Your "permanent memory of water" fails when considering recording media, like magnetic tape, can be erased & re-recorded, which is exactly what is happening in the H2O hydrogen bond structure of water, which is constantly re-arranging, unless the structural imprint can be fixed in a second medium.
There are also many ways to disprove the placebo hypothesis, such as biochemical tests, which have been numerous. Currently there are no tests that prove the placebo effect. Homeopathy works in vitro.
Time someone said something similar about chiropractic, another bogus science built upon quackery. Its a one trick therapy- all it has are subluxations (never proved) and dodgy x rays.
People will always feed you truckloads of bullshit. After looking at the Lancet study (That's right folks, I don't take anybody's word for it. I check the source), I could not believe that research scientists would create such a flawed and biased document and still keep their job. I could have assembled a team of intelligent 8 year olds that could have put together something better than this. And they would have done it for a free ice cream cone.
> I always thought that a 30c solution was 10 to the 30th power rather than 100 to the 30th power. Some people say its 10, others say its 100. I guess in the end it doesn't really matter, since its all bullshit anyway.
> What study are you talking about, and how exactly is it bullshit?
> In any case, it doesn't really matter, since I don't need a study to tell me that a solution, where the active ingredient is diluted to the point where it's not even there anymore, isn't going to do jack shit. It's simple common sense, and if more people had it, they wouldn't be giving these conniving, slimy snake oil salesmen their money, and would invest in real medicine instead.
@CreamyGoodnessX I regret to inform you that your request has been considered and after due deliberation has been denied. It was deemed that "Fuck you ass", although cleverly written, lacks certain aspects that would qualify it as English, given that the word 'you' cannot be placed in an adjectival position. It functions, as you might know but probably don't, only as a personal pronoun. Unless of course you meant, 'ewe', which I doubt since that would stretch your vocabulary past its limits.
> You gave an intellectually vacuous argument, so I responded with an equally intellectually vacuous one of my own. So yeah, my "fuck you ass" still stands. Besides, I don't remember ever hiring you as my personal grammar tutor, and I can write my responses however the fuck I want, and if you have a problem with that... Well, that's your fucking problem. Get over it already, doucefuck.
"Wow. I was wondering what took you so long. Guess it was looking up the word 'vacuous'. "
> Or maybe I already knew what the word meant, and because my entire life doesn't revolve YouTube? Nah, there's no possibility THAT could be it, no way.
biologists use dilution factors all the time, with the exact opposite effect of what homeopaths claim strengthens the solution. Stupid cunts they are.
You talk about placebo - or the potential expectations of a recipient to experience a positive effect. But what if the recipient is in incapable of such expectation?
for example these five groups:
Someone unconscious?
Someone who's not compos mentis?
A baby?
An animal?
A vegetable?
These five groups are incapable of such expectation, yet homeopathy claims to have positive effects on these groups too...
LOL at kevinjohnmorris (a homepathy advodate) calling the critics flatearthers! ROFL LOL. I might have to sue you for damage to myself as I just fell off my chair laughing LOL.
Flatearthers is a phrase that typifies those that that ignore solid evidence that contradicts their belief. Lets face it, homeopathy is nothing more than a belief. It's a bit like a cult or religion.
I think you will find, if you do your homework rather than referring to tenth hand reports, that Benveniste's research has been repeated several times at different institutions. When scientists publish research and offer it up to peer review they don't send their representatives to supervise the peer review. This is just black propaganda.
What really bugs you flatearthers is that homoeopathy has grown to be the second most widespread medical system on earth through no more than word of mouth.
I've watched some videos on homeopathy and I have to say that was one of the best! You obviously put a lot of work into it. Thank you for providing the visualisation of the size of the container to contain 1 drop of 30c.
Can any sane person can continue to defend homeopathy after watching this? I doubt it.
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Of course the greatest weakness of your argument is the great number of studies, including double blinded studies, that demonstrate biological effect of homoeopathic remedies diluted beyond avogadro's law. That and the many people who get better from chronic disease, often after years of unsuccessful conventional medical treatment.
If you were truly scientific, you wouldn't be saying, 'It can't work!' You'd be saying, 'We must look into the mechanisms by which it might.'
@kevinjohnmorris Science has looked into the claims of homeopathy again and again and again. For example, Benveniste's water memory theory was looked at closely and couldn't be repeated under *proper* conditions.
Homeopaths on the other hand are willing to make claims that they can't backup with studies. The burden of proof is with homeopathy to provide *quality* studies. What more can scientists do?
@newbarker You are actually incorrect. Benveniste's work has been replicated at several universities. One of these was conducted by Madeleine Ennis at Belfast. She was an implacalbe enemy of homoeopathy, but was quoted after replicating Benveniste's work as saying that instead of saying homoeopathy couldn't work, they now had to research the reasons by which it does. You mention Benveniste's 'theory' Actually Benveniste was asked to design an experiment that explained the claims of homoeopaths.
@kevinjohnmorris Ennis' results were not replicatable either. If you read my original message, I said Benveniste's assertions couldn't be repeated under *proper* conditions! She was originally talking directions *from Benveniste* on how to conduct the experiments. He has been proved to be a very sloppy scientist and when the quality of the experiments wen't up, there was NO WATER MEMORY effect to be found.
If you believe the theory, you are a credulous and gullible human being.
@newbarker I don't expect you to see this because you are probably not clever enough but the way Benveniste was treated- subjected to an unethical campaign of unscientific character assasination was totally unacceptable. If his work had been wrong then it would have been proved wrong by the usual processes of scientific testing.
That it was not suggests that those, including then editor of Nature and hack magician James Randi, had rather underhand aims in mind that of deiscrediting an opponent
@kevinjohnmorris "I don't expect you to see this because you are probably not clever enough". OK, so you dive straight in with an ad hominem! Great start :)
Benviniste originally claimed his character was assasinated, but it wasn't. He later rescinded some of his comments to the Nature team and made a special correction to what he said about James Randi. Benveniste was simply throwing his toys out of the pram :)
Hope you're not too stupid to see you are as wrong as one could be about this?
I notice that you have not provided a rebuttal to the topics covered in this video, you have only attempted to attack credibility by implying conflict of interest. This is commonly referred to as an "ad hominem" attack. I do not receive any money from drug companies.
@jasonlpsmith If you had even bothered to look carefully at the Lancet meta-anaysis, you would have learned that in 85% of the acceptable studies (out of 110), the researchers did NOT follow homeopathic protocol. What these jokers did was reference a book, pull some substance off the shelf, and then administer the same remedy to a study group with similar symptoms. Any homeopath would tell you that will fail. Perhaps homeopathy is nonsense, but you don't prove that with a BULLSHIT study.
to the best of my knowledge string theory is not accepted yet in conventional science and that hawking dealed with blackholes a completely separate issue and has very little if anything to do with string theory??? and yes i know she is a moran she demonstrates that with her inability to handle mass energy conservation
@Rnt911 That is a good question. I don't know exactly how it works, it involes conditioning and expectations of the person receiving the placebo. It seems that the brain releases neurotransmitters such as dopamine when influenced by a placebo, which makes you feel better. But I'm sure it is far more complex than that brief explanation.
