No point continuing this debate as your mind takes weeks at a time to think of a reply, certainly aren't any busier than i am and i find it easy to spare a few minutes to do it.
Another time, another debate kid, don't lie so much and maybe, just maybe you'll prevail one day.
You just said "You SOUND like a PETA asshole you dumbass. That's the only reason I've mentioned them"
Whereas on my profile, you said "I see you're a member of my hated enemy PETA. It's idiots like you that make the world miserable".
You're such a fucking moron you can't even keep up with your own lies, hahahaha. This sums up the entire conversation really, you just make shit up as you go along, lie and then get hilariously caught out.
@muchlove59 And you've exceeded that bar with that post. What did I change my definition too? What about my grammar is awful? What did I 'misunderstand"? I mentioned God once and that was a while ago. Why? Because I thought you'd relate to at least that. You SOUND like a PETA asshole you dumbass. That's the only reason I've mentioned them. Answer these questions then I won't think you're SERIOUSLY RETARDED. I mean seriously where did you pull this out of your ass?
@muchlove59 My argument has both it 'strong legs' while yours are looking a bit wobbly. I've proven my point on more than enough grounds you just refuse to listen. Well I refuse to believe the dictionary sides with you. I want you to PROVE it does. Give some logic and reasonable evidence that even I can't refute. Then I'll agree with you. And no, 'the definition itself is my proof' won't work. Give me actual reasons that it does. Lets see how it goes.
7 posts, hundreds of words after having months and months and he STILL can't put together anything vaguely representing an argument.
I've explained my position in GREAT detail, backed up by multiple sources, multiple definitions and explained in detail why each is valid, video evidence and online references.
Also, where are you getting this PETA stuff, it doesn't say ANYWHERE i'm a member like you keep ranting about, did you run out of meds again?
@muchlove59 "GREAT detail"? What detail? All you've said is 'the definition agrees with me'. That retarded argument doesn't back up shit. I've proved how that doesn't fly with me. You didn't explain anything about HOW the 'definition' supports you. YOU just SAID it did. I see no video evidence or online references. Are you delusional or something? You position in my eyes is falling apart yet you seem to think its 'fool proof'. When did that happen? Never that's when.
@muchlove59 And the funny thing about using 7 posts I've actually explained IN MY OWN WORDS my position and what I thought of yours. You on the other can't. Why? Because you don't have your own words. You just blindly rely on the defintion and pray that I won't challenge you. Then when I do you insult and try to berate me for doing so. What the fuck kind of argument is that? EXPLAIN how the definition 'SUPPORTS' you then we can talk. You still haven't. Avoiding it are you?
@muchlove59 Words are an effective tool. But when they're not your own then that means you don't fully understand what you're saying. If I just took you at you're word than I'd be an idiot for believing an idiot. So I've come up with a solution. Tell me in what way does the 'definition' of torture support you. Give me reasons because all you've done is say 'it just does'. That's not an answer. Give me proof. Pretend I'm just as stupid as you and explain it to me.
It's pretty clear you don't have to pretend to be stupid. Your failure to provide anything vaguely resembling an argument over several months, thousands of words and hundreds of posts lends weight to that theory.
I've backed up my stance, it's your turn to provide some evidence to back up your own, if you can 8)
@muchlove59 Like I've said my common sense is enough to shatter your 'truth'. Its like you using a wagon with square wheels are say "That's how every wheel is its in the dictionary blah blah blah." And there I am with my common sense, "You know if the wheels were round you wouldn't have much trouble." Then you stubbornly go, "Show me some evidence because the dictionary say this and that." To which I respond, "Why do I require evidence it should be obvious if you think about it."
@muchlove59 History is my evidence. You know how royalty used to do whatever they wanted with its citizens. And that was the law. It was in the 'dictionary'. Did that mean it was right? NO OF COURSE NOT. That's why there was uprisings then the 'dictionary' changed didn't it? Using this same logic and common sense I refuse to believe in your 'so called facts'. Why? Because they're stupid nothing more nothing less. What you need is evidence as to WHY the dictionary 'supports' you.
7 posts and nothing but dribble. Literally no content of any use at all. Now you're trying to redefine intelligence, which is btw:
ntelligence has been defined in different ways, including the abilities for abstract thought, understanding, communication, reasoning, learning, planning, emotional intelligence and problem solving.
Considering you can't even make an evidence based counter point........lol.
@muchlove59 You're every post is nothing but dribble. You might as well stand on a pedestal and shout your 'gospel of truth' like all the other lunatics. I've destroyed you 'content' and 'truth' time and again yet you seem spout the same pig vomit like its the truth. All you've done is quote the dictionary wrongly. All I've done is try to correct you with common sense. Which one of has no evidence again? That would be you. You say it backs you up but does it really. I don't think so.
@muchlove59 I'm sorry my life doesn't revolve around you but you see I'm what you call a BUSY PERSON. If you want to get owned that badly then calmly wait for me to get back to you. I've got other things to do.
And the fact that torture can be psychological and totally unrelated to physiological pain also totally dismisses your rant about it meaning torture = you cannot move.
If i caught my cock in my zipper, it would be torture getting it out, but hey, i can still move.
You need to back up your stance with more than just your own opinion, i've explained multiple times how you should approach this but instead you mumble about terrorists
You've had months and still no evidence to back you up, lol
@muchlove59 In cell = can't move. I've proven my opinion yet again. Common sense dictates that seeing is believing. I believe you've again equated general pain to torture to prove you can move during 'torture'. Riiight. You're argument is sounding more and more retarded by the week. I just don't want to get an aneurism reading you stupid posts. I actually have to prepare myself for the stupidity you unleash.
@muchlove59 Funny thing is that IF torture really was posted on YouTube than it would be quickly removed. SO the fact that they're still there means... come on say it... NOT FUCKING TORTURE. See was that so hard to understand. I mean an elementary school kid could have figured that out. You know the censoring thing. How much of a dumbass are you? You're 'evidence' doesn't back up shit.
@muchlove59 As for your facts and 'extremely strong reference' I can easily destroy that. Did 'Catcher in the Rye' make you do it? Did the words speak to you telling you to be a total jack ass. Do you get my reference? YES people can go anywhere and find meaning in anything they want. You simply chose the dictionary. Why? Because you aren't creative enough to actually look for it anywhere else. Stop being a retard and read what the INQUISITION did and compare it to bull fighting.
Also I notice that you never answered all my previous comments that easily owned you a 100 times over. Like your little 'explaining' torture with videos to people and what not
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I literally have no idea what you're talking about here, are you sure you're seeing things in the real world and not having another hallucination as i have no idea what you're talking about.
@muchlove59 You started your quote with: Pretend we were doing academic work which is going to be peer reviewed etc.
I write a detailed explanation fo the cruelty put upon the animal..." I answered that and thoroughly owned you. Was the owning so bad that you wish to forget about it completely. Sorry I guess I'll have to be gentler with you. I didn't know your mind was that 'fragile'. It should be on the 3rd page when you said. About 4 days ago I think.
Simply mumbling that you're right doesn't prove anything at all other than you THINK you're right.
My argument has key elements yes, so it should be extremely easy to prove me wrong with facts and evidence. Theorising is all well and good but in an evidence based factual discussion, opinions are like assholes.
If the question was about bullfighting, i have not been to Spain to see the events live, but i have seen hundeds of documented bull fights.
@muchlove59 Simply saying 'the dictionary says so' doesn't prove anything either. Your 'key elements' are in your messed up head. You know like how terrorists believe to be right because their holy texts say something akin to 'killing God's enemy = 72 virgins in heaven". I look and decide based on what I believe and this is not torture. Abuse definately. Torture impossible. You've got your facts wrong yet you can't seem to see that. Ignorance is bliss?
Heres a tip for the dumb, if you disagree with me, analyse why i'm wrong.
Say that the animal doesn't go through agonising pain, isn't scared or explain why it's happy and joyous to be ganged up on, speared, stabbed and executed, all the while with a smile on it's face and explain why none of this constitutes great physical or mental suffering, which is the corner stone to my argument.
Prove that it's happy and enjoys it, piss taking aside actually present an argument!
@muchlove59 ANIMAL CAN MOVE = NOT TORTURE. ANIMAL SUFFERS = ABUSE. Is that enough for you or is it still too hard? If the animal is scared than why doesn't it RUN AWAY. It has that ability but obviously not the intelligence. That's why throwing in 'torture' is the retarded part of your argument. Now an example to prove my OPINION: Is a zebra happy and enjoys being surrounded by lions that eat it? Is that also torture? Or is it FUCKING NATURE? Think hard on that.
@muchlove59 ANIMAL CAN MOVE = NOT TORTURE. ANIMAL SUFFERS = ABUSE. Is that enough for you or is it still too hard? If the animal is scared than why doesn't it RUN AWAY. It has that ability but obviously not the intelligence. That's why throwing in 'torture' is the retarded part of your argument. Now an example to prove my OPINION: Is a zebra happy and enjoys being surrounded by lions that eat it? Is that also torture? Or is it FUCKING NATURE? Think hard on that.
The animal is loaded with heavy bags and pre exhausted before event, then slowly worn down whislt speared in various organs, slowly bleeding to death. Eventually, totally exhausted and bleeding to death, the matador stabs it in the nerve budle, sending it crashing to the floor and then executes it. Rarely works first time so has to stab again and again in the skull.
In your mind, that great isn't physical or mental suffering?
@muchlove59 Running away from a debate is one thing but what I did was avoid colliding into a brick wall (you). You show nothing in this debate and stick to your wrong OPINION just because a dictionary can be read by an idiot (again you). That's why the south lost and you will too. Did you really think I'd run from someone whose so totally wrong. That's like letting the terrorists win (you). I'll correct your misguided and retarded views if its the last thing I'll do.
The animal is loaded with heavy bags and pre exhausted before event, then slowly worn down whislt speared in various organs, slowly bleeding to death. Eventually, totally exhausted and bleeding to death, the matador stabs it in the nerve budle, sending it crashing to the floor and then executes it. Rarely works first time so has to stab again and again in the skull.
In your mind, that great isn't physical or mental suffering?
If there anyone out there whose actually willing to DISCUSS or DEBATE about this issue than you're welcomed to talk. I've grown tired of trying to talk to a 'wall' that doesn't listen. I'm not that hard headed and if you've got reasonabe points to make them I'm all ears.
Merely beating your opponent with cold hard facts is one thing, utterly anhiliating them and their lies to the point where they run away is another thing altogether.
I've enjoyed our time together, haven't debated with someone quite as retarded as you before but it was an experience, made all the sweeter as you now must run away and hide in shame.
