here in german tv there was a discussion about gadaffi the same day he died. one of the arabian experts there (Ulrich Kienzle) argued somewhat neutral and also mentioned pro-gadaffi things until the TV moderator disrupted him an keeped interviewing some other lame people who hoorayed the rebels.
can you tell me in short what quatar has to do with libya ? thanks in advance.
..oops i forgot to mention the point of my question : Ulrich Kienzle started to say the same as you. something about Quatar and that there are elections soon (or something like this, unfourtunatly it was not understandable because of the moderators intervention) - thats the reason for my question.
Qatar is a neighbouring to Libya country that was hired by US, France and GB to be the main enforcer and frontman in bringing down the Jamahiriya in exchange for part of the Libyan pie (main ingredients: high grade oil and fresh water).
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Free legitimate government elected by the people and represent the true will of the people rather than the repressive dictatorship of terrorist, barbarism and brutality which Gaddafi was exercised for 42 years, this is what we are fighting for and we will keep fighting till the dream come true and we have our free, new and liberated Libya . VIVA Free Libya.
'weve never seen the other side of the conflict!..aka the libyan army/BUT thats wierd...why not? You mean AJ has only till april seen the insurgents? Were they even trying to be even handed? AJ has shamed itself and put an end to its legacy as one of the few media free of the western paradigm. What a shame..inn the end they are just another tool of imperialism
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Do not listen to AlJazeera lies! Gaddafi is innocent! There were no bombardments of civilians by Gaddafi orders watch?v=mlJIxBBSnfk watch?v=hDt92tR2YnA watch?v=2L6vA0OIITc And the "rebels" are the worst kind of scum - they kill civilians who support Gaddafi and mutilate their bodies watch?v=33C93rMfoYY watch?v=e9bipg8M8Dc watch?v=56svwflSEh0 NATO airstrikes does kill civilians and children's also watch?v=6HQ50zruGA4 watch?v=4zHOUwvJTcI watch?v=LmDwPFZxZoE
pro-democray? the insurgents with their flag of King Idrees??????? this is an eg of the brazen lies AJ is putting out on orders from their Dictator, the Emir of Qatar!
@jalusbrian typical lack of libyan history by gaddafis foreign fans, the flag is libya's independence flag king was elected after independence. He is not coming back but at least he and his Senussi movement fought italians for decades and at end of ww2 in alliance with allied powers freed libya. They will always have a place in libya's history
@jalusbrian monarchy is not coming back, but senussis huge role in resisting occupation was why their leader was elected by a libyan leaders as king =unifying figure. after Gaddafi coup he cancelled elections, parliament and constituition which limited power of king, G vs King was absolute ruler for 42 years with sons to inherit! Still libyans demonstrated for a fully democratic republic during monarchy, especially in Benghazi. King unlike G sometimes responded to demos eg he changed oil law.
WE love libya, We love Qazzaffi , My uncle is in libyan Army , he Saw the British cops are fighting against Islamic country libya. They saw Italiyan Army fighting against libyan army .....Why muslim cant see? they just see what jews want to show them ...
Gaddafis men are mad strong all the true black Africans are with you Gaddafi. Forget them Arab cowards. The rebels are just mad because they know their days are numbered despite the help from white Europeanized pigs.
Doesn't Gaddafi have ANY ships with guns? If any are seaworthy, he could send them up the coast and shell rebel positions at much closer range. I'll bet he wishes he had a couple of old, but working, Soviet-era destroyers right now.
He has plenty of frigates and missile boats, and a few supported the defence of Ras Lanouf last month, but now there is a NATO naval blockade in place.
The couple of frigates he had supporting the battle in Misrata were sunk or driven ashore by the French, so I'd imagine what's left don't venture out much anymore.
@boosra Sounds like what little naval power he had rusted away at the pier after 40 years of sanctions.
If Tripoli is blockaded, I'd love to see a one-chance attack on the blockade. Artillery from land and what little ships he has from the sea. Even if it means pleasure boats with mortars and RPG launchers!
If Gaddafi can just suppress the rebels for enough time, he can then turn and fight the blockade. THAT would rally the rest of Libya behind him. Classic David vs Goliath!
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haha american soldier just got shot outside my house dont fuck with my country!! usa britan france italy this is a warning i will take my dads gun and shoot all that come to libya. allahu wuakbar!
@2000GWW If you don't think Gaddafi soldiers are monsters. Watch this video showing how the soldiers are trained before they enter these cities, I promise you will change your opinion. /watch?v=dwAwNnq1I8M
But Libyans who believe in their cause of defending their leader and fighting rebels who of as traitors that gave the green light to foreigners to attack the country's sovereignty. Libya is deeply divided. I really think countries who opposed the bombings should pressure the UN and NATO to create a line separating east and west libya and threaten to bomb anyone who passes while forcing both sides to negotiate a deal. It would proberbly take years, but atleast it will stop a civil war.
@MrSammuscle hahahaha in your dreams, unless you kill all the people in there and bring in Chadians to live in it, which is far from reality and the whole Libya will be free SOON insaallah (that's the difference between you and us, we depend on Allah in everything and call him for everything, you call your and depend on your G man)
I just hope at sometime during my life I will be able to visit libya, meet the people and form my own conclusions. Until then I have no right as a citizen of the world to place blame on a nation that chooses to govern itself differently from my own.
@knightedtemplar Sometimes they themselves don't know what is right for them. However these stories are shrouded in lies so we have no idea what the situation really is.
@DvineGaming Not lies as so much as half truths. Such is the way of collecting information, you will always find the resources needed toprove your own thoughts right if you look for them. Al Jazeeera's as well as any other news program will have a slant because people find what they want to find. Anyway I will continue to watch to see what the outcome is.
*sighs* This video proves that Gaddafi's forces are people as well not all monsters as they are made out to be. I'm not surprised that some might be claim to be forced into warfare by gaddafi just ask any soldier to see if there were actions they were forced to do which they disliked. The only difference which I'm seeing here is that allegations come out when shots have been fired and that seems to make them more grave.
@knightedtemplar If you don't think Gaddafi soldiers are monsters. Watch this video showing how the soldiers are trained before they enter these cities, I promise you will change your opinion. /watch?v=dwAwNnq1I8M
The rare video proves Gaddafi didn't bring a bloodbath. The same would of happened to Benghazi probably. In Gaddafi's speech to Benghazi he offered Amnesty so Benghazi would of gone like Ajdabiya. NO BLOODBATH!
Thanks AlJazeera for accidentally disproving the war propaganda that Gaddafi sought to slaughter. lol
@VexZeez The vast majority of east Libya is anti-Gaddafi. Gaddafi would have to create a massacre similar to the Hama massacre by Assad if he would want to have even the slightest chance of controlling it's rebellious population again. And this footage doesn't disprove other claims like the 100's missing from Adjabiya, taken by Gaddafi's forces when they re occupied it.
But I will tell you what video does prove though. It proves that the vast majority of pro-gaddafi soldiers are not mercenaries
@VexZeez Excellent logic. Despite the 300 videos showing massacres, sniping of TODDLERS, murder & rape of women, and the several week-long DAILY 24/7 SHELLING & BOMBARDMENT (still continuing now) of residential areas of several Libyan cities, a something-second long video of troops going house to house interrogating citizens proves Gaddafi is a merciful sociopath? Awesome. Definitely proves "no bloodbaths". Good work Sherlock.
@BarcaFeb17 It isn't so much logic but stating what the video shows and doesn't show. And this video does not show BLOODBATHS, nor "massacres", "sniping of TODDLERS", "murder & rape of women".
"troops going house to house interrogating citizens proves Gaddafi is a merciful sociopath"
Stupid comment. Of course soldiers will have to search and interrogate for their safety. Also to confiscate any weapons rebels might try to use.
