I still think that one of the ST:TNG movies should've used Q as either a foe or an important plot character... Would've been interesting to see how a bigger budget would've handled the Q Continuum!
Read the (non-canonical?) Star Trek novel Q-Squared. It brings Trelane into the 24th century as sort of a ... well, I don't want to spoil it, but he and Q know each other.
DeLancie, "It's kind of carrying that baton through time. My contribution is to continue that idea that started, very possibly, with Trelane." And he did it quite well. That's all fans really want, you know. Is for the new generation to continue the idea. It's that simple, really.
When I think of the Q my empression seems to go back to the episode from the original series with Charlie, and Charlie reminds me in some ways to how Amanda Q first started out before she came to grips that she was a Q.
Yes. Originally, Lauren Faust had conceived the character with Q as inspiration. An omnipotent prankster type character. When they were able to get John DeLancie to agree to voice Discord, however, the writers just said "to heck with it" and basically wrote Discord as Q.
DAMN BRONIES! I don't want to hear about fucking cartoon ponies on every video I watch. Neither Narutards nor Trekkies nor any other obsessed fans are so incessant. That show cannot possibly be so spectacular that it need consume so much of your life, and it ISN'T worth consuming mine over.
@Ragnark1: Yes, Discord is based on Q. In fact, the creators of MLP:FiM used Q as inspiration for Discord before they even knew they could get de Lancie to voice him. They thought he would be unavailable or too expensive, but he turned out to be available and affordable.
@jimbopumbapigsticks But as some have already said, even after Kirk shot the mirror and broke the machine, Trelane still had at least some of his powers. The machine may not have been the sole source of his powers, but perhaps some type of scanner or generator to augment his abilities.
@porpus99 I remember reading the back cover. Q begged Picard to help him with Trelane because "He's driving me crazy!!" and Picard laughed in Q's face.
Wow, I am such a bad trekkie.. when he said in this case it was Gene, for a few seconds I was thinking who is Jean? Don't worry, I already slapped myself.
I sorta see Trelane as a prepubescent Q and John's Q as a high school or college-aged Q. Loves to show off his knowledge, feels like he has some special privilege, and can seem like a completely irresponsible monster at times, but he does have a more developed sense of morality.
i cant NOT hate john de lancie. its nothing personal he just plays Q...and i hate Q...i know im supposed to hate Q and he does his job well to make me hate him. but i cant help but hate him. and he looks a bit like bill o'reily which just make me hate him more.
@tuseroni lol. When I first saw Encounter at Farpoint, I was truly taken by the character of Q. Even though I knew he was supposed to be "the bad guy" in that episode, I just couldn't hate him. :p I found him too interesting to hate. I knew even then that this "Q" would be a recurring character in the series. He was just too cool not to come back!
Trelane was a child Q, at the end of the episode you see it, he has parents and they were not happy with his child-like actions. Also it was really funny when kirk slapped him a couple times near the end haha :D
Q is Trelane! But the name had to be changed to avoid have to pay royalties to the written Paul Schneider. Just like T'pol was originally T'Pau, but changed so they would have to pay Theodore Sturgeon royalties.
Star Trek and many other shows have been ripping off their writers for years like this.
Trelane and Q have a lot of characteristics not in common. For example, Trelane tells Kirk that he has a lot of admiration for the human species. Q states the opposite, that humans are a 'savage child race,' 'non-entities,' 'foolish,' etc.
Trelane claims that his castle, etc., were built from pre-existing matter. In "Hide and Q," Q says that the 'pig soldiers' were created from nothingness.
Lastly, the crew judged Trelane to NOT be 'all-knowledgeable'; Q has said that he is.
@terminat1 I know this is quite a late reply, but in the Voyager ep Death Wish, Quinn states that the Q are not omnipotent. In fact, it's also often hinted that they are not, in fact, all-knowing. They are just far more advanced than humans, so we don't understand how they do things. Also, Q is incredibly arrogant and theatrical. I really wouldn't be surprised if he fudged things a bit to make it look more impressive, so it's very possible that the soldiers were made from pre-existing matter.
@TarielOfLorien Q told Amanda Rogers that the Q can do 'anything we want.' On more than one occasion, Q has claimed to be omnipotent. So, it comes down to whether the testimony of a 'lifer' Q can be trusted, or whether the testimony of a disgruntled Q, who no longer wants to be a Q, can be trusted.
Frankly, nothing in any episode has indicated that the Q are not omnipotent, OTHER than their lack of omnipotence concerning fellow Q.
Trelane made an error with time, can you see a Q doing that?
@terminat1 It always appeared to me that Quinn could be more trustworthy, because he was disgruntled. At that point he wasn't trying to spare his fellow Q or hide any weaknesses they may have. His words were something like 'no matter what the Q would have you believe,.' I think a key episode in understanding the Q is 'Hide and Q' where Q implies that the human race will someday become like the Q, which seems more like technological advancement than becoming omnipotent. Also, Trelane was a child.
@TarielOfLorien Well, that's what happens when imperfect writers create a TV character. Clearly, there are contradictory statements about the Q. In "Hide and Q," Q was concerned that humanity might someday exceed the Q. But this is clearly not possible, if the Q are truly omnipotent. The best humanity could do is equal the Q.
And what about Organians, Borg, Nagilum, Douwd, etc.,---beings that are all currently superior to humanity? Should they not also be able to someday exceed the Q?
@terminat1 Of course, if the Q were truly omnipotent, it would be impossible to exceed them. That's exactly what I mean. If Q was concerned that the human race would exceed the Q, they must not be truly omnipotent. As for other species, I hadn't thought of that, but many Q have stated what makes humans different is their curiosity and ingenuity. 'They roam over the galaxy searching for something they know not what.' The Borg do not have that, and we don't know who else the Q have approached.
@TarielOfLorien It's too bad that such a blatant contradiction is amongst the Q episodes, when there's only what, 12 of them?
