Yes Thank you indeed for the uploads.This was a very well done Docudrama type program.I particularly liked the personal questioning posed between characters.May have been somewaht sappy at times but again it was a nice addition.What worries me is that as resourses dwindle in the years to come and economys falter this could happen.
"AND MAKE SURE YOU DON"T GO ONLINE or EMAIL people or play computer GAMES or Play STATION or look UP PORN on the web. JUST STIck to what you already have on your hard LOL drive!.... That is all." REALLY!
@jmitterii2 better yet disconnect your pc from the internet and all wired and wireless sources. and cover it in copper shieldings. . Copper is rather amazing with its capabilities towards emp.
So lemme get this straight: the US Navy moves to stop an illegal blockade of international waters by Oman. An Omani gunboat fires on a US ship and is sunk in response.
SUDDENLY NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
And in the middle of this, the news crew invades the bridge to demand information on whose nuke it was IN THE MIDDLE OF A BATTLE. Yes, because adding your indignant shouting to the command center is precisely what's going to turn all of this idiocy around, right?
There is a line in the Tom Clancy novel "Red Storm rising" when the lead Soviet Comander walks out of a Politburo meeting about the use of tactical nuclear weapons to create a break thru in stalemated lines. It goes like this "...and the General saw for a moment the door to hell crack open a little". I think that is one of the most telling lines in all of nuclear fiction and easily applies to the first part of this vid
@Elemarth Because for an emp effect to have any meaningful range it has to detonated high above the ground. A nuclear test was actually televised in Nevada. Hundreds of nuclear explosions have been filmed as well.
What about EMP? Wouldn't that have rendered Mick's A/V equipment useless? Unless of course him and his crew were using shielded equipment, which may have been the case. The technology did exist to shield sensitive electronic equipment from EMP, and was obviously extensively employed by military units, including Carrier Battle Groups, SAC aircraft Looking Glass and the National Command Authority aircraft NEACP.
See next comment for further detail on this. You'll find this interesting.
The film has one major oversight that I'm surprised nobody picked up on. The President would be evacuated to NEACP, the National Emergency Airborne Command Post. One was continuously stationed at Andrews from 1974 to 1994. The Strategic Air Command kept a Boeing EC 135 in the air continuously 24 hours a day from 1961 to 1990. This was The Looking Glass. If NEACP was destroyed or the NCA ceased to function, comand and control of U.S. nuclear forces fell to Looking Glass and it's SAC crew.
The point is, the Looking Glass aircraft and NEACP were separate planes, and the President would have been hustled onto NEACP NOT Looking Glass. I think this is an important distinction to keep in mind. Btw, both aircraft still maintain 24 hour a day Klaxon alert status, although Looking Glass ceased being in continuous 24 hour a day flight in 1990.
What exactly is a Klaxon alert status? I've heard the word klaxon before in "First Strike" (and the scenes from "First Strike" in "The Day After"), but am not sure of the meaning.
@professor501 There was no such thing as a "Klaxon alert status". A klaxon is a horn commonly used to alert those needing to respond quickly. I believe, at one time, the word "Klaxon" was an instrument trademark also. Nevertheless, SAC used Klaxons (horns) quite extensively at bases that had Aircraft Alert Forces. They were at most places on base that alert crews could be visiting outside the alert faciltiy: Base Exchange, barber shops, dining halls, theaters, etc. I will continue.
@professor501 Here's the second part. Because Klaxons and the name were so widely known amongst alert crews, the "Klaxon Advisory" was born. Simply, this was a voice klaxon advisory to direct aircrews to their alert aircraft. Based on this advisory, aicrews were to start aicraft engines at a minimum. It was pretty excitng when alert crew heard the words, "For Alert Force, For Alert Force . . . Klaxon, Klaxon, Klaxon". These words gave many a "pucker factor" of about 9.5.
My apologies. Don does make the distinction between the two aircraft in the closing minutes of the film. I just watched part 9 and caught that. Just the title of the film is a bit misleading, but again, I apologize. The film is factually correct and does identify the NCA plane as NEACP and the SAC aircraft as Looking Glass. I should have finished watching the film before assuming they had them mixed up.
@geoffck1969 They don't really mention where the president is, though do they? I recall them saying that the prez and his cabinet were nowhere to be found, but I could have just been high. Honestly, I just assumed that's what they did.
the only thing they forgot is you wouldn't hear the explosion until much later since sound only travels 1,080 feet per second and they were surely at least several miles away so it would take 30 seconds or so for them to hear it. Sound effects editing to heighten the television dram though.
Smarmy, preachy, Cold War-era anti-nuclear PAP.
swami1 2 weeks ago
Yes Thank you indeed for the uploads.This was a very well done Docudrama type program.I particularly liked the personal questioning posed between characters.May have been somewaht sappy at times but again it was a nice addition.What worries me is that as resourses dwindle in the years to come and economys falter this could happen.
copycoonie 5 months ago
Hey, Captain Macuso got promoted to Carrier Captain. lol
rprince418 6 months ago 2
"AND MAKE SURE YOU DON"T GO ONLINE or EMAIL people or play computer GAMES or Play STATION or look UP PORN on the web. JUST STIck to what you already have on your hard LOL drive!.... That is all." REALLY!
jmitterii2 6 months ago
@jmitterii2 better yet disconnect your pc from the internet and all wired and wireless sources. and cover it in copper shieldings. . Copper is rather amazing with its capabilities towards emp.
kurlobe 5 months ago
So lemme get this straight: the US Navy moves to stop an illegal blockade of international waters by Oman. An Omani gunboat fires on a US ship and is sunk in response.
