . . then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.
...'destroy them totally/show no mercy' ...that would of course totally contravene the geneva convention. do you think its moral advice?
@andthereisntone Today we still execute serial killers.. is that moral ? When God choose to punish the wicked immoral people for their sinful lives after he had warned them and gave them enough time to stop their wickedness then yes Gods punishments were moral and just.. and since He is our creator he has the right to punish His creation
@andthereisntone When God cleanse the land from wickedness he has to cleanse it well.. don't u think? But again God punishments were for a specific time, place and people.. we are not commanded to kill anyone we are commanded to love everyone
@JesusOrMuhammad well, just stay away from my children. if you truly believe that child genocide is EVER a correct and moral course of action then you are apparently a dangerous and disgusting person. shame on you.
@andthereisntone i am gonna eat ur little children andthereisntone! haha
Hey its not ur school teacher who commanded to cleanse the land it was THE CREATOR.. and the creator knew that children would continue to keep following into the wicked behaviour of their parents.. thats why the land was cleansed.. and again God gave us the 10 commandments u ignorant lunatic
@JesusOrMuhammad you just stay far away from my (and all) children. it seems your mind has been twisted to accept even the most disgusting of commandments, as long as they come from 'God', and are in a 4-5,000 year old book.
@andthereisntone No shame on u! u obviously ignore the fact that God has given us the commandments which included not to kill, rape or steal and christians are also to follow Jesus teachings.. so u don't have to be afraid of someone like me to hurt ur children.. but i do think they would feel good in my belly.. lol
@JesusOrMuhammad you know there are some who say that the reason God commanded such apparently vile and horrific actions thousands of years ago was because that's how men in the middle east used to think and act. whereas now only psychopathic mass murders would ever condone such acts.
@JesusOrMuhammad ah, and it's just coincidental that at that time God felt, when 'inspiring' the bible, just like some of the men at that time, that these horrific acts were moral and justified. but now God, just like the people, doesn't feel like that, huh.
@JesusOrMuhammad yes exactly - i don't think it's coincidental. of course men wrote the bible inspired exactly by the prevailing morals and behaviour in that part of the world during the bronze age.
morals and behaviour that no one in their right mind would condone today. for example 'cleansing' an area by killing all the children.
if a god EVER commanded such acts then he is certainly a far less moral person than i.
@andthereisntone "by the prevailing morals and behaviour in that part of the world during the bronze age"
The same morals that our law of today is based on.. u my friend want ur cake and eat it too.. u want to condemn God's punishments & in the same breath argue that God does not exist and therefore that the Bible is not inspired by God.. I look at it this way.. If God indeed has punished his creation as the Bible tells us then i have to accept it.. and u have a problem for not believing him
@JesusOrMuhammad 'The same morals that our law of today is based on' ..reread all the bible quotations i posted earlier. and think whether your above statement is true.
i, for one, would not want to live in a world where it were true. and i (and almost everyone in the world now) am FAR more moral than the God which you think so highly of.
@andthereisntone What u my friend don't want to understand, is that there is a difference in the morals that God gave us and His punishments.. u are a bit confused i think.. those verses speak about Gods punishments not of the morals He gave us.. Well so u are suggesting that God should not have ordered to kill also the children but only the parents? If God would have done that then those children would have grown up with no parents.. how moral would that have been?
@andthereisntone Oh and u my friend dont even have the right to bring up what is moral and what is not because according to u morals dont even exist.. there are no morals and good or evil according to u atheists.. if a group of rapists would go live with eachother in a town and rape eachother for their own pleassure then u could not even condemn their behaviour.. But God already condemned it for us
@JesusOrMuhammad 1. 'because according to u morals dont even exist'
...i have never said that.
2. if you found out tomorrow that god doesn't actually exist, would you then go out and rape someone?
p.s. a joke for you...
in the U.S. the education policy is 'No child left behind'. the catholic church has had a similar policy for a very long time, 'No child's behind left'.
@andthereisntone 2. Good question the answer is that i think to rape a beautiful woman could be enjoyable for people but because we decided that we don't want people to rape woman in our law thats why many people are not going to rape.. but who is to say if raping woman is truely right or wrong? why would that be wrong if it gives the rapist great pleasure? u have morals only in the law but if we throw away the law u dont have those morals any longer
@JesusOrMuhammad we have morals because we humans evolved in groups, societies. if we naturally thought that rape, murder and genocide etc were ok then our species would have become extinct a very long time ago.
we learned very quickly that such things as murder, while they may be enjoyable to some, harm the group as a whole, and therefore they are intrinsically immoral, and become illegal.
@andthereisntone Ofcourse but u cannot say that raping or stealing is good or wrong / evil.. a rapist can argue with u that raping is good.. then u would have no arguement against him.. if u think raping a woman is bad and a rapist tells u no its good, then who is to say that the rapist is bad for thinking that raping is good ?
@JesusOrMuhammad are you saying that you really need a God to tell you that raping and violating another person is wrong? without having read a holy book would you not know that? (the same holy book where God often hands out horrific punishments - (death is worse than rape)).
by the way, there are many cultures in the world who have never read the bible, the koran, or any other bronze age book. and they somehow manage to figure out that rape, murder, genocide etc damage their societies.
@andthereisntone the fact that it might damage a society doesnt mean that it is morally wrong thats what im trying to make u realise.. my point stands, if u are sitting on a table with a rapist and u say raping is bad and he says no its good.. then who are u to condemn the rapist for thinking that it is good?
@JesusOrMuhammad who am I? i'm the person who knows without (or in spite of) reading a holy book that such acts as rape, murder and child genocide are wrong.
...who are you?
now, have the guts to answer the rape question i've asked you 3 times.
...IF you found out tomorrow that there was no God. would you go out and rape someone?
@andthereisntone "i'm the person who knows without (or in spite of) reading a holy book that such acts as rape, murder and child genocide are wrong."
ur using circular reasoning.. just because the majority of ppl in a society agree that raping is wrong doesnt make it wrong.. only for the people themselves who believe its wrong.. if close the supermarket tommorow for a few months would it then be ok to kill our neighbores in order to steal their last food supply?
@andthereisntone God did not have to pay for our sins, but he did because he loved us! He could have just let us die and go to hell. We could never give God enough for him to save us from hell HE is Absolute and perfect when you sin against God you deseverve hell and he would have to punish it because he is a just God! Even if we sacraficed our lives God said it would not be enough to pay him back who is all eternal. Only God can restore our relationship back to him! Which is Jesus the Word!
...so therefore god (an immortal) came down down to earth as jesus and 'sacrificed' himself to himself to wipe our sins IF we believe in him?
that's the most ridiculous (and immoral) thing i've ever heard. i don't need (or would ever want) blood sacrifices of gods temporary physical bodies in order to pay off my sins. if i wrong a person i must make amends with them myself somehow. in other words, it is (and must be) my responsibility.
@andthereisntone No! Jesus came down and Sacrificed himself for us! God did not save himself! We were the ones that needed to be saving. God loves us unconditionally though we are evil sinners. Jesus died for the whole world even the worst sinner. Since it was the body that caused sin, sin had to die in the body! When you do wrong someone has to pay! Jesus, the living word of God, who has no sin, had to die for us! The Word of God and God are one. Jesus is worthy to be worshiped he created us!
@andthereisntone Lets say a person wants to live in a big city and rape every once in a while because that makes him happy.. doesnt that rapist have the right to happiness as everyone else?
@JesusOrMuhammad pps. i have simply stated, often, that my morals, and those of the vast majority of present day humankind, are FAAAR better than those of your bronze age god.
@JesusOrMuhammad Leviticus 20:13 ? "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."
@JesusOrMuhammad Exodus 21:20-21 If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.
@JesusOrMuhammad Hosea 13:16 - "16 The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open."
Mar 9:20 And they brought him unto him: and when he saw him, straightway the spirit tare him; and he fell on the ground, and wallowed foaming.
