Dogfights - Dogfights of Desert Storm Part 2

[MASTAVASE]

f-15c max is 8g's 12g's would tear that thing apart

[guglielmo740]

12 G's?!?!Ahaahahahahaahahahahaha­hahaha!!!!

[KimChi37]

ijan ur watching an america show and on an american website so stfu

[FrankBeltre]

All this technology would be useless against a zombie apocalypse

[ijan1705]

American missiles sucks! Nothing works!! :D

[3dwardXP]

12 g's my ass nice propaganda... i could believe it if the f-15 was an acrobatic prop plane or something.... but yea the f-15 didn't just suddenly turn into a sidewinder while it did the split-S such bullshit... could they lie any more in these videos???

[26873547]

@3dwardXP IKR. I thought I was the only one who heard that. I mean WTF? not only that the F-15 can't pull 12 g's but there's just no way the pilot would stay conscious under 12 g's.

[ogi415]

Unprecidented manuarabillity on the f-15 ? bitch please, that thing can't do a cobra ...

[EMaster9]

12 g's? I thought a jet would break up under those kinds of forces.

[dalmar23]

MiG 25 is the only Russian fighter to score a hit on american plane in Desert Storm operation

[etornel79]

12 G's..WOW..that's a lot...

[deestilo]

I know why the mig29s turned back home. They left the stove on !

Rookie kitchen chef :p

[Dbusdriver71]

Yes, I agree with you to a point. But what you say is in retrospect. At the time of these engagements over israel and lebanon, there was a big concern over the surface to air missles and what happened in yom kupur. The migs outnumbered the IAF and yet a combination of tactics and (what turned out to be superior) F-15s led to historic victories. but no one knew at the time how superior the F-15s and F-16s were.

[GhostHawk76]

@Dbusdriver71 comment(1) yom kupur: well it's not wise to blame entirely the pilot or the jet in that time because there are several factors can lead the battle to the fail (like politics and government intervention in the work of the army,Coordination between the armed forces,Choose the right person to lead the operations and movements,fighting spirit and full readiness to the battle..etc) If there is no one element of these points there is a high probability of failure.

[GhostHawk76]

@Dbusdriver71 comment(3) Under President Ronald Reagan(Iraq & USA were allies) Saddam Hussein and Iraq was protecting the interests of the United States of tidal Khomeini '' from Iran''( the principle of exporting the Khomeini revolution) Iraq - Iran war in 1980/1988,So after the end of the war in 1988 U.S. has decided to destroy the Iraqi army fearing that Saddam will play the role of policeman in the Gulf region especially get out of the war victors and fourth largest army in the region.

[torque2802]

these programs are so biased towards american's, love they way the mig at the end after all that avoidance just flies in a straight line and waits for the missle to hit him :P

[GhostHawk76]

@torque2802 lol what do you expect form Americans? showing you they lost F-18c shoot down by Iraqi MIG-25 or some F-16's shoot down by Iraqi Mirage over Baghdad plus the British Tornado ..etc

[Dbusdriver71]

@GhostHawk76 Theres truth in what you say; these shows r not much more than propaganda. But I feel the need to tell you that the IAF (isreali air force) seems to do most of the 'testing' for the U.S. and you should know they do awfully well. They have yet to lose an F-15 and have only lost about 5 F-16s to migs over the last thirty years. This doesn't fair well for the soviet mig aircraft.

[GhostHawk76]

@Dbusdriver71 undeniable the F-15 it's very advanced aircraft,compared with the MIG-25 or even MIG-29 without doubt have no record of any fail,about the Israeli air force'' yes they have good squadron of aircraft and they use it correctly,but I would like to be more fairly ''in my opinion'' most of the conflicts were not equal by the weapons and support for this reason some have failed and the other had succeed,don't you agree ?

[Dbusdriver71]

@GhostHawk76 I make this statement because at the time of the first gulf war, there was still a question of how good the american F-15s and F-16s are. So there was a question then as to if Ronald Regans' investments during the 80s were worth it or not. In retrospect they were.

