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  • In some novels and fanfiction, Trelane is a member of the Q Continuum who was more Rogue and dangerous than Q himself.

  • Q should have saved data at the end of nemeses. And them look at Picard on the bridge and say "SUPRISE!!!"

  • I still think that one of the ST:TNG movies should've used Q as either a foe or an important plot character... Would've been interesting to see how a bigger budget would've handled the Q Continuum!

  • Q (John de lancie) is one my favorite characters in Star Trek

  • is trelane a q also? or was he

  • @locutus340 in one of the books it is pointed out that trelane was an infant q.

  • @ShellySummers you mean one of the first q's? not like a baby q?

  • @locutus340 He was the first appearance of a Q. Also he was a child Q.

  • @locutus340 Q-Squared it gives a bit of the story here.

  • From the original Star Trek episode, it looks like Gene Roddenberry wrote a story called, "Capt. Kirk meets Liberace".

  • This guy did one of the best characters of all the Star Treks. I would like to meet him in person someday.

  • One of the best characters of ST universe. Honestly, I can think only of Data, the EMH, Barclay and Spock who can compare to the awesomeness of Q

  • Read the (non-canonical?) Star Trek novel Q-Squared. It brings Trelane into the 24th century as sort of a ... well, I don't want to spoil it, but he and Q know each other.

  • DeLancie, "It's kind of carrying that baton through time. My contribution is to continue that idea that started, very possibly, with Trelane." And he did it quite well. That's all fans really want, you know. Is for the new generation to continue the idea. It's that simple, really.

  • He looks like a better looking Gary Schandling. Acts better too.

  • The first Next Generation episode introduced us to Q. Any half Trekkie at the time immediately recognized this as Trelane, I know I did :)

  • When I think of the Q my empression seems to go back to the episode from the original series with Charlie, and Charlie reminds me in some ways to how Amanda Q first started out before she came to grips that she was a Q.

  • Is Discord based off Q?

  • @Ragnark1 NO.

  • @Ragnark1 He is fucking Q in a different form.

  • @Ragnark1 I think he kind of is. But only because John is voicing him.

  • @Ragnark1 Lauren Faust is quoted as saying that she did base discord off of Q.

  • @Ragnark1

    Yes. Originally, Lauren Faust had conceived the character with Q as inspiration. An omnipotent prankster type character. When they were able to get John DeLancie to agree to voice Discord, however, the writers just said "to heck with it" and basically wrote Discord as Q.

  • @Ragnark1 Yes

  • DAMN BRONIES! I don't want to hear about fucking cartoon ponies on every video I watch. Neither Narutards nor Trekkies nor any other obsessed fans are so incessant. That show cannot possibly be so spectacular that it need consume so much of your life, and it ISN'T worth consuming mine over.

  • @waldoman7 Your salty tears are delicious

  • @TarielMaeda

    indeed! I must wonder if there is such a cruel motivation, because otherwise their behavior is inexplicable.

  • @Ragnark1 Indeed! Apparently Lauren Faust thought up the idea of Discord after watching a TNG marathon. :D

  • @Ragnark1: Yes, Discord is based on Q. In fact, the creators of MLP:FiM used Q as inspiration for Discord before they even knew they could get de Lancie to voice him. They thought he would be unavailable or too expensive, but he turned out to be available and affordable.

  • I could see that. :)

  • Trelane couldn't really be a Q, as he depended on that machine behind the mirror. A real Q wouldn't need that.

  • @jimbopumbapigsticks But as some have already said, even after Kirk shot the mirror and broke the machine, Trelane still had at least some of his powers. The machine may not have been the sole source of his powers, but perhaps some type of scanner or generator to augment his abilities.

  • @srp58704 But a Q wouldn't need that anyway, even a "young" one. Q Junior didn't need a machine to use his powers on Voyager.

  • @jimbopumbapigsticks training wheels of a sort, perhaps?

  • Maybe they actually were the same Q. Q was grown-up in TNG.

  • trelane and q are part of the q continum

  • Funny thing is, someone wrote a Star Trek book where Q met Trelane, while the Enterprise D was in the middle.

  • @porpus99 I remember reading the back cover. Q begged Picard to help him with Trelane because "He's driving me crazy!!" and Picard laughed in Q's face.