@dantheman1507 homeopathy is a fraud, its all the placebo effect or the homeopathic "medicine" has real medicine hidden in it. In China there starting to hold the person responsible who advertises these fake medications. Dont be fooled, homeopathic medicine is one of the few items that dont have to have the ingredients listed on it.
Funny how the homeopath scammers NEVER EVER answer questions about the original "ingredient", expiry dates, sterilizing before use, water from the tap having memorized *everything*, etc.
Before any of the homeopath quacks barf up more links to shotty fuzzy bad low quality cherry picked studies, let's get down to the details, to put this hoax to bed once and for all, so that you quacks can start looking for actual normal honest jobs.
First of, that initial "ingredient". Noone ever talks about it. Everyone concentrates on how diluting away every single molecule makes anything ineffective, and the opposition yacking about "memory in water".
Ingredients like "duck liver" for instance. It has absolutely no value whatsoever. None. Nothing. It has nothing to do with any disease, nor has it any medicinal value.
The homeopath con artist claim that you treat a disease with something "like". I forget how they put it, something something like. Sounds cute, means nothing.
Problem is, the "ingredient" has no related value in any shape or form. The "ingredient" is randomly made up, without any scientific study whatsoever.
Funny how NONE of the quacks EVER have anything to say about all this when they're presented with it. Homeopathy is "supposed to work", but you can't talk about underlying mechanisms and ingredients (or lack thereof).
More cherry picking resulting in very little results. The kind of results you'd get if you have a set of random results and pick the most favorable one. None of these are repeatable.
Every conclusion is the same. Cherry Picking, weak evidence.
There is never any proof it works.
And why should it work. Water memory is a laughable bullshit concept that does not exist. The "ingredient" doesn't have any value whatsoever to begin with.
Snake oil. Lies. It's a hoax.
If you think there's something in it, you're purely going on beliefs and you'd be delusional.
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prove their hoax, and I'm going to give you one valid example: coffee, when prepared with water make you wanna take a dumb, you don't believe me try it.
And if you chew coffee seeds you get constipated.
coffee seeds + water -> drinkable coffee -> oposite effect.
@dantheman1507 Every single scientific trial showing that homeopathy does not show any better efficacy than a placebo, is proof enough that it does not work.
And why should it work. Someone 200 years ago concocted a story how memory was supposed to have 'memory'. Rriigghhtt....
And then crook and scamsters today are trying to make money because there is a enough stupid gullible impressionable ignorant audience, and the government doesn't interfere with this "practice".
@dantheman1507 Actually, I don't really like oral sex. I prefer straight actual sex. I can't imagine who or what you'd have sex with. Perhaps there's a homeopathic contraceptive you can use.
And if you end getting aids, according to bandershot, you can just treat that with homeopathy too.
@dantheman1507 Aha - you can't or won't go into details just like any other homeopath quack. Perhaps that lying scum crook mohanaturo would like to comment. mohanaturo... come out to plaaayyyaaayyyy... mohanaturo... come out to plaaayyyaaayyyy... (ever watched The Warriors?).
And your analogy about coffee beans is just so insanely dumb and stupid it doesn't deserve any attention...
@dantheman1507 Of course, you have absolutely no evidence for those weird bizarre imaginary make believe delusional "pop into existence from nowhere" claims.
if by victory you mean hot steamy tasty jizz that you love so much, yes... victory is yours!You're the whore of marketing!But I'm sure that pretty soon that shitcountry that you're in will also break down economicly and then we'll really see you sucking cock near the corner store.You're a pathetic little guy that hasn't even read anything about homeopathy and is trying to debunk it.
You've proven to be stupid and shown that you have no idea what homeopathy sais.
@dantheman1507 Resorting to physical threats, which is illegal by the way, is just about as low as anyone can possibly go. Congratulations, you're officially the bottom of the pack.
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dude, I'm no the delusional one you are; you probably saw all those vids that say homeopathy is crap and you want to belong;
it's as sad as it is dumb;
First of all, you know shit about how substances work. Reading an article or two isn't enough. Go through med-school if you really want to be taken seariously.
And second: your logic is totally gone, you have none, you have no ability to think or to understand simmilar situations.
@dantheman1507 Yes it is placebo. There is nothing in it. It is just water. Water memory does not exist. The original ingredient has no value. None of the original ingredient is left. It is made up. Anyone seeing results is anecdotal evidence due to chance and placebo effect.
Those are facts. The homeopathy industry is a scam, a lie, a hoax, supported by quacks providing false data. They are all a bunch of liars.
@dantheman1507 Yes it is placebo. There exists no evidence that shows that it is not. There are manipulated studies showing positive results, but those results are very weak, and are highly cherry picked.
None of them have ever been repeated and properly peer reviewed.
It's all just one big scam industry with crooks and scammers on one side, and ignorant delusional suckers buying this shit on the other end.
Do you even hear yourself? What kind of reasoning is that?
Show me evidence that your mom is not a nasty whore who just picked my cherry balls then... If that's how it works for you. Show me evidence you're not paid by rich guys to eat shit while they cum on you.
Show me, show me.
Dumbass motherfucker...
Dude, you can't even reason right, you've got the IQ of a shit in the wind.
@dantheman1507 Another one those pathetic delusional paranoid super morons. Oh, it's all a "conspiracy", of course.... I'm in bed with the pharmaceutical companies... rriigghttt.
I just got off the phone with my boss. He said "how did you do today, did you skew any opinions today? We're counting on you to ensure our business...
@dantheman1507 Prove how water memory exists. There exists not one single scientific theory supporting memory in water, so, you'll have to make something up.
@dantheman1507 I just thought of another notion how stupid homeopathy really is. The stronger the dilution, the stronger the potion, right? Drop one single drop of duck liver into the center of the ocean. Eventually it'll mix all over the planet and you end up with one hell of a potion.
Good grief, good thing all homeopath treatments are by definition only have beneficial effects and never can have any negative effects.
You *STILL* don't see how stupid this whole thing is?
you moronic little shithead! I'd beat you if I was in your zip code.
Of course it must be distied water you pathetic dumbass.
Do you know how many impurities are in the normal water?
What the fuck do you know about anything. You're a stupid asshole that's paid to comment on homeopathy videos and to rate his own comments so that other uninformed people will fall for your tricks and propaganda.
@dantheman1507 Wauw! Resorting to physical threats. How low can you go? I can see the type of completely and utter TRASH I'm dealing with here. Here! Watch out! Or I'll spray some bad homeopathy at you and curse you! Delusional nuts like you can be made to believe in anything. After all, you don't require any evidence and base reality purely on belief systems.
@dantheman1507 So because some theories are very difficult to prove, that is supposed to give move credibility to things people make up, like homeopathy?
