36 is not old for a heavyweight ,ali used to keep his hand open thats why it was so quick but open hand in a glove doesnt hurt you like a real jab ,it just scores points,hate to say it but these russians ,while they are boring to watch ,are extremely good at what they do ,they are massive too ,and far more powerful overall than the 70s heavys.make no mistake they are better boxers than ,foreman ,frazier ,lyle ,just very dull to watch,
@chromeheart65 Haha, they are pretty pathethic. 36 is not old if you are a slow slugger, like Liston or Foreman, if you rely on your stamina and reflexes, 36 is pretty old. HAHAHAH ARE YOU SERIOUS? YOU THINK KLITSCHKOS ARE BETTER THAN FRAZIER? HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHA
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Shavers said Ali's jab had no sting...im disappointed he said that. Ali was 36 years old and was already WAY PAST HIS PRIME. If he fought a 26 year old Ali im sure he would be saying "Ali's jab was like a cobra striking you in the face"
yes so true the klitschko brothers are too big and have too much skill and are too smart they would destroy anyone in heavyweight history!! vilali has a chin of pure granite and shavers would not be able to hurt him
@michaelyouth explain to me why nobody has ever put vitali down or even come close to hurting him because he has a chin of pure steel!!and also has the HIGHEST knock out rate in heavyweight history with over a 90% ko rate trust me vitali with out injury is unstoppable and would crush anyone!
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@slayeral1 ...No one has put Vitali down because he & his brother fight once a year, if that and when they do it is against nobodies. Granted. the heavyweight division is very bare, but these Klitchko's only fight "contenders" that get all of a sudden get "moved" into the top 10 by promotors just so the fight can be sanctioned!
@4JayeP i dont like em either but still dont underestimate them... they are really good..
and i do know why amis dont like them cuz they are ukrainian ( Russian )..
i dont give a fuck about the nation its all about can he fight? and if you say he cant fight WHY THE HELL IS HE STILL THE HEAVYWEIGHT BOXING CHAMPION OF THE WORLD?
im lucky enough to live just 5 minutes away from ernie in moreton,wirral.... and the first time i met ernie was in moreton town center were i said "hi ernie" in which he shook my hand and my wifes hand and we spoke for 10 minutes... i mentioned i boxed in the british army... and ernie then went home and returned with a signed photo and video( puncher of the century ) ernie is the nicest guy you can ever meet... and a credit to the world of boxing..... a true gent and champion !
I'm going to settle this debate. Shavers had great ko power against less than A level competition. Foreman knocked otu the better men. Also, he retired with a higher ko ratio. I think that makes Foreman the better puncher/knockout ratio!
@ah93704: You are making an argument of statistics which I agree. Yes Foreman had a higher KOo ratio but the reason Ernie is considered the puncher of the century is because his peers gave him that title. Men who have fought both Ernie and Foreman all agree that Ernie had the more devastating punch.
@kitchin07 I see why they gave him that distinction. However, I think its too subjective. We dont know "why" they said Shavers was a bigger hitter. For example, how can Ken Norton know who hit harder when both men knocked him out cold? Its too subjective. I cant even remember who the best "kisser" was out of all my gf's and thats out of like 12 girls. See what I mean? Memory is too often untrue. Thats why I prefer statitstics but I do think Shavers hit like a mule!
@ah93704 Well you obviously never boxed before but I can definitely tell who hit hardest of the guys I fought. If you are not going to believe the guys who were actually in the ring then maybe we ought to have put you in with them both so you can gain a more objective point of view. Stats really doesnt say who the hardest puncher was only who has more KOs. to settle the debate we would need toscientifically measure the impact of both men's power but I think its a little too late for that now
@kitchin07 actually, I have boxed before. Look at punching bags AFTER George Foreman worked on it. It is totally awesome. He would literally dent the bag. I've never seen another fighter able to do that (including Shavers). Look Shavers was a great puncher but he didnt do nearly as well as Foreman against top tier opponents!
@ah93704again i agree that george has better stats and did better against top competition but that is not the issue here, the issue is who was the harder puncher and those who have fought both fighters including Ali confessed that Shavers hit hardest
@kitchin07 Boxers say stupid things all the time. They say things they dont mean. Like you said before, we'd need a machine to calculate who actually could punch harder. You can't be certain having fighters compare the two. You're better off looking at the stats. Looking at who did the most damage. Peoples opinions are too subjective. Stats and stuff like that are objective. BTW, Evander Holyfield said foreman was the hardest hitter he ever faced.
@kitchin07 Think about what I'm telling you. Ron Lyle said Shavers hit harder than George yet who knocked Lyle out? It sounds like Lyle is just verbalizing sour grapes. Have you seen Shavers vs Lyle? Lyle absolutely destroyed him. Foreman vs Lyle was bakc and forth. Great fight. Foreman knocked that fool for a loop in the end.
@kitchin07 dont forget also that Shavers was mostly a right hand puncher. He didnt have much of anything else. George Foreman could punch with either hand. Thats why he had a higher ko ratio!
@ah93704: You are not arguing the point at hand, you are talking about a differnt issue. No one is denying the puching power of Foreman in both hands. Neither is the issue who has a higher knock out ratio that is not the issue. You interjected this aspect into the discussion. The point that is being made here is that Shavers punched harder; not his knockout ratio, or the power in both hands. If you cant take the word of Ali Holmes Norton and countless other then you obviously wont take mine
@kitchin07 You truly are a stupid person. Really! You just dont get it, do you? Why on earth would you take the word of Larry Holmes? Larry said Shavers hit harder than Tyson yet Tyson knocked Larry out and Shavers didn't? Larry is a sour loser, everybody knows that. Maybe Shavers hit Ali harder but it wasnt by much. Ali said in his auto that he was out on his feet several times during the fight with Foreman. He said the ropes were holding him up. Did he need ropes when he fought Shavers?
@ah93704 You have to understand that Larry was 36 year old, 2 years retired when he fought MIke. He fought Shavers at the very peak of his powers at 26 years old. Holmes was in supreme shape, and able to recover.
@ah93704 The thing with Muhammad Ali - George Foreman and Ali- Shavers was that Ali was really getting pummeled. He tried to protect himself in the rope a dope, but it did not work perfectly. The rope a dope was more a tactic to get hit, and take it, and at the same time jab the opponent senseless while he is getting more tired with the combination of punching himself out and getting sticked. Shavers, didn't pummel on Ali. Ali almost knocked the man out in the 15th.
@ah93704: Dude comprehension is clearly not your strong point. Here you have eye witnesses people who who have been in the ring with these men testifying and here you are 30 years later saying these men Holmes Ali Norton Lyle dont know what they are saying. All these men are on record stating that Shavers was the harder puncher. Here's some stats for you. Foreman 76 fights 68 KOs, Shavers 75 with 69 KOs Foreman had 15 first round KOs shavers had 23. So you tell me who is the stupid person
@kitchin07: Tyson's strength was his speed and accuracy. It was his speed and accuracy that shocked his opponents. The guys who fought tyson described his punches as sharp and paralyzing. That's because they got hit with punches they did not see coming. He became a very ordinary figher when he lost his speed. Long as you can see a punch coming you are more likely to survive. You are a boxing novice so stop shitting on your keyboard you said you boxed but that is a lie cuz you dont know shit
@kitchin07 Tyson also had a lot of power behind the speed and accuracy. Tyson never quite became an ordinary fighter, even after his speed diminished. Just ask Andrew Golota, when Tyson nearly killed him.
Earnie Shavers - Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, George Foreman, Larry Holmes and Mike Tyson all tried ducking him. Ali and Holmes tried and failed and he gave them both hell. HAHAHAHA
lol, nice to see holmes and the ko king! they can still hit the ish out of you...look at holmes! shavers had the hardest punch in heavyweight history, ali and homes both said.
Great interview but Vitali Klitschko does not have a glass jaw. He's never been knocked down and look at some of the punches he took from Lewis. His skin may be a wet paper bag, but his chin is beyond question.
If Tyson has taken the fight that Shavers asked him to take, he would have been in a no win situation. If he defeated Shavers it was an old Shavers, if he lost, well, thats even worse. So, why would he take it? Even if he thought he would win? We all know Tyson would have defeated Shavers. Shavers never became champ because he wasnt good enough. Tyson made it Shavers didnt!
@vgr112261 : Ali's jab was a flick by the time he fought Shavers. When he fought the men you mentioned, it was a hammer. = YOUR MIND HAS VERY ASTUTE-ANALYSIS! THANKS!
Boxing4life1000 u r dumb as hell how could Tyson have ducked foreman and shavers when they werent in same era unless u wanted to see 20 year old Tyson beating on 50 plus yeAr guys dumb ass
@sill259 George Foreman was mounting an impressive comeback campaign during the late 80's when Tyson was champ. He would of been 38/39 years old by that time. Im pretty sure Tyson would not want to fight Foreman unless he had to or the money was unbelievable.