Exactly. Gaddafi specifically said there would be amnesty for civilians and anyone who disarmed, and no mercy for armed combatants, but all the news channels chose to report it as "no mercy to civilians".
Gaddafi has had to march on Benghazi several times before, notably in the 90's, and there was no bloodbath.
Also, this video disproves the lie that the rebels flee before Gaddafi's "superior weaponry". Mostly, the rebels are fighting against the same equipment as their own.
@boosra But you just saw Gaddafi's troops moving a heavy missile launcher. Also how can you judge the content of his army from one video, that showed a handful of soldiers and jeeps? What about images of bombed out tanks? Also...you're forgetting that Gaddafi bombed civilian protesters before they were forced to organize into a militia. There are hundreds of reports, video footage, and defected soldiers to tell that story. How can you just forget about that and conclude 'no bloodbath'??
The rebels have the exact same missile launchers. They are on hundreds of videos.
Yes, he has tanks, but they are mostly destroyed or being shuffled around to avoid airstrikes. their effect is minimal lately. The rebels also have some tanks, we saw them getting hit last week. As for the bombing of protesters, that simply never happened. The news said it happened, but it did not. We saw the odd plane, saw an ammo dump exploding, even saw shot protesters - but no bombing.
I am not saying Gaddafi would never do such things - he is capable of pretty much anything, and the response to protesters was predictably heavy handed and occasionally murderous.
But he hasn't stayed in power so long by being stupid and reckless.
Why would he want to bomb unarmed protesters? He could just shoot them surely.
The bombing began when thousands of guys with machine guns began driving towards his capital saying they were going to string him up.
Oh, also about the heavy missile launcher. That's a Grad missile truck. You can see the same piece of kit here during the rebel advance on Brega.
watch?v=VFUhzJtxZFs
Both sides are using the same stuff. Gaddafi has more of it though of course.
Just so you know, I am not a Gaddafi supporter at all - but I do have a problem with our media acting as unquestioning cheerleaders for one side, instead of sober reporters on a complex civil war.
@VexZeez you idiot. U actually consider this 5 second footage as proof that gaddafi is a good guy? What about the thousands of hours of footage showing gaddafi forces massacring civilians and bombing civilians with their tanks? You foolish cowardly hypocrite. Obviously u care about your agenda, not the civilians. Anyway for your information, gaddafi warned that he would show NO MERCY to those who rose up against him. Are you naturally dumb or did you fall on your brain as a child?
No one is saying he is a good guy. What he was saying is that there was no inevitable bloodbath in Benghazi.
Gaddafi has taken lots of towns in this conflict, and there has been no bloodbath. In 1995 he was fighting these same guys and took Banghazi as he was about to this time around. Again: No Bloodbath.
And no, he did NOT promise no mercy to all those who rose up. He promised no mercy specifically to armed opponents, and promised complete pardon for all unarmed civilians.
@boosra How about he is a great guy because someone bombed his home and killed his adopted daughter and would have killed his only daughter if she didn't woke up and left the room she was 9 years old 25 years ago yesterday .... he is eccentric but not a murderer as the mass spinning weal of media that got us in the Iraqi blood bath.
@malumalumalu Stop telling obvious lies. This isn't a a 5 second clip idiot.
"What about the thousands of hours of footage showing gaddafi forces massacring civilians and bombing civilians with their tanks?" Provide links and stop stating it like that actually exists. Making up more lies?
"Obviously u care about your agenda, not the civilians." What agenda is that? You know something about me? Or are you lying about me you liar?
@malumalumalu "gaddafi warned that he would show NO MERCY to those who rose up against him" Did Gaddafi really say that? He gave a speech on March 17 to Benghazi where he offered peace and amnesty and called Benghazi his children he forgives. He told the islamists rebels to flee while they still can. I have the videos to prove it. What you and your baseless claims?
"Are you naturally dumb or did you fall on your brain as a child? " Are you naturally a liar and name-caller.
@VexZeez You need to read the story more closely. Have you not seen the footage, interview, raw video of libyan civilians being shot and bombed by gaddafi? Civilians, not rebels! Have you not seen the victims of gaddafi's prisons who just escaped in the last month and revealed what gaddafi put them through? Their bodies and faces deformed from gaddafi's torture? All for what? For speaking out against him. Have you not seen the kids in tripoli brainwashed to praise gaddafi, instead of studying??
@malumalumalu I've seen footage of rebels and Gaddafi forces fighting each other within cities. Any fighting that occurs in cities using tanks, RPGs, AK-47s will kill any civilians in the wrong place.
I highly doubt Gaddafi troops are intentionally firing from tanks into cities to kill civilians. That's propaganda. But live fire was used to suppress early protests in Libya especially Benghazi.
"deformed from gaddafi's torture?"Same is happening in Bahrain a US ally headquarters US Naval fleet
@VexZeez it amazes me that you really believe that a dictator who has been in power for 40 years and has billions in personal assets all over the world, mansions inside and outside libya, and refuses to abide to the voice of the people (democracy), and masquerades himself as a man of the people in spite of all this, is genuinely worth protecting. I come from a country whose leader uses this same tactic. I know a thing or two about gaddafi's mentality. Zero trust. Zero hope in these dogs
@malumalumalu Are you upset that Gaddafi is thief with so much wealth? The whole Middle East and Africa is made up of leaders like that.
"and refuses to abide to the voice of the people (democracy" Libya is made up of tribes so whatever form government would probably depend on the most powerful tribes. Democracy? It'll probably be some Islamic government. The average person probably doesn't even know what is a democracy except they don't like corruption.
Yeah and have you seen the footage where BBC reporter on air confirms that they are surounded by government minders all the time ... you know that they are brining in insurgents from abroad ? and do you know that AlQaida is publicly and openly involved and in the governing body of the rebels ? and do you know that NATO is wondering what ... should we arm these fighter helicopter tank and artillery wielding rebels with 8000+ strong army defectors .... they are all dressed as civs.
lots of videos of rebels hunting black people calling the racial names and cutting their throats burning their bodies or simply shooting them ..... oh yeah freedom of speech is illegal and killings and unrest is common in Benghazi since they freed the prisoners and gave everyone guns... al-qaida is also killing legaly
@Soldior Show me the videos of that. Yes there were a couple of instances of rebels killing blacks because gaddafi imported mercenary killers from chad and algeria to kill libyans. Also many of the prisoners were political prisoners as well. So show me proof that there has been widespread killing of blacks, as opposed to just a couple of isolated incidents
@malumalumalu "Yes there were a couple of instances"
You can simply look at all the reports of African migrants fleeing for their lives to the west or outside the country to flee the rampant killing of black Libyans and foreign migrants and this is unacceptable.
The Los Angeles Times reported from Benghazi, they are roaming the city "rousting Libyan blacks and immigrants from sub-Saharan Africa from their homes and holding them for interrogation as suspected mercenaries or government spies."
@Soldior If you were a fair skinned arab in benghazi, and gaddafi sent secret black merceneraies from chad to kill you and your family, wouldn't u be paranoid too? Wouldn't you be suspicious of the few black people around you too? There is a big difference between interrogation and killing. Benghazi rebels have been pragmatic. They have offered gaddafi a cease fire if he holds free and fair elections. But gaddafi refused. What is he so afraid of? Obviously he knows he will be exiled if he loses
I wonder if white mercenaries would be hunted down tortured killed and their bodies paraded to the masses ? Mercenaries btw is a funny term coming from NATO addicts.. why are they helping ?
Try to chew before swallowing the news.
AU peace deal was rejected by the rebels although it included foreign troops on the ground to monitor the ceasefire ... the rebels are not on the peace table they are talking about war at the moment for a long time.