In science, it's expected and perfectly normal for things to be unknown. Once you have find evidence to support it, and an explanation how something works that is supported by evidence, then you have a working theory.
Homeopathy is not a working theory.
And we'll let others decide who's the unintelligent one here, boy.
@dantheman1507 Natural treatment can have value as long as there is a medicinal effect. Homeopathy has no effect (other than placebo).
I'm not pro medicine at all. I think that the human natural immune system needs to be given every chance so long it is reasonable. Cancer needs intervention for one, or else die sooner.
I also believe nutrition is a major factor as well.
I think medicine is way over-prescribed and many mistakes are made.
or else it's a standard package the quacks such as yourself copy from each other. Perhaps you found it on hpathy, one of the many quack sites funded by the quack industry. quack quack quack.
Linde & Melchart 1998: "when the analysis was restricted to the methodologicall y best trials no significant effect was seen ... The evidence, however, is not convincing because of methodological shortcomings and inconsistencies ."
statiscally speaking in the scientific community, we recognize a trial as significant when there is less than a 5% chance, that the result is because of pure chance.
When there have been conducted trials for ca. 200 years there are bound to be quite a few trials that have positive results based on chance.
That is why it is exceedingly important that meta-analyses are based on stringent, transparent criteria so as to avoid cherry-picking of even the most well-conducted trials on homeopathy.
So, it seems Mohanaturo is a complete fraud. From time to time, he barfs up a message and his standard tactic is to *NEVER* engage in any actual debate or conversation. EVER.
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and to proove how dumb and gulible you are imagine this, that anthrax example: if someone would drop a few drops of anthrax in the ocean, then all the water in the world should be undrinkable, if you follow the 30C rule.
Homeopathy is bullshit. Entirely, and fully. There is no value in it. There are no occasional positive results. It does absolutely nothing. It's just water. Water memory does not exist.
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homeopathy is not an exact science and indeed, doesn't work every time... but there are sufficient cases where it works even better the regular medicine;
I'm not saying it's better or that regular medicine should be ignored but they should be both checked out.
Placebo effect and anecdotal evidence you stupid moron!
There exists no scientifically sound evidence that homeopathy can work.
And consider how it is supposed to work. Taking an ingredient that doesn't have any proven values to begin with, and then diluting it to a point where there isn't a single molecule left.
"Water memory". rriigghtt.... No evidence or proof or even a working theory how that works.
I clearly know a HELL of a lot more about science and the scientific processes than you do.
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You're am arrogant fuck! If the mechanism isn't know yet it doesn't mean it won't work.
How do you know that after a couple a years a mechanism is found for one of this homeopathic treatments.
You're a stupid little shit and you have no idea how many gaps there are in medicine. Researchers can't figure out some of the simplest and common things.
So unless you can find me proof the homeopathy is only based on placebos and statistics shut up and stop discrediting it.
So, we're all supposed to buy into something that isn't known (yet). The only thing we do know about it so far that it is fantasy. And *I* am the "ignorant fuck"? Huh? That's rich!
The whole story behind homeopathy is a completely unscientific fairy tale from make believe land.
As for proof, there's plenty of proof that homeopathy never shows anything beyond placebo.
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you stupid motherfucker, I'm not promoting this stuff, I'm just saying you shouldn't get so orgasmic on discrediting it.
If you don't believe if works don't buy it. I don't even buy it. And if there's proof, asshole, show me!
And by the way, the water memory thing is just a theory, a dumb one or not, it's not suppose to be the exact mechanism. It's only a theory, like my theory that your nuts have the size of coloid particles and that's why you're so frustrated. But I could be wrong...
I'm trying to help put a stop to this quack of a lie. Or at least throw a wedge in it. It is not acceptable that crooks get to pass this pseudo scientific horse shot to
Your "permanent memory of water" fails when considering recording media, like magnetic tape, can be erased & re-recorded, which is exactly what is happening in the H2O hydrogen bond structure of water, which is constantly re-arranging, unless the structural imprint can be fixed in a second medium.
There are also many ways to disprove the placebo hypothesis, such as biochemical tests, which have been numerous. Currently there are no tests that prove the placebo effect. Homeopathy works in vitro.
Bandershot 3 weeks ago
I remember that newsnight episode. Kirsty Wark tore them to shreds.
Captaintwathazzard 7 months ago
That was the funniest stand up material I ever head, awesome
JerezJulio 1 year ago
the Laidy in the end of teh video was awesome.
JerezJulio 1 year ago 2
men the asian doctor at the ned made me laught.........how can she be so fucking stupid and have a medical degree......
lapmarty 1 year ago
Time someone said something similar about chiropractic, another bogus science built upon quackery. Its a one trick therapy- all it has are subluxations (never proved) and dodgy x rays.
CorporalNym 1 year ago 2
Did you hear about the homoeopath who died from an overdose of nothing
CorporalNym 1 year ago
I have *never* seen a Homeopath walk away from an argument without looking like a total utter utter super moron.
The only thing they have to go on are weak flawed cherry picked "studies" with unrepeatable results.
I've come across every bullshit excuse under the sun. Some even bring in NMR's, E=mc2, and other fuzzy wuzzy pseudo scientific horse crap.
Homeopathy is quack central.
a1mint 1 year ago 2
People will always feed you truckloads of bullshit. After looking at the Lancet study (That's right folks, I don't take anybody's word for it. I check the source), I could not believe that research scientists would create such a flawed and biased document and still keep their job. I could have assembled a team of intelligent 8 year olds that could have put together something better than this. And they would have done it for a free ice cream cone.
indoctus41 1 year ago
Oh look - 8 people who thought homeopathy works watched this video.
aquariussphere 1 year ago
> I always thought that a 30c solution was 10 to the 30th power rather than 100 to the 30th power. Some people say its 10, others say its 100. I guess in the end it doesn't really matter, since its all bullshit anyway.
CreamyGoodnessX 1 year ago
@CreamyGoodnessX What better way to prove something is bullshit than with a BULLSHIT study.
indoctus41 1 year ago
@indoctus41
> What study are you talking about, and how exactly is it bullshit?
> In any case, it doesn't really matter, since I don't need a study to tell me that a solution, where the active ingredient is diluted to the point where it's not even there anymore, isn't going to do jack shit. It's simple common sense, and if more people had it, they wouldn't be giving these conniving, slimy snake oil salesmen their money, and would invest in real medicine instead.
CreamyGoodnessX 1 year ago
@CreamyGoodnessX Don't worry. I never send info on a study to the closed-minded. You're safe.
indoctus41 1 year ago
@indoctus41
"Don't worry. I never send info on a study to the closed-minded. You're safe."
> In other words, you have no real data to back up your claims, so you just resort to the ad-hom and walk away. Yeah, way to prove your point, chief.