SUDDENLY NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
And in the middle of this, the news crew invades the bridge to demand information on whose nuke it was IN THE MIDDLE OF A BATTLE. Yes, because adding your indignant shouting to the command center is precisely what's going to turn all of this idiocy around, right?
Calbeck 8 months ago 2
The sub they showed in this movie is a Victor III.
MasterJediKyleKatarn 1 year ago
There is a line in the Tom Clancy novel "Red Storm rising" when the lead Soviet Comander walks out of a Politburo meeting about the use of tactical nuclear weapons to create a break thru in stalemated lines. It goes like this "...and the General saw for a moment the door to hell crack open a little". I think that is one of the most telling lines in all of nuclear fiction and easily applies to the first part of this vid
letslipthedogs 1 year ago
Nuclear weapons don't automatically create mushroom clouds because they're nuclear. A mushroom cloud is created by any appropriately-sized explosion.
And how could he still be broadcasting after a nearby nuclear explosion? That's the first part of this that just didn't work for me.
Elemarth 1 year ago
@Elemarth
I recalled seeing old reel cameras that were there in a nuclear bomb testing. Depends on how far they were
TheChoujinVirus 1 year ago
@Elemarth Because for an emp effect to have any meaningful range it has to detonated high above the ground. A nuclear test was actually televised in Nevada. Hundreds of nuclear explosions have been filmed as well.
mongoose704 1 year ago
He was looking at it. He wouldn't have been able to see what it was beyond that initial flash. o.o
adropofcolor 1 year ago
that waz nuclear
1234noaa22 2 years ago
Note to the late Eric Severeid: France wanted war, they wanted to retake Alsace/Lorraine. Sorry for the geeking.
mbabist01 2 years ago
What about EMP? Wouldn't that have rendered Mick's A/V equipment useless? Unless of course him and his crew were using shielded equipment, which may have been the case. The technology did exist to shield sensitive electronic equipment from EMP, and was obviously extensively employed by military units, including Carrier Battle Groups, SAC aircraft Looking Glass and the National Command Authority aircraft NEACP.
See next comment for further detail on this. You'll find this interesting.
geoffck1969 2 years ago 7
The film has one major oversight that I'm surprised nobody picked up on. The President would be evacuated to NEACP, the National Emergency Airborne Command Post. One was continuously stationed at Andrews from 1974 to 1994. The Strategic Air Command kept a Boeing EC 135 in the air continuously 24 hours a day from 1961 to 1990. This was The Looking Glass. If NEACP was destroyed or the NCA ceased to function, comand and control of U.S. nuclear forces fell to Looking Glass and it's SAC crew.
geoffck1969 2 years ago
The point is, the Looking Glass aircraft and NEACP were separate planes, and the President would have been hustled onto NEACP NOT Looking Glass. I think this is an important distinction to keep in mind. Btw, both aircraft still maintain 24 hour a day Klaxon alert status, although Looking Glass ceased being in continuous 24 hour a day flight in 1990.
geoffck1969 2 years ago
@geoffck1969{or anyone else who knows}: What would have happened if Looking Glass got destroyed first instead in that scenario?
SanFran90 2 years ago
@geoffck1969
What exactly is a Klaxon alert status? I've heard the word klaxon before in "First Strike" (and the scenes from "First Strike" in "The Day After"), but am not sure of the meaning.
professor501 1 year ago
@professor501 There was no such thing as a "Klaxon alert status". A klaxon is a horn commonly used to alert those needing to respond quickly. I believe, at one time, the word "Klaxon" was an instrument trademark also. Nevertheless, SAC used Klaxons (horns) quite extensively at bases that had Aircraft Alert Forces. They were at most places on base that alert crews could be visiting outside the alert faciltiy: Base Exchange, barber shops, dining halls, theaters, etc. I will continue.
FylthyBeest 6 months ago
@professor501 Here's the second part. Because Klaxons and the name were so widely known amongst alert crews, the "Klaxon Advisory" was born. Simply, this was a voice klaxon advisory to direct aircrews to their alert aircraft. Based on this advisory, aicrews were to start aicraft engines at a minimum. It was pretty excitng when alert crew heard the words, "For Alert Force, For Alert Force . . . Klaxon, Klaxon, Klaxon". These words gave many a "pucker factor" of about 9.5.
FylthyBeest 6 months ago
My apologies. Don does make the distinction between the two aircraft in the closing minutes of the film. I just watched part 9 and caught that. Just the title of the film is a bit misleading, but again, I apologize. The film is factually correct and does identify the NCA plane as NEACP and the SAC aircraft as Looking Glass. I should have finished watching the film before assuming they had them mixed up.
geoffck1969 2 years ago
@geoffck1969 They don't really mention where the president is, though do they? I recall them saying that the prez and his cabinet were nowhere to be found, but I could have just been high. Honestly, I just assumed that's what they did.
MiniKirk 5 months ago
@geoffck1969 No: EMP is only an issue in airbursts detonated at a very high altitude.
ralucagymnast 11 months ago
@geoffck1969 You answered your own question! Most is stuff is hardened against EMP!
KC8YOQ 5 months ago
@geoffck1969 EMP is caused by high-altitude detonations. The nuke exploded either at sea level or below...
johnbarleycornmd 1 month ago
sorry, I mean EMP is not CAUSED by high altitude detonations.....
johnbarleycornmd 1 month ago
the only thing they forgot is you wouldn't hear the explosion until much later since sound only travels 1,080 feet per second and they were surely at least several miles away so it would take 30 seconds or so for them to hear it. Sound effects editing to heighten the television dram though.
RJY4356 2 years ago
thank you for the uploads
ivory1029 2 years ago 8