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  • Please, try to make sure that there are no "disconnection"-cases this holiday, family is important.

  • thanks tory - I have been out scince the 1980's I knew people who were prepared to sacfrice everything to get to OT8 - So I now know that they were all ordered to re-do the level at their own expense - incredible

  • Hi all :) I'm still working on my new camera...we'll see what it ends up as. I should be making a new video soon. YT is SO much easier than a camcorder :)

    Love to all,

    Tory/Magoo

  • Hi all - Could someone explain what happened with OT8 - I have read various posts on the net that say all or some of these people were

    made to the level again - Is the church saying that there are no valid OT8 completions one way or another ? - What is the situation ? - Thanks .

  • Back in the '90's, DM came out with his "brilliant" "Golden Age of tech/"...crap. With that (and I was "in" then) we were ALL (OT 7 & 8's plus others) to re-do our OT levels, and PAY for it, too! That was *the* end, for me, at least with auditing. It took a few more years to totally connect ALL the dots and see what an utter con it ALL is.

    Hope that helps :)

    Tory/Magoo

  • re my 4 th point jomman17 - perhaps something similiar that is constitionally suitable - any ideas >

  • Hi - With regard to the first point in my previous post, We all know you get what you pay for - We need to clean this mess up and save lives and misery by motivating people to take action. We need to empower individuals to stand up to and survive the C of S - A cash reward system would speed up the exposure of the crimes of the C of S - also very importantly - the convictions of individuals would be used as evidence to support points 2,3 and 4 .

  • Hi All ! - I have been thinking again - What if Anonymous had a 4 point set of objectives:

    1.Raise money and transparently manage cash rewards that are given to the person or persons responsible for giving evidence that succeeds in the incarceration of criminal

    C of S execs etc ( 5 years min )

    2. Seek the end of the Cof S's tax exempt status.

    3.Seek the deregistration of the CofS as a religion.

    4. Seek the writing into federal law that it is illegal to form or run a cult.

  • I think the first three goals are realistic, but the last one is neither that nor in keeping with the spirit of the Constitution.

  • Not to sound pessimistic, but the first and fourth ones wouldn't really happen. Objective 1 would seem to be bribing people to tell the world their accounts of scientology's crimes rather than rewarding their courage, and the 4th one would be seen as an act against religious freedom. Perhaps if it were to make cults that are found to be detrimental to the health of the members illegal, then it might be possible.

    The other two have been objectives for Anonymous since the beginning.

  • thanks for your reply - I found a great article over at factnet re david miscavige and the ongoing tabulation of his and others crimes - it wont be long now ...

  • Hey hey Tory *big hugs*, as usual you are a ray of sunshine on an otherwise wet and miserable PNW day :)

    Rock on girl!  That is way cool to hear the word reaches so far south! Like that's 'World's End' so ta speak! WoW!

    May you and your's have a great holiday season and be warm, full of good munchies and love!

    Rock on Anons!

  • Hugs Sugar

  • Below comment addressed to skoek

  • Wow there's a LOT of Scions typing here trying to shut you up huh?

    hang in there Tory - it's the rain before the landslide...

    signed - one drop of rain.

  • sounds like alanis morrisette

  • throughsoul: The people I know (X-Scientologists) and critics, as well as many Anonymous, have no problem with what one believes. I speak out due to the abuses C of $ does: Breaking up families, fair game, fraud, medical abuses, and the stopping of free speech. Are those part of a religion? Not in my book, they're part of a CULT. Until Scientology stops harming others, I (and many others) will be out speaking about their very abuses.

    Prove me wrong...come talk, in person. :)

    Tory/Magoo

  • Tory: Thank you. Wow, The Tory Magoo, the queen SP herself! Allow me to begin with a genuine granting of beingness, sincerely.

    Secondly, I got all that, however my reply was specifically on the point of why is Scientology a Religion, short answer because the works of LRH (differentiate here) works, deal with the spirit, and for me that grants it religious status.

    As to the acts of a religion as criteria to being a religion, irrelevant; how many other religions have abused human rights?

  • Relyt22 - thank you for the reply. Its not easy to cover this in 500 characters, but very simply I hold it to be a religion b/c it deals with man as a spiritual being.

    I find it narrow to think that a religion is only one that is similar to Christianity and must have rituals and sacrifices or rites.

    Religions do not have to have worship. Buddhists do not "worship" Buddha; they revere him as an enlightened individual. Are they more of a religion because they meditate?

  • The below comment is a reply to Relyt22 on the question: Why is Scientology a Religion?

