Ephesians says that up until Paul is was not revealed that the Gentiles would be included with the Jews as co-heirs of salvation. Therefore, Old Testament prophecy did not reveal it. All I am saying is that when interpreting Old Testament prophecy, we must be careful to understand that certain mysteries are hidden, so we should not expect to find things revealed in the OT that are revealed int the NT.
@trident343lives That doesn't mean OT prophecy didn't fulfill it it means that they did not understand well tri the MYSTERY is revealed now it showed that plainly in the scripture you just provided. You are going against scripture not me the scripture I provided said that it was a fulfillment of OT Scripture. The mystery was revealed to the disciples. After Christ all who was lead by the Spirit was shown all mysteries are you telling me you don't trust what the disciples said?
@evewale Let me restate my points so we can recap
1) Jews and Gentiles are the SAME in a Soteriological Salvation sense. We are saved the same way from now on.
2) Jews and Gentiles are DIFFERENT in the physical sense. We are of different nations. We will have different service roles in the millennial Kingdom. Different service roles, not salvaiton methods.
3) Much of the OT prophecy has to deal with the nation of Israel directly. This doesn't mean they are saved differently.
@trident343lives Well that is not what the Bible teaches tri. All of us are different in a physical sense but that doesn't even matter cause God does not look at that. He is not a respecter of persons. The OT prophecies that dealt with the NATION of Israel were fulfilled. This whole view of yours has your outlook on the end times destorted. So you believe God has given us different service roles based on our race? Well I'm done arguing this tri, I've tried presenting what the
@evewale We'll have to agree to disagree. Again, I do not claim Jews are or will be saved differently than we are today, I just acknowledge that there are Prophecies which speak of that the physical nation of Israel being fulfilled in the future. Many of which acknowledge their previous denial of Christ and Apostasy before they are saved by Faith in Christ alone.
@trident343lives I do not doubt that bloodline jewish ppl will continue to come to Christ and I pray for this BUT I will not pretend that God has separated people by races and has special plans for some races and not others this is NOT Biblical. I will also not pretend that there are prophecies that scripture shows were fulfilled aren't and will be fulfilled later in the future.
@trident343lives This was prior to Christ tri. Israel in the old testament was an example of the church after Christ. Also look at what you just put why would God love one and not the other when they were brothers? Where they not of the same lineage?
@evewale I'm just pointing out that Israel experienced blessings that the rest of the world did not. God DID have a special role for Israel in the past and WILL in the future. (Zechariah 8:23) This is what the LORD Almighty says: "In those days ten men from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, 'Let us go with you, because we have heard that God is with you.
@trident343lives The verse you provided does not go against what I said that Israel was the OT example of the NT church. You are still making this a racial issue.
@trident343lives Why are you making excuses for your belief in this dispensationalist lie? Are you fearful of whats to come? Do you believe you will be raptured tri? Is that why you are continuing to make excuses for the lie of dispensationalism? Please make it none to me why you insist on holding to this view?
@evewale There is nothing heretical to believe that Jewish people will be saved in the future out of God's Grace.
(Romans 11:25) For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
@trident343lives Have you read that whole chapter? I already have a video on this. Please stop cherry picking to fit this doctrine we must rightly divide the word not look at only those that we can make apply to our view of things.
@trident343lives this verse actually can apply to what you are currently believing it says none of the princes of this world knew yet jewish scholars will teach over and over again that they are God's children (I'm speaking of those who do not believe Christ) and how one day they will rule over the gentiles.
Zechariah 12:10 And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.
Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
@trident343lives Zec 12:10 was fulfilled when Christ was crucified .John 19:34-37 34But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.35And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.36For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.37And again another scripture saith, THEY SHALL LOOK ON HIM WHO THEY PIERCED.
@trident343lives are you questioning me or the scripture? It's simple EVERY eye will see Him including the ones that witnessed His crucifixion and they will mourn for him yet again it's not paraphrasing it's showing a paralell. Sry I know that is misspelled.
@evewale Why would you say that? It is irrelevant which tribes are mentioned. God has had special roles and duties of the different tribes in the past, so it is not an implausible he has a reason to chose the tribes as he will for witnessing during the tribulation.
@evewale It's a double fulfillment. First being when Israel was taken out of Egypt under moses. Second, as Christ after he fled from being killed by Herod.