Technically, I just thought of this, humans can't exceed the Q, if Q has something to say about it. Q can easily slow human progress (or any other species' progress) to 1/1,000,000th the speed that they'd normally go, and so, instead of, say, exceeding the Q in 5 million years, they'd exceed the Q in 5 trillion years. Or, the Q could simply erase any race from existence.
@terminat1 So true about the contradictions, and I did notice that a fresh batch cropped up with the Voyager episodes.
I start to wonder how much trouble Q would get in with the Continuum if he wiped an entire race out of existence. I mean, they turned him mortal for just wreaking too much havok for fun. But completely changing the cosmos? It's certainly worth thinking about.
@TarielOfLorien I wonder what the Q thought of the Douwd's extermination of the Husnock. Frankly, I'm kind of surprised that such action was levied against Q just for 'wreaking havoc.' Knocking planets out of orbit, changing Klingons into fish, and creating spatial anomalies could be fixed by other Q as easily as humans can erase a misspelling in pencil. It's nothing to them.
Turning a Q mortal is basically the equivalent of putting a human into a deep coma. Punishment doesn't seem to fit.
@terminat1 I agree. Maybe there was more to it. Of course, Q would never admit he had done anything wrong, so we'll probably never know. But really, if you think of Q's dealings with the Enterprise, he got them into trouble, but he usually got them out of it. Or made them think some to get out of it. There was always a lesson to be learned, a mental barrier to be torn down, so it was ultimately a good association for the crew, albeit an irritating one. I wonder how he was with other species.
@TarielOfLorien The Enterprise did learn from Q's visits, especially learning about the Borg. Probably the 18 crewmembers who died indirectly at Q's hands would disagree that the association was a good one, but the others might concur. I think Q tormented other species. Even the Enterprise was tormented indirectly in "Q Who," and we know Q tormented the Calamarain. In "Deja Q," Riker says that 'protecting Q' would be a life-long mission (something like that), and this implies Q tormented many.
@TarielOfLorien In All Good Things it's implied that everything Q did to the Enterprise-D (except for maybe Deja Q and True Q) was a continuation of the "trial of humanity" he started in Encounter at Farpoint. His interest in Picard was purely due to the trial, and the deaths and disasters (and introduction to the Borg!) were ultimately in humanity's interest so they could, millennia from now, become like the Q.
Voyager and DS9 were incidental run-ins (Vash, Quinn) and the aftermath of that.
@TimThomason agreed, Q really was acting AGAINST his peoples whishes by actually helping humanity. Had he not done what he did, mankind would have been destroyed by the Borg, AND Picard would have destoryed humanity without Qs helping hand.
@terminat1 Trelane was a child, so he didnt have the same attitudes as Q. and you and I are humans, but that doesnt mean we hold the same opinions about other races or species. Just because the CREW claim him to be not all-knowing doesnt mean that he wont become. And again, the pig soldiers thing, Q is all hubris, Trelane was simply explaining how they do what they do, Q was grand standing. Again, dont take things so literally when watching a show, use some outside reasoning.
@johnkerry7 You can make those claims, but I think that if we look honestly and objectively, then we have to admit that Trelane is probably not a Q.
Also, we've never seen a Q go by a different moniker other than 'Q,' and living outside of the Continuum was not permitted (unless usage of the powers were restrained). You can argue that Trelane wasn't on the planet long, but there's no proof of that.
Also, Trelane needed a machine, he was shown to be fallible, etc.
@terminat1 he did not need a machine. The "machine" gets destroyed early in the episode and you clearly see him use his powers. He even teases Kirk about Kirks foolishness to think that a machine is/was the only thing Trelane needed. And clearly Trelane was not using his powers the way he should have been because he gets punished by his parents at the end of the show. So there really is no reason to believe he is not a Q. and just because he was called something else is simple to explain because
@terminat1 the term Q wasnt coined until almost 20+ years later with TNG. Hell, even the canon of the shows timeline wasnt settled until much later, even the name the united federation of planet wasnt established until later in TOS. So to argue based on what the character was called is unfair as TOS came well before TNG has even been thought of. BUT you can do the opposite and look back at the Squire of Gothos for similarities BECAUSE TNG was made well after TOS, so any traits could have been
@johnkerry7 I'm sorry, I just think that Trelane made too many mistakes to be considered a Q. His created food and wine had no taste, and his fire had no heat. Q's baby son had already been taught how to knock small planets out of orbit, so why can't Trelane do something which should be much easier?
Also, why aren't Organians, Metrons, Nagilum, Edo god, etc., considered Qs? All of these races 'toyed' with the Enterprise and yet nobody thinks they're at Q's level.
He shows them something so powerful and his way is simply the question for them, "do you want to be like me, also when I feel that you want to be like me all the time, do you really want to be like that. That joke you want to be." But when someone ever said yes to become a Q or to become a part of the Continuum, it suddenly changes to dead serious issues and you see that this joky childy behaviour is only something the chosen ones have to see through. It is to seperate the real from the fake.
And maybe because of that, they did not like to "be same funny as he is, being so powerful but suddenly being just like a joke", I think it is merely about that conflict in Q, to have that powers but still not being so powerful that he does not have to appear as a human, does not have to visit the people, has to teach and test them with his "games" and maybe that shall represent his fault in contact witht he humans, that he tried it this way and not the way of the old wise priest or mentor.
Trelane being a juvenile Q would seem to make the most sense, judging by the fact that he had not yet manifested his races full arsenal of abilitys. He depended on his technology to some extent. The beings who came to retrieve him later (his parents) seemed to have put trelane on gothos as a punishment for his poor behavior.
Actually I remember some years ago reading one of the Star Trek novels, a TOS/TNG crossover which showed that Trelane was indeed a juvenile and renegade Q and the John DeLancie Q was his father. It was completely non-canon of course, but still fit pretty well.