@muchlove59 I see that you still don't get how wrong you are. I mean how stupid can one guy get. If most people are like you than slavery would still be legal today. Though you claim to be the victor I see it as nothing more than winning the special olympics but comparing you to them would be offense to them. I neither ran nor hid from you and your 'so called' facts. Here's some homework read the definition of abuse than get back to me. I'm back and ready for action
@muchlove59 Also I notice that you never answered all my previous comments that easily owned you a 100 times over. Like your little 'explaining' torture with videos to people and what not. Did I own you that badly that you just refused to comment about it. I owned you so thoroughly that I thought there wasn't a need to continue then I felt guilty because it felt like I just beat up a retard. I held my pride in check and PRETENDED to leave the issue to see how you'd react. YOU FAIL.
I think it says alot when someones fragile mind sees someone who is a community responder, saving lives is a terrorist. I mean i ridicule you for the lying, the jesus talk, not having a clue of anything you're talking about AT ALL, changing your definitions in every post, mumbling about drugs and now your super secret winning technique is to return with no facts or an evidence based coutner argument \o/
You've had months and still you present just your own opinion, lol
@muchlove59 My own opinion is all I need because like I've said countless times I actually LIVE IN THE REAL FUCKING WORLD. I'm sure terrorist were kind people too before they also started misinterpreting their religion to suit their needs. I tried every possible venue that you might possibly understand yet you still remain stupid. I also maintained that torture = VICTIM NOT BEING ABLE TO MOVE. Was that hard to remember? I believe that was why I thought your argument was bullshit.
@muchlove59 My own opinion is all I need because like I've said countless times I actually LIVE IN THE REAL FUCKING WORLD. I'm sure terrorist were kind people too before they also started misinterpreting their religion to suit their needs. I tried every possible venue that you might possibly understand yet you still remain stupid. I also maintained that torture = VICTIM NOT BEING ABLE TO MOVE. Was that hard to remember? I believe that was why I thought your argument was bullshit.
@muchlove59 Also about my 'winning' technique was meant to see how you'd react as a man. If you should some humility and say didn't act like a total douche than maybe we'd reach an agreement. Yet you in your infinite arrogance actually thought it was your 'sweetest victory yet' proving to me and all watching what a total asshole you can be. You save lives huh? Remember to get the next community responder to save me because letting you do it would make me feel dirty. Since you aren't human.
@muchlove59 I'll give you an example as to why you aren't human. I gave the reason about 'What about children who suffer?' Instead of answering with 'that's a problem too but that shouldn't draw any less attention to this issue." you instead answered with, "what children have to do with it. Stop changing the subject. Where's evidence blah blah blah..." Now it seems to me you don't care how much children suffer so long as bulls don't. Well FUCK YOU. I care more about children than bulls.
@muchlove59 The funniest thing is that my opinion is still more logically than your 'so called' facts. Its hilarious actually. Why? Because you say that its torture and I prove that its not without even having to look for facts. I can rationize it with COMMON FUCKING SENSE. I guess some people don't have it(YOU). So I'll explain it as many times as I need to before the broken light in your head clicks. Ive got my work cut out for me.
Correct English would have been "my opinion is more logical", not logically than yours. Which is kinda funny considering you're trying to make out that you're intelligent and all that.
You stating that opinion > facts is hilarious.
It's not rocket science but you STILL haven't given anything resembling an evidence based counter point. Just a mumbling, semi lucid opinion.
Not one single definition of torture says anything about being unable to move, not one.
@muchlove59 Fine let me correct myself... MY opinion > YOUR facts. I'm so sorry for the confusion but I thought you'd figure out that I was attacking what you call 'facts' again I overestimated you. You're evidence dissolves oh so easily yet you want my evidence? Have solid evidence if you wish to make a point. For now common sense is all I need. You don't have that but keep trying.
@muchlove59 By the way I meant to type "my opinion is more logically sound" but I typed a bit too fast and skipped the word sound. Considering that your grammar and mispelled words are actually quite consistent compared to my once in a blue moon misstep. How petty you've grown but I won't hold it against you little guy. Look for my mistake. ""LO1"" I wonder where my mistake is? Why don't you tell me? You seem to want a challenge. Come on look real hard now.
Another example of why you're so hilariously wrong, google search:
A young boy escaped a life of torture Monday after running into In-Shape Sports Club in Tracy, California. The 17-year-old was the size of a ten-year-old and had a chain locked on his ankle.
He was being tortured and escaped, something you said is impossible? This btw was from a cursory glance and it debunks your impossible to escape torture claim.
So i provide a counter point, and you provide.....nothing 8)
@muchlove59 Was he being tortured the moment he escaped? If he was than how did he get away? Why didn't his torturers just capture him if he was the siz of a 'ten-year-old'? I find that you're counter point is what's the word... oh yeah TOTALLY FUCKING STUPID. So if a bull escaped BEFORE it got to the arena than it still must have been tortured? That's your fucking logic (if you can call it that). You provide a RETARDED 'counter point' and I DESTROY it with COMMON FUCKING SENSE again.
Several months, hundreds of posts, thousands of words and you still haven't made anything vagely resembling a coherant argument or evidence based counter point.
Every post of yours resembles something a drooling spastic would do if typing with his elbows, mumbling about terrorists and magical sky men. Although the spastic would at least attempt to debate and not just use his own vague, ever changing definitions between psychotic episodes.
@muchlove59 See the measure of a man with intelligence is his ability to explain something a variety of ways for the not so intelligent (YOU). I've constantly mentioned that torture= not being able to move while pain etc... yet you think I changed that definition. When did that happen? YOU brought up what you thought were tortures and I agreed with some. Obviously not bullfighting thought because that's stupid. You seriously need a reality check.
Is it really THAT difficult to provide an evidence based, factual answer? You have had so long and you've done nothing but dither, rant and mumble about inane and totally irrelevant rubbish.
Btw i do the same, i type very fast and don't care to proof read, you're not important enough for me to bother. However, it was just funny to notice the huge grammatical fail after ranting about how intelligent you were. Irony and all that 8)
@muchlove59 Common sense is all I really need. It seems to be something you lack. I've provided enough examples to make even the dumbest PETA asshole realize that your argument is stupid and wrong. Yet you call it rubbish because I don't agree with you. Much like a child. When you explain something simple to them yet they STILL don't get it so you try DIFFERENT APPROACHES to make them understand. Yes I've been treating you like a child. Its really funny to me actually.
@muchlove59 I've noticed that you've misspelled so many things that it makes me feel like you're testing me. I think 'There's no way he's THAT stupid, is he?' I've given you the benefit of the doubt but you suddenly attack my grammar for what reason. Let's see grammar < my point getting across. You look even more childish than before. "Look my words look prettier than yours do. Nya nya nya nya." Is literally what you sound like? Where's the intelligence in that?
The fact that you compared being speared in the organs, stabbed in the spine and having your skull pierced in the final execution to stubbing your toe is THE dumbest thing i've heard and sums up this whole argument really.
You have NOTHING on your side except your own opinion and your fragile state of mind. I know a schizophrenic who makes more sense than you, which is kinda funny but sad at the same time.
@muchlove59 Trying to follow YOUR logic. Pain is abundant everywhere why worry about an animal's when humans are suffering just as much. I've got the logic I acquired in the real world. You have nothing more than a pervesion of a definition and your pathetic ideology. I've tried explaining to you time and time again that you little view with the 'spearing of organs' and that nonsense is only half the story. What about when the matador gets gored? Where on Earth can an 'executioner' get killed
The animal is loaded with heavy bags and pre exhausted before event, then slowly worn down whislt speared in various organs, slowly bleeding to death. Eventually, totally exhausted and bleeding to death, the matador stabs it in the nerve budle, sending it crashing to the floor and then executes it. Rarely works first time so has to stab again and again in the skull.
In your mind, that great isn't physical or mental suffering?
@muchlove59 I've seen an actually bull fight and none of that took place. Want to know how I know? Because the bull gored one of the handlers before even stepping into the ring. The poor guy was only opening the gate on the truck that held the bull too. Nice job making it appear worse than it is. I don't believe you though. Because like I've said I've seen it with my own eyes. Have you? Tell me you have. Be a hypocrite. If not than shut up with the FALSE RUMORS.
Then you come along, start mumbling about drugs, geneology, stubbed toes, stem cells research, invisible magic men, changing the definition of your own subject at every turn, misunderstanding your own quotes, calling the bull a terrorist (lol btw) and then you reference yourself. Your evidence is backed up by your own opinion, which, academically is utterly worthless.
You'd be laughed out of the room.
I present facts, you present opinion. Simple as that.
@muchlove59 You're opinion(like I've stated before) is nothing more than a perversion of the definition of torture. The reason I've had to jump around in my explanation is either 1) you're too hard headed to listen so I change my approach to something you might understand. 2) you're too stupid to understand and I'm wasting my time trying to elaborate for you. And slave owners would have 'laughed me out the room' if I told them slavery is wrong before the Civil War. Yeah I'm so hurt being right
Pretend we were doing academic work which is going to be peer reviewed etc.
I write a detailed explanation fo the cruelty put upon the animal in the days leading up to the event, the pain, slow bleeding to death andf then execution etc, all in the name of fun and the reference multiple sources, the dictionary for our language with the citation etc and all the other evidence i had shown.
@muchlove59 I write that the animal has the same chances of killing the 'executioner' as it does of dying. I show video after video of different matadors getting gored 'in the name of fun'. I explain that this is a dangerous job and that like many dangerous jobs they can die. I show the difference between what you say and how it was meant to be read. I show examples of historical tortures and compare. I bring up the one consistant element. The victim can not move. I own you plain and simple
@muchlove59 Since I've realized you're just a lost cause I've decided to give up on you. Don't take this as running away. I just realized that continuing to debate with you will only soil the good discussions I've had with those of gifted intelligence. It would make me take back some of the clear points I've made with them. I won't let a random idiot destroy that. I've decided to just walk away. Go ahead an 'suicide bomb' whatever you want. I knew changing a terrorist is impossible.
Oh, and water boarding doesn't inflict pain, it inflicts panic and terror.
Which means, that this extremely popular and well known torture method has blown your stupid idea of what torture is out of the water. And again, you make no explanation of mental torture, which again blows your stupid ideas out of the water, hilariously so.
You're getting pretty badly beten here dude, may be an idea to come up with an evidence based counter point lest you sound as dumb as you clearly are.
@muchlove59 What was it that was said about physical and MENTAL suffering again. I've agreed that water boarding is torture you idiot. Why? Because the victim can't MOVE while water is being poured on him. Thanks for proving soo many of my points other than you're retarded. It's torture because they can't move. How's it feel to be beaten with your own words. I mean you seem to understand what REAL torture is yet I don't see the bull being water boarded now do I? Dumbass.
@muchlove59 That would explain so much. I mean your argument does sound like a lot of drunken ranting to begin with. I should have seen it before. Why on Earth was I trying to talk sense to a drunk? Man I feel silly now. Sober up so you can understand how you're very wrong. Don't worry I won't hold it against you. I've seen some 'out there' drunken behaviour. I won't judge you for it.
Academically, which matters when you have hig brow descussions, you have been anhiliated. I've provided multiple sources, hard facts that very clearly agree with my perspective.