@trident343lives it is not about bloodline jews it's ALL about Christ the entire scripture points to Christ we are in Him. Stop putting the "jews" over Christ. The Bible tells us time and time again that it is about the circumcision of the heart not the flesh. Would you like scripture showing you that the unbelieving "jews" are NOT God's children?
@evewale You are right. Unbelieveing Jews ARE NOT Gods children. I have never stated otherwise. This doesn't cancel out the fact that those who are left in the physical nation of Israel during the tribulation will be saved BY FAITH IN CHRISTS ALONE.
@evewale There will be people from all nations saved during the tribulation. However, like mentioned in Zechariah 13:9, the unbelieving Jews in Israel will be purged. Only the believing remnant of the Jews will be saved. That is what I believe.
@trident343lives Many of the prophecies that dispensationalist use have already been fulfilled. Is there any others you believe to be about the future and bloodline jews?
@evewale LOL. Its ironic im the one debating you on this. I don't study Eschatology like I once did, so bare with me. A lot of the prophecies dealing with the millenial kingdom involve Israel. The book of Zechariah largely deals with them. I think there are some explicit ones in Isaiah. I will look into it and let you know.
BTW - Some people don't like the concept, but I see a theme in the bible of things being fulfilled twice. Ie. Christ coming to the earth. Might help you understand.
@trident343lives Some people don't like the concept, but I see a theme in the bible of things being fulfilled twice. Ie. Christ coming to the earth. Might help you understand.
No this is were the dispensationalist like to divide things and make 2. God is not the author of confusion. He is about order. You would have to say that it refers to two different things to get it to fit but this should not be the case.
@evewale Consider this. If you were a Jewish Scholar in 300 BC, and you studied the prophecies in the Prophets including Isaiah, would you have assumed Christ would have came twice?
@trident343lives Is this a believing or non believing jew in other words do they really trust Christ. Also what does this matter are you listening to men who contradict what the word says?
@trident343lives to say a prophecy can be fulfilled twice is confusing, misleading, and absolutely crazy. God shows us things from begining to end why would he confuse us in this way? If you can say that it can be fulfilled twice then why not 3 times or 4 or 5? God prophecied so it may be fulfilled not keep being fulfilled.
Jesus spoke in Parables to confuse people. Prophecy is the same way to a degree. Prophecy is set up so only those you are supposed to understand it will understand it..Else, God wouldn't have used symbols in prophecy than.
@trident343lives You did not hear the fulfillment of Zech from me trident you heard it from scripture. Also I agree so why are you relying on jewish scholoars. It isn't those who are "suppose" to understand it is those who are lead by the Spirit. Not what men say.
@evewale I was speaking Hypothetically. If you were limited to the amount of revelation given in the prophets of the OT, is there any reason that you would have assumed that Christ would have came twice?
@trident343lives I don't really understand the question sorry. But actually scripture shows that Christ came several times to speak to certain ppl but we are speaking of Him returning to reclaim what is rightfully His and to deliver His people this is the '2ND coming" do I think this will happen more then once NO. He came to earth the first time to die He will come the next time in all His glory.
@trident343lives He is also very much about one what do I mean? He is about unity. Marriage=unity, Christ and church=unity, Christ and father=unity, Christ and body=unity.
@evewale Is called sound hermenuetics. When the plain sense makes sense seek no other sense lest we end up with Non-sense :p Where does the bible say the 144000 represent attributes of Christ? That is reading things into scripture.
@evewale Eve, scripture does teach a difference between Israel and the church. But now in terms of SALVATION there is no difference BUT in terms of prophecy and physical roles the nation of is different. Is there any logical reason Jesus would lie to us and say the 144000 are not literal jews? Even giving us details of their tribe? Why can't we take Jesus at his word?
@trident343lives The tribes represented the different attributes of CHRIST it was never about the actual ppl everything is direct toward Jesus Himself He is Israel and we are in HIM. I do take Him at His word. Why is it that you are looking at things in an earthly, physical, fleshly human knowledge way?
@trident343lives Just food for thought, reasons why the tribe and 144th are symbolic. Two tribes are missing, Dan and Ephraim This is a census and Levi is normally excluded from a census but is included here Instead of Reuben listed first as the firstborn, Judah is listed first
@trident343lives Normally Joseph is excluded and his two sons Ephraim and Manasseh included instead, but here Joseph and only one of his sons is included The number 12,000 exactly for each tribe. This is clearly symbolic rather than an actual census.