No wonder nobody talks about the Heavyweight division these days. After Tyson-Holyfield and probably Lewis-Klitchsko we had not have any really important fights. Lewis-Tyson was not relevant as Tyson was a shadow of himself. During the 1960-1980s the big fights were 75% in the heavyweights led by Liston, Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Ellis, Quarry, Bonavena, Shavers, Holmes, Norton and many others
When Shavers knocked out Ken Norton, it reminded me of watching my uncle slaughter cattle. I really thought Norton was a goner. The difference between Shavers' power and Tyson's power was hard to compare, because they had a different level of opponents. Tyson never, ever faced the same quality of fighters as Shavers. Most of Tyson's opponents made a decision to either survive, or find a soft place to land. Not so with the heavyweights from Shavers' era.
Those were two good fighters when I was growing up.I especially remember watching Larry Holmes and thought he was pretty much unbeatable at the time, which he was. That was a different era, a much better era than the current state of boxing.
Bang on, Larry. It's what I say all the time to youngsters and Tyson nuts. When Shavers and Holmes were coming up, they had to FIGHT to SURVIVE. There were a dozen Tysons, big, hard, with up to 20-0 records. But it all changed when they started to fight each other. Tyson was alone with no-one to challenge him apart from old veterans. He never developed with real hard fights. HUGE difference.
Great interview. Holmes was such a great champion. Shavers was one of the best guys to never win a title. If he were fighting today he'd smoke out the entire HW division.
@quadcatfly U say Shavers is a bum ??? Ok so u say that to the face of the hardest hitting hevyweight in history then. Shavers had 10x the punchin power of tyson
Aint that the truth. What Holmes said was particularly apposite. Heavies today (Haye's a good example) are only in it for money. Yes, of course, that's what you go into it for, but the point is there's no reason to get GOOD anymore, the competition is so weak. In their day you had to fight your way through alot of hard, hungry guys to get a ranking, you HAD to be a good fighter. I don't know whether to laugh or cry when I see some 'modern' knocking over tomato cans and being labelled the GOAT.
@marabdl86 Speaking of destroyers....Hulk Hogan claims in his book that when he boxed Foreman three rounds for charity once, Foreman hit him so hard in the arm that Hogan's leg went numb. LOL. Now that's a punch, eh?
They are doing what people usually do with Ali, and that is comparing someone at their best with Ali when he is far from his best. Of course Holmes in his prime had a better jab that Ali had when he was a shot fighter. Shavers is very fortunate he never had to tangle with Ali at his peak.
@dagiffy ur absolutely right, they talk bout a shot ali, prime ali whoops both of em, we dnt need 2 explain ourselves though, the all time ranks say it all, alis always been higher in rank then these fools, nough said
I had the honour of meeting Earnie Shavers a few years ago and what a gentleman this guy is. I'm a HUGE boxing fan and introduce myself to him saying, It's a pleasure to meet you Mr Shavers, To which he said, Please just call me Earnie... I once fought Muhammad Ali you know. I told him I knew this and he is 1 of only 5 people to have Ali on the deck and that I'd also seen him destroy Ellis , Norton etc!!! Wow you're a fan he said, Then we had a nice chat and a photo together. Great fighter
Larry did not have a better jab than Ali..Shavers fought Ali when Ali was well, well past his prime and Shavers fought a prime Larry...so how can Shavers compare ??? Ali`s jab was much faster...and people forget speed hurts!!!
A young Ali could handle a Larry Holmes no problem at all....Larry still trying to put a spin on Ali...Larry Holmes is the worst sportsman of all time.
@Wonderkid44 Stood up to Shavers punches????..Shavers almost took Larrys head off and put him on his ass in the7th round...Larry was lucky to win...This video is a joke...Shavers says Larry had a better Jab...lol Ali was old when he got into the ring with Shavers,,but still beat Shavers bad...Larry will do anything to try to get out from Ali shadow..Larry pays Ryan Kelly to do the post so anything they say is bias. A YOUNG ALI WOULD HAVE BEAT LARRY BAD....NO PROBLEM AT ALL...
@bigmace1000 Larry won every round, you asshole, and he had Shavers in much more trouble than shavers had larry in. Watch the fight before opening your mouth
Larrys jab was much harder, not as quick as ali's, but much harder. Thats what he means.
@primeboxers I was talking about the 7th round and how lucky Larry was to survive the knockdown,perhaps you should read what I`m saying before you start showing your intelligence level by swearing ,Shavers never put Ali down and he fought Ali when Ali was past his prime, Larry is the worst sportsman in sports history he never has a nice thing to say about anybody. A YOUNG ALI WOULD HAVE BEAT LARRY UP, poor Larry still trying to get out of Ali shadow by posting fake interviews with Ryan.
@bigmace1000 right... still trying to get out of his shadow? No, he is still trying to get the recognition he deserves, but doesn't get because of assholes like you.
@bigmace1000 If Larry has anything then it's a great jab. If you don't think his jab is the best ever you don't know anything about a jab that can knockman out. And excatly? He took shavers punches and then out jabbed him for the rest of the match? Have you ever known anything about boxing.. Ali's jab done no damage watch him vs Sonny..
@Wonderkid44 I never said Larry did not have a good jab,I think Larry had one of the best jabs in boxing history..what I said is Ali`s jab was better...Ali`s jab was much faster than Larry`s also Ali would jab a person from mutable angles with lighting speed and speed hurts!! Ali`s jab would sting and cut. As far as the Shavers fight goes., Shavers fought a prime Larry.When Shavers fought Ali, he was past his prime..so how can Shavers compare Larry and Ali`s jabs?? Ali`s Jab is better
@Wonderkid44 i know bout boxn trust me, prime larry n prime ali, larrys jab is awsome i completely agree, but alis is just bettr,prime ali beats larry, period, u think othrwise than ur the 1 that needs 2 learn, larry is easily 1 of the gr8s but hes no ali
@bigmace1000 LoL...Larry is a legend...But alot of "young" X's did KO him...Don't even need to question whether or not a young Ali would put him down.
i agree with larry to a point. american fighters have gone soft(in general). there are a few good ones out there, but nothing like the quality of the old days. our male culure has gone too squishy and most boys don't wrestle, or box, but just play video games about wrestling and boxing. the tough fighters are coming out of eastern europe,parts of asia and, as always, mexico. if the sport is even still viable in ten years, american boxers will be on the outside looking in.
It seems like a big reason why boxing had so many good competitors who fought with so much heart back in the 50's,60's,70's even 80's could be directly correlated to the fact that most of these guys were plucked from and represented Americas hardworking "Blue Collar society". If these guys weren't boxing they might be working in a slaughter house,laying brick,digging a dich or working for GM. Today the economy is different that blue collar class is being disintegrated.
I agree with what Larry says about boxing today. Guys like Ali, Foreman, Frazier, Norton, Lyle, Holmes and Shavers fought with heart and they fought to win, always pressing the action, never giving up. No one fights like that today. Today's fighters are risk averse, they take no chances. They fight not to lose.
Any fighter I listed above would completely clean out the HW division today.
You have no idea what you're talking about. Ali and Holmes always pressed the action? Are you kidding me? Have you actually seen Ali fight?? Ali and Holmes did the same thing guys like the Klitschko brothers do today. They took minimal risks, moved and used their jabs to control their opponent, because thats smart fighting.
Ernie Shavers is the hardest puncher of all time, but he can hardly be considered "great". He often came in lackluster shape, and he often quit.
lol, the interviewer had to look at the title of the movie before he finished.
It is hard to build a definite top 5, you always have Ali, Marciano, Holmes, Tyson, Foreman, Frazier, Louis, Shavers, etc etc being mentioned. I cannot fathom how a person can have a consistent top 5 of all time.
The Acorn was an absolutely murderous puncher. 68 ko's in his 74 wins. Just WOW!!
But Larry is my favorite all time. Terrific all around boxer with a piston like jab, great right hand, great chin, determination and conditioning. Just a pity that he maybe didn't really get the respect and the type of acknowledgment that he should have. That's mostly due to the giant shadow cast by Ali.
the interviewer said that klitchskos have glass jaws about vitali that ain't true he took a lot of hard punches against lewis and stand on his feet til the fight was called but both klitshkos would get knocked out by fighters like shavers frazier and so on i mean heavyweight boxing is dead with all the real fighters retired
@MrIronval True, Vitali has a pretty good chin obviously, better than Vladimir anyway. But in these days with very low class opponents he manage to get away with it. Vladimir might be a hard puncher and a really good boxer, but he would have been killed by both of these guys. Corrie Sanders is no Earnie Shavers and Samuel Peter is no Larry Holmes just to compare.