  • John DeLancie was awesome in Breaking bad. I love him as Q, but all around great actor

  • It's now cannon that Trelane is a Q.

  • @japstoryeditor No its not

  • @japstoryeditor

    Cannon: A large, heavy piece of artillery, typically mounted on wheels, formerly used in warfare.

    Canon: Official part of the mythos of a fictional world.

  • The first time I saw the Q it reminded me of Trelane so not a surprise he would compare them.

  • Wow, I am such a bad trekkie.. when he said in this case it was Gene, for a few seconds I was thinking who is Jean? Don't worry, I already slapped myself.

  • I didn't even think about this until I saw this. Trelane, or at least the way he is written and portrayed, is indeed a lot like Q.

  • I sorta see Trelane as a prepubescent Q and John's Q as a high school or college-aged Q. Loves to show off his knowledge, feels like he has some special privilege, and can seem like a completely irresponsible monster at times, but he does have a more developed sense of morality.

  • i cant NOT hate john de lancie. its nothing personal he just plays Q...and i hate Q...i know im supposed to hate Q and he does his job well to make me hate him. but i cant help but hate him. and he looks a bit like bill o'reily which just make me hate him more.

  • @tuseroni lol. When I first saw Encounter at Farpoint, I was truly taken by the character of Q. Even though I knew he was supposed to be "the bad guy" in that episode, I just couldn't hate him. :p I found him too interesting to hate. I knew even then that this "Q" would be a recurring character in the series. He was just too cool not to come back!

  • I am surprised there was no ultimate Q movie with a return of an adult Trelane.

    They were great characters.

  • Trelane was a child Q, at the end of the episode you see it, he has parents and they were not happy with his child-like actions. Also it was really funny when kirk slapped him a couple times near the end haha :D

  • WHERE DID YOU GET THIS INTERVIEW FROM??????

  • @startrekkin1701 it was on one of my tng dvds. i don't remember which season, though i think (i think) it was season 1.

  • @paulmr1983 Thanks!!!! :)

  • @paulmr1983 Says season 7 at the beginning of the video where De Lancie is introduced.

  • Q is Trelane! But the name had to be changed to avoid have to pay royalties to the written Paul Schneider. Just like T'pol was originally T'Pau, but changed so they would have to pay Theodore Sturgeon royalties.

    Star Trek and many other shows have been ripping off their writers for years like this.

  • Trelane was a "child". If you remember, at the end of the episode, his parents tell him to stop playing. And Kirk says that he was a nasty kid.

    Q is an adult, so ha can't really be compared to Trelane

  • I think Trelane was at least part Q but not full Q because he still need his mirror

  • @weinmj Remember Trelane is a child so his powers may not be full developed yet.

  • @Sailorsega true

  • when i saw that episode i immediately thought of q

  • Trelane and Q have a lot of characteristics not in common. For example, Trelane tells Kirk that he has a lot of admiration for the human species. Q states the opposite, that humans are a 'savage child race,' 'non-entities,' 'foolish,' etc.

    Trelane claims that his castle, etc., were built from pre-existing matter. In "Hide and Q," Q says that the 'pig soldiers' were created from nothingness.

    Lastly, the crew judged Trelane to NOT be 'all-knowledgeable'; Q has said that he is.

  • @terminat1 I know this is quite a late reply, but in the Voyager ep Death Wish, Quinn states that the Q are not omnipotent. In fact, it's also often hinted that they are not, in fact, all-knowing. They are just far more advanced than humans, so we don't understand how they do things. Also, Q is incredibly arrogant and theatrical. I really wouldn't be surprised if he fudged things a bit to make it look more impressive, so it's very possible that the soldiers were made from pre-existing matter.

  • @TarielOfLorien Q told Amanda Rogers that the Q can do 'anything we want.' On more than one occasion, Q has claimed to be omnipotent. So, it comes down to whether the testimony of a 'lifer' Q can be trusted, or whether the testimony of a disgruntled Q, who no longer wants to be a Q, can be trusted.

    Frankly, nothing in any episode has indicated that the Q are not omnipotent, OTHER than their lack of omnipotence concerning fellow Q.

    Trelane made an error with time, can you see a Q doing that?