The Squire of Gothos also has the best lines ever written for ST where Spock says I object to intellect without discipline I object to power without constructive purpose
@sondano I dont think I like your tone. Its quite challenging. Is that what your doing?Challenging me? SWEET episode. I love the statues there, you can see an alien that was used in another episode.
Just finished Q squared a few days ago. It was really interesting...don't try to read it in more than one sitting though. Then it'll just get really confusing.
i just listened to the audio book "Q Squared" read by John De Lancie and in it Trelane is a younger Q and John's Q is in charge of keeping an eye on him.
That might be true, I do accept Enterprise, but a lot of fans (such as myself) choose to ignore the new film as part of the canon. We just consider it a reboot separate from the other 5 series regardless of what Paramount said. I guess the important thing is just to enjoy the story.
@sagaras76 Interesting, John wrote a book called "IQ" and in that book the entity in ST:V from the 'M continuum' gets a very young Q in trouble and it explains how the 'ribbon' in Star Trek: Generations gets created and how and why the entity in Trek: V gets imprisoned in the center of the galaxy.
It seemed to me that Trelane was a Q. He was omnipotent. I thought of Q as a child. When he doesn't get his way, he is mad, when he is about to lose he changes the rules. But where would any of the later Star Treks be without him? He was a perfect foil for Picard. He made DS9 interesting and then Q wanted Janeway to be the mother of his child was hilarious! I would have loved to see him show up just once in Enterprise, maybe the show wouldn't have flopped so hard!
Nah. Mr. "Jogathon Archaic" would just pace around, look angry/constipated, and yell at Q, like he did with every single person and alien he met on the show, his crew included.
Q: HELLO! I'm here to do something!
Johnny: I'm angry already for some reason. You have different opinions than me. Grrr. *paces back and forth*
Yeah, I don't think even Q could have saved that show.
@3wiccan3 No, I would not say he is like a child, he is playing, he is acting, he is doing what he likes, he has his powers and knew that this is something very hard for others, as they actually really want same powers on their own (yet it is ST that they always say no, this and that, and the show had to go on like that) and for not being too "hard" sometimes he tries to bring that certain humor into the game, that "me better whatever man, can everything, but isn't that just funny, like a joke?"
@3wiccan3 You've misjudged Q. He may be arrogant, but there's always a higher lesson to be learned from him. He only appears to be misguided, there's usually a truer purpose the crew ends up learning. With the exception of the episode in which Q became human, that episode reversed the motif; In that episode Q learned the lessons, he was at the mercy of the Enterprise crew, etc, etc. In one way, Q is a lot like the character of the Traveler from TNG; Unconventional but knowledgeable.
Q & John DeLancie was the best thing to happen to TNG. At 1st, he's judgemental & superior, then he's kind of Joker - ish, then he takes an almost anthropological interest in humans & allied species.
The only thing wrong is that Q tries to lump all sentient species - Humans, Klingons, Romulans, etc. - together under the label Human. Kinda like taing America, France, Britain, Canada etc., & calling everyone " American ".
Wikipedia tells me that Gene Roddenberry had full control over the first season of the Next Generation, but due to a WGA strike, he had to let go. Because of health issues, he would not be able to resume his role after the strike.
Oh - I remember that now. I'm glad he had as much control of the series he did - I mean, I'd like another Star Trek series on tv - but I don't think it would be the same - in fact I'm quite positive it wouldn't.
Indeed there was a lot of influence. the second episode of TNG was called The Naked Now, based on the TOS ep, The Naked Time. Also in TNG's first season there were a lot of one off encounters with aliens and planets. I believe they were trying to make TNG different, but not too different from TOS so that people would like it.
@doctorlinden Several of the episodes from the first two seasons of TNG were unused scripts from the cancelled "Star Trek 2" series. They proposed it but Paramount nixed it and the pilot was developed into ST: TMP.
You're right, there were a lot of references to the old series at the beginning of the new one (Dr McCoy even appears in the first episode). And it was the only reference point they had at the time, so it's natural that they would use it as a source of inspiration.
That's true. I suppose it's easy to look back in hindsight and say what I say now - but at the time - there was nothing like the next generation. it really was ahead of its time - I guess I just mean that Gene's influence was really felt in the first two seasons and then after that not so much. . .
I seem to remember reading a novel that basically states that Trelane was indeed a Q.....but it is NOT official canon. However, the very first time I saw Q on TNG, and I saw what the Q continuum was all about, Trelane popped straight into mind. How could he not?
I personally like to think of Trelane as part of the continuum....canon not allowing and all.
The novel in question is "Q²" (or "Q Squared") by Peter David. Basically, in that novel, Trelane was a child Q that DeLancies Q had to baby-sit, and called on Picard for help.
Peter David portrayed Trelane as adult human in physical form, but a child in emotional development, as he was in the original series (though of course not revealed to be a Q in the original series). As a child, he needed equipment to boost his power.
All of this was made non-continuity by Voyager, with Q's son q.
Another great early Peter David novel involving Q (but not Trelane) is "Q-in-Law."
Picard's worst imaginable nightmare scenario, and it took Peter David to think of it and exploit it to the hilt.
Just imagine:
Q, •and• Lwaxana Troi, on the Enterprise-D at the same time!
Remember, at that time, Lwaxana was going through that Betazed menopausal phase in which her sexual drive was quadrupled! Given that we know that shes especially drawn to powerful men, guess who she latches onto?
Same here. That's why I got so excited when I saw "The Squire of Gothos". He has to be one of the Q. Just when Kirk thought he'd destroyed Trelane's sole source of power, he realized he was more powerful than he'd imagined. Very cool. I wish we'd seen more of this character, but at least Peter David explored a good deal of the idea that Trelane was a part of the q continuum. That really sated my hunger for more, I think.
Great video! I always thought there was some kind of connection between Q and Trelane. Thanks so much for posting!
Has anyone ever read Peter David's Trek novel "Q-Squared?" If not, I'd definitely recommend it, because I have, more than once, and the story has a lot of background on both characters.