It seems you have wondered into replacement theology. It is true SOME of the promises made to Israel are fulfilled as the church which contains both Jews and Gentiles as co-heirs. But to infer that ALL promises made towards israel as having to be replaced in fulfillment by the church is fallacious.
@trident343lives Trident I do not believe in replacement theology I believe in scripture. Which show that it was always the ones who had faith that were God's ppl (church/Israel). To infer that God has an extra special spot for bloodline jews who are in unbelief just because of their race is calling Him and the Scriptures out as liars. It's about trusting Christ and nothing else. Dispensationalist divide everything including the body of Christ.
@MrSpemat Sry I'm sure I don't say it like most American's I have a country accent being from Ky so my words may not sound proper hope that doesn't keep you from hearing what the Scripture that I read is saying.
Israel is not the Church, God has said that all Israel will be saved and that is the physical decendants of Abraham, the Jews are still His people and to say otherwise is an abomination,
@mousey1952 That is right all the elected will be saved the elect is the church and is Israel Gal 3:28-29 tells us who Abraham's decendants are. Paul grieved that his ppl wasn't coming to Christ why? if they are all going to be saved anyway?
@mousey1952 please tell me how you get that these are physical decendants when God is Spirit and tells us to walk in the Spirit? You will not be able to show me that the physical bloodline jews that do not believe in Christ will be saved cause it's not there. But I can show you were God speaks of pouring His wrath upon them.
um no. The born again are the church. Israel is His land and YHWH has a covenant with the Jews The sons of Abraham. After the church is raptured, He will see to restoring the Jewish people. Yes The Jews are His people but the Church are the born again.
I here you are not a fan of dispensationalism but that doesn't make it false. We are in the time of grace and it is about to end. If you are born again of faith and not faith+works you are going to see grace in action very soon! HalleluYah!
@Billthesheepdog The Bible speaks against what you are saying we are jews and of the circumcision inwardly not of the flesh. God is Spirit it's always been about those who believe and trust him not the unbelieving ones.
@Billthesheepdog The disobedient bloodline Israelites were NEVER the children of God or will ever be unless they turn to Christ. Deut 32:5 5They have corrupted themselves, their spot is not the spot of his children: they are a perverse and crooked generation.John 8:39 39They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. (Faith not keeping the law)
@Billthesheepdog John 8:42 42Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.John 8:44 44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Ephesians says that up until Paul is was not revealed that the Gentiles would be included with the Jews as co-heirs of salvation. Therefore, Old Testament prophecy did not reveal it. All I am saying is that when interpreting Old Testament prophecy, we must be careful to understand that certain mysteries are hidden, so we should not expect to find things revealed in the OT that are revealed int the NT.
trident343lives 4 weeks ago
@trident343lives That doesn't mean OT prophecy didn't fulfill it it means that they did not understand well tri the MYSTERY is revealed now it showed that plainly in the scripture you just provided. You are going against scripture not me the scripture I provided said that it was a fulfillment of OT Scripture. The mystery was revealed to the disciples. After Christ all who was lead by the Spirit was shown all mysteries are you telling me you don't trust what the disciples said?
evewale 4 weeks ago
@evewale Let me restate my points so we can recap
1) Jews and Gentiles are the SAME in a Soteriological Salvation sense. We are saved the same way from now on.
2) Jews and Gentiles are DIFFERENT in the physical sense. We are of different nations. We will have different service roles in the millennial Kingdom. Different service roles, not salvaiton methods.
3) Much of the OT prophecy has to deal with the nation of Israel directly. This doesn't mean they are saved differently.
trident343lives 4 weeks ago
@trident343lives Well that is not what the Bible teaches tri. All of us are different in a physical sense but that doesn't even matter cause God does not look at that. He is not a respecter of persons. The OT prophecies that dealt with the NATION of Israel were fulfilled. This whole view of yours has your outlook on the end times destorted. So you believe God has given us different service roles based on our race? Well I'm done arguing this tri, I've tried presenting what the
evewale 4 weeks ago
@trident343lives word says now it's up to you to believe that word or not.