[GhostHawk76]

@Dbusdriver71 comment(2) so you can notes there was fail sometimes,There was some kind of dispute over the leadership of the battle and the point of the battle! (like completely remove the discount or just contain the attack?)such this decisions taken by the political ''Governments'' and military force must take the action on the ground or the sky,the governments were in disagreement on the path of the war, so how the military people can lead the battle to the victory way !!

[GhostHawk76]

@Dbusdriver71 comment(4) so for that reason Saddam has been interpolate in Kuwait war 1990,

[Dbusdriver71]

@GhostHawk76 All good points; well taken. This is unrelated to the point you just made to me; you consider the F22 a failure? I believed that the makers of the F22 were dishonest about the time and money that it took to develop and make the aircraft. Almost all others that have test flown it (except for the russians) also compair it favorably to the latest soviet fighters, such as the SU 37. Now the cost is what I blame for its undoing, not its lake of performance. Do u agree?

[GhostHawk76]

@Dbusdriver71 (1) well its too early to judge on F22 successful or failure aircraft because the F22 did not participate any fighting mission yet..

but i believe the F22 it will be the next F16 but not the next F15 and I'm surer you will understand what i mean lol,because what they aspires to is difficult to accomplish or achieve in the current time but who knows how it will be the future of technology ! or in the end it will be just another F117 or F23 and the boneyard waiting to it lol..

[Dbusdriver71]

@GhostHawk76 I agree; it would be an excellent replacement for the F-16, and then theres the F-15 silent eagle, lets see how that turns out. And it looks like the critics about the stealth bomber were proven right; the USAF will spend billions upgrading the B-52s again while the stealth bomber will be towed to the junkyard by the B-52. Ironic how things turn out.Hopefully the U.S. govt will let the isrealis 'test' the silent eagle and the raptor.

[GhostHawk76]

@Dbusdriver71 (2) the SU 37 a scary terminator proved its ability in many of the air show and the military exercises,but the question is the Russians will sell​only the SU 37 version or the upgraded version ? this is the question ..

[Dbusdriver71]

@GhostHawk76 Just because it performs great at an airshow doesn't mean it will do that well in realtime. Soviet pilots have secretly flown against american and israeli pilots in the past and have been lost with 'superior' fighter aircraft of so they claimed. The soviets have been a little less then honest about their equiptment in the past, more so than america.

[Dbusdriver71]

@GhostHawk76 just because it performed well in an airshow doesn't mean it will do wellin real time. Soviet pilots have secretly flown against both american and isreali pilots in the past have been shot down in 'superior' fighters. The claims that you stated have been made in the past about the mig 29; while others say its a good fighter its not as good as the soviets claim; the isrealis still prefer the F15s over any mig.

[GhostHawk76]

@Dbusdriver71 (1) for sure it will be great replacement,about the SU37 in my opinion some reason can make it successful fighter jet:it's modified and developed it from the previous Su generations'' su27,33,35,until 37'' and all the last fighter jets of Su has proved high performances,so the last one equipped with highest specifications plus the positive addition to the adjustment and the modern radar system and arming type and how to neutralize the targets..this points proved as successful jet.

[GhostHawk76]

@Dbusdriver71 (2) if you take look how the Russians produce weapons, you will find they continues with the first project they don't start a new project only when they find it not fully fit,for example the MIG 31 its modified of MIG 25, and the MIG 30 modified of MIG 29..etc ] in the end the SU 37 represents successful of all the last generations of Su's ,, about the MIG29 absolutely unable to face the F15 in any way ( the Iraqi Air force was the perfect user of it ''even better than Russian'')

[UberVersatile]

@GhostHawk76 Part of the reason was the lack of radar while the US had AWACS up in the iar

[GhostHawk76]

@UberVersatile that's right the AWACS was whole reason (blocking Iraqi fighterjets radar).but compering Iraqi MiG-29s with USAF F-15s the technical gap was too wide,because in some case the Iraqi MIG29 shot down UK Panavia Tornado in 22 January on a mission to Ar Rutbahand and F-14 US Navy and US F-16 South West Iraq,Other Iraqi air-to-air kills are reported in Russian sources, where the US claims other cases of combat damage, such as the B-52 shot down by Iraqi MIG's over the Gulf .