You have provided your own made up opinion, backed up by your own opinion and an ever changing , narrow view of what you define as your opinion.
You're basically saying that the English language is wrong and that you're right, i would point and laugh at you crimsonqueer but i feel more and more sorry for you 8'(
@muchlove59 Like I've said before you're argument is the same one the terrorists use to justify suicide bombing and killing Americans. "Our religion's holy book says that if we kill American we'll get 72 virgins in heaven." You misinterpret the definition to suit your needs. Its like saying, "Its causing some FORM of SUFFERING than it must be torture." Than what is abuse? If everything that causes suffering is torture than where does abuse fit in? See how your argument falls apart so easily
Again, you come up with loads of 'words' with no content at all. I produce a crystal clear explanation, with examples and definitions and you produce your opinion, and start mumbling about terrorists.
You've been absolutely destyroyed and keep changing your own definitions at a hilarious pace.
I'm STILL waiting for your evidence based counter point. You've had weeks/months and still nothing of any worth at all, just your own opinion.
@muchlove59 I've never changed my definition. Torture = victim CAN'T move while pain is being inflected. Just because it isn't written in when it should have you seem to think I'm wrong. I've only changed how to explain this definition to the densest of skulls (YOURS). See I'm still waiting on evidence to show that its torture and not just abuse which by the way I've acknowledged. You know if you were smart than you'd realize that just by stepping back there would be a way to own me. Too bad.
@muchlove59 Let me tell you. If you'd agree to drop the ridiculous notion that its torture than I'd have to recognize that the animal is being abused. And then I'd have to bring up the fact that to some this is the quickest and most dangerous way of making money. I'd submit that if jobs were ready for them then I'd agree to acknowledge that it should be stopped. Those way smarter than you discussed this with me in length and we came to an understanding. You fail to understand its that simple
@muchlove59 Yeah I know the filling. You talk about torture like you really have been tortured but that an obvious lie. Its like how doctors say, " Oh I know everything about PTSS because I read it in an article." "Oh than did you experience it firsthand?" "Hell no but if I read it than that means I know everything about it, rigth?" Who looks like a dumbass without any content? You're argument is "I read the definition". Riiiiight. That's means jack shit.
@muchlove59 Its just like how you deal with an idiotic hyper child. You show them that they can't win a battle of wills. And I will break you're will and expand your narrow-mindedness. You'll see. Besides if I let everything get to me than I'd be way too tense to argue anymore yet here I am. Did you really think that just because I answered back an insult that I'm 'butthurt'. Bitch please. I was in the Navy for God Sakes. I've heard it all. But that doesn't mean I'll just ake it either.
I do enjoy owning liars and morons, goodbye dear crimsonqueer. Next time you get into an argument, try not to lie so much and actually learn a little of what you're arguing about or you'll look as dumb as you do atm.
@muchlove59 How IRONIC considering that you're the biggest liar and dumbass here. You seem to think that you can 'attach' torture to just about anything. Oh no a cat just caught a bird and is about to eat it, that's TORTURE. Boo hoo hoo. Seriously that kind of faggotry should be keep to the hippies. By the way clever use of queer muchgaylove59. A five year old could do it. Try making some damn sense if you want to own me.
2500 character in 5 posts, and you still say absolutely nothing of any content or value other than your own opinion.
You're rambling about anything and everything, making no sense at all. You've been lying, changing the parameters of your own definitions, and then furiously back pedalling, mumbling about drugs, magic men, geneolgy and now gun control?
You don't think it is, i think it is and the weight of evidence agrees with me.
I'm still waiting for this evidence based counter argument
@muchlove59 I've explained what I view as torture and anything that doesn't remotely sound like it doesn't qualify in my eyes. Like I said the ONLY WAY for bullfighting to be torture is if the bull is tied down and can't defend itself. That's the CLEAR definition of TORTURE. Anything else is just out of context. You have nothing behind you as I made the SAME RIDICULOUS ARGUMENT on how the bull tortures the matador. There are videos where the bull jumps into the stands right? ESCAPING maybe
That episode is a good reference when Jack McCoy tried to prosecute a gun company for not making their guns 'tamper proof'. He won the case on the 'letter of the law' however the judge saw it for what it was: EMOTION GONE OUT OF CONTROL. He ruled against it and let the gun company off. Its a good lesson I believe since you seem to believe that anything written down is law. It's not as simply as that. It can be twisted to meet anyones needs (like you). Go case by case.
Oh and stop lying, it never said anything about stess, it said and i quote:
a cause of great physical or mental suffering (source:oxford dictionary)
Nothing about stress, so stop lying through your teeth!
Also your ludacris notion of what torture is focuses purely on the physical, someone can feel mental torture because of an agonisingly tough decision and have nothing to do with captors or interrogation. You're mind is too limited to see just how hilariously wrong you are 8)
@muchlove59 Tell me when something is about to be KILLED is there ever a time when it DOESN'T SUFFER. Oh than LIONS must be TORTURING ZEBRAS before KILLING them. That's your ridiculous argument. It's going to die in a more exaggerated way than a slaughter house. Afterwards its still going to be eaten. The whole world doesn't eat fruits and vegetables you know. The way I see its just EXTREME 'PLAYING WITH YOUR FOOD'. That's all not torture.
I still wait your evidence based counter argument, been many many weeks now and nothing at all other than your own opinion.
I'm patient, i'm sure any moment now you're going to bring up hard facts and evidence that isn't just your own opinion to back up your claim and dismiss my claims.
@muchlove59 You seem to think that any form of pain can be called 'TORTURE' (a slight exaggeration of your WRONG beliefs but fitting). Example: "Ow, I stubbed my toe on the table. It's TORTURING ME. I've got stress from the pain and I might die." See how retarded that sounds yet you seem to think that its right because it vaguely coincedes with the definition. WRONG. PAIN does not equal TORTURE. TORTURE = TORTURE. Understand yet?
@muchlove59 I can't believe the nonsense you spout. I mean if that were true than the creators of the TELLETUBBIES or BARNEY should be put in jail for torturing the parents of AMERICA because their kids loved that crap. Yes mental stress = torture by your definition but where does it end? If you think this is torture than it will never end that's why I'm trying to correct you before that person really is for creating them.
@muchlove59 Sorry if my grandfather's younger sister dying causes you to think you've won but attending the wake and funeral was obviously much more important. Though I've only met her several times as a child I still enjoyed her company. SO now that we've clarified that you're an asshole let's continue the 'debate' shall we?
@muchlove59 If your take on torture is true than I don't want to live in AMERICA anymore. Because if you do anything that causes anyone the slighest bit of discomfort or stress than its torture. YOUR OWN GOD DAMN WORDS. (TORTURE = MENTAL STESS) Isn't that a bit TOO LITERAL? Obviously not for you because the definition supports you right? In the famous words of a kick ass judge on LAW AND ORDER: "It's not about BEING right its about DOING right." You aren't DOING right . NOT EVEN BEING RIGHT.
@muchlove59 See the funny thing about torture is that all torture victims have the same circumstances in that THEY COULDN'T FUCKING FIGHT BACK. Think on that. Torture is torture BECAUSE the victim can't DO ANYTHING to the TORTURER. Can the BULL do SOMETHING to the MATADOR? What it can GORE HIM? Doesn't sound like TORTURE now does it? What was YOUR ARGUMENT AGAIN? Something stupid sounding I'm sure.
The definition of torture from many different sources disagrees with you. You're hilariously wrong to the point that it's sad and i feel bad for you.
So torture is being tied down now is it, i do love how the definition changes with every post. So when someone suffers mental torture from a tough decision of enduring pain, they are tied down? Their brain is tied down?
Your opinion is just dumb. Mine is backed up by the Oxford dictionary.
@muchlove59 You want an example on how 'definitions' are subject to change. I seem to remember there was a time when the 'definition' of slavery had legal in it. Do you remember that? The president didn't seem to agree (much like how I don't agree with any LITERAL misinterpretation) to it. What happened afterwards? The definition changed to illegal and immoral. Hmm, are dictionaries always right? History says no.
@muchlove59 Because I know for a fact that not being able to FIGHT BACK is the central part of torture. You know that way we can know the difference between torture and abuse. Instead of being dumbasses that associate anything that cause pain (suffering) as 'torture'. You know I did a little experiment and check the words in Mic.Word's Thesaurus. They weren't the same despite having similar meanings. Bullfights are abuse at best. Try thinking with your brain for once.
@muchlove59 The way I see it torturing someone means to inflict as much pain as possible while keeping the victim alive. Think about it. What's the point of torturing? Usually to get information or for vengeance. You must know the phrase 'tortured to death', right? That means death by torture. That means by MY definition death = 100%. Since victims can't fight back. You understanding yet. If they can fight back than they can run and get away. Where's that in the definition you love?
You wrote all those words but again you haven't written anything of any value.
Again, i backed up my point with evidence and hard facts, you backe up yours with your opinion and an ever changing definition that you made up yourself that has no basis in reality, in society and is used only by yourself.
The evidence agrees with me, i'm still waiting for your evidence backed counter point. all i've seen so far is your opinion, backed by your opinion.
@muchlove59 Its funny because you're words decrease the value of the definition of torture. I mean my opinion is mine because of how I've seen the world. I'm not going to blindly follow someone else's definition of something. What I disagree with is YOUR USE of the definition. I mean plastering on any situation you don't agree with. I've given you the fact that bullfighting can be label as abuse but torture? What idiot would believe that kind of nonsense? Oh those that have never been tortured
@muchlove59 The way I see your 'argument' is like this. "The definition of torture agrees with me though only about 80%. Despite abuse agreeing with me 100% I chose not to consider using it because torture sounds way worse. Since I know no one will try to contridict me because I'm quoting the dictionary I don't have to worry. All I have to do is pretend that their arguments have no 'proof' and maintain that what I'm saying is fact." Eerily similar don't you think?
For thos that don't know if I was being tortured I'd give anything to be have the chance to kill my torturer. But if I REALLY AM BEING TORTURED then that's impossible. Torture is something like burying a guy in the ground with only his head exposed near an fire ant hill. Then pouring honey over his face and leaving him there to die. That's torture. What's happening in bullfights is glorified hunting and that's it.
Water boarding, which i owned you with earlier isn't like what you describe as torture, but is still used today by the cia as a torture method, and the spanish inquisition i owned you with earleir as well. You keep changing the parameters to fit your ever changing ideas of what torture is.
You don't think it is torture, i think it is, and i have the weight of evidence backing up my stance.
@muchlove59 I explained that those were methods of torture yet I don't see it being performed on the BULL. Hmm, obvious torture that isn't being performed... What was my point again? Oh right. IT ISN'T FUCKING TORTURE in a BULLFIGHT. You seem to think that both are one in the same which down right stupid. I guran-damn-tee that if the SPANISH INQUISTION ALLOWED its VICTIMS to FIGHT than the DEATH TOLL wouldn't be as SEVERE. Do you understand something this simply? I guess not you'd need an IQ
it's good in a way that you stick to your guns, despite being horribly wrong. It's a trait i do admire, although i will still mock you for lying and the other retarded things you say.