Mar 9:25 When Jesus saw that the people came running together, he rebuked the foul spirit, saying unto him, [Thou] dumb and deaf spirit, I charge thee, come out of him, and enter no more into him.
14When they came to the crowd, a man approached Jesus and knelt before him. 15"Lord, have mercy on my son," he said. "He has seizures and is suffering greatly. He often falls into the fire or into the water. 16I brought him to your disciples, but they could not heal him." 18Jesus rebuked the demon, and it came out of the boy, and he was healed from that moment.
only DEMONS CAUSE PAIN PEOPLE that is WHY JESUS HAD TO REBUKE Them
and you need to understand that we don't believe that Angels can have sex with women , In fact....we don't even believe in Fallen Angels !!! No Angel disobeys God....Satan is a different case though .
10And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever
See Satan's religion HAS ALSO ONE PROPHET just like islam.
All prophets in Bible Worshipped YHWH. NO one was worshpping allah.
14The wild beasts of the desert shall also meet with the wild beasts of the island, and the satyr shall cry to his fellow; the screech owl also shall rest there, and find for herself a place of rest.
I WENT TO BIBLEGateway ( very Respectable Resource AMONG CHRISTIANS has Bibles in almost ALL MAJOR LANGUAGES) AND I DIDN'T SEE NO NSRV . KJV is the oldest BIBLE TRANSLATION TO ENGLISH IN THE WORLD.
The oldest english Bible is: The first English Bible was completed in the late 1300's by John Wyclif, an Oxford instructor in religion and philosophy. Condemned by the church, it lasted in the underground for some 150 years.
bottom line is, Christ staed God sent him, God was greater than him, and that God is his Lord, therefore, this is proof Christ was a Muslim(slave of God)< and a prophet, he said he ws a slave of God, said he was only speaking for God, so we are right. thereby, iti s also proven since God sent him, clearly God didnt send himself, and none is greater than God, he is not God. point is, the emperor constantine was pagan and christian both, he incorporated paganry into Christianity. this is history.
11I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name—the name you gave me—so that they may be one as we are one.
So let me comment on the video for a sec , If what Muhammad saw was not an angel because the "angel" applied physical pressure on him , and its not the characteristic of an angel , can someone please explain why does the bible say that Angels can have sex with women in Genesis 6:4 ??? Rachid and his lying pack of snakes....
so ? you call this argument ?? I proved using your own bible that angels can do physical pressure as we Muslims believe , and the angel didn't "strangle" him , he embraced him , and Angels can do that , and let me tell you straight forward , No Muslim give a rats ass about the history of Angels in the bible , so this argument falls by itself....this episode of daring Question is LAME !!
and weather they are angels who "ABANDONED THEIR HEAVENLY POSTS " they are STILL ANGELS.
So let me get this straight , in the bible the Angels contacted Lot and his family , the Angels contacted Abraham , and Angels can cause physical pressure since they can eat food....etc
I told you , nobody gives a rats ass about your bible account of Angels , any book that says Angels can have sex with Women & Angels can eat isn't a trust worthy book .
and read the story of the 1st revelation , the Angel embarrassed Muhammad because he was scared.
Actually it was GOD and Angels who came to see Abraham.
Rev 1
8"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God
17When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: "Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. 18I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.
But angels came down to earth , had sex with women and made them carry giants (book of genesis) , how lovely !! the bible is amazing !!
and in 1 Corinthians 11 , Paul tells women to cover their heads , in verse 10 it says " because of the angels the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head." , even Paul believed that Angels can have sex with women ! thats why he told them to cover their heads , so the angels won't come down and rape them.
This also can refer back to the demon Lillith , a woman created before eve ! according to the bible too , Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them."
a few verses later we read about the creation of eve from adam , I want to know who this WOMAN is in Genesis 1:27 ?
if this is wrong then why is she mentioned BY NAME in Isaiah 34:14, which reads, "there too Lilith shall repose."
In the later bible translations , like always , THEY CHANGED THE BIBLE to make the word Lilith into "night owl" , many theologians believe that Paul also made a reference to her since he asked women to wear veils , because according to the legend AT THE TIME , Lilith can't attack veiled women.
there are tons of myths in the bible , even connections to midrash and gnostic myths BY REFERENCE...book of god indeed.
You want proof the bible is changed ? EASY ! refute this if you can...
1- Where is the assention of Christ ? the trinity (John 5:7) ? why were they thrown out as fabrications ?
2- How did mark 16 : 9-20 find its way in the bible?
these are just normal claims .
How did the people in the counsel of Nicea know which books are from god and which are not ? and why did they quote verses from deleted books ? I really want to know how they did that , because it doesn't make any sense at all !
The quote in (Jude 14-15) , is actually from thrown biblical book called the "book of Enoch"(1 Enoch 1:9) why did Jude quote that ? simple , because the old testament in front of him is DIFFERENT from the one you have ! he believed this book is from God , and you claim this man was inspired to write by the holy spirit , so isn't the the book of Enoch from god ? unless the holy spirit quotes thrown out books he didn't write.
and the manuscript evidence is actually evidence against the bible rather than for it ! according to Bart D. Ehrman , there are NO 2 manuscripts alike , the scribes were copying and make errors all time , for every manuscript that proves the bible , there are 4 that contradict it .
and basically all you guys have is copies of copies of copies of copies of copies....and you still believe the book wasn't changed ?
The hand writing of "manuscripts" show that only 6% of them were written before the 9th century , so we have 94% of writings after the the events by a number of centuries (8-9( , can you guarantee me these writings are the same ? No one can , not even the scholars agree , because when comparing them side by side , they found 20,000-30,000 errors.
The bible shows paralleled similarities between it and the Book of the dead , The Gilgamesh code & Sumerian Codex
Also, I would like solid sources that are non-aetheistic sources which show that the Bible is corrupt. And many of these pagan arguments have been brutally shot down. People can even make the argument that the Qur'an is from paganism.
My friend, I never said the BIble follow pagan rituals. You did. I was saying that just as easily as you make the pagan about the Bible, I could make the same claim about the Qur'an. I could say Muhammad worshipped a Moon God. I don't know... but i COULD say that.
Just to make it clear , many Christians who have some logic in their heads , and not just Hans Küng , believe that the bible is corrupted or corruption found its way into it , but to say that the whole thing is divine is CRAZY , in the end it contains the message of salvation (which you want not me) , so to these Jesus believing people (you know , that he god, died on the cross...etc) , the bible isn't even divine in its nature , its human and he has his proof .
So in summary , I claimed that the bible in front of some people back in the day was different than what you have (Jude and Enoch) , I have more examples , I showed you that the bible supports Midrash and Ancient Myths BY NAME , like the myth of Lillith & the giants ,there are many more , I can present them.
I showed that verses have been taken out and in the bible.
The so called "Archeological Evidence" and "manuscripts" is nothing but a trick.
If you have sins on your soul, even one, you cannot enter paradise. You must be 100% spirtually cleansed. Not a single sin may enter Heaven. This is why Jesus Christ's suffering, death and ressurrection make sense. Through Him we are cleansed and can join Him in paradise.
"If you have sins on your soul, even one, you cannot enter paradise. You must be 100% spirtually cleansed. Not a single sin may enter Heaven."
I dont believe this theory , this comes from your christian background , to me everyone sins , sin is a part of us , the only way to get to heaven is to allow your righteousness to exceed your sin .
Once you succeed in that , then you may enter heaven , and God will "cleanse" your soul
No. Because you will still have sin on your soul. God cannot overlook sin, nor does He want.
Also correct me if I"m wrong, but Bart Ehrman is an atheist? ... so he discredit's islam as well? Hans Kung is a Christian? So both of your sources discredit Islam... I find that strange.
Again , this is from your christian background , I'm not a christian .
"o both of your sources discredit Islam" , who does that work ? did any of these 2 actually did any work on Islam ? you want me to quote MUSLIMS about the bible ? I quoted you a christian , and a scientist of great repute , and btw why didn't any christian refute Bart yet ??