  • @terminat1 It always appeared to me that Quinn could be more trustworthy, because he was disgruntled. At that point he wasn't trying to spare his fellow Q or hide any weaknesses they may have. His words were something like 'no matter what the Q would have you believe,.' I think a key episode in understanding the Q is 'Hide and Q' where Q implies that the human race will someday become like the Q, which seems more like technological advancement than becoming omnipotent. Also, Trelane was a child.

  • @TarielOfLorien Well, that's what happens when imperfect writers create a TV character. Clearly, there are contradictory statements about the Q. In "Hide and Q," Q was concerned that humanity might someday exceed the Q. But this is clearly not possible, if the Q are truly omnipotent. The best humanity could do is equal the Q.

    And what about Organians, Borg, Nagilum, Douwd, etc.,---beings that are all currently superior to humanity? Should they not also be able to someday exceed the Q?

  • @terminat1 Of course, if the Q were truly omnipotent, it would be impossible to exceed them. That's exactly what I mean. If Q was concerned that the human race would exceed the Q, they must not be truly omnipotent. As for other species, I hadn't thought of that, but many Q have stated what makes humans different is their curiosity and ingenuity. 'They roam over the galaxy searching for something they know not what.' The Borg do not have that, and we don't know who else the Q have approached.

  • @TarielOfLorien It's too bad that such a blatant contradiction is amongst the Q episodes, when there's only what, 12 of them?

    Technically, I just thought of this, humans can't exceed the Q, if Q has something to say about it. Q can easily slow human progress (or any other species' progress) to 1/1,000,000th the speed that they'd normally go, and so, instead of, say, exceeding the Q in 5 million years, they'd exceed the Q in 5 trillion years. Or, the Q could simply erase any race from existence.

  • @terminat1 So true about the contradictions, and I did notice that a fresh batch cropped up with the Voyager episodes.

    I start to wonder how much trouble Q would get in with the Continuum if he wiped an entire race out of existence. I mean, they turned him mortal for just wreaking too much havok for fun. But completely changing the cosmos? It's certainly worth thinking about.

  • @TarielOfLorien I wonder what the Q thought of the Douwd's extermination of the Husnock. Frankly, I'm kind of surprised that such action was levied against Q just for 'wreaking havoc.' Knocking planets out of orbit, changing Klingons into fish, and creating spatial anomalies could be fixed by other Q as easily as humans can erase a misspelling in pencil. It's nothing to them.

    Turning a Q mortal is basically the equivalent of putting a human into a deep coma. Punishment doesn't seem to fit.

  • @terminat1 I agree. Maybe there was more to it. Of course, Q would never admit he had done anything wrong, so we'll probably never know. But really, if you think of Q's dealings with the Enterprise, he got them into trouble, but he usually got them out of it. Or made them think some to get out of it. There was always a lesson to be learned, a mental barrier to be torn down, so it was ultimately a good association for the crew, albeit an irritating one. I wonder how he was with other species.

  • @TarielOfLorien The Enterprise did learn from Q's visits, especially learning about the Borg. Probably the 18 crewmembers who died indirectly at Q's hands would disagree that the association was a good one, but the others might concur. I think Q tormented other species. Even the Enterprise was tormented indirectly in "Q Who," and we know Q tormented the Calamarain. In "Deja Q," Riker says that 'protecting Q' would be a life-long mission (something like that), and this implies Q tormented many.

  • @TarielOfLorien In All Good Things it's implied that everything Q did to the Enterprise-D (except for maybe Deja Q and True Q) was a continuation of the "trial of humanity" he started in Encounter at Farpoint. His interest in Picard was purely due to the trial, and the deaths and disasters (and introduction to the Borg!) were ultimately in humanity's interest so they could, millennia from now, become like the Q.

    Voyager and DS9 were incidental run-ins (Vash, Quinn) and the aftermath of that.

  • @TimThomason agreed, Q really was acting AGAINST his peoples whishes by actually helping humanity. Had he not done what he did, mankind would have been destroyed by the Borg, AND Picard would have destoryed humanity without Qs helping hand.

  • @terminat1 Trelane was a child, so he didnt have the same attitudes as Q. and you and I are humans, but that doesnt mean we hold the same opinions about other races or species. Just because the CREW claim him to be not all-knowing doesnt mean that he wont become. And again, the pig soldiers thing, Q is all hubris, Trelane was simply explaining how they do what they do, Q was grand standing. Again, dont take things so literally when watching a show, use some outside reasoning.