CreamyGoodnessX 1 year ago 2
@CreamyGoodnessX Whatever. Go back to sleep.
indoctus41 1 year ago
@indoctus41
> Whatever right back at you, buddy. Fuck you ass. .I.. ..I.
CreamyGoodnessX 1 year ago
@CreamyGoodnessX I regret to inform you that your request has been considered and after due deliberation has been denied. It was deemed that "Fuck you ass", although cleverly written, lacks certain aspects that would qualify it as English, given that the word 'you' cannot be placed in an adjectival position. It functions, as you might know but probably don't, only as a personal pronoun. Unless of course you meant, 'ewe', which I doubt since that would stretch your vocabulary past its limits.
indoctus41 1 year ago
@indoctus41
> You gave an intellectually vacuous argument, so I responded with an equally intellectually vacuous one of my own. So yeah, my "fuck you ass" still stands. Besides, I don't remember ever hiring you as my personal grammar tutor, and I can write my responses however the fuck I want, and if you have a problem with that... Well, that's your fucking problem. Get over it already, doucefuck.
CreamyGoodnessX 1 year ago
@CreamyGoodnessX Wow. I was wondering what took you so long. Guess it was looking up the word 'vacuous'.
indoctus41 1 year ago
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@indoctus41
"Wow. I was wondering what took you so long. Guess it was looking up the word 'vacuous'. "
> Or maybe I already knew what the word meant, and because my entire life doesn't revolve YouTube? Nah, there's no possibility THAT could be it, no way.
CreamyGoodnessX 1 year ago
biologists use dilution factors all the time, with the exact opposite effect of what homeopaths claim strengthens the solution. Stupid cunts they are.
Timmay123456789 1 year ago
You talk about placebo - or the potential expectations of a recipient to experience a positive effect. But what if the recipient is in incapable of such expectation?
for example these five groups:
Someone unconscious?
Someone who's not compos mentis?
A baby?
An animal?
A vegetable?
These five groups are incapable of such expectation, yet homeopathy claims to have positive effects on these groups too...
acorntechnique 1 year ago
Fucking LOL, im in the wrong business. Money for old rope.
VolcanoMr 1 year ago
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@VolcanoMr
Money for old rope perhaps, provided you can make an accurate diagnosis...
acorntechnique 1 year ago
LOL at kevinjohnmorris (a homepathy advodate) calling the critics flatearthers! ROFL LOL. I might have to sue you for damage to myself as I just fell off my chair laughing LOL.
Flatearthers is a phrase that typifies those that that ignore solid evidence that contradicts their belief. Lets face it, homeopathy is nothing more than a belief. It's a bit like a cult or religion.
Have you ever been described as a cult Kevin? LOL
FraudOfHomeopathy 1 year ago 5
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I think you will find, if you do your homework rather than referring to tenth hand reports, that Benveniste's research has been repeated several times at different institutions. When scientists publish research and offer it up to peer review they don't send their representatives to supervise the peer review. This is just black propaganda.
What really bugs you flatearthers is that homoeopathy has grown to be the second most widespread medical system on earth through no more than word of mouth.
kevinjohnmorris 1 year ago
This video is simply brilliant and gives the average person a good overview of the Fraud of Homeopthy.
Favourited and subscribed!
ExposeHomeopathy 1 year ago 5
I've watched some videos on homeopathy and I have to say that was one of the best! You obviously put a lot of work into it. Thank you for providing the visualisation of the size of the container to contain 1 drop of 30c.
Can any sane person can continue to defend homeopathy after watching this? I doubt it.
newbarker 1 year ago 5
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Of course the greatest weakness of your argument is the great number of studies, including double blinded studies, that demonstrate biological effect of homoeopathic remedies diluted beyond avogadro's law. That and the many people who get better from chronic disease, often after years of unsuccessful conventional medical treatment.
If you were truly scientific, you wouldn't be saying, 'It can't work!' You'd be saying, 'We must look into the mechanisms by which it might.'
kevinjohnmorris 1 year ago
@kevinjohnmorris Science has looked into the claims of homeopathy again and again and again. For example, Benveniste's water memory theory was looked at closely and couldn't be repeated under *proper* conditions.
Homeopaths on the other hand are willing to make claims that they can't backup with studies. The burden of proof is with homeopathy to provide *quality* studies. What more can scientists do?
newbarker 1 year ago 8
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@newbarker You are actually incorrect. Benveniste's work has been replicated at several universities. One of these was conducted by Madeleine Ennis at Belfast. She was an implacalbe enemy of homoeopathy, but was quoted after replicating Benveniste's work as saying that instead of saying homoeopathy couldn't work, they now had to research the reasons by which it does. You mention Benveniste's 'theory' Actually Benveniste was asked to design an experiment that explained the claims of homoeopaths.
kevinjohnmorris 1 year ago
@kevinjohnmorris Ennis' results were not replicatable either. If you read my original message, I said Benveniste's assertions couldn't be repeated under *proper* conditions! She was originally talking directions *from Benveniste* on how to conduct the experiments. He has been proved to be a very sloppy scientist and when the quality of the experiments wen't up, there was NO WATER MEMORY effect to be found.
If you believe the theory, you are a credulous and gullible human being.
newbarker 1 year ago 6
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@newbarker I don't expect you to see this because you are probably not clever enough but the way Benveniste was treated- subjected to an unethical campaign of unscientific character assasination was totally unacceptable. If his work had been wrong then it would have been proved wrong by the usual processes of scientific testing.
That it was not suggests that those, including then editor of Nature and hack magician James Randi, had rather underhand aims in mind that of deiscrediting an opponent
kevinjohnmorris 1 year ago
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BernieSloane 1 year ago
@kevinjohnmorris "I don't expect you to see this because you are probably not clever enough". OK, so you dive straight in with an ad hominem! Great start :)
Benviniste originally claimed his character was assasinated, but it wasn't. He later rescinded some of his comments to the Nature team and made a special correction to what he said about James Randi. Benveniste was simply throwing his toys out of the pram :)
Hope you're not too stupid to see you are as wrong as one could be about this?
newbarker 1 year ago 7
This is one of the best presentations I've ever seen on this subject. Well done indeed.
Minttzz 1 year ago 5
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How much are you guys getting for the negative comments I wonder?
Drug companies should be paying you more.
kishan2000 1 year ago
@kishan2000
I notice that you have not provided a rebuttal to the topics covered in this video, you have only attempted to attack credibility by implying conflict of interest. This is commonly referred to as an "ad hominem" attack. I do not receive any money from drug companies.
jasonlpsmith 1 year ago 12
@jasonlpsmith If you had even bothered to look carefully at the Lancet meta-anaysis, you would have learned that in 85% of the acceptable studies (out of 110), the researchers did NOT follow homeopathic protocol. What these jokers did was reference a book, pull some substance off the shelf, and then administer the same remedy to a study group with similar symptoms. Any homeopath would tell you that will fail. Perhaps homeopathy is nonsense, but you don't prove that with a BULLSHIT study.
indoctus41 1 year ago
to the best of my knowledge string theory is not accepted yet in conventional science and that hawking dealed with blackholes a completely separate issue and has very little if anything to do with string theory??? and yes i know she is a moran she demonstrates that with her inability to handle mass energy conservation
johnnyd101 1 year ago
How does excactly placebo works?