[GhostHawk76]

@Dbusdriver71 (3) and the MIG29 was not eligible to face F15 (the Iraqi pilots was not only graduates of the school, French and Russian dogfight) they have more than 30 years record of success (Arab-Israeli conflict & Iraq-Iran war) they have a good reputation in the skillful and high precision in dogfight with all that the MIG29 was unable proved it self against the F15,plus the Iraqi pilots did all he's best to reach the target and engaged with it,

[Dbusdriver71]

@GhostHawk76 Thanks for your time and opinions.

[UberVersatile]

@Dbusdriver71 It's not propaganda. It's just action-documentaries for a semi-stupid public. But im lazy and bored and still watching it. Skipping through all the bs and just watching the dogfights

[torque2802]

@GhostHawk76 you are so right, some1 should make a show about americas greatest failures and start with the F-22 raptor cause that was a flop

[bhigr]

Oh well, 12 G is a fairy tale. The pilot must black out. The highest Gs pilots can sustain is around 9 G.

[stevng0]

7:20

[Antifaith29]

Supprised the 25 didnt just burn and run from the 15. Could have easily outrun it.

[pticurina]

Does anyone really belive this shit ??? He pulled 12 G !!!

even small children know max g a man can do is 9

[BLynchCAN]

@pticurina indeed. I (begging me from my understanding) 11 g's was killer. person

would weigh a Ton. Frak, Ton, tonne, 2000 pounds, 1500 kilos. Luv ya all !

[Arnee01901]

@pticurina no. max g is 24-29. but only cosmonauts/astronauts can makke it. But 12 g is too many for pilot and f-15.

p.s. sorry 4 my english.

[pticurina]

@Arnee01901

type max g pilot can do in google and click on second result. You can see what happens to a pilot on +9G

[jasonthemankiller]

An Iranian F5 shut down an Iraqi Mig25 during the Iran Iraq war lol

[Blahmarrow]

Every time! I swear, every time I go to a video on this site involving a war, there's an argument about something to do with it!

[delta5297]

The MiG-25 could have used the afterburners to get away....but if it didn't change direction from when we last saw it on the map, it would've been speeding off towards Saudi Arabia!

[krisean27]

f 14 still the best

[lostcauze88]

@krisean27

are you high? f22..or the superhornet...tomcats are really outdated man

[Antifaith29]

@lostcauze88 Not because its an inferior airframe. It still is faster, carriers more and goes urther than the f18. They just retired it due to cost. The dollar men rule all.

[mjg0316]

@krisean27 The F-14 was retired in 2006

[1bearcatf8f]

Ok you an ace pilot wouldnt you wanna fly a plane that give's you an edge in air-to-air combat? I mean the MiG-25 cant dogfight.

[RedneckRapture]

Its amazing how much of an advantage an AWACS can give.

[Hperman09]

Iraqi pilots were shit during the 1991 Persian Gulf War. They were not smart when it comes to Allied pilots. They were scared shitless so bad that some of them bailout after they saw Allied pilots.

[Antifaith29]

I'm not claiming to be an expert by any means, it's just everything ive read or seen about the Mig 25 says its capable of of speeds beond Mach 3. This video has it listed as 2.8. Wich one is correct?

[HalcyonSkies]

@Antifaith29 Mach 2.8 is the best operational speed. It CAN go Mach 3, but it burns the engines up really quick, so they typically try not to push it unless they absolutely need to.

[OverG88]

@HalcyonSkies Mach 2.8 is not the best operational speed....it's a maximum speed (altough it can fly even faster, up to Mach 3.2), at that speed it will burn it's fuel in 5 min.! Operational or cruise speed is about 1000 km/h!