I guess you were there to see with your own eyes its the demon. And angels supposedly to be wearing a white suit with glossy teeth and smiles and hugs and kisses happy and all that shit. hahahahaha... get fucked..
muhammed saw a devil. he worshiped the devil, accepted what the devil had promised to give him in exchange for his worship. to keep his part of the deal, muhammed then sat down and began to write the lies in the koran and spread this lie around the world. Satan has power and he fully supports those who are willing to cooperate with him.
truly sad. you should be ashaemd for yourself doign the devil's work and blaspheming against Allah(swt) and His Messenger. as the Bible says, the devil cannot divide himself against himself, the holy Qur'an taught the singularity of God, that He aloen was to be worshipped, that we were to believe in God, our Creator, and do good deeds in His name, and abstain from bad ones, this is Islam, only the devil could accuse such righteousness of being bad.
How come non-muslims are daring enough to say bad words about a person who is believed to be a Prophet (SAW) by about 1.5 billion of world population... and remarkably none of muslims can dare to say a bad word about other prophets... It cant be individual muslim response! Proves superiority of Muslims... :)
I fear for those christians/jews who say bad words about Muhammad (SAW) coz you guys do believe in day of judgement and salvation! Dont you? Good luck coz thats your only hope if at all!
Fear God , Keep the Commandments , and salvation is yours , this is what Solomon preached in the bible , In fact that is what Jesus Preached , humans are weak ,God wants us to make the effort to heaven , if you fall,repent and try again,God will recognize ur effort , he is the most forgiving
God never sacrificed anyone on some cross , that is the most grotesque and pagan idea I've ever heard ! In fact over the last period of 5 years raised evidence that the crucifixion many have never happened.
You see though, "Fearing God and doing good deeds" cannot earn you salvation and spirtually cleanse you of your sins. God is just. He cannot simply over-see sins, a penalty must be paid. If i rob a bank, and then I say, "oh don't send me to jail, ill just go and give some money to poor people"... That will not be just. A penalty must be paid.
Yes I agree , God is just , did you ever have the chance to see the hadiths about the scale and how God will judge people ? read them and leave back a comment.
I agree with you on this , God must be just.
But salvation doesn't come through accepting man slaughter on a cross either, "spiritually cleanse you of your sins" , how about gods forgiveness , I like that , isn't it enough ? where did you get this lame Idea from ? bible brainwashing perhaps.
There is lots of scientific and historical evidence that actually demonstrates the BIble's validity. It contains tons and tons of valid references to history, Many prophecies in the Old Testament which were fulfilled in the New Testament, and the scientific claims that it has made that have been proven right.
and just so you know Hans Kung says the following about the Quran : "No where does the books of the New testament ever claim to fall from heaven , no , it actually emphases on its human nature , unlike the Quran which is an error less book , that should be recognized as a miracle" , so he doesn't discredit me..
My friend , the same can be said about the Quran in the same terms , and by the way , if prophecy is test , then what should we do with the false prophecies in the bible ?
You only believe the Qur'an to be errorless because you are told to believe it is errorless.
In those story of Moses in the Qur'an it speaks of cricifixion. that Pharaoh's magicians believed in the God of Moses. Pharaoh angrily responds by threatening to crucify these magicians. The Koran 12:41...
No , actually I'm a convert to Islam , I believe its error less because it is actually is , I tried to find errors in it , thats why I became a Muslim
and you are mistaken , the cross and crucifixion existed at those times and even before.
The Cross was the pagan sign of the Star gods worshiped in Eygpt , and crucifixion existed as punishment , proof ?? they have 7 Gods (Horus is the most famous) who where crucified and died for for our sins (hmmmm) , read any Egyptian mythology book .
Proof? It's in encyclopedias and there is tons of historical and archaeological evidence to support it. It began by the Assyrians in 519 BC. And you've been watching too much Zeitgeist and atheistic articles. You need to begin to question the validity of what you read. I used to be an agnostic, and believe these things that you believe, but then I realized a lot of it is false.
No , I actually lived in eygpt , I know this stuff , and I actually saw the tablets in the museums , and the scientists confirm what I just said , what more do I need ? and my bro studies this for a living .
Actually , I think you need to start to question the validity of what you read , what you read doesn't make any sense , seek the truth.
Scientists confirmed what? That crucifixion existed during the time of Moses? They can't because it did not exist then. 0 evidence showing crucifixion existed before 500 BC.
Scientists confirmed what I said , because during the tour in the museum , I asked this question , they showed me the tamp lets , explained the deal , and even gave me references and archaeological evidence to support it.
and again , Did you refute Zeitgeist ?? the evidence is their favor 'till now , or do just don't accept it since it goes against what you believe ?
actually there is a video which disputes zeitgeist on youtube. I suggest you watch it. And many of the pagan gods mentioned in the Zeitgeist video are described incorrectly and have been twisted. watch "Zeitgeist Refuted" and your story about the museum means nothing to me if i dont have some kind of legitemate source.
Yeah I saw it , by KeithTruth , but when I checked his sources and did some research , he really didn't refute anything , its still stands because the fact that Roman Pagans practicing worshiping some of these Gods with Christ characteristics at that time is still historically proven and clear , I refer you to he Jesus Mysteries: Was the "Original Jesus" a Pagan God? By Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy
Please do a little reading and research that is not biased, hearsay or conjecture nor based on prejudicial rhetoric that is not relevant to the topic. You are only displaying the limitations of your own knowledge and ability to reason, For those of you that need it in plain English, Stop being so ignorant and start educating yourself don't be led by other idiots that have an agenda.
kaapie89 1 month ago
you have GOT to be kidding!!!!
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Islam is so stupid.
IF only muslims knew the truth.
Unfortunately very few actually read and understand islam, and those that do are no longer muslims.
They would rather BELIEVE than know.
They would love to be like their profit stupid and illiterate instead of learning to read and write.
sirjambo 6 months ago
@sirjambo their are two kind of true muslims who study islam and understand it well ??
1... they become terrorists
2... or they leave islam and convert to other religion...
iam the second...
tommy0784 1 week ago
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@tommy0784 "iam the second..."
So am I.
Best wishes!
sirjambo 1 week ago
So how long did it take Muhammad to find out it was the angel Gabriel? Dosen't Gabriel always tells people after appearing, "fear, not" instead of grabbing them by the throat?
MrTOTBL 9 months ago
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Yes exactly and why would Gabriel lie and deny JESUS when He where the 1 who told Miriyam she would give birth to JESUS CHRIST, does this so-called Gabriel ever introduce himself or did some 1 else tell muhammad that it probably where Gabriel
hannahr77 8 months ago
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PROOF QURAN IS NOT FROM GOD
“But even if we (or an angel from heaven) should preach a Gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be condemned to hell!” (Galatians 1:8).
Mohammad did not preach the same message of Christ. Mohammad was a false prophet! ;-)
quran137 9 months ago
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PROOF QURAN IS NOT FROM GOD
“But even if we (or an angel from heaven) should preach a Gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be condemned to hell!” (Galatians 1:8).
Mohammad did not preach the same message of Christ. Mohammad was a false prophet! ;-)
quran137 9 months ago
probably while he was shagging an infant
peppersdog1 11 months ago
READ THE VERSES OF SURATUL IQRA.The angel repeated the order: iqra! Read! as Muhammed explained he was unable to read, then Jibraeel said:
[96.1] Read in the name of your Lord Who created.
[96.2] He created man from a clot.
[96.3] Read and your Lord is Most Honorable,
[96.4] Who taught (man to write) with the pen
[96.5] Taught man what he knew not.
These are the first verses of the Quran to the Prophet. Surprising isn't it!