The bull before the show is laden with bags to tire it out days before hand, then run around til exhausted and then stabbed and stabbed and stabbed until it collapeses, bleeding, scared, terrified and then executed by some pompous little twat.
The matador and his gang torture it to death for fun.
@muchlove59 What nonsense are you talking about? I've been to a bullfight and nothing like that took place. How do I know? Simply because the bull almost killed someone who only opened the gates to the arena. And as for the stabbing (do I really need to comment on this). NOTICE: the word 'stab' means to be within close distance to the bull. Close enough to eat its horns if you're not careful. Its not being shot at a distance. People are risking their lives to kill this animal.
@muchlove59 You also like to stick to your guns but most lunatics do that anyway. I don't know what fantasy world you live in but those that eat meat kill the animal to get it. Here is just a glorified way of killing it that's all. Whether in the ring or a slaughter house the animal is going to die. Why not give it the chance to kill a few people before that? Oh no that's torture right? Wait a minute... Does that sound right to you? Cause it doesn't sound right to me. It sounds stupid.
@muchlove59 I've never given up or given in to the stupidity. Just like Luke Wilson in Idicrocy I refuse to submit to the retarded 'explainations' you've been giving. By the way I've noticed that you haven't answered my 'the bull is the torturer' comeback using YOUR OWN LOGIC. I mean if we used your logic EVERYTHING can be CONSIDERED TORTURE BUT ACTUAL TORTURE.
The irony of talking about stupidity and then spelling explanations as explainations is simply beautiful.
I retorted your extremely weak the bull is torturing thesis already, what you said made no sense at all. It was a feeble attempt at best. In your opinion, it isn't torture. In my opinion, backed up with multiple sources, it is torture. Simple as that really.
The definitions agree with me, i await an evidence based counter argument (still)
@muchlove59 Funny because your 'torturing theory' makes the same amount of sense which was the ENTIRE POINT. I'm sorry that the subtle hints go over your head so easily but try to make an effort to understand that the 'arguments' are the same. Just twisting the word and its meaning to apply to the situation. Haven't you figured that out yet. I mean its so obvious. If you say, 'the definitions agree with me' then so can I. Both are just ridiculous.
Making a statement and backing it up with multiple sources and evidence is academic.
Just saying something is wrong because you disagree, with no evidence, no sources and stating that you ignore all definitions and use your own.....now that is pretty much the very definition of dumb.
@muchlove59 But isn't that EXACTLY what you're doing? I mean you disagree with bull fighting (check). You don't have any evidence that torture is taking place ( because matadors wouldn't get gored if that WERE THE CASE) (check again). You don't have any sources and use the textbook definition of torture wrongly (DOUBLE CHECK). So that means by YOU'RE OWN DEFINITION YOU ARE DUMB. That's incredible. I've never seen such denial in my life. Nice one.
Now i'm all for abit of verbal jousting but you want me to believe that i'm dumber than you after you stated that you ignore English words and there correct meaning and instead use your own variety, not unlike a schizophrenic does depending on his or her mood?
@muchlove59 You've misused the words in the dictionary for far too long. I'm lower myself to your level so you can taste the idiocy you present me everytime. I mean come on it's like were twins. Only after lowering myself mind you but identical in every way. How sad you still don't realize that.
@muchlove59 Not 'slow' you mean 'down' as in the internet connection at my friend's house. Sorry but after the connection failed I needed to get ready for a previous engagement. I visited a mutual friend in San Antonio to meet his son. Don't get too full of yourself now.
@muchlove59 You've yet to make any argument and yet you've blown mine out of the water, Riiiiiiight? What world are you living in. I mean come on you've haven't won a single argument yet.
@muchlove59 Yeah and I've still got more posts than you do. What does that tell you? That while you're posting I've already posted an posted a second time. Keep up already.
Me:Shows proof from multiple sources, including the oxford dictionary
You.Hey that doesn't count because it shows me as being hilariously in the wrong.
I made a statement and backed it up with evidence. you made a statement and backed it up with nothing at all.Academically you got owned in the face.
Again, as you seem to be hilariously thick, my statement is backed up by the Oxford dictionary, please prove your concrete fact based counter argument 8)
@muchlove59 Good you know what torture means (hopefully) now explain how it applies to bull fighting. And remember that bulls have GORED matadors before so if you talking about a case by case basis than stop while you're ahead. Now let's see how you apply the definition of torture (that you supposedly 'know') because I can make up applications to. The bull is 'torturing' the matador because it isn't dying quick enough. The guy is getting exhausted. How does your reasoning sound.
@muchlove59 Here's some more of YOUR REASONING. FoxNews is torturing its viewers with bias and intolerence towards anyone with a different opinion. Would you look at that? I can throw "torture" in an argument just like you. And since its in the dicitionary it must be right? I've used the word just like you have. Does it sound right to you? Think on it and get back to me. Then show me your evidence and I'll show you mine.
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Awesome seeing them get stomped into dust.
muchlove59 8 months ago
Looks like the kid has given up.
No point continuing this debate as your mind takes weeks at a time to think of a reply, certainly aren't any busier than i am and i find it easy to spare a few minutes to do it.
Another time, another debate kid, don't lie so much and maybe, just maybe you'll prevail one day.
muchlove59 9 months ago
You just said "You SOUND like a PETA asshole you dumbass. That's the only reason I've mentioned them"
Whereas on my profile, you said "I see you're a member of my hated enemy PETA. It's idiots like you that make the world miserable".
You're such a fucking moron you can't even keep up with your own lies, hahahaha. This sums up the entire conversation really, you just make shit up as you go along, lie and then get hilariously caught out.
This is too easy, heh
muchlove59 9 months ago
I think it is now clear that you are a troll.
No one can be as dumb as you and not mean it, surely.
Your grammar is awful.
You change the defintion seemingly ever other post.
You provide no hard evidence.
You mumble about magical skymen.
You rant about PETA, which has nothing to do with anything.
You hilariously misunderstand your own sources.
You compare stubbed toes to being hunted til exhaustion, speared and stabbed to death and then executesd (lolbtw)
You set the bar on stupid, well done
muchlove59 10 months ago
@muchlove59 And you've exceeded that bar with that post. What did I change my definition too? What about my grammar is awful? What did I 'misunderstand"? I mentioned God once and that was a while ago. Why? Because I thought you'd relate to at least that. You SOUND like a PETA asshole you dumbass. That's the only reason I've mentioned them. Answer these questions then I won't think you're SERIOUSLY RETARDED. I mean seriously where did you pull this out of your ass?
crimsonph34r 9 months ago
What i should have said is that it isn't that hard to provide an evidence based counter point if your argument has a leg to stand on.
muchlove59 10 months ago
@muchlove59 My argument has both it 'strong legs' while yours are looking a bit wobbly. I've proven my point on more than enough grounds you just refuse to listen. Well I refuse to believe the dictionary sides with you. I want you to PROVE it does. Give some logic and reasonable evidence that even I can't refute. Then I'll agree with you. And no, 'the definition itself is my proof' won't work. Give me actual reasons that it does. Lets see how it goes.
crimsonph34r 10 months ago
@crimsonph34r
And there you have it folks.
7 posts, hundreds of words after having months and months and he STILL can't put together anything vaguely representing an argument.
I've explained my position in GREAT detail, backed up by multiple sources, multiple definitions and explained in detail why each is valid, video evidence and online references.
Also, where are you getting this PETA stuff, it doesn't say ANYWHERE i'm a member like you keep ranting about, did you run out of meds again?
muchlove59 10 months ago
@muchlove59 "GREAT detail"? What detail? All you've said is 'the definition agrees with me'. That retarded argument doesn't back up shit. I've proved how that doesn't fly with me. You didn't explain anything about HOW the 'definition' supports you. YOU just SAID it did. I see no video evidence or online references. Are you delusional or something? You position in my eyes is falling apart yet you seem to think its 'fool proof'. When did that happen? Never that's when.
crimsonph34r 9 months ago
@muchlove59 And the funny thing about using 7 posts I've actually explained IN MY OWN WORDS my position and what I thought of yours. You on the other can't. Why? Because you don't have your own words. You just blindly rely on the defintion and pray that I won't challenge you. Then when I do you insult and try to berate me for doing so. What the fuck kind of argument is that? EXPLAIN how the definition 'SUPPORTS' you then we can talk. You still haven't. Avoiding it are you?
crimsonph34r 9 months ago
@muchlove59 Words are an effective tool. But when they're not your own then that means you don't fully understand what you're saying. If I just took you at you're word than I'd be an idiot for believing an idiot. So I've come up with a solution. Tell me in what way does the 'definition' of torture support you. Give me reasons because all you've done is say 'it just does'. That's not an answer. Give me proof. Pretend I'm just as stupid as you and explain it to me.
crimsonph34r 9 months ago
@crimsonph34r
It's pretty clear you don't have to pretend to be stupid. Your failure to provide anything vaguely resembling an argument over several months, thousands of words and hundreds of posts lends weight to that theory.
I've backed up my stance, it's your turn to provide some evidence to back up your own, if you can 8)
muchlove59 9 months ago
@crimsonph34r
Why you hide for so long, was it something i said 8'(
muchlove59 9 months ago
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muchlove59 8 months ago
It is this simple.
Provide and evidence based counter point.
No theory, dithering, rambling, mumbling, digressing, hpothesising, ranting, raging, invisible magical men, geneolgy, psychotic pedophiles, terrorists or stubbed toes.
Just provide an evidence based counter point. That simple. It cannot be dumbed down any further, it is as simple as it can possibly be.
Provide EVIDENCE, back up your stance with FACTS. Provide an evidence based counter point.
It's not that hard!
muchlove59 10 months ago
Provide some ACTUAL proof, evidence or sources backing up your position. It's really that simple, i can't dumb it down anymore for you.
I've told you multiple ways you could debate and back up your position, i don't know how to simplify it for you anymore than it is.
Make statement, provide evidence backing up statement. That's the basis of most debates and research.
Hypothesis is fine and good, but without EVIDENCE, it is meaningless.
muchlove59 10 months ago
@muchlove59 Like I've said my common sense is enough to shatter your 'truth'. Its like you using a wagon with square wheels are say "That's how every wheel is its in the dictionary blah blah blah." And there I am with my common sense, "You know if the wheels were round you wouldn't have much trouble." Then you stubbornly go, "Show me some evidence because the dictionary say this and that." To which I respond, "Why do I require evidence it should be obvious if you think about it."
crimsonph34r 10 months ago
@muchlove59 History is my evidence. You know how royalty used to do whatever they wanted with its citizens. And that was the law. It was in the 'dictionary'. Did that mean it was right? NO OF COURSE NOT. That's why there was uprisings then the 'dictionary' changed didn't it? Using this same logic and common sense I refuse to believe in your 'so called facts'. Why? Because they're stupid nothing more nothing less. What you need is evidence as to WHY the dictionary 'supports' you.
crimsonph34r 10 months ago
I don't know how you do it.