Rnt911 1 year ago
@Rnt911 That is a good question. I don't know exactly how it works, it involes conditioning and expectations of the person receiving the placebo. It seems that the brain releases neurotransmitters such as dopamine when influenced by a placebo, which makes you feel better. But I'm sure it is far more complex than that brief explanation.
jasonlpsmith 1 year ago
OMFG! That woman has the IQ of an amoeba! This is shocking stupidity!
singring76 1 year ago
@singring76
though I kinda believe in this homeopathy thing, I totally agree with you on that one
dantheman1507 1 year ago
@dantheman1507 homeopathy is a fraud, its all the placebo effect or the homeopathic "medicine" has real medicine hidden in it. In China there starting to hold the person responsible who advertises these fake medications. Dont be fooled, homeopathic medicine is one of the few items that dont have to have the ingredients listed on it.
KrautAttack78 1 year ago
@dantheman1507 you need faith for homeopathy thats how good of a medicine it is
johnnyd101 1 year ago
@singring76 do not insult the amoebas.
bakven 1 year ago
Hahaha I love the woman at the end.
blabby102 1 year ago 23
Funny how the homeopath scammers NEVER EVER answer questions about the original "ingredient", expiry dates, sterilizing before use, water from the tap having memorized *everything*, etc.
What a scam !
antibunker 1 year ago 3
Before any of the homeopath quacks barf up more links to shotty fuzzy bad low quality cherry picked studies, let's get down to the details, to put this hoax to bed once and for all, so that you quacks can start looking for actual normal honest jobs.
antibunker 1 year ago 3
First of, that initial "ingredient". Noone ever talks about it. Everyone concentrates on how diluting away every single molecule makes anything ineffective, and the opposition yacking about "memory in water".
Ingredients like "duck liver" for instance. It has absolutely no value whatsoever. None. Nothing. It has nothing to do with any disease, nor has it any medicinal value.
antibunker 1 year ago 2
The homeopath con artist claim that you treat a disease with something "like". I forget how they put it, something something like. Sounds cute, means nothing.
Problem is, the "ingredient" has no related value in any shape or form. The "ingredient" is randomly made up, without any scientific study whatsoever.
antibunker 1 year ago
The we move on to "water memory".
There is no proof, no working theory, how that can exist.
Water are H2O molecules dancing around in high quantities. It's completely random. Water doesn't "arrange" itself in any way.
It's like sand on the beach, completely and utterly random.
antibunker 1 year ago
On a molecular level, there isn't anything noteworthy there either.
On a level below that, we're dealing with neutrons, protons, and electrons.
Then we get into quarks, weak force, strong force.
We can get into the string theory even.
Where things are hard to explain because they're very advanced topics, THAT is where the homeopaths ultimately like to hide.
They need an environment of fuzz, so they can push their bullshit.
antibunker 1 year ago
Funny how NONE of the quacks EVER have anything to say about all this when they're presented with it. Homeopathy is "supposed to work", but you can't talk about underlying mechanisms and ingredients (or lack thereof).
It's SUCH a QUACK industry.
antibunker 1 year ago
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Any other doofie PSEUDOskepticLIARS wish to pass off as a compulsive LIAR?.
The religion of PSEUDOsketicLYING is utter bullshit in the first degree and supported by a bunch of delusional liars.
And that.... is a FACT !
mohanaturo 1 year ago
You're a fucking lying conniving scumbag.
antibunker 1 year ago
Any other doofies wish to pass off another quack "study".
Homeopathy is utter bullshit in the first degree and supported by a bunch of delusional liars.
And that.... is a FACT !
antibunker 1 year ago 2
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5 META ANALYSES showing positive results on Homeopathy.
1. Cucherat et al 2000 16 Hi-Qt studies POSITIVE.
2. Linde & Melchart 1998 32 Hi-Qt studies POSITIVE.
3. Linde et al 1997 89 studies POSITIVE.
4. Boissel et al 1996 15 Hi-Qt studies POSITIVE.
5. Kleijnen et al 1991 105 studies POSITIVE.
mohanaturo 1 year ago
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@mohanaturo
hey dude, back down on antibunker, he's my bitch, get your own :)
dantheman1507 1 year ago
Don't worry, I'll eat that super quack for breakfast. mohanaturo is known as the village idiot. He surrounds himself with quacks and con artists.
I'll bury him no sweat.
Also notice how he ignores any evidence going against him and pretends that the evidence does not exist. He can not cope or deal with it.
Same as what you do. You avoid and pretend the issues against your case do not exist.
Quacks are so transparent it just aint funny.
antibunker 1 year ago 3
More cherry picking resulting in very little results. The kind of results you'd get if you have a set of random results and pick the most favorable one. None of these are repeatable.
antibunker 1 year ago 3
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many of them were, look it up...
dude you're so damn funny :))
dantheman1507 1 year ago
No there weren't. It forged, faked, it's a lie. And the lack of proof is in the pudding.
antibunker 1 year ago
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what proof do you have?
dantheman1507 1 year ago
Every conclusion is the same. Cherry Picking, weak evidence.
There is never any proof it works.
And why should it work. Water memory is a laughable bullshit concept that does not exist. The "ingredient" doesn't have any value whatsoever to begin with.
Snake oil. Lies. It's a hoax.
If you think there's something in it, you're purely going on beliefs and you'd be delusional.
antibunker 1 year ago
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prove their hoax, and I'm going to give you one valid example: coffee, when prepared with water make you wanna take a dumb, you don't believe me try it.
And if you chew coffee seeds you get constipated.
coffee seeds + water -> drinkable coffee -> oposite effect.
try it on your self!
in this case, homeopathy works.
dantheman1507 1 year ago
NO! All proof shows that it *IS* a hoax!
*YOU* prove it is not. And you CAN'T!
And what totally dumb oversimplified comparison. Is that the kind of idiotic super moron crap that you find that the gullible super morons buy...
Good freaking grief.
You are *SO* out to lunch, you delusional fool.
antibunker 1 year ago 5
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again... how does that proof show something is fake?
dantheman1507 1 year ago
@dantheman1507 Every single scientific trial showing that homeopathy does not show any better efficacy than a placebo, is proof enough that it does not work.
And why should it work. Someone 200 years ago concocted a story how memory was supposed to have 'memory'. Rriigghhtt....
And then crook and scamsters today are trying to make money because there is a enough stupid gullible impressionable ignorant audience, and the government doesn't interfere with this "practice".