Many of the Prophets would go into the Mountain or desert to seek.
kaapie89 1 year ago
@kaapie89
I don't understand what you mean? Why would Gabriel ask muhammad to read when he should had known that muhammad couldn't read and by the look of it Gabriel was the 1 reading not muhammad so what's your point
hannahr77 1 year ago
@hannahr77 Because Iqra has 2 meanings, read and recite. Muhammad, in the shock, Peace be upon him, thought the angel was telling him to read. He replied, "I am not learned" - something along those lines. Then after the first few revelations he clearly understood that the Angel Gabriel PBUH meant Recite, in the name of your Lord.
ThezFad 9 months ago
@ThezFad
Does taqiyya also 2 meanings and by the way it was a dream he had in the godforsaken cave, muhammad knew how to read and write and what should he recite the angle never told him what he should recite, use your GOD GIVEN brain how can you recite when you don’t know what to recite, or read for that matter
hannahr77 9 months ago
@hannahr77 It was not a dream and he was illiterate. The Angel told him to recite so he did.
ThezFad 9 months ago
@ThezFad
I don't think so, muhammad had a dream that scared the hell out of him he ran home to his wife and asked her to cover him and this is suposse to be from GOD give me a break
hannahr77 9 months ago
@hannahr77 Well if you call it a dream then fair dooos! The fact is the Qur'an sets VARIOUS challenges to the Non-Believers on how to disprove it, so go check them out and complete the challenges! You can start by trying to write a single chapter as good as one from the Qur'an ;-)
Muhammad was known as Al-Ameen, the most trustworthy, before he became a prophet. He always used to pray and seek God. Are you trying to tell me that God allowed him to be possesed after seeking him? I dont think so.
ThezFad 9 months ago
@ThezFad
what exactly does Al-Ameen means, is it the same as AMEN? And yes muhammad himself admit to being demon possessed and that's a fact from your own book no go and read both of them, and by saying you don’t believe that he where demon possessed only shows that you have no knowledge of your prophet, and should I write in arabic
hannahr77 9 months ago
@hannahr77 No Amen is different loll. Al-Ameen literally means the most trustworthy - the honest one. No Muhammad in the very beginning feared he may have been possessed (Look how honest the man is, Subhanallah!) so he ran back to his wife. Remember that the first man EVER to confirm Muhammad as a prophet from God was a Christian, and the first man to recognize him as a prophet was also a Christian - and that was when he was a child!
ThezFad 9 months ago
@ThezFad
So maybe you could give the name of these 2 so-called Christian, and why they would lie and go against their own scriptures is beyond me
hannahr77 8 months ago
@hannahr77 Of course! Waraka Ibn- Nawfal is the main one I'm not sure about the other guy, look him up though. Just search for the guy who knew he was a prophet at a YOUNG AGE during a journey with a caravan.
ThezFad 8 months ago
The test of revelation is the context. As it is reported that Jesus said, Satan does not cast out Satan.
prismwriter 1 year ago
Monotheists arguing over who is right about all the same stuff said in a different way. I'm shocked. " Then God/Yahweh/Allah said Thou shalt not kill, but those guys worship someone other than me, so go kill them."
Fuck all three Abrahamic religions, you are just a disease of the soul.
HoundofOdin 1 year ago
the greater sign which was come to Moses is coming now and they will not believe him , harm him, and they will driving away and fight him! if i realized that day i will support Allah's victory, and he approached from the Mohamed and kissed his head,and he died before Islam's appear!and he was the first one tell to Prophet about his prophethood.
believergod3 1 year ago
waraqa bin noufal not became Cristian,but he was already Cristian before the revelation come down to mohamed !and he was one of the scholars of the bible
waraqa said to mohamed when he go to him and ask about what he see in the cave of haira , by the name of who the soul of waraqa in his hand "You are the Prophet of this nation,
believergod3 1 year ago
@believergod3 Waraquah was a Catholic and the Church of Rome used him to deceive Muhammed that he was a prophet. The Catholic Church wanted Jerusalem and they wanted to use Muhammed to achieve their goal; that is why until today both Islam and the Catholic Church hate Jews passionately. Muhammed was a false prophet and he deceived people into accepting his demonic message. For denying Jesus as saviour he shall be damned. But you still have hope. Repent today and accept Jesus as saviour.
chine62 1 year ago
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Why we marvel of Zakaria Boutros's lies on Islam! if he also distorts the bible!(english sub)
/watch?v=4fZqw93UBM8
believergod3 1 year ago
look even at first when so claled angle choked mohamed proof that he was a demon koran is false no relegion in the world kills non muslim onley muslims kill leave while you have the chance your sould will slowley burn in hell if not period
OUWATZAHLE08 1 year ago
best ever its that the demon gabriel dont sya an angel we have proof now thats a lie gabriel was one fallen angles from heaven thrown out from paradise with the devil people how dont know devil was working with body souls in heaven but he wanted to rebel against jesus then secuirty guards of angles nr 1 best angel mikael fighted so claeed the dragon in bilbe and he was throwed out from heaven with follower some other angels also rebbeld against jesus one of the angel was gabriel that mohamed
OUWATZAHLE08 1 year ago
Why we marvel of Zakaria Boutros's lies on Islam! if he also distorts the bible!(english sub)
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believergod3 1 year ago
im a grown man. you think sitting on thighs and laps , moaning , are proof of anything?the test of weather a beings a demon or angel is sitting on diff parts of a womans leg? this is hardly an explanation of anything. its rediculous.
adzug 1 year ago
Well that's me converted then.
It must be true, it was on telly and everything.
All you people that just think he was making it up, (like that bloke Smith with the Mormons thing) are wrong.
crabbygaz 1 year ago
backward people haters
jamierourketen 1 year ago
This ignorant story proves that Muhammad was a Schizophrenic! Nice story.....btw I also met god on the Eagle Rock and he told me that Muhammad was an asshole who raped, maimed, looted, enslaved men and women alike.......
foonty 1 year ago
There is no God. there is no heaven, there is no hell. Your born, you live, you die. End of story. Wishing for something does not make it so.
Wake up world!
bcm010 1 year ago
How Mohammed got his first revelation?
Come on...
An illiterate desert nomad ate a mushroom and had a psychodellic expierience...nothing more.
Godshoulddie 1 year ago 2
@Godshoulddie Ate a mushroom and had a pschodelic experience nothing more? You know I dont know what is worse the fact you're actually that nieve to post such a comment or the fact that 3 people actually liked it. That mushroom must've had one heck of a dictionary don't you think? If it was able to turn an illiterate desert nomad into a person with so much eloquence in his speech. Divine act is all it could've been.
acheaib 8 months ago
hi,
can you please do a video 'Xplaining' why mohammed married a little girl. and at what age do the 'holy books' say that he consummated the marriage?
andthereisntone 1 year ago
Mohammed fucks little girls and kills innocent people, and they call him a prophet?
IntricationZ 1 year ago
jews christians and muslims, we should not be fighting amongst ourselfs.
we are all gods people.
we should be against the unbelievers who refuse to believe in god.
Mancunian786 1 year ago
@Mancunian786 Truth matters, there is no continuity between the message of the OT and NT on the one hand and the Quran on the other.
Expeldarkness 1 year ago
Muhammad received his first revelation the minute he started reading the Jewish bible.
danny1st 1 year ago
that angel was satanic.. all angels in the Bible always came and said "do not be afraid" or "peace unto you" But this angel that came to muhammad did't say that but instead he pressed muhammad so hard that he thought he was going to die.. muhammad was terrified.. but muslims will never question these things except for a few who dare to question and look critical to their belief
JesusOrMuhammad 1 year ago
@JesusOrMuhammad jesus or mohammed? you forgot a third option: disbelief in bronze age myths.
andthereisntone 1 year ago
@andthereisntone then throw away all ancient historical documents as "myths"
JesusOrMuhammad 1 year ago
@JesusOrMuhammad well, 'historical documents' that condone (at the very least) rape, murder, incest and slavery perhaps may be best thrown away - some might say.
andthereisntone 1 year ago
@andthereisntone Bible does not condone those things liar
JesusOrMuhammad 1 year ago
@JesusOrMuhammad hmm... do you really want me to quote the bible verses for you?
andthereisntone 1 year ago
@andthereisntone no, mr smarty pants because i know my Bible.. i know full well what God condones and commanded.. Ever heard of the 10 commandments? anyway.. go bother someone else please
JesusOrMuhammad 1 year ago
@JesusOrMuhammad the 10 commandments are in the old testament, which is full of many many other commandments... a lot of which you would probably find quite disgusting, if you are a moral person.
i would be happy to give you chapter and verse so that you can look them up for yourself.. if you are interested.
andthereisntone 1 year ago
@andthereisntone Idiot.. why would i be interested if i already know what u gonna bring up? u might find it disgusting how God punished people but since u dont believe God exist then u also dont believe God punished people.. God gave us the commandments which we all should obey and if everyone obeyed them the world would be a much better place..