7 posts and nothing but dribble. Literally no content of any use at all. Now you're trying to redefine intelligence, which is btw:
ntelligence has been defined in different ways, including the abilities for abstract thought, understanding, communication, reasoning, learning, planning, emotional intelligence and problem solving.
Considering you can't even make an evidence based counter point........lol.
muchlove59 10 months ago
@muchlove59 You're every post is nothing but dribble. You might as well stand on a pedestal and shout your 'gospel of truth' like all the other lunatics. I've destroyed you 'content' and 'truth' time and again yet you seem spout the same pig vomit like its the truth. All you've done is quote the dictionary wrongly. All I've done is try to correct you with common sense. Which one of has no evidence again? That would be you. You say it backs you up but does it really. I don't think so.
crimsonph34r 10 months ago
You're the slowest debater i have ever known on here, who takes a week to spend 1 minute to post, i mean really.
muchlove59 10 months ago
@muchlove59 I'm sorry my life doesn't revolve around you but you see I'm what you call a BUSY PERSON. If you want to get owned that badly then calmly wait for me to get back to you. I've got other things to do.
crimsonph34r 10 months ago
And the fact that torture can be psychological and totally unrelated to physiological pain also totally dismisses your rant about it meaning torture = you cannot move.
If i caught my cock in my zipper, it would be torture getting it out, but hey, i can still move.
You need to back up your stance with more than just your own opinion, i've explained multiple times how you should approach this but instead you mumble about terrorists
You've had months and still no evidence to back you up, lol
muchlove59 10 months ago
@muchlove59 In cell = can't move. I've proven my opinion yet again. Common sense dictates that seeing is believing. I believe you've again equated general pain to torture to prove you can move during 'torture'. Riiight. You're argument is sounding more and more retarded by the week. I just don't want to get an aneurism reading you stupid posts. I actually have to prepare myself for the stupidity you unleash.
crimsonph34r 10 months ago
Let break it down even more for you, as imple things seem to be really hard for you to understand.
There is a wealth of video evidence backing my description of what happens to the bull, on youtube alone.
There are multiple sources that agree with my opinion, clearly, including the reference for the English language.
So i have video evidence and i have an extremely strong reference to back my stance up.
You have an opinion and an ever changing self made defintion.
Not even close 8)
muchlove59 10 months ago
@muchlove59 Funny thing is that IF torture really was posted on YouTube than it would be quickly removed. SO the fact that they're still there means... come on say it... NOT FUCKING TORTURE. See was that so hard to understand. I mean an elementary school kid could have figured that out. You know the censoring thing. How much of a dumbass are you? You're 'evidence' doesn't back up shit.
crimsonph34r 10 months ago
@muchlove59 As for your facts and 'extremely strong reference' I can easily destroy that. Did 'Catcher in the Rye' make you do it? Did the words speak to you telling you to be a total jack ass. Do you get my reference? YES people can go anywhere and find meaning in anything they want. You simply chose the dictionary. Why? Because you aren't creative enough to actually look for it anywhere else. Stop being a retard and read what the INQUISITION did and compare it to bull fighting.
crimsonph34r 10 months ago
QUOTE FROM YOU:
Also I notice that you never answered all my previous comments that easily owned you a 100 times over. Like your little 'explaining' torture with videos to people and what not
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I literally have no idea what you're talking about here, are you sure you're seeing things in the real world and not having another hallucination as i have no idea what you're talking about.
muchlove59 10 months ago
@muchlove59 You started your quote with: Pretend we were doing academic work which is going to be peer reviewed etc.
I write a detailed explanation fo the cruelty put upon the animal..." I answered that and thoroughly owned you. Was the owning so bad that you wish to forget about it completely. Sorry I guess I'll have to be gentler with you. I didn't know your mind was that 'fragile'. It should be on the 3rd page when you said. About 4 days ago I think.
crimsonph34r 10 months ago
Simply mumbling that you're right doesn't prove anything at all other than you THINK you're right.
My argument has key elements yes, so it should be extremely easy to prove me wrong with facts and evidence. Theorising is all well and good but in an evidence based factual discussion, opinions are like assholes.
If the question was about bullfighting, i have not been to Spain to see the events live, but i have seen hundeds of documented bull fights.
Plenty of research available.
muchlove59 10 months ago
@muchlove59 Simply saying 'the dictionary says so' doesn't prove anything either. Your 'key elements' are in your messed up head. You know like how terrorists believe to be right because their holy texts say something akin to 'killing God's enemy = 72 virgins in heaven". I look and decide based on what I believe and this is not torture. Abuse definately. Torture impossible. You've got your facts wrong yet you can't seem to see that. Ignorance is bliss?
crimsonph34r 10 months ago
Heres a tip for the dumb, if you disagree with me, analyse why i'm wrong.
Say that the animal doesn't go through agonising pain, isn't scared or explain why it's happy and joyous to be ganged up on, speared, stabbed and executed, all the while with a smile on it's face and explain why none of this constitutes great physical or mental suffering, which is the corner stone to my argument.
Prove that it's happy and enjoys it, piss taking aside actually present an argument!
muchlove59 10 months ago
@muchlove59 ANIMAL CAN MOVE = NOT TORTURE. ANIMAL SUFFERS = ABUSE. Is that enough for you or is it still too hard? If the animal is scared than why doesn't it RUN AWAY. It has that ability but obviously not the intelligence. That's why throwing in 'torture' is the retarded part of your argument. Now an example to prove my OPINION: Is a zebra happy and enjoys being surrounded by lions that eat it? Is that also torture? Or is it FUCKING NATURE? Think hard on that.
crimsonph34r 10 months ago
@muchlove59 ANIMAL CAN MOVE = NOT TORTURE. ANIMAL SUFFERS = ABUSE. Is that enough for you or is it still too hard? If the animal is scared than why doesn't it RUN AWAY. It has that ability but obviously not the intelligence. That's why throwing in 'torture' is the retarded part of your argument. Now an example to prove my OPINION: Is a zebra happy and enjoys being surrounded by lions that eat it? Is that also torture? Or is it FUCKING NATURE? Think hard on that.
crimsonph34r 10 months ago
I love owning you so much, i really do.
If you had anything approaching a leg to stand on this would be a challenging debate but you just get stomped at every turn, it's hilarious.
I present facts, you present opinion. Facts > opinion.
example, as you are clearly a mouth breather.
Me: I think cheese tastes like cheese, i present my opinion and evidence to back it up.
You: I think cheese tastes of carpet, i present my opinion and, um, well, we, you see, um.
I'm still waiting 8)
muchlove59 10 months ago
@muchlove59 YOU: Because its cheese than it has to taste like cheese. It says so in the dictionary.
ME: If its covered in mud than it'll taste like mud even though its cheese. My opinion because thats what the situation tells me.
YOU: That's stupid because the dictionary says that cheese tastes like cheese. FACT > OPINION (Ridiculous).
ME: Than what happens if you pour lots of salt on the cheese. Will it still taste like cheese.
YOU: That rigtht because the dictionary says so.
crimsonph34r 10 months ago
Oxford dictionary:
great physical or mental suffering.
The animal is loaded with heavy bags and pre exhausted before event, then slowly worn down whislt speared in various organs, slowly bleeding to death. Eventually, totally exhausted and bleeding to death, the matador stabs it in the nerve budle, sending it crashing to the floor and then executes it. Rarely works first time so has to stab again and again in the skull.
In your mind, that great isn't physical or mental suffering?
Lol
muchlove59 10 months ago
I've literally been laughing and smiling for the last few hours.
As if you have run away from a debate, that's hilarious.
muchlove59 10 months ago
@muchlove59 Running away from a debate is one thing but what I did was avoid colliding into a brick wall (you). You show nothing in this debate and stick to your wrong OPINION just because a dictionary can be read by an idiot (again you). That's why the south lost and you will too. Did you really think I'd run from someone whose so totally wrong. That's like letting the terrorists win (you). I'll correct your misguided and retarded views if its the last thing I'll do.
crimsonph34r 10 months ago
Oxford dictionary:
great physical or mental suffering.
The animal is loaded with heavy bags and pre exhausted before event, then slowly worn down whislt speared in various organs, slowly bleeding to death. Eventually, totally exhausted and bleeding to death, the matador stabs it in the nerve budle, sending it crashing to the floor and then executes it. Rarely works first time so has to stab again and again in the skull.
In your mind, that great isn't physical or mental suffering?
Lol
muchlove59 10 months ago
If there anyone out there whose actually willing to DISCUSS or DEBATE about this issue than you're welcomed to talk. I've grown tired of trying to talk to a 'wall' that doesn't listen. I'm not that hard headed and if you've got reasonabe points to make them I'm all ears.
crimsonph34r 10 months ago
@crimsonph34r
mmmmmmm, this was my sweetest victory yet.
Merely beating your opponent with cold hard facts is one thing, utterly anhiliating them and their lies to the point where they run away is another thing altogether.
I've enjoyed our time together, haven't debated with someone quite as retarded as you before but it was an experience, made all the sweeter as you now must run away and hide in shame.