Man, I haven't read that in years...but a great book if I remember. It just makes sense that these two characters would be brought together like that.
In some novels and fanfiction, Trelane is a member of the Q Continuum who was more Rogue and dangerous than Q himself.
TheSecondEvolution 9 hours ago
Q should have saved data at the end of nemeses. And them look at Picard on the bridge and say "SUPRISE!!!"
desiduds 3 days ago
I still think that one of the ST:TNG movies should've used Q as either a foe or an important plot character... Would've been interesting to see how a bigger budget would've handled the Q Continuum!
kelvarius 1 week ago
Q (John de lancie) is one my favorite characters in Star Trek
ClassicOldies4ever 1 month ago
is trelane a q also? or was he
locutus340 2 months ago
@locutus340 in one of the books it is pointed out that trelane was an infant q.
ShellySummers 1 month ago
@ShellySummers you mean one of the first q's? not like a baby q?
locutus340 1 month ago
@locutus340 He was the first appearance of a Q. Also he was a child Q.
ShellySummers 1 month ago
@locutus340 Q-Squared it gives a bit of the story here.
ShellySummers 1 month ago
From the original Star Trek episode, it looks like Gene Roddenberry wrote a story called, "Capt. Kirk meets Liberace".
SirReal1958 2 months ago
This guy did one of the best characters of all the Star Treks. I would like to meet him in person someday.
satanicmechanic86 2 months ago
One of the best characters of ST universe. Honestly, I can think only of Data, the EMH, Barclay and Spock who can compare to the awesomeness of Q
msinvincible2000 2 months ago
Read the (non-canonical?) Star Trek novel Q-Squared. It brings Trelane into the 24th century as sort of a ... well, I don't want to spoil it, but he and Q know each other.
PaperbackWizard 2 months ago
DeLancie, "It's kind of carrying that baton through time. My contribution is to continue that idea that started, very possibly, with Trelane." And he did it quite well. That's all fans really want, you know. Is for the new generation to continue the idea. It's that simple, really.
1964nickel 3 months ago
He looks like a better looking Gary Schandling. Acts better too.
NevadaWrangler 3 months ago
The first Next Generation episode introduced us to Q. Any half Trekkie at the time immediately recognized this as Trelane, I know I did :)
abaneyone 3 months ago
When I think of the Q my empression seems to go back to the episode from the original series with Charlie, and Charlie reminds me in some ways to how Amanda Q first started out before she came to grips that she was a Q.
SunTrapped 5 months ago
Is Discord based off Q?
Ragnark1 5 months ago 25
@Ragnark1 NO.
DementedStudios9007 5 months ago
@Ragnark1 He is fucking Q in a different form.
trekker123eski 5 months ago 3
@Ragnark1 I think he kind of is. But only because John is voicing him.
peronkop 5 months ago
@Ragnark1 Lauren Faust is quoted as saying that she did base discord off of Q.
RottingDragon 4 months ago
@Ragnark1
Yes. Originally, Lauren Faust had conceived the character with Q as inspiration. An omnipotent prankster type character. When they were able to get John DeLancie to agree to voice Discord, however, the writers just said "to heck with it" and basically wrote Discord as Q.
Skyblade12 2 months ago
@Ragnark1 Yes
XBird27 2 months ago
DAMN BRONIES! I don't want to hear about fucking cartoon ponies on every video I watch. Neither Narutards nor Trekkies nor any other obsessed fans are so incessant. That show cannot possibly be so spectacular that it need consume so much of your life, and it ISN'T worth consuming mine over.
waldoman7 2 months ago
@waldoman7 Your salty tears are delicious
TarielMaeda 2 months ago
@TarielMaeda
indeed! I must wonder if there is such a cruel motivation, because otherwise their behavior is inexplicable.
waldoman7 2 months ago
@Ragnark1 Indeed! Apparently Lauren Faust thought up the idea of Discord after watching a TNG marathon. :D
ShadowNeedsAHug 2 months ago
@Ragnark1: Yes, Discord is based on Q. In fact, the creators of MLP:FiM used Q as inspiration for Discord before they even knew they could get de Lancie to voice him. They thought he would be unavailable or too expensive, but he turned out to be available and affordable.
JMarchOHare 1 month ago 2
I could see that. :)
Deadmansparty2002 6 months ago
Trelane couldn't really be a Q, as he depended on that machine behind the mirror. A real Q wouldn't need that.
jimbopumbapigsticks 6 months ago
@jimbopumbapigsticks But as some have already said, even after Kirk shot the mirror and broke the machine, Trelane still had at least some of his powers. The machine may not have been the sole source of his powers, but perhaps some type of scanner or generator to augment his abilities.
srp58704 6 months ago
@srp58704 But a Q wouldn't need that anyway, even a "young" one. Q Junior didn't need a machine to use his powers on Voyager.
jimbopumbapigsticks 6 months ago
@jimbopumbapigsticks training wheels of a sort, perhaps?
crimsontowers 4 months ago
Maybe they actually were the same Q. Q was grown-up in TNG.
DarthRushy 6 months ago
trelane and q are part of the q continum
luigi19987 7 months ago
Funny thing is, someone wrote a Star Trek book where Q met Trelane, while the Enterprise D was in the middle.
porpus99 7 months ago
@porpus99 I remember reading the back cover. Q begged Picard to help him with Trelane because "He's driving me crazy!!" and Picard laughed in Q's face.
acer3573 5 months ago
John DeLancie was awesome in Breaking bad. I love him as Q, but all around great actor
BonScottAC 7 months ago
It's now cannon that Trelane is a Q.
japstoryeditor 9 months ago
@japstoryeditor No its not
yellowpete79 8 months ago
@japstoryeditor
Cannon: A large, heavy piece of artillery, typically mounted on wheels, formerly used in warfare.
Canon: Official part of the mythos of a fictional world.