@Soldior U are brainwashed. Gaddafi wasted no time in the first couple of weeks in importing paid killers (mercenaries) from Chad to fire on his own people. Why don't u criticize this without avoiding it?
Everyone knows AU is in the pocket of Gaddafi. AU has a financial interest in keeping gaddafi in power. The peace deal called for gaddafi to remain, which is against the # 1 demand for the rebels. Why did gaddafi call for 3 different ceasefires and continue to kill his people at the same time?
He indeed imported mercenaries, but most are simply long term professional soldiers, and many from "Chad" are actually southern Libyans. And, most people from chad in the country are workers, not "mercenaries".
"brainwashed" - interesting choice of words. You are parroting the news exactly as its being fed to us, while I am trying to point out that stuff is never as simple as the media portray it.
@boosra Ok leaveing everything aside then, why did gaddafi call for 3 seperate ceasefires while at the same time continuing the bombardment of civilian towns? Why are you not criticizing gaddafi's heinous crimes? Why did gaddafi refuse the rebel's peaceful offers to have a ceasefire if gaddafi allowed for free and fair elections and if he pulled out his forces from the cities so as not to intimate the population? I am thinking you have a grudge
Mate, the reason I am not criticising Gaddafi crimes is because we all know about them. Its the other side of the story people are ignoring.
When Gaddafi called a ceasefire the first time, it was just an old trick to confuse Nato. The rebels for their part immediately attacked while complaining that Gaddafi was attacking.
The news channels actually complained about Gaddafi attacking while showing footage of rebels attacking. Its unbelievably biased.
I have no grudge mate. I am pretty much impartial, and on balance hope the rebels win.
But we are constantly being fed a ridiculous "good vs evil" story - which is never true.
We are told to be outraged by Gaddafi's indiscriminate shelling of towns, but we see with our own eyes the rebels firing off Katusha rockets randomly into cities they happen to be attacking.
We are shown civilians injured "by Gaddafi" when we can have no idea which sides RPG did it.
You are taking this issue from the wrong angle lets step back...
Many countries have regions that would like to split and become their own country unless they get most of the top positions and if they get outside support and weapons they will try and get this by force...
For-example the LTTE terrorists saw extensive action because they were supported by powerful outside forces that wanted to exploit what is an internal issue ... Is India allowed to bomb for the rebels ? no.
@Soldior It does not require outside support to being an armed movement to fight for ones rights. It does not require a need for top positions. Just a simple need for a dignified life and basic opportunities. The LTTE's support from external exploitative forces was negligible. Their main source of arms and dollars came from their own indigenous operations and Sri Lankan Tamil diaspora abroad.
Anyway I am not in complete agreement with the legality of NATO's action, but the alternative is worse
The alternative is now on display in Misurata where armed groups are pouring in from the port to fight the army on the pretext that they need to keep a symbolic base in the west... at the horrific cost of the locals...
Misurata is the same size as Benghazi and the Libyan army has gained back control of 80% of it... without massacres .. the death toll for the entire 2 months is 1000 including rebel fighters. In the last two weeks its 250 including rebel fighters out of 1,000,000..
@Soldior I am not agreeing or disagreeing with your statistics. But I take caution with claims that gaddafi's troops being merciful on the civilians in rebellious cities. We have enough proof- interviews with victims who were mowed down by gaddafi sniper fire, gaddafi actually using tanks and jets to indiscriminately bomb (yes bomb) civilians areas and cities, refusal of gaddafi to heed requests like ceasefires that would ensure the safety of civilians etc. etc.
@malumalumalu Actually thats not true and dont get me wrong i am not saying that Gaddafi or his supporters are clean of everything but they are clearly and logically not guilty of most accusations especially since most are coming directly from rebels and those that are in rebel control and we know that rebels have equally no mercy to opposition opinions... btw Misurata with its surrounding towns = allmost 1million...
Dont forget that this was a peaceful quiet country with nothing happening
@Soldior there's a difference here, gaddafi had declared he was going to go into benghazi and 'bring the roofs in on your heads, kill you in your closets, and destroy your houses', if that isnt declaring intent for massacre then i dont know what is. If the uk, france and usa had waited 1 more day (benghazi residents were fighting in the zoo) then it would have been srebenica 2.0
@pureaccuracy Gaddafi said in the same speech that if you put down your guns nothing will happen to you... clearly he was speaking to armed fighters such as these men just before the speech. bit. ly/nDCDX5
@Soldior i appreciate that you are pissed off that nato is attacking libya, i am a libyan myself, and when i tell you gaddafi was worse than saddam, you can be assured i am not exaggerating. have you any idea of the scale of the silencing of public dissent his regime has employed over the years? have you any idea of the amount of terrorism he has supported? have you ever been to libya? if you even say gaddafis name in public you will likely disappear. he has to go.
@pureaccuracy You compare Gaddafi with Saddam Hussein... now look at what the NATO members have done to Iraq ? do you recognise it ? do you respect the country today ? do you know that millions are dead, foreign troops raid homes men and women in the hundreds are raped thousands missing ? Saddam was a man that put security in place tight because look at the dogs he was keeping away for years from our sight ! Iraq has no sovereignty today with Iran and US and KSA hands deep in Iraqs core.
@pureaccuracy this guy like majority of gaddafi supporters also idolize the serbs who orchestrated these massacres, anyone who is against the west is a hero. Besides gaddafi supported milosovic
There is an unlimited supply of evidence of rebel atrocities.
"Rebels dragged the two patients into the street. They hanged the black man in front of the hospital.” - The Globe&Mail Apr 2
"The protesters have executed 50 African mercenaries and two Libyan conspirators. Even today, conspirators were executed. They were locked up in the police station... died burning inside the building." - Guardian Feb 18
Usually they are hidden in articles so as not to spoil the theme
That is not to say the rebels are all murderers or something, I've seen them behave with occasional gallantry towards injured opponents in the west.
And the inevitable horrors of civil war should not suddenly prompt one to change opinion on the rebel cause.
But accusations, usually unfounded, of crimes by Government troops and police has been used as an argument against Gaddafi. Which is just as ridiculous.
@boosra a military is usually a reflection of the head of state. There is plenty plenty plenty of evidence to show the widespread, coordinated atrocities that gaddafi troops have committed deliberately on innocent civilians. I'm not talking about propaganda proof, i'm talking about unbiased proof. Anyway never forget that gaddafi started all of this. The protesters were peacefully protesting in the cities until gaddafi opened fire on them. Only then were the "rebels" born.
Its the same level of "proof" as there is for Government atrocities thus far.
In the west peaceful protesters were indeed forced into open rebellion. In the east, they rebelled military almost immediately, as they have done numerous times before. Protester casualties were in single figures before over 50 policemen were executed in cold blood. Its no wonder they responded harshly if the "protesters" intend in killing them all, as was the case in much of the east.
pro-democracy forces? Libya is a bunch of tribes like Afghanistan. The form of rule for Libya rest on what the most powerful tribes in Libya choose (not the people). It is the Eastern tribe in Libya that doesn't want Gaddafi.
East Libya is full of Islamist militants that Gaddafi tried to re-radicalize. Obviously he was failed.
Gaddafi troops in Libya, that's not really news is it Al Jazeera? Al Jazeera are the puppet tv station of the oppressive Qatar monarchy, who in turn are an obedient client state to the US, hosting the largest US base in the area. The continued poor reporting from AJ does more to undermine their credibility (which is nil), than anything else.
"Sir, we are running out of ammo we will need to take some from our enemy"... Ha ha. That's a great idea, I must try that sometime! Did they mistranslate that conversation or is it just another Al Jizz lie?
@LibyenRevolution2011 why is this then? the country has done very well for itself the past 30 years , until a small minority of libyians decided to be fucking idiots.