[1bearcatf8f]

@OverG88 The Mig-25 can only travel at those speed's for a short period of time because it's engine's cant tolorate it for long period's of time.

[OverG88]

@1bearcatf8f Of course!

[1bearcatf8f]

@OverG88 the F-15 has a top speed of 1800+ mph not 1600.Making it the fastest air-superiority-fighter.The MiG-25 cant dogfight its away out of a cardboard box lol

[gfyc5]

not sure but i believe the US gave some F 14s to Iraq during the Iraq Iran war however once the US pulled our ground crew that maintained the F14s the fighters became useless without parts and upkeep training

[Blurdog3]

@gfyc5 - The US sold F-14s to the Shah of Iran prior to his fall. Iran was the only non-US user of the F-14. The F-14 did take part in the Iran-Iraq war but on Iran's side.

[TheCaptainjay]

now why would french peaple in NATO give their aircraft to an enemy

[evilmuffen117]

@TheCaptainjay It was probably before the war

[corporacionmonstruo]

@TheCaptainjay 20 years before they where not the enemy,the Mirages where old by 1991

[lostcauze88]

@TheCaptainjay

same reason they helped argentina in the falkland war...and same reason they helped iraq build nuclear plants...french are some traitors

[Pilou205]

@lostcauze88 The fact that Iraq and Argentina planes were sold by France and not USA doesn't make french some traitor...

[gethsoftware]

@Pilou205 well its usa who sold weapons to talibans when they where fighting against soviets. you allso sold weapons to pakistan, this whuld make you traitor against india.

[MultiMaxy95]

The Iraqis should buy back the MiG-29 also, in the form of the MiG-29SMT, and the MiG-35 too.

[RedneckRapture]

@MultiMaxy95 They'd still lose the fight.

[jonesy97]

"LN" at the time of Desert Storm, were on the tails of F-111F's from RAF Lakenheath, UK. I was with them in Taif, Saudi Arabia during the war. Lakenheath didn't change to the F-15C's and E's until 1994.

[shabbired]

iraqi pilot was verry much bullshit cause they were trying to have a dogfight in a visual range while the mig-25 was not built for that.it was an interceptor and they should know about america's awacas also.............assholes

[sertox12345]

@shabbired i think that there pilots had more time in cambat than the usa .. they where not bull shit ..

[DrJCCC20]

is there a dog fight involving F14s?? thats my fav plane since the 23 got the no

[jonesy97]

@DrJCCC20 Not during Desert Storm. Type in "Gulf of Sidra." Libya. Good stuff.

[sakoshooter48]

@junmiguel2007 Actually F-15's can regularly exceed 100,000 ft. This was demonstrated on several occasions in the late 80's and early 90's when the ASAT missile was being tested. F-15's would zoom climb to over 100K ft and launch the ASAT missile at hostile enemy satellites. Was great stuff! And speeds closer to Mach 3 are also not uncommon at altitude!

[boss220swift]

I like the end bit.I wonder if the iraqi pilot stayed up a bit late,fucking his donkey.And was a bit tired.Poor soul.

[snowboredsnj]

they try so hard to make this sound dramatic, but they cant really hide the fact that this iraqi pilot was neither skilled nor knowledgeable.

unless they are leaving a lot out the mig pilot did nothing but turn slowly and pop flares... they said the american piloy may have met his match?! wtf

if the sparrow hadnt malfunctioned the fight wouldnt have lasted long enuf to be on the show.

I dont know bout u guys, but i dont really feel 1 split s really qualifies as a dogfight

[jdnic1]

lol. "his turning radius is a size of texas"

[amberMC31]

iraq aint got shit on us!!!

[DarknessKnight666]

@amberMC31 Dont gloat, for now american pilots havent met their match thankfully.

[ogdocvato]

According to the USAF the top speed of the F-15 Eagle is classified. Defense experts list it at Mach 2.5+

[1bearcatf8f]

F-15s go past 1600MPH more like 1800MPH

[lockheed12345]

the MiG 25 could actualy do mach3.2

[TheBobobros]

5 super stars