TheBoltVanderhuge 7 months ago
The first time I saw the Q it reminded me of Trelane so not a surprise he would compare them.
hydrolito 9 months ago
Wow, I am such a bad trekkie.. when he said in this case it was Gene, for a few seconds I was thinking who is Jean? Don't worry, I already slapped myself.
Deanbass77 10 months ago
I didn't even think about this until I saw this. Trelane, or at least the way he is written and portrayed, is indeed a lot like Q.
SSPerfectChaos 11 months ago
I sorta see Trelane as a prepubescent Q and John's Q as a high school or college-aged Q. Loves to show off his knowledge, feels like he has some special privilege, and can seem like a completely irresponsible monster at times, but he does have a more developed sense of morality.
Wizardington 1 year ago
i cant NOT hate john de lancie. its nothing personal he just plays Q...and i hate Q...i know im supposed to hate Q and he does his job well to make me hate him. but i cant help but hate him. and he looks a bit like bill o'reily which just make me hate him more.
tuseroni 1 year ago
@tuseroni lol. When I first saw Encounter at Farpoint, I was truly taken by the character of Q. Even though I knew he was supposed to be "the bad guy" in that episode, I just couldn't hate him. :p I found him too interesting to hate. I knew even then that this "Q" would be a recurring character in the series. He was just too cool not to come back!
terrywest111 3 months ago
I am surprised there was no ultimate Q movie with a return of an adult Trelane.
They were great characters.
MottTheWot 1 year ago
Trelane was a child Q, at the end of the episode you see it, he has parents and they were not happy with his child-like actions. Also it was really funny when kirk slapped him a couple times near the end haha :D
charliepossenriede 1 year ago 2
WHERE DID YOU GET THIS INTERVIEW FROM??????
startrekkin1701 1 year ago 7
@startrekkin1701 it was on one of my tng dvds. i don't remember which season, though i think (i think) it was season 1.
paulmr1983 1 year ago
@paulmr1983 Thanks!!!! :)
startrekkin1701 1 year ago
@paulmr1983 Says season 7 at the beginning of the video where De Lancie is introduced.
smellincoffee 10 months ago
Q is Trelane! But the name had to be changed to avoid have to pay royalties to the written Paul Schneider. Just like T'pol was originally T'Pau, but changed so they would have to pay Theodore Sturgeon royalties.
Star Trek and many other shows have been ripping off their writers for years like this.
jeminijem1 1 year ago
Trelane was a "child". If you remember, at the end of the episode, his parents tell him to stop playing. And Kirk says that he was a nasty kid.
Q is an adult, so ha can't really be compared to Trelane
msinvincible2000 1 year ago
I think Trelane was at least part Q but not full Q because he still need his mirror
weinmj 1 year ago
@weinmj Remember Trelane is a child so his powers may not be full developed yet.
Sailorsega 1 year ago
@Sailorsega true
weinmj 1 year ago
when i saw that episode i immediately thought of q
atypicalcalifornian 1 year ago
Trelane and Q have a lot of characteristics not in common. For example, Trelane tells Kirk that he has a lot of admiration for the human species. Q states the opposite, that humans are a 'savage child race,' 'non-entities,' 'foolish,' etc.
Trelane claims that his castle, etc., were built from pre-existing matter. In "Hide and Q," Q says that the 'pig soldiers' were created from nothingness.
Lastly, the crew judged Trelane to NOT be 'all-knowledgeable'; Q has said that he is.
terminat1 1 year ago
@terminat1 I know this is quite a late reply, but in the Voyager ep Death Wish, Quinn states that the Q are not omnipotent. In fact, it's also often hinted that they are not, in fact, all-knowing. They are just far more advanced than humans, so we don't understand how they do things. Also, Q is incredibly arrogant and theatrical. I really wouldn't be surprised if he fudged things a bit to make it look more impressive, so it's very possible that the soldiers were made from pre-existing matter.
TarielOfLorien 1 year ago
@TarielOfLorien Q told Amanda Rogers that the Q can do 'anything we want.' On more than one occasion, Q has claimed to be omnipotent. So, it comes down to whether the testimony of a 'lifer' Q can be trusted, or whether the testimony of a disgruntled Q, who no longer wants to be a Q, can be trusted.
Frankly, nothing in any episode has indicated that the Q are not omnipotent, OTHER than their lack of omnipotence concerning fellow Q.
Trelane made an error with time, can you see a Q doing that?
terminat1 1 year ago
@terminat1 It always appeared to me that Quinn could be more trustworthy, because he was disgruntled. At that point he wasn't trying to spare his fellow Q or hide any weaknesses they may have. His words were something like 'no matter what the Q would have you believe,.' I think a key episode in understanding the Q is 'Hide and Q' where Q implies that the human race will someday become like the Q, which seems more like technological advancement than becoming omnipotent. Also, Trelane was a child.
TarielOfLorien 1 year ago
@TarielOfLorien Well, that's what happens when imperfect writers create a TV character. Clearly, there are contradictory statements about the Q. In "Hide and Q," Q was concerned that humanity might someday exceed the Q. But this is clearly not possible, if the Q are truly omnipotent. The best humanity could do is equal the Q.
And what about Organians, Borg, Nagilum, Douwd, etc.,---beings that are all currently superior to humanity? Should they not also be able to someday exceed the Q?
terminat1 1 year ago
@terminat1 Of course, if the Q were truly omnipotent, it would be impossible to exceed them. That's exactly what I mean. If Q was concerned that the human race would exceed the Q, they must not be truly omnipotent. As for other species, I hadn't thought of that, but many Q have stated what makes humans different is their curiosity and ingenuity. 'They roam over the galaxy searching for something they know not what.' The Borg do not have that, and we don't know who else the Q have approached.
TarielOfLorien 1 year ago
@TarielOfLorien It's too bad that such a blatant contradiction is amongst the Q episodes, when there's only what, 12 of them?