  • @johnkerry7 You can make those claims, but I think that if we look honestly and objectively, then we have to admit that Trelane is probably not a Q.

    Also, we've never seen a Q go by a different moniker other than 'Q,' and living outside of the Continuum was not permitted (unless usage of the powers were restrained). You can argue that Trelane wasn't on the planet long, but there's no proof of that.

    Also, Trelane needed a machine, he was shown to be fallible, etc.

  • @terminat1 he did not need a machine. The "machine" gets destroyed early in the episode and you clearly see him use his powers. He even teases Kirk about Kirks foolishness to think that a machine is/was the only thing Trelane needed. And clearly Trelane was not using his powers the way he should have been because he gets punished by his parents at the end of the show. So there really is no reason to believe he is not a Q. and just because he was called something else is simple to explain because

  • @terminat1 the term Q wasnt coined until almost 20+ years later with TNG. Hell, even the canon of the shows timeline wasnt settled until much later, even the name the united federation of planet wasnt established until later in TOS. So to argue based on what the character was called is unfair as TOS came well before TNG has even been thought of. BUT you can do the opposite and look back at the Squire of Gothos for similarities BECAUSE TNG was made well after TOS, so any traits could have been

  • @johnkerry7 I'm sorry, I just think that Trelane made too many mistakes to be considered a Q. His created food and wine had no taste, and his fire had no heat. Q's baby son had already been taught how to knock small planets out of orbit, so why can't Trelane do something which should be much easier?

    Also, why aren't Organians, Metrons, Nagilum, Edo god, etc., considered Qs? All of these races 'toyed' with the Enterprise and yet nobody thinks they're at Q's level.

  • @terminat1 built upon from TOS.

  • Trelane used a machine to do his "magic", so in my eyes he's not a Q.

  • @racefan32 Kirk assumed that Trelane used a machine and then destroyed the machine. but Trelane still had his powers after that.

  • He shows them something so powerful and his way is simply the question for them, "do you want to be like me, also when I feel that you want to be like me all the time, do you really want to be like that. That joke you want to be." But when someone ever said yes to become a Q or to become a part of the Continuum, it suddenly changes to dead serious issues and you see that this joky childy behaviour is only something the chosen ones have to see through. It is to seperate the real from the fake.

  • And maybe because of that, they did not like to "be same funny as he is, being so powerful but suddenly being just like a joke", I think it is merely about that conflict in Q, to have that powers but still not being so powerful that he does not have to appear as a human, does not have to visit the people, has to teach and test them with his "games" and maybe that shall represent his fault in contact witht he humans, that he tried it this way and not the way of the old wise priest or mentor.

  • I could so listen to John De Lancie talk all day

  • Q is one of my favorite characters from the Star Trek TNG series. :D

  • Trelane being a juvenile Q would seem to make the most sense, judging by the fact that he had not yet manifested his races full arsenal of abilitys. He depended on his technology to some extent. The beings who came to retrieve him later (his parents) seemed to have put trelane on gothos as a punishment for his poor behavior.

  • Actually I remember some years ago reading one of the Star Trek novels, a TOS/TNG crossover which showed that Trelane was indeed a juvenile and renegade Q and the John DeLancie Q was his father. It was completely non-canon of course, but still fit pretty well.

  • I think this contributes to the reason atheists, and people like me, see God the way we do, because I always watched star trek as a young boy

  • Everytime I see Squire Tralaine (and now Q), I can't help but remember the superb Futurama spoof

    Fry: All this time we thought he was a powerful superbeing, but he was just a child

    Alien: He's not a child, he's 34!

  • The Squire of Gothos also has the best lines ever written for ST where Spock says I object to intellect without discipline I object to power without constructive purpose

  • @sondano I dont think I like your tone. Its quite challenging. Is that what your doing?Challenging me? SWEET episode.  I love the statues there, you can see an alien that was used in another episode.

  • Just finished Q squared a few days ago. It was really interesting...don't try to read it in more than one sitting though. Then it'll just get really confusing.

  • Q Squared was a good book.