What a scam.
antibunker 1 year ago 5
@antibunker
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You're a cocksucker !!!
dantheman1507 1 year ago
@dantheman1507 I'd rather lick pussy, you actual cocksucker !
antibunker 1 year ago
@dantheman1507 Actually, I don't really like oral sex. I prefer straight actual sex. I can't imagine who or what you'd have sex with. Perhaps there's a homeopathic contraceptive you can use.
And if you end getting aids, according to bandershot, you can just treat that with homeopathy too.
QUACK QUACK QUACK !
antibunker 1 year ago 2
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dude... you don't seem to understand... lack of proof does not mean false.
If I try to sell you a sealed black box and I tell you there's a golden ring in there, unless you look in the box you can't know for sure.
The ring might be there but it may also be not.
If money is involved you shouldn't buy the box without knowing the truth.
But anything can be in there unless you watch.
So is it with this homeopathy thing.
I'll give you examples in which this idea of dilution works.
dantheman1507 1 year ago
@dantheman1507 Lack of proof means there is no working theory supporting it.
Homeopathy is false. It's made up. Water memory does not exist.
It's only supported by pathetic lying scammers who are trying to make a living from this quackery.
But what's point arguing here - neither people for or against are ever going to read this.
So, just piss off and move on.
antibunker 1 year ago 5
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no working theory doesn't mean it doesn't work, it means you don't know how it works...
Stop looking cool by criticising this stuff and you move on.
dantheman1507 1 year ago
@dantheman1507 BULLSHIT ! That's a lame stupid excuse to try to pretend you know something I don't. Absolutely rubbish.
You answer this:
- the original ingredient, how does one determine what ingredient to pick.
- if water has memory, would water all around us not have memorized everything it came in contact with, including possibly harmful things?
- is water from the tap safe, given it might remember bad things?
- is there an expiry date?
- does water need to be sterilized 4 making potions?
antibunker 1 year ago 5
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sure the memory of water is stupid... but what if it work through some other mechanism?
Try on youself dude.
You eat coffee bean you get constipated.
You make coffee (that's dilution) you shit.
It's that easy.
dantheman1507 1 year ago
@dantheman1507 Aha - you can't or won't go into details just like any other homeopath quack. Perhaps that lying scum crook mohanaturo would like to comment. mohanaturo... come out to plaaayyyaaayyyy... mohanaturo... come out to plaaayyyaaayyyy... (ever watched The Warriors?).
And your analogy about coffee beans is just so insanely dumb and stupid it doesn't deserve any attention...
antibunker 1 year ago 3
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dude you stupid!
you know there are diseases that have an unknown mechanism?
They appear "from nowehere"
are those too placebos dumb-ass?
And why isn't the coffee beans example a good one? Because you're a 12 year old turd, that's why...
dantheman1507 1 year ago
@dantheman1507 Of course, you have absolutely no evidence for those weird bizarre imaginary make believe delusional "pop into existence from nowhere" claims.
You *ARE* dumb.
antibunker 1 year ago 3
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@antibunker
you're a COCKSUCKER COCKSUCKER COCKSUCKER COCKSUCKER COCKSUCKER COCKSUCKER COCKSUCKER COCKSUCKER COCKSUCKER !!!
Jizz on your face!
dantheman1507 1 year ago
@dantheman1507 aaaahhhh, did I make the little baby cry?
QUACK QUACK QUACK !
antibunker 1 year ago
@antibunker
cocksucker!
dantheman1507 1 year ago
@dantheman1507 Victory is mine!
antibunker 1 year ago
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@antibunker
if by victory you mean hot steamy tasty jizz that you love so much, yes... victory is yours!You're the whore of marketing!But I'm sure that pretty soon that shitcountry that you're in will also break down economicly and then we'll really see you sucking cock near the corner store.You're a pathetic little guy that hasn't even read anything about homeopathy and is trying to debunk it.
You've proven to be stupid and shown that you have no idea what homeopathy sais.
You're a cocksucker
dantheman1507 1 year ago
@dantheman1507 But hey, you're just delusional. Mohanaturo on the other hand is a conniving liar.
antibunker 1 year ago 18
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@antibunker
but it's ok cocksucker... you look cool in front of your "debunking" spam friends
COCKSUCKER!
dantheman1507 1 year ago
@dantheman1507 Maybe there's a homeopath poison for that you use to curse me. But wait... homeopathy is always healthy.... lol! QUACK!
antibunker 1 year ago 3
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@antibunker
nope, I'll use chemo to kill you, works better...
Or better yet, jizz in your throat, you'd like that.
Cocksucker!
dantheman1507 1 year ago
@dantheman1507 Resorting to physical threats, which is illegal by the way, is just about as low as anyone can possibly go. Congratulations, you're officially the bottom of the pack.
antibunker 1 year ago 4
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@antibunker
you lost the game cocksucker
dantheman1507 1 year ago
@dantheman1507 The title of grand-master-overlord of losers belongs to you little man.
antibunker 1 year ago 3
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@antibunker
but the jizz in the face award goes to you
dantheman1507 1 year ago
That's just fucked up. You are one fucked up puppy.
antibunker 1 year ago
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@antibunker
you're one jizzed in the eye whore, don't forget to vote for yourself dumbass.
dantheman1507 1 year ago
@dantheman1507 Moron !
antibunker 1 year ago 2
jizzfaced cocksucker
dantheman1507 1 year ago
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@antibunker
cocksucking troll!!! stay under the bridge where you belong
dantheman1507 1 year ago
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dude, I'm no the delusional one you are; you probably saw all those vids that say homeopathy is crap and you want to belong;
it's as sad as it is dumb;
First of all, you know shit about how substances work. Reading an article or two isn't enough. Go through med-school if you really want to be taken seariously.
And second: your logic is totally gone, you have none, you have no ability to think or to understand simmilar situations.
Good luck at serving fries for the next 50 years.
dantheman1507 1 year ago
@dantheman1507 Check the definition of delusional again. Also look up the definition of science, and also evidence.
You're one confused puppy.
antibunker 1 year ago 3
@antibunker
it's not placebo dumb-ass
dantheman1507 1 year ago
@dantheman1507 Yes it is placebo. There is nothing in it. It is just water. Water memory does not exist. The original ingredient has no value. None of the original ingredient is left. It is made up. Anyone seeing results is anecdotal evidence due to chance and placebo effect.
Those are facts. The homeopathy industry is a scam, a lie, a hoax, supported by quacks providing false data. They are all a bunch of liars.
Noone can prove me wrong on this.
antibunker 1 year ago 3
is not placebo, you will be proven wrong
dantheman1507 1 year ago
@dantheman1507 Yes it is placebo. There exists no evidence that shows that it is not. There are manipulated studies showing positive results, but those results are very weak, and are highly cherry picked.
None of them have ever been repeated and properly peer reviewed.
It's all just one big scam industry with crooks and scammers on one side, and ignorant delusional suckers buying this shit on the other end.
antibunker 1 year ago 3
@antibunker
whaaat?
there is no evidence to show that is not?
Do you even hear yourself? What kind of reasoning is that?