Technically, I just thought of this, humans can't exceed the Q, if Q has something to say about it. Q can easily slow human progress (or any other species' progress) to 1/1,000,000th the speed that they'd normally go, and so, instead of, say, exceeding the Q in 5 million years, they'd exceed the Q in 5 trillion years. Or, the Q could simply erase any race from existence.
terminat1 1 year ago
@terminat1 So true about the contradictions, and I did notice that a fresh batch cropped up with the Voyager episodes.
I start to wonder how much trouble Q would get in with the Continuum if he wiped an entire race out of existence. I mean, they turned him mortal for just wreaking too much havok for fun. But completely changing the cosmos? It's certainly worth thinking about.
TarielOfLorien 1 year ago
@TarielOfLorien I wonder what the Q thought of the Douwd's extermination of the Husnock. Frankly, I'm kind of surprised that such action was levied against Q just for 'wreaking havoc.' Knocking planets out of orbit, changing Klingons into fish, and creating spatial anomalies could be fixed by other Q as easily as humans can erase a misspelling in pencil. It's nothing to them.
Turning a Q mortal is basically the equivalent of putting a human into a deep coma. Punishment doesn't seem to fit.
terminat1 1 year ago
@terminat1 I agree. Maybe there was more to it. Of course, Q would never admit he had done anything wrong, so we'll probably never know. But really, if you think of Q's dealings with the Enterprise, he got them into trouble, but he usually got them out of it. Or made them think some to get out of it. There was always a lesson to be learned, a mental barrier to be torn down, so it was ultimately a good association for the crew, albeit an irritating one. I wonder how he was with other species.
TarielOfLorien 1 year ago
@TarielOfLorien The Enterprise did learn from Q's visits, especially learning about the Borg. Probably the 18 crewmembers who died indirectly at Q's hands would disagree that the association was a good one, but the others might concur. I think Q tormented other species. Even the Enterprise was tormented indirectly in "Q Who," and we know Q tormented the Calamarain. In "Deja Q," Riker says that 'protecting Q' would be a life-long mission (something like that), and this implies Q tormented many.
terminat1 1 year ago
@TarielOfLorien In All Good Things it's implied that everything Q did to the Enterprise-D (except for maybe Deja Q and True Q) was a continuation of the "trial of humanity" he started in Encounter at Farpoint. His interest in Picard was purely due to the trial, and the deaths and disasters (and introduction to the Borg!) were ultimately in humanity's interest so they could, millennia from now, become like the Q.
Voyager and DS9 were incidental run-ins (Vash, Quinn) and the aftermath of that.
TimThomason 11 months ago
@TimThomason agreed, Q really was acting AGAINST his peoples whishes by actually helping humanity. Had he not done what he did, mankind would have been destroyed by the Borg, AND Picard would have destoryed humanity without Qs helping hand.
johnkerry7 1 month ago
@terminat1 Trelane was a child, so he didnt have the same attitudes as Q. and you and I are humans, but that doesnt mean we hold the same opinions about other races or species. Just because the CREW claim him to be not all-knowing doesnt mean that he wont become. And again, the pig soldiers thing, Q is all hubris, Trelane was simply explaining how they do what they do, Q was grand standing. Again, dont take things so literally when watching a show, use some outside reasoning.
johnkerry7 1 month ago
@johnkerry7 You can make those claims, but I think that if we look honestly and objectively, then we have to admit that Trelane is probably not a Q.
Also, we've never seen a Q go by a different moniker other than 'Q,' and living outside of the Continuum was not permitted (unless usage of the powers were restrained). You can argue that Trelane wasn't on the planet long, but there's no proof of that.
Also, Trelane needed a machine, he was shown to be fallible, etc.
terminat1 1 month ago
@terminat1 he did not need a machine. The "machine" gets destroyed early in the episode and you clearly see him use his powers. He even teases Kirk about Kirks foolishness to think that a machine is/was the only thing Trelane needed. And clearly Trelane was not using his powers the way he should have been because he gets punished by his parents at the end of the show. So there really is no reason to believe he is not a Q. and just because he was called something else is simple to explain because
johnkerry7 1 month ago
@terminat1 the term Q wasnt coined until almost 20+ years later with TNG. Hell, even the canon of the shows timeline wasnt settled until much later, even the name the united federation of planet wasnt established until later in TOS. So to argue based on what the character was called is unfair as TOS came well before TNG has even been thought of. BUT you can do the opposite and look back at the Squire of Gothos for similarities BECAUSE TNG was made well after TOS, so any traits could have been
johnkerry7 1 month ago
@johnkerry7 I'm sorry, I just think that Trelane made too many mistakes to be considered a Q. His created food and wine had no taste, and his fire had no heat. Q's baby son had already been taught how to knock small planets out of orbit, so why can't Trelane do something which should be much easier?
Also, why aren't Organians, Metrons, Nagilum, Edo god, etc., considered Qs? All of these races 'toyed' with the Enterprise and yet nobody thinks they're at Q's level.
terminat1 1 month ago
@terminat1 built upon from TOS.
johnkerry7 1 month ago
Trelane used a machine to do his "magic", so in my eyes he's not a Q.
racefan32 1 year ago
@racefan32 Kirk assumed that Trelane used a machine and then destroyed the machine. but Trelane still had his powers after that.
bgphantom3 1 year ago
He shows them something so powerful and his way is simply the question for them, "do you want to be like me, also when I feel that you want to be like me all the time, do you really want to be like that. That joke you want to be." But when someone ever said yes to become a Q or to become a part of the Continuum, it suddenly changes to dead serious issues and you see that this joky childy behaviour is only something the chosen ones have to see through. It is to seperate the real from the fake.
io1011001 1 year ago
And maybe because of that, they did not like to "be same funny as he is, being so powerful but suddenly being just like a joke", I think it is merely about that conflict in Q, to have that powers but still not being so powerful that he does not have to appear as a human, does not have to visit the people, has to teach and test them with his "games" and maybe that shall represent his fault in contact witht he humans, that he tried it this way and not the way of the old wise priest or mentor.
io1011001 1 year ago
I could so listen to John De Lancie talk all day
claricevane 1 year ago 4
Q is one of my favorite characters from the Star Trek TNG series. :D
DarrylBrady1978 1 year ago
Trelane being a juvenile Q would seem to make the most sense, judging by the fact that he had not yet manifested his races full arsenal of abilitys. He depended on his technology to some extent. The beings who came to retrieve him later (his parents) seemed to have put trelane on gothos as a punishment for his poor behavior.