    Read it, don't listen to it.

  • nice video.

  • i just listened to the audio book "Q Squared" read by John De Lancie and in it Trelane is a younger Q and John's Q is in charge of keeping an eye on him.

  • I like that book, very well made.

  • I read that! In fact, with my first paycheck I brought that very Book.

  • That's an AWESOME book!!

  • I got the text versionyears ago. Amazing story.

  • @sagaras76 Just remember, the novels are not part of the canon.

  • @TheManiacOnWheelsUSA

    Good point - neither is the new JJ Abrams film IMO.

  • @KIFulgore Paramount, the original copyright owner, stated that novels are not canon. However, anything on screen is.

    Therefore the new movie, and Enterprise (which was set 100 years too early based on what was stated in a previous series) are now part of the canon.

  • @TheManiacOnWheelsUSA

    That might be true, I do accept Enterprise, but a lot of fans (such as myself) choose to ignore the new film as part of the canon. We just consider it a reboot separate from the other 5 series regardless of what Paramount said. I guess the important thing is just to enjoy the story.

  • @sagaras76 I read the paperback; Peter David did a fantastic job of knitting two disparate ideas (Trelane & Q) into one believable concept.

  • @sagaras76 I always thought Trelane was a Q. It makes sense. I read and I think it might have been "Q Squared" that Q was Trelanes actual father.

  • @sagaras76 Interesting, John wrote a book called "IQ" and in that book the entity in ST:V from the 'M continuum' gets a very young Q in trouble and it explains how the 'ribbon' in Star Trek: Generations gets created and how and why the entity in Trek: V gets imprisoned in the center of the galaxy.

  • You know, I'm not sure, but I think I saw the guy who played Trelane playing a Klingon in The Trouble With Tribbles.

  • you did....William Campbell was the actor

  • It seemed to me that Trelane was a Q. He was omnipotent. I thought of Q as a child. When he doesn't get his way, he is mad, when he is about to lose he changes the rules. But where would any of the later Star Treks be without him? He was a perfect foil for Picard. He made DS9 interesting and then Q wanted Janeway to be the mother of his child was hilarious! I would have loved to see him show up just once in Enterprise, maybe the show wouldn't have flopped so hard!

  • Nah. Mr. "Jogathon Archaic" would just pace around, look angry/constipated, and yell at Q, like he did with every single person and alien he met on the show, his crew included.

    Q: HELLO! I'm here to do something!

    Johnny: I'm angry already for some reason. You have different opinions than me. Grrr. *paces back and forth*

    Yeah, I don't think even Q could have saved that show.

  • @3wiccan3 No, I would not say he is like a child, he is playing, he is acting, he is doing what he likes, he has his powers and knew that this is something very hard for others, as they actually really want same powers on their own (yet it is ST that they always say no, this and that, and the show had to go on like that) and for not being too "hard" sometimes he tries to bring that certain humor into the game, that "me better whatever man, can everything, but isn't that just funny, like a joke?"

  • @3wiccan3 You've misjudged Q. He may be arrogant, but there's always a higher lesson to be learned from him. He only appears to be misguided, there's usually a truer purpose the crew ends up learning. With the exception of the episode in which Q became human, that episode reversed the motif; In that episode Q learned the lessons, he was at the mercy of the Enterprise crew, etc, etc. In one way, Q is a lot like the character of the Traveler from TNG; Unconventional but knowledgeable.

  • @3wiccan3 yes it would have.

  • Am I the only one who gets the sense of Tom Hanks in a sci-fi version whenever I see/hear Mr. De Lancie. Seriously!

  • Not usually, but in this video where he's a bit older and wrinklier, I was definately getting a Tom Hanks vibe.

  • Tom Hanks meets Garry Shandling...no?

  • True true. :-)

  • lol for sure

  • Gotta love the Q's.

  • Q & John DeLancie was the best thing to happen to TNG. At 1st, he's judgemental & superior, then he's kind of Joker - ish, then he takes an almost anthropological interest in humans & allied species.

    The only thing wrong is that Q tries to lump all sentient species - Humans, Klingons, Romulans, etc. - together under the label Human. Kinda like taing America, France, Britain, Canada etc., & calling everyone " American ".

  • He Kind of looks like Tom Hanks and reminds me of him ..