JesusOrMuhammad 1 year ago
@JesusOrMuhammad you really believe that a god would say such disgusting things?
andthereisntone 1 year ago
@andthereisntone what disgusting things? If u dont believe that God said it then what does it matter? u dont believe in God so what does it matter what he said? But if God did say those things then he exists and u better start believing in him
JesusOrMuhammad 1 year ago
@JesusOrMuhammad 'Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.'" (1 Samuel 15:3)
...do you agree that child genocide would make the world a better place?
andthereisntone 1 year ago
@andthereisntone This is what i meant when i said ur a idiot.. How does God's punishment of Amalek have anything to do with us today? The commandments of God to not kill or steal etc and the commandments of Jesus to love ur neighbore are for all times and for all of us.. But God's punishment for the wicked in the past were only for a specific time and place.. so dont come here with ur nonsens ok?
JesusOrMuhammad 1 year ago
@JesusOrMuhammad ah, isee, so at that time and place child genocide was the correct and moral course of action. can you, personally, think of another situation where you, personally, would condone child genocide?
andthereisntone 1 year ago
@andthereisntone "so at that time and place child genocide was the correct and moral course of action."
u don't believe in God's punishments.. so what does it matter wether it was moral or not?
JesusOrMuhammad 1 year ago
@JesusOrMuhammad Deuteronomy 7:1-2 When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations . . . then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.
...'destroy them totally/show no mercy' ...that would of course totally contravene the geneva convention. do you think its moral advice?
andthereisntone 1 year ago
@andthereisntone Today we still execute serial killers.. is that moral ? When God choose to punish the wicked immoral people for their sinful lives after he had warned them and gave them enough time to stop their wickedness then yes Gods punishments were moral and just.. and since He is our creator he has the right to punish His creation
JesusOrMuhammad 1 year ago
@JesusOrMuhammad ah, so you are equating executing adult serial killers with child genocide. do you see anything similar about those two?
andthereisntone 1 year ago
@andthereisntone When God cleanse the land from wickedness he has to cleanse it well.. don't u think? But again God punishments were for a specific time, place and people.. we are not commanded to kill anyone we are commanded to love everyone
JesusOrMuhammad 1 year ago
@JesusOrMuhammad well, just stay away from my children. if you truly believe that child genocide is EVER a correct and moral course of action then you are apparently a dangerous and disgusting person. shame on you.
andthereisntone 1 year ago
@andthereisntone i am gonna eat ur little children andthereisntone! haha
Hey its not ur school teacher who commanded to cleanse the land it was THE CREATOR.. and the creator knew that children would continue to keep following into the wicked behaviour of their parents.. thats why the land was cleansed.. and again God gave us the 10 commandments u ignorant lunatic
JesusOrMuhammad 1 year ago
@JesusOrMuhammad you just stay far away from my (and all) children. it seems your mind has been twisted to accept even the most disgusting of commandments, as long as they come from 'God', and are in a 4-5,000 year old book.
shame on you.
andthereisntone 1 year ago
@andthereisntone No shame on u! u obviously ignore the fact that God has given us the commandments which included not to kill, rape or steal and christians are also to follow Jesus teachings.. so u don't have to be afraid of someone like me to hurt ur children.. but i do think they would feel good in my belly.. lol
JesusOrMuhammad 1 year ago
@JesusOrMuhammad you know there are some who say that the reason God commanded such apparently vile and horrific actions thousands of years ago was because that's how men in the middle east used to think and act. whereas now only psychopathic mass murders would ever condone such acts.
..or to put it another way, men wrote the bible.
any thoughts?
andthereisntone 1 year ago
@andthereisntone Ofcourse men wrote the Bible but with divine inspiration
JesusOrMuhammad 1 year ago
@JesusOrMuhammad ah, and it's just coincidental that at that time God felt, when 'inspiring' the bible, just like some of the men at that time, that these horrific acts were moral and justified. but now God, just like the people, doesn't feel like that, huh.
...why is that exactly?
andthereisntone 1 year ago
@andthereisntone what makes u think its "coincidental"?
JesusOrMuhammad 1 year ago
@JesusOrMuhammad yes exactly - i don't think it's coincidental. of course men wrote the bible inspired exactly by the prevailing morals and behaviour in that part of the world during the bronze age.
morals and behaviour that no one in their right mind would condone today. for example 'cleansing' an area by killing all the children.
if a god EVER commanded such acts then he is certainly a far less moral person than i.
would you follow me?
andthereisntone 1 year ago
@andthereisntone "by the prevailing morals and behaviour in that part of the world during the bronze age"
The same morals that our law of today is based on.. u my friend want ur cake and eat it too.. u want to condemn God's punishments & in the same breath argue that God does not exist and therefore that the Bible is not inspired by God.. I look at it this way.. If God indeed has punished his creation as the Bible tells us then i have to accept it.. and u have a problem for not believing him
JesusOrMuhammad 1 year ago
@JesusOrMuhammad 'The same morals that our law of today is based on' ..reread all the bible quotations i posted earlier. and think whether your above statement is true.
i, for one, would not want to live in a world where it were true. and i (and almost everyone in the world now) am FAR more moral than the God which you think so highly of.
gotta learn to think for yourself, my friend.
andthereisntone 1 year ago
@andthereisntone What u my friend don't want to understand, is that there is a difference in the morals that God gave us and His punishments.. u are a bit confused i think.. those verses speak about Gods punishments not of the morals He gave us.. Well so u are suggesting that God should not have ordered to kill also the children but only the parents? If God would have done that then those children would have grown up with no parents.. how moral would that have been?
JesusOrMuhammad 1 year ago
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andthereisntone 1 year ago
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@JesusOrMuhammad just think about what you just wrote for a second...
1. 'there is a difference in the morals that God gave us and His punishments'
.....so the punishments don't need to be moral?
2. 'If God would have done that then those children would have grown up with no parents.. how moral would that have been?'
...are you suggesting that we should kill all children now who have no parents?
andthereisntone 1 year ago
@andthereisntone Oh and u my friend dont even have the right to bring up what is moral and what is not because according to u morals dont even exist.. there are no morals and good or evil according to u atheists.. if a group of rapists would go live with eachother in a town and rape eachother for their own pleassure then u could not even condemn their behaviour.. But God already condemned it for us
JesusOrMuhammad 1 year ago
@JesusOrMuhammad 1. 'because according to u morals dont even exist'
...i have never said that.
2. if you found out tomorrow that god doesn't actually exist, would you then go out and rape someone?
p.s. a joke for you...
in the U.S. the education policy is 'No child left behind'. the catholic church has had a similar policy for a very long time, 'No child's behind left'.
andthereisntone 1 year ago
@andthereisntone 2. Good question the answer is that i think to rape a beautiful woman could be enjoyable for people but because we decided that we don't want people to rape woman in our law thats why many people are not going to rape.. but who is to say if raping woman is truely right or wrong? why would that be wrong if it gives the rapist great pleasure? u have morals only in the law but if we throw away the law u dont have those morals any longer
JesusOrMuhammad 1 year ago
@JesusOrMuhammad we have morals because we humans evolved in groups, societies. if we naturally thought that rape, murder and genocide etc were ok then our species would have become extinct a very long time ago.
we learned very quickly that such things as murder, while they may be enjoyable to some, harm the group as a whole, and therefore they are intrinsically immoral, and become illegal.
andthereisntone 1 year ago
@andthereisntone Ofcourse but u cannot say that raping or stealing is good or wrong / evil.. a rapist can argue with u that raping is good.. then u would have no arguement against him.. if u think raping a woman is bad and a rapist tells u no its good, then who is to say that the rapist is bad for thinking that raping is good ?