Nice try all in all but facts > opinions 8'(
Good day, sweet crimsonqueer
muchlove59 10 months ago
@muchlove59 I see that you still don't get how wrong you are. I mean how stupid can one guy get. If most people are like you than slavery would still be legal today. Though you claim to be the victor I see it as nothing more than winning the special olympics but comparing you to them would be offense to them. I neither ran nor hid from you and your 'so called' facts. Here's some homework read the definition of abuse than get back to me. I'm back and ready for action
crimsonph34r 10 months ago
@muchlove59 Also I notice that you never answered all my previous comments that easily owned you a 100 times over. Like your little 'explaining' torture with videos to people and what not. Did I own you that badly that you just refused to comment about it. I owned you so thoroughly that I thought there wasn't a need to continue then I felt guilty because it felt like I just beat up a retard. I held my pride in check and PRETENDED to leave the issue to see how you'd react. YOU FAIL.
crimsonph34r 10 months ago
@crimsonph34r
I think it says alot when someones fragile mind sees someone who is a community responder, saving lives is a terrorist. I mean i ridicule you for the lying, the jesus talk, not having a clue of anything you're talking about AT ALL, changing your definitions in every post, mumbling about drugs and now your super secret winning technique is to return with no facts or an evidence based coutner argument \o/
You've had months and still you present just your own opinion, lol
muchlove59 10 months ago
@muchlove59 My own opinion is all I need because like I've said countless times I actually LIVE IN THE REAL FUCKING WORLD. I'm sure terrorist were kind people too before they also started misinterpreting their religion to suit their needs. I tried every possible venue that you might possibly understand yet you still remain stupid. I also maintained that torture = VICTIM NOT BEING ABLE TO MOVE. Was that hard to remember? I believe that was why I thought your argument was bullshit.
crimsonph34r 10 months ago
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@muchlove59 My own opinion is all I need because like I've said countless times I actually LIVE IN THE REAL FUCKING WORLD. I'm sure terrorist were kind people too before they also started misinterpreting their religion to suit their needs. I tried every possible venue that you might possibly understand yet you still remain stupid. I also maintained that torture = VICTIM NOT BEING ABLE TO MOVE. Was that hard to remember? I believe that was why I thought your argument was bullshit.
crimsonph34r 10 months ago
@muchlove59 Also about my 'winning' technique was meant to see how you'd react as a man. If you should some humility and say didn't act like a total douche than maybe we'd reach an agreement. Yet you in your infinite arrogance actually thought it was your 'sweetest victory yet' proving to me and all watching what a total asshole you can be. You save lives huh? Remember to get the next community responder to save me because letting you do it would make me feel dirty. Since you aren't human.
crimsonph34r 10 months ago
@muchlove59 I'll give you an example as to why you aren't human. I gave the reason about 'What about children who suffer?' Instead of answering with 'that's a problem too but that shouldn't draw any less attention to this issue." you instead answered with, "what children have to do with it. Stop changing the subject. Where's evidence blah blah blah..." Now it seems to me you don't care how much children suffer so long as bulls don't. Well FUCK YOU. I care more about children than bulls.
crimsonph34r 10 months ago
@muchlove59 The funniest thing is that my opinion is still more logically than your 'so called' facts. Its hilarious actually. Why? Because you say that its torture and I prove that its not without even having to look for facts. I can rationize it with COMMON FUCKING SENSE. I guess some people don't have it(YOU). So I'll explain it as many times as I need to before the broken light in your head clicks. Ive got my work cut out for me.
crimsonph34r 10 months ago
@crimsonph34r
Correct English would have been "my opinion is more logical", not logically than yours. Which is kinda funny considering you're trying to make out that you're intelligent and all that.
You stating that opinion > facts is hilarious.
It's not rocket science but you STILL haven't given anything resembling an evidence based counter point. Just a mumbling, semi lucid opinion.
Not one single definition of torture says anything about being unable to move, not one.
muchlove59 10 months ago
@muchlove59 Fine let me correct myself... MY opinion > YOUR facts. I'm so sorry for the confusion but I thought you'd figure out that I was attacking what you call 'facts' again I overestimated you. You're evidence dissolves oh so easily yet you want my evidence? Have solid evidence if you wish to make a point. For now common sense is all I need. You don't have that but keep trying.
crimsonph34r 10 months ago
@muchlove59 By the way I meant to type "my opinion is more logically sound" but I typed a bit too fast and skipped the word sound. Considering that your grammar and mispelled words are actually quite consistent compared to my once in a blue moon misstep. How petty you've grown but I won't hold it against you little guy. Look for my mistake. ""LO1"" I wonder where my mistake is? Why don't you tell me? You seem to want a challenge. Come on look real hard now.
crimsonph34r 10 months ago
@crimsonph34r
Another example of why you're so hilariously wrong, google search:
A young boy escaped a life of torture Monday after running into In-Shape Sports Club in Tracy, California. The 17-year-old was the size of a ten-year-old and had a chain locked on his ankle.
He was being tortured and escaped, something you said is impossible? This btw was from a cursory glance and it debunks your impossible to escape torture claim.
So i provide a counter point, and you provide.....nothing 8)
muchlove59 10 months ago
@muchlove59 Was he being tortured the moment he escaped? If he was than how did he get away? Why didn't his torturers just capture him if he was the siz of a 'ten-year-old'? I find that you're counter point is what's the word... oh yeah TOTALLY FUCKING STUPID. So if a bull escaped BEFORE it got to the arena than it still must have been tortured? That's your fucking logic (if you can call it that). You provide a RETARDED 'counter point' and I DESTROY it with COMMON FUCKING SENSE again.
crimsonph34r 10 months ago
@crimsonph34r
Several months, hundreds of posts, thousands of words and you still haven't made anything vagely resembling a coherant argument or evidence based counter point.
Every post of yours resembles something a drooling spastic would do if typing with his elbows, mumbling about terrorists and magical sky men. Although the spastic would at least attempt to debate and not just use his own vague, ever changing definitions between psychotic episodes.
There aren't enough lols in the world
muchlove59 10 months ago
@muchlove59 See the measure of a man with intelligence is his ability to explain something a variety of ways for the not so intelligent (YOU). I've constantly mentioned that torture= not being able to move while pain etc... yet you think I changed that definition. When did that happen? YOU brought up what you thought were tortures and I agreed with some. Obviously not bullfighting thought because that's stupid. You seriously need a reality check.
crimsonph34r 10 months ago
@crimsonph34r
Is it really THAT difficult to provide an evidence based, factual answer? You have had so long and you've done nothing but dither, rant and mumble about inane and totally irrelevant rubbish.
Btw i do the same, i type very fast and don't care to proof read, you're not important enough for me to bother. However, it was just funny to notice the huge grammatical fail after ranting about how intelligent you were. Irony and all that 8)
muchlove59 10 months ago
@muchlove59 Common sense is all I really need. It seems to be something you lack. I've provided enough examples to make even the dumbest PETA asshole realize that your argument is stupid and wrong. Yet you call it rubbish because I don't agree with you. Much like a child. When you explain something simple to them yet they STILL don't get it so you try DIFFERENT APPROACHES to make them understand. Yes I've been treating you like a child. Its really funny to me actually.
crimsonph34r 10 months ago
@muchlove59 I've noticed that you've misspelled so many things that it makes me feel like you're testing me. I think 'There's no way he's THAT stupid, is he?' I've given you the benefit of the doubt but you suddenly attack my grammar for what reason. Let's see grammar < my point getting across. You look even more childish than before. "Look my words look prettier than yours do. Nya nya nya nya." Is literally what you sound like? Where's the intelligence in that?
crimsonph34r 10 months ago
The fact that you compared being speared in the organs, stabbed in the spine and having your skull pierced in the final execution to stubbing your toe is THE dumbest thing i've heard and sums up this whole argument really.
You have NOTHING on your side except your own opinion and your fragile state of mind. I know a schizophrenic who makes more sense than you, which is kinda funny but sad at the same time.
muchlove59 10 months ago
@muchlove59 Trying to follow YOUR logic. Pain is abundant everywhere why worry about an animal's when humans are suffering just as much. I've got the logic I acquired in the real world. You have nothing more than a pervesion of a definition and your pathetic ideology. I've tried explaining to you time and time again that you little view with the 'spearing of organs' and that nonsense is only half the story. What about when the matador gets gored? Where on Earth can an 'executioner' get killed
crimsonph34r 10 months ago
Oxford dictionary:
great physical or mental suffering.
The animal is loaded with heavy bags and pre exhausted before event, then slowly worn down whislt speared in various organs, slowly bleeding to death. Eventually, totally exhausted and bleeding to death, the matador stabs it in the nerve budle, sending it crashing to the floor and then executes it. Rarely works first time so has to stab again and again in the skull.
In your mind, that great isn't physical or mental suffering?
Lol
muchlove59 10 months ago
@muchlove59 I've seen an actually bull fight and none of that took place. Want to know how I know? Because the bull gored one of the handlers before even stepping into the ring. The poor guy was only opening the gate on the truck that held the bull too. Nice job making it appear worse than it is. I don't believe you though. Because like I've said I've seen it with my own eyes. Have you? Tell me you have. Be a hypocrite. If not than shut up with the FALSE RUMORS.
crimsonph34r 10 months ago
Then you come along, start mumbling about drugs, geneology, stubbed toes, stem cells research, invisible magic men, changing the definition of your own subject at every turn, misunderstanding your own quotes, calling the bull a terrorist (lol btw) and then you reference yourself. Your evidence is backed up by your own opinion, which, academically is utterly worthless.
You'd be laughed out of the room.
I present facts, you present opinion. Simple as that.
Crimsonqueer, hahaha 8)
muchlove59 10 months ago
@muchlove59 You're opinion(like I've stated before) is nothing more than a perversion of the definition of torture. The reason I've had to jump around in my explanation is either 1) you're too hard headed to listen so I change my approach to something you might understand. 2) you're too stupid to understand and I'm wasting my time trying to elaborate for you. And slave owners would have 'laughed me out the room' if I told them slavery is wrong before the Civil War. Yeah I'm so hurt being right
crimsonph34r 10 months ago
Pretend we were doing academic work which is going to be peer reviewed etc.
I write a detailed explanation fo the cruelty put upon the animal in the days leading up to the event, the pain, slow bleeding to death andf then execution etc, all in the name of fun and the reference multiple sources, the dictionary for our language with the citation etc and all the other evidence i had shown.
muchlove59 10 months ago
@muchlove59 I write that the animal has the same chances of killing the 'executioner' as it does of dying. I show video after video of different matadors getting gored 'in the name of fun'. I explain that this is a dangerous job and that like many dangerous jobs they can die. I show the difference between what you say and how it was meant to be read. I show examples of historical tortures and compare. I bring up the one consistant element. The victim can not move. I own you plain and simple
crimsonph34r 10 months ago
@muchlove59 Since I've realized you're just a lost cause I've decided to give up on you. Don't take this as running away. I just realized that continuing to debate with you will only soil the good discussions I've had with those of gifted intelligence. It would make me take back some of the clear points I've made with them. I won't let a random idiot destroy that. I've decided to just walk away. Go ahead an 'suicide bomb' whatever you want. I knew changing a terrorist is impossible.
crimsonph34r 10 months ago
Oh, and water boarding doesn't inflict pain, it inflicts panic and terror.
Which means, that this extremely popular and well known torture method has blown your stupid idea of what torture is out of the water. And again, you make no explanation of mental torture, which again blows your stupid ideas out of the water, hilariously so.
You're getting pretty badly beten here dude, may be an idea to come up with an evidence based counter point lest you sound as dumb as you clearly are.
muchlove59 10 months ago
@muchlove59 What was it that was said about physical and MENTAL suffering again. I've agreed that water boarding is torture you idiot. Why? Because the victim can't MOVE while water is being poured on him. Thanks for proving soo many of my points other than you're retarded. It's torture because they can't move. How's it feel to be beaten with your own words. I mean you seem to understand what REAL torture is yet I don't see the bull being water boarded now do I? Dumbass.
crimsonph34r 10 months ago
Dam hangover, lol
muchlove59 10 months ago
@muchlove59 That would explain so much. I mean your argument does sound like a lot of drunken ranting to begin with. I should have seen it before. Why on Earth was I trying to talk sense to a drunk? Man I feel silly now. Sober up so you can understand how you're very wrong. Don't worry I won't hold it against you. I've seen some 'out there' drunken behaviour. I won't judge you for it.
crimsonph34r 10 months ago
Academically, which matters when you have hig brow descussions, you have been anhiliated. I've provided multiple sources, hard facts that very clearly agree with my perspective.