evewale 4 weeks ago
@evewale We'll have to agree to disagree. Again, I do not claim Jews are or will be saved differently than we are today, I just acknowledge that there are Prophecies which speak of that the physical nation of Israel being fulfilled in the future. Many of which acknowledge their previous denial of Christ and Apostasy before they are saved by Faith in Christ alone.
trident343lives 4 weeks ago
@trident343lives I do not doubt that bloodline jewish ppl will continue to come to Christ and I pray for this BUT I will not pretend that God has separated people by races and has special plans for some races and not others this is NOT Biblical. I will also not pretend that there are prophecies that scripture shows were fulfilled aren't and will be fulfilled later in the future.
evewale 4 weeks ago
@evewale Than how do you explain why God gave special attention to the Jews in the OT?
Romans 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated
trident343lives 4 weeks ago
@trident343lives This was prior to Christ tri. Israel in the old testament was an example of the church after Christ. Also look at what you just put why would God love one and not the other when they were brothers? Where they not of the same lineage?
evewale 4 weeks ago
@evewale I'm just pointing out that Israel experienced blessings that the rest of the world did not. God DID have a special role for Israel in the past and WILL in the future. (Zechariah 8:23) This is what the LORD Almighty says: "In those days ten men from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, 'Let us go with you, because we have heard that God is with you.
trident343lives 4 weeks ago
@trident343lives God had a special role that was already fulfilled through Christ. They were chosen to bring about Christ which is Israel.
evewale 4 weeks ago
@trident343lives The verse you provided does not go against what I said that Israel was the OT example of the NT church. You are still making this a racial issue.
evewale 4 weeks ago
@trident343lives God's plan for them was and is Christ Jesus nothing more.
evewale 4 weeks ago
@trident343lives Why are you making excuses for your belief in this dispensationalist lie? Are you fearful of whats to come? Do you believe you will be raptured tri? Is that why you are continuing to make excuses for the lie of dispensationalism? Please make it none to me why you insist on holding to this view?
evewale 4 weeks ago
@evewale There is nothing heretical to believe that Jewish people will be saved in the future out of God's Grace.
(Romans 11:25) For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
trident343lives 4 weeks ago
@trident343lives Have you read that whole chapter? I already have a video on this. Please stop cherry picking to fit this doctrine we must rightly divide the word not look at only those that we can make apply to our view of things.
evewale 4 weeks ago
Ephesians 3:3-6
How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
trident343lives 4 weeks ago
@trident343lives Did you get that last part trident what was not known in the past OT? The ppl did not know God had a plan for ALL of mankind.
That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
evewale 4 weeks ago
@evewale That's right Fellowheirs. Not replacements.
trident343lives 4 weeks ago
@trident343lives and not separate ONE unity
evewale 4 weeks ago
@trident343lives SAME BODY, yet we are still be separated by some ppl
evewale 4 weeks ago
1 Corinthians 2:7-8 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
trident343lives 4 weeks ago
@trident343lives Exactly so why are you asking about what jewish scholars think? Clearly the mystery is found through the guidance of the Spirit.
evewale 4 weeks ago
@trident343lives this verse actually can apply to what you are currently believing it says none of the princes of this world knew yet jewish scholars will teach over and over again that they are God's children (I'm speaking of those who do not believe Christ) and how one day they will rule over the gentiles.
evewale 4 weeks ago
Zechariah 12:10 And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.
Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
trident343lives 4 weeks ago
@trident343lives Zec 12:10 was fulfilled when Christ was crucified .John 19:34-37 34But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.35And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.36For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.37And again another scripture saith, THEY SHALL LOOK ON HIM WHO THEY PIERCED.
evewale 4 weeks ago
@evewale Why then would Zechariah be paraphrased in Revelation 1:7? Written around 80A.D. ?
trident343lives 4 weeks ago
@trident343lives are you questioning me or the scripture? It's simple EVERY eye will see Him including the ones that witnessed His crucifixion and they will mourn for him yet again it's not paraphrasing it's showing a paralell. Sry I know that is misspelled.
evewale 4 weeks ago
@evewale Why would you say that? It is irrelevant which tribes are mentioned. God has had special roles and duties of the different tribes in the past, so it is not an implausible he has a reason to chose the tribes as he will for witnessing during the tribulation.
trident343lives 4 weeks ago
@trident343lives God has had special roles and duties of the different tribes
your exactly right and the Christians have those roles and duties.