JesusOrMuhammad 1 year ago
@JesusOrMuhammad are you saying that you really need a God to tell you that raping and violating another person is wrong? without having read a holy book would you not know that? (the same holy book where God often hands out horrific punishments - (death is worse than rape)).
by the way, there are many cultures in the world who have never read the bible, the koran, or any other bronze age book. and they somehow manage to figure out that rape, murder, genocide etc damage their societies.
andthereisntone 1 year ago
@andthereisntone the fact that it might damage a society doesnt mean that it is morally wrong thats what im trying to make u realise.. my point stands, if u are sitting on a table with a rapist and u say raping is bad and he says no its good.. then who are u to condemn the rapist for thinking that it is good?
JesusOrMuhammad 1 year ago
@JesusOrMuhammad who am I? i'm the person who knows without (or in spite of) reading a holy book that such acts as rape, murder and child genocide are wrong.
...who are you?
now, have the guts to answer the rape question i've asked you 3 times.
...IF you found out tomorrow that there was no God. would you go out and rape someone?
...if no then why?
andthereisntone 1 year ago
@andthereisntone "i'm the person who knows without (or in spite of) reading a holy book that such acts as rape, murder and child genocide are wrong."
ur using circular reasoning.. just because the majority of ppl in a society agree that raping is wrong doesnt make it wrong.. only for the people themselves who believe its wrong.. if close the supermarket tommorow for a few months would it then be ok to kill our neighbores in order to steal their last food supply?
JesusOrMuhammad 1 year ago
@JesusOrMuhammad don't be a coward - answer the question.
...IF you found out tomorrow that there was no God. would you go out and rape someone?
...if not then why?
andthereisntone 1 year ago
@andthereisntone would it be wrong to rape someone only because the majority of ppl think its wrong?
JesusOrMuhammad 1 year ago
@JesusOrMuhammad as you constantly refuse to answer the question i guess i should assume that your answer is yes, you would go out and rape.
in that case it is indeed good that you, and others like you, have found the bible. i should argue with you no more.
andthereisntone 1 year ago
@andthereisntone why u refuse to adress my points?
JesusOrMuhammad 1 year ago
@andthereisntone God did not have to pay for our sins, but he did because he loved us! He could have just let us die and go to hell. We could never give God enough for him to save us from hell HE is Absolute and perfect when you sin against God you deseverve hell and he would have to punish it because he is a just God! Even if we sacraficed our lives God said it would not be enough to pay him back who is all eternal. Only God can restore our relationship back to him! Which is Jesus the Word!
TheEzekiel300 1 year ago
@TheEzekiel300 are you suggesting that jesus is god?
...so therefore god (an immortal) came down down to earth as jesus and 'sacrificed' himself to himself to wipe our sins IF we believe in him?
that's the most ridiculous (and immoral) thing i've ever heard. i don't need (or would ever want) blood sacrifices of gods temporary physical bodies in order to pay off my sins. if i wrong a person i must make amends with them myself somehow. in other words, it is (and must be) my responsibility.
andthereisntone 1 year ago
@andthereisntone No! Jesus came down and Sacrificed himself for us! God did not save himself! We were the ones that needed to be saving. God loves us unconditionally though we are evil sinners. Jesus died for the whole world even the worst sinner. Since it was the body that caused sin, sin had to die in the body! When you do wrong someone has to pay! Jesus, the living word of God, who has no sin, had to die for us! The Word of God and God are one. Jesus is worthy to be worshiped he created us!
TheEzekiel300 1 year ago
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@TheEzekiel300 do you believe that jesus was god?
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JesusOrMuhammad 1 year ago
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@andthereisntone Lets say a person wants to live in a big city and rape every once in a while because that makes him happy.. doesnt that rapist have the right to happiness as everyone else?
JesusOrMuhammad 1 year ago
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@JesusOrMuhammad do you have the guts and honesty to ever answer this question?
... IF you found out tomorrow that there was no God. would you go out and rape someone?
...if no then why?
andthereisntone 1 year ago
@JesusOrMuhammad pps. i have simply stated, often, that my morals, and those of the vast majority of present day humankind, are FAAAR better than those of your bronze age god.
andthereisntone 1 year ago
@andthereisntone Well ur morals came from the morals that God gave us haha..
JesusOrMuhammad 1 year ago
@JesusOrMuhammad so anyway, how about answering the question. IF you found out tomorrow that there was no God. would you go out and rape someone?
...if no then why?
andthereisntone 1 year ago
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@JesusOrMuhammad Leviticus 20:13 ? "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."
andthereisntone 1 year ago
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JesusOrMuhammad 1 year ago
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@JesusOrMuhammad Leviticus 20:9
If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death.
...do you agree?
andthereisntone 1 year ago
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@JesusOrMuhammad Exodus 21:20-21 If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.
....does this sound at all 'moral' to you?
andthereisntone 1 year ago
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@JesusOrMuhammad Hosea 13:16 - "16 The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open."
andthereisntone 1 year ago
@andthereisntone u do know that atheists condoned slavery not so long ago don't u?
JesusOrMuhammad 1 year ago
Mohamed got his revelation foaming at the mouth.
Mar 9:20 And they brought him unto him: and when he saw him, straightway the spirit tare him; and he fell on the ground, and wallowed foaming.
Mar 9:25 When Jesus saw that the people came running together, he rebuked the foul spirit, saying unto him, [Thou] dumb and deaf spirit, I charge thee, come out of him, and enter no more into him.
celioabatti 1 year ago
beautiful!
creamgetthamoney 1 year ago
God is Love
zragisha 1 year ago
Everyone knows Islam is a false Religion already, that is sent from Satan.
StarStrike2002 2 years ago 3
@StarStrike2002 yeah just like judaism and christianity.
adzug 1 year ago
This is not the way God approaches people especially prophets.
eriblood 2 years ago 7
mT 17
14When they came to the crowd, a man approached Jesus and knelt before him. 15"Lord, have mercy on my son," he said. "He has seizures and is suffering greatly. He often falls into the fire or into the water. 16I brought him to your disciples, but they could not heal him." 18Jesus rebuked the demon, and it came out of the boy, and he was healed from that moment.
only DEMONS CAUSE PAIN PEOPLE that is WHY JESUS HAD TO REBUKE Them
No GOOD ANGEL apply PHYSICAL PRESSURE TO HUMANS
crazy4jesus63 2 years ago 3
and you need to understand that we don't believe that Angels can have sex with women , In fact....we don't even believe in Fallen Angels !!! No Angel disobeys God....Satan is a different case though .
Tchado1000 2 years ago
Of course u don't believe in fallen angels
Your relgion was started by a Fallen angel satan that is why he deceives you that there is no such thing
Rev 20:10
10And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever
See Satan's religion HAS ALSO ONE PROPHET just like islam.
All prophets in Bible Worshipped YHWH. NO one was worshpping allah.
crazy4jesus63 2 years ago
Isaiah 34 ( KJV)
14The wild beasts of the desert shall also meet with the wild beasts of the island, and the satyr shall cry to his fellow; the screech owl also shall rest there, and find for herself a place of rest.
I WENT TO BIBLEGateway ( very Respectable Resource AMONG CHRISTIANS has Bibles in almost ALL MAJOR LANGUAGES) AND I DIDN'T SEE NO NSRV . KJV is the oldest BIBLE TRANSLATION TO ENGLISH IN THE WORLD.
crazy4jesus63 2 years ago 3
The oldest english Bible is: The first English Bible was completed in the late 1300's by John Wyclif, an Oxford instructor in religion and philosophy. Condemned by the church, it lasted in the underground for some 150 years.