@LibyenRevolution2011 Gaddafi is the man i love him and he will prevail in the End... he has God in his Side unlike the Opposition who love America and NATO
They are not even pointing the weapons at People nor taking them and putting them on the ground like US Troops do why they do a sweep. This whole thing is a Media Scam against a bunch of People who were only defending themselves from a Terrorist attack launched by the Arab League pushed by Rich US Backers that wanted to take over the Corporations run by the Gadhafi Government
I cant stand these little mouthbreathers that come swarming over here from Russia Today, spouting whatever idiotic conspiracy theory Russian State television feeds their stupid minds.
Phooey108 "I cant stand these little mouthbreathers that come swarming over here from Russia Today, spouting whatever idiotic conspiracy theory Russian State television feeds their stupid minds"
Yes, dam these people thinking they can also have their say on the information presented here, they should just accept what the person tells them from the news station ....
"they should just accept what the person tells them from the news station ...."
They accept whatever conspiracy theory Russian State television feeds them. The network that put out a video alleging no Gadaffi warplanes were used to attack rebels. Even though the network claimed the exact opposite in an earlier vid. It's the Kremlin's FoxNews and I'm tired of its disciples channeling its bullshit.
AJ is not a trustworthy source of information anymore....they should be reporting stuff about Justin Bieber or some hollywood shit...so they can report more "stagged" stuff haha.
@sardarhama Oh, no, I don't think they have started something that is too big for them. I think they know very well what they are doing. The problem is that we arethe ones who have no clue of why they are doing it.
Maybe they realized that they were misled by Aljazeera and that the real villains are in fact the rebels and not the Libyan people who are support their Army.
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claudecarson616 2 months ago
Quatar is behind the whole war, al jazeera propaganda
lunabranwen 4 months ago
@lunabranwen
hello,
here in german tv there was a discussion about gadaffi the same day he died. one of the arabian experts there (Ulrich Kienzle) argued somewhat neutral and also mentioned pro-gadaffi things until the TV moderator disrupted him an keeped interviewing some other lame people who hoorayed the rebels.
can you tell me in short what quatar has to do with libya ? thanks in advance.
ichlieberave 4 months ago
@lunabranwen
..oops i forgot to mention the point of my question : Ulrich Kienzle started to say the same as you. something about Quatar and that there are elections soon (or something like this, unfourtunatly it was not understandable because of the moderators intervention) - thats the reason for my question.
ichlieberave 4 months ago
@ichlieberave
Qatar is a neighbouring to Libya country that was hired by US, France and GB to be the main enforcer and frontman in bringing down the Jamahiriya in exchange for part of the Libyan pie (main ingredients: high grade oil and fresh water).
That's in short..
BoondockSaint20111 3 months ago
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@lunabranwen
Qatar is a neighbouring to Libya country that was hired by US, France and GB to be the main enforcer and frontman in bringing down the Jamahiriya in exchange for part of the Libyan pie (main ingredients: high grade oil and fresh water).
That's in short..
BoondockSaint20111 3 months ago
qatar = jewish puppy
bombing qatar
kill qatar
Roofius2 5 months ago
@Roofius2 CAN I WATCH ONE FUCKING VIDEO WITHOUT SEEING JEW OR ISRAEL?
FUCK YOU.........
AccessDenied55 4 months ago
Al Jazeera = jewish lies media
Roofius2 5 months ago
Looks like a bunch of rag tag people to me, call this a Army? No wonder the freedom fighters are winning.
aiwiron 5 months ago
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TheServiceWeb 6 months ago
NOT RARE, if you wanted, there hundreds of video showing who and what the real army of Libya is.
Geez, this is sickening Al Jazeera.
tybash 6 months ago
Thumbs up to the freedom fighters !
TrueHolyGhost 6 months ago 2
fuck qatar, fuck al jazira, fuck kardaoui
ouaresnis 6 months ago
Free legitimate government elected by the people and represent the true will of the people rather than the repressive dictatorship of terrorist, barbarism and brutality which Gaddafi was exercised for 42 years, this is what we are fighting for and we will keep fighting till the dream come true and we have our free, new and liberated Libya . VIVA Free Libya.
Libyanohawk 6 months ago
AlJazeera=CNN
CuscaKid 7 months ago
'weve never seen the other side of the conflict!..aka the libyan army/BUT thats wierd...why not? You mean AJ has only till april seen the insurgents? Were they even trying to be even handed? AJ has shamed itself and put an end to its legacy as one of the few media free of the western paradigm. What a shame..inn the end they are just another tool of imperialism
jalusbrian 7 months ago 2
thor381 7 months ago
Al Jazeer lies again. LOL pathetic. QUATAR NATO DISINFO TV!
SubZero1703 8 months ago
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belybor 9 months ago
whats with the RAT thing. lol. the soldiers are calling civilians and nato rats lol
mangetsu11 9 months ago
Russia supports Gaddafi!
Surrender rats!
NATO go home!
ArtificialReefs 9 months ago
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oh muammar the angel of death draws near
oh muammar you shall soon feel the point of the spear
the conspiracy theorist losers can not save you from justice
you are soon going to taste the people's malice
maybe you will be put in a cage like the coward karadzich
maybe you will be hanged like the coward saddam hussein
of the two it doesn't matter which
there is nothing left for you now but humiliation and pain
ArmenOfTheNorth 9 months ago
pro-democray? the insurgents with their flag of King Idrees??????? this is an eg of the brazen lies AJ is putting out on orders from their Dictator, the Emir of Qatar!
show us the democracy in qatar!
jalusbrian 9 months ago
@jalusbrian typical lack of libyan history by gaddafis foreign fans, the flag is libya's independence flag king was elected after independence. He is not coming back but at least he and his Senussi movement fought italians for decades and at end of ww2 in alliance with allied powers freed libya. They will always have a place in libya's history
00Juwan00 7 months ago
@00Juwan00 an elected king? hm..well we do have elected dictators..look at Bush, Blair, Obomber, Sarcozy etc...Senussi are religious fanatics
jalusbrian 7 months ago
@jalusbrian monarchy is not coming back, but senussis huge role in resisting occupation was why their leader was elected by a libyan leaders as king =unifying figure. after Gaddafi coup he cancelled elections, parliament and constituition which limited power of king, G vs King was absolute ruler for 42 years with sons to inherit! Still libyans demonstrated for a fully democratic republic during monarchy, especially in Benghazi. King unlike G sometimes responded to demos eg he changed oil law.
00Juwan00 7 months ago
Go freedom fighters, Libyas tyrant will die.
mikey3k 9 months ago
Long live the libyan working class heroes
bernalyckan 10 months ago
Pro democracy forces? How exactly does aljazeerah label those terrorist scum as that?
Mikkhailov 10 months ago
ALJAZEERA IS SCUM period.
sbugiardo 10 months ago
in the end gaddafi and his army will be dancing on the graves of the rebels nato and aljazeerah and hopefully on that biased reporter as well
4against1 10 months ago 2
WE love libya, We love Qazzaffi , My uncle is in libyan Army , he Saw the British cops are fighting against Islamic country libya. They saw Italiyan Army fighting against libyan army .....Why muslim cant see? they just see what jews want to show them ...
changwani1 10 months ago 2
THE PEOPLE WHO WERE ACTING LIKE CIVILIANS WERE GADAFYS SOLDIERS WEARING CIVIL CLOTHS
Alilibya4466 10 months ago
Go Gadaffi Army kill them dogs and NATO worshipers ! allah akabr
TheSufisomali 10 months ago
The intelligence of the youtube community is truly astonishing. Comment sections should just be removed, this is ridiculous.
SirAvalord 10 months ago
Why is Nato there? For example they should attack Syria also! Oh yea, its a wasp nest they cannot handle!
zeauzeg 11 months ago
I wish all Arab media were like Al-Jazeera,” – Gideon Ezra, former deputy head of Israeli General Security Service.