TheJamesrocket 1 year ago
Actually I remember some years ago reading one of the Star Trek novels, a TOS/TNG crossover which showed that Trelane was indeed a juvenile and renegade Q and the John DeLancie Q was his father. It was completely non-canon of course, but still fit pretty well.
FerretJohn 1 year ago
I think this contributes to the reason atheists, and people like me, see God the way we do, because I always watched star trek as a young boy
tgz1000 1 year ago
Everytime I see Squire Tralaine (and now Q), I can't help but remember the superb Futurama spoof
Fry: All this time we thought he was a powerful superbeing, but he was just a child
Alien: He's not a child, he's 34!
KingofKlubs 1 year ago
The Squire of Gothos also has the best lines ever written for ST where Spock says I object to intellect without discipline I object to power without constructive purpose
sondano 1 year ago
@sondano I dont think I like your tone. Its quite challenging. Is that what your doing?Challenging me? SWEET episode. I love the statues there, you can see an alien that was used in another episode.
Sodiumreactor 1 year ago
Just finished Q squared a few days ago. It was really interesting...don't try to read it in more than one sitting though. Then it'll just get really confusing.
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BigAndTall666 2 years ago
Q Squared was a good book.
Read it, don't listen to it.
hossrex 2 years ago 3
nice video.
sbmrunning 2 years ago 2
i just listened to the audio book "Q Squared" read by John De Lancie and in it Trelane is a younger Q and John's Q is in charge of keeping an eye on him.
sagaras76 2 years ago 34
I like that book, very well made.
edusuntrebor 2 years ago 3
I read that! In fact, with my first paycheck I brought that very Book.
ElysionGear 2 years ago 2
That's an AWESOME book!!
cyberiouse 2 years ago 2
I got the text versionyears ago. Amazing story.
cancerman50 2 years ago 2
@sagaras76 Just remember, the novels are not part of the canon.
TheManiacOnWheelsUSA 1 year ago
@TheManiacOnWheelsUSA
Good point - neither is the new JJ Abrams film IMO.
KIFulgore 1 year ago
@KIFulgore Paramount, the original copyright owner, stated that novels are not canon. However, anything on screen is.
Therefore the new movie, and Enterprise (which was set 100 years too early based on what was stated in a previous series) are now part of the canon.
TheManiacOnWheelsUSA 1 year ago
@TheManiacOnWheelsUSA
That might be true, I do accept Enterprise, but a lot of fans (such as myself) choose to ignore the new film as part of the canon. We just consider it a reboot separate from the other 5 series regardless of what Paramount said. I guess the important thing is just to enjoy the story.
KIFulgore 1 year ago
@sagaras76 I read the paperback; Peter David did a fantastic job of knitting two disparate ideas (Trelane & Q) into one believable concept.
TroyConvers5000 1 year ago 2
@sagaras76 I always thought Trelane was a Q. It makes sense. I read and I think it might have been "Q Squared" that Q was Trelanes actual father.
auntbecky 10 months ago
@sagaras76 Interesting, John wrote a book called "IQ" and in that book the entity in ST:V from the 'M continuum' gets a very young Q in trouble and it explains how the 'ribbon' in Star Trek: Generations gets created and how and why the entity in Trek: V gets imprisoned in the center of the galaxy.
eyeofbast 6 months ago
You know, I'm not sure, but I think I saw the guy who played Trelane playing a Klingon in The Trouble With Tribbles.
hentaitrek 2 years ago 2
you did....William Campbell was the actor
jaw1701 2 years ago 5
It seemed to me that Trelane was a Q. He was omnipotent. I thought of Q as a child. When he doesn't get his way, he is mad, when he is about to lose he changes the rules. But where would any of the later Star Treks be without him? He was a perfect foil for Picard. He made DS9 interesting and then Q wanted Janeway to be the mother of his child was hilarious! I would have loved to see him show up just once in Enterprise, maybe the show wouldn't have flopped so hard!
3wiccan3 2 years ago 27
Nah. Mr. "Jogathon Archaic" would just pace around, look angry/constipated, and yell at Q, like he did with every single person and alien he met on the show, his crew included.
Q: HELLO! I'm here to do something!
Johnny: I'm angry already for some reason. You have different opinions than me. Grrr. *paces back and forth*
Yeah, I don't think even Q could have saved that show.
kvn8907 2 years ago 5
@3wiccan3 No, I would not say he is like a child, he is playing, he is acting, he is doing what he likes, he has his powers and knew that this is something very hard for others, as they actually really want same powers on their own (yet it is ST that they always say no, this and that, and the show had to go on like that) and for not being too "hard" sometimes he tries to bring that certain humor into the game, that "me better whatever man, can everything, but isn't that just funny, like a joke?"
io1011001 1 year ago
@3wiccan3 You've misjudged Q. He may be arrogant, but there's always a higher lesson to be learned from him. He only appears to be misguided, there's usually a truer purpose the crew ends up learning. With the exception of the episode in which Q became human, that episode reversed the motif; In that episode Q learned the lessons, he was at the mercy of the Enterprise crew, etc, etc. In one way, Q is a lot like the character of the Traveler from TNG; Unconventional but knowledgeable.