Show me evidence that your mom is not a nasty whore who just picked my cherry balls then... If that's how it works for you. Show me evidence you're not paid by rich guys to eat shit while they cum on you.
Show me, show me.
Dumbass motherfucker...
Dude, you can't even reason right, you've got the IQ of a shit in the wind.
dantheman1507 1 year ago
@dantheman1507 You're not making any sense at all.
Homeopathy is quackery, pseudo science, fake, not real, a lie.
You're either delusional or a lying crook. Take your pick.
antibunker 1 year ago
@antibunker
you're the the lying bitch that gets paid to suck the dirty cocks of the presidents of pharmaceutical companies...
get a real job ass-hole or comunists will kill you
dantheman1507 1 year ago
@dantheman1507 Another one those pathetic delusional paranoid super morons. Oh, it's all a "conspiracy", of course.... I'm in bed with the pharmaceutical companies... rriigghttt.
I just got off the phone with my boss. He said "how did you do today, did you skew any opinions today? We're counting on you to ensure our business...
Rriigghhtt.....
Oh oh, wait, it's the "communists" now....
You're weird.
antibunker 1 year ago 3
@dantheman1507
prove water memory can not exist
dantheman1507 1 year ago
@dantheman1507 Prove how water memory exists. There exists not one single scientific theory supporting memory in water, so, you'll have to make something up.
antibunker 1 year ago 2
@antibunker
you're not a warrior, you're a cocksucker that's trying to make money by staying home and jerking off and eating pizza all day...
prove water memory is false shit head
dantheman1507 1 year ago
@dantheman1507 I just thought of another notion how stupid homeopathy really is. The stronger the dilution, the stronger the potion, right? Drop one single drop of duck liver into the center of the ocean. Eventually it'll mix all over the planet and you end up with one hell of a potion.
Good grief, good thing all homeopath treatments are by definition only have beneficial effects and never can have any negative effects.
You *STILL* don't see how stupid this whole thing is?
Helloho-anybody home?
antibunker 1 year ago 2
@antibunker
you're so fucking stupid... but maybe because your skull is full of semen instead of brain
The water in the ocean is not distiled wated dumbass. It has salt and shit.
You're as stupid as the night's sky.
And your mom called, give her back her virginity!!
dantheman1507 1 year ago
@dantheman1507 So that's the excuse? It must be distilled water? Convenient little excuse.
I've heard some other quack say that lake water is suitable. That's not distilled. Would that work?
Then what would happen if a duck dies in the middle of the lake. Does all that lake water become medicinal?
You *actual* stupid moron !
antibunker 1 year ago 2
@antibunker
you moronic little shithead! I'd beat you if I was in your zip code.
Of course it must be distied water you pathetic dumbass.
Do you know how many impurities are in the normal water?
What the fuck do you know about anything. You're a stupid asshole that's paid to comment on homeopathy videos and to rate his own comments so that other uninformed people will fall for your tricks and propaganda.
Go fuck yourself and get a real job.
Go back to sucking real cock!
dantheman1507 1 year ago
@dantheman1507 Wauw! Resorting to physical threats. How low can you go? I can see the type of completely and utter TRASH I'm dealing with here. Here! Watch out! Or I'll spray some bad homeopathy at you and curse you! Delusional nuts like you can be made to believe in anything. After all, you don't require any evidence and base reality purely on belief systems.
QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK
antibunker 1 year ago
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science lacks a lot of evidence for many theories and phenomenons that are believen to be true.
String theory for example.
Or diseases. There are dozens if not hundreds of sindromes that have no working logical mechanism.
So isn't science also a cherry picker?
Just face the fact that you're stupid and lack processing abilities.
dantheman1507 1 year ago
@dantheman1507 So because some theories are very difficult to prove, that is supposed to give move credibility to things people make up, like homeopathy?
In science, it's expected and perfectly normal for things to be unknown. Once you have find evidence to support it, and an explanation how something works that is supported by evidence, then you have a working theory.
Homeopathy is not a working theory.
And we'll let others decide who's the unintelligent one here, boy.
antibunker 1 year ago
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so does string theory lack evidence dumb-ass;
you're dumber that dog turd
dantheman1507 1 year ago
@dantheman1507 String theory has nothing to do and is not in any competition with homeopathy.
Your attempts to give homeopathy credit because other theories are hard to prove, failed.
antibunker 1 year ago
@antibunker
you're the quack cocksucker, there are tons of natural treatments and possibly even homeopathic ones that are far better than that industrial crap.
If you had studied some real medicine and not that google shit you do you might've known a thing or to.
But your too busy collecting the jizz from the pharma companies.
Lamer!
dantheman1507 1 year ago
@dantheman1507 Natural treatment can have value as long as there is a medicinal effect. Homeopathy has no effect (other than placebo).
I'm not pro medicine at all. I think that the human natural immune system needs to be given every chance so long it is reasonable. Cancer needs intervention for one, or else die sooner.
I also believe nutrition is a major factor as well.
I think medicine is way over-prescribed and many mistakes are made.
But homeopathy remains 100% quackery.
antibunker 1 year ago
failed for you because you're a dumbass
go on sucking cock for the pharmaceutical companies that kill people
dantheman1507 1 year ago
@dantheman1507 Oh rreeaahheeaallyy.... Let's see you get pneumonia some time. Or a life threatening infection. You'll be begging for normal medicine.
You stupid QUACK !
antibunker 1 year ago
Either you copy pasted it from
beautifulhealthyliving(dot)com(slash)alternative-medicine(slash)evidence-check-homeopathy-part-511
or else it's a standard package the quacks such as yourself copy from each other. Perhaps you found it on hpathy, one of the many quack sites funded by the quack industry. quack quack quack.
antibunker 1 year ago
Cucherat is a delusional con artist.
He's upset because there "a publication bias against homeopathy exists in mainstream journals".
It's also found by actual scientists that these studies are of "very low quality".
Only these low studies show results. None of the higher quality studies EVER do, PERIOD.
Lots of room for misinterpretation, manipulation, cherry picking.
antibunker 1 year ago
So fact if, "mohanaturo". You *ARE* a quack. An actual bona fide lying scum QUACK, a FRAUD. A CON ARTIST. A FRAUDSTER.
You and your pathetic buddies like Bandershot, another uber uber grand master overlord lying fraudulent scam con artist.
It is absolutely DISGUSTING to see scum like you trying to suck money through this industry.
How the FUCK do you live with yourself man. From day to day, carrying your sorry ass from bullshit lie story to the next.
antibunker 1 year ago 3
Linde & Melchart 1998: "when the analysis was restricted to the methodologicall y best trials no significant effect was seen ... The evidence, however, is not convincing because of methodological shortcomings and inconsistencies ."
antibunker 1 year ago 2
statiscally speaking in the scientific community, we recognize a trial as significant when there is less than a 5% chance, that the result is because of pure chance.
When there have been conducted trials for ca. 200 years there are bound to be quite a few trials that have positive results based on chance.