@drumtum couldn't agree more i don't think vitali is that good he's big sure and hits hard but also very slow pathetic handspeed i think that when you over 6'5 you should be in a super heavyweight division cos honestly they have an unfair reach advantage on most of their opponents i think you put vitali against holmes shavers foreman tyson i mean really prize fighters in their prime he wouldn't even be a dangerous opponents for thses legends
@MrIronval There's been boxers that tall and big since Dempsey but I think the politics and promotion of boxing has ruined boxing. These were some really tough hard punching guys though.
Another guy who has absolutely no knowledge of boxing. A 6'7'', 250lb guy with the skills of vitali is a dangerous fight for any fighter that has ever lived. If you think otherwise, you're crazy.
@torchkit Amen to that! Why is it that sports videos have to have "music" (just a bunch of computerized noise) in the background? What makes it even more annoying is that this was a good interview. I wish that when they put these videos together they would can the techn-pop.
@BillClausen I agree about the music, but a great idea to have Larry Holmes, and Ernie Shavers on deck. All-in-All, good work, that's coming from a boxing FANATIC....
@ah93704 true . I believe Tyson was more effective as a puncher (sharper snapper punches as opposed to heaviness). Even Holmes said Tyson had a very good jab. Shavers was just a very heavy puncher. I will always pick effectiveness (snap, explosiveness, timing combination) over heaviness - why you think Tyson instilled fear like no one else. You can not deal with something you can not see.
@AIMANALI very true. Tyson had overall more potent qualities as a finisher than Shavers. Shavers tended to fold against good boxers like Ali and Holmes.
@ah93704 yeah - tyson on paper so to speak had more variety than any heavyweight ever. Cus was no fool when he picked him. What Tyson lacked was the mental strength against other great boxers. he did have mental strenght (he was the youngest heavyweight champ after all). THAT IS WHY Ali would have beaten him in my opinion. Holmes was not that old when he fought Tyson and people like Holmes do not just go down. Spikes was pissing in his pants (leave that B.S about Styles excuse).
@ah93704 LOL! You can't compare it like that, Tyson hit Larry with a solid right hand and Larry got up straight away. Shavers caught Larry in his prime and Larry stayed down for a bit.
@MultiGreat1 In some cases, yes. But you dont know much about George Foreman, who punched slowly. It was his power that knocked fools, not his speed. I know more about boxing than you will ever know. I've had 12 fights and I"ve read more books on boxing than you've ever read period, kid!
@ah93704 Like I said before, you obviously do not know boxing too well. Bring me a fight where George Foreman knocked a guy out cold. There is only a few like when he fought Gerry Cooney but the punches he knocked him out with were fast and sharp and Cooney never saw them comming. Like I said before, it's the speed and the accuracy mostly not really the power though the power can give you a better chance.
@MultiGreat1 Michael Moorey, Gerry Cooney, Ron Lyle, Michael Moore, Dokes, pretty much all of his tune up fights for the Holyfield fight. All of his up and coming fights were knockouts. Speed is important to a knockout and it is often the punch you dont see that ko's you but some fighters are pure power and George Foreman and Ernie Shavers are of that type. Mike Tyson is anohter one who had one punch knockout power, another is Rocky Marciano. They are known to have heavy hands!
@MultiGreat1 Guys with "heavny hands" hurt you wherever they hit you. Rocky Marciaon, for example, was known to break the blood vessels on the arms of his opponents. Guys that hit the 80% ko ratio are usually in this group. Another good puncher was Joe Louis. Another was Jack Dempsey. I"ve been watching boxing for over 20 years and I"ve done it for 4 years of my live. I've also trained a few amateur fighters.
@ah93704 You stated before that you were a professional boxer with 12 fights, now you are saying you only did boxing for 4 years all together, nevermind. Rocky Marciano was a hard puncher but not in Liston or Foreman's level.
@MultiGreat1 Never boxed pro but I had 12 amateur fights. You're right. Rocky Marciano is not at the level of Liston and Foreman. Marciano consistantly fought bigger guys and knocked them out. Foreman and Liston were onlyl able to knock out much smaller opponents. Good point!
@MultiGreat1 Also, dont forget this. Rocky Marciano still has the highest KO ratio of any heavyweight in history AND he remains the only unbeaten undisputed heavyweight champion EVER!
@ah93704 Marciano had incredible stamina to go with excellent power, but that doesn't mean he had the one punch power of Shavers. He was just a bizarre combination of great power for 15 rounds of non-stop fighting.
I'd rate Marciano's power higher than Foreman's though, because Foreman always needed a lot of shots to knock guys down or out. Marciano could take guys down with one punch, and guys didn't even like getting hit on arms by him.
@TA152H01 I dont think you know much about boxing. When looking at punchers and rating them you have to look at quality of opposition. Foreman was a much better puncher than Shavers. Shavers was great against weaker opponents but when faced with elite fighters he folded. Foreman and Marciano, on the other hand, knocked out better opponents!
@ah93704 Well, actually, I think you know nothing about boxing. Because guys that fought both Foreman and Shavers said Shavers hit harder.
Now, I realize blow-hards like you think you know more than Muhammad Ali, or Ron Lyle. You're a lot smarter, right? It doesn't really matter that they were in the ring with him, you're just so smart, you can tell by films?
I'm sure now we will all agree Foreman hit harder. Who cares what Ali or Lyle say? They're not smart like you.
@TA152H01 You dont seem to understand my point. Its not all about hitting power. Its about technique and many other factors. Foreman was better all around and proved himself to be the better puncher because he knocked out the better opposition. He knocked out Joe Frazier twice. Who did Shavers knock out that even comes close to Frazier? I rest my case!
@ah93704 Well, Shavers never fought Frazier, who in any case didn't have a great chin, so what's your point again?
They both fought Norton. Shavers knocked him out sooner. Duh.
Shavers nearly knocked Holmes out. Shavers badly staggered Ali in Round 2. Foreman couldn't manage it.
Bottom line, almost every boxer said Shavers hit the hardest, including guys that fought both. You don't know more than they. You think you do, but you don't. It's hard to deal with, but you can.
@TA152H01 Frazier didnt have a great chin? are you kidding me? Anyway, George Foreman has like an 84% ko ratio and Ernie Shavers had a 76% knockout ratio. Therefore Ernie Shavers is not as good of a puncher as George Foreman. By the way, Rocky Marciano has the highes ratio EVER at 88%. So, go read a book or two about boxing. Ernie may have hit Ali harder and Larry harder but neither boxer was able to knock those men out.
@ah93704 You don't know much about boxing, huh? Frazier got hurt by Ali. He got flattened badly by Bonavena. That's not a great chin. It wasn't bad either.
You don't understand numbers, so don't use them. Shavers fought until he was 50 years old, and his knockout ratio went down a lot because of that. Foreman fought late too, but still got a lot of knockouts.
What's Marciano got to do with this?
Is it that hard to admit you're wrong? Guys who fought both said Shavers!
@TA152H01 Frazier wa snever flattened by Boneva. He defeated him you moron. Look, I dont care what you say. Foreman hit harder than Frazier and that is made plain by the fact that he knocked out a higher level of oppositin and had a higher knockout ratio. Maybe Ali was hit harder by Shavers, but that doesnt mean he was the better puncher. It just means he hit Ali harder (and by the way, you fucking twat, Ali fought Shavers much later than he fought Foreman and so was more easy to hit..DUH).
@TA152H01 you're right, Shavers did need several shots to knock a guy down. YOu can talk all the smack you want, Foreman still had a higher ko ratio than Shavers. He also had a higher win ratio. Foreman would have destroyed Shavers in a fight. Shavers was an ok fighter but he lost to a lot of different fighters. He had over 10 loses, you know?
@ah93704 Ummm, you don't understand English. I said Shavers had one-punch power. Foreman didn't.
I think Foreman would have won more often than not as well. Shavers had huge power, but he couldn't follow it up. Foreman didn't have that huge punch, but once he got you hurt, he followed it up.
You can't count a ratio after a guy is old. When he was 35, Shavers had 56 KOs in 58 wins. That's unreal.
@TA152H01 of course you can, and Foreman had the greater power. When he retired the first time he was probably higher up the ko percentage than Shavers. Shavers had a hard time with very limited opposition. He struggled with guys that Foreman would have walked right through. I've been around the fight game since I was a little kid bro. I know what I"m talking about. Foreman was a better overall fighter and thus a better puncher!
@ah93704 Foreman was a better fighter, but he didn't have Shaver's punch. Not even close. No one thinks so. You don't know boxing at all.
Moorer was actually stunned by a punch before the knockout shot, although not horribly so.
So, by your illogic, Berbick was better than Ali? Shavers, at 35, had 56 out of 58. You can't count fights at 50 years old. It tells you nothing about their primes.
you said Bonavena "flattened" him you retard. Bonavena was defeated by Joe Frazier! Go do your research. I have forgotten more about boxing than you know!