  • Now is the time to contact Kaiser Permanente Hospital in Hollywood and DEMAND they stop renting $cientologys parking on Sunset blvd...this is a BIG source income for the cult.The time to act is now!!

  • And the ARSCC is composed of who? From all I've ever known, it's a group of people who began and are mostly known on ARS (the original newsgroup that X-Scios and critics began speaking out on). They say it's a joke and that they don't exist--so leaving out critics and X-Scientologists who have spent years exposing the abuses of Scientology;well, let's just say I prefer to include them all, as each person COUNTS.

    Whatever label, yes, let's get the abusers fully exposed: Sunshine disinfects.

    Tory

  • The ARSCC and Anonymous makes a difference! We have a good chance at finally destroying the Scientology crime syndicate once and for all. Now we need to get the ringleaders in prison.

  • Stop others from finding out the dark side of scientology? That's all I ever hear about is how "crazy" scientologists like Tom Cruise are.

  • That's all you ever hear about your religion? maybe you should ask yourself why that is and do some secondary research(from non-scientology sources).

    I hope we can all agree that useing only one source of information is bad research.

  • I'm an atheist, way to make accusations. I find it ridiculous how much persecution scientologists get from those with other religions. Like other religions aren't just as much bullshit.

  • Other religions have their own things to deal with, no question... for an atheist, especially.

    However, they don't have the civil rights abuses that Scientology and other CULTS do--and that's what I'm talking about.

    TC has done more to help expose Scientology than any other one person, and I thank he and DM for that :)

    Happy Sunday~~

    Tory/Magoo

  • First, tell me the definition of "religion", then tell me how Scientology fits in to the category of "religion". Many of the people within Scientology don't personally consider it a religion, but use it to argue against critics. The original declaring of Scientology as a religion by L. Ron Hubbard was only to gain tax exemption. It's set up as a self-help business, and run as a scam. Do some research.

  • are you telling tory to do some reasearch? lol, she was OT7! I think she knows.

  • Scientolgy is a religion. Why? Because it deals with man and the problems of man from a spiritual point of view.

    Its really simple, Scientologist believe that the spirital part of a man is the primary factor in resolving his difficulties.

    This became the primary focus in about 1951 and exclusively so by 1954. Because Scientology regards and operates on a spiritual level they are completely a religiion. There need not be any other considerations.

    Spiritual = Religion

  • Spiritual=Religion?

    Time to check on the MU's sugar.

  • Don't call me sugar. Male. Thank you.

    Relevant defintions:

    a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe

    a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons

    the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices

    < L religion - conscientiousness, piety; to tie, fasten

    incidentally the first word I cleared after learning how to clear a word, thank you very much.

  • "Because it deals with man and the problems of man from a spiritual point of view."

    Sounds like philosophy, not religion.

    "Spiritual = Religion"

    There's atheists who have spiritual beliefs. Not everything that's spiritual has to do with religion.

    Religions have to have some kind of worship of a deity to be considered a religion. Scientology has no worship, or services (also why they can't be considered a "church"). However, they'll claim protesters are interrupting non-existent services.

  • Also, everything in Scientology is operated like a self-help business program, not like a religion. Even the organized Catholic and Mormon Churches clearly operate like a religion. If Scientology was just a self-help program, it would have a problem surviving because of its methods being proven ineffective and sometimes dangerous, which is ALSO why LRH deemed psychiatry to be, basically, "the devil".

  • Go Germany ! - lock up the offenders ! - Show them we do have a civilization out here !

  • ^_^

  • yay for anon, the ex sci's like yourself, investigators from different governments, documentary film makers, SPs for spreading the word. :)

  • Hey Tory, nice video. The word has spread and will continue.

  • The word is spreading, keep up the good work.

  • Kurtilein3---Your words are very true: As much as Scientology *is* decreasing due to information spread by their many critics, SPs, X-Scientologists and Anonymous, they still have their very abusive policies in force, and I meet people daily who were *thinking about it*. Guess what? Now they aren't....but that education needs to continue, as long as they're out trying to rope people "in".

    Thanks to catawangus :) I love that, about dancing and bringing down the CULT!

    Happy Saturday :)

    Tory/Magoo

  • Tory, or anyone else around; do you think scientology is that much if a threat anymore? even before the protestfags started picketing and such, public opinion of the cult was pretty low. I keep hearing all these stories of their recent failures, with people leaving and such; as it stands, they're obviously in pretty poor shape. :-/

  • madfoot: so what?

    we already organized this, why not just keep protesting until the whole cult collapses because they run out of cash? whats your point?

    scientology maybe shrinked, but they are just as agressive as they have ever been, their strategy did not change at all. and as long as their strategy doesnt change, all our accusations are still 100% valid, and we can still cause even more damage to their organisations.