That is why it is exceedingly important that meta-analyses are based on stringent, transparent criteria so as to avoid cherry-picking of even the most well-conducted trials on homeopathy.
antibunker 1 year ago 2
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In a triple-blind randomised controlled trial of 86 patients suffering from chronic fatigue syndrome
(CFS) patients in the homeopathic medicine group showed clinically significant improvement with
significantly more improvement on fatigue, compared to patients receiving placebo.
A randomised, controlled, triple-blind trial of the efficacy of homeopathic treatment for chronic
fatique syndrome. Journal of Psychosomatic Research 56 (2004) 189-197.
mohanaturo 1 year ago
You copy-pasted that from one of the many quack sites.
But, allow me to toss it straight in the garbage where it belongs.
quackometer(dot)net(slash)blog(slash)2007(slash)11(slash)dr-elaine-weatherley-jones-you-and(dot)html
antibunker 1 year ago
Can you say "Cherry Picking" ?
apgaylard(dot)wordpress(dot)com(slash)2007(slash)11(slash)08(slash)its-evidence-jim-but-not-as-we-know-it
antibunker 1 year ago
btw, nice collection of con artists you're listing on your channel, you freaking QUACK !
antibunker 1 year ago
So, it seems Mohanaturo is a complete fraud. From time to time, he barfs up a message and his standard tactic is to *NEVER* engage in any actual debate or conversation. EVER.
You're such a fraud.
antibunker 1 year ago
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Si it seems antibunker is a total FRAUD & LIAR just like the rest of his ilk.
Cherrypicking and discrediting positive studies on Homeopathy
mohanaturo 1 year ago
So, you COWARD, QUACK, CON ARTIST, LIAR, SCUM !
I could not help but notice how you completely avoiding dealing with the fact that your beloved Dr Weatherley turned out to be a complete FRAUD !
You're so pathetic. You *actual* FRAUD.
LOSER!
And you actually think you're going to make a living in this pathetic bullshit industry? How does that sit with you every morning - sleep well?
antibunker 1 year ago
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and to proove how dumb and gulible you are imagine this, that anthrax example: if someone would drop a few drops of anthrax in the ocean, then all the water in the world should be undrinkable, if you follow the 30C rule.
Does that make sense?
dantheman1507 1 year ago
That's confusing. First you defend homeopathy quackery, and then you say something that makes your case look really stupid.
antibunker 1 year ago
btw. I don't know you and I don't mean to direct my anger at you personally. I can not stand homeopathy and lying quacks that support it.
This bullshit industry needs to be stamped OUT and I'm contributing to that.
antibunker 1 year ago
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just because some lying quack assholes you don't have to assassinate the whole "department"
dantheman1507 1 year ago
Homeopathy is bullshit. Entirely, and fully. There is no value in it. There are no occasional positive results. It does absolutely nothing. It's just water. Water memory does not exist.
Simply acknowledge that, and I'll be happy.
antibunker 1 year ago
It's so funny when a delusional person gets OWNED how they get all frantic and angry. Kind of like Donald Duck getting all hyper.
antibunker 1 year ago
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owned? owe my ass and your mom's vagina. You think you're so tough, you're just a frustrated nerd that believes any interesting rebel idea.
The idea is simple. Some treatments worked. SOME OF THEM. If you want to risk it, take the treatment, if not, don't.
If the world was filled with assholes like you we wouldn't even have modern medicine
dantheman1507 1 year ago
Yes you've been totally owned! I've totally blown homeopathy out of the water!
You claimed there's something to it, and I've made it impossible for anyone's claims like that to make it through.
Followed those link I provided below yet?
And what about all the points I made...
antibunker 1 year ago
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I'm not saying homeopathy works everytime, but why discredit it for the cases when it does.
dantheman1507 1 year ago
It never works, period. It can't work, because there's nothing in it.
antibunker 1 year ago
Great summary! Rock on!!
nasalhazel1 2 years ago 2
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3 Nobel Laureate scientists have done studies on high dilutions( similar to Homeopathic) and have proven their effects.
1. Hans Von Euler -
Nobel Laureate Chemistry 1929
2. Brian David Josephson -
Nobel Laureate Physics 1973
3. Luc Montagnier -
Nobel Laureate Physiology & Medicine 2009
mohanaturo 2 years ago
Is Stephen Hawking even directly researching string theory? I don't remember him ever saying anything about it.
superluser 2 years ago 2
I don't know, I suspect only indirectly. He didn't come up with the theory, which "Dr" Werner claims in her video.
jasonlpsmith 2 years ago
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homeopathy is not an exact science and indeed, doesn't work every time... but there are sufficient cases where it works even better the regular medicine;
I'm not saying it's better or that regular medicine should be ignored but they should be both checked out.
dantheman1507 2 years ago
Either provide credible references to your claim that it "sometimes works", or be condemned as a lying quack.
antibunker 2 years ago
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credible references? ask people who used it dumbass! there are thousands of cases that were healed by homeopathy treatments.
You can even cure throat infections by gargling salt water.
What the hell do you know about medicine?
dantheman1507 2 years ago
Placebo effect and anecdotal evidence you stupid moron!
There exists no scientifically sound evidence that homeopathy can work.
And consider how it is supposed to work. Taking an ingredient that doesn't have any proven values to begin with, and then diluting it to a point where there isn't a single molecule left.
"Water memory". rriigghtt.... No evidence or proof or even a working theory how that works.
I clearly know a HELL of a lot more about science and the scientific processes than you do.
antibunker 1 year ago
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You're am arrogant fuck! If the mechanism isn't know yet it doesn't mean it won't work.
How do you know that after a couple a years a mechanism is found for one of this homeopathic treatments.
You're a stupid little shit and you have no idea how many gaps there are in medicine. Researchers can't figure out some of the simplest and common things.
So unless you can find me proof the homeopathy is only based on placebos and statistics shut up and stop discrediting it.
dantheman1507 1 year ago
So, we're all supposed to buy into something that isn't known (yet). The only thing we do know about it so far that it is fantasy. And *I* am the "ignorant fuck"? Huh? That's rich!
The whole story behind homeopathy is a completely unscientific fairy tale from make believe land.
As for proof, there's plenty of proof that homeopathy never shows anything beyond placebo.
Memory water does not exist.
antibunker 1 year ago
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you stupid motherfucker, I'm not promoting this stuff, I'm just saying you shouldn't get so orgasmic on discrediting it.
If you don't believe if works don't buy it. I don't even buy it. And if there's proof, asshole, show me!
And by the way, the water memory thing is just a theory, a dumb one or not, it's not suppose to be the exact mechanism. It's only a theory, like my theory that your nuts have the size of coloid particles and that's why you're so frustrated. But I could be wrong...
dantheman1507 1 year ago
I'm trying to help put a stop to this quack of a lie. Or at least throw a wedge in it. It is not acceptable that crooks get to pass this pseudo scientific horse shot to