@ah93704 Flattened meaning he was horizontal. I saw the fight a couple of times, and Frazier was badly hurt.
Anyone that thinks Foreman hit harder than Shavers knows nothing about boxing. You probably just have an unmanly love for Foreman, and despite all evidence, including fighters who were in the ring with him, refuse to see your sweetheart in the light of reality.
@TA152H01 ok look, smart guy, go to Ring Magazine and review their list of the 100 greatest punchers of all time. Guess who is number 1? Yep, you probably guessed it, the great Joe Louis. Guess who was one place higher than Ernie Shavers? You fucking scmhuck. You guessed it, GEORGE FOREMAN IS CONSIDRED THE BIGGER HITTER. So, me and the experts at Ring magazine think Foreman was better and you, SOME DOUCHE ON YOUTUBE, think it was Shavers...HA
@ah93704 I don't know what that list has on it, but it's probably not what you're saying, because no one thought Joe Louis hit as hard as Marciano, and no one thought Foreman hit as hard as Shavers.
Joe Louis said Marciano hit harder, so did Joe Walcott and Ezzard Charles. Even a sparring partner for both said Marciano hit harder with one shot than Louis did with four. This isn't a measurement of one punch power.
I think Foreman was a better fighter, dumb ass. He didn't hit as hard.
@TA152H01 you dont seem to get that boxing is interelated. Punching power is not an end of itsself. Take baseball, as an example, if you took two hitters and the one hit harder than the other when measured by a machine but the other one had a higher number of homers and whatnot..who was the better hitter? YOu cant prove that Shavers hit harder. YOu'd need a machien to do that. Ok, Shavers hit Ali harder, big whoopie. Neither man knocked Ali out. Foreman is the better overall fighter and he has
@ah93704 So now you're changing the argument. If you want to say Foreman was a better fighter, fine. I agree with that. That's not what you've been saying.
Shavers is widely considered to be the hardest puncher to ever get into the ring. He certainly wasn't the greatest. Or even close.
I'd rate Liston higher than Foreman as a fighter. Marciano was probably the best in terms of power and stamina combined.
@TA152H01 when you rate punchers, you have to look at different criteria. Who they fought? Their knockout ratio? etc. You dont seem to understand that. Foreman was better overall. Foreman did more as a fighter than Listion too. Liston was champ for a smaller amount of time than Foreman. Here is the rub my friend. We dont know who hit harder but Foreman had the better knockout record!
@ah93704 We do know who hit harder. Guys who fought them make it clear.
Liston was a much better fighter than Foreman. He didn't hold the title as long because Patterson avoided him for as long as possible.
Also, Foreman got destroyed by an old Ali, Liston was competitive with a younger one. Liston was a much better fighter. Both were gruesomely slow, but Liston had more skill. And a much better jab.
lol at Stallone story
DiceyJJ 3 days ago
GREATNESS. PERIOD.
gleegerb 2 weeks ago
Wish Earnie had a better career. Awesome puncher.
EndlessLaymon 1 month ago
36 is not old for a heavyweight ,ali used to keep his hand open thats why it was so quick but open hand in a glove doesnt hurt you like a real jab ,it just scores points,hate to say it but these russians ,while they are boring to watch ,are extremely good at what they do ,they are massive too ,and far more powerful overall than the 70s heavys.make no mistake they are better boxers than ,foreman ,frazier ,lyle ,just very dull to watch,
chromeheart65 1 month ago
@chromeheart65 Haha, they are pretty pathethic. 36 is not old if you are a slow slugger, like Liston or Foreman, if you rely on your stamina and reflexes, 36 is pretty old. HAHAHAH ARE YOU SERIOUS? YOU THINK KLITSCHKOS ARE BETTER THAN FRAZIER? HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHA
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michaelyouth 4 weeks ago
Shavers said Ali's jab had no sting...im disappointed he said that. Ali was 36 years old and was already WAY PAST HIS PRIME. If he fought a 26 year old Ali im sure he would be saying "Ali's jab was like a cobra striking you in the face"
vladiator100 1 month ago
yes so true the klitschko brothers are too big and have too much skill and are too smart they would destroy anyone in heavyweight history!! vilali has a chin of pure granite and shavers would not be able to hurt him
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michaelyouth 1 month ago
@michaelyouth explain to me why nobody has ever put vitali down or even come close to hurting him because he has a chin of pure steel!!and also has the HIGHEST knock out rate in heavyweight history with over a 90% ko rate trust me vitali with out injury is unstoppable and would crush anyone!
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michaelyouth 1 month ago
@slayeral1 ...No one has put Vitali down because he & his brother fight once a year, if that and when they do it is against nobodies. Granted. the heavyweight division is very bare, but these Klitchko's only fight "contenders" that get all of a sudden get "moved" into the top 10 by promotors just so the fight can be sanctioned!
flipurtop 2 weeks ago
I love Earnie Shavers!! Motherfucker would hit people and they'd go 20 feet in the direction he swung, fact.
illuminatiCannibal 2 months ago
If the Klitschko bros fought back in the 70's, they would have been good sparing partners. That would be about it.
4JayeP 2 months ago 12
@4JayeP
Wrong! The Klitschko would have beaten everybody.
ChampCarforlife 1 month ago
@ChampCarforlife U dont know nothing about boxing. The 70s was the golden era: Ali, Frazier, Norton, Lyle, Foreman....all of them top.
zimbreator 1 month ago
@4JayeP i dont like em either but still dont underestimate them... they are really good..
and i do know why amis dont like them cuz they are ukrainian ( Russian )..
i dont give a fuck about the nation its all about can he fight? and if you say he cant fight WHY THE HELL IS HE STILL THE HEAVYWEIGHT BOXING CHAMPION OF THE WORLD?
nightride18 1 week ago
@nightride18 Because of all the divisions in boxing, the Heavyweight is the weakest.
4JayeP 1 week ago
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nightride18 1 week ago
@4JayeP if they are so weak than just get in the ring with em
nightride18 1 week ago
im lucky enough to live just 5 minutes away from ernie in moreton,wirral.... and the first time i met ernie was in moreton town center were i said "hi ernie" in which he shook my hand and my wifes hand and we spoke for 10 minutes... i mentioned i boxed in the british army... and ernie then went home and returned with a signed photo and video( puncher of the century ) ernie is the nicest guy you can ever meet... and a credit to the world of boxing..... a true gent and champion !
brianthesnail1234 2 months ago 9
@brianthesnail1234
Man thats a great story
Earnies great
JacqueShredo 3 weeks ago
Ernie looks like he kept himself in great shape....looks like he can go 15 rounds right now !
ronnied828 2 months ago
I'm going to settle this debate. Shavers had great ko power against less than A level competition. Foreman knocked otu the better men. Also, he retired with a higher ko ratio. I think that makes Foreman the better puncher/knockout ratio!
ah93704 4 months ago
@ah93704: You are making an argument of statistics which I agree. Yes Foreman had a higher KOo ratio but the reason Ernie is considered the puncher of the century is because his peers gave him that title. Men who have fought both Ernie and Foreman all agree that Ernie had the more devastating punch.
kitchin07 3 months ago
@kitchin07 I see why they gave him that distinction. However, I think its too subjective. We dont know "why" they said Shavers was a bigger hitter. For example, how can Ken Norton know who hit harder when both men knocked him out cold? Its too subjective. I cant even remember who the best "kisser" was out of all my gf's and thats out of like 12 girls. See what I mean? Memory is too often untrue. Thats why I prefer statitstics but I do think Shavers hit like a mule!
ah93704 3 months ago
@ah93704 Well you obviously never boxed before but I can definitely tell who hit hardest of the guys I fought. If you are not going to believe the guys who were actually in the ring then maybe we ought to have put you in with them both so you can gain a more objective point of view. Stats really doesnt say who the hardest puncher was only who has more KOs. to settle the debate we would need toscientifically measure the impact of both men's power but I think its a little too late for that now
kitchin07 3 months ago
@kitchin07 actually, I have boxed before. Look at punching bags AFTER George Foreman worked on it. It is totally awesome. He would literally dent the bag. I've never seen another fighter able to do that (including Shavers). Look Shavers was a great puncher but he didnt do nearly as well as Foreman against top tier opponents!
ah93704 3 months ago
@ah93704again i agree that george has better stats and did better against top competition but that is not the issue here, the issue is who was the harder puncher and those who have fought both fighters including Ali confessed that Shavers hit hardest
kitchin07 3 months ago
@kitchin07 Boxers say stupid things all the time. They say things they dont mean. Like you said before, we'd need a machine to calculate who actually could punch harder. You can't be certain having fighters compare the two. You're better off looking at the stats. Looking at who did the most damage. Peoples opinions are too subjective. Stats and stuff like that are objective. BTW, Evander Holyfield said foreman was the hardest hitter he ever faced.