  • you're right, their strategy hasn't changed. I reckon that's why they're failing. :)

  • I will forever think of you as the lady who wiggle dances in her chair, playing music, bringing down a corrupt organization, smiling almost all the way! Keep up the great work, Tory!

  • Here! Here! Wobble1Wobble :) Sounds good to me.

    We had an excellent picket here in LA, in honor of Lisa, and Scientology sent out their choir to "Sing Xmas Carols" outside their building. How weird is that? I finally realized they were TRYING and FAILING at distraction from Anonymous,

    and also setting up a front for all of the executives in the building we were outside of.

    "What's all the honking about?" Oh---the Choir is out singing". Yeah...right.

    Congrats to all who came :)

    Best ~

    Tory/Magoo

  • Hi all - I would like to suggest three priorities for anonymous -

    1. Seek the end of the C of S tax exemption

    2. Seek the incarceration of the individuals

    directly responsible for abuse and criminal acts (as individuals not as the "church")

    3. Seek the de-registration of the Cof S as a religion

    I believe this would bring an end to the syndrome we currently observe....

  • wobble: this will not be enough, protesting is still necessary.

    the reason: here in germany, scientology is not recognized as a religion, it is considered a profit-oriented business when it comes to taxes, and our domestic intelligence agencies consider it to be a threat to freedom and democracy and an enemy of our constitution. so if they commit any crimes, they go to prison.

    scientology in germany manages to pay the taxes and survive this somehow. but our protests are quite effective.

  • Somebody send me a msg! I'm interested in some research regarding the role of youtube and other internet media in perception/education of Scientology. Also, where are the Scientology defenders? Shoot me a msg!

  • most scientologists arent dumb enough to come onto the web to try and promote $cientology, because they know how many people are opposed to it and they want to try an keep it low profile.If they go advertising the fact that people are against them then even more people will start to wonder why, like you for example.Feel free to message me or any anonymous if you would like any more info.but to put it simply "$cientology=Bad"

    Subscriptions/friend requests are welcome.

    I bid you good day

  • Actually, C of $/OSA controls the Scios allowed to surf the net. Most are highly discouraged from reading any of it. Even the "Handlers" rarely read much, they just skim and then promote Scientology or put down we critics and Anonymous. They're not hard to find :)

    Happy Friday!

    Tory/Magoo

  • Thanks Tory, i have much respect and admiration for you.

  • Please don't tell me there's an org in Antarctica, LOL. Good to know the word is getting out to all corners of the world!!

  • Did you ever celebrate Christmas as Christ's birthday in your heart? Or are you Christian. Forgive me if that is too personal.

  • fantastic video as always Tory you rock free speech will out now that a good idea videos about Lisa McPherson i guess that has always been to message the shared tragedy of Lisa McPherson and countless others involved in the cult of $cientology and what happened to them all the best oh AND TO ALL HAVE A MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR

  • that was me tory i cant get the vids to link the mail keeps comeing back.its was great talking to you the other day sorry to wake you up at 6

  • i am going out tonight......

    i am petty sure i will be alone i haven't heard from any Austin anons

    but know this my brothers an sisters

    i will carry in my heart tonight in front of the cult

    remember remember the 5th of December

    the death the cult has caused

    i know of no reason

    why Lisa McPherson

    should ever be forgot

  • beautiful.......thank you

  • Baby you make my day.

  • Light a memorial candle in memory of Lisa and another in honor of an unnamed victim who will hopefully get out soon!

  • hey tory :) any chance you would ever broadcast in hd format?

  • Yeah, Tory, are you using your spanky new JVC camcorder yet?

  • $cientology. Not on OUR watch. love you tory

  • Hey Tory love your videos! You are so right about OSA and sock accounts. They are out in force over at IMDB on all the Scieno celeb boards. Especially the Tom Cruise and Valkyrie board. They are so worried Valkyrie is going to be a massive flop due to public opinion about Cruise.

  • I hear that his pal, Oprah, is in no hurry to have him on the show to promote it. She seems to be looking more at what her pals are doing in $cien than she used to in the past. Now, what are they going to do?

  • My prayers go out to every Scientologist out there that they might find the real truth about Scientology.

  • don't be so soft about it, they ignore compasion

  • Tory, another year your free and able to enjoy the holiday season. Fabulous.