Hosea 11:1When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.
Who is this child?
evewale 4 weeks ago
@evewale It's a double fulfillment. First being when Israel was taken out of Egypt under moses. Second, as Christ after he fled from being killed by Herod.
trident343lives 4 weeks ago
@trident343lives it is not about bloodline jews it's ALL about Christ the entire scripture points to Christ we are in Him. Stop putting the "jews" over Christ. The Bible tells us time and time again that it is about the circumcision of the heart not the flesh. Would you like scripture showing you that the unbelieving "jews" are NOT God's children?
evewale 4 weeks ago
@evewale You are right. Unbelieveing Jews ARE NOT Gods children. I have never stated otherwise. This doesn't cancel out the fact that those who are left in the physical nation of Israel during the tribulation will be saved BY FAITH IN CHRISTS ALONE.
trident343lives 4 weeks ago
@trident343lives and you believe that these who are left that will be saved are only bloodline jews?
evewale 4 weeks ago
@evewale There will be people from all nations saved during the tribulation. However, like mentioned in Zechariah 13:9, the unbelieving Jews in Israel will be purged. Only the believing remnant of the Jews will be saved. That is what I believe.
trident343lives 4 weeks ago
@trident343lives Many of the prophecies that dispensationalist use have already been fulfilled. Is there any others you believe to be about the future and bloodline jews?
evewale 4 weeks ago
@evewale LOL. Its ironic im the one debating you on this. I don't study Eschatology like I once did, so bare with me. A lot of the prophecies dealing with the millenial kingdom involve Israel. The book of Zechariah largely deals with them. I think there are some explicit ones in Isaiah. I will look into it and let you know.
BTW - Some people don't like the concept, but I see a theme in the bible of things being fulfilled twice. Ie. Christ coming to the earth. Might help you understand.
trident343lives 4 weeks ago
@trident343lives Some people don't like the concept, but I see a theme in the bible of things being fulfilled twice. Ie. Christ coming to the earth. Might help you understand.
No this is were the dispensationalist like to divide things and make 2. God is not the author of confusion. He is about order. You would have to say that it refers to two different things to get it to fit but this should not be the case.
evewale 4 weeks ago
@evewale Consider this. If you were a Jewish Scholar in 300 BC, and you studied the prophecies in the Prophets including Isaiah, would you have assumed Christ would have came twice?
trident343lives 4 weeks ago
@trident343lives Is this a believing or non believing jew in other words do they really trust Christ. Also what does this matter are you listening to men who contradict what the word says?
evewale 4 weeks ago
@trident343lives to say a prophecy can be fulfilled twice is confusing, misleading, and absolutely crazy. God shows us things from begining to end why would he confuse us in this way? If you can say that it can be fulfilled twice then why not 3 times or 4 or 5? God prophecied so it may be fulfilled not keep being fulfilled.
evewale 4 weeks ago
Jesus spoke in Parables to confuse people. Prophecy is the same way to a degree. Prophecy is set up so only those you are supposed to understand it will understand it..Else, God wouldn't have used symbols in prophecy than.
trident343lives 4 weeks ago
@trident343lives You did not hear the fulfillment of Zech from me trident you heard it from scripture. Also I agree so why are you relying on jewish scholoars. It isn't those who are "suppose" to understand it is those who are lead by the Spirit. Not what men say.
evewale 4 weeks ago
@evewale I was speaking Hypothetically. If you were limited to the amount of revelation given in the prophets of the OT, is there any reason that you would have assumed that Christ would have came twice?
trident343lives 4 weeks ago
@trident343lives I don't really understand the question sorry. But actually scripture shows that Christ came several times to speak to certain ppl but we are speaking of Him returning to reclaim what is rightfully His and to deliver His people this is the '2ND coming" do I think this will happen more then once NO. He came to earth the first time to die He will come the next time in all His glory.
evewale 4 weeks ago
@trident343lives So you believe Christ comes twice in the end times? Are you saying you believe in the pretrib rapture?
evewale 4 weeks ago
@trident343lives He is also very much about one what do I mean? He is about unity. Marriage=unity, Christ and church=unity, Christ and father=unity, Christ and body=unity.
evewale 4 weeks ago
@trident343lives yes the Christians will be witnessing during the tribulation.