SAY NO TO AL JAZEERA IN THE USA...FOX NEWS IS ENOUGH!!
PayBacckGang 11 months ago 2
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GO AHEAD BITCHES..I JUST INSULTED YOUR OWNER AND QATARS TYRANT..GOERUN DISABLE THE COMMENTS..FUCCKIN SCUM. RUN AL JAZEERS RUNNNNNNN
PayBacckGang 11 months ago 4
FUCK amim bin Hamad al-Thani
FUCK AL JEWZEERA
FUCK QATAR
PayBacckGang 11 months ago 10
@PayBacckGang wash your smelly ass and balls yo nappy motherfucker yo !!
Gaddafi is dead now so suck it up b!tch !!
aboodal3las 4 months ago
Gaddafis men are mad strong all the true black Africans are with you Gaddafi. Forget them Arab cowards. The rebels are just mad because they know their days are numbered despite the help from white Europeanized pigs.
88Kobe88 11 months ago
Doesn't Gaddafi have ANY ships with guns? If any are seaworthy, he could send them up the coast and shell rebel positions at much closer range. I'll bet he wishes he had a couple of old, but working, Soviet-era destroyers right now.
InfiniteMushroom 11 months ago
@InfiniteMushroom
He has plenty of frigates and missile boats, and a few supported the defence of Ras Lanouf last month, but now there is a NATO naval blockade in place.
The couple of frigates he had supporting the battle in Misrata were sunk or driven ashore by the French, so I'd imagine what's left don't venture out much anymore.
boosra 11 months ago
@boosra Sounds like what little naval power he had rusted away at the pier after 40 years of sanctions.
If Tripoli is blockaded, I'd love to see a one-chance attack on the blockade. Artillery from land and what little ships he has from the sea. Even if it means pleasure boats with mortars and RPG launchers!
If Gaddafi can just suppress the rebels for enough time, he can then turn and fight the blockade. THAT would rally the rest of Libya behind him. Classic David vs Goliath!
InfiniteMushroom 10 months ago
Gaddafi is a HERO
chatter101010 11 months ago
if i wil b born again inshaallah i wish Gaddafi to be my fadher....
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manforever15 11 months ago
sheeeeee loooka lika man
mangymantis 11 months ago
Of course they are gonna say they don't belong to the rebels
CocaC 11 months ago
Oh, wow! Gaddafi has a lot of people on trolling Al Jazeera's channel... Bit desperate if you ask me...
joymora 11 months ago
"pro-democracy forces" - LOL
abz2000123 11 months ago
One short video is enough to convince you that Gaddafi is the good guy? Wistful thinking.
exicci 11 months ago
Gaddafi is Awesome!!
chatter101010 11 months ago
haha american soldier just got shot outside my house dont fuck with my country!! usa britan france italy this is a warning i will take my dads gun and shoot all that come to libya. allahu wuakbar!
fifa11messi 11 months ago
this is wht happen before usa was helping all said negative abt it now deal with it
tomyloveu 11 months ago
Crush those rats, Gaddafi loyalists!
vidura 11 months ago
Go Gaddafi!
Selerzz 11 months ago
Shup Up, VexZeez.
This Gadaffi is a insane man
bratao 11 months ago
@bratao
Not exactly a deep analysis there bratao
He is not Santa Claus by any means, but he is far from the nutjob the media try to make him out to be..
boosra 11 months ago
well, viva la Lybia :)
boyyeudoi101090 11 months ago
This is good news. Go Gaddafi, fuck illuminati! Take Ajdabiya and then Tobruk, so the zionist merchenaries gets surrounded.
Ataturkistan 11 months ago 15
@Ataturkistan illuminati? LOL
pureaccuracy 7 months ago
@Ataturkistan yeah go gaddafi ...to hell LOL he is dead now !! XD
aboodal3las 4 months ago
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@2000GWW If you don't think Gaddafi soldiers are monsters. Watch this video showing how the soldiers are trained before they enter these cities, I promise you will change your opinion. /watch?v=dwAwNnq1I8M
liwaroman 11 months ago
But Libyans who believe in their cause of defending their leader and fighting rebels who of as traitors that gave the green light to foreigners to attack the country's sovereignty. Libya is deeply divided. I really think countries who opposed the bombings should pressure the UN and NATO to create a line separating east and west libya and threaten to bomb anyone who passes while forcing both sides to negotiate a deal. It would proberbly take years, but atleast it will stop a civil war.
DowJones19 11 months ago
Take notice guys on the next "rare omg footage of Gaddafi forces" video, comments are disabled ....
TheAsfaloth 11 months ago
I have a pretty good idea what the ani-Gaddafi forces are fighting for but I would really like to find out what is motivating gaddafi's forces.
Delta4ms 11 months ago
Why do they keep saying pro-democracy? Sounds like something USA mainstream media would say,
Wylff 11 months ago
the C.I.A. lost.
jimmyzeno57 11 months ago
Gaddafi is destroying his own country and killing his own people for power and greed 42 years is enough
nnmk001 11 months ago
going house to house? that's ridiculous. Gaddafi is a egomaniac.
lindabebe835 11 months ago
@lindabebe835 Mail carriers would take offence to that.
luc649 11 months ago
if i were them, i'd show a green flag and then do my thang.
lindabebe835 11 months ago
Why are we not seeing what is going on in Egypt Al J ?
benshivd 11 months ago
@MrSammuscle hahahaha in your dreams, unless you kill all the people in there and bring in Chadians to live in it, which is far from reality and the whole Libya will be free SOON insaallah (that's the difference between you and us, we depend on Allah in everything and call him for everything, you call your and depend on your G man)
SleepCountry009 11 months ago
I just hope at sometime during my life I will be able to visit libya, meet the people and form my own conclusions. Until then I have no right as a citizen of the world to place blame on a nation that chooses to govern itself differently from my own.
-A distant Canadian onlooker
knightedtemplar 11 months ago
@knightedtemplar Sometimes they themselves don't know what is right for them. However these stories are shrouded in lies so we have no idea what the situation really is.
DvineGaming 11 months ago
@DvineGaming Not lies as so much as half truths. Such is the way of collecting information, you will always find the resources needed toprove your own thoughts right if you look for them. Al Jazeeera's as well as any other news program will have a slant because people find what they want to find. Anyway I will continue to watch to see what the outcome is.
knightedtemplar 11 months ago
*sighs* This video proves that Gaddafi's forces are people as well not all monsters as they are made out to be. I'm not surprised that some might be claim to be forced into warfare by gaddafi just ask any soldier to see if there were actions they were forced to do which they disliked. The only difference which I'm seeing here is that allegations come out when shots have been fired and that seems to make them more grave.
knightedtemplar 11 months ago 3
@knightedtemplar If you don't think Gaddafi soldiers are monsters. Watch this video showing how the soldiers are trained before they enter these cities, I promise you will change your opinion. /watch?v=dwAwNnq1I8M
liwaroman 11 months ago
AJ is turning into the Fox News of the middle east now.
TheAsfaloth 11 months ago
@ all pro gaddafi puppets who are calling themselfes "muslims" i ask me what do you want to say to your creator after He asked you about you wrote?
LibyenRevolution2011 11 months ago
Prison for our war criminal politicians.
nobodymuch 11 months ago
Aljazeera exposes Aljazeera. lol
Good job exposing yourself Aljazeera.
VexZeez 11 months ago
lol
The rare video proves Gaddafi didn't bring a bloodbath. The same would of happened to Benghazi probably. In Gaddafi's speech to Benghazi he offered Amnesty so Benghazi would of gone like Ajdabiya. NO BLOODBATH!