ah93704 3 months ago
@kitchin07 Think about what I'm telling you. Ron Lyle said Shavers hit harder than George yet who knocked Lyle out? It sounds like Lyle is just verbalizing sour grapes. Have you seen Shavers vs Lyle? Lyle absolutely destroyed him. Foreman vs Lyle was bakc and forth. Great fight. Foreman knocked that fool for a loop in the end.
ah93704 3 months ago
@kitchin07 dont forget also that Shavers was mostly a right hand puncher. He didnt have much of anything else. George Foreman could punch with either hand. Thats why he had a higher ko ratio!
ah93704 3 months ago
@ah93704: You are not arguing the point at hand, you are talking about a differnt issue. No one is denying the puching power of Foreman in both hands. Neither is the issue who has a higher knock out ratio that is not the issue. You interjected this aspect into the discussion. The point that is being made here is that Shavers punched harder; not his knockout ratio, or the power in both hands. If you cant take the word of Ali Holmes Norton and countless other then you obviously wont take mine
kitchin07 3 months ago
@kitchin07 You truly are a stupid person. Really! You just dont get it, do you? Why on earth would you take the word of Larry Holmes? Larry said Shavers hit harder than Tyson yet Tyson knocked Larry out and Shavers didn't? Larry is a sour loser, everybody knows that. Maybe Shavers hit Ali harder but it wasnt by much. Ali said in his auto that he was out on his feet several times during the fight with Foreman. He said the ropes were holding him up. Did he need ropes when he fought Shavers?
ah93704 3 months ago
@ah93704 You have to understand that Larry was 36 year old, 2 years retired when he fought MIke. He fought Shavers at the very peak of his powers at 26 years old. Holmes was in supreme shape, and able to recover.
examinfo 2 months ago
@ah93704 The thing with Muhammad Ali - George Foreman and Ali- Shavers was that Ali was really getting pummeled. He tried to protect himself in the rope a dope, but it did not work perfectly. The rope a dope was more a tactic to get hit, and take it, and at the same time jab the opponent senseless while he is getting more tired with the combination of punching himself out and getting sticked. Shavers, didn't pummel on Ali. Ali almost knocked the man out in the 15th.
michaelyouth 2 months ago
@ah93704: Dude comprehension is clearly not your strong point. Here you have eye witnesses people who who have been in the ring with these men testifying and here you are 30 years later saying these men Holmes Ali Norton Lyle dont know what they are saying. All these men are on record stating that Shavers was the harder puncher. Here's some stats for you. Foreman 76 fights 68 KOs, Shavers 75 with 69 KOs Foreman had 15 first round KOs shavers had 23. So you tell me who is the stupid person
kitchin07 3 months ago
@kitchin07: Tyson's strength was his speed and accuracy. It was his speed and accuracy that shocked his opponents. The guys who fought tyson described his punches as sharp and paralyzing. That's because they got hit with punches they did not see coming. He became a very ordinary figher when he lost his speed. Long as you can see a punch coming you are more likely to survive. You are a boxing novice so stop shitting on your keyboard you said you boxed but that is a lie cuz you dont know shit
kitchin07 3 months ago
@kitchin07 Tyson also had a lot of power behind the speed and accuracy. Tyson never quite became an ordinary fighter, even after his speed diminished. Just ask Andrew Golota, when Tyson nearly killed him.
cyrustg 3 months ago
Earnie Shavers - Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, George Foreman, Larry Holmes and Mike Tyson all tried ducking him. Ali and Holmes tried and failed and he gave them both hell. HAHAHAHA
truebeliever786 4 months ago
@truebeliever786 Jerry Quarry beat him.
seka1986 4 months ago
@seka1986 Yeah and that's why George Foreman ducked Jerry Quarry as well LOL
truebeliever786 4 months ago
My fave boxer behind ALI of course
benwety95 4 months ago
lol, nice to see holmes and the ko king! they can still hit the ish out of you...look at holmes! shavers had the hardest punch in heavyweight history, ali and homes both said.
pennywise1682 4 months ago
Its funny that in this video they make it out as if Tyson was ducking Shavers. LOL....Earnie was 40 when Mike went pro. Come on now.....
BazookaIke 4 months ago
Holy shit Holmes has let things drop a bit. looks like `The Nutty Professor`. Shavers on the other hand looks in good shape.
chanctonbury63 5 months ago
Back in the day we had some REAL MEN up in that Heavyweight Division.
Hell, the 2nd level guys were Quarry, Shavers, Lyle, Chuvalo, Patterson, Ellis,
Jimmy Young, Gerry Cooney.
The 3rd level guys were Bonavena, Joe Bugner, Evangelista, Bob Foster.
You had a long road to the top.
No cakewalks there.
wheelinthesky300 5 months ago
why the music? whyyyyyy???????
LaurieJames 5 months ago
Great interview but Vitali Klitschko does not have a glass jaw. He's never been knocked down and look at some of the punches he took from Lewis. His skin may be a wet paper bag, but his chin is beyond question.
bigmoney749 5 months ago
Shavers has to be the best heavyweight that never became world champ !!!
zh1992 5 months ago
This is one of the best interviews I've ever seen. Earnie Shavers is really a freaking legend.
I never knew Tyson avoided him. Damn.
And Larry Holmes, man. He's one of the greatest Heavyweights of all time...
truebeliever786 5 months ago
Age as foreman has taught us makes little difference. Though, would you not scared out of your mind standing there?
overlordspencerman 5 months ago
If Tyson has taken the fight that Shavers asked him to take, he would have been in a no win situation. If he defeated Shavers it was an old Shavers, if he lost, well, thats even worse. So, why would he take it? Even if he thought he would win? We all know Tyson would have defeated Shavers. Shavers never became champ because he wasnt good enough. Tyson made it Shavers didnt!
ah93704 5 months ago
vitali would destroy both these guys, easily ...
SullenMorbius 6 months ago
@SullenMorbius who has vitalli destroyed as good as these two..... just stop now please
YoungTrapztar 6 months ago
Thanks for this post! Excellent one...
expressivechild 6 months ago
Man, I missed it! Tyson was the last of the "knockout punchers". The heavyweight division is dead.
Vernonu9 6 months ago
Shavers looks like Tysons older brother
sonofthedestroyer 6 months ago
Ali Had A Flicking Jab??? Hmmm...Tell That To Sonny Liston, Frazier & Co...Ali's Jabs Leaves Marks On Your Face Equated To PUMPS!
Standardfrank 6 months ago
Ali's jab was a flick by the time he fought Shavers. When he fought the men you mentioned, it was a hammer.
vgr112261 2 months ago
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Standardfrank 2 months ago
saw some highlights of earnie my god he hits harder than foreman for sure not be much though
theog67 7 months ago
SHAVERS: Biggest puncher in history,weakest chin in history!
fadethetrade 7 months ago
Vitali would be a very tough fight for both these guys, but they'd handle Haye and Wladimir i think.
W3LSH100 8 months ago
Boxing4life1000 u r dumb as hell how could Tyson have ducked foreman and shavers when they werent in same era unless u wanted to see 20 year old Tyson beating on 50 plus yeAr guys dumb ass
sill259 8 months ago
@sill259 George Foreman was mounting an impressive comeback campaign during the late 80's when Tyson was champ. He would of been 38/39 years old by that time. Im pretty sure Tyson would not want to fight Foreman unless he had to or the money was unbelievable.
MOSTechnology 8 months ago
No wonder nobody talks about the Heavyweight division these days. After Tyson-Holyfield and probably Lewis-Klitchsko we had not have any really important fights. Lewis-Tyson was not relevant as Tyson was a shadow of himself. During the 1960-1980s the big fights were 75% in the heavyweights led by Liston, Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Ellis, Quarry, Bonavena, Shavers, Holmes, Norton and many others
KleePietro 9 months ago
When Shavers knocked out Ken Norton, it reminded me of watching my uncle slaughter cattle. I really thought Norton was a goner. The difference between Shavers' power and Tyson's power was hard to compare, because they had a different level of opponents. Tyson never, ever faced the same quality of fighters as Shavers. Most of Tyson's opponents made a decision to either survive, or find a soft place to land. Not so with the heavyweights from Shavers' era.
cypresscoach 9 months ago
tyson ducked shavers and foreman wow.
boxing4life1000 9 months ago
Those were two good fighters when I was growing up.I especially remember watching Larry Holmes and thought he was pretty much unbeatable at the time, which he was. That was a different era, a much better era than the current state of boxing.
morningbirdfeeder 9 months ago
@lostwalletMP from when is this interview exactly??
really wanna know
00SENNENGOROSHI00 10 months ago
Bang on, Larry. It's what I say all the time to youngsters and Tyson nuts. When Shavers and Holmes were coming up, they had to FIGHT to SURVIVE. There were a dozen Tysons, big, hard, with up to 20-0 records. But it all changed when they started to fight each other. Tyson was alone with no-one to challenge him apart from old veterans. He never developed with real hard fights. HUGE difference.
madmax8903 10 months ago
Vitali doesn't have a glass jaw
Adebay0r 10 months ago
Great interview. Holmes was such a great champion. Shavers was one of the best guys to never win a title. If he were fighting today he'd smoke out the entire HW division.
zenmachinefilms 10 months ago
To be fair Vitali Klitchko has a good chin.
incredibleXMan 11 months ago
shavers looks like seal the singer lol!
papoose1223 11 months ago
Earnie Shavers = Hardest Puncher To Ever Step In The Ring!