evewale 4 weeks ago
@evewale Is called sound hermenuetics. When the plain sense makes sense seek no other sense lest we end up with Non-sense :p Where does the bible say the 144000 represent attributes of Christ? That is reading things into scripture.
trident343lives 4 weeks ago
@evewale Eve, scripture does teach a difference between Israel and the church. But now in terms of SALVATION there is no difference BUT in terms of prophecy and physical roles the nation of is different. Is there any logical reason Jesus would lie to us and say the 144000 are not literal jews? Even giving us details of their tribe? Why can't we take Jesus at his word?
trident343lives 4 weeks ago
@trident343lives The tribes represented the different attributes of CHRIST it was never about the actual ppl everything is direct toward Jesus Himself He is Israel and we are in HIM. I do take Him at His word. Why is it that you are looking at things in an earthly, physical, fleshly human knowledge way?
evewale 4 weeks ago
@trident343lives Just food for thought, reasons why the tribe and 144th are symbolic. Two tribes are missing, Dan and Ephraim This is a census and Levi is normally excluded from a census but is included here Instead of Reuben listed first as the firstborn, Judah is listed first
evewale 4 weeks ago
@trident343lives Normally Joseph is excluded and his two sons Ephraim and Manasseh included instead, but here Joseph and only one of his sons is included The number 12,000 exactly for each tribe. This is clearly symbolic rather than an actual census.
evewale 4 weeks ago
It seems you have wondered into replacement theology. It is true SOME of the promises made to Israel are fulfilled as the church which contains both Jews and Gentiles as co-heirs. But to infer that ALL promises made towards israel as having to be replaced in fulfillment by the church is fallacious.
trident343lives 1 month ago
@trident343lives Trident I do not believe in replacement theology I believe in scripture. Which show that it was always the ones who had faith that were God's ppl (church/Israel). To infer that God has an extra special spot for bloodline jews who are in unbelief just because of their race is calling Him and the Scriptures out as liars. It's about trusting Christ and nothing else. Dispensationalist divide everything including the body of Christ.
evewale 4 weeks ago
@trident343lives What scriptures do you think are prophecying of the LAND or bloodline jews?
evewale 4 weeks ago
I love how Americans call it "Isrull"...
MrSpemat 1 month ago
@MrSpemat Sry I'm sure I don't say it like most American's I have a country accent being from Ky so my words may not sound proper hope that doesn't keep you from hearing what the Scripture that I read is saying.
evewale 1 month ago
Yeahoo you speak the truth!
axe414 1 month ago
Israel is not the Church, God has said that all Israel will be saved and that is the physical decendants of Abraham, the Jews are still His people and to say otherwise is an abomination,
mousey1952 1 month ago
@mousey1952 That is right all the elected will be saved the elect is the church and is Israel Gal 3:28-29 tells us who Abraham's decendants are. Paul grieved that his ppl wasn't coming to Christ why? if they are all going to be saved anyway?
evewale 1 month ago
@mousey1952 please tell me how you get that these are physical decendants when God is Spirit and tells us to walk in the Spirit? You will not be able to show me that the physical bloodline jews that do not believe in Christ will be saved cause it's not there. But I can show you were God speaks of pouring His wrath upon them.
evewale 1 month ago
Amen evewale you got it right!
InTheSpirit12 1 month ago
um no. The born again are the church. Israel is His land and YHWH has a covenant with the Jews The sons of Abraham. After the church is raptured, He will see to restoring the Jewish people. Yes The Jews are His people but the Church are the born again.
I here you are not a fan of dispensationalism but that doesn't make it false. We are in the time of grace and it is about to end. If you are born again of faith and not faith+works you are going to see grace in action very soon! HalleluYah!
Billthesheepdog 1 month ago
@Billthesheepdog The Bible speaks against what you are saying we are jews and of the circumcision inwardly not of the flesh. God is Spirit it's always been about those who believe and trust him not the unbelieving ones.
evewale 1 month ago
@Billthesheepdog The disobedient bloodline Israelites were NEVER the children of God or will ever be unless they turn to Christ. Deut 32:5 5They have corrupted themselves, their spot is not the spot of his children: they are a perverse and crooked generation.John 8:39 39They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. (Faith not keeping the law)
evewale 1 month ago
@Billthesheepdog John 8:42 42Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.John 8:44 44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
evewale 1 month ago