Thanks AlJazeera for accidentally disproving the war propaganda that Gaddafi sought to slaughter. lol
VexZeez 11 months ago 25
@VexZeez The vast majority of east Libya is anti-Gaddafi. Gaddafi would have to create a massacre similar to the Hama massacre by Assad if he would want to have even the slightest chance of controlling it's rebellious population again. And this footage doesn't disprove other claims like the 100's missing from Adjabiya, taken by Gaddafi's forces when they re occupied it.
But I will tell you what video does prove though. It proves that the vast majority of pro-gaddafi soldiers are not mercenaries
DowJones19 11 months ago 2
@DowJones19 East Libya has some tribe that has a history of going against Gaddafi. I think a tribe in East Libya was involved in a coup in 1996.
VexZeez 11 months ago
@VexZeez Excellent logic. Despite the 300 videos showing massacres, sniping of TODDLERS, murder & rape of women, and the several week-long DAILY 24/7 SHELLING & BOMBARDMENT (still continuing now) of residential areas of several Libyan cities, a something-second long video of troops going house to house interrogating citizens proves Gaddafi is a merciful sociopath? Awesome. Definitely proves "no bloodbaths". Good work Sherlock.
War propaganda aside, wake the F*** up sheep.
BarcaFeb17 11 months ago 2
@BarcaFeb17 It isn't so much logic but stating what the video shows and doesn't show. And this video does not show BLOODBATHS, nor "massacres", "sniping of TODDLERS", "murder & rape of women".
"troops going house to house interrogating citizens proves Gaddafi is a merciful sociopath"
Stupid comment. Of course soldiers will have to search and interrogate for their safety. Also to confiscate any weapons rebels might try to use.
The video debunks the war propaganda.
VexZeez 11 months ago
@VexZeez
Exactly. Gaddafi specifically said there would be amnesty for civilians and anyone who disarmed, and no mercy for armed combatants, but all the news channels chose to report it as "no mercy to civilians".
Gaddafi has had to march on Benghazi several times before, notably in the 90's, and there was no bloodbath.
Also, this video disproves the lie that the rebels flee before Gaddafi's "superior weaponry". Mostly, the rebels are fighting against the same equipment as their own.
boosra 11 months ago
@boosra But you just saw Gaddafi's troops moving a heavy missile launcher. Also how can you judge the content of his army from one video, that showed a handful of soldiers and jeeps? What about images of bombed out tanks? Also...you're forgetting that Gaddafi bombed civilian protesters before they were forced to organize into a militia. There are hundreds of reports, video footage, and defected soldiers to tell that story. How can you just forget about that and conclude 'no bloodbath'??
radscorpion8 11 months ago
@radscorpion8
The rebels have the exact same missile launchers. They are on hundreds of videos.
Yes, he has tanks, but they are mostly destroyed or being shuffled around to avoid airstrikes. their effect is minimal lately. The rebels also have some tanks, we saw them getting hit last week. As for the bombing of protesters, that simply never happened. The news said it happened, but it did not. We saw the odd plane, saw an ammo dump exploding, even saw shot protesters - but no bombing.
boosra 11 months ago
@radscorpion8
I am not saying Gaddafi would never do such things - he is capable of pretty much anything, and the response to protesters was predictably heavy handed and occasionally murderous.
But he hasn't stayed in power so long by being stupid and reckless.
Why would he want to bomb unarmed protesters? He could just shoot them surely.
The bombing began when thousands of guys with machine guns began driving towards his capital saying they were going to string him up.
boosra 11 months ago
@radscorpion8
Oh, also about the heavy missile launcher. That's a Grad missile truck. You can see the same piece of kit here during the rebel advance on Brega.
watch?v=VFUhzJtxZFs
Both sides are using the same stuff. Gaddafi has more of it though of course.
Just so you know, I am not a Gaddafi supporter at all - but I do have a problem with our media acting as unquestioning cheerleaders for one side, instead of sober reporters on a complex civil war.
Cheers
boosra 11 months ago
@VexZeez you idiot. U actually consider this 5 second footage as proof that gaddafi is a good guy? What about the thousands of hours of footage showing gaddafi forces massacring civilians and bombing civilians with their tanks? You foolish cowardly hypocrite. Obviously u care about your agenda, not the civilians. Anyway for your information, gaddafi warned that he would show NO MERCY to those who rose up against him. Are you naturally dumb or did you fall on your brain as a child?
malumalumalu 10 months ago
@malumalumalu
No one is saying he is a good guy. What he was saying is that there was no inevitable bloodbath in Benghazi.
Gaddafi has taken lots of towns in this conflict, and there has been no bloodbath. In 1995 he was fighting these same guys and took Banghazi as he was about to this time around. Again: No Bloodbath.
And no, he did NOT promise no mercy to all those who rose up. He promised no mercy specifically to armed opponents, and promised complete pardon for all unarmed civilians.
boosra 10 months ago
@boosra How about he is a great guy because someone bombed his home and killed his adopted daughter and would have killed his only daughter if she didn't woke up and left the room she was 9 years old 25 years ago yesterday .... he is eccentric but not a murderer as the mass spinning weal of media that got us in the Iraqi blood bath.
Soldior 10 months ago
@malumalumalu Stop telling obvious lies. This isn't a a 5 second clip idiot.
"What about the thousands of hours of footage showing gaddafi forces massacring civilians and bombing civilians with their tanks?" Provide links and stop stating it like that actually exists. Making up more lies?
"Obviously u care about your agenda, not the civilians." What agenda is that? You know something about me? Or are you lying about me you liar?
VexZeez 10 months ago
@malumalumalu "gaddafi warned that he would show NO MERCY to those who rose up against him" Did Gaddafi really say that? He gave a speech on March 17 to Benghazi where he offered peace and amnesty and called Benghazi his children he forgives. He told the islamists rebels to flee while they still can. I have the videos to prove it. What you and your baseless claims?
"Are you naturally dumb or did you fall on your brain as a child? " Are you naturally a liar and name-caller.
VexZeez 10 months ago
@VexZeez You need to read the story more closely. Have you not seen the footage, interview, raw video of libyan civilians being shot and bombed by gaddafi? Civilians, not rebels! Have you not seen the victims of gaddafi's prisons who just escaped in the last month and revealed what gaddafi put them through? Their bodies and faces deformed from gaddafi's torture? All for what? For speaking out against him. Have you not seen the kids in tripoli brainwashed to praise gaddafi, instead of studying??
malumalumalu 10 months ago
@malumalumalu I've seen footage of rebels and Gaddafi forces fighting each other within cities. Any fighting that occurs in cities using tanks, RPGs, AK-47s will kill any civilians in the wrong place.
I highly doubt Gaddafi troops are intentionally firing from tanks into cities to kill civilians. That's propaganda. But live fire was used to suppress early protests in Libya especially Benghazi.
"deformed from gaddafi's torture?"Same is happening in Bahrain a US ally headquarters US Naval fleet
VexZeez 10 months ago
@VexZeez it amazes me that you really believe that a dictator who has been in power for 40 years and has billions in personal assets all over the world, mansions inside and outside libya, and refuses to abide to the voice of the people (democracy), and masquerades himself as a man of the people in spite of all this, is genuinely worth protecting. I come from a country whose leader uses this same tactic. I know a thing or two about gaddafi's mentality. Zero trust. Zero hope in these dogs
malumalumalu 10 months ago
@malumalumalu Are you upset that Gaddafi is thief with so much wealth? The whole Middle East and Africa is made up of leaders like that.
"and refuses to abide to the voice of the people (democracy" Libya is made up of tribes so whatever form government would probably depend on the most powerful tribes. Democracy? It'll probably be some Islamic government. The average person probably doesn't even know what is a democracy except they don't like corruption.