You have provided your own made up opinion, backed up by your own opinion and an ever changing , narrow view of what you define as your opinion.
You're basically saying that the English language is wrong and that you're right, i would point and laugh at you crimsonqueer but i feel more and more sorry for you 8'(
muchlove59 10 months ago
@muchlove59 Like I've said before you're argument is the same one the terrorists use to justify suicide bombing and killing Americans. "Our religion's holy book says that if we kill American we'll get 72 virgins in heaven." You misinterpret the definition to suit your needs. Its like saying, "Its causing some FORM of SUFFERING than it must be torture." Than what is abuse? If everything that causes suffering is torture than where does abuse fit in? See how your argument falls apart so easily
crimsonph34r 10 months ago
Lol @ crimsonqueer btw
muchlove59 10 months ago
@muchlove59 Lol @ muchgaylove59 btw
crimsonph34r 10 months ago
@crimsonph34r
Crimsonqueer, lollers.
Again, you come up with loads of 'words' with no content at all. I produce a crystal clear explanation, with examples and definitions and you produce your opinion, and start mumbling about terrorists.
You've been absolutely destyroyed and keep changing your own definitions at a hilarious pace.
I'm STILL waiting for your evidence based counter point. You've had weeks/months and still nothing of any worth at all, just your own opinion.
muchlove59 10 months ago
@muchlove59 I've never changed my definition. Torture = victim CAN'T move while pain is being inflected. Just because it isn't written in when it should have you seem to think I'm wrong. I've only changed how to explain this definition to the densest of skulls (YOURS). See I'm still waiting on evidence to show that its torture and not just abuse which by the way I've acknowledged. You know if you were smart than you'd realize that just by stepping back there would be a way to own me. Too bad.
crimsonph34r 10 months ago
@muchlove59 Let me tell you. If you'd agree to drop the ridiculous notion that its torture than I'd have to recognize that the animal is being abused. And then I'd have to bring up the fact that to some this is the quickest and most dangerous way of making money. I'd submit that if jobs were ready for them then I'd agree to acknowledge that it should be stopped. Those way smarter than you discussed this with me in length and we came to an understanding. You fail to understand its that simple
crimsonph34r 10 months ago
I've never met someone who writes so many words with so little content, it's a paradox.
muchlove59 10 months ago
@muchlove59 Yeah I know the filling. You talk about torture like you really have been tortured but that an obvious lie. Its like how doctors say, " Oh I know everything about PTSS because I read it in an article." "Oh than did you experience it firsthand?" "Hell no but if I read it than that means I know everything about it, rigth?" Who looks like a dumbass without any content? You're argument is "I read the definition". Riiiiight. That's means jack shit.
crimsonph34r 10 months ago
Oh and lol @ you getting so butthurt about me calling you the crimsonqueer.
muchlove59 10 months ago
@muchlove59 Its just like how you deal with an idiotic hyper child. You show them that they can't win a battle of wills. And I will break you're will and expand your narrow-mindedness. You'll see. Besides if I let everything get to me than I'd be way too tense to argue anymore yet here I am. Did you really think that just because I answered back an insult that I'm 'butthurt'. Bitch please. I was in the Navy for God Sakes. I've heard it all. But that doesn't mean I'll just ake it either.
crimsonph34r 10 months ago
I do enjoy owning liars and morons, goodbye dear crimsonqueer. Next time you get into an argument, try not to lie so much and actually learn a little of what you're arguing about or you'll look as dumb as you do atm.
Heh, too easy
muchlove59 10 months ago
@muchlove59 How IRONIC considering that you're the biggest liar and dumbass here. You seem to think that you can 'attach' torture to just about anything. Oh no a cat just caught a bird and is about to eat it, that's TORTURE. Boo hoo hoo. Seriously that kind of faggotry should be keep to the hippies. By the way clever use of queer muchgaylove59. A five year old could do it. Try making some damn sense if you want to own me.
crimsonph34r 10 months ago
2500 character in 5 posts, and you still say absolutely nothing of any content or value other than your own opinion.
You're rambling about anything and everything, making no sense at all. You've been lying, changing the parameters of your own definitions, and then furiously back pedalling, mumbling about drugs, magic men, geneolgy and now gun control?
You don't think it is, i think it is and the weight of evidence agrees with me.
I'm still waiting for this evidence based counter argument
muchlove59 11 months ago
@muchlove59 I've explained what I view as torture and anything that doesn't remotely sound like it doesn't qualify in my eyes. Like I said the ONLY WAY for bullfighting to be torture is if the bull is tied down and can't defend itself. That's the CLEAR definition of TORTURE. Anything else is just out of context. You have nothing behind you as I made the SAME RIDICULOUS ARGUMENT on how the bull tortures the matador. There are videos where the bull jumps into the stands right? ESCAPING maybe
crimsonph34r 10 months ago
That episode is a good reference when Jack McCoy tried to prosecute a gun company for not making their guns 'tamper proof'. He won the case on the 'letter of the law' however the judge saw it for what it was: EMOTION GONE OUT OF CONTROL. He ruled against it and let the gun company off. Its a good lesson I believe since you seem to believe that anything written down is law. It's not as simply as that. It can be twisted to meet anyones needs (like you). Go case by case.
crimsonph34r 11 months ago
@crimsonph34r
Oh and stop lying, it never said anything about stess, it said and i quote:
a cause of great physical or mental suffering (source:oxford dictionary)
Nothing about stress, so stop lying through your teeth!
Also your ludacris notion of what torture is focuses purely on the physical, someone can feel mental torture because of an agonisingly tough decision and have nothing to do with captors or interrogation. You're mind is too limited to see just how hilariously wrong you are 8)
muchlove59 11 months ago
@muchlove59 Tell me when something is about to be KILLED is there ever a time when it DOESN'T SUFFER. Oh than LIONS must be TORTURING ZEBRAS before KILLING them. That's your ridiculous argument. It's going to die in a more exaggerated way than a slaughter house. Afterwards its still going to be eaten. The whole world doesn't eat fruits and vegetables you know. The way I see its just EXTREME 'PLAYING WITH YOUR FOOD'. That's all not torture.
crimsonph34r 10 months ago
I still wait your evidence based counter argument, been many many weeks now and nothing at all other than your own opinion.
I'm patient, i'm sure any moment now you're going to bring up hard facts and evidence that isn't just your own opinion to back up your claim and dismiss my claims.
Annnnny moment now 8)
muchlove59 11 months ago
@muchlove59 You seem to think that any form of pain can be called 'TORTURE' (a slight exaggeration of your WRONG beliefs but fitting). Example: "Ow, I stubbed my toe on the table. It's TORTURING ME. I've got stress from the pain and I might die." See how retarded that sounds yet you seem to think that its right because it vaguely coincedes with the definition. WRONG. PAIN does not equal TORTURE. TORTURE = TORTURE. Understand yet?
crimsonph34r 11 months ago
@muchlove59 I can't believe the nonsense you spout. I mean if that were true than the creators of the TELLETUBBIES or BARNEY should be put in jail for torturing the parents of AMERICA because their kids loved that crap. Yes mental stress = torture by your definition but where does it end? If you think this is torture than it will never end that's why I'm trying to correct you before that person really is for creating them.
crimsonph34r 11 months ago
@crimsonph34r
The gaps just get longer and longer don't they 8)
muchlove59 10 months ago
@muchlove59 Sorry if my grandfather's younger sister dying causes you to think you've won but attending the wake and funeral was obviously much more important. Though I've only met her several times as a child I still enjoyed her company. SO now that we've clarified that you're an asshole let's continue the 'debate' shall we?
crimsonph34r 10 months ago
@muchlove59 If your take on torture is true than I don't want to live in AMERICA anymore. Because if you do anything that causes anyone the slighest bit of discomfort or stress than its torture. YOUR OWN GOD DAMN WORDS. (TORTURE = MENTAL STESS) Isn't that a bit TOO LITERAL? Obviously not for you because the definition supports you right? In the famous words of a kick ass judge on LAW AND ORDER: "It's not about BEING right its about DOING right." You aren't DOING right . NOT EVEN BEING RIGHT.
crimsonph34r 11 months ago
@muchlove59 See the funny thing about torture is that all torture victims have the same circumstances in that THEY COULDN'T FUCKING FIGHT BACK. Think on that. Torture is torture BECAUSE the victim can't DO ANYTHING to the TORTURER. Can the BULL do SOMETHING to the MATADOR? What it can GORE HIM? Doesn't sound like TORTURE now does it? What was YOUR ARGUMENT AGAIN? Something stupid sounding I'm sure.
crimsonph34r 10 months ago
@crimsonph34r
The definition of torture from many different sources disagrees with you. You're hilariously wrong to the point that it's sad and i feel bad for you.
So torture is being tied down now is it, i do love how the definition changes with every post. So when someone suffers mental torture from a tough decision of enduring pain, they are tied down? Their brain is tied down?
Your opinion is just dumb. Mine is backed up by the Oxford dictionary.
I'm stiiiilllll waiting!!
muchlove59 10 months ago
@muchlove59 You want an example on how 'definitions' are subject to change. I seem to remember there was a time when the 'definition' of slavery had legal in it. Do you remember that? The president didn't seem to agree (much like how I don't agree with any LITERAL misinterpretation) to it. What happened afterwards? The definition changed to illegal and immoral. Hmm, are dictionaries always right? History says no.
crimsonph34r 10 months ago
@muchlove59 Because I know for a fact that not being able to FIGHT BACK is the central part of torture. You know that way we can know the difference between torture and abuse. Instead of being dumbasses that associate anything that cause pain (suffering) as 'torture'. You know I did a little experiment and check the words in Mic.Word's Thesaurus. They weren't the same despite having similar meanings. Bullfights are abuse at best. Try thinking with your brain for once.
crimsonph34r 10 months ago
@muchlove59 The way I see it torturing someone means to inflict as much pain as possible while keeping the victim alive. Think about it. What's the point of torturing? Usually to get information or for vengeance. You must know the phrase 'tortured to death', right? That means death by torture. That means by MY definition death = 100%. Since victims can't fight back. You understanding yet. If they can fight back than they can run and get away. Where's that in the definition you love?
crimsonph34r 10 months ago
@crimsonph34r
You wrote all those words but again you haven't written anything of any value.
Again, i backed up my point with evidence and hard facts, you backe up yours with your opinion and an ever changing definition that you made up yourself that has no basis in reality, in society and is used only by yourself.