DodgeDweller420 11 months ago
it is great to see 2 Boxing Veterans without Brain Damage....makes me love the sport of Boxing even more!
Ahmet1445 11 months ago
@Ahmet1445 It sounds like Shavers's speech is a little slurred to me...It wouldn't surprise me at all if he was brain damaged.
chrisx2k6 5 months ago
love earnie shavers he used to live near me.
Racrewe1993 11 months ago
shavers is a bum anyone of todays haevies would ko him in 2-3 rounds. he is featherweight.
quadcatfly 1 year ago
@quadcatfly U say Shavers is a bum ??? Ok so u say that to the face of the hardest hitting hevyweight in history then. Shavers had 10x the punchin power of tyson
Racrewe1993 11 months ago
@quadcatfly he lives around the corner from me and i know some of his family would you like me to pass on the message????
superpigforlife 11 months ago
now we are talking real greats mmm shavers, holmes, ali and never forget norton or foreman these guys are real champions of the sport
truecreation 1 year ago
LOL @ Larry's super high and tight box fade!!!
renegado454 1 year ago
Great interview. Vitali Klitschko doesn't have a glass jaw though.
newsense87 1 year ago
Aint that the truth. What Holmes said was particularly apposite. Heavies today (Haye's a good example) are only in it for money. Yes, of course, that's what you go into it for, but the point is there's no reason to get GOOD anymore, the competition is so weak. In their day you had to fight your way through alot of hard, hungry guys to get a ranking, you HAD to be a good fighter. I don't know whether to laugh or cry when I see some 'modern' knocking over tomato cans and being labelled the GOAT.
madmax8903 1 year ago
Ernie looks like a destroyer even in his 60s
marabdl86 1 year ago
@marabdl86 Speaking of destroyers....Hulk Hogan claims in his book that when he boxed Foreman three rounds for charity once, Foreman hit him so hard in the arm that Hogan's leg went numb. LOL. Now that's a punch, eh?
brnleague99 1 year ago
@brnleague99
You better beleive it. These guys could knock buildings down in their primes.
marabdl86 1 year ago
@marabdl86 douchebAg Holmes ahd little power
ericssson 1 year ago
So called champs? And where the hell does this guy get off saying that Vitali Klitschko has a glass jaw? He has never even been knocked down.
Glasya666 1 year ago
@Glasya666 Vitali has a GOOD chin. Both Klits are champion caliber fighters, not ATG caliber however...
XionComrade 1 year ago
They are doing what people usually do with Ali, and that is comparing someone at their best with Ali when he is far from his best. Of course Holmes in his prime had a better jab that Ali had when he was a shot fighter. Shavers is very fortunate he never had to tangle with Ali at his peak.
dagiffy 1 year ago
@dagiffy Holmes really layed into his jab when he threw it, Ali didn't. I guess that is what Earnie means here, Holmes' jab was harder, and it was.
XionComrade 1 year ago
@dagiffy ur absolutely right, they talk bout a shot ali, prime ali whoops both of em, we dnt need 2 explain ourselves though, the all time ranks say it all, alis always been higher in rank then these fools, nough said
MrPelavacas 1 year ago 2
I had the honour of meeting Earnie Shavers a few years ago and what a gentleman this guy is. I'm a HUGE boxing fan and introduce myself to him saying, It's a pleasure to meet you Mr Shavers, To which he said, Please just call me Earnie... I once fought Muhammad Ali you know. I told him I knew this and he is 1 of only 5 people to have Ali on the deck and that I'd also seen him destroy Ellis , Norton etc!!! Wow you're a fan he said, Then we had a nice chat and a photo together. Great fighter
miketyson69 1 year ago
@miketyson69
Shavers never decked Ali.
BruceinFalkirk 1 year ago
Larry did not have a better jab than Ali..Shavers fought Ali when Ali was well, well past his prime and Shavers fought a prime Larry...so how can Shavers compare ??? Ali`s jab was much faster...and people forget speed hurts!!!
A young Ali could handle a Larry Holmes no problem at all....Larry still trying to put a spin on Ali...Larry Holmes is the worst sportsman of all time.
bigmace1000 1 year ago 2
Ali had a much better jab...much faster....
bigmace1000 1 year ago
A young Ali would have knocked out Larry Holmes...
bigmace1000 1 year ago 6
@bigmace1000 Holmes had a great chin, he stood up form Shavers punchers.. And he was a better mover and jabber than ali..
Wonderkid44 1 year ago
@Wonderkid44 Stood up to Shavers punches????..Shavers almost took Larrys head off and put him on his ass in the7th round...Larry was lucky to win...This video is a joke...Shavers says Larry had a better Jab...lol Ali was old when he got into the ring with Shavers,,but still beat Shavers bad...Larry will do anything to try to get out from Ali shadow..Larry pays Ryan Kelly to do the post so anything they say is bias. A YOUNG ALI WOULD HAVE BEAT LARRY BAD....NO PROBLEM AT ALL...
bigmace1000 1 year ago 6
@bigmace1000 Larry won every round, you asshole, and he had Shavers in much more trouble than shavers had larry in. Watch the fight before opening your mouth
Larrys jab was much harder, not as quick as ali's, but much harder. Thats what he means.
primeboxers 1 year ago
@primeboxers I was talking about the 7th round and how lucky Larry was to survive the knockdown,perhaps you should read what I`m saying before you start showing your intelligence level by swearing ,Shavers never put Ali down and he fought Ali when Ali was past his prime, Larry is the worst sportsman in sports history he never has a nice thing to say about anybody. A YOUNG ALI WOULD HAVE BEAT LARRY UP, poor Larry still trying to get out of Ali shadow by posting fake interviews with Ryan.
bigmace1000 1 year ago
@bigmace1000 right... still trying to get out of his shadow? No, he is still trying to get the recognition he deserves, but doesn't get because of assholes like you.
primeboxers 1 year ago
@bigmace1000 If Larry has anything then it's a great jab. If you don't think his jab is the best ever you don't know anything about a jab that can knockman out. And excatly? He took shavers punches and then out jabbed him for the rest of the match? Have you ever known anything about boxing.. Ali's jab done no damage watch him vs Sonny..
Wonderkid44 1 year ago
@Wonderkid44 I never said Larry did not have a good jab,I think Larry had one of the best jabs in boxing history..what I said is Ali`s jab was better...Ali`s jab was much faster than Larry`s also Ali would jab a person from mutable angles with lighting speed and speed hurts!! Ali`s jab would sting and cut. As far as the Shavers fight goes., Shavers fought a prime Larry.When Shavers fought Ali, he was past his prime..so how can Shavers compare Larry and Ali`s jabs?? Ali`s Jab is better
bigmace1000 1 year ago
@Wonderkid44 i know bout boxn trust me, prime larry n prime ali, larrys jab is awsome i completely agree, but alis is just bettr,prime ali beats larry, period, u think othrwise than ur the 1 that needs 2 learn, larry is easily 1 of the gr8s but hes no ali
MrPelavacas 1 year ago
@bigmace1000 LoL...Larry is a legend...But alot of "young" X's did KO him...Don't even need to question whether or not a young Ali would put him down.
chrisx2k6 5 months ago
i agree with larry to a point. american fighters have gone soft(in general). there are a few good ones out there, but nothing like the quality of the old days. our male culure has gone too squishy and most boys don't wrestle, or box, but just play video games about wrestling and boxing. the tough fighters are coming out of eastern europe,parts of asia and, as always, mexico. if the sport is even still viable in ten years, american boxers will be on the outside looking in.
MeesterChum 1 year ago
It seems like a big reason why boxing had so many good competitors who fought with so much heart back in the 50's,60's,70's even 80's could be directly correlated to the fact that most of these guys were plucked from and represented Americas hardworking "Blue Collar society". If these guys weren't boxing they might be working in a slaughter house,laying brick,digging a dich or working for GM. Today the economy is different that blue collar class is being disintegrated.
sz42781 1 year ago
REALLY FUCKING ANNOYING BACKGROUND MUSIC MAN!
paulin0z 1 year ago
I agree with what Larry says about boxing today. Guys like Ali, Foreman, Frazier, Norton, Lyle, Holmes and Shavers fought with heart and they fought to win, always pressing the action, never giving up. No one fights like that today. Today's fighters are risk averse, they take no chances. They fight not to lose.