Gaddafi isn't a puppet to be removed
VexZeez 10 months ago
@malumalumalu
Yeah and have you seen the footage where BBC reporter on air confirms that they are surounded by government minders all the time ... you know that they are brining in insurgents from abroad ? and do you know that AlQaida is publicly and openly involved and in the governing body of the rebels ? and do you know that NATO is wondering what ... should we arm these fighter helicopter tank and artillery wielding rebels with 8000+ strong army defectors .... they are all dressed as civs.
Soldior 10 months ago
@malumalumalu
lots of videos of rebels hunting black people calling the racial names and cutting their throats burning their bodies or simply shooting them ..... oh yeah freedom of speech is illegal and killings and unrest is common in Benghazi since they freed the prisoners and gave everyone guns... al-qaida is also killing legaly
Thanks a bunch
Soldior 10 months ago
@Soldior Show me the videos of that. Yes there were a couple of instances of rebels killing blacks because gaddafi imported mercenary killers from chad and algeria to kill libyans. Also many of the prisoners were political prisoners as well. So show me proof that there has been widespread killing of blacks, as opposed to just a couple of isolated incidents
malumalumalu 10 months ago
@malumalumalu "Yes there were a couple of instances"
You can simply look at all the reports of African migrants fleeing for their lives to the west or outside the country to flee the rampant killing of black Libyans and foreign migrants and this is unacceptable.
The Los Angeles Times reported from Benghazi, they are roaming the city "rousting Libyan blacks and immigrants from sub-Saharan Africa from their homes and holding them for interrogation as suspected mercenaries or government spies."
Soldior 10 months ago
@Soldior If you were a fair skinned arab in benghazi, and gaddafi sent secret black merceneraies from chad to kill you and your family, wouldn't u be paranoid too? Wouldn't you be suspicious of the few black people around you too? There is a big difference between interrogation and killing. Benghazi rebels have been pragmatic. They have offered gaddafi a cease fire if he holds free and fair elections. But gaddafi refused. What is he so afraid of? Obviously he knows he will be exiled if he loses
malumalumalu 10 months ago
@malumalumalu
I wonder if white mercenaries would be hunted down tortured killed and their bodies paraded to the masses ? Mercenaries btw is a funny term coming from NATO addicts.. why are they helping ?
Try to chew before swallowing the news.
AU peace deal was rejected by the rebels although it included foreign troops on the ground to monitor the ceasefire ... the rebels are not on the peace table they are talking about war at the moment for a long time.
Soldior 10 months ago
@Soldior U are brainwashed. Gaddafi wasted no time in the first couple of weeks in importing paid killers (mercenaries) from Chad to fire on his own people. Why don't u criticize this without avoiding it?
Everyone knows AU is in the pocket of Gaddafi. AU has a financial interest in keeping gaddafi in power. The peace deal called for gaddafi to remain, which is against the # 1 demand for the rebels. Why did gaddafi call for 3 different ceasefires and continue to kill his people at the same time?
malumalumalu 10 months ago
@malumalumalu
He indeed imported mercenaries, but most are simply long term professional soldiers, and many from "Chad" are actually southern Libyans. And, most people from chad in the country are workers, not "mercenaries".
"brainwashed" - interesting choice of words. You are parroting the news exactly as its being fed to us, while I am trying to point out that stuff is never as simple as the media portray it.
You are not the one thinking independently here.
boosra 10 months ago
@boosra Ok leaveing everything aside then, why did gaddafi call for 3 seperate ceasefires while at the same time continuing the bombardment of civilian towns? Why are you not criticizing gaddafi's heinous crimes? Why did gaddafi refuse the rebel's peaceful offers to have a ceasefire if gaddafi allowed for free and fair elections and if he pulled out his forces from the cities so as not to intimate the population? I am thinking you have a grudge
malumalumalu 10 months ago
@malumalumalu
Mate, the reason I am not criticising Gaddafi crimes is because we all know about them. Its the other side of the story people are ignoring.
When Gaddafi called a ceasefire the first time, it was just an old trick to confuse Nato. The rebels for their part immediately attacked while complaining that Gaddafi was attacking.
The news channels actually complained about Gaddafi attacking while showing footage of rebels attacking. Its unbelievably biased.
boosra 10 months ago
@malumalumalu
I have no grudge mate. I am pretty much impartial, and on balance hope the rebels win.
But we are constantly being fed a ridiculous "good vs evil" story - which is never true.
We are told to be outraged by Gaddafi's indiscriminate shelling of towns, but we see with our own eyes the rebels firing off Katusha rockets randomly into cities they happen to be attacking.
We are shown civilians injured "by Gaddafi" when we can have no idea which sides RPG did it.
And so on...
boosra 10 months ago
@boosra ok fair enough :)
malumalumalu 10 months ago
@boosra Ok fair enough :) I'm burying the hatchet :)
malumalumalu 10 months ago
@malumalumalu
:)
boosra 10 months ago
@malumalumalu
You are taking this issue from the wrong angle lets step back...
Many countries have regions that would like to split and become their own country unless they get most of the top positions and if they get outside support and weapons they will try and get this by force...
For-example the LTTE terrorists saw extensive action because they were supported by powerful outside forces that wanted to exploit what is an internal issue ... Is India allowed to bomb for the rebels ? no.
Soldior 10 months ago
@Soldior It does not require outside support to being an armed movement to fight for ones rights. It does not require a need for top positions. Just a simple need for a dignified life and basic opportunities. The LTTE's support from external exploitative forces was negligible. Their main source of arms and dollars came from their own indigenous operations and Sri Lankan Tamil diaspora abroad.
Anyway I am not in complete agreement with the legality of NATO's action, but the alternative is worse
malumalumalu 10 months ago
@malumalumalu
The alternative is now on display in Misurata where armed groups are pouring in from the port to fight the army on the pretext that they need to keep a symbolic base in the west... at the horrific cost of the locals...
Misurata is the same size as Benghazi and the Libyan army has gained back control of 80% of it... without massacres .. the death toll for the entire 2 months is 1000 including rebel fighters. In the last two weeks its 250 including rebel fighters out of 1,000,000..
Soldior 10 months ago
@Soldior I am not agreeing or disagreeing with your statistics. But I take caution with claims that gaddafi's troops being merciful on the civilians in rebellious cities. We have enough proof- interviews with victims who were mowed down by gaddafi sniper fire, gaddafi actually using tanks and jets to indiscriminately bomb (yes bomb) civilians areas and cities, refusal of gaddafi to heed requests like ceasefires that would ensure the safety of civilians etc. etc.
malumalumalu 10 months ago
@malumalumalu Actually thats not true and dont get me wrong i am not saying that Gaddafi or his supporters are clean of everything but they are clearly and logically not guilty of most accusations especially since most are coming directly from rebels and those that are in rebel control and we know that rebels have equally no mercy to opposition opinions... btw Misurata with its surrounding towns = allmost 1million...
Dont forget that this was a peaceful quiet country with nothing happening
Soldior 10 months ago
@Soldior there's a difference here, gaddafi had declared he was going to go into benghazi and 'bring the roofs in on your heads, kill you in your closets, and destroy your houses', if that isnt declaring intent for massacre then i dont know what is. If the uk, france and usa had waited 1 more day (benghazi residents were fighting in the zoo) then it would have been srebenica 2.0
pureaccuracy 7 months ago
@pureaccuracy Gaddafi said in the same speech that if you put down your guns nothing will happen to you... clearly he was speaking to armed fighters such as these men just before the speech. bit. ly/nDCDX5
remove space in link infront of ly
Soldior 7 months ago
@Soldior i appreciate that you are pissed off that nato is attacking libya, i am a libyan myself, and when i tell you gaddafi was worse than saddam, you can be assured i am not exaggerating. have you any idea of the scale of the silencing of public dissent his regime has employed over the years? have you any idea of the amount of terrorism he has supported? have you ever been to libya? if you even say gaddafis name in public you will likely disappear. he has to go.
pureaccuracy 7 months ago
@pureaccuracy You compare Gaddafi with Saddam Hussein... now look at what the NATO members have done to Iraq ? do you recognise it ? do you respect the country today ? do you know that millions are dead, foreign troops raid homes men and women in the hundreds are raped thousands missing ? Saddam was a man that put security in place tight because look at the dogs he was keeping away for years from our sight ! Iraq has no sovereignty today with Iran and US and KSA hands deep in Iraqs core.