The evidence agrees with me, i'm still waiting for your evidence backed counter point. all i've seen so far is your opinion, backed by your opinion.
muchlove59 10 months ago
@muchlove59 Its funny because you're words decrease the value of the definition of torture. I mean my opinion is mine because of how I've seen the world. I'm not going to blindly follow someone else's definition of something. What I disagree with is YOUR USE of the definition. I mean plastering on any situation you don't agree with. I've given you the fact that bullfighting can be label as abuse but torture? What idiot would believe that kind of nonsense? Oh those that have never been tortured
crimsonph34r 10 months ago
@muchlove59 The way I see your 'argument' is like this. "The definition of torture agrees with me though only about 80%. Despite abuse agreeing with me 100% I chose not to consider using it because torture sounds way worse. Since I know no one will try to contridict me because I'm quoting the dictionary I don't have to worry. All I have to do is pretend that their arguments have no 'proof' and maintain that what I'm saying is fact." Eerily similar don't you think?
crimsonph34r 10 months ago
For thos that don't know if I was being tortured I'd give anything to be have the chance to kill my torturer. But if I REALLY AM BEING TORTURED then that's impossible. Torture is something like burying a guy in the ground with only his head exposed near an fire ant hill. Then pouring honey over his face and leaving him there to die. That's torture. What's happening in bullfights is glorified hunting and that's it.
crimsonph34r 11 months ago
@crimsonph34r
Lots of opinion again, sigh.
Water boarding, which i owned you with earlier isn't like what you describe as torture, but is still used today by the cia as a torture method, and the spanish inquisition i owned you with earleir as well. You keep changing the parameters to fit your ever changing ideas of what torture is.
You don't think it is torture, i think it is, and i have the weight of evidence backing up my stance.
I feel too sorry for you to mock you now tbh.
muchlove59 11 months ago
@muchlove59 I explained that those were methods of torture yet I don't see it being performed on the BULL. Hmm, obvious torture that isn't being performed... What was my point again? Oh right. IT ISN'T FUCKING TORTURE in a BULLFIGHT. You seem to think that both are one in the same which down right stupid. I guran-damn-tee that if the SPANISH INQUISTION ALLOWED its VICTIMS to FIGHT than the DEATH TOLL wouldn't be as SEVERE. Do you understand something this simply? I guess not you'd need an IQ
crimsonph34r 11 months ago
it's good in a way that you stick to your guns, despite being horribly wrong. It's a trait i do admire, although i will still mock you for lying and the other retarded things you say.
The bull before the show is laden with bags to tire it out days before hand, then run around til exhausted and then stabbed and stabbed and stabbed until it collapeses, bleeding, scared, terrified and then executed by some pompous little twat.
The matador and his gang torture it to death for fun.
No comparison!
muchlove59 11 months ago
@muchlove59 What nonsense are you talking about? I've been to a bullfight and nothing like that took place. How do I know? Simply because the bull almost killed someone who only opened the gates to the arena. And as for the stabbing (do I really need to comment on this). NOTICE: the word 'stab' means to be within close distance to the bull. Close enough to eat its horns if you're not careful. Its not being shot at a distance. People are risking their lives to kill this animal.
crimsonph34r 11 months ago
@muchlove59 You also like to stick to your guns but most lunatics do that anyway. I don't know what fantasy world you live in but those that eat meat kill the animal to get it. Here is just a glorified way of killing it that's all. Whether in the ring or a slaughter house the animal is going to die. Why not give it the chance to kill a few people before that? Oh no that's torture right? Wait a minute... Does that sound right to you? Cause it doesn't sound right to me. It sounds stupid.
crimsonph34r 11 months ago
aaww he gave up. Poor little lamb
muchlove59 11 months ago
@muchlove59 I've never given up or given in to the stupidity. Just like Luke Wilson in Idicrocy I refuse to submit to the retarded 'explainations' you've been giving. By the way I've noticed that you haven't answered my 'the bull is the torturer' comeback using YOUR OWN LOGIC. I mean if we used your logic EVERYTHING can be CONSIDERED TORTURE BUT ACTUAL TORTURE.
crimsonph34r 11 months ago
@crimsonph34r
The irony of talking about stupidity and then spelling explanations as explainations is simply beautiful.
I retorted your extremely weak the bull is torturing thesis already, what you said made no sense at all. It was a feeble attempt at best. In your opinion, it isn't torture. In my opinion, backed up with multiple sources, it is torture. Simple as that really.
The definitions agree with me, i await an evidence based counter argument (still)
muchlove59 11 months ago
@muchlove59 Funny because your 'torturing theory' makes the same amount of sense which was the ENTIRE POINT. I'm sorry that the subtle hints go over your head so easily but try to make an effort to understand that the 'arguments' are the same. Just twisting the word and its meaning to apply to the situation. Haven't you figured that out yet. I mean its so obvious. If you say, 'the definitions agree with me' then so can I. Both are just ridiculous.
crimsonph34r 11 months ago
Dictionary backs me up, yeah that'll do nicely
muchlove59 11 months ago
@muchlove59 Yeah I can say that too. The matador is being tortured as well.
crimsonph34r 11 months ago
@crimsonph34r
Definitions disagree with you 8'(
muchlove59 11 months ago
@muchlove59 If they disagree with me than they disagree with you. Since we have the same argument.
crimsonph34r 11 months ago
@crimsonph34r
Our arguments aren't even in the same solar system, mines backed up, yours isn't at all in any wy shape or form. Horrible logic
muchlove59 11 months ago
I don't think you understand what dumb means.
Making a statement and backing it up with multiple sources and evidence is academic.
Just saying something is wrong because you disagree, with no evidence, no sources and stating that you ignore all definitions and use your own.....now that is pretty much the very definition of dumb.
muchlove59 11 months ago
@muchlove59 But isn't that EXACTLY what you're doing? I mean you disagree with bull fighting (check). You don't have any evidence that torture is taking place ( because matadors wouldn't get gored if that WERE THE CASE) (check again). You don't have any sources and use the textbook definition of torture wrongly (DOUBLE CHECK). So that means by YOU'RE OWN DEFINITION YOU ARE DUMB. That's incredible. I've never seen such denial in my life. Nice one.
crimsonph34r 11 months ago
@crimsonph34r
You made the definition of dumb, i merely pointed out that it was you that was filling the criteria.
muchlove59 11 months ago
@muchlove59 And yet you fill it out much better than I ever could have you noticed that?
crimsonph34r 11 months ago
@crimsonph34r
Now i'm all for abit of verbal jousting but you want me to believe that i'm dumber than you after you stated that you ignore English words and there correct meaning and instead use your own variety, not unlike a schizophrenic does depending on his or her mood?
Okay sure if that helps you 8)
muchlove59 11 months ago
@muchlove59 You've misused the words in the dictionary for far too long. I'm lower myself to your level so you can taste the idiocy you present me everytime. I mean come on it's like were twins. Only after lowering myself mind you but identical in every way. How sad you still don't realize that.
crimsonph34r 11 months ago
@crimsonph34r
It's not my fault you don't understand the correct useage of the english language 8)
muchlove59 11 months ago
@muchlove59 I use the same reasoning for you. Use the word 'torture' like it's suppose to.
crimsonph34r 11 months ago
@crimsonph34r
I did, maybe you should as well 8)
muchlove59 11 months ago
@muchlove59 Too bad that you've used it to describe something it isn't. I mean you haven't shown evidence to back it up that I haven't shot down.
crimsonph34r 11 months ago
@crimsonph34r I'm refreshing like crazy to see if you've got any more and still nothing. Hurry up slowpoke.
crimsonph34r 11 months ago
@crimsonph34r
You keep making yourself look dumb about posting AFTER i have already posted, pretty embaressing tbh
muchlove59 11 months ago
@muchlove59 Not so much because I can tell your old man fingers can't keep up. I've tried waiting but you're not matching my speed.
crimsonph34r 11 months ago
@crimsonph34r
lol, young uns today
muchlove59 11 months ago
@muchlove59 You geezers you
crimsonph34r 11 months ago
@crimsonph34r
terrible come back, really really bad
muchlove59 11 months ago
@muchlove59 I can't trash talk the elderly that's disrespectful
crimsonph34r 11 months ago
@crimsonph34r
Is that all you've got for smack talk? ahahaha, awesome
muchlove59 11 months ago
@crimsonph34r
Hurry up kid, god and you say i'm slow ^_^
muchlove59 11 months ago
@muchlove59 Not 'slow' you mean 'down' as in the internet connection at my friend's house. Sorry but after the connection failed I needed to get ready for a previous engagement. I visited a mutual friend in San Antonio to meet his son. Don't get too full of yourself now.
crimsonph34r 11 months ago
@crimsonph34r
I blown every argument you've had out of the water and backed my own up with hard evidence.
Maybe in your own, semil lucid mind you have but in the real world, sorry no
muchlove59 11 months ago
@muchlove59 You've yet to make any argument and yet you've blown mine out of the water, Riiiiiiight? What world are you living in. I mean come on you've haven't won a single argument yet.
crimsonph34r 11 months ago
@crimsonph34r
YOU haven't won a single point at all, which is why i've been so 'smug' 8)
muchlove59 11 months ago
@muchlove59 That's what I've been telling you yet you can't realize it at all.
crimsonph34r 11 months ago
@muchlove59 Come on you can't tell me that you're that slow a thinker. We're both on right now and you can't find any comebacks?
crimsonph34r 11 months ago
@crimsonph34r
Look at timestamps.
Realise how stupid you now look.
muchlove59 11 months ago
@muchlove59 I thought you were a 'fast thinker' so the timestamps mean jack shit.
crimsonph34r 11 months ago
@crimsonph34r
Tuimestamps mean that your post was pretty stupid as i had already posted, come on man keep up
muchlove59 11 months ago
@muchlove59 Yeah and I've still got more posts than you do. What does that tell you? That while you're posting I've already posted an posted a second time. Keep up already.
crimsonph34r 11 months ago
@muchlove59 I'm typing circles around you and you can't come up with anything other than 'timestamps'. Man you're slow.
crimsonph34r 11 months ago
You: The burden of proof is on you
Me:Shows proof from multiple sources, including the oxford dictionary
You.Hey that doesn't count because it shows me as being hilariously in the wrong.
I made a statement and backed it up with evidence. you made a statement and backed it up with nothing at all.Academically you got owned in the face.
Again, as you seem to be hilariously thick, my statement is backed up by the Oxford dictionary, please prove your concrete fact based counter argument 8)
muchlove59 11 months ago
@muchlove59 Good you know what torture means (hopefully) now explain how it applies to bull fighting. And remember that bulls have GORED matadors before so if you talking about a case by case basis than stop while you're ahead. Now let's see how you apply the definition of torture (that you supposedly 'know') because I can make up applications to. The bull is 'torturing' the matador because it isn't dying quick enough. The guy is getting exhausted. How does your reasoning sound.
crimsonph34r 11 months ago
@muchlove59 Here's some more of YOUR REASONING. FoxNews is torturing its viewers with bias and intolerence towards anyone with a different opinion. Would you look at that? I can throw "torture" in an argument just like you. And since its in the dicitionary it must be right? I've used the word just like you have. Does it sound right to you? Think on it and get back to me. Then show me your evidence and I'll show you mine.
crimsonph34r 11 months ago