HermitintheRain 2 years ago
bottom line is, Christ staed God sent him, God was greater than him, and that God is his Lord, therefore, this is proof Christ was a Muslim(slave of God)< and a prophet, he said he ws a slave of God, said he was only speaking for God, so we are right. thereby, iti s also proven since God sent him, clearly God didnt send himself, and none is greater than God, he is not God. point is, the emperor constantine was pagan and christian both, he incorporated paganry into Christianity. this is history.
Alkaloidpun 2 years ago
Christ was not a muslims proof:
John 17:11
11I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name—the name you gave me—so that they may be one as we are one.
He and the FATHER HAVE THE SAME NAME
The FATHER IS CALLED YHWH
YESHUA IS HIS SON WHICH MEANS YHWH SAVES
FATHER AND SON ARE ONE
crazy4jesus63 2 years ago
So let me comment on the video for a sec , If what Muhammad saw was not an angel because the "angel" applied physical pressure on him , and its not the characteristic of an angel , can someone please explain why does the bible say that Angels can have sex with women in Genesis 6:4 ??? Rachid and his lying pack of snakes....
Tchado1000 2 years ago
The angels who had sex with Women were Angels who ABANDONED THEIR HEAVENLY POSTS TO COME DOWN TO EARTH TO DWELL WITH MEN
No Angel in the HISTORY OF BIBLE SENT BY GOD
HAS EVER EVER STRANGLED ANYONE
crazy4jesus63 2 years ago
so ? you call this argument ?? I proved using your own bible that angels can do physical pressure as we Muslims believe , and the angel didn't "strangle" him , he embraced him , and Angels can do that , and let me tell you straight forward , No Muslim give a rats ass about the history of Angels in the bible , so this argument falls by itself....this episode of daring Question is LAME !!
and weather they are angels who "ABANDONED THEIR HEAVENLY POSTS " they are STILL ANGELS.
Tchado1000 2 years ago
That is why Mohammed saw a Demon
Angels do not have contact with Humans in Bible
Fallen angels on the other hand WHO DISOBEY GOD DO
Fallen angels become Demons
That is why Angels do not Posses Human being but DEMONS DO
See HOW EASY IT WAS TO PWN YOU AND MOHAMMED
U HAVE PROVED THAT THE ONE WHO EMBRACED MOHAMMED IN THE CAVE WAS INDEED A FALLEN ANGEL AKA DEMON
Good job. Coz GOOD angels don't touch HUMANS in the Bible
crazy4jesus63 2 years ago
So let me get this straight , in the bible the Angels contacted Lot and his family , the Angels contacted Abraham , and Angels can cause physical pressure since they can eat food....etc
I told you , nobody gives a rats ass about your bible account of Angels , any book that says Angels can have sex with Women & Angels can eat isn't a trust worthy book .
and read the story of the 1st revelation , the Angel embarrassed Muhammad because he was scared.
Tchado1000 2 years ago
Actually it was GOD and Angels who came to see Abraham.
Rev 1
8"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God
17When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: "Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. 18I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.
IT IS JESUS WHO IS TALKING TO JOHN
not an ANGEL
crazy4jesus63 2 years ago
No angel ever goes around looking at people having sex
Not only that those who say Bible has been changed where is your proof?
crazy4jesus63 2 years ago
But angels came down to earth , had sex with women and made them carry giants (book of genesis) , how lovely !! the bible is amazing !!
and in 1 Corinthians 11 , Paul tells women to cover their heads , in verse 10 it says " because of the angels the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head." , even Paul believed that Angels can have sex with women ! thats why he told them to cover their heads , so the angels won't come down and rape them.
Tchado1000 2 years ago
This also can refer back to the demon Lillith , a woman created before eve ! according to the bible too , Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them."
a few verses later we read about the creation of eve from adam , I want to know who this WOMAN is in Genesis 1:27 ?
if this is wrong then why is she mentioned BY NAME in Isaiah 34:14, which reads, "there too Lilith shall repose."
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Tchado1000 2 years ago
continued...
In the later bible translations , like always , THEY CHANGED THE BIBLE to make the word Lilith into "night owl" , many theologians believe that Paul also made a reference to her since he asked women to wear veils , because according to the legend AT THE TIME , Lilith can't attack veiled women.
there are tons of myths in the bible , even connections to midrash and gnostic myths BY REFERENCE...book of god indeed.
Tchado1000 2 years ago
You want proof the bible is changed ? EASY ! refute this if you can...
1- Where is the assention of Christ ? the trinity (John 5:7) ? why were they thrown out as fabrications ?
2- How did mark 16 : 9-20 find its way in the bible?
these are just normal claims .
How did the people in the counsel of Nicea know which books are from god and which are not ? and why did they quote verses from deleted books ? I really want to know how they did that , because it doesn't make any sense at all !
Tchado1000 2 years ago
Refute this if you can.
The quote in (Jude 14-15) , is actually from thrown biblical book called the "book of Enoch"(1 Enoch 1:9) why did Jude quote that ? simple , because the old testament in front of him is DIFFERENT from the one you have ! he believed this book is from God , and you claim this man was inspired to write by the holy spirit , so isn't the the book of Enoch from god ? unless the holy spirit quotes thrown out books he didn't write.
Tchado1000 2 years ago
and the manuscript evidence is actually evidence against the bible rather than for it ! according to Bart D. Ehrman , there are NO 2 manuscripts alike , the scribes were copying and make errors all time , for every manuscript that proves the bible , there are 4 that contradict it .
and basically all you guys have is copies of copies of copies of copies of copies....and you still believe the book wasn't changed ?
Tchado1000 2 years ago
The hand writing of "manuscripts" show that only 6% of them were written before the 9th century , so we have 94% of writings after the the events by a number of centuries (8-9( , can you guarantee me these writings are the same ? No one can , not even the scholars agree , because when comparing them side by side , they found 20,000-30,000 errors.
The bible shows paralleled similarities between it and the Book of the dead , The Gilgamesh code & Sumerian Codex
For now,deal with this,I got more
Tchado1000 2 years ago
Also, I would like solid sources that are non-aetheistic sources which show that the Bible is corrupt. And many of these pagan arguments have been brutally shot down. People can even make the argument that the Qur'an is from paganism.
Brrup 2 years ago
If these claims have been shot down , then please refer me to their refutations , or refute them here , I'm willing to learn.
Make the argument that the Quran is from paganism , lets discuss that .
You want sources ? Check out any book by Bart Ehrman ,see the history of your manuscripts which you rely on to prove the bible has been preserved .
Non-atheistic ? Hans Küng , he is a priest and a theologian , check out his bible commentary which proves my case , I'll send it to you if you want.
Tchado1000 2 years ago
My friend, I never said the BIble follow pagan rituals. You did. I was saying that just as easily as you make the pagan about the Bible, I could make the same claim about the Qur'an. I could say Muhammad worshipped a Moon God. I don't know... but i COULD say that.
So drop this pagan nonsense please.
Brrup 2 years ago
Funny , Muhammad never worshiped a moon god , but I can swear that you worship and Pagan sun god...I COULD say that .
and I brought evidence from the Jude-Enoch situation , is that paganism ? its clear proof .
Tchado1000 2 years ago
Just to make it clear , many Christians who have some logic in their heads , and not just Hans Küng , believe that the bible is corrupted or corruption found its way into it , but to say that the whole thing is divine is CRAZY , in the end it contains the message of salvation (which you want not me) , so to these Jesus believing people (you know , that he god, died on the cross...etc) , the bible isn't even divine in its nature , its human and he has his proof .
Tchado1000 2 years ago
So in summary , I claimed that the bible in front of some people back in the day was different than what you have (Jude and Enoch) , I have more examples , I showed you that the bible supports Midrash and Ancient Myths BY NAME , like the myth of Lillith & the giants ,there are many more , I can present them.