  • Is it me? Or in the first season of TNG was there alot of influence by TOS? Not just Q's character but everything. . .

  • Wikipedia tells me that Gene Roddenberry had full control over the first season of the Next Generation, but due to a WGA strike, he had to let go. Because of health issues, he would not be able to resume his role after the strike.

  • Oh - I remember that now. I'm glad he had as much control of the series he did - I mean, I'd like another Star Trek series on tv - but I don't think it would be the same - in fact I'm quite positive it wouldn't.

  • Indeed there was a lot of influence. the second episode of TNG was called The Naked Now, based on the TOS ep, The Naked Time. Also in TNG's first season there were a lot of one off encounters with aliens and planets. I believe they were trying to make TNG different, but not too different from TOS so that people would like it.

  • @doctorlinden Several of the episodes from the first two seasons of TNG were unused scripts from the cancelled "Star Trek 2" series. They proposed it but Paramount nixed it and the pilot was developed into ST: TMP.

  • You're right, there were a lot of references to the old series at the beginning of the new one (Dr McCoy even appears in the first episode). And it was the only reference point they had at the time, so it's natural that they would use it as a source of inspiration.

  • That's true. I suppose it's easy to look back in hindsight and say what I say now - but at the time - there was nothing like the next generation. it really was ahead of its time - I guess I just mean that Gene's influence was really felt in the first two seasons and then after that not so much. . .

  • I seem to remember reading a novel that basically states that Trelane was indeed a Q.....but it is NOT official canon. However, the very first time I saw Q on TNG, and I saw what the Q continuum was all about, Trelane popped straight into mind. How could he not?

    I personally like to think of Trelane as part of the continuum....canon not allowing and all.

  • The novel in question is "Q²" (or "Q Squared") by Peter David. Basically, in that novel, Trelane was a child Q that DeLancies Q had to baby-sit, and called on Picard for help.

    Peter David portrayed Trelane as adult human in physical form, but a child in emotional development, as he was in the original series (though of course not revealed to be a Q in the original series). As a child, he needed equipment to boost his power.

    All of this was made non-continuity by Voyager, with Q's son q.

  • I think you are thinking of the book "Q squared" where Q and Trelance show up on the Enterprise D together. Q is sort of his godfater

  • I'm surprised to hear the Delancie never talked to Roddenberry about the origins of Q.

    So did Rodenberry give credit to the creator of the Trelane character when he wrote Q?

  • he is SOOOOOO hawt.

  • I remember a novel where trelane and q team up for some crazy reason, it was pretty damn fun

  • Q Squared. Yes, that was my favorite ST book! Still is. :) I'd recommend it to anyone.

  • Another great early Peter David novel involving Q (but not Trelane) is "Q-in-Law."

    Picard's worst imaginable nightmare scenario, and it took Peter David to think of it and exploit it to the hilt.

    Just imagine:

    Q, •and• Lwaxana Troi, on the Enterprise-D at the same time!

    Remember, at that time, Lwaxana was going through that Betazed menopausal phase in which her sexual drive was quadrupled! Given that we know that shes especially drawn to powerful men, guess who she latches onto?

  • I had my susspition about Trelane and the Q

  • when i saw that TOS episode i said to myself this character is very similar to TNG's Q character.

  • It's the other way around.

  • very true, but you see i had seen and was aware of the character "Q" before id seen this episode.

  • Same here. That's why I got so excited when I saw "The Squire of Gothos". He has to be one of the Q. Just when Kirk thought he'd destroyed Trelane's sole source of power, he realized he was more powerful than he'd imagined. Very cool. I wish we'd seen more of this character, but at least Peter David explored a good deal of the idea that Trelane was a part of the q continuum. That really sated my hunger for more, I think.

  • Wonderful!

    Thanks for posting!

  • Great video! I always thought there was some kind of connection between Q and Trelane. Thanks so much for posting!

    Has anyone ever read Peter David's Trek novel "Q-Squared?" If not, I'd definitely recommend it, because I have, more than once, and the story has a lot of background on both characters.

  • Man, I haven't read that in years...but a great book if I remember. It just makes sense that these two characters would be brought together like that.

  • I always thought the coincidence of these two characters was really quite interesting. Thanks for posting this!

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