Any fighter I listed above would completely clean out the HW division today.
zenmachinefilms 1 year ago
@zenmachinefilms
You have no idea what you're talking about. Ali and Holmes always pressed the action? Are you kidding me? Have you actually seen Ali fight?? Ali and Holmes did the same thing guys like the Klitschko brothers do today. They took minimal risks, moved and used their jabs to control their opponent, because thats smart fighting.
Ernie Shavers is the hardest puncher of all time, but he can hardly be considered "great". He often came in lackluster shape, and he often quit.
BootyInspectah86 1 year ago
Larry still rockin tha flat top....lol
tonganmobsta 1 year ago
totally class acts.
operacaster 1 year ago
Can't see why Shaver's opinion of Ali's and Holme's jabs counts. He fought prime Holmes twice and an out of shape post Manila Ali once.
mootle661 1 year ago 2
lol, the interviewer had to look at the title of the movie before he finished.
It is hard to build a definite top 5, you always have Ali, Marciano, Holmes, Tyson, Foreman, Frazier, Louis, Shavers, etc etc being mentioned. I cannot fathom how a person can have a consistent top 5 of all time.
Donal111 1 year ago
Great fighters the both of them.
The Acorn was an absolutely murderous puncher. 68 ko's in his 74 wins. Just WOW!!
But Larry is my favorite all time. Terrific all around boxer with a piston like jab, great right hand, great chin, determination and conditioning. Just a pity that he maybe didn't really get the respect and the type of acknowledgment that he should have. That's mostly due to the giant shadow cast by Ali.
Bloufo 1 year ago
the interviewer said that klitchskos have glass jaws about vitali that ain't true he took a lot of hard punches against lewis and stand on his feet til the fight was called but both klitshkos would get knocked out by fighters like shavers frazier and so on i mean heavyweight boxing is dead with all the real fighters retired
MrIronval 1 year ago
@MrIronval True, Vitali has a pretty good chin obviously, better than Vladimir anyway. But in these days with very low class opponents he manage to get away with it. Vladimir might be a hard puncher and a really good boxer, but he would have been killed by both of these guys. Corrie Sanders is no Earnie Shavers and Samuel Peter is no Larry Holmes just to compare.
drumtum 1 year ago
@drumtum couldn't agree more i don't think vitali is that good he's big sure and hits hard but also very slow pathetic handspeed i think that when you over 6'5 you should be in a super heavyweight division cos honestly they have an unfair reach advantage on most of their opponents i think you put vitali against holmes shavers foreman tyson i mean really prize fighters in their prime he wouldn't even be a dangerous opponents for thses legends
MrIronval 1 year ago
@MrIronval There's been boxers that tall and big since Dempsey but I think the politics and promotion of boxing has ruined boxing. These were some really tough hard punching guys though.
capablemachine 1 year ago
@MrIronval
Another guy who has absolutely no knowledge of boxing. A 6'7'', 250lb guy with the skills of vitali is a dangerous fight for any fighter that has ever lived. If you think otherwise, you're crazy.
BootyInspectah86 1 year ago
@torchkit Amen to that! Why is it that sports videos have to have "music" (just a bunch of computerized noise) in the background? What makes it even more annoying is that this was a good interview. I wish that when they put these videos together they would can the techn-pop.
BillClausen 1 year ago
Excellent interview but I had a hard time hearing what Shavers was saying with the ongoing background music.
BillClausen 1 year ago 9
@BillClausen , yeah thats my fault, the music was a bad choice. It was part of our library. Glad you liked the interview though
lostwalletMP 1 year ago 7
@BillClausen I agree about the music, but a great idea to have Larry Holmes, and Ernie Shavers on deck. All-in-All, good work, that's coming from a boxing FANATIC....
lovembig41 1 year ago
@lovembig41 we are working on getting tyson on the show to talk with the champ
lostwalletMP 1 year ago
@lostwalletMP Good luck with it... Send me some info about your show, I would love to catch it, even if you don't get Tyson...
lovembig41 1 year ago
@lostwalletMP I just want to know the power difference between Tyson and Shavers from the man himself Larry Holmes.
MultiGreat1 10 months ago
@MultiGreat1 I will ask the champ on tomorrows show and post his reply!
lostwalletMP 10 months ago
@lostwalletMP thanks
MultiGreat1 10 months ago
@lostwalletMP I would love to see that one as well, please when you upload it, reply to me here with the link! and thanks :)
madmarv7 10 months ago
@lostwalletMP Did you get the chance to ask him yet?
MultiGreat1 10 months ago
@lostwalletMP Couldnt find the video on your channel, could you tell me how Holmes compared them? Great interview by the way.
apestaartje321 7 months ago
@MultiGreat1 Ive heard him talk about it. He said "Shavers was the hardest puncher he ever faced, including Tyson."
mbhotie715 7 months ago
@MultiGreat1 the proof is in the pudding..Tyson put Larry down and Larry didnt get up..to me, that says it all.
ah93704 6 months ago
@ah93704 true . I believe Tyson was more effective as a puncher (sharper snapper punches as opposed to heaviness). Even Holmes said Tyson had a very good jab. Shavers was just a very heavy puncher. I will always pick effectiveness (snap, explosiveness, timing combination) over heaviness - why you think Tyson instilled fear like no one else. You can not deal with something you can not see.
AIMANALI 5 months ago
@AIMANALI very true. Tyson had overall more potent qualities as a finisher than Shavers. Shavers tended to fold against good boxers like Ali and Holmes.
ah93704 5 months ago
@ah93704 yeah - tyson on paper so to speak had more variety than any heavyweight ever. Cus was no fool when he picked him. What Tyson lacked was the mental strength against other great boxers. he did have mental strenght (he was the youngest heavyweight champ after all). THAT IS WHY Ali would have beaten him in my opinion. Holmes was not that old when he fought Tyson and people like Holmes do not just go down. Spikes was pissing in his pants (leave that B.S about Styles excuse).
AIMANALI 5 months ago
@ah93704 LOL! You can't compare it like that, Tyson hit Larry with a solid right hand and Larry got up straight away. Shavers caught Larry in his prime and Larry stayed down for a bit.
MultiGreat1 5 months ago
@MultiGreat1 yes, but who made Larry stay down for the 10 count?
ah93704 5 months ago
@ah93704 Mike Tyson. You obviously don't know boxing too well. It's the speed that knocks people out not really the power.
MultiGreat1 5 months ago
@MultiGreat1 In some cases, yes. But you dont know much about George Foreman, who punched slowly. It was his power that knocked fools, not his speed. I know more about boxing than you will ever know. I've had 12 fights and I"ve read more books on boxing than you've ever read period, kid!
ah93704 5 months ago
@ah93704 Like I said before, you obviously do not know boxing too well. Bring me a fight where George Foreman knocked a guy out cold. There is only a few like when he fought Gerry Cooney but the punches he knocked him out with were fast and sharp and Cooney never saw them comming. Like I said before, it's the speed and the accuracy mostly not really the power though the power can give you a better chance.
MultiGreat1 5 months ago
@MultiGreat1 Michael Moorey, Gerry Cooney, Ron Lyle, Michael Moore, Dokes, pretty much all of his tune up fights for the Holyfield fight. All of his up and coming fights were knockouts. Speed is important to a knockout and it is often the punch you dont see that ko's you but some fighters are pure power and George Foreman and Ernie Shavers are of that type. Mike Tyson is anohter one who had one punch knockout power, another is Rocky Marciano. They are known to have heavy hands!
ah93704 5 months ago
@MultiGreat1 Guys with "heavny hands" hurt you wherever they hit you. Rocky Marciaon, for example, was known to break the blood vessels on the arms of his opponents. Guys that hit the 80% ko ratio are usually in this group. Another good puncher was Joe Louis. Another was Jack Dempsey. I"ve been watching boxing for over 20 years and I"ve done it for 4 years of my live. I've also trained a few amateur fighters.
ah93704 5 months ago
@ah93704 You stated before that you were a professional boxer with 12 fights, now you are saying you only did boxing for 4 years all together, nevermind. Rocky Marciano was a hard puncher but not in Liston or Foreman's level.