Soldior 7 months ago
@pureaccuracy this guy like majority of gaddafi supporters also idolize the serbs who orchestrated these massacres, anyone who is against the west is a hero. Besides gaddafi supported milosovic
00Juwan00 7 months ago
@malumalumalu
There is an unlimited supply of evidence of rebel atrocities.
"Rebels dragged the two patients into the street. They hanged the black man in front of the hospital.” - The Globe&Mail Apr 2
"The protesters have executed 50 African mercenaries and two Libyan conspirators. Even today, conspirators were executed. They were locked up in the police station... died burning inside the building." - Guardian Feb 18
Usually they are hidden in articles so as not to spoil the theme
boosra 10 months ago
@malumalumalu
That is not to say the rebels are all murderers or something, I've seen them behave with occasional gallantry towards injured opponents in the west.
And the inevitable horrors of civil war should not suddenly prompt one to change opinion on the rebel cause.
But accusations, usually unfounded, of crimes by Government troops and police has been used as an argument against Gaddafi. Which is just as ridiculous.
boosra 10 months ago
@boosra a military is usually a reflection of the head of state. There is plenty plenty plenty of evidence to show the widespread, coordinated atrocities that gaddafi troops have committed deliberately on innocent civilians. I'm not talking about propaganda proof, i'm talking about unbiased proof. Anyway never forget that gaddafi started all of this. The protesters were peacefully protesting in the cities until gaddafi opened fire on them. Only then were the "rebels" born.
malumalumalu 10 months ago
@malumalumalu
Its the same level of "proof" as there is for Government atrocities thus far.
In the west peaceful protesters were indeed forced into open rebellion. In the east, they rebelled military almost immediately, as they have done numerous times before. Protester casualties were in single figures before over 50 policemen were executed in cold blood. Its no wonder they responded harshly if the "protesters" intend in killing them all, as was the case in much of the east.
boosra 10 months ago
lol
pro-democracy forces? Libya is a bunch of tribes like Afghanistan. The form of rule for Libya rest on what the most powerful tribes in Libya choose (not the people). It is the Eastern tribe in Libya that doesn't want Gaddafi.
East Libya is full of Islamist militants that Gaddafi tried to re-radicalize. Obviously he was failed.
VexZeez 11 months ago 2
Fuck America !!!
ghsayhaghragha10 11 months ago
Gaddafi will crush these terrorist forces and bring salvation to the people of Libya
Long Live Freedom
Long Live Libya
Long Live Gaddafi
TehAnxiety 11 months ago 4
Long live the Revolution! Long live Freedom! Thank you Al-jazeera!
Shame on Erdogan!!
LibyenRevolution2011 11 months ago
@dellbalboa I accidentally thumbs upped your comment. sorry.
PintSizedSlasherJr 11 months ago
The world Supports Gaddafi! Kill those terrorist! These rebels are jihadist and will be the next Taliban! No more Taliban!
TMack771 11 months ago
shame on turkey for not taking a stand in helping libyans
moester101 11 months ago
Gaddafi troops in Libya, that's not really news is it Al Jazeera? Al Jazeera are the puppet tv station of the oppressive Qatar monarchy, who in turn are an obedient client state to the US, hosting the largest US base in the area. The continued poor reporting from AJ does more to undermine their credibility (which is nil), than anything else.
HelmetBlissta 11 months ago
"Sir, we are running out of ammo we will need to take some from our enemy"... Ha ha. That's a great idea, I must try that sometime! Did they mistranslate that conversation or is it just another Al Jizz lie?
guydecervens 11 months ago 3
Everyone who support Gaddafi and his troops must be ill and need really help by a doctor.
LibyenRevolution2011 11 months ago
@LibyenRevolution2011 why is this then? the country has done very well for itself the past 30 years , until a small minority of libyians decided to be fucking idiots.
doylieboy1 11 months ago
@LibyenRevolution2011 Gaddafi is the man i love him and he will prevail in the End...
YemeniSerb 11 months ago
@LibyenRevolution2011 Gaddafi is the man i love him and he will prevail in the End... he has God in his Side unlike the Opposition who love America and NATO
YemeniSerb 11 months ago
@LibyenRevolution2011 Gadhafi 2012
luc649 11 months ago
@luc649 lol Gadhafi/Obama 2012
Obama is VP. Gadhafi President of the US.
VexZeez 11 months ago
It clearly shows fuck all. It could be interpreted however. I won't be brainwashed by the media!
frediablo 11 months ago 3
They are not even pointing the weapons at People nor taking them and putting them on the ground like US Troops do why they do a sweep. This whole thing is a Media Scam against a bunch of People who were only defending themselves from a Terrorist attack launched by the Arab League pushed by Rich US Backers that wanted to take over the Corporations run by the Gadhafi Government
JosephLoegering 11 months ago 3
Yea go Gaddafi, woot!!!
xxSerpenttinexx 11 months ago
tommy take your censorship and shove it not everyone has a delusional view of the west and it's rabble rousing.
TheEviIOyo 11 months ago
TO HELL WITH GADAFFI !!! HE IS A DEVIL !!!
GADAFFI TOOK LOTS OF LIVES JUST TO STAY IN POWER !!!
FHINNY 11 months ago
GREAT JOB BY GADDAFI!!!
Reqrezentin 11 months ago
Im so proud of Gaddafi and his troops... it puts a big smile on my face
kenyata 11 months ago
I cant stand these little mouthbreathers that come swarming over here from Russia Today, spouting whatever idiotic conspiracy theory Russian State television feeds their stupid minds.
phooey108 11 months ago
@phooey108
Phooey108 "I cant stand these little mouthbreathers that come swarming over here from Russia Today, spouting whatever idiotic conspiracy theory Russian State television feeds their stupid minds"
Yes, dam these people thinking they can also have their say on the information presented here, they should just accept what the person tells them from the news station ....
TheAsfaloth 11 months ago
@TheAsfaloth
"they should just accept what the person tells them from the news station ...."
They accept whatever conspiracy theory Russian State television feeds them. The network that put out a video alleging no Gadaffi warplanes were used to attack rebels. Even though the network claimed the exact opposite in an earlier vid. It's the Kremlin's FoxNews and I'm tired of its disciples channeling its bullshit.
phooey108 11 months ago
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phooey108 11 months ago
AJ is not a trustworthy source of information anymore....they should be reporting stuff about Justin Bieber or some hollywood shit...so they can report more "stagged" stuff haha.
Frost87112 11 months ago
no it isn't propaganda she just commented on the video, please leave comments disbaled next time
Tommy4216 11 months ago
what's wrong with nato chickens
why they start something that's too big for them
sardarhama 11 months ago
@sardarhama Oh, no, I don't think they have started something that is too big for them. I think they know very well what they are doing. The problem is that we arethe ones who have no clue of why they are doing it.
MarceloRodrigues1 11 months ago
@sardarhama
Maybe they realized that they were misled by Aljazeera and that the real villains are in fact the rebels and not the Libyan people who are support their Army.
123VivaDjazair 11 months ago
FOXJazeera
Tempus81 11 months ago