I showed that verses have been taken out and in the bible.
The so called "Archeological Evidence" and "manuscripts" is nothing but a trick.
so why should I believe the bible isn't changed ?
Tchado1000 2 years ago
If you have sins on your soul, even one, you cannot enter paradise. You must be 100% spirtually cleansed. Not a single sin may enter Heaven. This is why Jesus Christ's suffering, death and ressurrection make sense. Through Him we are cleansed and can join Him in paradise.
Brrup 2 years ago
"If you have sins on your soul, even one, you cannot enter paradise. You must be 100% spirtually cleansed. Not a single sin may enter Heaven."
I dont believe this theory , this comes from your christian background , to me everyone sins , sin is a part of us , the only way to get to heaven is to allow your righteousness to exceed your sin .
Once you succeed in that , then you may enter heaven , and God will "cleanse" your soul
Tchado1000 2 years ago
No. Because you will still have sin on your soul. God cannot overlook sin, nor does He want.
Also correct me if I"m wrong, but Bart Ehrman is an atheist? ... so he discredit's islam as well? Hans Kung is a Christian? So both of your sources discredit Islam... I find that strange.
Brrup 2 years ago
Again , this is from your christian background , I'm not a christian .
"o both of your sources discredit Islam" , who does that work ? did any of these 2 actually did any work on Islam ? you want me to quote MUSLIMS about the bible ? I quoted you a christian , and a scientist of great repute , and btw why didn't any christian refute Bart yet ??
Tchado1000 2 years ago
This is the PROOF that what muhammed saw was a devil and the koran is from satan.
1. he said he saw a creature (not an angel) a creature also known as a demon.
2. the beast attacked and strangled him. Angels dont do that to people. demons do.
3. the beast said man is mad from a clot (blood or a womans period) the Bible says that man is made in the image of God !!
JonGarrett2010 2 years ago 5
I guess you were there to see with your own eyes its the demon. And angels supposedly to be wearing a white suit with glossy teeth and smiles and hugs and kisses happy and all that shit. hahahahaha... get fucked..
dinosor369 2 years ago
muhammed saw a devil. he worshiped the devil, accepted what the devil had promised to give him in exchange for his worship. to keep his part of the deal, muhammed then sat down and began to write the lies in the koran and spread this lie around the world. Satan has power and he fully supports those who are willing to cooperate with him.
JonGarrett2010 2 years ago
so you witnessed this?!
dinosor369 2 years ago
truly sad. you should be ashaemd for yourself doign the devil's work and blaspheming against Allah(swt) and His Messenger. as the Bible says, the devil cannot divide himself against himself, the holy Qur'an taught the singularity of God, that He aloen was to be worshipped, that we were to believe in God, our Creator, and do good deeds in His name, and abstain from bad ones, this is Islam, only the devil could accuse such righteousness of being bad.
Alkaloidpun 2 years ago
How come non-muslims are daring enough to say bad words about a person who is believed to be a Prophet (SAW) by about 1.5 billion of world population... and remarkably none of muslims can dare to say a bad word about other prophets... It cant be individual muslim response! Proves superiority of Muslims... :)
I fear for those christians/jews who say bad words about Muhammad (SAW) coz you guys do believe in day of judgement and salvation! Dont you? Good luck coz thats your only hope if at all!
sharartidoctor 2 years ago
good deeds alone cannot earn you salvation.
Brrup 2 years ago
Fear God , Keep the Commandments , and salvation is yours , this is what Solomon preached in the bible , In fact that is what Jesus Preached , humans are weak ,God wants us to make the effort to heaven , if you fall,repent and try again,God will recognize ur effort , he is the most forgiving
God never sacrificed anyone on some cross , that is the most grotesque and pagan idea I've ever heard ! In fact over the last period of 5 years raised evidence that the crucifixion many have never happened.
Tchado1000 2 years ago
You see though, "Fearing God and doing good deeds" cannot earn you salvation and spirtually cleanse you of your sins. God is just. He cannot simply over-see sins, a penalty must be paid. If i rob a bank, and then I say, "oh don't send me to jail, ill just go and give some money to poor people"... That will not be just. A penalty must be paid.
Brrup 2 years ago
Yes I agree , God is just , did you ever have the chance to see the hadiths about the scale and how God will judge people ? read them and leave back a comment.
I agree with you on this , God must be just.
But salvation doesn't come through accepting man slaughter on a cross either, "spiritually cleanse you of your sins" , how about gods forgiveness , I like that , isn't it enough ? where did you get this lame Idea from ? bible brainwashing perhaps.
Tchado1000 2 years ago
Also,
There is lots of scientific and historical evidence that actually demonstrates the BIble's validity. It contains tons and tons of valid references to history, Many prophecies in the Old Testament which were fulfilled in the New Testament, and the scientific claims that it has made that have been proven right.
Brrup 2 years ago
and just so you know Hans Kung says the following about the Quran : "No where does the books of the New testament ever claim to fall from heaven , no , it actually emphases on its human nature , unlike the Quran which is an error less book , that should be recognized as a miracle" , so he doesn't discredit me..
My friend , the same can be said about the Quran in the same terms , and by the way , if prophecy is test , then what should we do with the false prophecies in the bible ?
Tchado1000 2 years ago
You only believe the Qur'an to be errorless because you are told to believe it is errorless.
In those story of Moses in the Qur'an it speaks of cricifixion. that Pharaoh's magicians believed in the God of Moses. Pharaoh angrily responds by threatening to crucify these magicians. The Koran 12:41...
Brrup 2 years ago
No , actually I'm a convert to Islam , I believe its error less because it is actually is , I tried to find errors in it , thats why I became a Muslim
and you are mistaken , the cross and crucifixion existed at those times and even before.
The Cross was the pagan sign of the Star gods worshiped in Eygpt , and crucifixion existed as punishment , proof ?? they have 7 Gods (Horus is the most famous) who where crucified and died for for our sins (hmmmm) , read any Egyptian mythology book .
Tchado1000 2 years ago
Proof? It's in encyclopedias and there is tons of historical and archaeological evidence to support it. It began by the Assyrians in 519 BC. And you've been watching too much Zeitgeist and atheistic articles. You need to begin to question the validity of what you read. I used to be an agnostic, and believe these things that you believe, but then I realized a lot of it is false.
Brrup 2 years ago
No , I actually lived in eygpt , I know this stuff , and I actually saw the tablets in the museums , and the scientists confirm what I just said , what more do I need ? and my bro studies this for a living .
Actually , I think you need to start to question the validity of what you read , what you read doesn't make any sense , seek the truth.
Tchado1000 2 years ago
Scientists confirmed what? That crucifixion existed during the time of Moses? They can't because it did not exist then. 0 evidence showing crucifixion existed before 500 BC.
Brrup 2 years ago
TONS OF EVIDENCE shows it existed .
Tchado1000 2 years ago
Scientists confirmed what I said , because during the tour in the museum , I asked this question , they showed me the tamp lets , explained the deal , and even gave me references and archaeological evidence to support it.
and again , Did you refute Zeitgeist ?? the evidence is their favor 'till now , or do just don't accept it since it goes against what you believe ?
again , read the bible with a critical eye .
Tchado1000 2 years ago
actually there is a video which disputes zeitgeist on youtube. I suggest you watch it. And many of the pagan gods mentioned in the Zeitgeist video are described incorrectly and have been twisted. watch "Zeitgeist Refuted" and your story about the museum means nothing to me if i dont have some kind of legitemate source.
Brrup 2 years ago
Yeah I saw it , by KeithTruth , but when I checked his sources and did some research , he really didn't refute anything , its still stands because the fact that Roman Pagans practicing worshiping some of these Gods with Christ characteristics at that time is still historically proven and clear , I refer you to he Jesus Mysteries: Was the "Original Jesus" a Pagan God? By Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy
and I do have legit sources for all my claims.
Tchado1000 2 years ago