    I too will be lighting a candle for Lisa tonight.Wish I can be there with everyone else.

    This holiday season, I hope everyone pauses for a moment and remembers that there are Sea Org members suffering and will not be having a very happy holiday. Or any other day for that matter.

    Some day the Sea Org will be totally gone.

    I wish Peace to all.

  • The Church od scientology will fall soon enough.  Maybe then Tom Cruise and John Travolta will come out of the closet!

  • I'd rather they stay IN. Not sure any group would want to own them after more is revealed about the corrupt, abusive org they loved so much. Leave them where they lay.

  • Leave them IN? Are you crazy? I would still be "in", had Andreas not cared enough to help me.

    I couldn't disagree with you more, on that. As for Oprah, time shall tell, but my guess is she's just waiting out the "Bad PR" days---they'll be back, count on it---until she begins to show the hidden side. That's when you'll know she's FINALLY gotten the true picture.

    Best,

    Tory/Magoo

  • man i can barely get a signal in my own house how do they get a siganl in antartica?

  • satellite connection most likely

  • its not strong but we get it check out the posting on you tube key word mcmurdo station

  • Cheers Tory...

  • Scientology= FAIL

  • Some guy sent me a "questionnaire" to try to find out my age, home town, ect. I think it was a scilon fail attempt to get personal info on this account. These guys are SCAREY!

  • Just think, Tori, if you were in the cult you would not be able to enjoy the best time of the year: "Christmas"! The snow, the fireplace & marshmallows, the presents and best of all - the family close to you!

  • darthspeaks...we always enjoyed Christmas,and although it had absolutely zero religious base to it---we did have all that you name, as do most "in", minus the Sea Org, who slave away, even on Christmas, with some phony "Great Dinner" as their "celebration".

    I give thanks, daily, I'm OUT!Also, to all who have helped me make it over the mountain, all of you included :)

    Tory/Magoo

  • The Atlanta Anonymous is also holding a Candlelight Vigil for Lisa McPhearson at the Scientology Center in Atlanta, Georgia USA. It's be nice if some people from the Atlanta area showed up to pay their respects... thank you.

  • you are so beautiful, tory

  • too bad we can't get information to those who don't have the internet, like in Thailand.

  • NOT true. SE ASIA are being exsposed as we speak.

  • oh they are? excellent~

  • Scientology only has big funerals for "Opinion Leaders"--people well known. Others are swept under the run, and many never even know the person died, it's sick, truly.

    They don't really honor the dead, as they believe in reincarnation, and thus believe the person will be right back.

    I lost *tons* of friends while "in" Scientology, who died way too young.

    The saddest was my dear friend's son, who shot himself to death.

    All of the suicides were horrible. May they each be flying high, now.

    Best

    T

  • "... thus believe the person will be right back."

    If this is true Scientology may go and try to take over the world with violence and suicide bombers because they can just come back to life.

  • I hope you are lying Magoo because a fanatic group trying to make the world "clear", believing if they die they will just come back and have a military like SEA ORG established is not something I want to think about.

  • You are awesome, Tory. I watched a lot of your and Mark Bunker's videos, I really am amazed at your journey. Best Wishes

  • Where's Ron then? Of all the scientologists, it seems like he'd be amoung the first to "be right back". Especially since he's got that mansion at gold base just sitting there waiting for him... just sitting... empty... waiting...

    Hmmm, maybe this scientology stuff is not so true, not even for Ron Hubbard!

  • How dose Scientology treat the death of someone? Is the funeral service different? How did LRH say to honer the dead?

  • The reason I ask this is because if Scientology is truly a dangerous cult the death of the person would be a small part of the service and what they did for the cult would haled. I think if death is seen as temporary, then Scientology is more dangerous then Anonymous give it credit for.

  • So antartica will not be the first clear continent is what you are saying?

  • Yeah, Scientology needs to hurry and start up a Continental Liaison Office in Antarctica. They wouldn't need to add any more offices, though: Since they treat the British Isles as one continent, they could just send all the people from Saint Hill to Antarctica.

  • 26 views in just a few minutes!

    Tory, thanks for your video! Win win win win! XXX, Love and Peace, BB.

  • love you tory.

  • Anonomoose is epic win.

  • misuse of the word epic >_>

  • hi Tory!

  • There ya go, you're #1 :)

    Tory/Magoo

  • that is great her message is going all around the globe! Yeah!

  • lol this video has 0 views right now :P

  • lol, what do you expect, she posted it seconds ago!

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