MultiGreat1 5 months ago
@MultiGreat1 Never boxed pro but I had 12 amateur fights. You're right. Rocky Marciano is not at the level of Liston and Foreman. Marciano consistantly fought bigger guys and knocked them out. Foreman and Liston were onlyl able to knock out much smaller opponents. Good point!
ah93704 5 months ago
@MultiGreat1 Also, dont forget this. Rocky Marciano still has the highest KO ratio of any heavyweight in history AND he remains the only unbeaten undisputed heavyweight champion EVER!
ah93704 5 months ago
@ah93704 Marciano had incredible stamina to go with excellent power, but that doesn't mean he had the one punch power of Shavers. He was just a bizarre combination of great power for 15 rounds of non-stop fighting.
I'd rate Marciano's power higher than Foreman's though, because Foreman always needed a lot of shots to knock guys down or out. Marciano could take guys down with one punch, and guys didn't even like getting hit on arms by him.
TA152H01 4 months ago in playlist punchers
@TA152H01 I dont think you know much about boxing. When looking at punchers and rating them you have to look at quality of opposition. Foreman was a much better puncher than Shavers. Shavers was great against weaker opponents but when faced with elite fighters he folded. Foreman and Marciano, on the other hand, knocked out better opponents!
ah93704 4 months ago
@ah93704 Well, actually, I think you know nothing about boxing. Because guys that fought both Foreman and Shavers said Shavers hit harder.
Now, I realize blow-hards like you think you know more than Muhammad Ali, or Ron Lyle. You're a lot smarter, right? It doesn't really matter that they were in the ring with him, you're just so smart, you can tell by films?
I'm sure now we will all agree Foreman hit harder. Who cares what Ali or Lyle say? They're not smart like you.
TA152H01 4 months ago
@TA152H01 You dont seem to understand my point. Its not all about hitting power. Its about technique and many other factors. Foreman was better all around and proved himself to be the better puncher because he knocked out the better opposition. He knocked out Joe Frazier twice. Who did Shavers knock out that even comes close to Frazier? I rest my case!
ah93704 4 months ago
@ah93704 Well, Shavers never fought Frazier, who in any case didn't have a great chin, so what's your point again?
They both fought Norton. Shavers knocked him out sooner. Duh.
Shavers nearly knocked Holmes out. Shavers badly staggered Ali in Round 2. Foreman couldn't manage it.
Bottom line, almost every boxer said Shavers hit the hardest, including guys that fought both. You don't know more than they. You think you do, but you don't. It's hard to deal with, but you can.
TA152H01 4 months ago
@TA152H01 Frazier didnt have a great chin? are you kidding me? Anyway, George Foreman has like an 84% ko ratio and Ernie Shavers had a 76% knockout ratio. Therefore Ernie Shavers is not as good of a puncher as George Foreman. By the way, Rocky Marciano has the highes ratio EVER at 88%. So, go read a book or two about boxing. Ernie may have hit Ali harder and Larry harder but neither boxer was able to knock those men out.
ah93704 4 months ago
@ah93704 You don't know much about boxing, huh? Frazier got hurt by Ali. He got flattened badly by Bonavena. That's not a great chin. It wasn't bad either.
You don't understand numbers, so don't use them. Shavers fought until he was 50 years old, and his knockout ratio went down a lot because of that. Foreman fought late too, but still got a lot of knockouts.
What's Marciano got to do with this?
Is it that hard to admit you're wrong? Guys who fought both said Shavers!
TA152H01 4 months ago
@TA152H01 Frazier wa snever flattened by Boneva. He defeated him you moron. Look, I dont care what you say. Foreman hit harder than Frazier and that is made plain by the fact that he knocked out a higher level of oppositin and had a higher knockout ratio. Maybe Ali was hit harder by Shavers, but that doesnt mean he was the better puncher. It just means he hit Ali harder (and by the way, you fucking twat, Ali fought Shavers much later than he fought Foreman and so was more easy to hit..DUH).
ah93704 4 months ago
@ah93704 Actually, you dumb-ass, Frazier got knocked down twice by Bonavena. Bad knockdowns, not flash. Do your research, you brainless butt-monkey.
I agree, Foreman did hit harder than Frazier. WTF does that have to do with anything? You're a dumb ass, right?
Everyone who fought both said Shavers hit harder. You'd know better? You're too small to admit you're wrong.
Foreman didn't have one-punch power. He almost always needed several shots to get a guy down. Shavers did.
TA152H01 4 months ago
@TA152H01 you're right, Shavers did need several shots to knock a guy down. YOu can talk all the smack you want, Foreman still had a higher ko ratio than Shavers. He also had a higher win ratio. Foreman would have destroyed Shavers in a fight. Shavers was an ok fighter but he lost to a lot of different fighters. He had over 10 loses, you know?
ah93704 4 months ago
@ah93704 Ummm, you don't understand English. I said Shavers had one-punch power. Foreman didn't.
I think Foreman would have won more often than not as well. Shavers had huge power, but he couldn't follow it up. Foreman didn't have that huge punch, but once he got you hurt, he followed it up.
You can't count a ratio after a guy is old. When he was 35, Shavers had 56 KOs in 58 wins. That's unreal.
TA152H01 4 months ago
@TA152H01 of course you can, and Foreman had the greater power. When he retired the first time he was probably higher up the ko percentage than Shavers. Shavers had a hard time with very limited opposition. He struggled with guys that Foreman would have walked right through. I've been around the fight game since I was a little kid bro. I know what I"m talking about. Foreman was a better overall fighter and thus a better puncher!
ah93704 4 months ago
@ah93704 Foreman was a better fighter, but he didn't have Shaver's punch. Not even close. No one thinks so. You don't know boxing at all.
Moorer was actually stunned by a punch before the knockout shot, although not horribly so.
So, by your illogic, Berbick was better than Ali? Shavers, at 35, had 56 out of 58. You can't count fights at 50 years old. It tells you nothing about their primes.
TA152H01 4 months ago
you said Bonavena "flattened" him you retard. Bonavena was defeated by Joe Frazier! Go do your research. I have forgotten more about boxing than you know!
ah93704 4 months ago
@ah93704 Flattened meaning he was horizontal. I saw the fight a couple of times, and Frazier was badly hurt.
Anyone that thinks Foreman hit harder than Shavers knows nothing about boxing. You probably just have an unmanly love for Foreman, and despite all evidence, including fighters who were in the ring with him, refuse to see your sweetheart in the light of reality.
It must suck being so gay.
TA152H01 4 months ago
@TA152H01 ok look, smart guy, go to Ring Magazine and review their list of the 100 greatest punchers of all time. Guess who is number 1? Yep, you probably guessed it, the great Joe Louis. Guess who was one place higher than Ernie Shavers? You fucking scmhuck. You guessed it, GEORGE FOREMAN IS CONSIDRED THE BIGGER HITTER. So, me and the experts at Ring magazine think Foreman was better and you, SOME DOUCHE ON YOUTUBE, think it was Shavers...HA
ah93704 4 months ago
@ah93704 I don't know what that list has on it, but it's probably not what you're saying, because no one thought Joe Louis hit as hard as Marciano, and no one thought Foreman hit as hard as Shavers.
Joe Louis said Marciano hit harder, so did Joe Walcott and Ezzard Charles. Even a sparring partner for both said Marciano hit harder with one shot than Louis did with four. This isn't a measurement of one punch power.
I think Foreman was a better fighter, dumb ass. He didn't hit as hard.
TA152H01 4 months ago
@TA152H01 you dont seem to get that boxing is interelated. Punching power is not an end of itsself. Take baseball, as an example, if you took two hitters and the one hit harder than the other when measured by a machine but the other one had a higher number of homers and whatnot..who was the better hitter? YOu cant prove that Shavers hit harder. YOu'd need a machien to do that. Ok, Shavers hit Ali harder, big whoopie. Neither man knocked Ali out. Foreman is the better overall fighter and he has
ah93704 4 months ago
@ah93704 So now you're changing the argument. If you want to say Foreman was a better fighter, fine. I agree with that. That's not what you've been saying.
Shavers is widely considered to be the hardest puncher to ever get into the ring. He certainly wasn't the greatest. Or even close.
I'd rate Liston higher than Foreman as a fighter. Marciano was probably the best in terms of power and stamina combined.
TA152H01 4 months ago
@TA152H01 when you rate punchers, you have to look at different criteria. Who they fought? Their knockout ratio? etc. You dont seem to understand that. Foreman was better overall. Foreman did more as a fighter than Listion too. Liston was champ for a smaller amount of time than Foreman. Here is the rub my friend. We dont know who hit harder but Foreman had the better knockout record!
ah93704 4 months ago
@ah93704 We do know who hit harder. Guys who fought them make it clear.
Liston was a much better fighter than Foreman. He didn't hold the title as long because Patterson avoided him for as long as possible.
Also, Foreman got destroyed by an old Ali, Liston was competitive with a younger one. Liston was a much better fighter. Both were gruesomely slow, but Liston had more skill. And a much better jab.
TA152H01 4 months ago