DOHC2L 1 year ago
@3wiccan3 yes it would have.
bjs3171 4 months ago
Am I the only one who gets the sense of Tom Hanks in a sci-fi version whenever I see/hear Mr. De Lancie. Seriously!
Caribloo 2 years ago 2
Not usually, but in this video where he's a bit older and wrinklier, I was definately getting a Tom Hanks vibe.
kvn8907 2 years ago
Tom Hanks meets Garry Shandling...no?
Caribloo 2 years ago 6
True true. :-)
kvn8907 2 years ago
lol for sure
DH2020 2 years ago
Gotta love the Q's.
SidNightWalker 2 years ago 6
Q & John DeLancie was the best thing to happen to TNG. At 1st, he's judgemental & superior, then he's kind of Joker - ish, then he takes an almost anthropological interest in humans & allied species.
The only thing wrong is that Q tries to lump all sentient species - Humans, Klingons, Romulans, etc. - together under the label Human. Kinda like taing America, France, Britain, Canada etc., & calling everyone " American ".
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magdalenrivetgjf 2 years ago
He Kind of looks like Tom Hanks and reminds me of him ..
scarlett24ca 2 years ago 4
Is it me? Or in the first season of TNG was there alot of influence by TOS? Not just Q's character but everything. . .
KryptoPal 2 years ago 5
Wikipedia tells me that Gene Roddenberry had full control over the first season of the Next Generation, but due to a WGA strike, he had to let go. Because of health issues, he would not be able to resume his role after the strike.
j1836 2 years ago
Oh - I remember that now. I'm glad he had as much control of the series he did - I mean, I'd like another Star Trek series on tv - but I don't think it would be the same - in fact I'm quite positive it wouldn't.
KryptoPal 2 years ago
Indeed there was a lot of influence. the second episode of TNG was called The Naked Now, based on the TOS ep, The Naked Time. Also in TNG's first season there were a lot of one off encounters with aliens and planets. I believe they were trying to make TNG different, but not too different from TOS so that people would like it.
doctorlinden 2 years ago
@doctorlinden Several of the episodes from the first two seasons of TNG were unused scripts from the cancelled "Star Trek 2" series. They proposed it but Paramount nixed it and the pilot was developed into ST: TMP.
acer3573 5 months ago
You're right, there were a lot of references to the old series at the beginning of the new one (Dr McCoy even appears in the first episode). And it was the only reference point they had at the time, so it's natural that they would use it as a source of inspiration.
ovigaming 2 years ago
That's true. I suppose it's easy to look back in hindsight and say what I say now - but at the time - there was nothing like the next generation. it really was ahead of its time - I guess I just mean that Gene's influence was really felt in the first two seasons and then after that not so much. . .
KryptoPal 2 years ago 2
I seem to remember reading a novel that basically states that Trelane was indeed a Q.....but it is NOT official canon. However, the very first time I saw Q on TNG, and I saw what the Q continuum was all about, Trelane popped straight into mind. How could he not?
I personally like to think of Trelane as part of the continuum....canon not allowing and all.
slitheen 2 years ago
The novel in question is "Q²" (or "Q Squared") by Peter David. Basically, in that novel, Trelane was a child Q that DeLancies Q had to baby-sit, and called on Picard for help.
Peter David portrayed Trelane as adult human in physical form, but a child in emotional development, as he was in the original series (though of course not revealed to be a Q in the original series). As a child, he needed equipment to boost his power.
All of this was made non-continuity by Voyager, with Q's son q.
COMALiteJ 2 years ago
I think you are thinking of the book "Q squared" where Q and Trelance show up on the Enterprise D together. Q is sort of his godfater
Roninedm 2 years ago
I'm surprised to hear the Delancie never talked to Roddenberry about the origins of Q.
So did Rodenberry give credit to the creator of the Trelane character when he wrote Q?
redwon23 2 years ago
he is SOOOOOO hawt.
DarqRemake 3 years ago 3
I remember a novel where trelane and q team up for some crazy reason, it was pretty damn fun
hisoj 3 years ago
Q Squared. Yes, that was my favorite ST book! Still is. :) I'd recommend it to anyone.
DJas118 3 years ago
Another great early Peter David novel involving Q (but not Trelane) is "Q-in-Law."
Picard's worst imaginable nightmare scenario, and it took Peter David to think of it and exploit it to the hilt.
Just imagine:
Q, •and• Lwaxana Troi, on the Enterprise-D at the same time!
Remember, at that time, Lwaxana was going through that Betazed menopausal phase in which her sexual drive was quadrupled! Given that we know that shes especially drawn to powerful men, guess who she latches onto?
COMALiteJ 2 years ago
I had my susspition about Trelane and the Q
vpfan31 3 years ago
when i saw that TOS episode i said to myself this character is very similar to TNG's Q character.
wagnerologist1984 3 years ago 4
It's the other way around.
commandox20 3 years ago
very true, but you see i had seen and was aware of the character "Q" before id seen this episode.
wagnerologist1984 3 years ago
Same here. That's why I got so excited when I saw "The Squire of Gothos". He has to be one of the Q. Just when Kirk thought he'd destroyed Trelane's sole source of power, he realized he was more powerful than he'd imagined. Very cool. I wish we'd seen more of this character, but at least Peter David explored a good deal of the idea that Trelane was a part of the q continuum. That really sated my hunger for more, I think.
DJas118 3 years ago
Wonderful!
Thanks for posting!
Sambaliten 3 years ago
Great video! I always thought there was some kind of connection between Q and Trelane. Thanks so much for posting!
Has anyone ever read Peter David's Trek novel "Q-Squared?" If not, I'd definitely recommend it, because I have, more than once, and the story has a lot of background on both characters.
KellyLCrutcher 3 years ago 4
Man, I haven't read that in years...but a great book if I remember. It just makes sense that these two characters would be brought together like that.
goisles 3 years ago
I always thought the coincidence of these two characters was really quite interesting. Thanks for posting this!
wanderkind0 3 years ago 2